replete with private jets and monarch luxury.

Dude is not only catching fake holy ghosts on stage
w/ Tyler Perry, but is big pimping church-goers at
absurd levels.

Creflo Dollar-Dollar bill, y'all.

Disgusting.

http://pimppreacher.com/post/86455806645/want-bishop-t-d-jakes-for-your-next-revival-got

If I were to ask you to tell me about the Goodness of Jesus Christ – how much would you charge me for your testimony? Well if you’re Bishop T.D. Jakes then you’re probably going to want $100k before you even clear your throat.

In the world of Preaching, very few Pew Bums are aware of something called an “Honorarium” but all of them have paid it in one form or another. If you have ever had a guest speaker at your church and on that particular day your pastor passed the collection plate 5 times, then chances are he was trying to recoup the speakers Honorarium out of your pockets.

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Just about all of the traveling and revival Preachers require an Honorarium. An Honorarium is the fee your church will pay to have a Preacher come share the “Good News” about Jesus. In other words – it’s the Fee you pay to hear the Word of God – and some smaller ministries are nearly going bankrupt trying to pay for Big Name Preachers. Why?

The reason many smaller ministries are willing to drop six figures for a Top Tier Preacher is because the pastor of the little church is trying to become a Bigger Church. Bishop T. D. Jakes is the wet-dream of the majority of the Little Pastors in the country – and all Little Pastors hate being considered a Little Pastor. So they dig deep to pay for someone the likes of Juanita Bynum, Paula White, or even worse T. D. Jakes, in hopes that the crowds will show up with them. The one question I would like to ask every small to medium size Pastor is this:

Why would you even consider paying a fellow Preacher of the Gospel $100,000.00 for a 50 minute sermon?

Such was the case with a really small ministry called Teen Mania Ministries. I was directed to this unbelievable story told by an assistant to a gentleman named Ron Luce, and it captured everything that could go wrong when Little Pastors try to fit in with Big Time Pastors.

The assistant director gave a heartbreaking account of how much their struggling ministry invested in one event, just to have T.D. Jakes as the keynote speaker. Listed below is a behind the scenes view of the cost to hire Bishop T.D. Jakes, and all of the amenities stipulated in his Honorarium Contract. Please keep in mind that these numbers are from 2007, therefore who knows how much Jakes is charging to preach today. Just something to consider before you pick up the phone to call the Potter’s House in Dallas, and request their pastor to speak at your next revival.

A Tale From Honorarium Hell

“ late 2007 I had been hired to be Ron Luce’s assistant, director of his Executive Office, and the 2008 New York BattleCry had been my baby. I was responsible for literally every minute of the event with regard to the VIP’s and had been given the directive to spare “no expense” to ensure that we handled our ultimate VIP with “world class” attention to detail. I was tasked with being the liaison for Bishop T.D. Jakes and to do absolutely anything (and everything) possible to ensure that he experienced world class VIP treatment.

The premier speaker for the New York City BattleCry had been decided in 2007 (possibly even before that time). This event was designed to be the biggest and most extravagant display that Teen Mania had ever performed, but in order to do that we needed the “big dogs” of the Christian world to attend to attract a large enough audience for the event. Early on Ron fixed his eyes on Bishop T.D. Jakes. I still remember when I received the “engagement dossier” from Mr. Jake’s offices in Dallas. I opened it and began muddling through the contract, green room requirements, hotel requirements, and ultimately the Honorarium.

While the ministry was cutting back on salaries, expenses, costs, and was sending thousands of letters of year explaining the need for more money, I was hiring Bishop Jakes to speak at the NYC BattleCry.

His Honorarium was $100,000.00. Teen Mania Ministries paid every penny of that cost from the Executive Departments budget. But it didn’t end there…

Bishop Jakes also required a round trip chartered private Learjet from Texas to New York City. This would end up cost Teen Mania approximately $22,000.00. Additionally Bishop Jakes would need to stay in the Presidential suite of the Manhattan Ritz Carlton at approximately $2,200.00 a night. This too was paid by Teen Mania Ministries.

