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"COGIC Convocation 2014 - Homosexual Delivery"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeykDZnZa3M

easiest $100+ that dude ever made

  

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its a sad world when this kinda shit happens.
Nov 10th 2014
1
this shit is like a K&P skit
Nov 10th 2014
2
that guy kind of looks like Jordan Peele as it is
Nov 10th 2014
4
ground or air?
Nov 10th 2014
3
RE: ground or air?
Nov 10th 2014
18
the craziest shit about this is
Nov 10th 2014
5
you should to continue to watch
Nov 10th 2014
7
      Maybe we watched a different video
Nov 10th 2014
13
      you said that you only watched the. first minute
Nov 10th 2014
16
           shA said that, not me.
Nov 10th 2014
19
                im not COGIC
Nov 10th 2014
22
                     I watched and listened to all of it. The implication is that homosexuali...
Nov 10th 2014
25
                          well then you have a problem with IT
Nov 10th 2014
27
                          Yes, I have a problem with the young man being socialized to believe
Nov 10th 2014
29
                               there are other things that are socialized to be wrong
Nov 10th 2014
31
                               ?
Nov 10th 2014
33
                               abby, don't play dumb. She asked you a real question.
Nov 10th 2014
36
                                    I thought you didn't like it when folx interjected in convos they were n...
Nov 10th 2014
37
                                         I though you might like to know how it feels.
Nov 10th 2014
38
                                              her question is awkwardly phrased.
Nov 10th 2014
39
                                                   right. labcoat's question is one I hear quite often
Nov 10th 2014
50
                                                        All of this is why I didn't answer
Nov 10th 2014
53
                               once upon a time
Nov 10th 2014
41
                                    some good Christians were in agreement with it
Nov 10th 2014
42
                                         We now know that they and that thinking was wrong, right?
Nov 10th 2014
43
                                              but had those Christians maybe understood
Nov 21st 2014
181
                               If he wants to be a Christian it IS wrong, it would be hypocritical to t...
Nov 10th 2014
40
                               according to your understanding of scripture
Nov 10th 2014
44
                               RE: according to your understanding of scripture
Nov 10th 2014
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                                    just as you won't be taken seriously because you don't know the
Nov 10th 2014
49
                                         girl, let that boy cook...........
Nov 10th 2014
56
                                         damn, you got me
Nov 10th 2014
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                                         lol
Nov 10th 2014
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                                         I DON'T LIKE COMMAS NO MORE!! SEMICOLON SEMICOLON SEMICOLON!!!!
Nov 11th 2014
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                                              HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Nov 11th 2014
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                               no. Selective interpretation of scripture is wrong.
Nov 10th 2014
45
                                    You're right, it is.
Nov 10th 2014
58
                                         you Black?
Nov 10th 2014
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                                         as night.
Nov 10th 2014
68
                                              And you Christian, right?
Nov 10th 2014
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                                                   yep
Nov 10th 2014
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                                                        OK.
Nov 10th 2014
81
                                                             OK, I thought you were going to have something more profound for me...
Nov 10th 2014
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                                                                  nothing profound
Nov 10th 2014
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                                         ^ doesn't know jesus and has not read the bible cover to cover.
Nov 10th 2014
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                               If you're a Christian--
Nov 21st 2014
180
                          Hey I am mostly with you but why would pre-marital sex be any different?
Nov 11th 2014
109
                               because pre-marital sex is an act.
Nov 11th 2014
128
      nah, i'm good.
Nov 10th 2014
20
honestly they looked taken a back by that announcement
Nov 10th 2014
6
ugh@ how commited we are to this religion that was forced on us
Nov 10th 2014
8
^^^ This right here^^^
Nov 10th 2014
12
biggest flaw in the black community by far
Nov 10th 2014
72
poor parenting and substance abuse are far more toxic
Nov 10th 2014
74
^^ 5%-ER who sells dope.
Nov 10th 2014
75
^^^^
Nov 10th 2014
90
is that church or a dance party?
Nov 10th 2014
9
they have their convocation in downtown STL every year, half the dudes.....
Nov 10th 2014
10
old cat in the burgundy suit
Nov 10th 2014
11
This is some bullshit.
Nov 10th 2014
14
He could barely get the words out.
Nov 10th 2014
15
I don't get into debates with people about THEIR deliverance
Nov 10th 2014
17
I hate that it's even being called deliverance in this context
Nov 10th 2014
21
you are focused in the "it"
Nov 10th 2014
24
      Yes, I am focused on the "it" because that's what this is about
Nov 10th 2014
26
           i was just trying to think of an example that people deal with
Nov 10th 2014
30
                I'm sensitive about it because it's sensitive. I think that, as Christia...
Nov 10th 2014
35
yeah i was thinking that too
Nov 10th 2014
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^
Nov 10th 2014
95
I have a couple of questions...
Nov 11th 2014
104
      and here i though ppl had sex for all kinds of reasons.
Nov 11th 2014
111
      i hate that this had to be explained
Nov 11th 2014
115
      I am so disturbed that someone really had to ask this question:
Nov 11th 2014
117
           i am disappointed in myself for not writing you back.
Nov 11th 2014
118
           Look at God. :-)
Nov 11th 2014
123
           yup
Nov 22nd 2014
191
      I never said they didn't. & You only answered the 2nd question...
Nov 12th 2014
141
      are straight couples who can't have kids anti life as well?
Nov 11th 2014
121
           *Gets in this line* n/m
Nov 11th 2014
135
           Is infertility seen as a problem or no?
Nov 12th 2014
142
                Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants kids.
Nov 12th 2014
145
                RE: Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants ki...
Nov 13th 2014
150
                     RE: Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants ki...
Nov 13th 2014
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                          RE: Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants ki...
