Over in the Lesson they don't know. Do you?

When I google I only see this: https://m.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/396haf/did_tribe_called_quest_or_brand_nubian_ever/

So I'm not the only person curious.

In case you don't know about GP. It's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyKcZb5LufE

http://cypheravenue.com/a-tribe-called-homophobic-the-most-anti-gay-rap-song-ever-ever/

Did they issue an actual apology?

fuck you.

fcked up though...

I doubt they did, doubt they would.

Were there any songs/groups in the 90's that you just didn't rock with because they were vocal about their homophobia?



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

well, obviously b/c the 2 songs have the same beat.

'SB' might be their response to 'GP' being rejected by Jive.

the saddest part of this story is that JIVE had to refuse to release the song - the group didn't withdraw it after having thought better of it.

>fcked up though...
>
>I doubt they did, doubt they would.

i hope that's not true. Tribe is one of my favorites of all time.

>Were there any songs/groups in the 90's that you just didn't
>rock with because they were vocal about their homophobia?

dozens.

for example - i didn't buy Cuban Linx back then b/c of the abundance of 'faggot' on the album. i had forgot about that and i recently downloaded it. and then had to delete it. that's just one example.

fuck you.

>well, obviously b/c the 2 songs have the same beat.

HA, duh FLUIDJ!...lol.

>'SB' might be their response to 'GP' being rejected by Jive.

SB is a much better song too. And the message and everything had much more importance and weight and staying power. So damn, maybe we all owe Jive a big Thank You!

>the saddest part of this story is that JIVE had to refuse to
>release the song - the group didn't withdraw it after having
>thought better of it.
>
>>fcked up though...
>>
>>I doubt they did, doubt they would.
>
>i hope that's not true. Tribe is one of my favorites of all
>time.

I feel like they'd just brush it off on some "We've grown, and matured."

>>Were there any songs/groups in the 90's that you just didn't
>>rock with because they were vocal about their homophobia?
>
>dozens.
>
>for example - i didn't buy Cuban Linx back then b/c of the
>abundance of 'faggot' on the album. i had forgot about that
>and i recently downloaded it. and then had to delete it.
> that's just one example.

Something about Cuban Linx never clicked with me. I can't even put my finger on it. I know it's a classic, I KNOW it's considered one of the best hip hop albums of all times....but damn, I don't think i've ever even listened to it from start to finish...



"Get ready....for your blessing....."

fuck you.

damn, i've kinda missed getting SoWhat'd...


"Get ready....for your blessing....."

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This version of the song doesn't even sound mixed. It was never released for public consumption.

The song is discriminatory, but it isn't "Boom Bye Bye"....

The lyrics of the song are presented like they are talking about someone that they know. What happens if they are still grossed out by the thought of homosexual acts? What if they still don't have any homosexual friends? How do you word the apology then? Again, the song never came out.... where's the proof that it was solely the record label's choice to block the song?

Very few fans had ever heard this song prior to it being leaked on the internet. It wasn't circulating like that back in 1991.

the songs is trash and, as stated above, is a rough cut. also, everyone isn't with the gay shit. the song is a bit harsh and uncomfortable to listen to but no needs to apologize.

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fuck you.

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A track by the name "Georgie Porgie" was originally on the album, but was rejected by Jive Records for being "too homophobic". The track was rewritten as "Show Business", which was added to the album.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Low_End_Theory#Reception_and_influence

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>A track by the name "Georgie Porgie" was originally on the
>album, but was rejected by Jive Records for being "too
>homophobic". The track was rewritten as "Show Business", which
>was added to the album.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Low_End_Theory#Reception_and_influence

Did someone in ATCQ confirm that? This info was taken from something a Complex writer wrote.

wrote for Complex in 2013 as gospel. Where'd he get the information from? Did he get it from someone who worked at Jive? Did he get it from Tribe?

FOH...

the song was never released and even if it was so the fuck what.

unless they are trying to headline gay pride they dont need to apologize for views that may have changed over the last 2 decades.

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it doesnt matter if it was released or not, they did it!

especially seeing that it was originally ON THE ALBUM but was rejected by the suits.

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I don't do Twitter but i can try to reach them another way.

fuck you.

They're on IG too. Tip is on both as well but I know Ali and especially Jarobi will respond.

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fuck you.

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and i bet if twitter gets going they will kill this new album unless they apologize cause America

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Smells like Brand Nubian to me

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an entire song to them. which is weird to me. it's like he's obsessed with what he hates.

Not sure where Sadat stands today but on In God We Trust he had a few homophobic lines. Puba spit some recently. He didn't even come back to do Show Business which is how Diamond D ended up on it.

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>an entire song to them. which is weird to me. it's like he's
>obsessed with what he hates.


and you know what that means

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have grown from our casual homophobia from back in the day.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

90s hip-hop was super-masculine and pretty much everyone was raised to either think "I'm not with that gay shit" or "just don't bring it around me". That was the accepted mentality back then specifically within hip-hop.

I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that was the atmosphere back then so I'm not sure why this is surprising to anyone or why we can't assume 20 year old men grew up past that stage if they didn't continue that message afterwards.

And the fact this dude thinks he's owed a personal apology so *he* can continue to listen to Tribe is laughable.

