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"10 hours of walking NYC as a woman [Part 2]"


  

          

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Just wanted to make the specific point this is not just a Black/Latino t...
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i got felt up in egypt
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what exactly is an appropriate social setting?
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      i can't tell you how to talk to women or where to talk to them
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      just get confirmation before you holla.
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      ^^^^^^^
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      Should be obvious
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      *hands you a bullhorn* say it one mo'gin.
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      Did you not FUCKIN READ THAT HUGE POST
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           lmao @ booboo face
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           this is killing me
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the issue is bigger than Shoshanna's video.
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...how socially retarded do you have to be to not know....
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Who are these assholes that tell women to smile?
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...we're *SO* White right now. *awkward high fives*
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*reaches out with fist* am I doing this correctly?
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I didn't even know that was a thing until recently
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I heard it all the time when my co-bartender was female.
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Ive had people, both men & women & STRANGERS mind you, tell me allll the...
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yeah I get this all the time, but I walk around muggin
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she smiles...and blushes...and he goes in.
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I was unaware that this ever works.
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Were you unaware that a woman's smile is shorthand for "moist vagina"?
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      You never heard "if you can make her laugh, you're in there"?
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           ...did you hear ONE person say anything remotely funny?
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                yeah, im gonna need you to geek down a bit
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now who da fuck wanna go around smiling & winking at every chic he--
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      *finger guns*
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           dont celebrate. it was just a comparison to illustrate the fact that a--
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                good for you, sport. you have found the string that unravels
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I've had many people, both men and women (of different ages) tell me tha...
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i mean, really.
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Overall, I Agree With You
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      you can SO tell if she wants to be approached.
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      You Can't Tell These Days
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           you sure can't tell. so fuck it.
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      What exactly constitutes "respectiful"?
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           Respectful Is Relative
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The irony is that catcalling is so unokplayery.
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"Peace, nubian queen"
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. . .
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I've had a lot of sex with a lot of women, I've never street hollared
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I did it one time on Wisconsin Av. in Georgetown
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+1
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for the butthurt men, this sums it up about as easy as possible
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i mean
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ths hr
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men who say "whats up" to other men on the street:
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RE: men who say "whats up" to other men on the street:
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      honestly I do too.
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I'd love some examples of successful street hollars
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Street hollas aren't limited to "aye bitch, lemme holla at'cha"
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is there a bright line?
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You mean like a pickup line?
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Are you from Tennessee, cause...
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      ... you look like Gangsta Boo. Really, are y'all related?
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chicks throw lines too
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Yea that seems to be the issue with all of this
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one time this lady who was real drunk and about to go to jail...
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i did a 3 month experiment years ago
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This is a matter of not being able to read obvious social cues..
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THIS.
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^^ all of this.
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^^right
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Basically
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I agree with all of this.
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You're right, for the most part. But the reality is..
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what the fuck is wrong with you?
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you're a nut if you take that strong of an issue with this reply.
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the nut is the person that states
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      It's a statement based in reality. Deal with it.
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           i am, i get to call you out on stupidity
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                gotcha.. so I was right the first time.
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                     you would be the nut actually
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Complete your thought "What is wrong with you..for not thinking exa...
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      my thought is complete
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           a person can make 4 statements, 3 being correct and 1 not, dumbass.
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           only dumbass here is you
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           but he said you are right ....for the most part.
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                which means he actually does not agree
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                     It means he does not wholly agree. He partially agrees. Which also mean...
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you don't see how this thinking is part of the issue?
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      This is a reality whether the woman is smiling or frowning...
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its not fucking hard
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      Funny how this is almost exactly what I said last night.
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           no this isnt what you said last night
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                Why do you keep skipping over me saying I look out for social cues?
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                     no one believes you
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                          why are you so angry?
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                          why arent you?
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                               you should smile more
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                               yo
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                          speaking in the south isn't something that's just done to women
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                               That's what I was going to say, but I was tired of speaking to him/her
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                               He's insisted his right to speak
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I've walked past women on the street and fired up a conversation
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just let women start hollering at men.
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I'm kinda in this line too.
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Comment from a female on the youtube post
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good for her!
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Another comment, lmao
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great for her!
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LOL you arguing against the people you supposed to be rallying for
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that comment represents the end of the entire movement, player.
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      ok so this is sowhat's avoidance mode...I get it
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           it's not a movement at all.
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                DOG can you say that a man saying hello is covered under these?
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                     which answer do you want?
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                          ok so this is sowhat's you have a point so I'll ignore it mode, I get th...
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                               yes, i cannot refute whatever you said and so now i'm ignoring it.
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                                    he dont want your answers sway
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i'm awfully persuaded by the crowded street point
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that's neat, guy.
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hmmm
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      yes. good.
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           nah but seriously...
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                yeah, man i don't think there's an answer.
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                     there prolly is an answer
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                          answers have been proposed over and over.
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                               hi, i'm imcvspl... i barely skimmed the other post
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                                    ------------------------------------------------------------------------...
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                                         ok i'm here
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                                              great.
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                                                   c'mon
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                                                        i'm done w/this conversation, holmes.
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                                                             seen
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RE: Comment from a female on the youtube post
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because like uncle toms
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thoughts from a transgender woman:
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good for her!
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fixed
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      absolutely. i created the issue out of whole cloth.
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           RE: absolutely. i made the video into my own separate soapbox issue
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                i really did.
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                     RE: i derail discourse with cheeky sarcasm to avoid addressing points
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                          i do it b/c you are my intellectual superior and i have no choice.
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                               re: Im trapped in this sarcasm vortex. I cant communicate like an adult
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                                    the question is: why?
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                                         take that up with your shrink, boy boy. I holla.
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                                              gosh that was so witty.
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thoughts from a transracial black woman regarding don imus:
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She read the fuck outta that 'campaign'...maybe I need to get on twitter...
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Response Videos
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I was about to straight bullet point
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yeah it's done.
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Hey you Neanderthals, stop talking to women in the street. ---- Forever
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lol, so wait until you've effectively followed her into a closed space?
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Exactly. Catch here by the Cream Corn and go for broke.
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case won
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With God on my side, I'm sure the women will see my good intentions
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kinda surprised "parking garage" wasn't included
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      How about a Horse Stable.
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           Case out here street harassing women in a time machine
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Only where you can corner her in a dark area....
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You gotta spit game when they're vacuuming the whip.
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^Priceless, haha.
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my good friend weighed in on what's WRONG with this video [link/swipe]
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I am starting to realize certain arguments only happen on OKP
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bet. how many is a few?
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gosh! You mean IRL ppl don't understand the problem of street harassment...
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      See y'all's thing is if you don't agree, then you don't understand.
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           good for you, Buddy.
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           That's cause irl you can address nuance
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                yup...
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#TeamSoWhat
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RE: #TeamSoWhat
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      SoWhat is kind of full of it. He knows he has done the unsolicited...
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           and i did it like a BAWSE.
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archive
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So what have we learned here?
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If that's your take away, you weren't trying to hear what the more
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      Generally I agree.
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           I get that.
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                RE: I get that.
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                     Part of the problem is that women are different. So from a man's point ...
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                     RE: Part of the problem is that women are different. So from a man's po...
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                          RE: Part of the problem is that women are different. So from a man's po...
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                     See we are soo close to being on the same page.
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                          My only problem with this is
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As long as men want to fuck women there will be street hollering
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Women want to fuck men too
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      RE: Women want to fuck men too
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Soo, Alicia Keys was harassing dude in "You Don't Know My Name"
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I was listening to that song yesterday actually
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smh.. what used to be attraction is now called thirst.
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      thats just my opinion
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vid is different from the song
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      RE: good lord, smh.
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      RE: good lord, smh.
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      Dawg you are supa nerd aren't ya!!?!?
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           RE: Dawg you are supa nerd aren't ya!!?!?
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i cant relate to this at all
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and this is because you're a normal human being. thank you.
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10 hours of walking in NYC as a white man:
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ha!
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ok this was funny as hell
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Lol good shit
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LOL
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I am in this argument for the Old Black Men who sit on the corner...
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Sometimes it is and sometimes it aint
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i am here for pretty women who walk the streets w/the right
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I don't get what's so hard to see about it.
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Have you considered I see what you saying, but disagree?
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      RE: Have you considered I see what you saying, but disagree?
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RE: i am here for pretty women who walk the streets w/the right
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^^^^
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_done_
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We agree women don't have to respond, but there does not exist a right.....
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      Thats why this will never get anywhere
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      --
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      fuck, dude.
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           Why are you soo upset that people disagree with you?
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                '
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                     Right. And I don't have empathy. BTW, my wife and mom are fine, you
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                          /
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RE: I am in this argument for the Old Black Men who sit on the corner......
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So, I Post 10 edited hrs of Women Spitting is that a Problem too ?
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??
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yo, wat?
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      I know it was over your head
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Wow.
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Anyone want to posit why this one video has gotten 1000 posts??
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I think because it taps into the psychological
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Real talk. There was very little discussion of the actual video
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      That's internet discussion for you
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3 Hours Of "Harassment' In NYC!
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Buddy_Gilapagos
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1. "Just wanted to make the specific point this is not just a Black/Latino t..."
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Woman try walking through the streets alone in Spain or Italy. When we were in Spain a spanish dude literally put his hand up the skirt of one of the women in our group.

It's all over the news about what can happen being a single woman walking around alone in India, Pakistan or muslim countries.

Shit were do you think all that Burka culture comes from? Trying to protect women from street harrasers (gross simplification but you get my point).


But yeah, video seems to target the bros but it isn't exclusive to us the issue.




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teefiveten
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2. "i got felt up in egypt"
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and got catcalled in italy

the STWTS artist has been travelling around the country and to other counties to do this and i recently met some foreigners and we randomly started talking about the project and they wish she'd come to their country

i was in philly and she was speaking and there were a lot of college girls there, all white, and none from philly, talking about they came from podunk towns and have experienced this just as much as they currently do walking around in philly. usually it was more dudes catcalling from cars but still similar

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3. "what exactly is an appropriate social setting?"
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you mentioned this in the OP, too many replies in that post my slow ass pc can't load alladat, but since you are here.

Church?
many people will argue tis not the place to holler but to praise his holiness, yet many couples meet in church. Before you go on about it being a safe environment stop, manny creeps are God fearing church goers.

Bar, Club etc..
We've all been in situations when girls don't wanna be hollered at because they are just out as girls having a night out and don't want male company.

Gym?
Dude I am hear to work out not to be hollered at.

Street Holler
I just wanna get from point A to point B, leave me alone

I can go on and name hundreds of social settings and it would still be in appropriate to holler if the woman does not wanna be hollered at.

My point is not all women feel the same way you do with regards to being hollered at, some women actually enjoy the attention hence they respond to it and I have and know people who a dating, married some with children from a simply holler at the bus stop or as they passed by each other. Stop with this one size fits all when it comes to how people meet and ultimately become couples.

You find street hollers intimidating and threatening, I get it. Not all women do.