Nov 13th 2014
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                               *Daps*
Nov 13th 2014
162
                That wasn't my question
Nov 14th 2014
166
                     RE: That wasn't my question
Nov 14th 2014
169
abby got this.
Nov 10th 2014
28
I'm not doing this all day though. Ignorance is not bliss, and I got shi...
Nov 10th 2014
32
aw you preachin today.
Nov 10th 2014
61
Per usual.
Nov 10th 2014
73
disgusting
Nov 10th 2014
34
Im more offended about the dude that came to church in timberlands.
Nov 10th 2014
46
i'm with abby on this one...but it was hard not to laugh
Nov 10th 2014
48
The crazy thing is he'll always have the stain of the gay on him...
Nov 10th 2014
51
^^^
Nov 10th 2014
79
I want to get high and watch this on repeat
Nov 10th 2014
52
Can't ya'll just laugh like the rest of the got damn world.... geesh
Nov 10th 2014
54
that would be too easy, this is okp
Nov 10th 2014
69
anyway. I'm out. But if you have a few hours and want to understand how
Nov 10th 2014
55
I for one am disturbed.....
Nov 10th 2014
63
RE: I for one am disturbed.....
Nov 10th 2014
67
      LMAO
Nov 13th 2014
159
So the ACT is the sin not the person
Nov 10th 2014
64
"hate the sin, not the sinner" is a copout to disguise bigotry
Nov 10th 2014
66
that's the gist of it (for some Christians)
Nov 11th 2014
112
lofl
Nov 10th 2014
65
That was exactly how I responded to it
Nov 11th 2014
105
Oh, this is gonna be good. I'm so late to this.
Nov 10th 2014
70
I've seen this subject line all day and it never ceases to make me laugh
Nov 10th 2014
76
"I WILL, I WILL, LOVE, A WOMEN!" Personally I'm not convinced he's...
Nov 10th 2014
78
RE: i watched it again i laughed even more
Nov 10th 2014
93
Past issues aside, Abby and Vex came with it in this post. Thank you
Nov 10th 2014
80
Also if u think homosexuality is wrong please just own that and be hones...
Nov 10th 2014
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lol
Nov 10th 2014
85
Not u, u been anti gay lol. I doubt u have probably said more than 2
Nov 10th 2014
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      I think that they are in a bad position
Nov 10th 2014
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It's like trying to camouflage ass taste with a mango lime-a-rita
Nov 10th 2014
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      Right lol
Nov 10th 2014
88
      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Nov 10th 2014
92
If I went to church, it'd be one just like this.
Nov 10th 2014
91
So after watching the whole video... I find this so disgusting
Nov 10th 2014
94
“I don’t like MENS no more”, comedy
Nov 10th 2014
96
'Toine forgot to put the bass in his voice at the beginning.
Nov 11th 2014
122
Religion (C)
Nov 10th 2014
97
LMAO @ dude w/ the timbs who came stomping in
Nov 10th 2014
98
Internet Hath No Chill (The Remix)
Nov 11th 2014
99
Oh my gawd!!!!!!!!! ThAt is the funniest thing ever...
Nov 11th 2014
108
DEATH
Nov 12th 2014
146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvn8b92qSc
Nov 12th 2014
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yoooo... *head slumps into hands*
Nov 13th 2014
155
OKP: Makes this an extremely serious debate
Nov 11th 2014
101
funny enough only okps have posted this on my facebook
Nov 11th 2014
127
Good for him.
Nov 11th 2014
102
lol
Nov 11th 2014
106
^^^^^ aye listen..........aside frm the Wimmins Wimmins Wimmins
Nov 11th 2014
130
      #yikes
Nov 11th 2014
131
      do you see the potential for him to be brainwashed here?
Nov 11th 2014
134
      Do you ACCEPT...
Nov 11th 2014
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      RE: ^^^^^ aye listen..........aside frm the Wimmins Wimmins Wimmins
Nov 13th 2014
163
even though I laughed... this is really sad and disturbing
Nov 11th 2014
103
right? these people have been invaded
Nov 11th 2014
107
      RE: right? these people have been invaded
Nov 12th 2014
140
I laughed but I do feel bad for little dude. Are there X Churches that....
Nov 11th 2014
110
it even sends mixed messages about that.
Nov 11th 2014
113
True but I am a new testament, new covenant type of dude.
Nov 11th 2014
124
      screw that classic coke crap, new coke all the way baby
Nov 22nd 2014
192
I go to an episcopal church and our pastor was* oepnly gay
Nov 11th 2014
114
LOL @ the asterisk
Nov 12th 2014
148
I think Episcopal churches are so fascinating
Nov 12th 2014
149
presbyterian church
Nov 11th 2014
116
Fortunately, there are lots of churches that affirm LGBT people
Nov 11th 2014
125
      Wow that's great
Nov 11th 2014
126
the remix makes it even better
Nov 11th 2014
119
did rev just say 'Your past is behind you... pause'?
Nov 11th 2014
120
now you're making me rewatch
Nov 14th 2014
177
The real question is
Nov 11th 2014
129
you ask that question because you're a non-believer
Nov 11th 2014
132
I just wanna see his future wife.
Nov 11th 2014
133
I think that she fits one of two profiles:
Nov 12th 2014
144
on the surface - hilarity - but really all types of tragedy -
Nov 11th 2014
138
Is no one gonna talk about that lady's hat?!?!
Nov 12th 2014
139
This seriously the most Hillarisad shit ever.
Nov 12th 2014
143
So somebody made a cartoon, lol...(video link)
Nov 13th 2014
151
ya'll glossing over the important facts...like his ridiculous bowtie
Nov 13th 2014
152
http://imgur.com/J6hLQHw
Nov 13th 2014
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LMAO
Nov 13th 2014
154
ya'll glossing over the important facts...like that snakeskin
Nov 13th 2014
156
edit: WUHMENZ
Nov 21st 2014
187
haha, my comment WAY up there said his declaration and bowtie
Nov 21st 2014
182
RE: MFers are so bent out of shape, they can't even laugh no mo
Nov 21st 2014
186
I can't stop watchin
Nov 13th 2014
160
Kid Fury is PISSED.
Nov 13th 2014
161
Kid Fury is the homie.
Nov 14th 2014
171
did he say delivered...more?
Nov 13th 2014
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this must be the same place kirk franklin got delivered...
Nov 13th 2014
165
now they're saying dude is a con artist and a criminal and the whole...
Nov 14th 2014
167
LIVE from Memphis [VIDEO]
Nov 14th 2014
168
Fool said he's going to medical school online lol
Nov 14th 2014
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Statement from COGIC:
Nov 14th 2014
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      How did they quantify the last two things this list following
Nov 22nd 2014
190
I dunno how anyone could be surprised that this is fake.
Nov 14th 2014
170
lol at one of these reviews of his book on amazon
Nov 14th 2014
174
The misspellings are gold.
Nov 14th 2014
175
      but was this review helpful to you tho?
Nov 14th 2014
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           lol
Nov 14th 2014
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COGIC going to sue him over his new single "I'm Not Gay No More"
Nov 21st 2014
179
Arrested for soliciting male prostitututes (swipe)
Nov 21st 2014
183
even though its probably not true its still funny as hell, lol
Nov 21st 2014
184
Got Christians here calling devils and lies left and right
Nov 21st 2014
185
Negros Against Hairline Abuse daily n/m
Nov 21st 2014
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but this? THIS RIGHT HERE?!
Nov 22nd 2014
189
he was rockin a mink coat at the ferguson riots...
Nov 27th 2014
193

