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"The True Detective post"


          

I'm fucking hyped for this. I'm glad Anthology series are coming back strong. Between this and American Horror Story, we need more anthologies.

Cary Fukunaga directs Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson in a dark, gritty crime mystery.

Fuck the Golden Globes. This is the only shit you should be watching tonight at 9pm on HBO.

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what are Anthology series?
Jan 12th 2014
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They are series that keep a genre but change every season.
Jan 12th 2014
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      .
Jan 12th 2014
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      What are other examples besides AHS?
Jan 12th 2014
7
           The Twilight Zone, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, The Outer Limits,
Jan 12th 2014
8
                ixnay on the scarya lol
Jan 12th 2014
11
                lmao. they used it when i was a kid, adults gossiping and shit
Jan 13th 2014
41
                aryscay
Feb 24th 2014
138
                Scarrier sounds like mineral water for ghosts.
Mar 25th 2014
287
                the shows you mentioned change every episode not season
Jan 12th 2014
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                     Yea, well the basic idea comes across.
Jan 12th 2014
14
I'll be watching
Jan 12th 2014
3
i wholeheartedly agree
Jan 12th 2014
5
*daps*
Jan 12th 2014
9
been waiting on this, looks good
Jan 12th 2014
6
got dvr set
Jan 12th 2014
10
I didn't realize this was an Anthology series.
Jan 12th 2014
12
i refuse to pay for HBO sooo ill have to wait nm
Jan 12th 2014
15
we got internet.
Jan 12th 2014
16
ill admit im intrigued. ill have to see what the hub bub is abt
Jan 12th 2014
18
Bin, you cheap bastard
Jan 12th 2014
19
      guilty as charged. but its a free hbo preview til 1/13 SOOOO
Jan 12th 2014
21
Wait, so Matty Mac and Woody are only in for one season?
Jan 12th 2014
17
In case you needed another reason to watch, Alexandra Daddario
Jan 12th 2014
20
Wow! This shit is dark and I did not see that last plot twist coming
Jan 12th 2014
22
This show was dope...
Jan 12th 2014
23
this is going to be good
Jan 12th 2014
24
what plot twist?
Jan 16th 2014
48
RE: The True Detective post
Jan 13th 2014
25
Wow. I didn't think of that.
Jan 13th 2014
26
      I think that's the obvious spin...
Jan 13th 2014
27
      Yea, that makes sense too.
Jan 13th 2014
28
      sounds like a good theory
Jan 13th 2014
29
      there's a lot of theories that could be made...
Jan 13th 2014
30
           yeah who knows but i'm all in
Jan 13th 2014
33
      I was thinking they suspect it's McConaughey.
Jan 13th 2014
32
      RE: I think that's the obvious spin...
Jan 13th 2014
43
      I took from it that Woody has been professionally successful.
Jan 13th 2014
31
It was really weird watching this show. It's like some of the scenes
Jan 13th 2014
34
i enjoyed the scenery
Jan 13th 2014
36
      yeah, it was great. Just a little surreal seeing places you know on
Jan 13th 2014
39
           pretty cool
Jan 13th 2014
42
                they really haven't gone deep yet. The coroner (who was also in Treme)
Jan 15th 2014
46
                     i used to work on oil rigs and flew out in Houma and Morgan City
Jan 15th 2014
47
As an anthology they are setting the bar high
Jan 13th 2014
35
LOL!!!
Jan 13th 2014
37
if this turns out to be as good as it seems
Jan 13th 2014
38
Levar Burton is a national treasure!!!
Jan 13th 2014
40
Other Seasons
Jan 13th 2014
44
that Spaghetti monster was someone in a ghillie suit
Jan 15th 2014
45
Here's what we do know:
Jan 16th 2014
49
OR...
Jan 16th 2014
50
      Yup!
Jan 16th 2014
51
when Mac slapped that one cop lol
Jan 16th 2014
52
Just finished episode 2 and this just keeps getting crazier
Jan 20th 2014
53
my fault, didn't see this.
Jan 29th 2014
54
Rust is going in:
Jan 29th 2014
55
I want Case One to watch this show lol
Jan 29th 2014
56
My only beef is that they don't give a good foil against Rust
Jan 29th 2014
57
      Woody was doing alright w/ "You still sound panicked"
Jan 29th 2014
58
           True. Woody's problem is he's great verbally but not in execution
Jan 29th 2014
59
           I think that's the point.. his philosophy is esoteric & idiosyncratic
Jan 29th 2014
60
           miserable truth >>>> blissful ignorance
Jan 29th 2014
61
                blissful ignorance comes with a girlfriend with fantastic breasts
Jan 29th 2014
62
                One day I'm gonna smash Alexandra. Hard. nm
Jan 29th 2014
65
                that is ENDLESSLY debatable
Jan 29th 2014
63
                     debatable sure. but that doesnt make it a good counterpoint
Jan 29th 2014
64
                          RE: debatable sure. but that doesnt make it a good counterpoint
Jan 29th 2014
66
                               TRUTH is what you get. and FUCK heaven
Jan 29th 2014
67
                               RE: debatable sure. but that doesnt make it a good counterpoint
Jan 29th 2014
70
Best first three episodes of anything ever.
Jan 29th 2014
68
basically. Only thing that comes close for me is GoT Season 1
Jan 29th 2014
69
I'm saying right?! And yo the way Episode 3 ends
Jan 29th 2014
71
i'll be pacing back and forth looking like homeboy at the end
Jan 29th 2014
73
      LOL!!!
Jan 29th 2014
74
i wanna call this overstatement, but i'm struggling to argue
Feb 04th 2014
76
they mentioned and described synesthesia
Jan 29th 2014
72
good read on the creator of True Detective (Daily Beast)
Feb 04th 2014
75
dope interview.
Feb 17th 2014
78
After the last episode, I got the same hype I had for Breaking Bad
Feb 16th 2014
77
Man....
Feb 17th 2014
79
this is my new favorite show
Feb 17th 2014
80
Yo both them bammas are courrpt.
Feb 17th 2014
81
the end kind of proved he didnt right?
Feb 17th 2014
82
i don't know if it proves it but i don't think he did it
Feb 17th 2014
83
Fuck I forgot about that last bit in the school. nm
Feb 18th 2014
99
i dont think
Feb 17th 2014
84
nah he's still a druggy
Feb 19th 2014
119
      i'm not saying he doesn't take them
Feb 25th 2014
159
I think it's shit like this that makes it seem too obvious for him to be
Feb 18th 2014
90
"Fuck Him. Good to see you commit to something".
Feb 17th 2014
85
yeah i laughed at that
Feb 17th 2014
86
yeah that was hilarious, the asshole in him has no chill.
Feb 18th 2014
106
OK, the post Episode 5 talk w/ Pizzolatto made my head explode (spoiler)
Feb 18th 2014
87
So do you think Cohle did it?
Feb 18th 2014
88
No way. It would suck if he did.
Feb 18th 2014
89
      Marty's gotta fit in the mix somehow. Too imbalanced otherwise.
Feb 18th 2014
91
           Yeah I think his kid is involved. I would also be cool with the idea
Feb 18th 2014
92
           His father-in-law is a part of the cult.
Feb 18th 2014
93
                and abused his daughter.
Feb 18th 2014
94
                That's my guess.
Feb 18th 2014
95
                     Of course, it could also be another, totally bugfuck suspect too
Feb 18th 2014
96
                          something happened with that girl
Feb 18th 2014
97
                               The show is great at foreshadowin/laying clues.
Feb 18th 2014
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                               Apparently that photo isn't as creepy as we non-Louisianans think.
Feb 18th 2014
100
                                    Read about the different towns events, seems pretty creepy to me
Feb 18th 2014
101
                                    That explains why they didn't put much stock in the photo
Feb 18th 2014
102
                                    Inattention is his weakness.
Feb 18th 2014
103
                                    its still 5 men on horseback
Feb 18th 2014
111
                that is my guess too n/m
Feb 18th 2014
115
The fact that he said that Chole wasted a whole day...
Feb 23rd 2014
121
Cohle said that though...
Mar 11th 2014
249
Brother Mouzone
Feb 18th 2014
104
The One Literary Reference You Must Know To Appreciate TD (link)
Feb 18th 2014
105
i think this is the key though
Feb 18th 2014
107
RE: i think this is the key though
Feb 18th 2014
108
The writer says Alan Moore inspired him to start writing.
Feb 18th 2014
109
      i've been meaning to reread "From Hell"
Feb 18th 2014
110
Thanks for the link. nm
Feb 18th 2014
112
dope read.
Feb 18th 2014
113
Good stuff man. Thanks.
Feb 18th 2014
117
I want to know whats in his storage unit
Feb 18th 2014
114
Guaranteed hella files/evidence
Feb 18th 2014
116
      for them to actually find as his plan I bet
Feb 23rd 2014
123
all i know is
Feb 19th 2014
118
My theory...
Feb 19th 2014
120
I'd be pissed.
Feb 23rd 2014
122
Tuttle died though from a drug overdose in 2010.
Feb 23rd 2014
124
      they haven't actually mentioned new muders though...
Feb 24th 2014
133
           aren't they "investigating" the new body they found
Feb 24th 2014
139
https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1902930_102024914277...
Feb 23rd 2014
125
Yo! I want that shirt!
Feb 23rd 2014
126
HA!!!!!!
Feb 23rd 2014
127
Rust and Hart are back in the saddle again.
Feb 23rd 2014
128
Yo this shit right here, though?
Feb 24th 2014
129
lmao!!!!
Feb 24th 2014
130
truth be told, she looks better than
Feb 24th 2014
131
haha!
Feb 24th 2014
132
Yooooo!
Feb 24th 2014
146
I called him fucking Marty's wife but not on here lol
Feb 24th 2014
134
this is where I'm at... been thinking same way
Feb 24th 2014
141
so, at the end....Hart is just being cautious right?
Feb 24th 2014
135
Their last interaction did end with them bloodied up
Feb 24th 2014
136
and he was just told some sht by the 2 new deteives about Rust
Feb 24th 2014
137
Nah, I think he was fully planning to kill him
Feb 24th 2014
140
      Nah, he had his chance in the OG scrap
Feb 24th 2014
142
      this really sounds like some far reaching
Feb 24th 2014
144
I read a theory today...
Feb 24th 2014
143
a lot of this makes sense but
Feb 24th 2014
145
I hate that theory. Would be very wack.
Feb 25th 2014
147
      Can someone explain to me what I missed about...
Feb 25th 2014
153
           It's just a theory.
Feb 25th 2014
156
                Gotcha. Thanks.
Feb 25th 2014
157
I'm just realizing the black detectives are "in" on framing Cohle
Feb 25th 2014
148
What's this shit about, though?:
Feb 25th 2014
149
lol i'm trying to imagine the person who saw this
Feb 25th 2014
150
      naw that picture is important...everything is important...
Feb 25th 2014
151
      so you noticed this when you were watching?
Feb 25th 2014
152
      Nope but does that matter?
Feb 26th 2014
167
           right? the show is called TRUE DETECTIVE
Feb 26th 2014
171
           it matters because you said we weren't paying attention
Feb 26th 2014
176
                exactly lol
Feb 26th 2014
178
      Yeah, I'm about 70% sure it's deliberate.
Feb 25th 2014
154
      It doesn't have to be oversight or laziness.
Feb 25th 2014
161
      its not a oversight
Feb 25th 2014
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           RE: its not a oversight
Feb 25th 2014
164
                lmao you really don't know much about tv and movie
Feb 26th 2014
169
      You want to take a bet whether that's is important?
Feb 25th 2014
155
      just someone with a good eye
Feb 25th 2014
158
its a good time to re-watch from teh beginning btw
Feb 25th 2014
160
i'm debating on whether to do it now or to wait til its over
Feb 25th 2014
163
i feel like i'm going into the last few eps better equipped
Feb 26th 2014
175
doing it this weekend.
Feb 26th 2014
179
Prediction:
Feb 25th 2014
165
nah they specifically call him "the tall man", not just fat.
Feb 26th 2014
168
The school Rust went to at the end had black stars in the broken windows
Feb 25th 2014
166
in the book, the King In Yellow oversees Carcosa, a place
Feb 26th 2014
170
      but we're not really "getting" the references either
Feb 26th 2014
172
      RE: but we're not really "getting" the references either
Feb 26th 2014
180
      I think the book is a MacGuffin.
Feb 26th 2014
173
Should we make a prediction post now or after this weeks ep?
Feb 26th 2014
174
1) go for it! 2) nobody cares
Feb 26th 2014
177
Just caught up and that tape looked like there was some real
Mar 04th 2014
181
.
Mar 08th 2014
182
they said marie was made into a human sacrfice on the tape
Mar 08th 2014
183
      damn nigga i did all that typin for nothing.
Mar 08th 2014
184
OKPs be serious about their shows.
Mar 08th 2014
185
Spoiler Alert :)
Mar 08th 2014
186
It makes me sad that it's over after tonight
Mar 09th 2014
187
Yo this one season is on"The Wire" status.
Mar 09th 2014
188
^^^ALL THIS.
Mar 09th 2014
190
it just might be
Mar 09th 2014
191
No. nm
Mar 09th 2014
192
It was good
Mar 09th 2014
193
lol...oh, its bwood who said this, no wonder
Mar 09th 2014
194
Of all things, I was touched
Mar 09th 2014
195
CoSign
Mar 10th 2014
197
yeah i loved it
Mar 10th 2014
199
i kinda think 'The Wire' is a horrible comparison
Mar 10th 2014
212
      Agree, I thought Twin Peaks from episode 1.
Mar 11th 2014
246
      LOL I meant terms of quality.
Mar 14th 2014
268
           okay, i still think it's a bad comparison.
Mar 25th 2014
283
I'd say the light is winning
Mar 09th 2014
189
Eh
Mar 10th 2014
196
Yea I'm with you.
Mar 10th 2014
198
need a regular season (13 episode) to get to that
Mar 10th 2014
200
I had the feeling that there was no way Pizzolatto could deliver
Mar 10th 2014
201
completely agreed
Mar 10th 2014
202
BTW, Who was the Yellow King?
Mar 10th 2014
204
      Who says he called it a day?
Mar 10th 2014
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      he didn't call it a day, he was still talking about it and
Mar 10th 2014
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      right...even after he was this close to fucking dying
Mar 10th 2014
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      dude definitely called it a day
Mar 10th 2014
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           nah, yall are exagerrating a bit
Mar 11th 2014
238
With you 100%
Mar 10th 2014
214
niggas looking for braille patterns on areolas 'n shit.
Mar 10th 2014
232
that is such a short sighted, what have you done for me lately...
Mar 10th 2014
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consistent with what turned out to be a
Mar 10th 2014
211
      bad writing. . .sheesh.
Mar 10th 2014
217
      you might be the only person in the world who thinks it was bad
Mar 10th 2014
220
      *sigh* YES bad writing
Mar 10th 2014
236
      if i write 100 pages
Mar 11th 2014
240
      some of the best writing i've ever seen...
Mar 11th 2014
239
           The writing in the finale was sorta weak, truth be told.
Mar 11th 2014
242
                i admit the finale had it's shortcomings...
Mar 11th 2014
244
                     yes bad writing
Mar 11th 2014
245
                          there is way more to writing than "resolution"
Mar 11th 2014
247
                               i waited thats all
Mar 11th 2014
248
                                    what did he drop the ball on?
Mar 11th 2014
257
And I'm fine with that
Mar 11th 2014
252
i already do
Mar 11th 2014
254
      There ya go sweetie
Mar 12th 2014
265
           aw i called you on your crap
Mar 25th 2014
285
yep
Mar 16th 2014
270
I wasn't disappointed, but I can see why some people were
Mar 10th 2014
203
bingo!!! it was never even about the case itself.
Mar 10th 2014
208
yes but you cant have 20 missing Russian mafia dudes missing
Mar 10th 2014
216
i think it's strange that people are complaining
Mar 10th 2014
209
these folks don't enjoy shit though
Mar 10th 2014
233
I didn't think it was full of teasers, red herrings, etc.
Mar 16th 2014
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      regardless what you think, it was
Mar 16th 2014
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           No it wasn't.
Mar 16th 2014
277
Rust always seemed like more of an American Spirt man to me
Mar 10th 2014
213
LOL.
Mar 10th 2014
215
my actual biggest beef with the show:
Mar 10th 2014
218
When Black cop said "White Man" I cringed.
Mar 10th 2014
221
      hey it was about Marty and Rust!
Mar 10th 2014
225
      That and the joke Hart tells his former colleague in the force
Mar 11th 2014
262
very interested where they will go next season.
Mar 10th 2014
219
RE: very interested where they will go next season.
Mar 10th 2014
222
its an anthology
Mar 10th 2014
224
i know what an anthology is. jesus.
Mar 10th 2014
226
      OKP reading is completely optional (c) Da Gawd
Mar 10th 2014
230
      you sure?
Mar 10th 2014
234
           ooooh burn. smh.
Mar 11th 2014
260
not much but here's a little info
Mar 10th 2014
228
yeah I see what you're saying...
Mar 10th 2014
229
the finale was great
Mar 10th 2014
227
how the fuck are niggas still asking who the yellow king was?
Mar 10th 2014
231
^^^^^
Mar 10th 2014
235
niggas is never satisfied b
Mar 10th 2014
237
      ^^^^
Mar 11th 2014
241
      agreed n/m
Mar 11th 2014
256
Mar 11th 2014
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      i thought the yellow king was the altar they found
Mar 12th 2014
266
My one complaint, and it was a big one
Mar 11th 2014
243
I attribute it to an alcoholic's moment of clarity
Mar 11th 2014
250
The way he described his daughter and father's warmth
Mar 11th 2014
253
RE: My one complaint, and it was a big one
Mar 11th 2014
251
He was in that "space" because he lost hist daughter...
Mar 11th 2014
258
They needed to 'finish' the humanization of Cohle
Mar 12th 2014
264
All of this. His story needed arc.
Mar 12th 2014
267
how is Rust's final definitive statement border-line agnostic?
Mar 25th 2014
278
      In Episode 3 (?)...in the revival tent
Mar 25th 2014
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           RE: In Episode 3 (?)...in the revival tent
Mar 25th 2014
284
here's my major issues with the criticisms
Mar 11th 2014
259
I enjoyed it am satisfied
Mar 11th 2014
261
Loved the show, ending was straight. Some of the epiphanies Hart &
Mar 11th 2014
263
I think the writer intended for them to solve the case by Accident
Mar 25th 2014
282
For those of you who didn't like it, please don't watch next season
Mar 14th 2014
269
^^^
Mar 16th 2014
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I'm saying right.
Mar 16th 2014
273
What about the maple syrup on the pancakes though?
Mar 16th 2014
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Mar 16th 2014
275
^^takes his toys and goes home^^
Mar 25th 2014
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      Once again, another incoherent lfresh post.
Mar 25th 2014
286
           Keep crying crybaby
Mar 26th 2014
289
                Man you are corny.
Mar 31st 2014
292
Wasn't expecting the deep nuance w/ the villain in the finale
Mar 25th 2014
279
Up
Mar 26th 2014
288
so, inbred imbecile/cult leading philosopher?
Mar 30th 2014
290
Just watched the whole thing this weekend.
Mar 31st 2014
291

