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daryloneal
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"So wait... This Tony Stewart guy kills someone......"


  

          

*insert Ray Rice/Micahel Vick comparison*

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i been waiting all weekend for #IfTonyStewartWasBlack
Aug 11th 2014
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Seems he's being given the benefit of the doubt in the media.
Aug 11th 2014
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^^^ i been waiting all weekend for #IfTonyStewartWasBlack
Aug 11th 2014
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I was thinking "What if Kevin Ward was black?"
Aug 11th 2014
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      most people are already putting the brunt of the blame on Ward
Aug 12th 2014
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"business as usual" - his manager
Aug 11th 2014
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sh*t is bananas.
Aug 11th 2014
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I haven't watched the clip...
Aug 11th 2014
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that was definitely part of my initial reaction (eg. WTF is he doing?)
Aug 11th 2014
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I think it's on both of them
Aug 11th 2014
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what he did was dumb but it happens all the time
Aug 11th 2014
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      all the time. nobody speeds thru a caution AT THE CRASH SITE.
Aug 11th 2014
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      that's the other thing, the flag was out. other drivers avoided
Aug 11th 2014
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           but it was easier for other drivers to avoid him
Aug 12th 2014
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      they ain't going 150 on a yellow
Aug 11th 2014
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oh, the gawker thinkpieces are being fervently typed up right now.
Aug 11th 2014
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white people's infatuation with "being shown up" strikes again
Aug 11th 2014
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Dude got killed by his own hotheadedness.
Aug 11th 2014
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Yeah, that nigga hopped through like 2 lanes of traffic
Aug 11th 2014
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      Guy thought he was in Wacky Races
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      they do it all the time tho...
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           They do, but it's fucking dangerous.
Aug 11th 2014
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                That's *why* it's considered a 'rebel' sport, I suppose.
Aug 11th 2014
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i watched the clip....dude ran out into that traffic
Aug 11th 2014
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e "provoked" the collision
Aug 11th 2014
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I mean this happened in the course of competition
Aug 11th 2014
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it's not a coincidence.
Aug 11th 2014
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he wasn't directly in front of him.
Aug 11th 2014
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      he was weaving around that first car to confront Stewart's car
Aug 11th 2014
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           lol no.
Aug 11th 2014
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                k.
Aug 11th 2014
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not exactly. it was a race under caution
Aug 11th 2014
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Stewart tried the fake hit move and actually hit Ward by accident.
Aug 11th 2014
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by fake hit move you mean swerve toward him and swerve
Aug 11th 2014
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      Yup.. Coffee.. I needed it. But "Fake hit move" sounded cool.
Aug 11th 2014
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I'm in Nascar country, sports radio has been all over it.
Aug 11th 2014
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i dont follow the sport and even i know he is a prick
Aug 11th 2014
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      I follow sports but I don't follow Nascar...
Aug 11th 2014
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           yeah....in addition to prolly being the best pure driver...
Aug 11th 2014
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           he got into a fight with a photographer or something, i recall that
Aug 11th 2014
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nothing more tragic than white on white violence
Aug 11th 2014
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Ward's family need to sue the tire company and the race track
Aug 11th 2014
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How does this compare to Donte Stallworth?
Aug 11th 2014
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geez, man...this doesn't compare to Stallworth at all...
Aug 11th 2014
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      but OTHER THAN THAT it's pretty much the same
Aug 11th 2014
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      BOTH CARS HAD 4 TIRES!!!
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           to answer seriously, both involved a negligent pedestrian
Aug 12th 2014
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      ... You know someone will ask this question especially if Stewart is cha...
Aug 11th 2014
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           How'd that class action you opted out of work out?
Aug 11th 2014
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                I never said, I opted out....
Aug 11th 2014
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                     i thought you decided not to based on quick math
Aug 11th 2014
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                          u a fan bc u aware of his stupidity hilarious
Aug 11th 2014
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                          First off, I'm not stupid and Second, following a dude around OKP...
Aug 11th 2014
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                          I'm not you so I don't cry to mods.
Aug 11th 2014
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didn't stewart have a wreck at the same track a couple yrs ago?
Aug 11th 2014
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Not the same track but same type of race
Aug 11th 2014
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      wait we're thinkin' of two different races...but around the
Aug 11th 2014
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wait a minuite...so two people CAN be responsible for a terrible outcome...
Aug 11th 2014
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I don't think there can be a comparison
Aug 11th 2014
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if a boxer punched another fighter long after the bell
Aug 11th 2014
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James Butler kinda did that to Richard Grant
Aug 11th 2014
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happened during the event, but wasn't necessarily "part of the game"
Aug 11th 2014
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      As far as NASCAR is concerned it's an unfortunate event
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           You see what you just did there though.
Aug 11th 2014
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                btw NASCAR has nothing to do with this, really.
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                My understanding is that when a crash occours
Aug 12th 2014
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                     It's absolutely speculation, but speculation is par for the course..
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not remotely the same
Aug 11th 2014
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we haven't seen enough to know that Ray Rice intended....
Aug 11th 2014
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what? that doesn't make any sense
Aug 12th 2014
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Never mind.
Aug 12th 2014
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well that was dumb as fuck lol
Aug 12th 2014
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right. I mean it does appear Stewart could've/should've done more
Aug 11th 2014
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how is this the same as Vick?
Aug 11th 2014
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it's moreso about the reluctance to treat Stewart like a criminal.
Aug 11th 2014
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      that's because Vick was conducting criminal activity though, no?
Aug 11th 2014
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           But that's the thing. Even the POSSIBILITY of it being a criminal act..
Aug 11th 2014
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                maybe. we also have to keep in mind this is NASCAR (auto racing)...
Aug 11th 2014
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                that's a lie
Aug 11th 2014
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                I haven't seen that. From the sports commentary I've seen...
Aug 11th 2014
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                     apparently you haven't been watching or reading any national news