Binlahab
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1. "its a sad world when this kinda shit happens."
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why cant this dude wear a purse & put on makeup and go to church like he wants? who hes sleeping with has no bearing for anybody else

oh well


does it really matter?

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2. "this shit is like a K&P skit"
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4. "that guy kind of looks like Jordan Peele as it is"
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3. "ground or air?"
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18. "RE: ground or air?"
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5. "the craziest shit about this is"
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Mon Nov-10-14 09:39 AM by SHAstayhighalways

  

          

it's such an obvious act
the way the pastor starts talking to him etc
it just seems set up
i stopped right when he said i don't like mens no more
and he growled that he liked womens

that was crazy.

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7. "you should to continue to watch"
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the guy was extra
and it was funny
but the preacher was good

i like how he turned it around

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13. "Maybe we watched a different video"
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>but the preacher was good
>
>i like how he turned it around

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labcoat
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16. "you said that you only watched the. first minute"
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Did you listen to the rest?
Listen to the preacher's. Words

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19. "shA said that, not me."
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i listened to the preacher's words. As a Christian, I was unimpressed to say the least.

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labcoat
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22. "im not COGIC"
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so i didnt watch (all of it)
i just listened
because i learned that sometimes that you
have to just listen to what someone is saying

so this was my take on it
the preacher had an altar called
the guy came up
the guy professed that he is no longer
gay etc
the guys started shouting
(now i did see on the side some deacons taken aback etc)

the preacher seems taken a back as well
from the guy's confession
(this is when i just started to listen)
the preacher then focused not on the confession on no longer being gay
but that the guy was wrestling with some thing
and he felt strong enough to share
the pastor then went and condemned some of the church folk
for judging the guy
and told them to praise with him
the guy is happy
rejoice with him
(basically the guy came out and if you are a christian you have to
be there for him through whatever he is going through
and stand beside him and help him through his trials)
not once did the pastor say
the guy was wrong, he put it back on the guy
and said if this is your sin then i will help you
get through

additionally the pastor
then said to the guy
what are your dreams?
because you confessed your trials God will bless you
basically how many of us are struggling/ holding a secret in
holding ANYTHING in and its haunting us
and what ever that thing is
is now a stronghold over our lives
so the pastor said
because you (the guy) was able to share in his troubles
and give it to God, God will bless him
so the preacher gave him money (a seed) to help that man
reach his dreams/ goals

aint nothing wrong with that
i think that people are so focused on the gay aspect
of this video
and not on the aspect that the guy came and asked for help


if it was someone saying that they were raped
or was dealing with drug addiction
would we get the same negative responses?

it's seeing the forest from the trees

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25. "I watched and listened to all of it. The implication is that homosexuali..."
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is wrong and something for which to be delivered from.

If this young man's testimony had been, I'm no longer having premarital sex (behavior) I would agree with you.
But his testimony was steeped in rebuking what might be his true self
As if "loving womenz now" in and of itself makes him a better man or Christian

And the pastor tacitly encouraged that self hate and sowed a seed ($) in it.

Nah. I can't.

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labcoat
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27. "well then you have a problem with IT"
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you aren't mad at the pastor or the church
you are mad that that guy said that
him being gay is a sin

and you dont want him to think that its a sin

so you feel some type of way
because the pastor didn't tell him that
being gay isn't a sin

am i correct?



so if that guy didn't say "gay"
when you had no problem with the pastor/ church?
smh

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abby
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29. "Yes, I have a problem with the young man being socialized to believe"
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that being gay is wrong, and with the church for encouraging that confusion.

Yes. That's what I have a problem with. Am I clear now?

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labcoat
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31. "there are other things that are socialized to be wrong"
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do you have a problem with that as well?

im just asking

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abby
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33. "?"
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"I'm gonna treat OKP better during the 2nd half of the year. So, expect new things and better dialog."
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36. "abby, don't play dumb. She asked you a real question. "
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KC Putting In That Work: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2107910/highlights
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"People need to stop confusing God's compassionate tolerance for complete acceptance." ~ J. Case

  

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abby
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37. "I thought you didn't like it when folx interjected in convos they were n..."
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a part of.

Remember?

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38. "I though you might like to know how it feels. "
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You know, sine you Gotta Feel Both Sides now.

Plus it was an interesting conversation until you decided to play dumb.

But you are right. I was wrong. So I apologize and I'll step back.


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KC Putting In That Work: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2107910/highlights
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39. "her question is awkwardly phrased."
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50. "right. labcoat's question is one I hear quite often"
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from people who like to play games when it comes to this issue.

That game being the game where people try and deflect away from having to admit that they think being gay and/or gay marriage is morally repugnant, a sin, and something that the church and pastors
are warranted in speaking out against.

So they slyly try to slip in "well do you think anything is wrong or nah?" type deflection to not have to (wo)man up and just be plain in articulating their beliefs.

So while I'm unclear as to what labcoat's personal stance is on gay marriage and whether the gay lifestyle is a sin, her question sounded a whole lot like the games I hear from religious people who try to ask vague, tangential questions like "well what about other things that are socialized to be wrong?" without ever addressing the topic at hand.

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53. "All of this is why I didn't answer"
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the question had nothing to do with the price of tea in China

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41. "once upon a time"
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interracial relationships were socialized to be wrong......

  

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42. "some good Christians were in agreement with it"
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43. "We now know that they and that thinking was wrong, right?"
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181. "but had those Christians maybe understood"
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say Exodus and Moses marrying an African and god being cool with it to the extent that he plagued those who spoke against it things might have been different.

My point is there is too much in the Bible that speaks against it to take that particular "once was but now is" kind of stance. As far as mankind is concerned yes it will become more acceptable-- even normal, but theologically speaking no.

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40. "If he wants to be a Christian it IS wrong, it would be hypocritical to t..."
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him otherwise

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44. "according to your understanding of scripture"
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but you do realize that there are some "Christians" that do not interpret the same way that you choose to, right?

  

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47. "RE: according to your understanding of scripture"
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>but you do realize that there are some "Christians" that do
>not interpret the same way that you choose to, right?

I'm glad that you put the "Christians" you're referring to in parenthesis, lol. The bible is pretty clear on that issue, not a lot interpretation involved. Most religions are pretty clear on that. If you disagree fine, there are some "churches" out there that embrace that sort of thing. Just like there sorority chapters for gay man. Just understand most people aren't going to take you seriously.

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49. "just as you won't be taken seriously because you don't know the "
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>>but you do realize that there are some "Christians" that do
>>not interpret the same way that you choose to, right?
>
>I'm glad that you put the "Christians" you're referring to in
>parenthesis, lol. The bible is pretty clear on that issue, not
>a lot interpretation involved. Most religions are pretty clear
>on that. If you disagree fine, there are some "churches" out
>there that embrace that sort of thing. Just like there
>sorority chapters for gay man. Just understand most people
>aren't going to take you seriously.


difference between parentheses and quotes

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56. "girl, let that boy cook..........."
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..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................lol

  

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57. "damn, you got me"
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59. "lol"
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100. "I DON'T LIKE COMMAS NO MORE!! SEMICOLON SEMICOLON SEMICOLON!!!!"
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*church organ*

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137. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"
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I died.