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4. "i can't tell you how to talk to women or where to talk to them"
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as you said you saw my response in the other thread as to where i go and what i do as far as purposely being in social settings

otherwise, i can't help you.

i dont even go to church.

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10. "just get confirmation before you holla."
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smile at her first. if she smiles back, go in.

if she doesn't smile back don't assume she didn't see you. don't assume she's being shy.

if you don't get the chance to smile at her, accept the missed opportunity and move on.

if you already do this then congrats - you are not a problem.

fuck you.

  

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35. "^^^^^^^"
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>smile at her first. if she smiles back, go in.
>
>if she doesn't smile back don't assume she didn't see you.
>don't assume she's being shy.
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>if you don't get the chance to smile at her, accept the missed
>opportunity and move on.
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>if you already do this then congrats - you are not a problem.


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41. "Should be obvious "
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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14. "*hands you a bullhorn* say it one mo'gin."
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20. "Did you not FUCKIN READ THAT HUGE POST"
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Pay attention to cues

Is the person smiling back
Is the person making eye contact
Does that person have his or her arms folded making the booboo face

All of those places are acceptable if she wants the interaction.


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25. "lmao @ booboo face"
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216. "this is killing me"
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smh

  

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7. "the issue is bigger than Shoshanna's video."
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get out of that video. get into these:

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/video/

fuck you.

  

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5. "...how socially retarded do you have to be to not know...."
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...an appropriate venue to step to a woman?

"OH I LEFT MY HOUSE TODAY WITH CLOTHES ON I CLEARLY AM LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO STUFF A DICK INTO ANY ONE OF A SERIES OF ACCEPTABLE HOLES IN MY BODY"

Walking past someone on the street is not an invitation to chat.

That's what crazy people do. Crazy people who usually sleep in their own feces and leap out at unsuspecting pedestrians and try to have random conversations.

"YOU DON'T SMELL LIKE CAT PISS WILL YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE VARIOUS VOICES I FIND HAUNTING ME FROM MY MOLESTED YOUTH OH YOU THINK YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME BECAUSE WELL YOU AIN'T SHIT ANYWAY KEEP WALKING"

If you're an adult, it should be the easiest thing in the world to say "Oh wow, she's really pretty but gosh she she seems like she's in a rush. Shucks."

Is it a lack of impulse control?

What's the pussy-to-street holler ratio, exactly?

Are there encouraging numbers pushing the movement forward?

  

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Frank Longo
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8. "Who are these assholes that tell women to smile?"
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Like, almost every woman I know complains that guys do this.

What is the endgame of telling a strange woman on the street to smile?

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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9. "...we're *SO* White right now. *awkward high fives*"
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12. "*reaches out with fist* am I doing this correctly?"
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11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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18. "I didn't even know that was a thing until recently"
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Because it seems so fucking bizarre to do. Like, why would a guy even do that and expect not to sound like a condescending asshole?

And the defenses I've seen of it just seem weird as fuck too.

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117. "I heard it all the time when my co-bartender was female."
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"Hey, how's it going? Know what you'd like to drink?"

"I'm not sure yet but a smile would be nice."

"Let's see how you tip first, and maybe I'll smile on my way home to my husband."

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21. "Ive had people, both men & women & STRANGERS mind you, tell me allll the..."
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time & quite randomly to smile...

ya dont see me blowing a gasket.

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103. "yeah I get this all the time, but I walk around muggin"
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22. "she smiles...and blushes...and he goes in."
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that's the goal.

it works sometimes, that's 1 reason why men do it.

fuck you.

  

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26. "I was unaware that this ever works."
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But I reckon the precedent was set somehow.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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28. "Were you unaware that a woman's smile is shorthand for "moist vagina"?"
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100. "You never heard "if you can make her laugh, you're in there"?"
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I'm not condoning or excusing shit, but let's not pretend that THAT isn't a thing

  

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155. "...did you hear ONE person say anything remotely funny? "
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SMILE
SMILE
SMILE
SMILE
WHY AREN'T YOU SMILING
SMILE
SMILE

I'm not a handsome man.

It could be argued that being funny is the only thing that ever got me laid.

But 'SMILE' doesn't usually get the crowds falling over into the aisles laughing.

  

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191. "yeah, im gonna need you to geek down a bit"
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one, like SoWhat said above, believe it or not, some men have actually used that successfully as an ice-breaker. OMGZ AMAZING!

Two, it doesn't excuse harrasment, at all, but those inconvenient realities makes it a lot stickier to discuss ways to actually address how men and women interact.

Instead of acting all brand new and pearl-clutching and gasping about shit, some of us actually care and are well beyond the point of *tsk, tsk* that's terrible that passes for activism these days.

  

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31. "now who da fuck wanna go around smiling & winking at every chic he--"
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sees and wants to talk to.

I mean not for nothing but aint that even "creepier" than "hello/hi"?

I can just imagine shorty thinking to herself 'fuck is this clown all grining in my face & shit for?'

I personally prefer..'sup there, toots' but hey we cant all be my special brand of cavalier.

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43. "*finger guns*"
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fuck you.

  

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48. "dont celebrate. it was just a comparison to illustrate the fact that a--"
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nod+smile can/could be misconstrued as harassment too.

prolly worst than actually saying something even.

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53. "good for you, sport. you have found the string that unravels"
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the entire effort to curb street harassment.

there is NO solution.

you can safely leave this discussion and not return to it.

fuck you.

  

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84. "I've had many people, both men and women (of different ages) tell me tha..."
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Sometimes when I'm on a mission I don't realize the look on my face.

That said, I don't say it to other people unless a conversation has already been invited.

But it isn't a foreign concept.

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11. "i mean, really."
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fuck you.

  

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13. "Overall, I Agree With You"
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But the argument is that (some) women don't be approached, talked to, in any capacity while on the street. OK

Then the argument extends to multiple settings. OK

Which leaves the conclusion that women don't want to be approached at all. Because there's no way for a man to know WHEN a woman WANTS to be approached, and IF SO if that woman wants to be APPROACHED by THAT PARTICULAR MAN. Men have no way of knowing that.

OR, women start approaching men, and a vast majority of women don't want to do that.

That's the argument...the catcalls and street harassment are definitely troublesome, and I feel terrible for women that have to do that every day. But the argument from some men seems to be even if the man is respectful, women will still react the same way and treat it as harassment, no matter the setting.

  

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16. "you can SO tell if she wants to be approached."
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> Because there's no way for a man to know
>WHEN a woman WANTS to be approached, and IF SO if that woman
>wants to be APPROACHED by THAT PARTICULAR MAN. Men have no way
>of knowing that.

yeah, you do.

she'll invite you if she wants you to approach. if she's not socially clueless, that is.

she'll smile or wave or return your smile or wave. it ain't hard to tell.

fuck you.

  

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55. "You Can't Tell These Days"
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>> Because there's no way for a man to know
>>WHEN a woman WANTS to be approached, and IF SO if that woman
>>wants to be APPROACHED by THAT PARTICULAR MAN. Men have no
>way
>>of knowing that.
>
>yeah, you do.
>
>she'll invite you if she wants you to approach. if she's not
>socially clueless, that is.
A LOT of people are socially clueless (I blame that on technology, people really don't know how to talk to people)...a smile doesn't necessarily mean she wants any attention. Unless she physically approaches a man, it's dumb for a guy to assume those old subtle hints work anymore.
>
>she'll smile or wave or return your smile or wave. it ain't
>hard to tell.
Based on the video, if a dude smiled at her, it was harassment.

And again, there's no way to justify the vast majority of creeps that do this to women. Women have every right to not want to be bothered. Only thing I'm saying is that if that's the case, the solution is for women to approach the men they want attention from. And for men, it's gotta start early for them to learn how to talk to women.

  

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66. "you sure can't tell. so fuck it."
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just holla at all of those trollops b/c they might want you and not even know it!

just go for it, guy.

nevermind anything that's been said. it's all been hogwash anyway.

fuck you.

  

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23. "What exactly constitutes "respectiful"?"
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As a man, it's not my job to assume or define what women find respectful.

In my mind, assuming a "Hello there, Miss, may I escort you to your next location in a gentlemanly fashion, with my sexual organs fully restrained from public display, and only a slightly creepy smile as we walk" is 'respectful' is as deluded as thinking a Black co-worker finds my repeatedly calling him "Bro" is respectful.

If someone wants you to talk to them or are open to any form of communication, and you're not Rain Man levels of autistic, you can pick up on those cues and have a delightful conversation with the opposite sex.

Otherwise, that shit has #creeplife #desperate and #thirsty written all the fuck over it.

  

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64. "Respectful Is Relative"
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>As a man, it's not my job to assume or define what women find
>respectful.
I agree. The problem is that although the vast majority of women do not like or tolerate that type of holla, there are a bunch of women that would definitely "Holla back" at those dudes in the video. So respectful for one woman is disrespect for another woman.

>In my mind, assuming a "Hello there, Miss, may I escort you to
>your next location in a gentlemanly fashion, with my sexual
>organs fully restrained from public display, and only a
>slightly creepy smile as we walk" is 'respectful' is as
>deluded as thinking a Black co-worker finds my repeatedly
>calling him "Bro" is respectful.
I agree. Respectful is introducing yourself (which is the best "game" there is). Even with a Hello, My name is____, women can STILL interpret that as harassment.

>If someone wants you to talk to them or are open to any form
>of communication, and you're not Rain Man levels of autistic,
>you can pick up on those cues and have a delightful
>conversation with the opposite sex.
>Otherwise, that shit has #creeplife #desperate and #thirsty
>written all the fuck over it.

These days is different. I blame the internet.

Like I said above, unless a woman comes up to me and literally talks to me, I always assume she doesn't want to be bothered. All those "cues" can be misinterpreted. And if I (or any man) misinterpret a woman being generally a friendly person for a woman that's interested in me, I can easily be categorized as "rapey" a "creep" or someone that's "harassing" her.

  

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6. "The irony is that catcalling is so unokplayery."
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The vast majority of dudes here probably never ever do it - I know I certainly don't.

  

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17. ""Peace, nubian queen""
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"Hotep, sistah"

"Oh my, your chakras are all the way open. Word to Oshun"

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19. ". . ."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMD5R8stRc

fuck you.

  

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29. "I've had a lot of sex with a lot of women, I've never street hollared"
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post-high school (and even then, I did it more out of peer-pressure)

  

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30. "I did it one time on Wisconsin Av. in Georgetown"
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like 10 years ago.

It felt weird, like trying to read words of a foreign language or play a new instrument for the first time.

  

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116. "+1"
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>The vast majority of dudes here probably never ever do it - I
>know I certainly don't.

  

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15. "for the butthurt men, this sums it up about as easy as possible"
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https://twitter.com/brownblaze/status/527183465792274432

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97. "i mean"
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136. "ths hr"
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nm

  

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24. "men who say "whats up" to other men on the street:"
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When you cross paths with a homeless man on the street, or as you are about to, do you make eye contact with them and say hello?

Or do you avoid eye contact, and try not to engage because you feel if you say hi the next thing they will ask for is some money?