thegodcam
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1. "what are Anthology series?"
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i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
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Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
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bwood
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2. "They are series that keep a genre but change every season."
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New characters, new stories, new location. Same genre.

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hardware
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4. "."
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7. "What are other examples besides AHS?"
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bwood
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8. "The Twilight Zone, Alfred Hitchcock Presents, The Outer Limits,"
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Masterpiece Theater

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CherNic
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11. "ixnay on the scarya lol"
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Yo do ppl still speak Pig Latin? I never quite learned (obviously)

  

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41. "lmao. they used it when i was a kid, adults gossiping and shit"
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i wanted to gossip when my daughter was a toddler and felt utterly ridic stringing together a pig latin sentence smh
so it's pretty safe to say that i'm off that



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138. "aryscay"
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287. "Scarrier sounds like mineral water for ghosts."
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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13. "the shows you mentioned change every episode not season"
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http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

#htpw

  

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bwood
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14. "Yea, well the basic idea comes across."
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3. "I'll be watching "
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.â€

  

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5. "i wholeheartedly agree"
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Definitely looking forward to this series - the possibilities are endless!


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bwood
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9. "*daps*"
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>Definitely looking forward to this series - the possibilities
>are endless!!!

They sure are. Lots of stories can be told this way.

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6. "been waiting on this, looks good"
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10. "got dvr set"
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12. "I didn't realize this was an Anthology series. "
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oh I'm super excited now.

  

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15. "i refuse to pay for HBO sooo ill have to wait nm"
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does it even matter?

  

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HBO for what?

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18. "ill admit im intrigued. ill have to see what the hub bub is abt"
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when them torrents touch down


does it even matter?

  

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19. "Bin, you cheap bastard"
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>
>does it even matter?

  

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21. "guilty as charged. but its a free hbo preview til 1/13 SOOOO"
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im in the house like a kid on punishment


does it even matter?

  

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17. "Wait, so Matty Mac and Woody are only in for one season?"
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Damn. They are my dudes.

Still hype for it anyway though.

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20. "In case you needed another reason to watch, Alexandra Daddario"
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will be showing her jammers. I've been waiting on that ever since Percy Jackson 1 (yes, it's a shit movie).

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22. "Wow! This shit is dark and I did not see that last plot twist coming"
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Gritty Southern fried noir. Matty's character is interesting to no end.

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23. "This show was dope..."
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Let me go into PTP to see if there is a thread there.

  

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24. "this is going to be good"
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that ending has me locked in.

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48. "what plot twist?"
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25. "RE: The True Detective post"
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Pretty good"

Love the little EdTV reunion they got going here.

Great role for Mac. U can see how much of a toll his character has taken over the years.

Woody's character appears to be still so put together in the "present". He's prolly the copycat.

  

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26. "Wow. I didn't think of that. "
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>
>Woody's character appears to be still so put together in the
>"present". He's prolly the copycat.

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27. "I think that's the obvious spin..."
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one of them the copycat (obviously being Woody since he's the more put together one).

My hypothesis...they caught the wrong person back in 95 or whenever. That person ended up in jail or dead (most likely dead). Matthew finds out later (around 2001 or so). he tries to make it right, woody is like what's done is done. that lead to them falling out. now the killings have started again, and they are like why when y'all claimed to catch the killer in 96.

  

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28. "Yea, that makes sense too."
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I bet it's someone we are gonna least expect.

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29. "sounds like a good theory"
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the only thing i wonder is if they would make it that easy to figure out in the first episode. we shall see.

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30. "there's a lot of theories that could be made..."
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i mean for all we know it could be a cult who sacrifices in a specific way (hence the devil catchers, the symbols on the body, the body placements).

I just picked my favorite but a lot of them raced through my mind...which is a good thing because I have no clue where it's going. the flaw in the one I picked is...why would the killer lay low for so many years? doesnt' make too much sense. which is why one of the cops being the killer doesn't make much sense to me either.

however, i'd rather much Matthew be the killer than Woody. It would make more sense given his outlook on life.

  

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33. "yeah who knows but i'm all in"
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can't wait to see what happens.

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32. "I was thinking they suspect it's McConaughey. "
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Hence all their interest on the personal aspects of McConaughey that Woody noticed they were asking.

Can't be the Woody is the killer. That's just too much. Your theory works. I am hoping though that the series has enough twist and turns that you are able to call the whole thing on the first ep.

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43. "RE: I think that's the obvious spin..."
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>one of them the copycat (obviously being Woody since he's the
>more put together one).
>
>My hypothesis...they caught the wrong person back in 95 or
>whenever. That person ended up in jail or dead (most likely
>dead). Matthew finds out later (around 2001 or so). he tries
>to make it right, woody is like what's done is done. that lead
>to them falling out. now the killings have started again, and
>they are like why when y'all claimed to catch the killer in
>96.

Whoa. Totally plausible as well.

I like the way you read between lines.

  

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31. "I took from it that Woody has been professionally successful."
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>>
>>Woody's character appears to be still so put together in the
>>"present". He's prolly the copycat.
>


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34. "It was really weird watching this show. It's like some of the scenes"
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in my backyard.

That cane field scene w/ the cops sweeping for evidence.

I've seen that shit.


Great 1st episode. I have to rewatch b/c I spent the 1st time trying to figure out where they were in each scene.

  

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36. "i enjoyed the scenery"
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39. "yeah, it was great. Just a little surreal seeing places you know on "
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a TV show that's not a documentary or cooking show.

  

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42. "pretty cool"
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Is the area similar to how it's portrayed? people wise I mean.

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46. "they really haven't gone deep yet. The coroner (who was also in Treme)"
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was the only 'authentic' Louisianan for sure. The lady at the house in Erath...maybe.

I'll reserve judgement for a few episodes. Where they were in that 1st episode is one of the most interesting places in the world... Acadiana.

pretty much all of south Louisiana, south of I-10 is like another country, but they really go hard in them Acadania Parishes:

bouchiries, Courir de Mardi Gras, Rougarou, fais do do

...all that shit would probably scare the hell outta somebody who just happened upon it.


