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SoWhat
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"spouse > kids."


  

          

anything else is a recipe for divorce. right?



fuck you.

  

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nah yo
Aug 05th 2014
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right. and it leaves space for the kids to come between the couple.
Aug 05th 2014
2
      Dude that makes no sense at all.
Aug 05th 2014
74
           did you call 'shotgun' this time?
Aug 05th 2014
78
                more than likely
Aug 05th 2014
108
I hate the way family is discussed on here
Aug 05th 2014
3
^^wisdom^^
Aug 05th 2014
5
family = Mad Max-style competition for attention/affection.
Aug 05th 2014
10
I C U
Aug 05th 2014
24
RE: I hate the way family is discussed on here
Aug 05th 2014
52
RE: I hate the way family is discussed on here
Aug 05th 2014
106
agreed, it almost scares me that people think this way
Aug 05th 2014
143
sticks and stones break bones but thoughts will fuck you up.
Aug 05th 2014
144
zackly.
Aug 05th 2014
145
(having neither spouse nor kids) that thinking seems unnecessary
Aug 05th 2014
4
selfish people please stay single
Aug 05th 2014
6
or just don't have kids....lol
Aug 05th 2014
8
being selfish doesn't go too well in a relationship either.
Aug 05th 2014
9
Very True...
Aug 05th 2014
19
both...
Aug 05th 2014
22
It's funny that people get characterized as selfish for not wanting kids
Aug 05th 2014
132
      nah that's not what happened there.
Aug 05th 2014
146
           yeah, that's what happened there.
Aug 05th 2014
148
                yup
Aug 05th 2014
151
it's all one family, and that should be anyone's first priority
Aug 05th 2014
7
would Machiavelli agree?
Aug 05th 2014
11
      who cares
Aug 05th 2014
13
           i think his family does.
Aug 05th 2014
15
                haha, yeah i guess they probably cared
Aug 05th 2014
18
if push comes to shove, we can always manufacture another kid.
Aug 05th 2014
12
right. that's how Henry Ford saw the issue and i agree.
Aug 05th 2014
16
It's not a binary equation.
Aug 05th 2014
14
polygamy is still illegal/unrecognized.
Aug 05th 2014
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      I'm saying there are more than two absolute answers.
Aug 05th 2014
30
           it ain't no fun if the homies can't have none.
Aug 05th 2014
33
if not divorce, a very unfulfilling marriage.
Aug 05th 2014
20
i think marriage is understood as something that will be miserable
Aug 05th 2014
28
      ??? I don't understand the point
Aug 05th 2014
112
Do gay guys have the bond with child like breeders?
Aug 05th 2014
21
its a delicate balance i would assume
Aug 05th 2014
kids don't need to be involved in grown folks business.
Aug 05th 2014
25
well, babies are more important than anything ever created.
Aug 05th 2014
26
^
Aug 05th 2014
27
Yes.
Aug 05th 2014
23
the sad thing is people take pride in putting their kids first
Aug 05th 2014
29
LoL
Aug 05th 2014
32
it's an observation and clearly it makes you mad.
Aug 05th 2014
37
Yes becuz you have no idea until you are faced with those decisions
Aug 05th 2014
40
      Are we talking about exceptions or in general tho?
Aug 05th 2014
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           i think kids should be in front of the spouse in pictures.
Aug 05th 2014
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           haha
Aug 05th 2014
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           LOL.
Aug 05th 2014
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           I dont think gays should be able to adopt.
Aug 05th 2014
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           ^^^ MAD
Aug 05th 2014
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           everyone had been doing such a good job at ignoring him...smh
Aug 05th 2014
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                Thats cause this milkshake is HARD to resist.
Aug 05th 2014
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                I just got here and scrolled down to the juice of the post :-(
Aug 05th 2014
77
                     worst than IMO:
Aug 05th 2014
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           *updates database*
Aug 05th 2014
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           ^^^^^double barrows
Aug 05th 2014
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           STFU!
Aug 05th 2014
50
           Depends on age of child. Minor child, yes. Adult child, no.
Aug 05th 2014
45
lol
Aug 05th 2014
41
We are arguing because this doesn't make sense
Aug 05th 2014
110
how do you and your husband handle that?
Aug 05th 2014
134
easy to say, hard to do.
Aug 05th 2014
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it must be a tough balancing act.
Aug 05th 2014
35
adult kids sure
Aug 05th 2014
34
1 year olds are pretty stupid.
Aug 05th 2014
36
Why dont God allow man-to-man to create a offspring?
Aug 05th 2014
38
Children are typiclly affected GREATLY by divorce.
Aug 05th 2014
39
yessir!
Aug 05th 2014
60
having kids is like having an affair that your spouse is OK with
Aug 05th 2014
44
Warren Jeffs agrees.
Aug 05th 2014
49
that's a very good analogy b/c neglected spouses rarely feel
Aug 05th 2014
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      it's a great analogy b/c it allows us to think of our kids as sex object...
Aug 05th 2014
56
RE: spouse > kids.
Aug 05th 2014
51
any kid who doesn't save his drowning mother should be grounded.
Aug 05th 2014
53
you can make another kid...
Aug 05th 2014
55
      plus kids make great pallbearers at the dead spouse's funeral.
Aug 05th 2014
57
           no the kids would read the eulogy
Aug 05th 2014
95
                kids can't read, silly!
Aug 05th 2014
115
Yes. I've never seen the lopsidedness of relationships in full