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45. "no. Selective interpretation of scripture is wrong."
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58. "You're right, it is."
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60. "you Black?"
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68. "as night."
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71. "And you Christian, right?"
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77. "yep"
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81. "OK. "
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I am also Black
I no longer subscribe to Christianity tho so I fear we will never see eye to eye on this. And that's ok.

  

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83. "OK, I thought you were going to have something more profound for me..."
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>I am also Black
>I no longer subscribe to Christianity tho so I fear we will
>never see eye to eye on this. And that's ok.

I'm sure we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things so its all good.

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84. "nothing profound"
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I was just testing the waters to see if I should even continue to engage you.

  

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62. "^ doesn't know jesus and has not read the bible cover to cover. "
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you're one of those John 3:16 Christians i guess.

  

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180. "If you're a Christian--"
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does the Bible say it's right? Doesn't it say we are all wrong in our actions in some way shape or form? Is homosexuality a sin? I don't know, but it certainly seems to be something God does not approve of and in his eyes is a type of "wrong doing" the form it takes is irrelevant.

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109. "Hey I am mostly with you but why would pre-marital sex be any different?"
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128. "because pre-marital sex is an act. "
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being gay is about more than sex acts.
i'll say it again, since so many ppl don't understand it for some reason.

being gay is about more than sex acts.


a straight person that wants to have love and affection
within the confines of their faith can simply get married
and have a fullfilling life.

preaching against the gay is about more than preaching celibacy.
it's about preaching that you, as a gay, should never
experience love and affection from the ppl you are attracted to
UNLESS you somehow stop being gay.

that's a much taller order than just waiting until your married.

  

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20. "nah, i'm good."
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6. "honestly they looked taken a back by that announcement"
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that is why the preacher keeped asking people to
praise with him
and not to judge him

whatever is going on with that guy
he is struggling with his #####lity

i love how the preacher said
"dont lay hands on anybody if you arent free"

im not mad at this
at all
he told him to dont be afraid
trust God

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8. "ugh@ how commited we are to this religion that was forced on us"
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12. "^^^ This right here^^^"
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72. "biggest flaw in the black community by far"
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religion is just a weak spot those with the power can poke to coerce people

  

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74. "poor parenting and substance abuse are far more toxic"
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my Bishop's views on homosexuality are documented and while I cant cosign them, all he preaches is "stand strong in hard times and believe in Jesus, everything will be okay", which isnt a bad message at all

  

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75. "^^ 5%-ER who sells dope."
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Peace, god.

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90. "^^^^"
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>


4 Better or 4 Worse

  

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9. "is that church or a dance party?"
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and homeboy's bowtie and declaration aren't jivin'. haha

  

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10. "they have their convocation in downtown STL every year, half the dudes....."
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walking around there look like they have a lil sugar in their tank, lol

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11. "old cat in the burgundy suit"
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was like 'You need more people, young man...'

that was entertaining.

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14. "This is some bullshit."
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15. "He could barely get the words out."
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I think he grimaced when he said "womens." The shit would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous and sometimes deadly.

  

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17. "I don't get into debates with people about THEIR deliverance"
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like, if this guy says that he has been "delivered' from homosexuality, I say good for him. That's not my experience but I would never argue the validity of someone else's deliverance. I don't think any of us can really.

With that being said, I can however tell you what my experience was in that same situation and I remember going through the same shit and beating myself up the next day when I woke up and still had a desire. Thinking that something was wrong with me because the feelings were still there. After all that, the one thing that I would tell any gay Christian is that they should examine what is being pushed on them. Someone that has no inkling of your experience (a straight person) is telling you that you can be "delivered" from being gay. That you can change your attraction. Mind you, this person does not have a clue about your struggle but is telling you there is a promised land for you. A land that this person has never seen but they are telling you to strive for it. Nope, not for me. Again, I won't come against his deliverance but that shit ain't for me.

  

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21. "I hate that it's even being called deliverance in this context"
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24. "you are focused in the "it""
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as a christian we are taught
that once we confess our trials
our strongholds we are delivered

like an alcholic acknowledging that
they are an alcholic

same premise
once you can acknoledge and confess that
you need help with whatever you are dealing with
and pray and work on it
God will stand beside you and help you

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26. "Yes, I am focused on the "it" because that's what this is about"
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and the fact that you just compared same sex love to alcoholism and other strongholds and sins that require deliverance speaks to why context is important, and it's necessary to talk about the "it"

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30. "i was just trying to think of an example that people deal with"
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this is why i dont like having these conversations

people get to sensitive
one thing that i am perceived on
here is being understanding

never did i say that it is a sin
i just said that that guy confessed that as his
sin that he wanted to be delivered from

i cant tell him if its a sin or not
its like telling someone how they should feel
thats his feelings

but i believe that the pastor is right to
say
if this is what you are dealing through
i will help you

however i agree with quad
the best help is from someone who has been there before

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35. "I'm sensitive about it because it's sensitive. I think that, as Christia..."
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we need to be more sensitive about "it."

Not being sensitive about it has proven to be very dangerous.

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23. "yeah i was thinking that too"
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like who in the church
will walk beside him
after this?

like what happened on monday?

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95. "^"
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>With that being said, I can however tell you what my
>experience was in that same situation and I remember going
>through the same shit and beating myself up the next day when
>I woke up and still had a desire. Thinking that something was
>wrong with me because the feelings were still there. After all
>that, the one thing that I would tell any gay Christian is
>that they should examine what is being pushed on them. Someone
>that has no inkling of your experience (a straight person) is
>telling you that you can be "delivered" from being gay. That
>you can change your attraction. Mind you, this person does not
>have a clue about your struggle but is telling you there is a
>promised land for you. A land that this person has never seen
>but they are telling you to strive for it. Nope, not for me.

So much of this kind of thing is for the camera, on the day. These people aren't with you when you wake up the next morning, or next week, or next year, or next decade. It's heartbreaking enough when it's someone who's not even Christian, just a young man who would love to be able to fit in with the heterosexual guys around them, because being the awkward minority in the class is hard enough. That's before we get into the people being killed off for their sexuality in even less enlightened countries. All because some Christians would rather push a hard line on it being a choice. They'd rather people suffer horrible deaths than think about approaching this issue differently. It takes a severe lack of love and compassion to try so hard to cling to that mindset.

It's heartbreaking.

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104. "I have a couple of questions..."
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>like, if this guy says that he has been "delivered' from
>homosexuality, I say good for him. That's not my experience
>but I would never argue the validity of someone else's
>deliverance. I don't think any of us can really.


That's probably the most mature way to look at this. Kudos to you for stating that.


>With that being said, I can however tell you what my
>experience was in that same situation and I remember going
>through the same shit and beating myself up the next day when
>I woke up and still had a desire. Thinking that something was
>wrong with me because the feelings were still there. After all
>that, the one thing that I would tell any gay Christian is
>that they should examine what is being pushed on them. Someone
>that has no inkling of your experience (a straight person) is
>telling you that you can be "delivered" from being gay. That
>you can change your attraction. Mind you, this person does not
>have a clue about your struggle but is telling you there is a
>promised land for you. A land that this person has never seen
>but they are telling you to strive for it. Nope, not for me.
>Again, I won't come against his deliverance but that shit
>ain't for me.