Technically, where I grew up is Acadania too, but I consider the parishes west of my home (around Lafayette) to really be Acadania.

I said all that to say, I'm really interested to see how they portray my people.

  

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47. "i used to work on oil rigs and flew out in Houma and Morgan City"
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i was in SHOCK the first time i laid eyes on that area

man
if i was a single guy
if LOVE to go back to work off shore

  

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35. "As an anthology they are setting the bar high"
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If they come back next story arc with like Judd Nelson and LeVar Burton, I'll cancel my HBO...

  

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37. "LOL!!!"
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38. "if this turns out to be as good as it seems"
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other good actors will be up for doing next season.

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40. "Levar Burton is a national treasure!!!"
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44. "Other Seasons"
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I'm wondering if the other seasons will continue with the whole Southern Gothic vibe, or if it will be completely different like LA, NYC, suburbia, etc.

  

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45. "that Spaghetti monster was someone in a ghillie suit"
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im willing to bet
the killer was watching someone near the woods while wearing a ghillie suit

some little girl spotted him and he chased her

  

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49. "Here's what we do know:"
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- Cohle and Hart's partnership lasted 8 years, meaning this case does not break them up. They may hate each other, but they're with each other another eight years from this case.

- Cohle's career faded to black, Hart's apparently kept going.

- No one's seen Cohle for almost ten years (8 years off the grid)

- They eventually crack the case, or at the very least save a bunch of children (Cohle's 'Hero moment' mentioned in the deposition) and send someone to jail.

- Cohle has some very strong feelings who the copycat is, or at least suspicion. I bet it's one of the kids they rescue. Whoever they rescued would be in their twenties at the time of their deposition.

- Cohle ain't no pessimist. He's a fucking nihilist.

  

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50. "OR..."
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It isn't a copycat. Maybe, they never caught the original killer. It's possible they did make an arrest in 95, and the killings stopped, but it wasn't the actual killer...and Rust knows that.

  

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51. "Yup!"
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Bet you the actual killer's the governor's cousin, or someone related.

  

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52. "when Mac slapped that one cop lol"
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"say it again"

"ya know what...fucccck you" lmao

  

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53. "Just finished episode 2 and this just keeps getting crazier"
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The fact that they still manage to make the characters richer by each passing minute after last week's episode is crazy.

These cats' obsession with the case is gonna bring them down to their knees.

I gotta watch it again cause there is so much going on.

IMO, both Rust and Martin are unreliable narrators. They both seem to be lying/hiding shit.

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54. "my fault, didn't see this."
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55. "Rust is going in:"
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"Transference of fear & self-loathing to an authoritarian vessel is catharsis. He absorbs their dread with his narrative. Because of this, he is effective in proportion to the amount of certainty he can project. Religion is a language virus that rewrites pathways in the brain, dulls critical thinking." -Rust Cohle

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56. "I want Case One to watch this show lol"
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>"Transference of fear & self-loathing to an authoritarian
>vessel is catharsis. He absorbs their dread with his
>narrative. Because of this, he is effective in proportion to
>the amount of certainty he can project. Religion is a language
>virus that rewrites pathways in the brain, dulls critical
>thinking." -Rust Cohle
>
>-->
>
>Breathe through the nose
>keep the mouth closed.
>Through the blood
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57. "My only beef is that they don't give a good foil against Rust"
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>"Transference of fear & self-loathing to an authoritarian
>vessel is catharsis. He absorbs their dread with his
>narrative. Because of this, he is effective in proportion to
>the amount of certainty he can project. Religion is a language
>virus that rewrites pathways in the brain, dulls critical
>thinking." -Rust Cohle

He's just nailing in those 3 point shots.

  

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58. "Woody was doing alright w/ "You still sound panicked""
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Making the practical point of religion subtly. "How good is your 'truth' if it makes you miserable?"

That's a hard point to argue.

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59. "True. Woody's problem is he's great verbally but not in execution"
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>Making the practical point of religion subtly. "How good is
>your 'truth' if it makes you miserable?"

Since his life is as screwed up as Cohls. Although seeing the current versions of them looks like its showing you who won in the end..the guy staring in the abyss because he knows or the guy fucking up but hoping for the best.

  

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60. "I think that's the point.. his philosophy is esoteric & idiosyncratic"
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to most - particularly many religious folks.
It turns them off and angers them, but they don't
know quite know why.

There's a mysteriousness to it as well which is drawing
viewers in - and then there's also the universal law appeal
to Cohl, who has hinted as that being his authority a couple
of times. I hope they develop that part of his character.

Although seeing the
>current versions of them looks like its showing you who won in
>the end..the guy staring in the abyss because he knows or the
>guy fucking up but hoping for the best.

definitely. That seems to be how they are setting it up -- and for Cohl, a sense of 'knowing' doesn't bring him any more comfort, particularly when that sense of 'knowing' isolates him from
virtually every person around him.


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61. "miserable truth >>>> blissful ignorance"
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62. "blissful ignorance comes with a girlfriend with fantastic breasts"
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and I usually don't geek off things like that.

  

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65. "One day I'm gonna smash Alexandra. Hard. nm"
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63. "that is ENDLESSLY debatable"
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and you can remove some of those ">"

  

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64. "debatable sure. but that doesnt make it a good counterpoint"
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66. "RE: debatable sure. but that doesnt make it a good counterpoint"
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There wasn't a good point to counter. What does get out of miserable truth? Smug self satisfaction? Isolation? And, if you're entirely taking Cohles stance, you don't even get to go to heaven in the end.

  

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67. "TRUTH is what you get. and FUCK heaven"
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this is all in the context of "good foil against Rust"

if ive found my LIGHT?

my TRUTH?

then ive weighed and accepted the good AND bad of that truth

trying to find good foil against that will only piss YOU off, not them

there is no "good foil against Rust"
as we see he is completely comfortable in his truth

look at what he's been reduced to
look at what already been taken away

the only thing a blissfully ignorant person can do with a miserable person consumed in truth is plug their ears and walk away

  

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70. "RE: debatable sure. but that doesnt make it a good counterpoint"
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>What does one get out of
>miserable truth?

They would have to know the truth to find out, wouldn't they?

*scary music*

But I don't think what's miserable to him is the truth, rather
his disgust seems to be at what the world around him is unable
to perceive, and that makes him miserable. A lonely truth.


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68. "Best first three episodes of anything ever."
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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69. "basically. Only thing that comes close for me is GoT Season 1"
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71. "I'm saying right?! And yo the way Episode 3 ends"
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pisses me off we gotta wait 2 weeks for what's next...

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73. "i'll be pacing back and forth looking like homeboy at the end"
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of ep three until episode 4 airs.

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74. "LOL!!!"
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That shit's lieable to get you locked up in the Asylum yo

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76. "i wanna call this overstatement, but i'm struggling to argue"
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the other side...

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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72. "they mentioned and described synesthesia"
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that wins so many cool points with me!

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75. "good read on the creator of True Detective (Daily Beast)"
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/04/inside-the-obsessive-strange-mind-of-true-detective-s-nic-pizzolatto.html

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78. "dope interview."
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i really appreciate how he doesn't give away any of the story.

  

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77. "After the last episode, I got the same hype I had for Breaking Bad"
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Got something to look forward to on Sunday nights again

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79. "Man...."
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that was a mind fuck of an episode....I'm all in....

GREAT writing.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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80. "this is my new favorite show"
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81. "Yo both them bammas are courrpt."
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Granted I can't really blame them given the circumstances, but still...

Y'all think Chole did it or is just still obsessive with the case.

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82. "the end kind of proved he didnt right?"
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83. "i don't know if it proves it but i don't think he did it"
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99. "Fuck I forgot about that last bit in the school. nm"
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84. "i dont think"
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>Granted I can't really blame them given the circumstances,
>but still...
>
>Y'all think Chole did it or is just still obsessive with the
>case.

it was Cohle (he was looking at those sticks not like he made them but like he wants a closer look at them if he made them...he wouldnt need a closer look like that)

i think hes on to whoever is though and when Marty said he got a closer look at those detectives that was it for me
Rust suspects someone close to the investigation and in power
i dont think Rust since that first time he lost his family has been as deeply lost at the dept or Marty thinks
deeply undercover sure
lost in drugs and etc?
nah
something about losing his family gave him clarity on this other crap and an obsession with work that takes him out of whatever drugs give different addiction i say
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119. "nah he's still a druggy "
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he had no reason to take the drugs from the truck stop prostitute (specifically the 2nd time as he'd had all the info he needed off her)

he may not be full downward spiral druggy but he clearly has no aversion to them and some desire

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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159. "i'm not saying he doesn't take them"
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i'm saying he isnt lost in them
yeah he could get a prescription of ambien and abuse the crap out of it so he could get some sleep
but thats a paper trail
this way he kills two birds with one stone

he has a higher priority obsession/addiction and thats this case
if he had to choose between the two i guarantee he'd choose the case
as long as they dont interfere and he stays on track
(in his world) he thinks hes good

i'm with you in this world
its best to stay off everything

but i can see how for him this is something he does so he can maintain focus on his primary goal the case
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90. "I think it's shit like this that makes it seem too obvious for him to be"
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... the real killer:

http://s28.postimg.org/c5d2p0kzx/19g0muwhze5ocjpg.jpg
Notice the yellow crown over his head = Yellow King


>Y'all think Chole did it or is just still obsessive with the
>case.

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85. ""Fuck Him. Good to see you commit to something". "
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Best line of the night.

I think we can safely say Cohle isn't the killer. What we see and the black cops don't see is Kohle actually working those cases they are trying to pin on him.


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86. "yeah i laughed at that"
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great line.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.â€

  

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106. "yeah that was hilarious, the asshole in him has no chill. "
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87. "OK, the post Episode 5 talk w/ Pizzolatto made my head explode (spoiler)"
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I almost always avoid listening to writers talk about their works but the tv was running but Pizzolatto pointed out something that made me go Oh shit Cohle is a genius.

Of course we know that Cohle is a master of interrogation and it was implied that the purpose of the interview was so that Cohle could learn what the detectives had figured out that he hadn't figured out investigating on his own.

However, Pizzolatto pointed out that because Cohle was drinking the whole time nothing that Cohle said could be used against him to incriminate him for the crime because any statement given by a suspect who is administered an intoxicant by an interviewing officer would be inadmissible in court. I am a lawyer and was mad as fuck I didn't pick up on that.


I also think he is trying to say something with the men that he carves out of the tin cans. Looks like the same setup the little girl did with the dolls.



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88. "So do you think Cohle did it?"
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89. "No way. It would suck if he did. "
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There have been too many scenes of Cohle working the case alone that would make no sense if he did it so if it turned out that he did it then it would mean the show is cheating. Or it would have to be some crazy ish like he has split personalities and has created the perfect case in which he is the suspect and the detective. That's too crazy and corny.

Naw I go with the simple answer that he is working the case on his own and is doing it outside of the police because he thinks they are compromised.


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91. "Marty's gotta fit in the mix somehow. Too imbalanced otherwise."
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92. "Yeah I think his kid is involved. I would also be cool with the idea"
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that Marty knows he is still on the case.


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93. "His father-in-law is a part of the cult."
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94. "and abused his daughter."
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along with four other guys.

um.

i think.

  

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95. "That's my guess."
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96. "Of course, it could also be another, totally bugfuck suspect too"
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97. "something happened with that girl"
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they bet not end this without explaining that photo and that girl
cause...


nah thats one bit i dont want left hanging
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98. "The show is great at foreshadowin/laying clues."
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You know where things are going just before they explicitly articulate them on the show (e.g., they suspect Cohle is behind the killings). It's cool they can do this without being labeled predictable.

The show is also good at misdirection (e.g., the girls climbing the tree for the crown).

Put that together and I don't know what going to happen.


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100. "Apparently that photo isn't as creepy as we non-Louisianans think."
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101. "Read about the different towns events, seems pretty creepy to me"
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102. "That explains why they didn't put much stock in the photo"
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that makes sense.

I stil wonder why Marty didn't ask any questions when his daughter staged a rape scene with their dolls.


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103. "Inattention is his weakness."
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111. "its still 5 men on horseback"
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and one little girl

much like the barbie doll scene his daughter set up

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115. "that is my guess too n/m"
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121. "The fact that he said that Chole wasted a whole day..."
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...trying to figure out what exactly the detectives had that could help him solve the case now makes me doubt he did it.

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249. "Cohle said that though..."
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..."What, you want this to be admissible?" or something like that when he asked for the beer.