Aug 05th 2014
58
and like an oxygen mask sometimes the marital bag doesn't inflate.
Aug 05th 2014
59
Bwahaha! I <3 u.
Aug 05th 2014
62
How many kids you got?
Aug 05th 2014
66
this may be the man's wishes
Aug 05th 2014
84
I'm friends with a successful black woman writer on FB
Aug 05th 2014
99
kid> baby daddy
Aug 05th 2014
61
yes b/c the kids can be more easily manipulated.
Aug 05th 2014
63
      Who hurt you?
Aug 05th 2014
73
           i hurt myself when i fell off my bicycle.
Aug 05th 2014
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                Did your mom manipulate you into feeling better
Aug 05th 2014
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                     yes. yes she did! and now i just...
Aug 05th 2014
90
                          and where was that dad of yours
Aug 05th 2014
129
                               on top uh me.
Aug 05th 2014
135
                                    I laffed. u a sick fuck you know that?
Aug 05th 2014
150
you gotta be fuckin kidding--
Aug 05th 2014
64
yeah. everybody knows kids are more important b/c their
Aug 05th 2014
65
lol this site is the worst on family shit
Aug 05th 2014
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i'm sure Joseph Kennedy and John Rockefeller put their kids first.
Aug 05th 2014
70
Bullshit equation
Aug 05th 2014
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it is a bullshit equation b/c it's missing an equal sign.
Aug 05th 2014
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      Can only say
Aug 05th 2014
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           it's unfair to look from the outside when
Aug 05th 2014
114
no one should go neglected
Aug 05th 2014
79
kids like being tag-teamed.
Aug 05th 2014
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Who would yall beat first, your spouse or your kids?
Aug 05th 2014
81
sidenote: i always wonder how many women beaters and
Aug 05th 2014
83
First Pets, then Children, then spouse.
Aug 05th 2014
86
dick >>>> kids >>>> spouse
Aug 05th 2014
88
damn i missed this.
Aug 05th 2014
97
its more likely to be illegal to beat your spouse sooooo...
Aug 05th 2014
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I love to see how people interpret things like this. Thanks.
Aug 05th 2014
92
few people think they're neglecting their spouse though...
Aug 05th 2014
104
I'm almost positive childless longterm couples have more sex
Aug 05th 2014
93
Indeed, cuz she can be like "OMG WHERE DA KIDS?"
Aug 05th 2014
94
^^^Ayelet Waldman
Aug 05th 2014
96
Exactly what came to my mind
Aug 05th 2014
102
i can't believe this was 10 years ago.
Aug 05th 2014
103
time gets faster as you get older
Aug 05th 2014
131
Full disclosure: I really dislike Ayelet Waldman
Aug 05th 2014
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      her kids might be sexier than her husband but she's blind to it.
Aug 05th 2014
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      Full disclosure: I don't disagree
Aug 05th 2014
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           ^
Aug 05th 2014
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Credibility issues of the author aside....
Aug 05th 2014
137
God, Spouse, Kids
Aug 05th 2014
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you love me less than Jesus
Aug 05th 2014
100
Um, no.
Aug 05th 2014
105
To me, if its all about her kids she just married me for my sperm
Aug 05th 2014
107
she might have also married you for your hands.
Aug 05th 2014
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lol. I love you.
Aug 05th 2014
109
YT dogs > spouse > kids.
Aug 05th 2014
113
what about Indian dogs?
Aug 05th 2014
118
depends.
Aug 05th 2014
119
^as it should be
Aug 05th 2014
124
RE: spouse > kids.
Aug 05th 2014
120
but how can something optional be put in front of smthg mandatory?
Aug 05th 2014
121
      b/c it's illegal for the kids to put out and illegal for the spouse not ...
Aug 05th 2014
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           that was a serious question i asked but aight den sir. lol.
Aug 05th 2014
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                ain't nobody talking about neglecting anyone.
Aug 05th 2014
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                     yeah neglect was the wrong word. but as a parent i cant see
Aug 05th 2014
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                          i bet you can't see lots of things.
Aug 05th 2014
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                               perhaps.
Aug 05th 2014
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lol
Aug 05th 2014
133
Yep. I love it when SoWhat rouses rabble.
Aug 05th 2014
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Yep, it was set up EXCELLENTLY.
Aug 05th 2014
139
I like to keep my options open
Aug 05th 2014
140
Naked & Afraid has changed the way i evaluate men.
Aug 05th 2014
141
I was hoping you meant
Aug 05th 2014
152
lmao - Y'all are a mess.
Aug 05th 2014
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That's like saying "Quarterback >>> receivers."
Aug 05th 2014
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yes. and QBs are better than receivers and more important to the team.
Aug 05th 2014
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Aren't receivers "wide"?
Aug 05th 2014
153
no.
Aug 06th 2014
154
well that sure settles the matter.
Aug 06th 2014
157
I'm glad that me & wifey havent had kids yet.
Aug 06th 2014
155
i'm glad too.
Aug 06th 2014
156

ThaAnthology
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1. "nah yo"
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2. "right. and it leaves space for the kids to come between the couple."
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which is always great. kids should interfere in a marriage.

fuck you.