Aug 12th 2014
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                          I didn't ask for your help. Carry on though.
Aug 12th 2014
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                               nigga you need help from somebody
Aug 12th 2014
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                                    right. that's it.
Aug 12th 2014
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                but the possibilty HAS been discussed....hella much
Aug 11th 2014
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                every report i've heard has mentioned the criminal investigation
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                i heard the county sheriff's press conference today
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                nah man cmon
Aug 11th 2014
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                     but this is my point. I'm not saying that journalists SHOULDN'T be fair....
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                          u fighting shadows yo
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                          We haven't seen the tape of him KO'ing his lady.
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                          Sorry dude but when it comes to think kind of "fair" ...
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                          First, I'm not angry.
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                               This incident isn't terribly unlike Marty McSorley, in my mind.
Aug 12th 2014
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                                    Not unless the goal is to change the subject.
Aug 12th 2014
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                                    but Vick and Ray Rice are good comparisons.
Aug 12th 2014
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                                    comparisons of how there is a difference in how THE MEDIA..
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                                         Jesus christ lmao
Aug 12th 2014
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                                              let's throw a trash can through a window at AP's main offices.
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                                              ion't even know how to respond man
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                                                   you're supposed to agree that the media treats black men
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                                                   always thought those starbucks frapp things at the gas station
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                                                        let's get it.
Aug 12th 2014
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                                                   You must believe that if Tony Stewart were black all would be the..
Aug 12th 2014
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                                                        If Tony Stewart was a black successful NASCAR driver
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                                                             Never mind.
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                                    the irony of that response is not lost on me
Aug 12th 2014
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                                         It is speculation, although I don't agree that it's "empty".
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                                              i just fail to see the connection and i'm not alone
Aug 12th 2014
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                                                   You don't have to see the connection, fam. No disrespect.
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                                                        How do you know it's worse?
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                                                             So my opinion should be based on what the courts do?
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                                                                  No, I'm saying media coverage shouldn't be based on opinions!
Aug 12th 2014
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                                                                       I agree it shouldn't be based on opinions. But true journalism..
Aug 12th 2014
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                                                                            we don't, i agree with your overarching point, just dont see context
Aug 12th 2014
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                                    RE: This incident isn't terribly unlike Marty McSorley, in my mind.
Aug 12th 2014
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                                         was hoping you'd weigh in on that
Aug 12th 2014
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                                              McSorley wrote about his side of it in a book about fighting
Aug 12th 2014
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                                                   interesting
Aug 12th 2014
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                                                        the funny thing to me all the crazy shit that happened in the past
Aug 12th 2014
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                          OK, largely true, WTF does it have to do with Tony Stewart?
Aug 12th 2014
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He's a white NASCAR driver from the south
Aug 12th 2014
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Sure, Indiana is pretty much "the South."
Aug 12th 2014
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      agreed.
Aug 12th 2014
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i'm waiting for the accident recreation
Aug 12th 2014
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nah.. these drivers get out of their cars all the time these days
Aug 12th 2014
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My whole thing is that dude wouldn't have died had he stayed....
Aug 12th 2014
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If you made no attempt to avoid him? Yes, you're responsible.
Aug 12th 2014
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Split second, and you froze up...
Aug 12th 2014
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      That could be anyone's defense.
Aug 12th 2014
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which one is black?
Aug 12th 2014
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      The driver is black... The pedestrian is Drake... n/m
Aug 12th 2014
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           ^ the Tiger Woods defense.
Aug 12th 2014
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That shit looks suspect as hell, on some "this mofo BETTER move..."
Aug 12th 2014
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he should be in jail
Aug 12th 2014
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lmao what?
Aug 12th 2014
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criminal damage to property, perhaps.
Aug 12th 2014
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those factors sort of negate anything being an accident
Aug 12th 2014
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      he could've been arrested for something other than hitting the car.
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           true, but all that moves the situation further away from relevance
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                yeppers.
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                i was sober
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                     . . .
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                     there is zero reason to think he was drunk lol
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negligent driving was the deal
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      negligence means it wasnt an accident tho
Aug 12th 2014
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were you drunk when you hit the car?
Aug 12th 2014
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      at the very LEAST, it was an accident
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           an accident means its not manslaughter
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           no, that's not really accurate, if i understand correctly
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           bruh do Sprint cars even have rear view mirrors?
Aug 12th 2014
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who knew a post about racing...
Aug 12th 2014
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it already happened in OKS on this same topic
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veritas
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1. "i been waiting all weekend for #IfTonyStewartWasBlack"
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LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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daryloneal
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8. "Seems he's being given the benefit of the doubt in the media."
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Mon Aug-11-14 10:50 AM by daryloneal