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104. "Brother Mouzone"
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why am i just realizing Detective Gilbough is played by the same guy who played Brother Mouzone
Michael Potts
5 episodes in and i didn't recognize him at all

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105. "The One Literary Reference You Must Know To Appreciate TD (link)"
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http://io9.com/the-one-literary-reference-you-must-know-to-appreciate-1523076497

Universal knowledge? Cosmic horror? Crowley? OcculTrill? All the makings of mad-making on OKP -- but glad to see some provocative metaphysical discussion happening in a very entertaining manner, even if it is accented with deep nihilism.

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107. "i think this is the key though"
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>but glad to see some
>provocative metaphysical discussion happening in a very
>entertaining manner

if it was an Alan Moore-esque show that was about the occult on its face, i think people would have trouble swallowing it or taking it seriously. but the fact that it's real life with the occult creeping-in from under the carpet is really intriguing (to me anyway).

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108. "RE: i think this is the key though"
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>if it was an Alan Moore-esque show that was about the occult
>on its face, i think people would have trouble swallowing it
>or taking it seriously. but the fact that it's real life with
>the occult creeping-in from under the carpet is really
>intriguing (to me anyway).

Agreed. In True Detective, the metaphysical gems are tucked into the narrative very precisely, and timely. While it may be the most intriguing element to the series, each episode still only spends approximately 5-10% of its time (at most) actually delivering metaphysical content, but those moments are executed so well that it has the viewer very intrigued and in anticipation for the next Cohle gem....

Whereas with Moore, the occult content *is* the entertainment in and of itself - instead of a sub-plot, and that doesn't work as well for the majority of viewers.




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109. "The writer says Alan Moore inspired him to start writing."
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(and Grant Morrison).

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110. "i've been meaning to reread "From Hell""
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Moore is a legend

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112. "Thanks for the link. nm"
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113. "dope read."
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117. "Good stuff man. Thanks."
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114. "I want to know whats in his storage unit"
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116. "Guaranteed hella files/evidence"
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However, probably will look like a serial killer collecting shit to the outside yes

  

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123. "for them to actually find as his plan I bet"
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>However, probably will look like a serial killer collecting
>shit to the outside yes

  

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118. "all i know is"
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i hope this doesn't turn out to be another 'lost'

i can see a few angles though:
-the police chief
-the father-in-law
-the daughter and whatever clique she's running with

they could be acting alone or all in one.

and i hope that it's not cohle.


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120. "My theory..."
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Tuttle...

the guy from episode 2 is the Yellow King

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122. "I'd be pissed."
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Too predictable.

I'm hoping he's a red herring or peripherally involved.

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124. "Tuttle died though from a drug overdose in 2010. "
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So it can't be him.

*well he could be the yellow king but he's not the killer.

  

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133. "they haven't actually mentioned new muders though..."
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not explicitly with detail anyways

also, i think Cohle killed Tuttle during his disappearance

i dont think that was an "overdose"

I also think that's what the 2 new cops are actually investigating

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139. "aren't they "investigating" the new body they found"
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the one of the lady hanging high up off the grown like a pinned up angel? when they showed him the picture he speaks on how this could happen if they got the murderer in 95/96?

an assumption can be reasonably made that the body they found was found recently.

obviously they are suspicious of Cohle in regards to Tuttle but Cohle has been seen around other murder scenes.

Murderers always come back to the crime scene right...that's the belief among many.

i still hold onto the belief that the yellow king and the murderer(s) are not the same ppl in these cases. There is always a leader. the yellow king is the leader.

  

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125. "https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1902930_102024914277..."
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https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1902930_10202491427779948_106847645_n.jpg

  

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126. "Yo! I want that shirt!"
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127. "HA!!!!!!"
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Tanya Morgan March 2014 Tourdates
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128. "Rust and Hart are back in the saddle again."
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I think Hart's oldest daughter is wrapped up in it somehow.

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129. "Yo this shit right here, though?"
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https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1/q71/s720x720/1779721_10201373114080683_1598237708_n.jpg

*Jews you*

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130. "lmao!!!!"
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>https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1/q71/s720x720/1779721_10201373114080683_1598237708_n.jpg

  

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131. "truth be told, she looks better than"
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the Grammys

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132. "haha!"
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now go runtelldat, ho.

  

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146. "Yooooo!"
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What the blood claaat???

  

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134. "I called him fucking Marty's wife but not on here lol"
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Cohle let Marty hit him a few times without really fighting back...he barely threw punches...he redirected him a few times...

that scene looked very real imo...that initial spear move marty did was epic, lol

i don't think my theory is far off i just think it's much more to it...

i think they are investigating Tuttle's death thinking Rus did it (which i agree with)

only 2 more episodes...i can't see a bizarre twist coming maybe more of a "that's fucked up" type of finale...basically i'd be surprised at being extremely surprised

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141. "this is where I'm at... been thinking same way"
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that the answer is not as twisted as we think it could be...

I do HOPE the lawnmower man is not the main guy though, and I also just hope we get some sort of explanation about the daughter


@rob_starrk

  

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135. "so, at the end....Hart is just being cautious right?"
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i don't think that he now thinks that Cohle is involved, he's just being cautious just in case. i'm talking about when he pulls his gun out.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.â€

  

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136. "Their last interaction did end with them bloodied up"
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Better safe than sorry...

  

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137. "and he was just told some sht by the 2 new deteives about Rust"
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>Better safe than sorry...

  

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140. "Nah, I think he was fully planning to kill him"
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The whole man's price for a man's game at the beginning, and knowing he could fully get away with it with what he knows about how the current administration feels about Rust. Then obviously he sees something on that video that brings him back into the fold. I don't think he for one second believes Rust has anything to do with the murders.

  

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142. "Nah, he had his chance in the OG scrap"
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>The whole man's price for a man's game at the beginning, and
>knowing he could fully get away with it with what he knows
>about how the current administration feels about Rust. Then
>obviously he sees something on that video that brings him back
>into the fold. I don't think he for one second believes Rust
>has anything to do with the murders.


If he didnt really give a fuck and was ready to just kill him - he coulda done it in 2002. Instead they purposefully show Hart leaving the gun and his ring in teh drawer -- cause I think he knew if he took those things he wouldve felt the urge to use them.

I think their fight in front of the chief was staged. There was tension but they wanted to see where the chief was at. I mean their style of arguing throughout wasnt that juvenile. (I mean they were throwing middle fingers back and forth at each other like middle schoolers). That was all a show to the chief to get him to see there was beef. Then Cohle fucked Hart's wife and shit really popped off. I think Hart knows some of what Cohle is investigating, so theyre in it together (albeit with some tension). But he knew that day in 2002 that if he took his gun and ring there woulda been a lot more damage, and he didnt wanna kill Cohle, cause he knows what Cohle is working on.


BTW we all think Cohle took it easy on Hart because of his guilt right? I mean he ended up fucking him up with the toss but from what we've seen of Cohle and how scared Hart usually is around him, Cohle shouldve fucked Hart up virtually unmarked. He definitely let Hart get licks in cause he felt guilty about fucking his wife and knew he was wrong.


So tuttle is involved as one of teh rich guys--but he's not teh guy and the yellow king, right?

Im feeling anxious about what this Yellow King looks like. Going back to the short story description and how scared people are of him. Im expecting some freaky shit.

I wonder if Cohles story about the car accident killing his daughter and divorce is real.

Im guessing its fake (when he told he story back in episode 2 it still seemed like what they were telling the detectives was true). Bit looking back--- we know Cohle is deeply fucked up about some shit. He sees ghosts. Something bad like what happened to these girls happened to his daughter and maybe his wife --- that's why he's so involved. Also the fact that dude that Woody blasted said he had seen him before....

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144. "this really sounds like some far reaching"
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no offense

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143. "I read a theory today..."
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that Marty is in on it.

That's why he was resisting Rust from day 1, why he shot dude in cuffs (to keep him from talking), why he refused to give credence to Rust pursuing the case in 2002, why he stopped Rust from talking to the lawnmower man, etc.

Also could explain the daughter's barbie doll gang rape diorama, and why Marty pulled his gun at the very end of that last episode.

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145. "a lot of this makes sense but"
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Was that scene where Marty throws up supposed to show us that he can't really handle violence? He's also said he's never shot a gun up until he blasts that one dude. I mean I guess he could be involved without doing the killing.

>that Marty is in on it.
>
>That's why he was resisting Rust from day 1, why he shot dude
>in cuffs (to keep him from talking), why he refused to give
>credence to Rust pursuing the case in 2002, why he stopped
>Rust from talking to the lawnmower man, etc.
>
>Also could explain the daughter's barbie doll gang rape
>diorama, and why Marty pulled his gun at the very end of that
>last episode.

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147. "I hate that theory. Would be very wack."
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I pretty much think at this point that any major "Twist" or "Reveal" would be cheesy and out of line of how the show is progressing. Among the cheesy reveals possible that I think would ruin the show are:

1. Marty being in on the conspiracy.
2. Marty and Russ being in cahoots all along.
3. Rust being the killer.

All these twist require cheats by the storyteller and contradict things that we have already seen. We've seen nothing to date that suggests that Marty is cold and calculating enough to be part of a huge conspiracy or even handle being in cahoots with Rust all along. I'll admit I liked that theory at first abotu rust and marty being in cahoots, but episode six deaded that and showed us that their relationship did actually fall apart in an almost irreparable way. We've also seen Rust investigating the case so it would require some cheating to make him the killer.

I am hoping the show hews closer to reality than spins off chasing some crazy gotcha moment.

The fact is this story is exceptionally conventional. Two cops that don't get along. One a master detective chasing that one case that he has never been able to solve. Complete with a screaming superior demanding his gun and badge.

What sets this show apart isn't the surprises but masterful storytelling.

If this show progresses as it has to date, I think it has laid out the groundwork that a close compadre of the governor, tuttles, has been boinking kids and governor covered it up. The conspiracy also involves Marty father-n-law who was molesting his daughter.

I am cool with that being the basic story.



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153. "Can someone explain to me what I missed about..."
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Marty's father-in-law molesting his daughter? When was this revealed? I TOTALLY missed this if this isn't just a theory being tossed around.

You're the second or third person I've seen mention this so I'm just curious. Thanks.

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156. "It's just a theory."
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There is a lot to suggest that the daughter was molested and he is the easiest target as to who did it.


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157. "Gotcha. Thanks."
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148. "I'm just realizing the black detectives are "in" on framing Cohle"
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I also have a suspicion that the mean-looking uniformed officer that's always lurking is gonna eventually have a bigger part in this thing.

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149. "What's this shit about, though?:"
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Peep the photo on the bedroom wall: http://imgur.com/cvRO1FF

Peep the mural at the nut hut: http://imgur.com/a/l0Z01

...

Could be just a lazy set designer, though.

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150. "lol i'm trying to imagine the person who saw this"
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and what kind of obsessive frame by frame watching it must have taken to catch it.

interesting, but i'm not going to lose sleep reading into it at this point. my money is on it just being a set design thing.

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151. "naw that picture is important...everything is important..."
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you can't make a story like this which is so hell bent on the little details and then be lazy on the design front. if they were lazy they would have used a stock photo, a basic ass framed picture from anywhere...because they had to have painted that room...who says i saw this and i'm do the same pic cuz I'm lazy?

nah.

it's important detail.

y'all really not paying attention. just like hart didn't.

  

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152. "so you noticed this when you were watching?"
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167. "Nope but does that matter?"
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the writer is banking that someone who pays attention to detail will catch it. my friend caught it before this was even posted here. and told me to pay attention to the pictures/artwork/drawings...

I JUST went back and re-watched the earlier episodes. its a lot I (personally) missed.

  

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171. "right? the show is called TRUE DETECTIVE"
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if i named my show that, EVERYTHING would be significant

  

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176. "it matters because you said we weren't paying attention"
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as if you noticed it lol

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178. "exactly lol"
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154. "Yeah, I'm about 70% sure it's deliberate."
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But it's also possibly an oversight or lazy shortcut.

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161. "It doesn't have to be oversight or laziness. "
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It's not at all something that affects the quality of the show and coincidences do happen.


I mean do we also think this has deeper meaning?

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162. "its not a oversight"
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set designers put too much work into their job for this to be an oversight
you would have to shoot that wall and frame it
on the other side someone painted that wall

lets even say they used a property that already contained that painted wall
and there was a framed picture of it handy...someone still had to hang up that picture on a different set on a different day

jury is out on whether its important to the plot for me though

could be the set designer was given direction on making crazy connections to mess with the audience
dunno i'm in wait and see mode
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164. "RE: its not a oversight"
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>lets even say they used a property that already contained that
>painted wall
>and there was a framed picture of it handy...someone still had
>to hang up that picture on a different set on a different day

Or it could be just a very common print found in that area.