  

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74. "Dude that makes no sense at all. "
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Not none. And I normally ride with you.

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78. "did you call 'shotgun' this time?"
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you usually do.

fuck you.

  

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108. "more than likely"
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3. "I hate the way family is discussed on here"
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It's not that my husband comes before our kids. It's more like I have to remember that my role as a wife is just as important as being a Mom. So after we put the kids to bed, I don't just ignore my husband and put a satin bonnet on. I think of special things that we can do together. Sometimes I make a special desert for him that the kids don't get. Men can get jealous lol.

He does the same for me. Having assistance from our extended fam also helps a lot. Ughh...some of y'all discuss family like its some zero-sum game. It's a balancing act more than anything.

  

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5. "^^wisdom^^"
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take notes non-married & childless folks

"A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan" (c) Martin Luther King Jr.

  

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10. "family = Mad Max-style competition for attention/affection."
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fuck you.

  

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24. "I C U"
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52. "RE: I hate the way family is discussed on here"
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Amen.

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106. "RE: I hate the way family is discussed on here"
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>It's not that my husband comes before our kids. It's more
>like I have to remember that my role as a wife is just as
>important as being a Mom. So after we put the kids to bed, I
>don't just ignore my husband and put a satin bonnet on. I
>think of special things that we can do together. Sometimes I
>make a special desert for him that the kids don't get. Men can
>get jealous lol.
>
>He does the same for me. Having assistance from our extended
>fam also helps a lot. Ughh...some of y'all discuss family like
>its some zero-sum game. It's a balancing act more than
>anything.


How DARE you make sense amongst the OKP contingent!! DOPE!!! *Salutes*

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143. "agreed, it almost scares me that people think this way"
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i always assumed married people/parents were somehow more mature than i was. well, i guess they are, but it's a low bar to clear.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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144. "sticks and stones break bones but thoughts will fuck you up."
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so it's good to be almost scared or even actually scared of thoughts ppl think about issues that have no bearing on your life.

fuck you.

  

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145. "zackly. "
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4. "(having neither spouse nor kids) that thinking seems unnecessary"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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6. "selfish people please stay single"
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8. "or just don't have kids....lol"
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9. "being selfish doesn't go too well in a relationship either."
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19. "Very True..."
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But as it relates to kids creating a rift between two partners...if it's not something you're built for...don't have em

Even saying all that...you made a legal vow to your spouse not your kids. When the kids leave in 18 years you still have to live with your spouse.




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22. "both..."
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I know people who can't get past themselves so kids are out of the question...

most of these people also struggle with an SO too because its all about them all the damn time.

  

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132. "It's funny that people get characterized as selfish for not wanting kids"
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because a fuck ton of people have children because they want something that they own and control, something that will love them unconditionally, and/or something that reflects their greatness. How unselfish is that?

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146. "nah that's not what happened there. "
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i mean you are right, but that is not what that poster meant.

  

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148. "yeah, that's what happened there."
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fuck you.

  

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151. "yup"
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7. "it's all one family, and that should be anyone's first priority"
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everybody in the family is just as important as everybody else.

  

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11. "would Machiavelli agree?"
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Tue Aug-05-14 09:26 AM by SoWhat

  

          

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fuck you.

  

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13. "who cares"
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haha

  

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15. "i think his family does."
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i mean, i hope so. but maybe they didn't.

fuck you.

  

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18. "haha, yeah i guess they probably cared"
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12. "if push comes to shove, we can always manufacture another kid."
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smh

  

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16. "right. that's how Henry Ford saw the issue and i agree."
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fuck you.

  

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14. "It's not a binary equation. "
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17. "polygamy is still illegal/unrecognized."
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so for all intents and purposes we're dealing w/a binary equation. but maybe there are collateral imaginary numbers.

fuck you.

  

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30. "I'm saying there are more than two absolute answers. "
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33. "it ain't no fun if the homies can't have none."
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it's all good if that's how one gets down.

fuck you.

  

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20. "if not divorce, a very unfulfilling marriage."
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People I know who say stuff like "yeah, i'm just about my kids, my spouse is whatever?"

Their marriages are kinda like a Cold War standoff.

The past is my foundation, not my preoccupation.

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28. "i think marriage is understood as something that will be miserable"
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or end in divorce half the time though.

it depends on your perspective.

  

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112. "??? I don't understand the point"
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The past is my foundation, not my preoccupation.