>90s hip-hop was super-masculine and pretty much everyone was
>raised to either think "I'm not with that gay shit" or "just
>don't bring it around me". That was the accepted mentality
>back then specifically within hip-hop.
>
>I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that was
>the atmosphere back then so I'm not sure why this is
>surprising to anyone or why we can't assume 20 year old men
>grew up past that stage if they didn't continue that message
>afterwards.
>
>And the fact this dude thinks he's owed a personal apology so
>*he* can continue to listen to Tribe is laughable.

I'm not excusing it by any means.

I'm simply putting it in context of why no one should be surprised by this mentality from ANY hip-hop artist back then.

Because this was what was in their hearts. Late 80's early 90's or whenever. Its straight out hate. It doesn't matter what era one lives in, even a 100 hears ago. Its still hatred and ignorant. Those who derided certain folks were wrong back then as those who do it now. And from the beginning of time there were people around who refused to partake in such behavior(s). Basically, people BEEN knowing right from wrong. Context is a bullshit factor.

>I'm not excusing it by any means.
>
>I'm simply putting it in context of why no one should be
>surprised by this mentality from ANY hip-hop artist back
>then.
>
>

>Context is a bullshit factor.

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>>Context is a bullshit factor.

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Sound like the type of guy who would make a gay joke at age 20.

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>Sound like the type of guy who would make a gay joke at age
>20.


but not thinking and writing don several verses of homophobia to record on wax, deciding to do that instead of something else with the world as my oyster at the time

I didn't realize we had so many pristine individuals around here.

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>I didn't realize we had so many pristine individuals around
>here.

have to remind myself okp's shit dont stink.

whats funny tho is dude was outed for talking that bitch, hoe shit 10 years ago and the same people demanding an apology now were quicl to defend him on some "that was 10 years ago, people change"

and its true....

but those negros are hypocritical as fuck.

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i think thats where most of us stand on this...

but IMO what will an apology really do.

"sorry I was young and dumb"

thanks Tribe, now I can go back to playing your records.

FOH.

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>"sorry I was young and dumb"
>
>thanks Tribe, now I can go back to playing your records.
>
>FOH.

And like I previously said, apparently an apology isn't enough because SW himself said that he doesn't fuck with Common anymore even though the motherfucker apologized on record 14 years ago.

Moving goal posts depending on who he's trolling, of course.

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... better or more excusable than the ones others made IS high-horsing. So.

Context is important and it is not mutually exclusive with excusing the deplorable song they made. Both can be true. You can provide the context to help explain the thought process behind why Tribe may have felt they were OK to release a (disgusting) song like this at 21 years of age in 1991 and still find it inexcusable and abhorrent to make such a song.

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and I'll be that then..because at 21 Id never think of doing such or writing shit like that..even at 16. In a cipher etc

>... better or more excusable than the ones others made IS
>high-horsing. So.
>
>Context is important and it is not mutually exclusive with
>excusing the deplorable song they made. Both can be true. You
>can provide the context to help explain the thought process
>behind why Tribe may have felt they were OK to release a
>(disgusting) song like this at 21 years of age in 1991 and
>still find it inexcusable and abhorrent to make such a song.

People in their teens and early 20s very much so follow the crowd and are still searching for acceptance.

And as Brew already pointed out, your responses are very telling of what kind of youth you were.

But we already know it's always the 'holier than though' crowd that always has the most dirt in their past and usually present life.

>People in their teens and early 20s very much so follow the
>crowd and are still searching for acceptance.
>
>And as Brew already pointed out, your responses are very
>telling of what kind of youth you were.
>
>But we already know it's always the 'holier than though' crowd
>that always has the most dirt in their past and usually
>present life.

yall so perfect.

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It's one thing to be "casually homophobic" on some "don't talk about it around me, keep it to yourself" shit.
It's whole other thing to make a hateful song specifically targeting gays. Not just using homophobic slurs or anti-gay one-liners in lyrics like many 90s rappers did, but going all the way in on some "we hate gays" shit. You'd have to be actively homophobic to make song like this one. Like, "let's go and beat this faggot's teeth in after we finish this beer" level homophobic.

Maybe they don't feel that way at all anymore because they were really young when this was made. As disgusting as some things are, should we really be judged by things we may have ignorantly said while young?

This whole apologize thing is crazy too. Should I apologize for saying "yo mama" jokes on the school bus as a kid? No, we did dumb kid shit and got over it.

Meanwhile some people said some fucked up shit a few days to a year ago and ain't held to the same standards.

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>Maybe they don't feel that way at all anymore because they
>were really young when this was made. As disgusting as some
>things are, should we really be judged by things we may have
>ignorantly said while young?
>
>This whole apologize thing is crazy too. Should I apologize
>for saying "yo mama" jokes on the school bus as a kid? No, we
>did dumb kid shit and got over it.
>
>Meanwhile some people said some fucked up shit a few days to a
>year ago and ain't held to the same standards.



You're trying to be rational and most folks want an EMO war.


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had an unreleased song from 25 years ago and on it they were saying all kinds of racist stuff and using the N word, and that song came out now, even if they DID apologize we would be looking at them with a side eye. And we definitely wouldn't be accepting excuses for no apology because "they were young" or "it was a different time" or "they've grown now".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chd8VzL2soY

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