Ok, so my first question is: What if this person DOES have an idea of what the gay
person is going through? What if they've also been "delivered".

My second is: Does having a "desire" for something mean that it isn't a sickness?
I mean, if sex is viewed in light of what it accomplishes for a species (the perpetuation
of life or bloodline), then same-sex intimacy is anti-life or at least anti-perpetuation thereof.
Why is socialization to denounce homosexuality any worse than socialization to accept it?


I'm not asking because I have no ideas. I really just want a gay person's answers
to this to be somewhere in this discussion.


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111. "and here i though ppl had sex for all kinds of reasons. "
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>I mean, if sex is viewed in light of what it accomplishes for
>a species (the perpetuation
>of life or bloodline), then same-sex intimacy is anti-life or
>at least anti-perpetuation thereof.

i didn't know sex was about procreation only.
i thought it was also done for pleasure.
or to deepen or sometimes even create emotional intimacy.
or to relieve boredom.

i didn't know that straight ppl were having sex to pop out babies.
i though straight ppl had all kinds of sex that cannot create a baby at all.
in fact, i am pretty sure that humans have been working on ways to have sex WITHOUT creating a baby for about as long as ppl have been having sex.

to be honest, it could be argued that the thing that distinguishes
humans from other primates how much we are preoccupied with non-procreative sex.

humans don't only have sex when bitches are in heat. we do it whenever we want.
because it feels good. because it's fun. because we get bored.
and having sex for fun is one of the things we do that allows us to have
the extended social networks that allowed us to get to the top of the food chain.


and why, oh why, do people act like being gay is completely or even mostly about having sex.

is being straight completely or mostly about fucking women?
or is it also about courtship and dating and falling asleep in someone's arms and feelif safe?

did you know that gay people fall in love, just like straight ppl do?
some of them don't even have sex at all.


what does the fact that gay people can't make babies together have to do with anything.
when gay ppl want babies they do it just like straight ppl do.
they either fuck somebody of the opposite sex, adopt a child,
or they go to a doctor and science makes it do what it do.



>Why is socialization to denounce homosexuality any worse than
>socialization to accept it?
>
>

because fuck homophobes, that's why.


>I'm not asking because I have no ideas. I really just want a
>gay person's answers
>to this to be somewhere in this discussion.
>
>


yes and i am sure somebody will post something that makes you
reconsider everything you just said.

because you are very interested in having a "debate" about
how society should react to homosexuality.

  

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115. "i hate that this had to be explained"
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117. "I am so disturbed that someone really had to ask this question:"
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>Why is socialization to denounce homosexuality any worse than >socialization to accept it?

Like, wtf? lol

  

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118. "i am disappointed in myself for not writing you back. "
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it's a new day.
procrastination is deadly and my heart has been convicted to stop doing that.

I'll email you by the end of the day.
Hopefully, you still like me enough to respond.

  

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123. "Look at God. :-)"
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I was wondering what happened. But I knew that if you were serious about what you'd said, then you would come back. Most people wouldn't, but I knew you would.





  

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191. "yup"
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141. "I never said they didn't. & You only answered the 2nd question..."
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possibly due to your emotional reaction to the subject, which is understandable,
given the subject and your orientation. You're assuming a lot though.

>i didn't know sex was about procreation only.
>i thought it was also done for pleasure.
>or to deepen or sometimes even create emotional intimacy.
>or to relieve boredom.


You have to twist my words to reply the way you're replying though.
I worded the questions very specifically for a reason.
You're talking about "reasons" sex is had, while I explicitly said "what it accomplishes
for the species". All of your reasons fall under your first reason (pleasure).
I, personally, see problems with that, but that's part of my views that you don't know
and don't have the decency to ask, because you're too busy type-casting me.


>i didn't know that straight ppl were having sex to pop out
>babies.
>i though straight ppl had all kinds of sex that cannot create
>a baby at all.
>in fact, i am pretty sure that humans have been working on
>ways to have sex WITHOUT creating a baby for about as long as
>ppl have been having sex.



Far be it from me to use even heterosexual people, in this society, as an example of
how to approach sex. We live in a sex-addicted environment. I mean, catcalling and
street harassment are considered normal too.



>to be honest, it could be argued that the thing that
>distinguishes
>humans from other primates how much we are preoccupied with
>non-procreative sex.
>
>humans don't only have sex when bitches are in heat. we do it
>whenever we want.
>because it feels good. because it's fun. because we get bored.
>
>and having sex for fun is one of the things we do that allows
>us to have
>the extended social networks that allowed us to get to the top
>of the food chain.


I hope you aren't saying my questions are ridiculous when you're saying stuff like this.
We are social beings who would form extended social networks with or without indulgence
in sex for pleasure. Cmon man.


>and why, oh why, do people act like being gay is completely or
>even mostly about having sex.



I'm not sure. You'll have to ask someone who feels that way. I simply asked specific
questions. You'd have to ask some of your own to know the rest of my thoughts instead
of assuming.



>>Why is socialization to denounce homosexuality any worse
>than
>>socialization to accept it?
>>
>>
>
>because fuck homophobes, that's why.


And those in the gray area?



>yes and i am sure somebody will post something that makes you
>
>reconsider everything you just said.
>
>because you are very interested in having a "debate" about
>how society should react to homosexuality.


Besides cosigning an "lofl", this was my only reply in this thread. So how is it that
I'm "very interested in have a debate"? Again, you're assuming a lot. Just ask if you
don't know. I asked the questions for a specific reason, and I asked them to Quad,
because I really wanted to hear HIS response (mainly more to interview than to debate).
I'm not looking to "reconsider" anything because I was asking in 3rd person.
You were too ready to go to see that though. I'm already aware that you respond
to people with the same stock response on certain subjects and treat people like
they're not individuals. I'm not Case_One, but you're talking to me like him. I'm
sure you're gonna come with some ol "but you're sounding like him!" crap, but I
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121. "are straight couples who can't have kids anti life as well?"
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If a person can't have kids do they have to stay single and not masturbate?

Just IMO though.

  

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135. "*Gets in this line* n/m"
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142. "Is infertility seen as a problem or no?"
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I mean, it's cool if you don't want kids, but yeah let's go with that comparison.
Are people upset about being infertile? People go to great lengths to correct that,
so if you look at homosexuality through those lenses, then it becomes a problem, of sorts.
That actually makes the "gay reform" theme of this video make sense.




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145. "Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants kids."
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>Are people upset about being infertile? People go to great
>lengths to correct that,
>so if you look at homosexuality through those lenses, then it
>becomes a problem, of sorts.