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21. "Do gay guys have the bond with child like breeders?"
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OKP be on some goodsamaritan kumbaya shit

Your kids dictate a level of support from you that a spouse does/should not

You can divorce a spouse
You cant divorce your kids

Its not an everyday struggle
But if I didnt feel like doing some shit that only affects my wife, i might not do it (right then)
But if it is some shit that affects my child, im doing it asap

Backwards never, forwards ever

Seems like one partner in the gay experience will be missing out if yall do a surrogate half.
There is nothing that can explain what it feels like to know another being was created from your body.
Having your mannerisms even at only a few hrs old
And you see that more and more as time goes on

  

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"its a delicate balance i would assume"


  

          

but i cant see putting the spouse over a small child

definitely a grown child, but not a baby

and the children shouldnt be involved in the marriage - that isnt said correctly, but i cant properly articulate what i mean.

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25. "kids don't need to be involved in grown folks business."
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that kinda what you mean?

the marriage should be something that the spouses work on together and is exclusive to those 2 people. the kids are an entity somewhat outside of the marriage.

am i close?

nothing worse than feuding (or divorced/separated/not married) couples using their children as pawns.

  

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26. "well, babies are more important than anything ever created."
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fuck you.

  

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27. "^"
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23. "Yes. "
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_________________________________
...my two cents

Golden.

  

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29. "the sad thing is people take pride in putting their kids first"
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then they wind up neglecting their spouse and getting divorced which harms their children far more than not making the kids their priority and center of attention every single waking moment.

  

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32. "LoL"
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I swear okp love spoutin bout shit they have no experience

Niggas dont even have a wishful hope of a boyfriend but giving parenting and marital advice.

LoL

  

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37. "it's an observation and clearly it makes you mad."
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but idc.

  

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40. "Yes becuz you have no idea until you are faced with those decisions"
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Its not so binary and drastic
But there are certain times you have to and will place your child in front of your spouse.

Until I had a child I never knew THAT type of love.
Totally diff experience.

  

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42. "Are we talking about exceptions or in general tho?"
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Are there times you gotta put your kid in front of your spouse, OF COURSE! Should that be your daily MO? I think not.

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43. "i think kids should be in front of the spouse in pictures."
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b/c the kids are usually short and can't be seen otherwise.

and they should also be in front of the spouse in line @ the buffet. b/c the spouse can help make the kids' plate.

fuck you.

  

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46. "haha"
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47. "LOL."
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>b/c the kids are usually short and can't be seen otherwise.
>
>and they should also be in front of the spouse in line @ the
>buffet. b/c the spouse can help make the kids' plate.

  

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48. "I dont think gays should be able to adopt."
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Marriage?
Eh who cares.
But same sex couple adoptions fux with the equillibrium of the universe.

  

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67. "^^^ MAD"
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LOL

  

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71. "everyone had been doing such a good job at ignoring him...smh"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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75. "Thats cause this milkshake is HARD to resist."
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Hunty
Okaaaaaaaaay

hi goldie.

  

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77. "I just got here and scrolled down to the juice of the post :-("
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Forgot that he's the new Mica.

  

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80. "worst than IMO:"
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>Forgot that he's the new Mica.
>
>

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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85. "*updates database*"
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87. "^^^^^double barrows"
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50. "STFU!"
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lol

You in here clowning.

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45. "Depends on age of child. Minor child, yes. Adult child, no."
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If I died today my wife can carry on for herself just fine.
But my infant daughter would need another caregiver.

I dunno.
Maybe folk just seafood differently.

  

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41. "lol"
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110. "We are arguing because this doesn't make sense"
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Any couple that break up BECAUSE of the kids, is lying to you. Couples break up for couple reasons. Couple reasons are not typically their kids. Kids are a blessing. Kids did not ask to be brought here. If the parents brought them in, then it is their responsibility to take care of them.

If the same parents can't stand each other, that's their bag. It has nothing and should have nothing to do with the kids.

If you are neglecting your partner... YOU. are neglecting YOUR partner. Period. Don't assign a reason or blame to it, accept it.

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134. "how do you and your husband handle that?"
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31. "easy to say, hard to do."
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35. "it must be a tough balancing act."
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fuck you.

  

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34. "adult kids sure"
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1 yr old?
that's just stupid

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36. "1 year olds are pretty stupid."
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fuck you.

  

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38. "Why dont God allow man-to-man to create a offspring?"
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Illegalize it.

  

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39. "Children are typiclly affected GREATLY by divorce."
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Being a good parent NECESITATES being a good spouse.

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60. "yessir!"
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44. "having kids is like having an affair that your spouse is OK with"
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a woman said this to my wife.

She said the love for your kid is just...different.

  

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49. "Warren Jeffs agrees."
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fuck you.

  

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54. "that's a very good analogy b/c neglected spouses rarely feel"
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bad about cheating.

  

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56. "it's a great analogy b/c it allows us to think of our kids as sex object..."
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and everyone feels great doing that.

fuck you.

  

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51. "RE: spouse > kids."
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Let me break this down for y'all. Lemme tell ya a story

My hubby's best friend had a child with a woman. The lil girl was 2 months old. And she asked this question.

If both of us are drowning, who would you save?