  

          

Not sure that would be the case otherwise.

People even are feeling sorry... FOR HIM!

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bentagain
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23. "^^^ i been waiting all weekend for #IfTonyStewartWasBlack"
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Bishes got all out in front of that Ray Rice story

WITHOUT SEEING THE ENTIRE VIDEO

same MFers with atrophysical Einstein Hawkins types of explainations for T Stewart

AFTER WATCHING HIM KILL A MAN!

*smh*

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60. "I was thinking "What if Kevin Ward was black?""
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There'd be CAC's coppin all kindsa pleas, tawnbout "Well, he shouldn'ta ran out on the track like that" and all kindsa shit.

We only need to look at this situation and the Michael Brown shooting on Saturday to see under what circumstances are they willing to place the brunt of the blame on the victim.

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107. "most people are already putting the brunt of the blame on Ward"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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CherNic
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2. ""business as usual" - his manager"
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who are we as a people anymore

  

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daryloneal
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4. "sh*t is bananas."
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Marbles
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3. "I haven't watched the clip..."
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But it seems like they're putting the fault on the guy that got out of his car.

  

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5. "that was definitely part of my initial reaction (eg. WTF is he doing?)"
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It looked mad suspect though.

Like it's TOTALLY possible that he intentionally swerved that way to scare him at A MINIMUM.

Who knows.

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6. "I think it's on both of them"
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I wouldn't be surprised if Stewart meant to scare or nudge him, but the rear kicked out farther than he expected and we've got a fatality. Still wasn't a good idea to walk on the track in the first place.

In a way, that's SOP for NASCAR drivers. Mix it up on and off the track in the event of an incident. Considering Stewart was the one to put him in the wall to begin with, and Ward was calling him out on the track, it looks worse for Stewart to be the one that got that close and hit him

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14. "what he did was dumb but it happens all the time"
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kenny wallace was talking it yesterday, saying that about once a month he sees a driver exit his car and confront the driver who wrecked him. he was calling for this to be banned. WTF? sports are so dumb sometimes. like the first guys to wear facemasks in football or goalie helmets (then masks) in hockey were considered pussies. WTF? that you can exit your car and step onto a track with cars driving 150+ mph is fucking insane. that you WOULD do it is crazy, but i dont expect sanity from a race car driver. being nuts is kind of a job requirement. but the governing bodies? yes, they need to let people know that is unacceptable and it should have happened a long time ago.

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15. "all the time. nobody speeds thru a caution AT THE CRASH SITE."
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because there's the likelihood that one of the people involved in the crash will be out of their car.

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18. "that's the other thing, the flag was out. other drivers avoided"
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it definitely stinks but what can be proven here?

overall it sucks that such an obvious reform had to be brought about by someone's death.

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123. "but it was easier for other drivers to avoid him"
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because Ward was actively avoiding them. He went after Stewart. He got a lot closer to Stewart than he did other vehicles. It almost looked like he wanted to maybe kick the side of his car or reach into his car.

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21. "they ain't going 150 on a yellow "
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Mon Aug-11-14 11:32 AM by veritas

          

but in general i agree with most of this reply.

i mean here's Tony Stewart himself chucking his helmet at Matt Kenseth's car in a similar reaction to a pretty similar incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwc8obMmv7o

and he's standing by 2 race "officials!" who seem to just sorta chuckle at the whole thing.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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7. "oh, the gawker thinkpieces are being fervently typed up right now."
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patience.

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9. "white people's infatuation with "being shown up" strikes again"
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sure he didn't mean to hit or kill him,
but he meant to learn him SOME kind of lesson
and now dude is dead.

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10. "Dude got killed by his own hotheadedness."
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It's a fucking RACE TRACK and you try and flag someone down to have a shouting match by walking out in front of their car and expecting them to stop?

Darwin Award tbh.

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11. "Yeah, that nigga hopped through like 2 lanes of traffic"
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>It's a fucking RACE TRACK and you try and flag someone down
>to have a shouting match by walking out in front of their car
>and expecting them to stop?
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>Darwin Award tbh.

  

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17. "Guy thought he was in Wacky Races"
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Thought he could just stick out a cartoon leg and flip the other dude's car off a cliff.

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26. "they do it all the time tho..."
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not saying it's right but I've seen drivers throw helmets and kick cars after a wreck.

  

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28. "They do, but it's fucking dangerous."
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and while it fills the 'rebel' aspect of the sport it was always dumb and risky behavior...this ain't hockey, lol

>not saying it's right but I've seen drivers throw helmets and
>kick cars after a wreck.

  

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35. "That's *why* it's considered a 'rebel' sport, I suppose."
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Mon Aug-11-14 01:45 PM by TheAlbionist

  

          

You wouldn't catch a Formula One or Indy driver doing that... but I guess that's part of the reason they're seen as snootier pursuits.

Because they engage their brain before stepping out into fucking traffic.

Rednecks are amazing.

They'd be a dying breed if they didn't reproduce so quickly.

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12. "i watched the clip....dude ran out into that traffic"
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13. "e "provoked" the collision"
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16. "I mean this happened in the course of competition"
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Wouldn't a more apt comparison be something like a boxer who killed his opponent?

I remember there was a hockey fight, I wanna say in one of the Swiss leagues but it might have been Italy's little league. One guy accidentally killed another guy in a fight and he went to jail. Contrast that with Dany Heatley's retarded ass killing his friend while driving recklessly. You just can't make sense of shit sometimes, context varies widely.

I refuse to watch the video of the guy getting hit here. I saw the wreck and turned it off. I can't imagine Stewart was trying to kill the guy but it's a bang bang thing out there. It's certainly a helluva coincidence that he is the one that wrecked him.

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19. "it's not a coincidence. "
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dude was wading through traffic and spotted Stewart's
vehicle, and then dashed out directly in front of it
expecting Stewart to just come to an immediate halt and
confront him outside of his car. didn't happen - and while
I think Stewart could've certainly done a better job of
avoiding dude, it's hard to hold him accountable in this instance.