People are not be told that their infertility is evil and that they must fix it or else. The same should go for LGBT people regarding their sexual orientation.

>That actually makes the "gay reform" theme of this video make
>sense.

Nothing can make the gay reform theme of this video look anything but utterly ridiculous and tragic. Neither infertile people nor gays and lesbians should be shamed and ostracized. When they are, we get laughable spectacles like this convocation.

  

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150. "RE: Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants ki..."
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>People are not be told that their infertility is evil and that
>they must fix it or else. The same should go for LGBT people
>regarding their sexual orientation.


I agree with this. I was only saying that if we view it through the lenses of infertility,
then we are viewing it in terms of a lack that can be corrected through medicine,
minerals, herbs, or what have you. Some actually argue that this is the case.



>Nothing can make the gay reform theme of this video look
>anything but utterly ridiculous and tragic. Neither infertile
>people nor gays and lesbians should be shamed and ostracized.
>When they are, we get laughable spectacles like this
>convocation.


I agree with that too.


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157. "RE: Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants ki..."
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>I agree with this. I was only saying that if we view it
>through the lenses of infertility,
>then we are viewing it in terms of a lack that can be
>corrected through medicine,
>minerals, herbs, or what have you.

Well if you're viewing it in the context of science and medicine, then homosexuality is not like infertility. Infertility can be treated by medicine, surgery, and technology. Homosexuality cannot, because, for one, the medical community has concluded that homosexuality is not a disease or disorder -- there is nothing to be corrected. It's like treating the state of being left-handed. Furthermore, every major medical, psychiatric, and psychological association in the country has discredited gay conversion therapy and determined that it's harmful.

>Some actually argue that this is the case.

People argue lots of things -- that doesn't mean we should entertain their nonsense, especially when it's destructive, as is the case with "gay conversions." If homosexuality is deemed a lack of heterosexuality, then who is to say that blackness isn't a lack of whiteness, a legitimate disorder considered treatable via skin bleaching and total assimilation?

The burden of change must be put on the oppressor, not on the oppressed. Gay people aren't "lacking" anything but the peace that comes with being accepted for who they are.



  

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158. "RE: Not always. As you and other have pointed out, not everyone wants ki..."
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>Well if you're viewing it in the context of science and
>medicine


I wasn't. I was speaking on viewing it in the same way that we view infertility.
Well-meaning people often use the infertility line, and it's not a good comparison.
This was my point in asking these questions... the fact that even people who "defend"
homosexuality do it in the wrong way... thus you have overblown discussions like
we often have on here AND offline. I'm in COMPLETE agreement that it's like being
left-handed, and this is exactly the point I wanted someone in here to make,
because ppl have a tendency to overlook the points I make on this particular site,
so I just asked the questions that would facilitate the discussion.



>>Some actually argue that this is the case.
>
>People argue lots of things -- that doesn't mean we should
>entertain their nonsense, especially when it's destructive, as
>is the case with "gay conversions." If homosexuality is deemed
>a lack of heterosexuality, then who is to say that blackness
>isn't a lack of whiteness, a legitimate disorder considered
>treatable via skin bleaching and total assimilation?



Well, as stated above, the "lack" idea was only if you look at it homosexuality
from the perspective of infertility as Ted Gee suggested. I don't think it should
be seen that way. But if one viewed race that way, it would white people who were
lacking melanin, lol... and that's not treatable, hence their demonizing of Black folks
and relentless attempts to make US feel inferior... but that's another thread.


>The burden of change must be put on the oppressor, not on the
>oppressed. Gay people aren't "lacking" anything but the peace
>that comes with being accepted for who they are


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162. "*Daps*"
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166. "That wasn't my question"
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>Are people upset about being infertile? People go to great
>lengths to correct that,

People are upset at this video. I don't think you'd let their mood change your mind about the practice, so I'm not sure how peoples' mood about being infertile should change anything either. Some people are cool with being infertile.

>so if you look at homosexuality through those lenses, then it
>becomes a problem, of sorts.
>That actually makes the "gay reform" theme of this video make
>sense.

Some gays are perfectly fertile and have their own children. Are they therefore more justified that the family who can't have children?

Just IMO though.

  

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169. "RE: That wasn't my question"
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>People are upset at this video. I don't think you'd let their
>mood change your mind about the practice, so I'm not sure how
>peoples' mood about being infertile should change anything
>either. Some people are cool with being infertile.


This has been covered above in the convo with Goldmind. I don't think you realize
how I feel about the practice.


>>so if you look at homosexuality through those lenses, then
>it
>>becomes a problem, of sorts.
>>That actually makes the "gay reform" theme of this video
>make
>>sense.
>
>Some gays are perfectly fertile and have their own children.
>Are they therefore more justified that the family who can't
>have children?


I didn't say they aren't "justified". My original question asks "if sex is viewed in
light of what it accomplishes for the species and/or bloodline", which I think is how homosexual
intercourse is viewed by those who have a problem with it. It's described as a "devious" act.
It's hypocritical if they're having sex for pleasure, anal sex, or oral sex. In defense
of homosexuality, you really have to use that to your advantage.
I said that comparing their sexuality to infertility is, ultimately, a bad idea. As
Goldmind stated above, it's more comparable to left-handedness.




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28. "abby got this. "
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32. "I'm not doing this all day though. Ignorance is not bliss, and I got shi..."
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it's just that this is the stuff that pisses me off with my fellow Christians.

and it's why we continue to lose followers.

It's also why you have to have a vertical relationship with God and not a horizontal one...because abiding by other's so called understanding of God and not your own will mess you up every time.

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61. "aw you preachin today."
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>It's also why you have to have a vertical relationship with
>God and not a horizontal one...because abiding by other's so
>called understanding of God and not your own will mess you up
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73. "Per usual."
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34. "disgusting"
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abhorrent
wrong
gross
sad
horrific
etc etc etc etc

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

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46. "Im more offended about the dude that came to church in timberlands."
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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48. "i'm with abby on this one...but it was hard not to laugh"
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...cause it was SO silly and extra....i mean, homie said he wasn't gonna put on makeup anymore...LOL....it's ridiculous

i know folks who say they've been delivered from homesexuality and i say it's between them and God....

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51. "The crazy thing is he'll always have the stain of the gay on him..."
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No matter how some Christians want to clap to this or prop others that say they've been delivered as a examples, they always see those individuals through a gay lens. They'll say "Thank God he's been delivered" and in the same breath say "I'd never change in the locker room in front of him". It's all so farcical.

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79. "^^^"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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52. "I want to get high and watch this on repeat"
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Good lord this is hilarious.

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54. "Can't ya'll just laugh like the rest of the got damn world.... geesh"
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69. "that would be too easy, this is okp"
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55. "anyway. I'm out. But if you have a few hours and want to understand how"
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http://youtu.be/sLbfXJR8kxA

I identify in Christianity and interpret God's love of us, watch that^

start at 1:08 mark

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63. "I for one am disturbed....."
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that he was able to say "womenz" with a straight face.