He said...my child.

They broke up not long after.

If you are with a woman who thinks like this...RUN!

If it's life or death, always pick the child.

I love my hubby and he knows he's my King. And I know I'm his Queen. But she is our princess and she is just as important. I agree that your spouse needs to know she's first in your marriage. But once you become parents it is your job to work as one to raise that child. So I say both are equally important, but you have to learn to balance putting your spouse first and putting your kid first.

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53. "any kid who doesn't save his drowning mother should be grounded."
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fuck you.

  

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55. "you can make another kid..."
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you might not can find another husband/wife tho.

J/K.

In my family it's kids first across the board when it comes to saving people, then adults.

  

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57. "plus kids make great pallbearers at the dead spouse's funeral."
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fuck you.

  

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95. "no the kids would read the eulogy "
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and my relatives would hold the casket.
makes sense.

honestly I think this is a personal decision and ppl should do what works for them...i don't have kids and i'm not married, so I can't call it.

  

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115. "kids can't read, silly!"
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fuck you.

  

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58. "Yes. I've never seen the lopsidedness of relationships in full"
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blast until the creation of Facebook.
If I used FB to interpret the way people want to be perceived, then it's a lot of married women that are single mom's let their timeline photos tell it because there's nary a mention of them doing anything with their spouse. This is fine I guess, but a bit overkill in the "doting on my kids department". But then again I'm also one of those people that doesn't think anything like pics and stuff of little one's belong on social media en masse. Too many weirdos out there. We're pulling a Yonce where all you'll see is feet and the back of my baby's head.

I do believe that the relationship of the adults has to be intact in order for either person to be the best parent they can be. It's like they tell you on an airplane, place the oxygen mask on yourself first before you assist anyone else. Your relationship with your spouse is the oxygen mask. You can't help your children without having your own needs met first.



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59. "and like an oxygen mask sometimes the marital bag doesn't inflate."
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but that's why God created Viagra.

fuck you.

  

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62. "Bwahaha! I <3 u."
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66. "How many kids you got?"
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Have you thought like this since your firstborn?
Has your husband always been in lockstep with this line of thinking?

  

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84. "this may be the man's wishes "
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> it's a lot of married women that are single mom's let
>their timeline photos tell it because there's nary a mention
>of them doing anything with their spouse. This is fine I
>guess, but a bit overkill in the "doting on my kids
>department".


know a chick who basically chronicles every waking moment of her preschooler
no pic/vid of the husband in sight, ever
you'd think she was a welfare mom if you didn't know she was a stay at home mom and half the pictures were of them on out of state vacations
for whatever reason the dude wants no parts of her FB account lol

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99. "I'm friends with a successful black woman writer on FB"
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She posts about her kid a lot. She never posts about her husband. In fact, I didn't realize she was married until one day she made a post about the fact that she is. In the post, she said that her husband is also an accomplished writer -- in fact, they are in the same field and cover the same topics in their work. But they don't follow one another on social media or post about their relationship, so few people on Facebook know they are married. And they like it that way, because sometimes putting marital details, even positive or neutral ones, out there invites gossip -- and attracts the attention of envious people and homewreckers. Plus they see more than enough of each other offline, so why follow or track each other in the digital realm?

So I can see the case for not posting about your happy marriage on FB.

  

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61. "kid> baby daddy"
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♥♥Church Diva♥♥

  

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63. "yes b/c the kids can be more easily manipulated."
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fuck you.

  

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73. "Who hurt you?"
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♥♥Church Diva♥♥

  

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76. "i hurt myself when i fell off my bicycle."
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i scraped all the skin off my elbow. i thought i could see the bone! it hurt.

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89. "Did your mom manipulate you into feeling better"
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Since your dad wasn't around or something?


♥♥Church Diva♥♥

  

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90. "yes. yes she did! and now i just..."
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i haven't been the same since then, godlee.

this is a BREAKTHROUGH moment right here.

suddenly...so much of my life makes sense now.

now i have context for so many of the decisions i've made in my life.

all b/c you cracked the code, player.

b/c you asked that question...i just...i'd never thought of this before now.

it ALL goes back to that day when i fell and mom manipulated me into feeling better.

it's the reason for all of it.

it's all coming back to me now. like a Celine Dion song.

fuck you.

  

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129. "and where was that dad of yours"
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♥♥Church Diva♥♥

  

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135. "on top uh me."
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fuck you.

  

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150. "I laffed. u a sick fuck you know that?"
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♥♥Church Diva♥♥

  

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64. "you gotta be fuckin kidding--"
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hell no

edit: oh this was a joke post, my bad

  

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65. "yeah. everybody knows kids are more important b/c their"
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bodies are smaller and can fit in tight spaces easier which makes disposal a breeze! disposing of an adult spouse is so much more drama.

fuck you.

  

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68. "lol this site is the worst on family shit"
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Everything isnt binary as someone pointed out

but if you're spouse isnt putting kid(s) first up until they reach a certain age...Then you married the wrong gotdamn person.