When that guy comes on the train and makes his speech are you thankful that you have on ear buds and can ignore him?

Could I say that THAT interaction has been socialized to be economically charged, both in how you view the homeless man but also in how he esteems your value as being a wealthy person who can give up a dollar or two?

Ever been called our of your name cause you aint give them nothing?

And that is not even in the same volume of what women experience from most of us. Please just TRY to see things from their side, is all I'm saying.

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113. "RE: men who say "whats up" to other men on the street:"
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>When you cross paths with a homeless man on the street, or as
>you are about to, do you make eye contact with them and say
>hello?

Every day. Because of where I'm currently living I cross paths with homeless men and women every day when I walk to and from the corner stores around the block. I speak to all of them and I'd be a shitty person if I didn't. I've never felt like a person was so beneath me that I couldn't speak.


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120. "honestly I do too."
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And it took me resocializing myself to the basis of unilateral humanity. Very few of us are preying on those type of interactions. But men certainly do prey on interactions with women.

To meet a homeless man with your human mutuality is fine. To extend it beyond that, one shouldn't take offense to if you say a "hi" to a woman and it goes unreturned. No matter how well intentioned it's about you, and it's not about you, but her and everything she's up against.

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27. "I'd love some examples of successful street hollars"
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█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄â–â–ƒ
Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

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33. "Street hollas aren't limited to "aye bitch, lemme holla at'cha""
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Any time you approach a woman in public it's a holla.

My square ass has hollered at women in public and gotten phone numbers.

It was never on some "god bless you, mami" type shit though.

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34. "is there a bright line?"
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█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄â–â–ƒ
Big PEMFin H & z's
"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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36. "You mean like a pickup line?"
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mind
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39. "Are you from Tennessee, cause..."
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40. "... you look like Gangsta Boo. Really, are y'all related?"
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mind
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58. "chicks throw lines too"
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the one I used to get was "hey, are you x and x?" (random mix of ethnicities)

Or "hey, don't I know you?"

Chicks throw lines too but it's not nearly as common

  

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156. "Yea that seems to be the issue with all of this"
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To be honest I wouldn't even categorize the random disrespectful stuff as being a street holla. That's just plain Ole harassment.

This whole thing is messy because there's really no way to speak for every woman when it comes to the basic stuff. In that other post sowhat kept telling dudes to just nod and smile, meanwhile if a dude were to do that to me irl (in nyc of all places) I would be all the way creeped out lol but I have no issue whatsoever with men saying hello to me.

A smile and a nod from a stranger = I'm coming back later to throw you in my trunk or some shit...I can't even imagine how that would be anything other than weird irl lol

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44. "one time this lady who was real drunk and about to go to jail..."
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this ain't really what this post is about, but it was flabbergasting, so i'm gonna share and hopefully derail this post a little bit.

this (kind of older) woman is a trainwreck at the bar. starts hanging out and making out with 2 of my (younger, like 22ish) friends/co-workers. i say something about how hard she's going tonight and she says it's her last night of freedom.

so i sort of jokingly ask if she's getting married tomorrow. no, she responds, matter of factly, she's going to prison tomorrow.

so i'm thinking man we need to ditch this lady, get her back with whoever she came with, because this is how shit goes awry. but it ain't happening. she's dead set on going home with at least one of my friends.

so we're outside the bar and by this point my friends have realized this is a fucking terrible idea, so we're all kind of trying to figure out how to get rid of her, without being too terrible about it. at which point a guy on a Harley rolls up at the stoplight nearest the bar.

"Hey Hot Stuff, You lookin to party?" he yells. (Hot stuff is the best/worst phrase ever)

And with about 5 seconds of hesitation she hops on this random dude's bike and rides off.

It was amazing.

Probably not representative of your average "street holler" though.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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45. "i did a 3 month experiment years ago"
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i've told this story here before

i did this as a means to better face/handle rejection and to test another idea i was having about certain approaches

what i found is...the less concerned i seemed with the holler being "successful" the more it actually resulted in real communication...exchange of information and some cases sex

another observation i made is that standard lines were less likely to spark any of that without what i perceived as attraction

the other thing i tried was what most men dread...singling out a single woman out of a group...despite that working on occasion...it's just too intimidating a thing even after getting over rejection...it's an added aspect of potential ridicule...

im not saying these are things people should be doing en masse

the more personalize (based on observations) or the more random/quirky hollers had exponentially better success rates

the hey mas, the hello beautiful only worked when those social cues of mutual attraction was already met

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32. "This is a matter of not being able to read obvious social cues.. "
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not being able to.. or blatantly disregarding.

i posted this in the other one but it was in the 600's and i dont know if anyone even saw it.. my apologies if its repetitive.


but to those who say, "but its only hello".. and "how are we suppose to know if she wants us to holler or not"..

first of all..

yes.. it is SAD that human beings greeting one another as they pass is now harassment..

but its a direct result of people not being able to read basic social cues, or worse, blatantly ignoring them.

and purposefully ignoring obvious body language and social cues with intent to approach is undeniably harassment.

keep your (friendly and non-agenda) hello and have a nice day to the women who are walking with their head up, making eye contact and smiling as they walk by. by all means, if someone is obviously open to you, say hello.. its how humans, a social species, interact normally.

but if someone is walking with a purpose, or with their head down, or not making eye contact, or has headphones on, or is on their phone, or is sitting reading, or any other action or stance that shows they are not looking forward with pleasurable anticipation to your advances..

then they are NOT opening themselves to your communication. ANY of it. and if you are forcing your interaction on someone who is obviously not looking for it.. that is the very definition of harassment.

just look for that.
see it.

use basic reasoning and deduction to know if someone is looking for reciprocatable communication or not and RESPECT it.

and the VAST majority of women would prefer to NOT be hollered at on the street regardless of what you may think.

i dont understand this confusion men have.

its really not that complicated.

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37. "THIS."
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Yes, some women are open to an approach. Hollering at those women may give you the outcome you desire. LEARN HOW TO FUCKING RECOGNIZE THOSE WOMEN AND STOP CRYNG ABOUT THE REST.

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42. "^^ all of this."
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fuck you.

  

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49. "^^right"
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It's plenty of money to be made
from Candler Road to Bankhead
It's plenty of room to get paid
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59. "Basically"
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Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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61. "I agree with all of this. "
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And I think it's different from saying approaching women on the street is always harassment. If your not an a-hole and use common sense and you have social skills and context permits, you can figure out that window that might exist that's okay.

>not being able to.. or blatantly disregarding.
>
>i posted this in the other one but it was in the 600's and i
>dont know if anyone even saw it.. my apologies if its
>repetitive.
>
>
>but to those who say, "but its only hello".. and "how are we
>suppose to know if she wants us to holler or not"..
>
>first of all..
>
>yes.. it is SAD that human beings greeting one another as they
>pass is now harassment..
>
>but its a direct result of people not being able to read basic
>social cues, or worse, blatantly ignoring them.
>
>and purposefully ignoring obvious body language and social
>cues with intent to approach is undeniably harassment.
>
>keep your (friendly and non-agenda) hello and have a nice day
>to the women who are walking with their head up, making eye
>contact and smiling as they walk by. by all means, if someone
>is obviously open to you, say hello.. its how humans, a social
>species, interact normally.
>
>but if someone is walking with a purpose, or with their head
>down, or not making eye contact, or has headphones on, or is
>on their phone, or is sitting reading, or any other action or
>stance that shows they are not looking forward with
>pleasurable anticipation to your advances..
>
>then they are NOT opening themselves to your communication.
>ANY of it. and if you are forcing your interaction on someone
>who is obviously not looking for it.. that is the very
>definition of harassment.
>
>just look for that.
>see it.
>
>use basic reasoning and deduction to know if someone is
>looking for reciprocatable communication or not and RESPECT
>it.
>
>and the VAST majority of women would prefer to NOT be hollered
>at on the street regardless of what you may think.
>
>i dont understand this confusion men have.
>
>its really not that complicated.
>
>...
>
>Vee is I and I am She
>
>...
>
>http://twitter.com/#!/Phenomenality
>http://instagram.com/therealphenomenality
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94. "You're right, for the most part. But the reality is.."
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many women really don't mind it as much as you may.

No one wants to be harassed with the intensity and repetition shown in the video.

However, it isn't necessarily as black and white as you put it either.

There are many guys who are able to turn energy around by saying the right thing.

So a woman may start with an intense look, as if she's on a mission, but if the approach is correct that could change.

A lot of men bank on that.

The problem is that the most men get it wrong.

So here we are.

But the same way that men have to deal with the fallout from other men getting it wrong (i.e. this whole campaign to stop it altogether), many women have to deal with the fallout from other women not responding the same way (i.e. it continues, even if the success rate is relatively low).

Personally, my on-the-spot game has never been strong, so it's never been my thing. I've always been more of a get-to-know-me kinda guy. But others do pull it off from time to time, some more than others.

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104. "what the fuck is wrong with you?"
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seriously

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

WILL TYPING IN CAPS HELP?

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105. "you're a nut if you take that strong of an issue with this reply."
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If that's the case, move along.

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121. "the nut is the person that states"
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"you're right"
but these people over here are telling me what i want to hear

so i'm going to listen to them instead
"you're right"
but i dont care

thats insane thats privilege
thats a level of ridiculousness i cant fathom
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129. "It's a statement based in reality. Deal with it."
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Wed Oct-29-14 05:44 PM by daryloneal

  

          

Women just like any other group are not a monolith.

So the "rules" you try to create may apply to some, but not all.

The only notion in her statement that I was referring to was the one that suggested that if a woman appeared as if she was busy or otherwise occupied (i.e. reading, listening to music, etc), that you should take that cue and not attempt to "bother" her at all.

A simple, polite, "excuse me" and then waiting/watching for her response/body language will let you know whether or not to proceed.

That's a fact.

And that's all I'm saying.

Many women are not as averse to a non-offensive attempt at a conversation even if they had no initial intention to have one.

If you have an issue with that, that's your problem.

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134. "i am, i get to call you out on stupidity"
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repeatedly

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137. "gotcha.. so I was right the first time."
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You're just a nut.

Sorry, I don't interact with you enough to have known that up front.

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144. "you would be the nut actually"
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you fucking crazy


you're right but
if
and
but
i want to still do what i want to do

and i'm supposedly the "nut"
your ass is certifiable
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131. "Complete your thought &quot;What is wrong with you..for not thinking exa..."
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Wed Oct-29-14 05:54 PM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

like I think on this issue?!?!? Why can't you understand that the only way to think about this issue is the way I think about it!!!!"


Want to talk about entitlement, I think it's entitlement to think your POV is the only acceptable POV on this. It's easy to find a lot of even WOMEN who disagree with you.



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145. "my thought is complete"
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what the fuck is wrong with you when you can say she is right

there is NO BUT

there is NO if nor AND
there is NO

what he is saying

I WANT TO KEEP DOING WHAT I"M DOING
THOUGH I JUST SAID YOU'RE RIGHT


my thought is fucking complete
ya'll though
i question if you have a fully formed rational thought period
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146. "a person can make 4 statements, 3 being correct and 1 not, dumbass."
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Wed Oct-29-14 07:37 PM by daryloneal

  

          

Hence the statement "You're right, for the MOST part".