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67. "RE: I for one am disturbed....."
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>that he was able to say "womenz" with a straight face.

It's still new to him.

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159. "LMAO"
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64. "So the ACT is the sin not the person"
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(and I am not being snarky)

is the behavior (cross dressing and same gender relations)
or is the orientation (being homosexual)

As I understand it from other discussions that a person can realize he or she is LGBT but not engage in fornication or other "acts" therefore they are in "grace" .

A more nuanced version of hate the sin and not the sinner so to speak.
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66. ""hate the sin, not the sinner" is a copout to disguise bigotry"
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the idea is supposed to be that God loves us all, even the gays

so people add "...not the sinner" to reconcile their ugliness and intolerance

  

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112. "that's the gist of it (for some Christians)"
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>is the behavior (cross dressing and same gender relations)
>or is the orientation (being homosexual)
>
>As I understand it from other discussions that a person can
>realize he or she is LGBT but not engage in fornication or
>other "acts" therefore they are in "grace" .

I have a cousin that is exactly this kind of scenario. She's VERY religious, she acknowledges that she's attracted to women and was uncomfortable with her own sexuality and gender identity since childhood and even that she was born and created by God to be that way..... she is married to a man and just had her 2nd baby. She believes that as long as she doesn't act on her true feelings, she is living in "grace". She's given talks about her experiences and her "success story". She's also a licensed mental health counselor that focuses on people with issues with their sexuality and gender identity.

I am DEEPLY conflicted by all of this.

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65. "lofl"
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Bwhahaha ha

  

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105. "That was exactly how I responded to it"
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70. "Oh, this is gonna be good. I'm so late to this. "
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76. "I've seen this subject line all day and it never ceases to make me laugh"
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"Homosexual Delivery"

lol... sounding like some gay version of UPS

I'm a 10th grader. I know.

also, the use of "mens"

dogg.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

I'm sorry. this whole thing is some bullshit. like... man.

  

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78. ""I WILL, I WILL, LOVE, A WOMEN!" Personally I'm not convinced he's..."
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delivered either, lol.

It was like he didn't even know what to call him, the preacher should've pulled some sisters out of the audience to confirm.

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93. "RE: i watched it again i laughed even more"
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the "stunned" within the bodies of the other suites is so apparent on second viewing

  

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80. "Past issues aside, Abby and Vex came with it in this post. Thank you"
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Sincere thanks to both of u for ur Input in this post.

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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82. "Also if u think homosexuality is wrong please just own that and be hones..."
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About it, so ur gay friends and relations can make an informed decision about how/if they wanna continue their friendship with u

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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85. "lol"
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87. "Not u, u been anti gay lol. I doubt u have probably said more than 2"
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Words to a gay person in all your years on earth. I'm talking moreso about labcoat and the like who have gay "friends". Not trying to vilify them but if they have a problem with gays,for whatever reason, they should make sure that stance is clear with their gay loved ones

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89. "I think that they are in a bad position"
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It's like, the church people tell them that they have to feel that way but then on the other hand they may have people they know that deal with the shit that don't necessarily fall under the "Gay" that gets talked about in church.

Now the shit that I can't fathom are the gay people that are still struggling in the religion!

  

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86. "It's like trying to camouflage ass taste with a mango lime-a-rita "
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Just come straight out with the nastiness, no one is fooled.
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88. "Right lol"
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prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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92. "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL"
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91. "If I went to church, it'd be one just like this."
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That soundtrack was banging. I was listening to what dude was saying, but my foot sure was tapping.

They got music, money dances, yelling. Seems like a fun place to spend a Sunday morning

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94. "So after watching the whole video... I find this so disgusting"
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Seems like the pastor just took advantage of the situation to hype things up... and giving him money.... but then again if that's how they do things there, that young man is going to the wrong church. It's pretty obvious how that church feels about homosexuality.

It's been awhile since I have been a member of a church but I don't understand why the whole congregation has to know my "sins"





"Fuck this shit man"

  

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96. " “I don’t like MENS no more”, comedy"
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122. "'Toine forgot to put the bass in his voice at the beginning. "
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I guess the youth choir gon be looking for a new director... nigga go by Tone now.

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97. "Religion (C) "
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My people...my people...

  

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98. "LMAO @ dude w/ the timbs who came stomping in"
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im sorry this shit is comedy
it's also disgusting but LOL

date a women
women women women bleeresre women

there's so much wrong. gotta laugh


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99. "Internet Hath No Chill (The Remix)"
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https://www.facebook.com/EricThomasME/posts/10152878748026908

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108. "Oh my gawd!!!!!!!!! ThAt is the funniest thing ever..."
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146. "DEATH"
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_______________________
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147. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvn8b92qSc"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkvn8b92qSc

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155. "yoooo... *head slumps into hands*"
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www.twitter.com/luvlee2003

  

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101. "OKP: Makes this an extremely serious debate"
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Real life: LMFAOOOOOOO, HAHAHAHA, LOOOOOL, OMG, and "nigga did you see this shit yet?"

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127. "funny enough only okps have posted this on my facebook"
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lol

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102. "Good for him. "
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If he's happy about the change who are we to disprove.


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106. "lol"
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130. "^^^^^ aye listen..........aside frm the Wimmins Wimmins Wimmins"
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being funny.....the fact of the matter is this
the young man came for a purpose
he believed that what he came for........it happened.
i just am soooo terribly disappointed that this became viral.

There are things that happen in different customs...cultures....surroundings that ppl who are OUTSIDE of it will not fully understand. This got out for the WORLD to see. So instead of the churchy laugh (because of the comical way we heard his words).....now the WORLD has been given the opportunity to question the very concept of deliverance.

now we are gonna ALLLLLLL disagree about SOMETHING. Big or small. In the Pentacostal sect of Christianity (in which I am a part of)...homosexuality IS a sin. It is a sin JUST like the rest of the sins. ALLLL of it is sin across the BOARD. The bible states it as an abomination JUST like the Bible states God's disapproval of all of the OTHER sins. THAT is OUR way of living. Now if you LIKE it or not....thas on YOU.

I respect Quad's stance on "if it works for him......great. It didn't work for me".......I applaud that. Everything that works for OTHERS won't WORK for you.

Christianity...the Pentacostal way is another one of them things. I'm COGIC.....didn't make convocation this year. But yea......this type of church.....we have. (now they dont all get on the mic and damage the English language like this brutha did)....but this setting is not uncommon.

Feel how you feel.....but this movement is as real to me....and whatever movement you support is for you. Kiana........I feel u sis.
But there comes a time when u can't argue principles that are simply not shared. Its like an apple arguing with a peanut about whose shell is the hardest.
Whas the point?

i'm praying that this young man is okay and for his journey. I can tell he is rather a fragile dude. I hope this kind of exposure as embarrassing as it is....will not drive him to hurt himself or anyone else.