Yes I'll be with my wife for the rest of my life but our kids are about our legacy to the world and the good things we can pass down --much bigger than us as individuals or as a couple.

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70. "i'm sure Joseph Kennedy and John Rockefeller put their kids first."
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fuck you.

  

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69. "Bullshit equation"
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You made the rug rats together since we are specifically talking about married folks, so it's only right that they are the front runners in the family circle. It should have been agreed on before you had them. Our little rug rats needs come first until they hit college age and they have to fend for themselves. Now second marriage and grown ass kids that equation is disastrous .
Shit happens

  

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72. "it is a bullshit equation b/c it's missing an equal sign."
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fuck you.

  

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101. "Can only say"
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If and when you marry and have children you will understand . Looking from the outside in it does look unfair but....
Shit happens

  

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114. "it's unfair to look from the outside when"
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the inside looks so much better.

fuck you.

  

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79. "no one should go neglected"
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optimally, husband and wife take care of each other and take care of children together

  

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82. "kids like being tag-teamed."
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fuck you.

  

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81. "Who would yall beat first, your spouse or your kids?"
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Exactly. That leather belt don't lie.



  

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83. "sidenote: i always wonder how many women beaters and "
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absentee fathers post here and how mad they probably get when related posts come up and how some tell on themselves...am i the only one who does that

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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86. "First Pets, then Children, then spouse."
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I'm on the Dexter plan.

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88. "dick >>>> kids >>>> spouse "
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97. "damn i missed this."
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***
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91. "its more likely to be illegal to beat your spouse sooooo..."
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***
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92. "I love to see how people interpret things like this. Thanks."
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Everything is so absolute.

Like if you agree with this you're neglecting your kids or vice versa.
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Golden.

  

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104. "few people think they're neglecting their spouse though..."
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and the attitude that kids should come first often leaves spouses - often husbands - feeling like they have no right to complain and just going elsewhere for companionship.

  

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93. "I'm almost positive childless longterm couples have more sex "
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more sex than their counterparts I mean

  

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94. "Indeed, cuz she can be like "OMG WHERE DA KIDS?" "
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...and you can hit her back with "...ain't see them in a few days.. SO LETS MAKE SOME MOAR!! ;D "

  

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96. "^^^Ayelet Waldman"
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Here's her semi-famous article she wrote for the NY Times almost 10 years ago.

Here's the money graph:

"It is his face that inspires in me paroxysms of infatuated devotion. If a good mother is one who loves her child more than anyone else in the world, I am not a good mother. I am in fact a bad mother. I love my husband more than I love my children."



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/27/fashion/27love.html?_r=0

Truly, Madly, Guiltily

By AYELET WALDMAN

Published: March 27, 2005

I have been in many mothers' groups - Mommy and Me, Gymboree, Second-Time Moms - and each time, within three minutes, the conversation invariably comes around to the topic of how often mommy feels compelled to put out. Everyone wants to be reassured that no one else is having sex either. These are women who, for the most part, are comfortable with their bodies, consider themselves sexual beings. These are women who love their husbands or partners. Still, almost none of them are having any sex.

There are agreed upon reasons for this bed death. They are exhausted. It still hurts. They are so physically available to their babies - nursing, carrying, stroking - how could they bear to be physically available to anyone else?

But the real reason for this lack of sex, or at least the most profound, is that the wife's passion has been refocused. Instead of concentrating her ardor on her husband, she concentrates it on her babies. Where once her husband was the center of her passionate universe, there is now a new sun in whose orbit she revolves. Libido, as she once knew it, is gone, and in its place is all-consuming maternal desire. There is absolute unanimity on this topic, and instant reassurance.

Except, that is, from me.

I am the only woman in Mommy and Me who seems to be, well, getting any. This could fill me with smug well-being. I could sit in the room and gloat over my wonderful marriage. I could think about how our sex life - always vital, even torrid - is more exciting and imaginative now than it was when we first met. I could check my watch to see if I have time to stop at Good Vibrations to see if they have any exciting new toys. I could even gaze pityingly at the other mothers in the group, wishing that they too could experience a love as deep as my own.

But I don't. I am far too busy worrying about what's wrong with me. Why, of all the women in the room, am I the only one who has not made the erotic transition a good mother is supposed to make? Why am I the only one incapable of placing her children at the center of her passionate universe?

WHEN my first daughter was born, my husband held her in his hands and said, "My God, she's so beautiful."

I unwrapped the baby from her blankets. She was average size, with long thin fingers and a random assortment of toes. Her eyes were close set, and she had her father's hooked nose. It looked better on him.

She looked like a newborn baby, red and scrawny, blotchy faced and mewling. I don't remember what I said to my husband. Actually I remember very little of my Percocet- and Vicodin-fogged first few days of motherhood except for someone calling and squealing, "Aren't you just completely in love?" And of course I was. Just not with my baby.

I do love her. But I'm not in love with her. Nor with her two brothers or sister. Yes, I have four children. Four children with whom I spend a good part of every day: bathing them, combing their hair, sitting with them while they do their homework, holding them while they weep their tragic tears. But I'm not in love with any of them. I am in love with my husband.