One is able to agree in whole or in part.

Or does this not register for you?

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169. "only dumbass here is you"
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147. "but he said you are right ....for the most part. "
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He didn't completely agree with her. Then he articulated how he didn't completely agree with her.

*shrugs*


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170. "which means he actually does not agree"
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It's called a lack of logic
And I get to call it exactly what it is
Patriarchy
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215. "It means he does not wholly agree. He partially agrees. Which also mean..."
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he partially disagrees. And it also means he does not wholly disagree. And so forth.


Really? It needs to be broken down like that?


>It's called a lack of logic
>And I get to call it exactly what it is
>Patriarchy
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.


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140. "you don't see how this thinking is part of the issue?"
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>So a woman may start with an intense look, as if she's on a
>mission, but if the approach is correct that could change.

if a man does this to 10 women and 9 get annoyed but it works on 1, eff those other chicks?

it reminds me of the 'but my other black friends let me say n*gga, what's your problem?' argument

  

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141. "This is a reality whether the woman is smiling or frowning..."
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Wed Oct-29-14 07:28 PM by daryloneal

  

          

>if a man does this to 10 women and 9 get annoyed but it works
>on 1, eff those other chicks?
>

which is why the average man will take a shot either way.

Like I said, this has never been my style, personally. I'm just stating facts.

As for your nigga comparison... White people can say nigga as much as they want to. They do it anyway. Just don't call me that. I'm not making up rules for all black people, because not all black people have a problem with it, but I will speak for myself.

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101. "its not fucking hard"
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>not being able to.. or blatantly disregarding.
>
>i posted this in the other one but it was in the 600's and i
>dont know if anyone even saw it.. my apologies if its
>repetitive.
>
>
>but to those who say, "but its only hello".. and "how are we
>suppose to know if she wants us to holler or not"..
>
>first of all..
>
>yes.. it is SAD that human beings greeting one another as they
>pass is now harassment..
>
>but its a direct result of people not being able to read basic
>social cues, or worse, blatantly ignoring them.
>
>and purposefully ignoring obvious body language and social
>cues with intent to approach is undeniably harassment.
>
>keep your (friendly and non-agenda) hello and have a nice day
>to the women who are walking with their head up, making eye
>contact and smiling as they walk by. by all means, if someone
>is obviously open to you, say hello.. its how humans, a social
>species, interact normally.
>
>but if someone is walking with a purpose, or with their head
>down, or not making eye contact, or has headphones on, or is
>on their phone, or is sitting reading, or any other action or
>stance that shows they are not looking forward with
>pleasurable anticipation to your advances..
>
>then they are NOT opening themselves to your communication.
>ANY of it. and if you are forcing your interaction on someone
>who is obviously not looking for it.. that is the very
>definition of harassment.
>
>just look for that.
>see it.
>
>use basic reasoning and deduction to know if someone is
>looking for reciprocatable communication or not and RESPECT
>it.
>
>and the VAST majority of women would prefer to NOT be hollered
>at on the street regardless of what you may think.
>
>i dont understand this confusion men have.
>
>its really not that complicated.


its fucking willful ignorance
and pisses me off


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118. "Funny how this is almost exactly what I said last night. "
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Got a different reaction though. You were jumping down my throat calling me a sad, lonely ass antisocial. But now you're cosigning lol.

I said saying, "Hi, how are you?" is normal, social, human behavior. Especially in the South. And it was weird that people were demonizing such simple behavior.

I admonished those in the video who shouted comments at random passerbys.

I even said, and I quote, "And if I catch the right SOCIAL CUE and I'm feeling confident, I may try to strike up a conversation with said cutie."

But for all that I got called a clown, a loser, etc. Guess it sounds better to you today? *shrugs*


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122. "no this isnt what you said last night"
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you said you are going to continue to talk to strangers
because its your southern way


SHE is saying dont talk to people who are giving you non verbal cues NOT TO TALK TO THEM


btu no you are "southern"
you "must be polite"
and talk specifically to "women"
because apparently men you dont need to be polite to

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128. "Why do you keep skipping over me saying I look out for social cues?"
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I understand it doesn't fit with you attack and your agenda. But it is written right there.

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135. "no one believes you"
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esp not something who insists on a racist classist sexist southern system as the 'right' way to be


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138. "why are you so angry? "
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143. "why arent you?"
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your ass was ready to march for a murdered black men
but women get hurt, raped and killed daily
but nah
you cool with that
aint shit to get upset about huh?
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152. "you should smile more"
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198. "yo"
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157. "speaking in the south isn't something that's just done to women"
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Not sure what your comment even means... It's just some polite shit that people do.

It's no different than saying "thanks" or whatever.



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158. "That's what I was going to say, but I was tired of speaking to him/her"
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I say hi to damn near any person I make eye contact with or is my general vicinity. Little did I know I was street hollering and harassing men, women, and children all this time

Small talk was invented in the South. Just today I talked to about 5 strangers about the weather, the Cowboys, and the weather some more.
Both men and women. Wasn't thinking about sticking my dick in any of them.

That's why those taking such a hard line on some, "NEVER SPEAK TO WOMEN IN PUBLIC!!!" sound so insane to me.








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167. "He's insisted his right to speak "
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is steeped in southern "manners"

It's only polite when it's welcomed
Which he insists it is all the time because hey he's southern
He's lying about social cues he hasn't a damn clue
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38. "I've walked past women on the street and fired up a conversation"
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and yes I was attracted to them and was hoping to acquire the digits, or at least an Instagram handle...and I've had relative success w/ that approach. Success defined by a respectful exchange that led to either a fairly interesting conversation and/or an exchange of personal information.

It's not so much about when/where you approach a woman as it is *how* you approach a woman.

Sure, there are women who simply do not want to be approached, anywhere, for whatever reason. Using common sense and observing her body language/mannerisms can often clue one into her level of openness towards a conversation....but I've found that when a woman has caught my attention, and I lead with a simple "Excuse me..." and then await her response, that it's an effective way to start a convo.

A woman can respond to that 'excuse me..." in a myriad of ways:

-ignore it entirely and walk past you on some FOH steez
-stop, look up at you, smile, and invite you to continue your approach
-respond, but in a way that says 'i'm just being nice, #kthxbye

etc.. etc...

I don't necessarily think there are *public* venues that automatically render the approaching party as violative simply because they approached...the violation is in the level of respect afforded in *how* you approach.

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46. "just let women start hollering at men."
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Why do y'all keep fighting this?

  

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126. "I'm kinda in this line too."
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Women should be as empowered to choose. We fon't have to make it like they MUST be chosen.

It'd definitely make some bros a lot less thirsty.

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47. "Comment from a female on the youtube post"
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I think this had some poor examples. I completely agree that cat calling is annoying, degrading, creepy, and uncomfortable and the guy following her for 5 minutes, the ones who mutter "damn!" and "hey sexxxxyyyy", or the guy who kept asking "Am I that ugly?" would be a part of that description. I also understand that sometimes when guys say "Have a good evening" they are sometimes looking for you to respond so it gives them permission to pursue you....with that being said...

If someone says "Good morning!" or "Good evening!" I respond back always as it's the polite thing to do. If someone says "You're beautiful!", I generally hate compliments but I will always respond with a "Thank you! Have a good day!" and continue a long. If they try to pursue anything more I THEN either politely decline in conversation or what have you. But saying "Good morning!" should not condemn a man to being a pig and I refuse to stop being polite to every man I meet just because of a few bad eggs who don't know the idea of speaking to a lady.

Then again, I'm from the south...."Good morning/afternoon/evening!" , "How's it going?", "Hello/Hey/Hi!", etc. are the norm out here. We say it everyday to people we pass by and the majority of people I find say it as a polite acknowledgement of your existence as opposed to ignoring you and staring at the sidewalk.

I'm not for cat calling at all (it gives me a lot of anxiety). I've had it done and the people that talk to women in a demeaning way need to take a class in etiquette. There are proper ways to compliment women and there are improper ways. And there are definitely some people in this video who need to learn some respect. I get what the video's message is and I totally am for it and respect it, but some of the examples are kind of ridiculous.

  

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50. "good for her!"
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it changes nothing that's been said.

even down south - before that 'hello', get a smile first. some confirmation of openness to communication. b/c not everybody down south is a Southerner. and not all Southerners participate in that 'hello' thing. and not all 'hello' participants want to be bothered w/'hello' at all times.

and, more importantly, even down south - women have a RIGHT to be left alone and NOT acknowledged by strangers on the street. they have a right not to experience a 'hello' or 'good morning' from a stranger. to ignore that right is dehumanizing. to couch it in 'tradition' or 'pleasantries' is disingenuous.

fuck you.

  

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52. "Another comment, lmao "
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No offense but calling face to face communication harassment is rather close-minded. The people who did have vulgar, or more "clear" intentions all looked younger. What do you expect when all over social media are girls portraying themselves as some sort of sex symbol, girls take this "twerking" and nearly nude modelling as a profession now (not referring to porn or magazine modelling, but rather instagram/vine) All the videos of "gold digger pranks, etc" is this video implying that people who appear to be less financially successful should not approach women, else it be deemed as sexual harassment. Get real, these types of videos are low, worst part is this "Hollaback foundation" asking for a donation, to end what? People communicating face-to-face? Creator/Director/Producer; Rob Bliss - ignorance truly is Bliss.

  

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54. "great for her!"
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nothing has changed.

fuck you.

  

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56. "LOL you arguing against the people you supposed to be rallying for "
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Funny how fake ass movements work aint it?

  

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62. "that comment represents the end of the entire movement, player."
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you're totally right.

b/c that woman or a few women disagree w/the effort then the whole thing is bullshit.

absolutely.

don't worry, once the effort fails these tramps will remain firmly in their place and will have no choice but to accept polite, respectful hollas as they are supposed to do.

that's grand.

fuck you.

  

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69. "ok so this is sowhat's avoidance mode...I get it"
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Fact remains that this "movement" is not a movement because you can't build enough consensus to make even people outside of OKP validate it.

I'm all for people feeling safe, but I also want to make sure its a constructive conversation.

I'm just tripping off the fact that you are one of the more logical posters here yet you are co-signing these over-done over-hyped examples of "supposed" harassment. You can't be thinking rationally about this and say that a man saying hello to a woman on the street is harassment because 10 other guys did it too.

You're a lawyer, would that shit stand in court?

  

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71. "it's not a movement at all."
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http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/online/

fuck you.

  

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73. "DOG can you say that a man saying hello is covered under these?"
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This is from the site...

Catcalls, sexually explicit comments, sexist remarks, homophobic slurs, groping, leering, stalking, flashing, and assault.

  

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74. "which answer do you want?"
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that's the answer.

fuck you.