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24. "he wasn't directly in front of him."
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that's not a minor fact to disagree on

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27. "he was weaving around that first car to confront Stewart's car"
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and he basically tried to walk in front of Stewart's
car and challenge him to get out of his car. If he
wasn't "directly" in front of him he was certainly
walking at Stewart's car specifically.

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31. "lol no."
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34. "k."
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22. "not exactly. it was a race under caution"
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had the kid died after the initial collision, there wouldn't be any controversy whatsoever. horrible tragedy, but that's racin'.

this was a little different.

maybe closer comparison would be when James Butler sucker punched Richard Grant after his gloves had been cut off. Butler got convicted for aggravated assault for that.

course that guy went on to murder Max Kellerman's brother, so comparing anyone to James Butler is awfully weird.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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20. "Stewart tried the fake hit move and actually hit Ward by accident. "
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I saw that mess and Stewart's hotheaded planned failed - deadly result. Stewart hit Ward and based on that fact, he should go to jail for involuntary manslaughter.
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33. "by fake hit move you mean swerve toward him and swerve "
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away?

if so, that would explain how the rear of his car fishtailed and hit ward.

if he did that there should be serious repercussions, including charges.

i can't say that i saw that on the video. we KNOW that dude got out the car and made a beeline toward stewart, tho.


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70. "Yup.. Coffee.. I needed it. But "Fake hit move" sounded cool."
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>away?
>
>if so, that would explain how the rear of his car fishtailed
>and hit ward.
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>if he did that there should be serious repercussions,
>including charges.
>
>i can't say that i saw that on the video. we KNOW that dude
>got out the car and made a beeline toward stewart, tho.
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This is a classic case of Macho and Anger going wrong on both sides. Stewart us a Butt and a Hothead so it's going to be hard for many to stand by his mistake. I still feel for him mad my heart goes out to the young man's family.





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25. "I'm in Nascar country, sports radio has been all over it. "
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One thing I keep hearing is how bad of a rep Tony Stewart has in Nascar

People keep saying if you had to name one guy who would/could do something like this it would be Tony Stewart.

Dude must be extremely unlikable.

edit: also heard just as many people say it was the kids fault

  

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29. "i dont follow the sport and even i know he is a prick"
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i have a few friends that work with nascar and no one has ever had a positive thing to say about him, in fact he is a guy they have gone out of their way to bad-mouth or shake their heads at.

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42. "I follow sports but I don't follow Nascar..."
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but I remember seeing him in a few headlines and I think he was even suspended a year or 2 ago over his assholish ways.

  

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44. "yeah....in addition to prolly being the best pure driver..."
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in NASCAR, Stewart is a legit asshole. He's got a history of pissin people off. That said, I think both he and Ward are culpable in this.

  

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46. "he got into a fight with a photographer or something, i recall that"
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got fined 50K and sent to counseling

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30. "nothing more tragic than white on white violence"
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32. "Ward's family need to sue the tire company and the race track"
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Tire company for not providing Stewart enough traction to stop in a tinely maner.
The race track for providing Stewart a venue to murder Ward in front of all those ppl. Such a barbaic way to go out.

TORTS!!!!!

  

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36. "How does this compare to Donte Stallworth?"
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ITWAN, regular one at that, then they'd be in jail on the same night.

  

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38. "geez, man...this doesn't compare to Stallworth at all..."
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dude was intoxicated and killed a man walking on a public street.

  

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40. "but OTHER THAN THAT it's pretty much the same"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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41. "BOTH CARS HAD 4 TIRES!!!"
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108. "to answer seriously, both involved a negligent pedestrian"
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there doesn't seem to be much dispute about the fact that the dude that Stallworth hit walked in front of his car in a way that made the impact unavoidable. unfortunately for Stallworth, he hadn't slept off his buzz to the point where he was below the legal limit; if i recall correctly (links below don't mention this), he went home, then was up and out early after a night of drinking.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/stallworth-may-escape-manslaughter-charge-121000434--nfl.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4297460

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43. "... You know someone will ask this question especially if Stewart is cha..."
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Conservative news media outlets will cite Donte Stallworth as evidence of unfair justice if Stewart is charged with a crime.

Dude had it right below, I'M SUING EVERYBODY. I'm flicking lawsuits around like Brett Favre sends pics into triple coverage because he can.

  

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45. "How'd that class action you opted out of work out? "
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>Dude had it right below, I'M SUING EVERYBODY. I'm flicking
>lawsuits around like Brett Favre sends pics into triple
>coverage because he can.

Get a better deal than the settlement?

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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47. "I never said, I opted out...."
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However, it feels great TO FIND ANOTHER FAN.

*autographs my dick on your forehead*

Like I said, everybody getting hit with a civil suit. Tony Stewart is coming off that bread.

  

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49. "i thought you decided not to based on quick math"
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cmon doggie, that post started "quick math." even if you cried to the mods to get it deleted, we ain't forgetting that shit.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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50. "u a fan bc u aware of his stupidity hilarious"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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52. "First off, I'm not stupid and Second, following a dude around OKP..."
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... is something a fan does.

VERITAS APPRECIATES MY GREATNESS. This is another win for me.

  

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51. "I'm not you so I don't cry to mods."
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You can't refute what I said so you bring up something you don't understand.

Hold THIS L.