It is his face that inspires in me paroxysms of infatuated devotion. If a good mother is one who loves her child more than anyone else in the world, I am not a good mother. I am in fact a bad mother. I love my husband more than I love my children.

An example: I often engage in the parental pastime known as God Forbid. What if, God forbid, someone were to snatch one of my children? God forbid. I imagine what it would feel like to lose one or even all of them. I imagine myself consumed, destroyed by the pain. And yet, in these imaginings, there is always a future beyond the child's death. Because if I were to lose one of my children, God forbid, even if I lost all my children, God forbid, I would still have him, my husband.

But my imagination simply fails me when I try to picture a future beyond my husband's death. Of course I would have to live. I have four children, a mortgage, work to do. But I can imagine no joy without my husband.

I don't think the other mothers at Mommy and Me feel this way. I know they would be absolutely devastated if they found themselves widowed. But any one of them would sacrifice anything, including their husbands, for their children.

Can my bad motherhood be my husband's fault? Perhaps he just inspires more complete adoration than other husbands. He cooks, cleans, cares for the children at least 50 percent of the time.

If the most erotic form of foreplay to a mother of a small child is, as I've heard some women claim, loading the dishwasher or sweeping the floor, then he's a master of titillation.

He's handsome, brilliant and successful. But he can also be scatterbrained, antisocial and arrogant. He is a bad dancer, and he knows far too much about Klingon politics and the lyrics to Yes songs. All in all, he's not that much better than other men. The fault must be my own.

I am trying to remember those first days and weeks after giving birth. I know that my sexual longing for my husband took a while to return. I recall not wanting to make love. I did not even want to cuddle. At times I felt that if my husband's hand were to accidentally brush against my breast while reaching for the saltshaker, I would saw it off with the butter knife.

Even now I am not always in the mood. By the time the children go to bed, I am as drained as any mother who has spent her day working, car pooling, building Lego castles and shopping for the precisely correct soccer cleat. I am also a compulsive reader. Put together fatigue and bookwormishness, and you could have a situation in which nobody ever gets any. Except that when I catch a glimpse of my husband from the corner of my eye - his smooth, round shoulders, his bright-blue eyes through the magnification of his reading glasses - I fold over the page of my novel.

Sometimes I think I am alone in this obsession with my spouse. Sometimes I think my husband does not feel as I do. He loves the children the way a mother is supposed to. He has put them at the center of his world. But he is a man and thus possesses a strong libido. Having found something to usurp me as the sun of his universe does not mean he wants to make love to me any less.

And yet, he says I am wrong. He says he loves me as I love him. Every so often we escape from the children for a few days. We talk about our love, about how much we love each other's bodies and brains, about the things that make us happy in our marriage.

During the course of these meandering and exhilarating conversations, we touch each other, we start to make love, we stop.

And afterward my husband will say that we, he and I, are the core of what he cherishes, that the children are satellites, beloved but tangential.

He seems entirely unperturbed by loving me like this. Loving me more than his children does not bother him. It does not make him feel like a bad father. He does not feel that loving me more than he loves them is a kind of infidelity.

And neither, I suppose, should I. I should not use that wretched phrase "bad mother." At the very least, I should allow that, if nothing else, I am good enough. I do know this: When I look around the room at the other mothers in the group, I know that I would not change places with any of them.

I wish some learned sociologist would publish a definitive study of marriages where the parents are desperately, ardently in love, where the parents love each other even more than they love the children. It would be wonderful if it could be established, once and for all, that the children of these marriages are more successful, happier, live longer and have healthier lives than children whose mothers focus their desires and passions on them.

BUT even in the likely event that this study is not forthcoming, even in the event that I face a day of reckoning in which my children, God forbid, become heroin addicts or, God forbid, are unable to form decent attachments and wander from one miserable and unsatisfying relationship to another, or, God forbid, other things too awful even to imagine befall them, I cannot regret that when I look at my husband I still feel the same quickening of desire that I felt 12 years ago when I saw him for the first time, standing in the lobby of my apartment building, a bouquet of purple irises in his hands.

And if my children resent having been moons rather than the sun? If they berate me for not having loved them enough? If they call me a bad mother?

I will tell them that I wish for them a love like I have for their father. I will tell them that they are my children, and they deserve both to love and be loved like that. I will tell them to settle for nothing less than what they saw when they looked at me, looking at him.

Ayelet Waldman is the author of the novel "Daughter's Keeper." This essay is adapted from "Because I Said So: 33 Mothers Write About Children, Sex, Men, Aging, Faith, Race and Themselves" to be published by HarperCollins next month.

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102. "Exactly what came to my mind"
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thanks for finding this & posting it

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103. "i can't believe this was 10 years ago."
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i saw her on oprah and it definitely informed my opinion on this matter.

  

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131. "time gets faster as you get older"
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oh yeah

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111. "Full disclosure: I really dislike Ayelet Waldman"
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(Note: my opinion of Ayelet Waldman do not reflect my opinions on SoWhat)

But yeah, I find her to be a mentally unstable, self-promoting loon and this essay is unspeakably smug and self-aggrandizing. And as I say that as a happily childless married man.