I doubt they painted that wall. I think it's just a location. I would also bet that they found props like art at stores and thrift shots near the location.

I think it could even be intentional because it would mean less artwork to clear to use the same non-descript pattern.

What I am saying that even if intentional from a filmmakers perspective, what possible significance could it have to the story?



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169. "lmao you really don't know much about tv and movie "
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set designs?
and you know less about this show.

You think that design is common?

It just happened to be on the wall so they left it. They just so happened to have a painting with the same design so they used it? These people are stupid, silly, or lazy. The writing is too layered for them to be so lazy as to not pay attention to set design.

Why weave such an intricate story and be lazy on set design? esp with a painting that's not so common to the rest of the world? This is the thing...a lot of the paintings/artwork/drawings are placed in the setting to give you a clue. Y'all stay overlooking things...because everyone is just like Marty.

They don't pay attention and think it's just coincidence or laziness not knowing they are laying out the whole story for you.

  

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155. "You want to take a bet whether that's is important?"
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158. "just someone with a good eye"
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when you are used to taking in visual information regularly
its reflexive at a certain point


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160. "its a good time to re-watch from teh beginning btw"
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right before the penultimate ep
you catch a LOT.

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163. "i'm debating on whether to do it now or to wait til its over"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.â€

  

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175. "i feel like i'm going into the last few eps better equipped"
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but to each

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179. "doing it this weekend."
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cuz i read these posts i'm like, "fuck, how am i not seeing all this shit?"

  

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165. "Prediction:"
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the fat castrato who toured with those holy rollers

"Some bloods cut his balls off. Messy."

Giant scarred man = him.

It would make his rape doubly horrific: there is no sexual release, just power and insanity.

  

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168. "nah they specifically call him "the tall man", not just fat."
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166. "The school Rust went to at the end had black stars in the broken windows"
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The school Rust went to at the end had black stars in the broken windows and the outside walls was of a forest. The pan out had Rustlooking at the twig formation as if he was in the forest. Check it out guys, maybe that's of some significance since maybe LeDeux was speaking of the school as metaphor

  

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170. "in the book, the King In Yellow oversees Carcosa, a place"
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where "black stars" rise and shine.

but you know...

someone told me the book wasn't important but if you never read the book, how would you get the references that Ledoux and several other ppl make in regards to the killer? granted this isnt the main storyline apparently (to some) but is it not still relevant?

  

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172. "but we're not really "getting" the references either"
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we pretty much just know that they're references, and what they're referring to. but the King in Yellow text hasn't provided any actual insight into where the plot of this story is going.

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180. "RE: but we're not really "getting" the references either"
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I agree and disagree. The book helps with the references, because now you know where the references are coming from. if you go back and watch the shows again, you will see black stars all over the place. the book tells you what black stars represent. rdhull brings up the school which has writing (carcosa) and stars on it. could this be the dwelling of the yellow king? NOTE: The abuse Coehl is researching happened at the schools that Tuttle helped to build up. easily one could say the yellow king (the abuser) hurt kids in Carcosa (schools) were the black stars shine (symbolic like the cross). i don't think the book is necessary for this connection but i think one could have made it sooner. "he dwells there", ok the schools are were he abuses and kills kids. i mean to be honest, when the camera pans back from Coehl when he first visits the school, was I the only one who got the feeling that it's meant to imply that someone was watching Coehl look through the things?

Now does it tell you where the story is going? nope. But i think it gives insight on the framework of the killer(s)/cult.

This is all my theory. i could be wrong. but i think a lot of ppl are here now.

>we pretty much just know that they're references, and what
>they're referring to. but the King in Yellow text hasn't
>provided any actual insight into where the plot of this story
>is going.

  

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173. "I think the book is a MacGuffin."
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It's what's in Jules and Vincents Briefcase in Pulp Fiction. Plot device that has no consequence with regards to the storytelling.

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174. "Should we make a prediction post now or after this weeks ep?"
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Theories are all over the place and I want one clean post for predictions so that everyone can acknowledge that I called it.



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177. "1) go for it! 2) nobody cares"
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181. "Just caught up and that tape looked like there was some real"
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fucked up shit going. And from Hart's reaction, it sounds like it was...

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182. "."
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183. "they said marie was made into a human sacrfice on the tape"
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she dead
poalazetto or however u spell it said it after the ep aired

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184. "damn nigga i did all that typin for nothing."
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185. "OKPs be serious about their shows. "
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186. "Spoiler Alert :)"
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I kid I kid

  

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187. "It makes me sad that it's over after tonight"
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We need more gritty, grimey, gutter noirs like this.

If HBO was smart, they would release it in black and white on Blu-Ray.

This season has been better than 90% of most shows there entire run.

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188. "Yo this one season is on"The Wire" status."
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I've never been that satisfied with an ending with anything ever. That last scene is acting 101. And Cary directed the fuck outta this episode. The photography was top notch in this episode.

The rest of this series has a lot to live up to. Hopefully it'll take place in a city next season.

We need more noir!!!

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190. "^^^ALL THIS."
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191. "it just might be"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.â€

  

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192. "No. nm"
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193. "It was good"
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But not quite TV gold. Maybe silver. There were some tried and true plot thigs going on. But I loved Marty and Risy's relationship

  

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194. "lol...oh, its bwood who said this, no wonder"
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>I've never been that satisfied with an ending with anything
>ever. That last scene is acting 101. And Cary directed the
>fuck outta this episode. The photography was top notch in this
>episode.
>
>The rest of this series has a lot to live up to. Hopefully
>it'll take place in a city next season.
>
>We need more noir!!!

  

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195. "Of all things, I was touched"
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I've been intrigued, amused, angry, frightened, disturbed, disappointed with these guys. But damn if their friendship didn't have me in tears at the end.

  

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197. "CoSign"
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199. "yeah i loved it"
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and i wasn't expecting everything to be solved and tied together.

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212. "i kinda think 'The Wire' is a horrible comparison"
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even though I've heard it a lot.

they're both great shows and both about crime. other than that, i don't think they compare very well at all.

'Twin Peaks' seems like a better comparison, even though it's a coupla decades old now.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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246. "Agree, I thought Twin Peaks from episode 1."
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268. "LOL I meant terms of quality. "
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Thought that was pretty clear .

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283. "okay, i still think it's a bad comparison."
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unless the comparison is "both of these shows are good!" which is a pretty boring comparison.

how do you compare the quality of a 5 season ensemble masterpiece to 8 episodes of a great show that's 95% 2 characters?

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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189. "I'd say the light is winning"
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196. "Eh"
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Turns out it was nothing more than a buddy/cop show

Excellent cinematography
Excellent acting
The writer though eh
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198. "Yea I'm with you."
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That was a disappointing finish, IMO. There was so much promise and opportunity built into the first 7 episodes. The last could've been mind-blowing or anti-climatic and it was the latter. The acting was excellent and the story was interesting but it ultimately ended without tying anything together like I was hoping it would.

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200. "need a regular season (13 episode) to get to that"
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>That was a disappointing finish, IMO. There was so much
>promise and opportunity built into the first 7 episodes. The
>last could've been mind-blowing or anti-climatic and it was
>the latter. The acting was excellent and the story was
>interesting but it ultimately ended without tying anything
>together like I was hoping it would.

  

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201. "I had the feeling that there was no way Pizzolatto could deliver"
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to meeting the hype that was built up in the first 3 or 4 episodes. And it's not even a diss on him. When you got people certain that the re-use of floral patterns in different scenes HAD to have meaning, there is no way a finale could satisfy people who were looking for that much meaning in the show.

There are two things that I did feel somewhat disappointed about:

1. They totally abandoned the conspiracy all the way to the top story angle. Rus and Marty really don't give a shit that folks in high places were never implicated in this? A scene of them at least trying and getting shut down should have been in there.

2. I wanted more from the clue that would break the case wide open. Green ears from painting? I think the interesting thing is ultimately they probably interpreted the clue wrong. The ears were probably not green from paint but probably law mower head phones.


Oh yeah, I was also disappointed that the black cops would end up having their head up there ass so much. Now I know what the women were complaining about with the characterization of women on the show.



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202. "completely agreed"
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>to meeting the hype that was built up in the first 3 or 4
>episodes. And it's not even a diss on him. When you got
>people certain that the re-use of floral patterns in different
>scenes HAD to have meaning, there is no way a finale could
>satisfy people who were looking for that much meaning in the
>show.
>
>There are two things that I did feel somewhat disappointed
>about:
>
>1. They totally abandoned the conspiracy all the way to the
>top story angle. Rus and Marty really don't give a shit that
>folks in high places were never implicated in this? A scene of
>them at least trying and getting shut down should have been in
>there.
>
>2. I wanted more from the clue that would break the case wide
>open. Green ears from painting? I think the interesting thing
>is ultimately they probably interpreted the clue wrong. The
>ears were probably not green from paint but probably law mower
>head phones.
>
>
>Oh yeah, I was also disappointed that the black cops would end
>up having their head up there ass so much. Now I know what the
>women were complaining about with the characterization of
>women on the show.


to the last sentence but #1
as obsessed as Rus was? letting all those other dudes go?
as stubborn as he showed himself still to be getting out of that chair to walk in the end
but he's going to let that cabal go?
talking about we got "our" dude?
um...not really you got A dude

and yep that floral pattern thing is on the money
i wasnt sure it had anything to do with the plot
but i knew it was not an accident
thats when i started having suspicions that they (everyone from the set designers to the actors) where doing things just to muddle and mis-direct
its the writers job to clarify, stay consistent and wrap it up

he did none of these because apparently everyone else got carried away with what was apparently a buddy/cop show

and was busy trying to calm everyone down before it became an huge let down

i mean the writer "just wanted to tell a story"
but yes all writers do
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204. "BTW, Who was the Yellow King?"
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To be honest I don't think it was clear that it was lawnmower man. It just as easily could have been his father or his grandfather.

Anyway, I don't need a story neatly wrapped up. I just need characters to act consistently. I think it would be inconsistent that Cohle would obsess over something for decades and then call it a day.


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205. "Who says he called it a day?"
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Just like it didn't wrap everything up neatly, it also leave things up in the air as to where the characters go from here.

Maybe Cohle heals up and goes on to pursue the remaining folks in the video...

  

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207. "he didn't call it a day, he was still talking about it and "
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Marty remarks "we cant' get them all."

but it was still on Cohle's mind.

  

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223. "right...even after he was this close to fucking dying"
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and in a coma, he mentions that it still bothered him. i don't know what else ppl would want from this.

  

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210. "dude definitely called it a day"
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>To be honest I don't think it was clear that it was lawnmower
>man. It just as easily could have been his father or his
>grandfather.



yup

back to the five men
the videos



>Anyway, I don't need a story neatly wrapped up. I just need
>characters to act consistently. I think it would be
>inconsistent that Cohle would obsess over something for
>decades and then call it a day.

agreed
Rus and the writer called it a day
folks are making excuses
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238. "nah, yall are exagerrating a bit"
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Rus clearly realizes they didn't get them all...

but you clearly have Rus confused...

He had a clear mysterious target to obsess about...The Yellow King...Carcosa...the fact that he knew so much about him and his deeds but couldn't unmask him is what drove him...

it wasn't what was done to the kids and so forth that motivated nor was it rooting out all the evil or conspirators...

he rooted people out to unmask The Yellow King

he did that...and he wanted the others who helped conceal the Yellow King responsible but knew that that was practically everyone surrounding the situation

Prime example...look what they did to the sheriff...

He wanted to know whether or not he covered up the Marie Fontaneau shit or if he just followed chain of command but he knew there was little way to tell exactly they knew or what they suspected...

Rus wanted the information...he really didn't care about the dumb asses, the greedy folks, and the bootlickers who enabled the crazy people that were doing shit...

also note he didn't care about unmasking ANYONE else involved in those videos...way more than just Carcosa...

I personally think it was very well written...the floral pattern shit is just part of art direction and have no idea why anyone is calling it a misdirection just bc they want to be right on it's purpose in the various shots...

they left some things...untouched but i think that makes it more realistically written

My man's is in a coma...and people are hungry for the next episode even though it's supposed to be over

way more than a buddy cop show...this aint fucking lethal weapon: 6 - Bayou's Eve

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214. "With you 100%"
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>There are two things that I did feel somewhat disappointed
>about:
>
>1. They totally abandoned the conspiracy all the way to the
>top story angle. Rus and Marty really don't give a shit that
>folks in high places were never implicated in this? A scene of
>them at least trying and getting shut down should have been in
>there.