  

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37. "didn't stewart have a wreck at the same track a couple yrs ago? "
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53. "Not the same track but same type of race"
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2014/08/06/tony-stewart-iowa-return-one-year-anniversary-sprint-car-crash/13699805/

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57. "wait we're thinkin' of two different races...but around the"
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same time frame. this one happened at this exact track last july.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nascar/story/2013-07-18/tony-stewart-wreck-sprint-car-accident-injured-girl-released-hospital

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2014/08/tony_stewart_sought_for_more_q.html

The site of Saturday night's crash is the same track where Stewart was involved in a July 2013 accident that seriously injured a 19-year-old driver. He later took responsibility for his car making contact with another and triggering the 15-car accident that left Alysha Ruggles with a compression fracture in her back.

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39. "wait a minuite...so two people CAN be responsible for a terrible outcome..."
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it's not just ALL one person's fault all the time? someone call ____ _. ____ and apologize to him lol


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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48. "I don't think there can be a comparison "
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It's a NASCAR issue and happened during the event. Sorta like how a guy died fighting Ray Mancini.

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54. "if a boxer punched another fighter long after the bell"
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and the boxer died...

I wonder if he would face charges.

  

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55. "James Butler kinda did that to Richard Grant"
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but that was after the fight had ended completely and his gloves were taken off, so it's a little less grey than it could be.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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56. "happened during the event, but wasn't necessarily "part of the game""
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It was a crime.

But white people have a hard time criminalizing white people.

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58. "As far as NASCAR is concerned it's an unfortunate event"
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That man died because of oversight in how NASCAR handles crashes. I'm not saying there's no racial bias in sports though and I'm sure had Stewart been black there'd be some kind of race related blowback, just not criminal charges from NASCAR.

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59. "You see what you just did there though."
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You're willing to put the responsibility on NASCAR instead of the individual that actually recklessly mowed a man down.

>That man died because of oversight in how NASCAR handles
>crashes. I'm not saying there's no racial bias in sports
>though and I'm sure had Stewart been black there'd be some
>kind of race related blowback, just not criminal charges from
>NASCAR.

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62. "btw NASCAR has nothing to do with this, really."
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this was not a NASCAR related event in any way.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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119. "My understanding is that when a crash occours"
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one is to make their way to the center of the track and also I stand corrected-- as Veritas stated this wasn't a NASCAR event so it's not their issue. However, I've seen (as another poster mentioned) heated drivers get out of their wrecked car and try to have words with the offending party. I think to say Stewart struck this man on purpose is speculation.

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121. "It's absolutely speculation, but speculation is par for the course.."
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in these situations.

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61. "not remotely the same"
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i havent seen good enough video evidence that suggest stewart tried to swerve towards him

it looks more like the hit made him swerve

i dont see him trying to avoid dude either but definitely not enough evidence to suggest foul play since the other guy was the one playing around in traffic

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64. "we haven't seen enough to know that Ray Rice intended...."
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to knock his girlfriend out either.

But she still ended up out cold somehow.

Just for the sake of argument of course....

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78. "what? that doesn't make any sense"
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was his wife running on the playing field and got truck sticked? no

they was having an argument...she also says she hit him...but in the end he knew the end result of any physical retaliation

i'm not 100% certain Ray Rice should be charged...but domestic violence is not the same thing as sporting accident

like how the fuck is your brain even remotely equating the 2 things?

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103. "Never mind."
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85. "well that was dumb as fuck lol"
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68. "right. I mean it does appear Stewart could've/should've done more"
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to avoid dude, but people are acting like dude
wasn't rushing into oncoming race/traffic and pointing
at Stewart - purposefully getting in Stewart's line of travel.

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63. "how is this the same as Vick?"
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65. "it's moreso about the reluctance to treat Stewart like a criminal."
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66. "that's because Vick was conducting criminal activity though, no?"
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i mean, that was factual.

in this case, all we have is a tragedy that may or may not have been criminal...and which was also exacerbated by the victim putting themselves in harms way.

  

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67. "But that's the thing. Even the POSSIBILITY of it being a criminal act.."
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isn't front page discussion.


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69. "maybe. we also have to keep in mind this is NASCAR (auto racing)..."
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and not the NFL.

the AVERAGE sports fan could give a flying fuck about NASCAR.

that's part of why there's less uproar too.

EDIT: hell, it wasn't even NASCAR...it was just one NASCAR driver on a dirt track. if this happened at Daytona this would be way bigger.

  

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71. "that's a lie"
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because it's been discussed constantly since it happened.

so if that's the issue, be glad -- it's not a problem.

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76. "I haven't seen that. From the sports commentary I've seen..."
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there has been sympathy for Stewart and expression of sadness over the incident itself.

I'm not jumping for joy because the media is being "fair" to a white man and treating him as if he's actually innocent until proven guilty, when others don't get that same luxury.

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82. "apparently you haven't been watching or reading any national news"
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if you ignore it I can't help you. the thing you're saying is missing from the conversation, has not been missing.

your entire conversation, starts with a lie cuz bruh -- you've seen ESPN right?

and that you're comparing situations that are entirely incomparable, is just weird.

this ain't your moment.

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87. "I didn't ask for your help. Carry on though."
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109. "nigga you need help from somebody"
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you're trying to have a conversation you're not equipped to deal with

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111. "right. that's it."
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72. "but the possibilty HAS been discussed....hella much"
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the Vick comparison just doesn't work because it was criminal out the box.

  

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73. "every report i've heard has mentioned the criminal investigation"
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by the district attorney and that NASCAR is also reviewing the case.

fuck you.