The fact that she wrote this and then acted shocked, yes, shocked that it could possibly illicit such vocal opinions is extremely disingenuous. The "Oh, poor me!" stuff that followed was equally offensive.

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116. "her kids might be sexier than her husband but she's blind to it."
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fuck you.

  

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130. "Full disclosure: I don't disagree"
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but I'm glad this essay is out there. The veracity of the statement does not depend on the credibility of the speaker.

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136. "^"
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137. "Credibility issues of the author aside...."
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I hope to god I find a woman that loves me like that!

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98. "God, Spouse, Kids"
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living everyday grateful for his grace!

  

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100. "you love me less than Jesus"
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Sure he died for your sins, but that was 2000 years ago, what has he done for you lately?

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105. "Um, no."
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107. "To me, if its all about her kids she just married me for my sperm"
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Thats basically how most guys feel about it IMHO

Women hate to hear this but its truth

  

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117. "she might have also married you for your hands."
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fuck you.

  

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abby
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109. "lol. I love you."
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113. "YT dogs > spouse > kids."
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118. "what about Indian dogs?"
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fuck you.

  

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119. "depends. "
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124. "^as it should be"
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BKDominican
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120. "RE: spouse > kids."
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YES YES YES!

I love my two daughters and they are my entire heart but I do not put them ahead of my wife. Marriage is optional and needs to be handled differently than rearing children.

  

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121. "but how can something optional be put in front of smthg mandatory?"
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even tho it is advised, it is not mandatory that you take care of your wife, and if you dont, you face divorce. if you neglect your children, you face having your kids taken away, and possibly jail. how is your spouse more important that the kids that did not ask to be created or brought forth, but must be cared for and nurtured?

>YES YES YES!
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>I love my two daughters and they are my entire heart but I do
>not put them ahead of my wife. Marriage is optional and needs
>to be handled differently than rearing children.
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122. "b/c it's illegal for the kids to put out and illegal for the spouse not ..."
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so for that reason it's safer to put the spouse first.

fuck you.

  

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123. "that was a serious question i asked but aight den sir. lol."
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125. "ain't nobody talking about neglecting anyone."
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you brought that up.

putting the spouse first doesn't mean the kids are neglected. it means remembering that marriage is y'all against the world. the 2 of you above all others. it means not neglecting the spouse b/c of the kids. it means putting the marriage first b/c kids fare better when they're raised in a happy household. if the marriage is solid the kids will be alright, generally. so, put the marriage first. don't make the spouse an afterthought b/c one is SO focused on the kids.

that's what i've heard the ppl say.

fuck you.

  

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126. "yeah neglect was the wrong word. but as a parent i cant see"
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putting anyone before my kid. but to each his own tho

edit: and really i just mentioned neglect to show how the law deals with treatment of spouse vs offspring in terms of severity.

  

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127. "i bet you can't see lots of things."
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fuck you.

  

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128. "perhaps."
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133. "lol"
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This post was the equivalent of a wooden box, box propped up by a stick attached to a string, with a piece of cheese under it

Excellent work

  

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138. "Yep. I love it when SoWhat rouses rabble."
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139. "Yep, it was set up EXCELLENTLY."
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140. "I like to keep my options open"
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Say we are on an island
Babies and toddlers gotta go
They can't help

Then it depends on the type of husband you got
Does he eat too much?
Can't hunt?
Also gotta go

Do you have a caring but ailing husband?
Pick the kids so you don't end up in a nursing home

Family is like monopoly of course
Keep those options open
Invest in everything
Go to jail if you need a quick Vacay away
And buy out...no wait...
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141. "Naked & Afraid has changed the way i evaluate men."
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i evaluate them for their survival skills now. i find most lacking in that area. which would be a real problem b/c i have NO survival skills at all so i need a man who can carry our team in that regard.

fuck you.

  

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152. "I was hoping you meant "
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How they looked naked

But fine fine
Sigh survival skills
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142. "lmao - Y'all are a mess."
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147. "That's like saying "Quarterback >>> receivers.""
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FOOL IT IS A TEAM WTF

  

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149. "yes. and QBs are better than receivers and more important to the team."
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that's why they usually get the big piece of chicken and low jersey numbers.

can't spell 'team' w/o QB. unless you're Canadian b/c they spell different up there.

fuck you.

  

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153. "Aren't receivers "wide"?"
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Unless it's the end of the world and you like fatty meat
Dump the wide one
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Bruce Belafonte
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154. "no."
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http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

#htpw

  

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157. "well that sure settles the matter. "
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fuck you.

  

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155. "I'm glad that me & wifey havent had kids yet."
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Certain shit you gotta get straight before pumpin out babies.
A lot of couples that split post-childbirth havent taken the time to really get to know each other.
I do think its just as selfish to have a child just so you can substitute the affection/attention in place of your spouses.
Not necessarily good or bad, but certainly not any less selfish.

  

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156. "i'm glad too."
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fuck you.

  

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