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>You can let the culture of this place and the internet sway
>your opinion about what's Pop'in in life and you can grab a
>torch too, but I know better.
>
this is a message board, no? for the exchange of opinions? that's what i'm doing, exchanging MY opinion. not those of others. no sway or tech here.
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>Plus, you know better then to try and carry over judgement for
>something that's already been forgiven - it's NOT your place.
>And based on your faith you know better, so don't act like I'm
>off base.
not understanding the relationship between this and faith. there are two kinds of forgiveness... forgiveness between people and God, and forgiveness between people between those whom they have wronged. i'm not weighing in on either of those. what neither of those types of forgiveness eliminates, however, are the consequences of sin, which, as you know, are far reaching, and hard to predict or control.
if i murder someone and subsequently (and with sincerity) petition the Lord for forgiveness, He will forgive that. but the law is not the Lord, and they are gonna press charges and prosecute with no regard to that spiritual reality.
*I* (contrary to others in this post) have not said anything regarding the state or validity of their union. if they are truly reconciled, and dude is truly remorseful and sincerely repentant, wonderful. i'll go so far as to pray that, through Christ, their relationship can be remade, whole and healthy, despite this ugly incident.
but none of that changes that there are (or should be) repercussions for rice's actions. 2 games, imho, is not sufficient for what he did. sight unseen it was probably not. but now that i've seen the video, it is emphatically not.
>Now, at NO point did I or have I ever condoned domestic
>violence - in this case or any other.
never said or even intimated that you did. i would not go there even if i thought that, but in all honesty, i had no reason to think that and it had not entered my mind about you.
But if the victim of any
>crime or action decides to forgive the offender then that is
>where I choose leave the matter alone and again you know
>better.
umm, no. and this is where we depart. because janaye rice is not the only involved and affected party. she was the most involved, and most affected, surely. but you have the NFL as an organization, the ravens as a team, the sponsors, the fans, etc.
if michael brown's parents exercise forgiveness (as have the families of many murder victims) for darren wilson, that does not mean *I* would agree that he deserves no punishment. you are mixing up the concepts of forgiveness and consequence.
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>The offender "Ray Rice" does not and is not obligated to
>satisfy your opinion or mine if the victim (HIS WIFE) is
>willing to forgive him for the terrible event. They are the
>ones that have to live with the Shame until they turn this
>into a testimony.
nope. he is not. he is, however, subject to the repercussions of his conduct being made public. and in much the same way that he would had he popped positive for drugs, gotten a DUI. why you acting like this is different?
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>Dude has expressed his confession, regret, and repentance. And
>he was processed through the legal system, into a program and
>penalized by the NFL. SO who are you to ask for more
>punishment? Ar you going to pay his bills, help him change
>industries, take care of his family, support his wife? No.
lol. i'm giving my opinion that his punishment was very light and, in MY OPINION (and this is an opinion board), insufficient based upon the new (to me) video evidence.
and if the NFL saw this and thought 2 games was sufficient, then the outrage machine can be pointed at goodell an nem.
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>So who are you and others to act like he owes y'all anything?
>Nobody that's who.
he don't owe me jack. never said he did. i'm expressing my opinions on the matter, as is my right.
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>Nah, Rev ain't bugging. I just know better. And I believe in
>the power of forgiveness, repentance, Grace and Mercy. Why?
>Because I woke up this morning to a new damn day. And You know
>better.
lol. don't play the grace and mercy card on me. i'm not damning dude to hell. i'm saying his actions (in light of the new as of this morning video evidence) merited more than a 2 game slap on the wrist. am i judging his actions off that couple minutes of video? damn skippy. am i judging his life? no. not even. you haven't seen me refer to him as a serial abuser or anything like that. don't know if this was his first time or fifty-first. but you know good and well that regardless of whether he got right with God, his wife, or whomever, that doesn't erase the earthly consequences of his actions. and if enough people are as viscerally disturbed by that video as i was, then that is going to be a problem for the ravens and the nfl, and they will find a way to add to their punishment.
i'm not hot to the point of marching or writing my congressman or nothing like that. but i am to the point of expressing it on a forum where we talk about everything.
>Now in reference to people being upset by the video, it's
>horrible, but to act like the air has been sucked out of the
>room is a farce. If people feel this hot about the matter,
>they are all kinds of advocacy groups that deal with Domestic
>Violence. But Ain't one person up in here loud talking going
>to join one of those groups. If they do God bless'em. So, stop
>acting all upset and disgusted, because I don't see any real
>action about the real issue that goes beyond Ray Rice. Got
>down to the court house and see justice for everyday victims
>that are getting their asses beat-up by a drunkard, angry
>person, pimp, drug dealer, etc. And ask how can help be
>given.
this makes no sense. i can't express an opinion short of full on advocacy? lol. this place will be more tumbleweeds than it already is. i'm mad that you're mad about it, however.
real rap, tho. domestic violence is a thorny subject in church. pastors and counselors are walking a line between rightly preaching forgiveness and helping to create a chilling climate where they are putting part of their congregations at risk. if this was a one time thing, it is possible, with counseling (and, being a man of faith, this includes a strong spiritual component). but if there is a continued and/or escalating pattern of abuse, the abused person needs to get out.
again, i've alleged no pattern in this case, and have not made any judgments on their marriage. but i've heard pastors discussing from the pulpit and having to walk that line.
>Now, the NFL is hiding and they know that they viewed this
>video before they gave Rice a 2 game suspension. How do I
>know. I don't. But I do know businesses and they protect their
>interest. And this is an issue that a Monkey would have
>investigated thoroughly.
price of tea + china. i can't stand gooddell or his high handed smugness. and he needs to go if he saw this video and thought 2 games was cool. that has no bearing on me expressing my opinion.
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>So what now? People are up in arms screaming for a lifetime
>ban when that's not even the new rule. People are up in arms
>screaming for more what? Justice? Get out of here with that
>fake mess, when in fact they will be Supporting the NFL
>tonight and on Thursday, Sunday and on Saturdays during the
>playoff.
i said 'ban', not 'lifetime'. and by ban, i meant, dude needs to have an indefinite timeout, certainly longer than a commercial break, to think through his actions, receive counseling, AS WELL as to make the position very clear of the nfl.
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>People just want to say they said something, but they are all
>empty words without action.
ok.
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>And Yes, I understand the disappointment, but I'm not going to
>SMOKE the WEED of the Day just to say I was HIGH with the rest
>of you. What will give Rice 4, 6, 8, or 40 games do? Nothing.
>People will still be rattling their empty wagons for the NFL.
>
>
>Ray Rice and his wife don't owe you, me, us, we, or anybody
>anything more.
you all over the place with this one, yo. ion't understand all the energy on caping for this dude.
peace & blessings,
x.
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