This is my biggest gripe. Like, this was what Cohle ended up QUITTING HIS JOB about and they just left it hanging? That was a huge storyline that I also feel like got left hanging.


>2. I wanted more from the clue that would break the case wide
>open. Green ears from painting? I think the interesting thing
>is ultimately they probably interpreted the clue wrong. The
>ears were probably not green from paint but probably law mower
>head phones.

Yea I didn't think of this til you just wrote it but you're right. Seemed kind of ... anticlimatic.

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232. "niggas looking for braille patterns on areolas 'n shit."
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looking for meaning in floral patterns?!? LMAO

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206. "that is such a short sighted, what have you done for me lately..."
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reply.

  

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211. "consistent with what turned out to be a"
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short sighted show


it was about their relationship
so answers arent needed

cop out for bad writing
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217. "bad writing. . .sheesh."
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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220. "you might be the only person in the world who thinks it was bad"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.â€

  

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236. "*sigh* YES bad writing"
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http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/10/3381971/true-detective-failed/#

http://www.pajiba.com/tv_reviews/how-the-true-detective-finale-demonstrated-that-its-great-smallscreen-cinema-but-lousy-literary-tv.php#.Ux5p_uddVcc

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/03/the-disappointing-finale-of-true-detective.html

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2014/mar/10/true-detective-season-one-finale-recap


and finally
http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/the-failure-of-true-detective/

The fact that the internet is full of defenses (or at least quasi-defenses) of the “True Detective” finale today is a testament to the show’s genuinely extraordinary qualities — direction, acting, atmosphere, and (sometimes) writing. But I’m afraid it’s also a testament to the human will to believe, often in defiance of the evidence, and reading the various apologia for the way the detective drama finished up I’m inclined to channel the show’s nihilist-hero’s harsh words about religion: “You gotta get together and tell yourself stories that violate every law of the universe just to get through the day? What’s that say about your reality?”

Spoilers to follow.


The story that’s being told today by the finale’s partisans is that ending a mystery story that didn’t just hint at but actually depicted a large-scale, decades-long, cult-driven conspiracy to rape and murder dozens (if not hundreds) of women and children by having the detective-heroes chase down and kill a single inbred psychopathic serial killer, leaving the rest of the conspiracy basically untouched and every other plot strand dangling, was actually somehow the best way to be true to the show’s spirit. Maybe because the story was always supposed to be about the characters rather than the actual investigation (this is basically the “Lost” defense); maybe because audiences somehow made a big mistake focusing on the “window dressing” to what was supposed to be a linear, get-your-man plot; maybe because “True Detective” wanted to show how particular evils can be defeated even as capital-E Evil, represented by the cult and the conspiracy, necessarily continue; maybe … well, there are plenty of stories out there if you want to feel good about how the show finished up.

But as Rust Cohle would say, “if the common good’s gotta make up fairy tales then it’s not good for anybody.” Look: ”True Detective” was many things — many brilliant things, let me stipulate — but it was still, at heart, a mystery story. And if you tell a mystery story, the way you solve the mystery matters to the success of your art. And then, more specifically — if you tell a story in such a way that the audience knows the mystery is sprawling and capital-B Big (and not in an internet obsessive sense of “knows,” but in the sense that the show’s creator concedes, explicitly, that there are actually at least ten men involved in the murders, not one) while dropping clues that suggest still more complexities and entanglements, and then you shrink the resolution to something smaller, a single scapegoat, while supplying no new information whatsoever about the conspiracy that your heroes were obsessed with — well, then you’ve made your whole story smaller, less interesting, and less important than the architecture of the first seven episodes suggested that the audience should think.

I tried to get at this in my own pre-finale post, but I think Andrew DeYoung, also writing before the finale aired, zeroed in on the issue better than I did:

There’s a popular idea floating around … that the identity of its killer doesn’t really matter. Essentially, that the solution to the mystery around which the show revolves is insignificant, a sort of MacGuffin that provides an occasion for the story that takes place around it, but which itself fades into nothingness when you look at it directly.

The truth is the opposite: in a narrative constructed around a mystery, that central mystery, if anything, takes on an outsize importance, one that threatens to blot out everything else. On some level, the only thing that matters in a mystery story is the last chapter. You may think that’s unfair, but it’s just the way the genre works, and if Nick Pizzolatto is a crime writer worth his salt, he understands the nature of the high-stakes game he’s playing.

And here’s De Young’s elaboration on how that game works:

about the ideal structure of a mystery story … holds that in a mystery there are essentially two kinds of plot: an apparent plot and a revealed plot. The apparent plot is everything that happens up to the final chapter of the story—it’s what seems to be the case, what is immediately apparent, until the very end. The revealed plot is what really turns out to be the case after all the mysteries have been revealed. In a really good mystery, one with real existential stakes like True Detective, the difference between these two kinds of plots isn’t just mechanical, it’s interpretive. It isn’t just about who-appears-to-have-dunit and who-really-dunit. It’s about what it all—the world, good and evil, women and men, family, justice, society, the truth at the heart of humanity—really means: what it seems to mean when we’re wandering in the darkness, and what it means when we come out into the light.

Another theory holds that what the structure of a mystery is really about is story and discourse, signifier and signified. The mystery, in its opening chapters, posits the existence of a coherent, meaningful story: the body in the woods, the blood spatter, the knife in the grass, the partial footprint. But the story is hidden, its meaning obscured. The narrative that proceeds from this point is not, itself, the story—it is, rather, discourse, the system of talk and empty signification and endless deferment that surrounds the story, like planets orbiting a star that can be glimpsed only glancingly, never directly. The story, usually, is revealed in the final chapter, but the story that preceded the story—the story of the detectives finding clues, signifiers throbbing with a meaning that lay just outside their grasp—that wasn’t the story.

Their story, the detective’s story, was merely the construction of a story.

So what the finale’s defenders are basically saying, in their “it’s about the characters/journey/themes” arguments, is a combination of two responses to De Young: Either that in this case the apparent story was good enough to overcome a partial, unsurprising, insufficient reveal, or that in this case the apparent story/construction of the story was the real story, and we should recognize that the reveal was essentially irrelevant to what “True Detective” were interested in doing.

And I can buy these arguments as a justification for still liking the show after its finale. (I still do!) But they aren’t arguments that justify the finale itself. Because for all the strengths of its apparent story, all the pleasure of the Harrelson-McConaughey story-construction project, “True Detective” still played by genre rules and built up genre expectations: The clues were clearly supposed to add up to something, the witnesses weren’t all red herrings, and the investigation into the underlying conspiracy was built up throughout as real, and important, and meaningful, in ways that justified audience investment in its resolution. This wasn’t a “Big Lebowski”-esque shaggy-dog gumshoe parody or a Paul Auster-esque deconstruction. This was a story about actual crimes (fictional, yes, but real in the world of the show) perpetrated by actual people whose actions clearly did add up to a rich, complicated, and horrific revealed story — or would have, if the show hadn’t copped out and left that story mostly unrevealed instead.

And to be clear: Saying the show needed to reveal more is not the same as saying that it needed to have its heroes put everyone involved in the Carcosa/Yellow King cult behind bars. Far from it! Great mystery stories often end with the bad guys getting away with it. But they don’t usually end with the audience sort-of/kind-of knowing who the bad guys are, but not really, because actually we didn’t even meet most of them, and we know they have some kind of pagan cult, but we don’t really know exactly why they were killing people, or why two killings were public and dramatic and the rest were covered up so well nobody even knew they happened, or whether half the clues the story dropped pointed to anything or not, or why or why or why …

The plot of “True Detective” felt, at times, like a hybrid of two famous 1970s-era mystery movies, “Chinatown” and “The Wicker Man” — the former a great film in every sense, the latter a lesser, somewhat-sillier work but still a cult classic. Like “Chinatown” it was a story about an investigation that widens to encompass an entire landscape of corruption, with financial, environmental and familial/sexual elements blended in a toxic stew. Like “Wicker Man” it was a story about a police inquiry that leads to the discovery of a pagan cult that dabbles in some form of human sacrifice. Neither of those two movies, significantly, have anything like a happy ending; indeed, their endings are vastly darker than the last scene of “True Detective,” and their crimes go essentially unpunished (so far as we know). But they both have endings that actually reveal something: They throw a fresh light on what’s happened previously, expose the story-behind-the-story, reveal the essential who/what/why, and weave the various clues dropped along the way into something that surprises/shocks but also makes sense of what’s come before.

It’s this kind of fulfilling/surprising finale, not some “Sixth Sense” twist (Rust Cohle was Cthulhu all long!) or tidy “all bad guys go to jail” triumph, that I — and De Young, and lots of other people — was hoping for from “True Detective.” That it didn’t offer one doesn’t make the performances or direction any less remarkable, or retrospectively transform the show as a whole into “Lost”-style long con. But if you want to play at the “Chinatown” level, as “True Detective” clearly did, you have to respect the standard, and not just rationalize away a final act that fell obviously short.

...
yes folks thats bad writing
which sucks because all of the other elements of the show delivered
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240. "if i write 100 pages"
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and people are yelling GREAT WRITING until page 99...

bad writing simply means "i didn't like the ending"

so the apologia you are referring to is not a reflection of the writing but to dissatisfying "closure"

i can't run out of book titles to think of with dissatisfying endings that are considered CLASSICS

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239. "some of the best writing i've ever seen..."
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u dissatisfied with where it went? cool

this shit was probably the most well-written show i've ever seen and i'm not calling it the best tv show...but it's DEFINITELY video literature

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242. "The writing in the finale was sorta weak, truth be told."
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It's forgivable because IN TOTAL the writing in the series was great. But the finale itself had a lot of shaky shit.

The stretch, leap, somersault and roll between a green house and green ears.

That wtf Cary Grant shit that didn't make sense and was just weird for the sake of saying, 'this nigga weird.'

That 'villain gets shot from behind at the last second by incapacitated opponent' cliche being used AGAIN.

Cohle's philosophical 180 because he saw loved ones near death (another cliche). That kinda change would be a lot more gradual, but they needed to hammer a happy ending into place instantly.

Finale was like a real good Criminal Minds ep. I still dug it, but it wasn't 'perfect' at all.

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244. "i admit the finale had it's shortcomings..."
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the finale felt more rushed than anything else...

and the cliche stuff was being fairly true to the genre

but to say the writing in the series sucked just bc of a moderately sloppy ending?

the green ears thing didn't really raise any flags with me bc Cohle had put random things together like that before...it was just shocking that it came from Marty

I think part of it that so much of the first 6 eps were storytelling done by the characters...that with the huge jump to the present...the change and growth SEEMS more sudden than it probably was

Marty being less attentive...

Cohle becoming more optimistic...

it's weird though...i think there was a lot more to contemplate with Cohles "turnaround" than "i saw my family"

it was moreso..."i felt their love again"...and his bromance became less tainted lol

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245. "yes bad writing"
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>the finale felt more rushed than anything else...
>
>and the cliche stuff was being fairly true to the genre
>
>but to say the writing in the series sucked just bc of a
>moderately sloppy ending?
>
>the green ears thing didn't really raise any flags with me bc
>Cohle had put random things together like that before...it was
>just shocking that it came from Marty
>
>I think part of it that so much of the first 6 eps were
>storytelling done by the characters...that with the huge jump
>to the present...the change and growth SEEMS more sudden than
>it probably was
>
>Marty being less attentive...
>
>Cohle becoming more optimistic...
>
>it's weird though...i think there was a lot more to
>contemplate with Cohles "turnaround" than "i saw my family"
>
>it was moreso..."i felt their love again"...and his bromance
>became less tainted lol


there were flaws throughout the series which would have been resolved if the writer did his job and resolved

he didn't

again everyone else did their job and excellently which supported this for most of the series.

this all fell apart when the writer did not do his job

its not "i don't like the ending"

its the writer did not do a good job

period

i actually like the series sheesh
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247. "there is way more to writing than "resolution""
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but to each his own...

i concede the finale had it's shortcomings...i don't think that was writing...i think that was production constraints and fans being fans...

people always shit on finales...

i thought this finale was written less well...but the show as a whole was extremely well-written

just rushed which can attributed to writing less than expected (but not bad writing imho) and production constraints

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248. "i waited thats all"
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>but to each his own...
>
>i concede the finale had it's shortcomings...i don't think
>that was writing...i think that was production constraints and
>fans being fans...
>
>people always shit on finales...
>
>i thought this finale was written less well...but the show as
>a whole was extremely well-written
>
>just rushed which can attributed to writing less than expected
>(but not bad writing imho) and production constraints

a bunch of us saw this is potentially going badly
the writer himself tried to stop what was becoming a snowball effect
because his writing started leading folks down paths
and no this isn't their imagination
this isnt their obsessions
this isnt good writing
this is the result of red herrings

some of us just waited for the end where usually things resolve themselves

this isnt "we didn't like the ending"
this is the writer dropping the ball on plot devices abused and misused

i'm fine with the happy ending actually
it was a depressing series
i'm not fine with plot holes and red herrings abused and you see folks going off of that
they are getting blamed for it when this is a result of the writing and not what folks are saying
an introduction of literature

the writer made vague notions to literature this gets people excited for depth
he himself stated there is no more there to those vague notions
people didn't stop their roll

i stopped mine
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257. "what did he drop the ball on?"
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foreshadowing or references don't always deserve resolution

in fact, most people consider it good writing for things to not be tidily or neatly resolved which

which specific plot "holes" are you referring to?