  

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77. "ok so this is sowhat's you have a point so I'll ignore it mode, I get th..."
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78. "yes, i cannot refute whatever you said and so now i'm ignoring it."
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that's it exactly.

fuck you.

  

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124. "he dont want your answers sway"
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dudes are going to work over time
double and triple time
to find the answers THEY WANT
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60. "i'm awfully persuaded by the crowded street point"
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there aren't too many manhattan type busy streets in "the south."

the comment strikes me as similar to my initial thoughts.

there's a cultural disconnect between people who regularly look people they pass on the street (because there are 1 or 2 on the block instead of 100) in the eye and share a greeting and people who are in extremely busy parts of major metros.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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63. "that's neat, guy."
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fuck you.

  

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75. "hmmm"
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it's been a habit of mine to acknowledge anyone making eye contact with me since a youth. could go from a nod to a hello. just engrained in me to do as a courtesy. perhaps from being born down south, even if i lived the majority of my life in NY. no intents. still do it as a married man.

now it could be said this isn't a street hollar, but it seems like the difference is intent which is almost impossible to bright line.

i'm rambling but just wondering how we deal with this without ridding the world of general courtesies which can lead to a differnt cultural feel. and that is real because while it isn't indicative of everything, when i go back south where there's a culture for it, it does feel more comforting socially. safe even.


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79. "yes. good."
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fuck you.

  

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87. "nah but seriously..."
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i get this is an awareness campaign, but i'm really trying to understand what line will be drawn. the way it's presented as an issue makes it feel like an all or nothing wager, and because it's not a bright line i'm wondering how one applies it practically.


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89. "yeah, man i don't think there's an answer."
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so fuck it all.

fuck you.

  

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99. "there prolly is an answer"
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question is can we do the work to get to it?

i take it you're tired of the discussion at this point. i'm just late to the party.

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102. "answers have been proposed over and over."
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and yet so many ppl like you are in the discussion wringing your hands talking about how impossible it is to fix the problem.

the fix is proposed over and fucking over.

but y'all don't want it. it's clearly more important to you ppl to protect your perceived right to talk to strange women in public settings w/o regard for any right they have not to be bothered or greeted or whatever.

so fuck this conversation. i'm done.

i'm going to act brand new just like you ppl. b/c fuck it.

fuck you.

  

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109. "hi, i'm imcvspl... i barely skimmed the other post"
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>and yet so many ppl like you are in the discussion wringing
>your hands talking about how impossible it is to fix the
>problem.

no i'm actually trying to make sure that the nuances are being addressed, because from what i have seen it's mostly awareness and stop.

>the fix is proposed over and fucking over.

i haven't seen what you're referring to. can you help me out?

>but y'all don't want it.

i'm not yall. and i do want it. i want my daughters to walk the street without being harassed and don't want them being afraid to be publicly courteous. i will share with my son that it is inappropriate to harass and also that it's important to be courteous in public. this is actually a critical thing because when he goes to his mom's home it's outright rude to not be courteous. everyone speaks to each other.

>it's clearly more important to you
>ppl to protect your perceived right to talk to strange women
>in public settings w/o regard for any right they have not to
>be bothered or greeted or whatever.

you got me way wrong.

>so fuck this conversation. i'm done.
>
>i'm going to act brand new just like you ppl. b/c fuck it.

again apologies for whatever you've dealt with elsewhere, but i ain't that.


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111. "------------------------------------------------------------------------..."
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http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/educating-boys-men/

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/how-to-talk-to-women/

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/bystander-tips/

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115. "ok i'm here"
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http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/definitions/

"it's not a compliment, it's harassment" is in a banner on the right.

I can get with the definitions detailed below because they are bright lined. But that banner is not and I think that clouds the message.

I think it'd also be important to detail what exactly is not street harassment.

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119. "great."
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email the site host about the banner issue.

good luck w/it.

as long as you are looking for reasons to critique the effort i'm sure you'll find plenty. just like you found that huge bold box on that page and commented on it but said nothing about the content on the page.

again, best of luck finding reasons to shoot down the effort. you will be successful.

join your brethren below in going through Youtube comments on the Shoshanna video looking for women who disagree w/the point made in the video. there will be enough for you, i'm sure.

fuck you.

  

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123. "c'mon "
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>as long as you are looking for reasons to critique the effort
>i'm sure you'll find plenty.

stop trying to paint me in a box.

>just like you found that huge
>bold box on that page and commented on it but said nothing
>about the content on the page.

i actually did comment on the content, noting that all of the definitions presented clear bright lines. that's what's important to me. one of the clear bright lines is the sexual nature of street harassments.

i will say that it'd be better served with one clear definition, but it was good to see the relative consistency between the examples presented. which is what makes the banner stand out because it's not consistent.

>again, best of luck finding reasons to shoot down the effort.
>you will be successful.

i'm not trying to shoot anything down, if anything i'm trying to figure out how it can be stronger.

>join your brethren below in going through Youtube comments on
>the Shoshanna video looking for women who disagree w/the point
>made in the video. there will be enough for you, i'm sure.

you literally are the only person i've been talking about this with. we not bredren no more?


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125. "i'm done w/this conversation, holmes."
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i'm sure you can find groups who will welcome productive conversation on this topic and even IRL action. they're really working on the issue for real. the site i gave you has links. if not there then just google 'street harassment'. or go back to that post and poke around on links several of us posted. you will find kindred spirits.

but i'm over it.

fuck you.

  

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127. "seen"
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76. "RE: Comment from a female on the youtube post"
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107. "because like uncle toms"
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we have women who ALSO enforce status quo

and guess WHO you and other men would RATHER listen to?

yes like white people point to clarence thomas and go
but he said
blankity blankity
ie: EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD RATHER HEAR AND DO

guess what this is?
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51. "thoughts from a transgender woman:"
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@tgirlinterruptd @iHollaBack wont talk about safety of WOC in a city growing increasingly unsafe from the sexual harrasment of gentrifying& tourist white men

The only thing it will do is appropriate Blk women's experience w/cat calling to center white womanhood while erasing us for a hot campaign

I mean since its so rosey & I NEVER see campaigns using white masculinity as a source & marker of violent terror

Im going to step away for a moment & not use the term WOC. Because its Blk pathology being used to scare ppl into action

Then the insult of a campaign name using AAVE.White women I wanna know what sexual assault looks like from men who actually have access to u

These women are appealing to their institutions of whiteness to remove this threat from them & all I can think of is Till & a whistle

  

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57. "good for her!"
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nothing is changed or challenged.

the issue is bigger than Hollaback or that video.

plenty pro-Black women and pro-trans women are involved in the effort.

fuck you.

  

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65. "fixed"
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>nothing is changed or challenged.

>SoWhat's issue is bigger than Hollaback or that video.

  

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68. "absolutely. i created the issue out of whole cloth."
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and now i have egg on my face b/c it's all being undone by Youtube comments.

fuck you.

  

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70. "RE: absolutely. i made the video into my own separate soapbox issue"
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72. "i really did."
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and now that ppl are commenting on the video in a manner that contradicts something i said the entire thing is over.

fuck you.

  

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81. "RE: i derail discourse with cheeky sarcasm to avoid addressing points"
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83. "i do it b/c you are my intellectual superior and i have no choice."
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it's the only way i can save face. and you are right to belabor the point b/c it's the only way i'll learn my lesson and remain in my place. if you keep this up i will eventually stop challenging ideas you cosign - b/c you're more normal than i am or than most of us here and you provide a voice of reason. i would do well to just listen and agree w/you and stop presenting alternative thoughts.

fuck you.

  

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95. "re: Im trapped in this sarcasm vortex. I cant communicate like an adult"
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96. "the question is: why?"
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fuck you.

  

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108. "take that up with your shrink, boy boy. I holla."
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110. "gosh that was so witty."
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i hope my next post is so filled w/wit.

fuck you.

  

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154. "thoughts from a transracial black woman regarding don imus:"
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159. "She read the fuck outta that 'campaign'...maybe I need to get on twitter..."
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nm

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67. "Response Videos"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hOj_ma0h1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH1-YMxehaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85-a8nfQvmU

  

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80. "I was about to straight bullet point"
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my issues with a lot of this but didn't really feel like it...

i don't know if I feel like we've already reached agree to disagree part of the session or if certain things are just being overlooked

that being said...i'm all for moderation/reform of street hollers

but don't think it's going to solve the "fear of men" issue nor does it address why their will still be issues bc nobody seems willing to figure out why or how to make the direction of pursuit bilateral

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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88. "yeah it's done. "
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82. "Hey you Neanderthals, stop talking to women in the street. ---- Forever"
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Wait until the go into the grocery store, the mall, the car wash, the post office or even church. But never talk to a woman on the street you harassing jerk.

  

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85. "lol, so wait until you've effectively followed her into a closed space?"
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what the feezy.

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90. "Exactly. Catch here by the Cream Corn and go for broke."
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139. "case won"
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91. "With God on my side, I'm sure the women will see my good intentions"
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And by 'good intentions' I mean 'penis'

And by 'see' I mean 'laugh at'

  

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93. "kinda surprised "parking garage" wasn't included"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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98. "How about a Horse Stable. "
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106. "Case out here street harassing women in a time machine"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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86. "Only where you can corner her in a dark area...."
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92. "You gotta spit game when they're vacuuming the whip."
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112. "^Priceless, haha."
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________________________________________________

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114. "my good friend weighed in on what's WRONG with this video [link/swipe]"
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http://www.djnphared.com/blog/2014/10/29/street-harassment

When I first got wind of a video going around that chronicled the experience of a woman walking through New York City, I was intrigued and a little bit happy to see something like that get put together. I have a few female friends that live in the NYC and all have shared with me experiences with street harassment, even flipping the phrase "Ay Yo Ma" on it's head and branding it. So I decide to check out what all the fuss was about, legitimately eager to see the result. What I ended up watching really scared me. And not in a way that the creators of the video may or may not have intended

Before I go any further, let me make something abundantly clear: None of the behavior by the men in this video is excusable. Every interaction was clearly motivated sexually, so comments that seemed innocent to the uninitiated are actually just as toxic. If you want more insight on that verbal coding, you can check out my brother Bambu's track "The Queen is Dead" for a more articulate breakdown.

Additionally, I have no doubts that the interactions were authentic and nothing was "staged" to provoke these catcalls. This looks like an honest and realistic portrayal of this particular woman's experience walking through the particular areas that this was filmed it. But there, hidden in that premise, lies the problem.

As I watched this video, I became more and more troubled. Not just by the behavior of the men, but what became more and more abundantly clear, from my perspective. This seemed like a deliberately selective presentation of all the interactions that may have occurred during this experiment. The lack of diversity among the offenders was obvious. And being born and partly raised in NYC, and maintaining strong ties to it, the neighborhood selections were obvious and seemed deliberate. Something that could have brought real perspective to a real issue facing all women came off to me as propaganda for an existing and ugly sentiment: these black and brown men just can't act right.