At the instruction and approval of Mr. Luce we spared no expense and paid many thousands of dollars to have a local florist in New York City make rare and exotic imported flower bouquets for the Presidential suite at the Ritz Carlton. I know this because I delivered those flowers to the suite myself. We spent thousands of dollars buying rare chocolates, desserts, pastries and various imported gifts from around the world for the Bishop, his wife and his children. This included several hundred dollars of i-Tunes gift cards, i-Pods, and various expensive trinkets.

Mr. Luce had me draft a complete “minute by minute” of what Bishop Jakes would experience from the moment he stepped off his $22,000.00 private Learjet to the moment he entered the stadium for the NYC BattleCry. This included a green room that was fit for a monarch. We completely transformed the nicest available space in the arena into a virtual oasis of luxury for Bishop Jakes. We rented couches, furniture, lamps and brought the most luxurious items we could find in the city to his green room. The cost for this was astronomical.

When it was all said and done we had easily spent well over $125,000.00 (this is a very conservative number, it likely exceeded $140,000.00 plus. It also should be noted that Teen Mania also paid Kirk Franklin $25,000.00 to come and perform at the NYC BattleCry for his Honorarium.

A struggling ministry barely able to pay its staff, the bills, the ongoing operating costs of the campus, that was begging donors for money to stay afloat had literally blown over $125,000.00 on a man who spoke for about 50 minutes, and wasn’t even the best speaker of the event let alone that night. That is, in a nutshell, why Teen Mania has allowed the bank to foreclose. Reckless spending coupled with a leader who answers to no one is a recipe for disaster.”

This was only a caption taken from a posting explaining the foreclosure of Teen Mania Ministries. If you would like to read the entire post, then please click here.

A warning to all Little Pastors out there – No Preacher (not even T.D. Jakes) Is Worth $100k Unless He Died On A Cross And Got Up On The 3rd Day! If your ministry is fortunate to have an extra $100k - then I advise you not to waste it on T.D. Jakes or any other Preacher. Take that money and feed the hungry, provide shelter for the homeless, and care for the elderly. Learn from what happened to Teen Mania Ministry and love the members you have.
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think about people that make large sums of money. they usually do things that have an almost proven value attached to them.

TD Jakes showing up at your church is gonna make people show up & toss money in that plate. and raise your church's profile which gets more money tossed in the plate.

so TDJ can charge $100k cuz that church is gonna make that back plus more.

all's fair

>TD Jakes showing up at your church is gonna make people show
>up & toss money in that plate. and raise your church's profile
>which gets more money tossed in the plate.
>
>so TDJ can charge $100k cuz that church is gonna make that
>back plus more.
>
>all's fair

Perhaps you didn't read the part where these ministries/churches
are nearly bankrupt and can barely pay their staff, but are
dishing out 140k for gaudy sermons. It's gross mismanagement
funds and disgusting church-star sensationalism.

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but let's not jump around w/ vague statements.

I was responding to the 'well the church is making
all that money back and then some' - which clearly
isn't true based on the report cited above.

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is bringing in a significant amount of money to the churches that he visits.

When he visited my church, which seats 4,000 in the sanctuary and over 5,000 total if you count the overflow rooms, the place was jam packed from wall to wall.

If a church can't afford to bring in someone of that caliber, they shouldn't do it. Stick with the local preachers.

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so that they can go to concerts and buy name brand items? I don't see you calling out Bey or Nike because people go broke on them.

>so that they can go to concerts and buy name brand items? I
>don't see you calling out Bey or Nike because people go broke
>on them.

Bey and Nike aren't claiming to do God's work in the name of Jesus Christ the Almighty Savior, preying on people's faith.


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I'm not saying is $$ requirement is right or wrong, just level-setting on what we're criticizing here.

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But these luxury green-room, presidential suite, private
jet demands on top of a 100k 50 minute sermon is
gaudy, distasteful, and offensive to the purpose of
"serving" the people in an age where poverty reigns
supreme.

But sure, you are entitled to your opinion to defend
Jakes based on what you think his 'market value' is -
but it's interesting when people compare the business
of the church with free-market capitalism. Alas, that's
precisely why these Rolex-preachers are able to command
such praise and wealth -- because of adoring fans.



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I'm sure Jesus would agree with you, wholeheartedly,
as he spreads out on the luxury furniture brought in
to accommodate Mr. Jakes as he revels at the 20k floral
arrangements brought in to appease him.

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I don't care one way or the other.