  

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74. "i heard the county sheriff's press conference today"
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dude pretty much nailed it.

basically said chill out, let us do our investigation, there aren't charges because there isn't evidence to support charges yet, but it's an ongoing investigation. we're still exploring, looking for more camera angles, etc.

i was really impressed.

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75. "nah man cmon"
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first of all, every respectable story i have read has at least given voice to the fact that some feel stewart was at fault or may have even done it intentionally. how much more is there to say? if the police were saying something different or there were people in the sport pointing to that, it would be reported. i think journalists have treated the subject appropriately and fairly.

secondly, vick's transgression was a broad thing that took place over a long time. if nothing else the nature of the two incidents is very, very different.

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77. "but this is my point. I'm not saying that journalists SHOULDN'T be fair...."
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I'm saying that they aren't this "fair" when the offender isn't white.

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79. "u fighting shadows yo"
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the circumstances of this is what makes it so huge

it's hard to be innocent until proven guilty when people are snitching on you in fucking open court or when they have you on tape KO'in your wife

ur general point may be based on reality but cannot remotely be applied to this particular situation

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89. "We haven't seen the tape of him KO'ing his lady."
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We've seen the tape of the aftermath. So we don't know all the circumstances. We made our assumptions.

But we saw Stewart kill a man. Whether you believe it was intentional, an accident, or blame the victim is up to you.

I'm just throwing the point out there, that there is no rush to criminalize him (not the court system, but the media and the public).

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84. "Sorry dude but when it comes to think kind of "fair" ..."
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very basic conventions that are followed by all newspapers and most outlets in general cover the bases. they do a fine job.

i think you're displacing anger at the public reaction/sentiment. i can dig that. but even there i think it's problematic to compare the two situations. how should this stewart thing be treated differently? i think so far it has been viewed and presented appropriately in the media.

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88. "First, I'm not angry. "
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Second, I never said anything about what the media "should" do.

My basic point is that the media in general, and the public if you want to go there, have no problems criminalizing a black man.

This is NOT new news.

Regardless of if the facts are all known. Regardless of the notion of innocent until proven guilty. There are subtle and blatant attempts to criminalize black men.

Such is not the case with white men as evidenced here.

Regardless of Stewart's transgressions leading up to this killing, he is viewed as a "hothead". That's the word that I've seen used over and over again over the past few days.

"Hothead".

A very lightweight, benign, harmless word.

Him being a "hothead" lead him to kill someone.

Imagine a black man in the same situation. A few words would come up, and I don't see "hothead" being one of them.

But let's act brand new.

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90. "This incident isn't terribly unlike Marty McSorley, in my mind."
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Now, Donald Brashear didn't die, but the elements of being within the context of the sport, but an egregious departure from the normal conduct of the sport and causing severe injury as a result are the same.

And that was a white guy hitting a black guy.

And he got a criminal conviction for it.

That's probably not helpful to the goal of this post, though.

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91. "Not unless the goal is to change the subject."
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>
>That's probably not helpful to the goal of this post, though.

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92. "but Vick and Ray Rice are good comparisons."
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got it.

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93. "comparisons of how there is a difference in how THE MEDIA.."
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will use language and tactics to criminalize black men using whatever information they have.. YES.

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94. "Jesus christ lmao"
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95. "let's throw a trash can through a window at AP's main offices."
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fuck you.

  

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96. "ion't even know how to respond man"
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like, how can a person acknowledge that the situations are qualitatively drastically different in nature, but lament the media not treating them the same.

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97. "you're supposed to agree that the media treats black men"
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more harshly than non-black men even though the OP contains a pretty poor example of the phenomenon. you're supposed to operate on emotion and not logic. so just agree and grab a trash can to throw or help put together more molotov cocktails.

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98. "always thought those starbucks frapp things at the gas station"
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would make good molotov cocktail bottles. good throwable size with a sturdy medium wide mouth lid.

guess this as good a time as any to test that out?

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100. "let's get it."
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fuck you.

  

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99. "You must believe that if Tony Stewart were black all would be the.."
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same.

That's fine, I don't.

If you don't believe this, you're arguing for the sake of arguing because you don't like the comparisons.

That's fine too.

But I'm done with it.

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101. "If Tony Stewart was a black successful NASCAR driver"
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who regularly moonlights driving Sprint cars, and he. . .

would he be treated. . .

sorry we're just venturing into some really speculative territory here.

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102. "Never mind."
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115. "the irony of that response is not lost on me"
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you're accusing him of a diversion but you're in here creating all kinds of false equivalencies and what ifs. your basic argument is that by not criminalizing stewart, there is a double standard because vick, for example, was criminalized. well, guess what, vick was a criminal. i thought he was slammed harder because of his celebrity and crucified unfair publicly (in part due to race, in part due to the public's boundless love for dogs). that is the public and the justice system, and he pretty much put himself as their mercy. i didn't think the media had to do much and, from what i saw, it didn't.

with stewart, his maybe being a murderer is part of the story but it's a part that has yet to be substantiated. this thing of "if he were black" is not "not acting new," it's just empty speculation, man.

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120. "It is speculation, although I don't agree that it's "empty"."
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But it's the reason that I didn't put much in the OP.

You're right, much of this specific case hasn't been substantiated yet.

But on the face of it, just looking at the response so far, my sentiment isn't as far fetched as some of these replies suggest. Everyone is just caught up in wanting to pick at and dissect the very loose comparisons I threw out in terms of treatment of the "offender".