Maybe that's a leap for some of you, and that's fine if it is. Unfortunately for me, it really isn't. And it's something the creators Hollaback! themselves are aware of, having hedged the video's shortcomings with information vaguely noting that "the reality is that the harassment that people of color and LGBTQ individuals face is oftentimes more severe and more likely to escalate into violence." This is absolutely true, but none of that is addressed nor exists in this video. None of that is being championed along with the obvious topic during this viral spread of the video.

Do black and brown men need to do better? Yes. There's no argument there. But it's not just black and brown men that need to do better. It's ALL men. Period. No qualifiers. This video doesn't show me that, nor did it come off as even trying to attempt to. Instead, it played into the faulty societal perception that I see a lot: "It's them, not us."

A great deal of society likes to pretend that black and brown men invented misogyny, that black and brown men are the only ones abusing their significant others, and that black and brown men are the only ones that "holla". This is disgustingly untrue. Yes, the men in that video are a party to the problem, but they're far from alone. None of the men in that video are paying the women they harass less money for the same work. None of those men in that video are denying women access to birth control and contraception, and none of them are legislating against a woman's choice to decide what she does with her body.

On my last trip to New York City, my ex and I met with her friend from college who works on Wall Street and told us to come down to the area to meet for dinner. As the three of us walked to get food, both of them were consistently harassed by all men. This included men in button-ups, men working construction, men in suits, police officers, all of whom included a white man within each segment. None of that is present in this video, but it occurs with the same frequency. Why? (Rhetorical question.)

I'm not out to shift blame or to discredit the issue of how women are treated by society. Men have a lot of work to do in the behaviors we exhibit, myself included. I'm simply disappointed in the manner which this particular project was presented if only for the fact that whether it was intended or not, it's a tailor-made tool for those who wish to push very dangerous agendas and perceptions of black and brown men. And in the words of the song I linked earlier, "somebody check me if I'm wrong".

Just keep in mind, this happened in the name of supposedly defending a white woman from street harassment by a black teenager...

  

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130. "I am starting to realize certain arguments only happen on OKP"
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I want everyone to do a little homework. Show this video to a few people in the flesh (men and women) and discuss it. Ask for people's reaction.

I am finding that the conversation is going waaaaay different in person.


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132. "bet. how many is a few? "
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133. "gosh! You mean IRL ppl don't understand the problem of street harassment..."
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Oh shit! That means you win, Buddy G! Congratulations.

fuck you.

  

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148. "See y'all's thing is if you don't agree, then you don't understand."
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But if I discuss this with women who I know are smart, reasonable, and progressive and they don't agree with the folks I don't know who are arguing that merely speaking to a woman in public is offensive, whose opinion should I give more weight to?


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150. "good for you, Buddy."
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fuck you.

  

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151. "That's cause irl you can address nuance"
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The net deals more in extremes

Famousfarrah.com <--- a webseries I worked on

  

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177. "yup..."
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142. "#TeamSoWhat "
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next time I'm in Chicago, I'm buying you a drink. you've got waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more patience than me cause i can't keep debating fools. it gives me hives. thanks for fighting the good fight with these idiots.

  

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153. "RE: #TeamSoWhat "
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totally wish he would meet with some of us
i'd also buy him a drink
give him a hug
be his wingwoman
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162. "SoWhat is kind of full of it. He knows he has done the unsolicited..."
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Advance before.

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164. "and i did it like a BAWSE."
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it went just like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMD5R8stRc

fuck you.

  

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149. "archive"
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160. "So what have we learned here?"
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1. A lot of men don't consider this harassment.

2. Even though some men agree that this is a nuance, they do not care because its about them and how THEY may miss their opportunity with whomever. So they must engage regardless of how the other party may feel. Cuz ya never know! She might like it!

3. Some women feel obligated to engage men in unwanted advances in order to reduce the outcome of further harrassment or violence. Which is fucking sad.

That's about it.

I do have a question though for women. What percentage of men that approached you on the street have you actually been open to or interested in? Do you mostly engage them because " you're just being polite " or are you genuinely interested?

  

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161. "If that's your take away, you weren't trying to hear what the more"
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Reasonable dudes were trying to say.

For starters, you missing the point that not all street interactions are the same.

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163. "Generally I agree."
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>Reasonable dudes were trying to say.
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>For starters, you missing the point that not all street
>interactions are the same.
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>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/


I understand that, I fall into the category of women that don't mind being approached in street, but that doesn't mean that I don't sympathize with women that do find it troubling.

Again you're making the issue about you. Not (you) per se but about men. It's not about you (men) and what your intentions may or may not be. You have to step out of your own shoes for a second. You and a plethora of other men put themselves into the " but my interactions are harmless, so it should be ok!" category and that's part of the problem. You're only thinking about yourselves, and not how you may or ( may not be ) impacting other parties. It's insensitivity.

  

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166. "I get that. "
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>>Reasonable dudes were trying to say.
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>>For starters, you missing the point that not all street
>>interactions are the same.
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>>**********
>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>>http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/
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>I understand that, I fall into the category of women that
>don't mind being approached in street, but that doesn't mean
>that I don't sympathize with women that do find it troubling.
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>Again you're making the issue about you. Not (you) per se but
>about men. It's not about you (men) and what your intentions
>may or may not be. You have to step out of your own shoes for
>a second. You and a plethora of other men put themselves into
>the " but my interactions are harmless, so it should be ok!"
>category and that's part of the problem. You're only thinking
>about yourselves, and not how you may or ( may not be )
>impacting other parties. It's insensitivity.


I understand that for certain women, especially certain women who have had certain bad experiences like sexual assault, a simple hello can be perceived as a threat.

I think guys should be sensitive that when they approach girls on the street.

However, I think it would be a mistake to define and restrict all social interaction based on the most sensitive members of society.

I think a world where saying hello is deemed "offensive" and "dehumanizing" is a world that sucks. And I think most people would agree. I am just saying that the women and men who think that way need to step outside of themselves maybe and understand that they aren't the ones who get to define all society interaction for everyone else just because of their sensitivities.

In my neighborhood a mother was complaining about an ice cream truck at the playground because she didn't want her children eating ice cream because they were diabetic. Does that woman have a right to keep all the kids from having access to the ice cream truck because her kids were diabetic?




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168. "RE: I get that. "
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>>>Reasonable dudes were trying to say.
>>>
>>>For starters, you missing the point that not all street
>>>interactions are the same.
>>>
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>>>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>>>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>>>
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>>
>>
>>I understand that, I fall into the category of women that
>>don't mind being approached in street, but that doesn't mean
>>that I don't sympathize with women that do find it
>troubling.
>>
>>Again you're making the issue about you. Not (you) per se
>but
>>about men. It's not about you (men) and what your intentions
>>may or may not be. You have to step out of your own shoes
>for
>>a second. You and a plethora of other men put themselves
>into
>>the " but my interactions are harmless, so it should be ok!"
>>category and that's part of the problem. You're only
>thinking
>>about yourselves, and not how you may or ( may not be )
>>impacting other parties. It's insensitivity.
>
>
>I understand that for certain women, especially certain women
>who have had certain bad experiences like sexual assault, a
>simple hello can be perceived as a threat.
>
>I think guys should be sensitive that when they approach girls
>on the street.
>
>However, I think it would be a mistake to define and restrict
>all social interaction based on the most sensitive members of
>society.
>
>I think a world where saying hello is deemed "offensive" and
>"dehumanizing" is a world that sucks. And I think most people
>would agree. I am just saying that the women and men who
>think that way need to step outside of themselves maybe and
>understand that they aren't the ones who get to define all
>society interaction for everyone else just because of their
>sensitivities

That's the beauty of it, people are going to fight for things that directly impact them. Just because it does not directly impact you or you don't have a sensitivity to it does not trivialize that issue for someone else. Not saying that we should operate in extremes at all, but healthy conversation and education about these issues will provide relief for both sides. Majority of women are in here saying hey don't I like being cat called or addressed in the streets, and in turn telling you where they PREFER to have these interactions. Of course it's up to you whether you take to advice or not, but they're basically telling you how to win with them.

>In my neighborhood a mother was complaining about an ice cream
>truck at the playground because she didn't want her children
>eating ice cream because they were diabetic. Does that woman
>have a right to keep all the kids from having access to the
>ice cream truck because her kids were diabetic?
>

Now this is a bad example of operating in extremes. If her kids are diabetic perhaps she should fight for the truck to have a sugar free ice cream option. Everybody wins.

Same with the women, nobody is trying to get you all to stop interacting with women period, they're saying hey if you want to interact I don't like " xyz " but " xyz " is time a better time and place for it. Everybody wins

  

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180. "Part of the problem is that women are different. So from a man's point ..."
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view, you don't know until you try/ask.

That said, I'm not referring to obvious inappropriate behavior. The:

"Hey Baby"

"Yo sexy"

"Damn ma!"

"Come here!"

*arm grab, arm grab*

Those guys are jerks and fools, and are the ones who are most likely hanging outside with nothing better to do, thus finding entertainment in bothering the women that pass by. It seems that this represents the majority of what was shown in the video.

This is the major disconnect in the argument, going back to the earlier point. Not all street communications are equal. And not all women take issue with ALL street communication. So when this debate comes up, people are usually arguing different things.

Even if you try to establish "rules" regarding "safe" venues and "signs" of an okay to say anything to a woman, it doesn't necessarily guarantee an increased success/less offensive rate. It isn't always that you said something, sometimes it's what you said. It isn't always what is said, sometimes it's who says it.

Even if a woman is walking down the street smiling, that doesn't mean that she is okay/comfortable with YOU saying something to her. She can be just as nervous as someone frowning. Even if a woman sitting in a bar/club smiling and sipping a drink, that doesn't mean that she will be comfortable with/open to YOU occupying the stool next to her. The opposite is also true.

So round and round we go.

I remember being in NY on the subway when I was single and noticed an attractive woman sitting down (I was standing near her) with her head down writing. Barely looked up at all. I eventually somehow got her attention and said "excuse me, you mind if I ask what you're writing?". She replied, "oh I'm working on a play". From there we chatted on the train, she ended up getting off at my stop to continue the conversation, we exchanged numbers, and dated for a little while.

Now based on the opinions in these threads, I should have taken her head being down and being busy as a cue to not say anything to her. We eventually had a brief conversation about it and she said "You certainly weren't the first person to ask me what I was writing on the train, but you were very nice so I went for it."

If I would have been deterred by all the other men that MAY have said "hello" to her that day, I would have missed out.

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186. "RE: Part of the problem is that women are different. So from a man's po..."
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Again, you're making it about you. EYE woulda missed MY chance if I didn't interrupt her writing!

I'm not saying that there arent women that are and will be receptive to it, actually I think most will actually engage you because it IS the polite thing to do.

I'm even willing to bet that if you took a poll and asked women most of em would say that they prefer to be left alone period when out in the streets even though they may engage the men.

But I could be wrong :shrugs:

  

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190. "RE: Part of the problem is that women are different. So from a man's po..."
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>Again, you're making it about you. EYE woulda missed MY
>chance if I didn't interrupt her writing!