I look at a pastor as a messenger used by God to deliver a message.

That's it.

I don't care what car he drives.

I don't care how much his suit costs.

If he is being used by God to get a message to me, that's the focus.

If I believe that the message is fabricated by him, that's when I tune him out/walk away.

But compensation isn't my concern because personally, I'm not going broke to make someone else rich.

If I were, that would be MY problem.

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>I don't care what car he drives.
>
>I don't care how much his suit costs.

But apparently Mr. Jakes cares. A whole lot.
Dude's requests are akin to a hollywood diva's
rider.


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I just find it funny that people will pay $250 to watch Jay an Bey sing a few tunes... They're caking, and it's cool.

Women will pay $300+ for bags.. those designers are caking, and it's cool.

Stand in line in the heat/cold for J's, spend a couple hundred on shoes you don't even want to wear to keep them clean... He's caking, and it's cool.

Spend on Invicta watches... they're caking and it's cool.

But a pastor needs to be broke.

Like I said, I don't care either way because I'm not going broke to make anybody else rich. I just find the discussions interesting.

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y'all need to call your faith something else
in the 2014.


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convenience contain?

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And neither are you, apparently - at least not
in the strict definition of the term.

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Christianity in your opinion.

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on this we agree

they molded the shit out of that religion

ignored some parts, alter other parts

and then turn around talk about respect my faith

shit YOU dont respect your faith!

>on this we agree
>
>they molded the shit out of that religion
>
>ignored some parts, alter other parts
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>and then turn around talk about respect my faith
>
>shit YOU dont respect your faith!

I don't even know what their "faith" is, though. lol

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faith IMO isn't tangible. His sermons are a commodity, like the purses and concert tickets you mentioned.

I see your outrage, but I think it's kinda misguided.

>faith IMO isn't tangible. His sermons are a commodity, like
>the purses and concert tickets you mentioned.

If you think this is bad, you should see the case to be made
against the Vatican. This is nothing.


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http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-12-31/features/9003050625_1_vatican-bank-vatican-approval-catholic-bishops

then I think that's crazy too.

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

gross

You were critical about people paying the fee, not the fee itself.

If nobody were willing to pay the fee, it would not exist. This isn't a situation where he has claimed that he is the exclusive giver of "the word". This isn't a situation where he has forced anybody to use him. This isn't even a situation where there are no other options. This is a situation dealing with other people's mismanagement of their finances.

He charges a fee, plays to sold out crowds, people are willing to pay to see him speak for whatever reason. Because of that you are critical.

He also writes books, should those be given away for free because of the content? You can see him speak for free. You can listen to him preach for the price of someone's internet connection without offering him a dime. You can even go watch the vast majority of his sermons on youtube - FOR FREE.

And we're not even getting into whether or not he's doing any charitable work on his own and how it compares to the charitable work someone like yourself is able to do.

Maybe they're willing to pay because he is an author that has multiple books on the NY Times best seller's list.

Maybe he's asking price is what it is because his time is valuable, he is in incredibly high demand, and sitting down to take the time to go through every request from every person who wants to see him would be a drain on his ability to perform his job. Even at $150K he's probably turning down speaking engagements. Perhaps the hope is that if someone is willing to pay $150K that means that he will be speaking in a larger venue which will give more individuals the opportunity to see him (in many cases for free) as opposed to the person who's only able to pay a few thousand to get him to them and their church only holds 50.

I'm certain that he has already spent years visiting churches on a volunteer basis or even just for the cost of room and board. Where were you to criticize that? There are still preachers who will do that to this day.

At least be honest in your criticism. For example: You don't like the man, you don't like what he stands for and you don't like that people don't feel the same way that you do and won't withhold their finances as a show of solidarity with you and what you believe should happen.

People have a right to spend their money how they want to.

Edit: And by the way I'm not an "adoring fan" of anybody except maybe Sheldon and Temperance, but moreso Sheldon.