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252. "And I'm fine with that"
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If you're not, go read a book in the genre of your choice

  

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254. "i already do"
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most of you are catching up to
and will be catching up to what i've already read a year ago if not 10 years ago
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265. "There ya go sweetie"
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Gimmie that above-it-all snob bullshit that I love so much

  

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285. "aw i called you on your crap"
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sucks dont it
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270. "yep"
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203. "I wasn't disappointed, but I can see why some people were"
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The show delivered in spades on the things that I found compelling about the show...the interplay between Cohle and Hart and the impact that the case had on their lives and psyches over an extended stretch.

I was never particularily intrigued by the case itself. I wasn't chomping at the bit to know who the Yellow King was, were was Carcosa...etc. I always wanted more car rides and interviews.

Did the writer and director do the show a disservice by packing it full of teasers, red herrings and eater eggs? I knew from the simple fact that it was only 8 episodes that it wasn't going to deliver on all the symbols in children's art, repeated floral patterns, references to literary works, symbolism in photos...etc.

  

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208. "bingo!!! it was never even about the case itself."
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it was about the DETECTIVES. you know...cuz it's called True Detective.

all these people disappointed are just mad everything they saw that wasn't really there...wasn't really there.

  

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216. "yes but you cant have 20 missing Russian mafia dudes missing"
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without leaving a lot of people disappointed...Im one who always thought it was ending up to be about the relationship of three people and stated so, but all these important clues and people/happenings thrown out to build this atmosphere lore? That was a main part of folks getting into the show as well as fondness for the three main characters

to have 10 or so missing Russians who escaped at Pine Barrens is KIND OF fucked up ultimately





>it was about the DETECTIVES. you know...cuz it's called True
>Detective.
>
>all these people disappointed are just mad everything they saw
>that wasn't really there...wasn't really there.

  

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209. "i think it's strange that people are complaining "
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about what it was that drew most people-in in the first place.
the relationship between the two characters.

the finale was focused on that.
from the beginning the creator said he had little interest in telling a straight serial killer story, so this ending shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

i thought it was well-executed for what it was.

this was never twin peaks or law & order, so neither extreme should have been expected.

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233. "these folks don't enjoy shit though"
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like it's the show's fault that they built it up into some crazy conspiracy, clue leaving, subliminal messaging whodunit...it wasn't that, it was still great

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272. "I didn't think it was full of teasers, red herrings, etc."
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>Did the writer and director do the show a disservice by
>packing it full of teasers, red herrings and eater eggs? I
>knew from the simple fact that it was only 8 episodes that it
>wasn't going to deliver on all the symbols in children's art,
>repeated floral patterns, references to literary works,
>symbolism in photos...etc.


Until I started reading episode discussions on the internet, I didn't even notice many of the little details people with too much time on their hands were using to come up with their crazy theories.

  

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276. "regardless what you think, it was "
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277. "No it wasn't."
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213. "Rust always seemed like more of an American Spirt man to me"
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I mean really, Camels?

With those long ass drags they show him taking?

Man, Rust would kill a Camel in like seven drags. No way he's a Camel smoker.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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215. "LOL."
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I know you're joking but that's a tongue in cheek summation of the people who didn't like the finale.

  

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218. "my actual biggest beef with the show:"
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the black detectives were awfully flat and basically a crutch.

we know they're on the new case, but the first scene we see of them with out rust, marty or maggie, they crack the case for the viewer, despite being oblivious.

even just 1 or 2 more scenes of them at the beginning of episode 7 would flesh them out a bit and make their roles less cinematically convenient.

that's a fairly minor beef with what i thought was a phenomenal first season of a show tho.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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221. "When Black cop said "White Man" I cringed. "
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Is that really the only overt comment that the show makes on race in a show set in Louisiana?

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225. "hey it was about Marty and Rust!"
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no need for exposition on side characters

this is their world






it really explains all the red herrings though
Marty and Rust are definitely not compelling enough for 8 episodes
the writer/director had to distract the audience
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262. "That and the joke Hart tells his former colleague in the force"
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when he's obtaining files

All the while the camera is focusing on another Black cop outside of earshot who's sorting files

  

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219. "very interested where they will go next season."
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i mean, ideally Harrelson/Matty Mac are back, but they are movie stars first...so is it realistic that they remain? if so, can we picture them as anyone but Hart & Cohle?

i can't wait.

  

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222. "RE: very interested where they will go next season."
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Hopefully, the popularity of this season will attract other A-listers to do the series.

The writer has hinted that one of the detectives will be a woman in the next installment.

  

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224. "its an anthology"
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its over
they arent coming back
if woody comes back it will not be as the same character

Matt isnt coming back
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226. "i know what an anthology is. jesus."
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did you even read?

  

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230. "OKP reading is completely optional (c) Da Gawd"
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>did you even read?

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234. "you sure?"
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i dunno you're about as deep as the show
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260. "ooooh burn. smh."
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228. "not much but here's a little info"
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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/trending/True-Detective-Season-2-will-be-about-hard-women-.html

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.â€

  

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229. "yeah I see what you're saying..."
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after the first season of AHS, I was like how will this work but it does work when you have strong writing and great actors/actresses who know how to own a role. See Jessica Lange. She always becomes her role

However, I did find myself calling the one boy Tate since Season 1. Only because that's the only way he was memorable. As Tate. so the hopes is they own each role they take on.

  

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227. "the finale was great"
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creepy as f*ck. marty could have been 'seeing things' when he 'saw' the daughters reenactment. maybe déjà vu or some sort of metaphysical sign...


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231. "how the fuck are niggas still asking who the yellow king was?"
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like how much explanation does a nigga really need?
really?
really


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235. "^^^^^"
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dude broke it all the way down in chopped and screwed dialogue and shit....all them other dudes were on his journey....he was the king of that creepy shit

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237. "niggas is never satisfied b"
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i'm watchin this shit over from front to back lookin at the details
shit like rust cutting marty's grass
marty's family dinners always being spaghetti
how they basically laid out everything
niggas still askin questions like that shit wasn't that tight
internet niggas is unbelievable

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241. "^^^^"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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256. "agreed n/m"
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255. ""
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I don’t necessarily think the final episode answered that, and I don’t think it was creator Nic Pizzolatto’s intention to answer that, even if people wanted it. It was more of an added layer to the reasons behind the killings. Rather than the Yellow King and the books about Carcosa and the mythology around that being the centerpiece for the finale, it was just another layer.

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266. "i thought the yellow king was the altar they found"
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where they got attacked in the inner sanctum

draped in yellow

crown like branch form or whatever

where some of the most heinous acts likely took place

i mean iono, i havent nerded out on the whole thing like some folks

but its how i took it as i watched it

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243. "My one complaint, and it was a big one"
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Rust should have died rather than have that sort of spiritual turn. You can't be that absolutely existential and embracing of the randomness, cruelness of life and then get yanked back from near death (with that cosmic void vision he saw in the King's lair) only to become this blathering border-line agnostic. As an atheist, that turn really bugged me; and Hart's attempt to talk him back from the edge was so shallow, intellectually, but that may have just been due to how flawed he was, mentally and morally, compared to Cohle.

I don't know. That last 10 minutes...could have done without, on one viewing. Need to visit it again.

  

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250. "I attribute it to an alcoholic's moment of clarity"
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Also, that of closing this loop of violence and self-destruction.

Rust had essentially freed himself of 'time as a flat circle'

Also? Knife in the stomach.

I didn't take it as a purging of his cynicism or even agnosticism -- just a foundation-shaking experience that threw open the scaffolds he'd erected around his life in order to function.

  

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253. "The way he described his daughter and father's warmth"
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Seemed agnostic to me. That and the "once it was all black" ending line...it would be one thing if there was ever, in the entire series, a hint of selfdoubt in Cohle about who he thought/knew he was, but he seemed so set in his philosophy that the turn, especially at the hands of something purely evil, just seemed too easy for someone as complicated as he was.

  

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251. "RE: My one complaint, and it was a big one"
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>As an atheist, that turn really bugged me; and
>Hart's attempt to talk him back from the edge was so shallow,
>intellectually, but that may have just been due to how flawed
>he was, mentally and morally, compared to Cohle.
>
>I don't know. That last 10 minutes...could have done without,
>on one viewing. Need to visit it again.

Lol I came here just to see these particular tears. Hopefully y'all will be able to move on from Rust Cohle not being your icon lol

  

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258. "He was in that "space" because he lost hist daughter..."
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...closing this out brought him some light.

That's my conclusion anyway.

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264. "They needed to 'finish' the humanization of Cohle"
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There is an extension in the meaning of Cohle's work on the case being incomplete

The humanization Cohle started to experience through the vicariously felt comforts of Hart's family life was a window into the past life he rejected when he lost his family, and long before he became 'brittle', as Hart says it, after his career, his only solace, also is lost. The atheistic, distanced view he takes of the world is a direct byproduct of that trauma and the alienation is worsened by alcohol and isolation

For him to be reunited in spirit with those closest to him in that spiritual limbo bridged the long years that were a barrier to his former life, and allowed him to internalize the humanity that Hart has seemed to manage to hang on to despite also losing his family.

Hart's isolation since his wife left has made him a better detective, Cohle's spiritual turn will make him a better human being.

  

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267. "All of this. His story needed arc."
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For him to simply remain the same pessimistic atheist that he was in Episode 1 would be uninteresting from a narrative perspective.

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278. "how is Rust's final definitive statement border-line agnostic?"
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"Once there was only darkness...if you ask me,
the Light's winning."

seems to be a moment of clarity to me.

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280. "In Episode 3 (?)...in the revival tent"
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He basically rips all forms of religion and spirituality to shreds without any sort of doubt or concern for the people that fall under his judgement (even the ones in earshot of him). He then thinks he feels his daughter and father while he's near death, which would indicate his wavering on the existence of life-after or at least the spiritual possibility of a greater universal meaning in individual relationships. It's just sort of a weird thing that plays his pre-finale character as somewhat pathetic and also, now, playing into the same dogma that allowed for something like the Yellow King to exist.

  

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284. "RE: In Episode 3 (?)...in the revival tent"
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I think he definitely rips religion to shreds - but with his discussion on universal law/natural law - he definitely doesn't rebuke the notion of spirituality or cosmic knowledge.

Rust is on his own spiritual journey - it's just that his scope is a lonely one because he actually is seeing visions that nobody else is seeing via hallucination which he tends to see as authentic visions of cosmic origin. I see Rust as being deeply nihilistic for most of the season - but still on the quest or search if you will - for spiritual meaning - which does come in the form of a 'feeling' that he gets when he has that experience in the season finale where he feels his family and then portals back into this dimension.

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259. "here's my major issues with the criticisms"
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a.) im critical as shit and will concede in a second where some shit i like falls short

b.) People expecting every reference to be multi-layered...talking about the paintings...harping on their theories about his daughter...(simple explanation is that she heard about some shit from some other abused or nearly abused kids)

c.) the need for all those involved to be caught as if that was ever really any of their issues...they caught the fake Carcosa and knew it was more than the 2 they killed and KIM and yet people expect them to continue a manhunt...they wanted answers...they got them...they good...

d.) being pissed about things that become important to them and theories and it having little to no significance beyond being a literary tool or trick...they want a whole plot explanation behind a plot device that is really used as environmental..for example...all the speculation of the flower mural...or the baby doll orgy

they want explicit explorations of that shit lol

in summation this is all about our ability to nitpick and expect the writers to be more considerate of our social voyeuristic neuroses

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261. "I enjoyed it am satisfied"
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The obvious turn would have been the one a bunch of oeople were crying for given the course of the show. It wasn't that.