Yes, if I'm interested in a woman, my approach is based on MY interest. I don't yet know her well enough to know her interest. So I asked. I didn't assume, I asked (i.e. "WOULD YOU MIND if I asked you what you are writing). And she didn't mind. If she would have said the opposite I would have let it go. There's nothing wrong with that.


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185. "See we are soo close to being on the same page. "
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>That's the beauty of it, people are going to fight for things
>that directly impact them. Just because it does not directly
>impact you or you don't have a sensitivity to it does not
>trivialize that issue for someone else. Not saying that we
>should operate in extremes at all, but healthy conversation
>and education about these issues will provide relief for both
>sides.

That's great. Agree with all of that. Just as long as we understand that healthy Conversation doesn't mean we are all going to agree.


Majority of women are in here saying hey don't I like
>being cat called or addressed in the streets, and in turn
>telling you where they PREFER to have these interactions. Of
>course it's up to you whether you take to advice or not, but
>they're basically telling you how to win with them.

Cool. That's how to win them. And brothers should understand when they get no play on the street this is the reason why. But the other side of that is that there are other women who are cool with it and there is no telling which women are which until you say, respectfully, "Hi!"


>>In my neighborhood a mother was complaining about an ice
>cream
>>truck at the playground because she didn't want her children
>>eating ice cream because they were diabetic. Does that woman
>>have a right to keep all the kids from having access to the
>>ice cream truck because her kids were diabetic?
>>
>
>Now this is a bad example of operating in extremes. If her
>kids are diabetic perhaps she should fight for the truck to
>have a sugar free ice cream option. Everybody wins.

Exactly! In the win win the mother of the diabetic realized it wasn't cool to try and shut everyone down because of her preferences. She acknowledged that her preferences weren't everyone's preferences.

>Same with the women, nobody is trying to get you all to stop
>interacting with women period, they're saying hey if you want
>to interact I don't like " xyz " but " xyz " is time a better
>time and place for it. Everybody wins


Saying I don't like to be addressed on the street so no man should address women on the streets is the equivalent of saying no ice cream for anyone because my kid can't have ice cream.

Saying respectful hollerations under the right circumstances if the woman appears open to it and falling back if she doesn't is the equivalent of having a sugar free option.


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188. "My only problem with this is"
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>Saying respectful hollerations under the right circumstances
>if the woman appears open to it and fallning back if she
>doesn't is the equivalent of having a sugar free option.

The interpretation is left up to the individual. " Appearing to be open " is gonna vary from person to person. I'm 100% sure that the men in the video interpretted Shoshanna briskly walking by, not making eye contact, and straight faced as open.

There really just is no right answer here. :shrugs:

  

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165. "As long as men want to fuck women there will be street hollering"
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But unfortunately we live in a crude world so too many do crudely

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171. "Women want to fuck men too"
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But they aren't in the streets cat calling em, following them around, and berating them when they aren't interested.

Of course there are exceptions to this, but not nearly as common.

  

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182. "RE: Women want to fuck men too"
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I'm not saying aggressive hollering is appropriate

Just that it's due to their environment

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172. "Soo, Alicia Keys was harassing dude in "You Don't Know My Name""
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Dude was just minding his business eating his lunch (not a venue for meeting people) and his waitress approaches him (captive audience) she then goes on to tell him what he eats everyday (stalker much?) and then asks him out (unsolicited holleration).

What's the verdict?

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175. "I was listening to that song yesterday actually "
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And was thinking to myself, damn she thirsty shit. I didn't think it was cute or funny

  

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178. "smh.. what used to be attraction is now called thirst. "
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can't even like someone or find them attractive.

internet has fucked the game all up.

  

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184. "thats just my opinion "
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I'm sure plenty of others thought it cute and would have enjoyed it.

I personally thought she sounded mad thirsty. If you thirsty then that's okay be as thirsty as you wanna be, express yourself but don't feel some type of way someone thinks you are lol. Cause you ARE

  

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189. "vid is different from the song"
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but in both scenarios it wasn't a cold holla. It was a "social" setting in that they had seen each other repeatedly. She made numerous observations that made him attractive to her. Then she made the move. In the song she actually has dude's number so there is at least some sort of interaction and precreening beyond the rudimentary "street holla".

The main difference between this scenario and a cold street holla is that even if she comes across as "thirsty" she has a reason to approach that goes beyond just physical appearance. She actually knows something about dude and likes him based on those things. It is flattering when someone approaches you for who you are vs just hitting in someone aggressively for what they look like.

On the street, a guy sees a girl, feels like they got 5 seconds to make their pitch, but ultimately all they are saying, no matter how their "game" is, is "DAMN TITTIES" or the equivalent because that is literally ALL you know about that woman at thay point and time. To think it's flattery to tell a woman she is beautiful and invite her to a dicking is actually NOT that flattering. Most women have felt that objectification since middle school or whenever they developed. You aren't being brand new. You are just adding to the problem. All women are saying is can we make it off limits for men to cold approach them on the street when they are just trying to govern their day? I don't get what's so hard about it. As a southern transplant living in New York this shit is mad disgusting and it makes all men look very immature and desperate. There are plenty of other ways to approach a woman in a social setting.

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193. "RE: good lord, smh."
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>but in both scenarios it wasn't a cold holla. It was a
>"social" setting in that they had seen each other repeatedly.
>She made numerous observations that made him attractive to
>her. Then she made the move. In the song she actually has
>dude's number so there is at least some sort of interaction
>and precreening beyond the rudimentary "street holla".

but how many times does that EXACT situation present itself as opposed to the BILLIONS of other occasions where you just happen to be out & about & spot someone that catches your eye?

>The main difference between this scenario and a cold street
>holla is that even if she comes across as "thirsty" she has a
>reason to approach that goes beyond just physical appearance.
>She actually knows something about dude and likes him based on
>those things. It is flattering when someone approaches you for
>who you are vs just hitting in someone aggressively for what
>they look like.

Dude, wuttypa fairytale world you living in?

>On the street, a guy sees a girl, feels like they got 5
>seconds to make their pitch, but ultimately all they are
>saying, no matter how their "game" is, is "DAMN TITTIES" or
>the equivalent because that is literally ALL you know about
>that woman at thay point and time. To think it's flattery to
>tell a woman she is beautiful and invite her to a dicking is
>actually NOT that flattering. Most women have felt that
>objectification since middle school or whenever they
>developed. You aren't being brand new. You are just adding to
>the problem. All women are saying is can we make it off limits
>for men to cold approach them on the street when they are just
>trying to govern their day?

No. Not as long as men are attracted to women.

I don't get what's so hard about
>it. As a southern transplant living in New York this shit is
>mad disgusting and it makes all men look very immature and
>desperate. There are plenty of other ways to approach a woman
>in a social setting.

All men huh. smh.

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213. "RE: good lord, smh."
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>but how many times does that EXACT situation present itself as
>opposed to the BILLIONS of other occasions where you just
>happen to be out & about & spot someone that catches your
>eye?


I don't want to put myself in position of speaking FOR women on this cause, BUT I would think if you are out and about and someone catches your eye, then you have also caught their eye. If they catch your eye and don't slow up or even speed up, they have already presented their disinterest. The verdict is already in, usually a mistrial because it assumes there was every a case for YOU in the first place simply because she "caught your eye". That's fine, you think she's attractive and that's all there has to be about that.

>Dude, wuttypa fairytale world you living in?

I live in a fairy tale world where I consciously make sure as I am out walking the streets of New York not to do a double take, or to give a not to EVERYBODY I make eye contact with to acknowledge their existence, and I hold doors for all people because it is a nice thing to do. There are plenty of beautiful women in New York City, and I am entitled to exactly zero of them. Not even the one that is my girlfriend. If women are saying that they would prefer to not have to worry about these incessant interactions on the street that usually only imbue their day, then that is the fantasy world I live in. Honestly, it's not THAT big of a deal. I was at a launch party last night. Perfect social setting to approach a woman. Those opportunities are abundant even if you take away street hollas.

>No. Not as long as men are attracted to women.

Well I'm attracted to women, and I demonstrate this, so I don't see the stretch it would be to keep certain things constrained. And again, are you cool for the same societal intersectionality if it were gay men catcalling you because they "caught your eye"? I hardly believe you would be comfortable walking down 125th on a daily basis if dudes were sizing you up, even if they politely greeted you with "good morning handsome".

>All men huh. smh.

YES. It makes all men look corny and desperate. All men participate is patriarchy, misogyny, and sexism because we are all men. Also, when those dudes before you ALL are street calling her, by the time you come in (as well intentioned as you think you are) you aren't the 1 nice guy. You are the 101st person to be so inspired to ask of my time to make an appeal at me personhood. It's not a flattering thing, because it's all day everyday, and if you strike out with said lady, you'll try with the next woman. It dilutes our gender and objectifies theirs, When you come up to a woman who is saying this is a problem, you are not a prince charming, you are yet another jerk, and she's not even asking you to explain why you're different, but she owes you her time to do so? WORST case what would happen with this is women could actually become more forward about their sexuality because if that isn't the only trait enhanced about them, then they get to empower themselves based on how THEY define it.

but again, don't listen to me, listen to THEM. I'm not saying anything that they aren't.

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208. "Dawg you are supa nerd aren't ya!!?!?"
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>On the street, a guy sees a girl, feels like they got 5
>seconds to make their pitch, but ultimately all they are
>saying, no matter how their "game" is, is "DAMN TITTIES" or
>the equivalent because that is literally ALL you know about
>that woman at thay point and time. To think it's flattery to
>tell a woman she is beautiful and invite her to a dicking is
>actually NOT that flattering. Most women have felt that
>objectification since middle school or whenever they
>developed. You aren't being brand new. You are just adding to
>the problem. All women are saying is can we make it off limits
>for men to cold approach them on the street when they are just
>trying to govern their day? I don't get what's so hard about
>it. As a southern transplant living in New York this shit is
>mad disgusting and it makes all men look very immature and
>desperate. There are plenty of other ways to approach a woman
>in a social setting.

First off, I don't know about you, but I can see beyond a girls physical assets and see that there might be some potential there. Style of dress, how they carry themselves, what they are reading, are all signs they would let me know if they are the type of girl I could be into.


My one and only street holler involves seeing a girl, at a coffee shop, writing in a journal. Not just her being attactive, I just liked her whole style and the fact that she was writing in a journal. I stepped up and said "what you writing?" Off to the races from there.

If you think all street hollers are just the aggressive "damn look at those titties" then we aren't talking about the same thing.




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218. "RE: Dawg you are supa nerd aren't ya!!?!?"
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>First off, I don't know about you, but I can see beyond a
>girls physical assets and see that there might be some
>potential there. Style of dress, how they carry themselves,
>what they are reading, are all signs they would let me know
>if they are the type of girl I could be into.

I absolutely can, which is why I can extend the same consternation in interacting with women as I do with men. But again, you are saying "if THEY are the type of girl IIIIIIII could be into."

it aint.about.you.bruh.