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127. "i just fail to see the connection and i'm not alone"
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it's a pair of truth-minus-fact arguments that are getting conflated.

i actually think this war machine thing is a more interesting story. if he were black and competed in a sport people gave a fuck about, wow, people wouldn't just be rolling their eyes, they'd be calling his head on a stick.

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131. "You don't have to see the connection, fam. No disrespect."
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It doesn't matter to me that a bunch of other people that live to disagree with sh*t disagree with me, because I expect it (not talking about you in particular)

I made a vague statement as a OP to throw something out there and people have a problem with it. That's their choice, but the sentiment stands regardless of how anyone feels about the comparison.

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132. "How do you know it's worse?"
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Are you saying that accidentally killing someone in a traffic accident is "worse" than Michael Vick running a dog-fighting ring for years? The courts don't agree, obviously, because when guys like Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth accidentally killed people with their cars (while drunk), they also got off lighter than Vick. Was it because they were white race car drivers? I remember them as black football players.

Not to be a dick or anything but the further you stretch this out, the thinner it gets.

If it were CLEAR that he killed Ward on purpose, yes, that would be a different story. Right now, we don't know. That's how the media has to treat the story, that's how the cops have to treat the investigation, and that's how the public should temper its reaction.

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136. "So my opinion should be based on what the courts do?"
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>Are you saying that accidentally killing someone in a traffic
>accident is "worse" than Michael Vick running a dog-fighting
>ring for years? The courts don't agree, obviously, because
>when guys like Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth
>accidentally killed people with their cars (while drunk), they
>also got off lighter than Vick. Was it because they were white
>race car drivers? I remember them as black football players.

You're saying it's an accident, I'm not. I don't believe it was an accident. That's my opinion. Even if he's not charged or found not guilty, that's my opinion. The court doesn't dictate my view. Throughout this post I've said nothing about what the courts will or won't do.

Also, accidentally killing someone while intoxicated isn't the same as doing it while sober. Had they been sober, they would have been in prison, as Stewart hopefully will be.

>Not to be a dick or anything but the further you stretch this
>out, the thinner it gets.


>If it were CLEAR that he killed Ward on purpose, yes, that
>would be a different story. Right now, we don't know. That's
>how the media has to treat the story, that's how the cops have
>to treat the investigation, and that's how the public should
>temper its reaction.

You're arguing what the media and public *should* do, based on what's fair and how that relates to what they're doing here. I'm talking about what they actually do, regardless of what's fair, and how it isn't equally applied in other cases.

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145. "No, I'm saying media coverage shouldn't be based on opinions!"
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Being drunk is an aggravating circumstance, not a mitigating one in most cases. Aren't you a lawyer?

And you're not talking about "what they actually do," you're talking about what you think they would do if Stewart were black. It seems like a moot question, for openers, and while I'm not saying your speculation is totally baseless, it's not exactly rock solid either.

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146. "I agree it shouldn't be based on opinions. But true journalism.."
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is few and far between these days, which is the problem. Impartiality is very much selective. Bias exists.

Anyway, I think that's enough. I don't really think we disagree as much as the back and forth suggests.

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152. "we don't, i agree with your overarching point, just dont see context"
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117. "RE: This incident isn't terribly unlike Marty McSorley, in my mind."
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I thought of this as a loose corollary but first of all the criminal proceedings all took place in Canada and most of the media coverage was Canadian, too.

The incidents themselves certainly mirror more closely than what happened with Vick, Rice, et al, but I don't really know that they are all that similar.

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126. "was hoping you'd weigh in on that"
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good call on the canadian aspect, i didn't consider that.

i don't think it's a great comparison either, but at least it's apples to oranges, not apples to pit bulls.

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128. "McSorley wrote about his side of it in a book about fighting"
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It was called The Code by Ross Bernstein. Basically he said shit snowballed and he meant to swing Brashear around. Brashear was pretty bold, he did take out Dafoe and he went by the bench flexing and talking shit. It was tough for McSorley to take a number and you have to figure he was being pushed to respond. I don't want to make excuses for him, just presenting another angle that wasn't out there too much when you've got a guy having a seizure and sustaining a concussion. I honestly think that it was one of those ugly incidents where things worked out in the end. Brashear had a long, successful career beating the hell out of people. McSorley never played another NHL game. Most importantly, it was pretty much the end of stick incidents, which were once a much more common occurrence. You never see them now.

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134. "interesting"
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i only have a speck of the hockey knowledge you have, so i don't really have anything to add.

i was just trying to think of incidents that were *kind of* within the context of the game, but also a departure from the real game action.

outside of McSorley and James Butler (thankfully) the list of incidents is pretty sparse.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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151. "the funny thing to me all the crazy shit that happened in the past"
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before the television, the game was pretty savage. part of it was the rules, you used to have to carry the puck out of your own end and it would be like a gauntlet of people trying to murder your ass. maybe even more so than football--imagine "forward progress stoppage" for a whistle today--hockey was just a brutal game in the early part of the 20th century.

i don't know what to make of that as far as a connection to society in general.

the mcsorley-brashear incident will always be linked with the bertuzzi-moore one. that was another really shitty thing to see. unfortunately you still see similar things to the bertuzzi hit today. i thought that shit thornton pulled on brooks orpik was foul this year. again though, i can see where he was coming from. you had a situation where two of your players got concussed. i thought neal's play was dirtier than orpik's, but either way orpik backed down from a challenge on his hit. you're a guy like thornton, your job is to get results. he went too far for sure, but it's more complicated than somebody just going ape shit for no reason.

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116. "OK, largely true, WTF does it have to do with Tony Stewart?"
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80. "He's a white NASCAR driver from the south"
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what's hard to understand?