I agree with most of this review

http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/03/10/true-detective-finale-review-truth-justice-and-the-satisfying-surprise-of-a-happy-ending/



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Culminating a remarkable first season in fine, moving form, True Detective’s finale, titled “Form and Void,” took us to the heart of darkness at the vortex center of its weird fiction — as well as the final stage of its meta-commentary on the stories we tell ourselves, about ourselves, for better and worse. It was a tale that ripped dark marks on our bellies, then soothed us by “making flowers” on us. So to speak.

We start on the outskirts of the infernal plane. We begin in hell on earth. The ersatz underworld of The Yellow King — a.k.a. Errol Childress, a perverse product of paternal abuse, generational evil, and his own deranged, pop-culture informed myth-making — was a theater of the mind for a fantasy made real: His vision of Carcosa, the necropolis of Ambrose Bierce and the fallen world of Robert W. Chambers, littered with dead trees and body bags. Childress lured Cohle into his ascension chamber — the staging area for so many murders, and last night, a stage for an ancient ritual, the oldest story of all. Light versus dark. Good versus evil. “Little priest” versus wannabe Elder God. It was The Real World: Dungeons and Dragons, and Cohle, hard boiled to the core, was ready to play. I’ll see your abyss and gaze right back, Lawnmower Man!

He was fooling himself. Rust Cohle has always been fooling himself. His cynicism, his callousness were parts of the mask he wore to engage the world, to deal with himself. But it offered no protection when his mind — tweaking from the fetid evil around him — conspired against him and waylaid him with a vision of a coal-black vortex spiraling down to claim him. Maybe you were thinking: They’re going to do it! Cthulhu is coming! Coming to take us away, ha-ha! Ho-ho! Hee-hee! Beam me up, Lovecraft!

But no. It was gotcha moment, for Rust, and for us. Childress seized him and cut him to the core, literally and spiritually, like a knife to an empty can of Lone Star. “TAKE OFF YOUR MASK!” The Monster bellowed. It was as if Childress was telling him to cut the phony bologna nihilist crap, the useful fairy tale of baggy and buggy sentient meat denying his truth. Of course, you can say the same of his agent of enlightenment, his doppelganger. True Detective was always all about authenticity — or rather, the lack thereof, and the stories we tell ourselves to get us through the day (religion, or nothingness, or our private Carcosas) and in turn imprint (and inflict) upon the world.

What happened after Rust’s gutting exposes us as well: the final 15 minutes of “Form and Void” struck me as a Rorschach test for what you want from stories like this, for what we’ve come to call “resolution,” And boy, did we get a lot of it, both implied and explicitly stated, no more so during the last scene, with all of its mansplaining and bromantic uplift. Yes, uplift. The twist ending of True Detective’s bleak first season: a bracing refutation of its baroque pessimism. Cohle and Hart slayed the decadently dandy slumdog (schizo?) psycho at dream’s end, spent a good chunk of time processing their feelings and baring their souls, then exited, stage right, to star in The Odd Couple sitcom we’ll never get to see. They were as stunned by this turn of events as we were. Cohle and Hart, flawed heroes and failed men, expected to be destroyed by their bid to pay the debt they owed the world, and so did I. If you had told me four episodes ago, after Rust’s ugly Crash digression and Marty’s complete unraveling, that we’d get a happy ending in which they’d be laughing and hugging and telling stories about the stars — like myth-making bards of antiquity — I would have thought you were a sauce-knackered tent preacher. What does say that about me? Perhaps a lifetime spent consuming stories has shaped my imagination to assume the worst. Or maybe I’m just, like, a really hideous person.

And so instead of losing their lives, Cohle and Hart were rewarded with new life. Marty found a little redemption — but not too much — and reconciliation he thought beyond him. Rust found some catharsis for the past, triggered by a near-death experience as his sense of self was becoming incoherent and fading away: A feeling of love and connection with his dead daughter and his beloved father. He wanted to sink and dissipate into that deep: “I said, ‘Darkness, yeah! And then I woke up,” said Cohle, despairing that what felt so metaphysically real was only a dream. Still, in this moment, we truly saw Cohle for the first time: He shed his last layer to reveal the profound grief that drove him. Wow. I thought we would get a grim and gritty climax that affirmed a gloomy worldview; we thought we would get Chinatown. Instead, we got the deconstruction of hipster/pulp cynicism that says heroism is a crock and the recovery of old school virtue; we got Casablanca.

A toast to Cohle and Hart, who deserve to be the penultimate* final statement on an era of anti-heroism and hideous men: Here’s to the beginning of a beautiful relationship.

*I think Don Draper should get the final word on this, don’t you?

THE FASCINATION WITH ABOMINATION

In which we spend a few hundred words making sense of The Yellow King.

We won’t be forgetting Errol Childress anytime soon. The collaboration of writing, directing, set and performance (Glenn Fleshler, terrific) in “Form and Void” combined to produce a memorable portrait of decadent, demented evil that was rich with layers and allusions and subtext.

The facts, as I understood them. Errol made his home in the boonies beyond the Creole Nature Trail. He kept his dead father — another lawless lawman and corrupt Tuttle, who with other Tuttles abused him and warped him and sewed his psyche with their perverse private religion — bound and lip-tied. He kept house with his half-sister. Made “flowers” on her, too. (Ewww.) He had stacks and stacks of books, magazines and DVDs in his trashed, fly-swarmed, fetid home. (Was The King In Yellow somewhere in those stacks?) He watched a lot of TV. (That was North by Northwest on the telly.) He was a man of many voices — Andy Griffith, Slingblade, James Mason — and seemingly no fixed identity.

But the intelligence behind those masks did fancy itself something monstrous. Errol lived to make his mark on the world by abducting and raping and killing children in ritualistic fashion with the help of his low-life cousins — his “acolytes” — the Ledoux brother, and littering the landscape with devil nets, occult graffiti, a Christian woman slain and transmogrified into an art object that mocked her faith. All were ironic reminders that evil roamed the land with impunity, and no one could — or would — stop him. Certainly not God. It bothered Errol, though, that no one had detected his handiwork: “Oh, if they had eyes to see,” he said. The implication: Errol wanted to be discovered. What’s more, he wanted to expose the family that had made him, that used him, that… worshipped him? And then there was the matter of Errol’s last great project: His “ascension.” He made a reference to tying off the endless loop of his life — his own circle of violence and degradation — and checking out — “I am near the final stage. Some mornings, I can see the infernal plane.”

I am taken by the notion that Errol wanted to end his life by producing a story — his last ritual — in which he would play the part of The Great Adversary. He just needed some worthy Hero-Christs to play their parts in the play. He finally got them — after years of waiting? — in the form of Cohle and Hart. In that moment in the field, when Cohle told Errol to freeze, and Errol said “No,” Errol wanted the detectives to follow him into his labyrinth. A grand battle ensued — Errol wasn’t going to make it easy; our boys had to earn it — and Errol got his death-wish made true by Cohle, no stranger to death-wishes. Cohle shot him in the head, and the image we got framed Errol’s exploding head within the hole in the roof of his chamber. Behold Errol’s violent enlightenment, his ascension, his storytelling mission accomplished.

Of the many details that defined Errol, I am thinking most at present about all that pop culture lying around his house. Errol’s story concluded one of True Detective’s themes/morals: Be careful what you put in your head. You spend your days filling your head with pictures of evil (Cohle, ep. 3), you spend your days filling your imagination with faces of evil and stories about evil (Errol, and his Carcosa-crazed family, Hitchcock flicks, and who knows what else Errol kept lying around), you spend your days fascinated with abomination, and chances are, they’re going to affect the way you see the world.

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Heading into the finale, I saw several pieces lobbying for a “no resolution” ending to True Detective. No hard answers, no final declarations. Resist the desire to be just like any other cop show! Their argument was that True Detective wasn’t really about the murders and rapes and the ritualistic desecration of children and women, wasn’t really about its mysteries of history and corruption and secrets and lies. It was about the characters of Cohle and Hart, and their charged bromance, and Cohle’s ridiculous philosophizing, and Hart being a dork, and the world, and the landscape, and the existential unknowability of absolute truth and the mood — oh, the gloriously fetid mood.

I respectfully disagree. It’s a misread of the story to argue that True Detective has always been resolution-agnostic, that it should have given us an ending with question marks instead of periods. The first six episodes were narratively driven by Cohle and Hart’s storytelling, but we see now — and this is important and not to be overlooked — that the story was always framed by two detectives searching for truth: Papania and Gilbough, who we now know to be righteous, honorable cops. The portraits of Cohle and Hart that emerged depicted obsolete modes of masculinity and worldviews, who were unworthy of the heroism that was required of them — but became so by submitting to total deconstruction.

The last two episodes saw Cohle and Hart taking responsibility for a broken world that they helped to break. I loved how this was expressed in the procedural scenes, and I was grateful we got a lot of them in the past two weeks. It was great seeing the detectives actually be detectives — especially diligent, thorough Hart, who made the key connection that put them in the road to Childress. Even Cohle was impressed: “F— you, man!” High praise!

Bottom line: The organizing principle of True Detective was restoring law to a lawless land. Telling me to not care about that — to not want resolution for that — is to be cynical about character transformation. It asks me to not care about justice. And that’s what “resolution” meant here: justice. There is a kind of existential pulp that can get away with moral ambiguity (Breaking Bad), or supernatural existentialism that can get away without explaining its metaphysics (Lost). This was neither.

Yes, it was earnest. It certainly defied common medical sense: How the hell did Rust survive that gutting? Dude plunged that blade deep into his belly, lifted him off the ground and let him hang and tear a little on its jagged edge. Ouch! But it was interesting how the final 15 minutes gave us a series of very distinct scenes, each representing a different kind of ending that could have worked for both this story and this kind of story, yet worked together to create another meaning altogether:

Do you like your pulp colder than Jack Nicholson’s naughty bits at the end of The Shining? Then remember forever Hart cradling Cohle — both bleeding to death — looking up into the empty eye of God formed by the opening in the ceiling in Childress’ ascension chamber, seeing a flare — a flicker of hope — and crying out: “Here! We’re here!” Basically: The Book of Job, before the restoration.

Do you prefer some resolution but not complete resolution? Then remember forever our fallen warriors in the hospital: Hart reunited with family, suddenly feeling healed, then remembering he is not, that his encounter with horror has left him far afield from anything like “fine.” And Cohle, looking hollowed and husked — a grizzled, lost Frodo after his awful apocalypse at Mount Doom.

Do you need happy ending uplift? Then remember forever Hart coaching Cohle toward hope and stars, and Cohle tearfully recognizing that his protest-too-much nihilism has been so much sound and fury, and both men hobbling away, arm in arm.

Taken together, all those scenes created a nuanced climax. Kudos to True Detective for not making too much of Cohle and Hart’s heroic achievement. Yes, it felt mythic, but that’s because we got a climax set in The Yellow King’s fraudulent “psychosphere,” and most of it from Cohle’s muddled perspective. Cohle the Pulp Christ so wanted the grandiose knock-out punch — what a way to go out, to tie off the vicious circle of violence and degradation, both in himself and in his culture; to solve the problem of evil once and for all! (Take THAT, Silent God!) But Hart corrected him, right-sized him; that was not their job, not their fight, and really, nothing they were qualified for. This small chapter of the never-ending story was more than enough and screwed them up good. Leave the rest to the next generation. Leave it to the duly empowered (and totally righteous) Gilbough and Papania.

And this why I loved that True Detective let Cohle and Hart live — or rather, made them live. Their “rewards” for saving the day? Shredded illusions. Painful self awareness. The opportunity to spend all of their remaining years trying to get over the horror, the horror. The only real feel-good compensations? They get each other; they get to figure their sh– out together. My favorite parts of the finale? When Hart called Cohle his “friend;” when Cohle entrusted a man he found so easy to judge with this weakness and tears.

Yeah, yeah: CORNY. But I buy it. Because it’s true. And I’ll take it from almost any story, flaws and all, if I feel it earned it. And I say True Detective did.

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263. "Loved the show, ending was straight. Some of the epiphanies Hart &"
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Cohle have are really huge stretches based on shallow connections, but yeah, I get it; it's just a show

Cohle: "We gotta look at this with fresh eyes, like we're GREEN"

Hart looks at the spaghetti monster with GREEN ears, then the GREEN house with the fresh coat of paint juxtaposed with the picture of the house in present time with the faded coat of green.

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282. "I think the writer intended for them to solve the case by Accident"
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As in the whole green ears thing was wrong. Dude didn't have green ears but rather he was wearing green lawnmower ear muffs. It was a lucky break for Cohle and Hart but I like the idea that they got the clue wrong but it still lead to them solving the case.


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269. "For those of you who didn't like it, please don't watch next season"
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God forbid niggas leave a piece of pancake on their and ask why that wasn't resolved and how that related to the murder.

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