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>You were critical about people paying the fee, not the fee
>itself.
>
>If nobody were willing to pay the fee, it would not exist.
>This isn't a situation where he has claimed that he is the
>exclusive giver of "the word". This isn't a situation where
>he has forced anybody to use him. This isn't even a situation
>where there are no other options. This is a situation dealing
>with other people's mismanagement of their finances.
>
>He charges a fee, plays to sold out crowds, people are willing
>to pay to see him speak for whatever reason. Because of that
>you are critical.
>
>He also writes books, should those be given away for free
>because of the content? You can see him speak for free. You
>can listen to him preach for the price of someone's internet
>connection without offering him a dime. You can even go watch
>the vast majority of his sermons on youtube - FOR FREE.
>
>And we're not even getting into whether or not he's doing any
>charitable work on his own and how it compares to the
>charitable work someone like yourself is able to do.
>
>Maybe they're willing to pay because he is an author that has
>multiple books on the NY Times best seller's list.
>
>Maybe he's asking price is what it is because his time is
>valuable, he is in incredibly high demand, and sitting down to
>take the time to go through every request from every person
>who wants to see him would be a drain on his ability to
>perform his job. Even at $150K he's probably turning down
>speaking engagements. Perhaps the hope is that if someone is
>willing to pay $150K that means that he will be speaking in a
>larger venue which will give more individuals the opportunity
>to see him (in many cases for free) as opposed to the person
>who's only able to pay a few thousand to get him to them and
>their church only holds 50.
>
>I'm certain that he has already spent years visiting churches
>on a volunteer basis or even just for the cost of room and
>board. Where were you to criticize that? There are still
>preachers who will do that to this day.
>
>At least be honest in your criticism. For example: You don't
>like the man, you don't like what he stands for and you don't
>like that people don't feel the same way that you do and won't
>withhold their finances as a show of solidarity with you and
>what you believe should happen.
>
>People have a right to spend their money how they want to.
>
>
>
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>You were critical about people paying the fee, not the fee
>itself.

I'm critical about both.

You wrote an instanovel and all that amounted out to was:

You think what he's doing is appropriate and indicative
of fair market-value.

You're entitled to that line of thinking. I wholly disagree.
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http://www.medc-tori.org/

"The Texas Offenders Re-entry Initiative, or T.O.R.I., is committed to helping and improving the lives of people who've made mistakes in their pasts which make their acceptance back into society a very difficult task. With T.O.R.I. you will find people who are ready to assist ex-offenders in making better decisions in order to avoid repeating an often dangerous and destructive life-cycle."

I would like to find a way to implement that in other states. Maybe it's something that you could look into while you're being critical of the man and spread the word about the program.

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>I would like to find a way to implement that in other states.
>Maybe it's something that you could look into while you're
>being critical of the man and spread the word about the
>program.

Thanks - but you, and legions of followers are already doing
enough to "spread the good word."


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it's hardly a unique, original or "visionary" plan

also do you have any data regarding the effectiveness of the program?

but you're right, let's not be critical of certain actions bc there are other things they do that are positive

i mean, sure, the gov't bombs ppl & incarcerates millions & doesnt even let us have basic healthcare but they give us food stamps!!!

>but you're right, let's not be critical of certain actions bc
>there are other things they do that are positive
>
>i mean, sure, the gov't bombs ppl & incarcerates millions &
>doesnt even let us have basic healthcare but they give us food
>stamps!!!
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well said, Marla

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>People have a right to spend their money how they want to.

Sure.

and those of us with sense have the right to call you dumb.

and it's totally mutual.

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And a full weeks bonus.
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more evidence that Capitalism and Christianity (like actual "words of Christ in red" Christianity) are absolutely & inherently incompatible

I'm late...but you and daryloneal are some good folk.... *shakes pom poms*

OWN multi-million dollar penthouse in NYC.

that makes it even more galling.

i remember reading about that years ago and being just blown away.

helicopters, dumb expensive cribs and cars.

ok. maybe TD Cakes all that off his books and movies which are, technically, side hustles.

but to charge mad high honoraria and then have additional reqmts like this is beyond crazy.

his extravagance runs counter to anything in the bible. Solomon had people paying him for convos, but those were rulers, not common people. and his influence and wealth enriched israel. and at the end of his life, he counted it ALL (the wealth, the women, etc) as vanity -- worthless, futile.

this is wild trife. but ppl keep paying this joker.


peace & blessings,

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Get Out the Room
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Some of y'all need this in your life: http://www.psychology.com

or something....

sites like that are DESIGNED to shoot preachers from the hip....

i saw the source

and

smh....

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