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81. "Sure, Indiana is pretty much "the South.""
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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83. "agreed."
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86. "i'm waiting for the accident recreation"
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that's what i wanna see. lets see if Stewart's car veered off, or how much space he had to maneuver. these weren't your standard Nascars either, these were funny cars. not as fast...smaller car frames.

either way...there probably won't be a conviction, cause dumbass got out his car, on a track, during an automotive race. not in pit row....on the track. and that's not gonna work out for you 9 times outta 10.
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125. "nah.. these drivers get out of their cars all the time these days"
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the problem I have with Stewart is the warning flag was out and people are saying he revved his engine when he got close to Ward.

I think he meant to throw dirt on him or scare him but it went all types of wrong.

Police are also saying they got video from another angle that they are looking at. At first I thought it was unintentional and he didn't see him but these guys are pro's.



  

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104. "My whole thing is that dude wouldn't have died had he stayed...."
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in his car...

I mean, if a guy ran on to the freeway and you hit him, whether or not you tried to avoid him or not, should you be arrested??

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105. "If you made no attempt to avoid him? Yes, you're responsible."
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112. "Split second, and you froze up... "
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also, the speed limit is 150 mph...

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114. "That could be anyone's defense."
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106. "which one is black?"
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^ powerful statement right there, folks. i expect nothing but cosigns and dap.

fuck you.

  

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113. "The driver is black... The pedestrian is Drake... n/m"
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118. "^ the Tiger Woods defense."
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fuck you.

  

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110. "That shit looks suspect as hell, on some "this mofo BETTER move...""
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Not gonna call it intentional, but it's not like dude was running across the track or something. He was basically standing there pointing at the time dude hit him. The blue car right in front of Stewart managed to avoid him.

GHBS with this, or at least see a better video.

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122. "he should be in jail"
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people get arrested for a lot less. sheeit, i got arrested for
accidentally hitting a parked car. i didn't mean to do it but, i
still got arrested. beforehand this guy dusts the kid off and
coincidentally is the same perceived "asshole hot head" that hit
him. stewart likely saw dude in his rear view and saw him when he
came around the corners...stop playing, he's a professional fucking
driver. manslaughter at the least.


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124. "lmao what?"
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How did u get arrested for hitting a parked car?

In what part of America is that not a ticket at worst?

  

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130. "criminal damage to property, perhaps."
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which may be a misdemeanor offense though it was likely a felony based on the property value. either way that's a jailable offense. there's also reckless driving...driving under the influence...driving on a suspended or revoked driver's license...speeding can be a criminal offense depending on the rate of speed and the speed limit at issue...et al.

so yeah, i can see a person being arrested and taken to jail for hitting a parked car.

of course ppl also go to jail for hitting a pedestrian. but not always, as we see here. the police determined they didn't have probable cause that a crime had occurred or that Stewart is the perpetrator if there was a crime. so they didn't arrest him. yet. if facts develop that give rise to probable cause of criminal activity he may be arrested then.

fuck you.

  

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138. "those factors sort of negate anything being an accident"
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I guess I assumed it was accidental

  

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139. "he could've been arrested for something other than hitting the car."
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like for driving on a suspended license or DUI while hitting the car accidentally.

w/e happened it seems he pled guilty to negligent driving.

fuck you.

  

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141. "true, but all that moves the situation further away from relevance"
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As it pertains to a sober race car driver

  

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142. "yeppers."
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fuck you.

  

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143. "i was sober"
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how do you know that he was? which raises questions.
was he tested for blood alcohol after the accident?
are professional drivers even tested before races?
if he wasn't tested, why not? did they assume that
he was driving clean? if so, who made the assumption and why.


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144. ". . ."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8lDYrvTILc

fuck you.

  

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148. "there is zero reason to think he was drunk lol"
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Nascar randomly drug tests 5 drivers weekly per series

Alcohol is to be avoided for 12 hours pre-race and .02 is unfit to race

Quite the reach here lol

  

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133. "negligent driving was the deal"
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>How did u get arrested for hitting a parked car?
>
>In what part of America is that not a ticket at worst?


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137. "negligence means it wasnt an accident tho"
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129. "were you drunk when you hit the car?"
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him being a professional driver is not proof that he was trying to murder someone.

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135. "at the very LEAST, it was an accident"
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this makes sense to me: stewart "tussled" with him. stewart likely saw
the aftermath of the "tussle" in his rear view. stewart is near the
aftermath. stewart hit the tusslee. the tusslee is dead. someone died
because of the tussle. which should be >= manslaughter.

the people saying...."NO! he didn't see him" are full of sh*t. come
the fuck on.

>him being a professional driver is not proof that he was
>trying to murder someone.


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140. "an accident means its not manslaughter"
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Given that negligence detracts from something being an accident, Stewart wasnt engaging in criminal activity at the time

Negligence isnt an accident...its negligence right?

  

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147. "no, that's not really accurate, if i understand correctly"
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are you saying that his causing the initial wreck made him liable for all of the aftermath? that is not the case.

the case will come down to proving that he intentionally ward once he was out of his car. seems difficult to prove but i bet the reconstruction will be telling.

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149. "bruh do Sprint cars even have rear view mirrors?"
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I'm not sure, but I don't think they do.

I'm more sure that you don't know with any more certainty than me, than I am that they do.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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150. "who knew a post about racing..."
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would bring out some of the highest levels of idiocy OKP has ever seen?

impressive.

  

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153. "it already happened in OKS on this same topic"
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