GREAT for you that you are the 30th person today to like her style, and swag and free spirit (c) and all that, but that is still playing into some fantasy. NOBODY is telling you not to have those feelings or impulses, just don't translate that into the entitlement to act on all of them. Not just you, not just me, but as a rule for all men living and operating in a sexist society.

>My one and only street holler involves seeing a girl, at a
>coffee shop, writing in a journal. Not just her being
>attactive, I just liked her whole style and the fact that she
>was writing in a journal. I stepped up and said "what you
>writing?" Off to the races from there.
>
>If you think all street hollers are just the aggressive "damn
>look at those titties" then we aren't talking about the same
>thing.

Street hollas are a lot like driving in traffic. People are trying to get from point A to point B. To me, people usually greet others at destination points, not necessarily en route. If I'm driving a car down 2nd Ave, and some guy puts on his blinkers to merge, I let them merge. They've given me a signal and I've accommodated the signal. If I'm at a red light and I see an old coworker or friend, I might even wave and say a little mini conversation. I'm NOT going to just wave at random people at red lights, and CERTAINLY am not going to wave at people while I drive. Furthermore if somebody just cuts me off, I'm going to say "YO I'm driving here, the fuck?!" Most people would be pissed by that. Street hollas are the equivalent of people just cutting you off in traffic. All the other stuff can exist if we can at least agree on cutting people off is bad idea jeans.

I don't think your coffee shop holla is a "street" holla. It's a social setting. You saw a woman and tried to strike up a convo. It could have gone 1 of 2 ways. It WAS an infringement on her personal space, but it also was presented in a destination atmosphere. Again, most of the time people are greeted at destinations. Anyone who says they say hello to everyone in passing in NYC is lying. There are just too many people, you would be exhausted, and ineffective because there would be as many people who didn't get any greeting. And ones who did would kind of think you were crazy. But to be approached, and approached based on something you're doing, and NOT just how you look, I could see how a woman would be more open to that. Your exact same holla outside while she was en route may have gone different even tho it was the same person.

But again, I may be WAAAAAAY off, cause I am not trying to determine what THEY as women will find acceptable. I just know based off what they are saying they want and need something to change. As a man, I'm at least willing to hear their grievances, and I definitely adapt my own behavior accordingly.

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173. "i cant relate to this at all"
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perhaps its cause i don't live in a place where 'walking' is the norm

this is so puzzling

...or maybe it's me.

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176. "and this is because you're a normal human being. thank you."
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174. "10 hours of walking in NYC as a white man:"
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http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/ebf5e34fc8/10-hours-of-walking-in-nyc-as-a-man


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179. "ha!"
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181. "ok this was funny as hell"
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183. "Lol good shit "
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194. "LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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187. "I am in this argument for the Old Black Men who sit on the corner..."
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by my crib who say Hello to the pretty girls that walk by and all they really want is a pretty woman to smile back and acknowledge them. They never get up and don't do anything ugly if you don't respond to them but if you do then you've made their day.


We got Norwegian kids chiming in here saying that "Hello" is just a precursor into an attempt to try and fcuk. SMH.



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192. "Sometimes it is and sometimes it aint "
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>
>We got Norwegian kids chiming in here saying that "Hello" is
>just a precursor into an attempt to try and fcuk. SMH.
>

:shrugs:

  

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195. "i am here for pretty women who walk the streets w/the right "
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not to say hello even to kind old Black men. i am here to remind everyone that those old Black men's interest in having their day made by attention from a pretty lady DOES NOT TRUMP those ladies' right to go about their business w/o having to greet old Black men who hang on corners.

i understand that many women will choose to interact w/those old Black men and will return their 'hello'. that's awesome for everyone.

but i hope those old men and everyone else understands that the women have a right to be left alone. even by old respectful polite men. that the social contract does not require women to respond to even polite men on the street if they choose not to.

fuck you.

  

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199. "I don't get what's so hard to see about it."
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Like women aren't out here looking for validation from every dude they pass. It's not even their job to smile and make anyone's day.

If a woman decides to do that then ok, but she doesn't owe anybody anything. This is basic human rights stuff. Believe it or not women are more than however you appraise them in any solitary moment.

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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204. "Have you considered I see what you saying, but disagree?"
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>Like women aren't out here looking for validation from every
>dude they pass. It's not even their job to smile and make
>anyone's day.

No one said they are looking for validation or have an obligation to smile.

>
>If a woman decides to do that then ok, but she doesn't owe
>anybody anything.

Who said they did? You are arguing a point no one is contesting.

This is basic human rights stuff. Believe it
>or not women are more than however you appraise them in any
>solitary moment.

Show me the person who said otherwise....I'll wait.


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Mr. ManC
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222. "RE: Have you considered I see what you saying, but disagree?"
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If you disagree with me that is ultimately fine, because I am not a victim of street calling. I'd ask that you not disagree with women saying how they feel about things that we as men certainly do.

>No one said they are looking for validation or have an
>obligation to smile.
>>
>>If a woman decides to do that then ok, but she doesn't owe
>>anybody anything.
>
>Who said they did? You are arguing a point no one is
>contesting.
>
>This is basic human rights stuff. Believe it
>>or not women are more than however you appraise them in any
>>solitary moment.
>
>Show me the person who said otherwise....I'll wait.

Much of the backlash has been that this is a non-issue, that women should be thankful that someone finds them attractive, and that they are in fact being rude by not responding to "hi/hello"s.

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201. "RE: i am here for pretty women who walk the streets w/the right "
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Thu Oct-30-14 01:03 PM by Deacon Blues

  

          

>not to say hello even to kind old Black men. i am here to
>remind everyone that those old Black men's interest in having
>their day made by attention from a pretty lady DOES NOT TRUMP
>those ladies' right to go about their business w/o having to
>greet old Black men who hang on corners.
>
>i understand that many women will choose to interact w/those
>old Black men and will return their 'hello'. that's awesome
>for everyone.
>
>but i hope those old men and everyone else understands that
>the women have a right to be left alone. even by old
>respectful polite men. that the social contract does not
>require women to respond to even polite men on the street if
>they choose not to.

Men have a right to holla (that's non offensive friendly) and women have a right to ignore them without fear of hearing ugly remarks, if we can all agree on this then we can move on to the next issue.

dude

  

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202. "^^^^"
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209. "_done_"
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fuck you guys.

fuck you.

  

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203. "We agree women don't have to respond, but there does not exist a right....."
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to walk out in public spaces frictionless. You have a right to not be harassed, but there does not exist a right to not have people look at you or speak to you. It just doesn't exist.


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205. "Thats why this will never get anywhere"
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in large part I agree with what is trying to be done here, but movements like this will always have crazy folk who try to make shit extra, "Don't look or speak to me in public"? that doesn't even sound viable.

I would argue that its those with that goal that actually do more harm than good, because it makes it easier for people to dismiss the cause.

Don't speak to you in public? Ever?

how would you even enforce something like that culturally?

Its a shame.

  

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211. "--"
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Thu Oct-30-14 03:10 PM by SoWhat

  

          

=

fuck you.

  

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210. "fuck, dude."
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i give up on you, man.

i write you off.

you have heard from women who have complained about being bombarded w/unwanted, unwarranted attention from multiple men on a regular basis. women have told us this unwanted attention often provokes fear of imminent harm. of course, some women have said they usually or sometimes welcome the attention. still, enough women have talked about the fear provoked in them by unwanted attention or the annoyance provoked

fuck this.

i'm done.

b/c this is just an exercise b/c you don't do this holla shit anyway. and you live in a world where all of the women you know have no problem w/it. and we just disagree and i don't care for you at all so i don't really care what you think about this. you won't change your mind, i won't change mine.

fuck this.

fuck you.

  

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214. "Why are you soo upset that people disagree with you?"
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Like, how intolerant is that?

It's not like you are valiantly trying to change minds to protect women in the street.

At this point we are largely quibbling over whether a dude has a right to say "Hello" to a woman on the street.

Even most women would say it's a minor point of disagreement in the much larger discussion.

All the "I give up on you", "i write you off", "i don't care for you", etc.

All that is extra and unnecessary.

And It's all so dramatic. You really got a couple of chicks up in here gas you into thinking you trying to save souls rather than just trying to get the last word.

SMH.

Drop your snarky two word post and be out if you are really done with all of this.



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217. "'"
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fuck you.

  

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219. "Right. And I don't have empathy. BTW, my wife and mom are fine, you "
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don't need to weep for them. They are stronger than you think.


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221. "/"
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fuck you.

  

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207. "RE: I am in this argument for the Old Black Men who sit on the corner......"
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Like this dude

http://youtu.be/k5YyvW1Kk7Q

dude

  

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196. "So, I Post 10 edited hrs of Women Spitting is that a Problem too ?"
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Or Cursing, or Farting, or scratching their butts in public places is that the sign of a Problem too?




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200. "??"
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206. "yo, wat?"
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this might win the critical thinking fail of the month award...



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225. "I know it was over your head "
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But like the Old Pastor say's You'll catch that on the way home..




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197. "Wow."
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I've had friends of the fairer sex tell me about street harassment before, and I sympathized, but, that shit is crazy. After watching the video, I can kinda understand it a bit better. I've never been one to holla at women on the street, and that video definitely cements it.

I already get flack for not speaking to people when I'm out about. If I had that many strangers coming up to me or just generally speaking to me, I'd be so irritated.

That's annoying and frustrating. And folks trying to violate my personal space? Nah. Can't do it. I spend too much time in my own head, lost in thought. And I enjoy being lost in though.

Can't imagine people disturbing and intruding on my inner peace that much.

  

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212. "Anyone want to posit why this one video has gotten 1000 posts??"
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Like I can't think of another piece or video which has got soo many sparks flying?


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220. "I think because it taps into the psychological"
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backdrop of our American society. It is both based and representative of misogyny and racial prejudice. It looked the most like us, or at least how we have been conditioned to view each other, and it triggered that response.

Film making definitely has a psychological component, as well as marketing and reporting, etc. It is why I said the film editor needs to be made accountable to his work, because it is a technique to do those things in media to get societal responses, and he did. Doesn't have to make him a "racist", or the film "racist" but it definitely piggybacks on the racial backdrop of American society. By the same measure so does street calls and their juxtaposition against patriarchal society, and those who see the video as a male and say "oh, I only see 2 REAL harassments in that video" are basically in the same chair as the editor, picking and choosing what we want to see to fit the narrative that doesn't implicate us as well.

I think that is why this is winning as a device to spark conversation where other more thorough, unbiased, and inclusive projects didn't reach the same viral status.

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223. "Real talk. There was very little discussion of the actual video"
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I don't think there was any one person who commented that the people in the video were anything other than wrong.

What gets sparks flying is when people extrapolate the message in the video into extremes. Then people get placed in to factions. You're either completely with us or you are against us.

That's how you end up with a group of folks saying 'do not say hi to any woman on the street'.
There is no room for anybody to be in the middle.

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224. "That's internet discussion for you"
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Shit is mostly extremes like I said above.

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226. "3 Hours Of "Harassment' In NYC! "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY

  

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