  

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131. "#yikes "
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134. "do you see the potential for him to be brainwashed here?"
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if a weak minded impressionable person trusts your authority and you tell them a book says they aren't living right, dont you think they'll go to any length to please you?

it's deeper than "he saw something he wanted to fix and came to be healed", him being drawn to other men isnt a criminal act. his only reason for being conflicted is the lack of support from people whose approval he so desperately seeks.

pretty sure I wont get anywhere here, but at least I tried

  

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136. "Do you ACCEPT..."
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shout out to brother claw

  

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163. "RE: ^^^^^ aye listen..........aside frm the Wimmins Wimmins Wimmins"
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103. "even though I laughed... this is really sad and disturbing"
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107. "right? these people have been invaded"
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and it ain't the "Holy Ghost" that they're thinking of.

It's sad when people are not aware of the ramifications of being in league w/ entities they know nothing about.

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140. "RE: right? these people have been invaded"
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>and it ain't the "Holy Ghost" that they're thinking of.
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>It's sad when people are not aware of the ramifications of
>being in league w/ entities they know nothing about.
>
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see? after watching it, I realized NONE of that was even remotely safe and posted this to someone's timeline on FB (who's not an OKP but posted the video and commented about it):

it's sad that people can't even feel SAFE in a place of worship because NOTHING about what I saw feels "safe". When are people going to understand that a) not everyone on this planet is straight b) yes, black LGBT folk exist and I will gleefully look at you sideways and clown you if you tell me we don't and c) blackness and alternative, no, other presentations of sexuality/sexual orientation is not only fluid, but PERFECTLY FINE. Why is this still problematic for folks? SMH

there was so much going on in that video and NONE OF IT WAS GOOD....AT ALL.

Get Out the Room
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110. "I laughed but I do feel bad for little dude. Are there X Churches that...."
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are more accepting of homosexuals?

It seems like a bad choice if you have to choose between your faith and who you are.


And miss me with that "but the bible is pretty clear on homosexual..."

The only thing the bible is pretty clear on is that we all need to strive to be better people and treat each other with inclusiveness and love.

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113. "it even sends mixed messages about that. "
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>The only thing the bible is pretty clear on is that we all
>need to strive to be better people and treat each other with
>inclusiveness and love.
>


Old Testament God is all about you loving fellow Jews that worship
the true and living God. But in the next verse he will tell you to go and slay a rival tribe.

which arguably contradicts jesus' message of loving everybody equally.
not necessarily.

but arguably.

  

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124. "True but I am a new testament, new covenant type of dude. "
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>
>
>>The only thing the bible is pretty clear on is that we all
>>need to strive to be better people and treat each other with
>>inclusiveness and love.
>>
>
>
>Old Testament God is all about you loving fellow Jews that
>worship
>the true and living God. But in the next verse he will tell
>you to go and slay a rival tribe.
>
>which arguably contradicts jesus' message of loving everybody
>equally.
>not necessarily.
>
>but arguably.
>


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192. "screw that classic coke crap, new coke all the way baby"
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114. "I go to an episcopal church and our pastor was* oepnly gay"
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*he still is gay, he recently left our church.

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148. "LOL @ the asterisk"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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149. "I think Episcopal churches are so fascinating"
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It feels like Catholicism but with, I dunno...balls lol. I went to a service in the Bronx where the priest was gay and married, and most of the congregation (except for my Belizean date) were African and West Indian. It felt like the Catholic mass I used to attend, except most of the people were black and social justice was a large component of the sermon. It was dope.

  

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116. "presbyterian church"
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i think it varies by church/region/etc but some are more open than others
i know there was a huge row in the episcopal church about openly gay reverends

my old boss is a presbyterian minister and her church is pretty open
a fellow coworker was a minister in the church and she is a lesbian
went to my first same sex wedding in their church

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125. "Fortunately, there are lots of churches that affirm LGBT people"
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In NYC, for example, many of my black LGBT friends go to Emmanuel Baptist Church in Clinton Hill, which is very popular. http://ebcconnects.com/

And they're all up in Abysinnian Baptist Church in Harlem. abyssinian.org

And at Riverside in Morningside Heights. http://www.theriversidechurchny.org/

Not to mention the Presbyterian, Episcopal, and UCC churches, which welcome openly gay people as church leaders and condone same-sex unions.

I think that COGIC is anti-intellectual and convenes a special breed of Bammas.

  

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126. "Wow that's great"
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>In NYC, for example, many of my black LGBT friends go to
>Emmanuel Baptist Church in Clinton Hill, which is very
>popular. http://ebcconnects.com/
>
>And they're all up in Abysinnian Baptist Church in Harlem.
>abyssinian.org
>
>And at Riverside in Morningside Heights.
>http://www.theriversidechurchny.org/
>
>Not to mention the Presbyterian, Episcopal, and UCC churches,
>which welcome openly gay people as church leaders and condone
>same-sex unions.

So inspiring to see churches that have that kind of courage in an environment like that, unlike those who only find their voice when they're in the chorus with the oppressive majority.

Just IMO though.

  

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119. "the remix makes it even better"
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120. "did rev just say 'Your past is behind you... pause'?"
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Man I been laffin at this shit for 22 skrate minutes now!

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177. "now you're making me rewatch"
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because if that's true i could use the laugh.

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129. "The real question is"
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what woman will pretend they believe he is no longer gay and actually date him.
I mean after this he cant just not come to next years even without a "friend"...or wear that damn outfit.



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132. "you ask that question because you're a non-believer"
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didn't you see him catch the 'Holy Ghost' and jerk
his body like T.D. Cakes after getting simp'd out
by Tyler Perry?

Exactly.

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133. "I just wanna see his future wife."
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I hope the church offers counseling for her when she finds out he still likes MENZZZZZ.


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144. "I think that she fits one of two profiles:"
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- a true "believer" in the concept of praying away the gay; heterosexual woman

- a true "believer" who has (in their mind) prayed away the gay.

  

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138. "on the surface - hilarity - but really all types of tragedy -"
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he truly believes he is not a good enough christian w/o a woman on his arm

think on that

he's carried around those learned feelings of inadequacy for yeeeears before this vid.

that has to fuck you up mentally. gots to.

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139. "Is no one gonna talk about that lady's hat?!?!"
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That dame wearing the doctor suess hat around the 3 minute mark? It was like the cherry on this comedy sundae for me. His run down the aisle was golden too. This video is the running definition of the word Hilarisad.'

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143. "This seriously the most Hillarisad shit ever."
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Like damn near everything about this Video is WTF

As a self identifying Christian I'm seriously mad that there are people dumb enough to fall for THIS mess.

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151. "So somebody made a cartoon, lol...(video link)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm3wpI2x9-I

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152. "ya'll glossing over the important facts...like his ridiculous bowtie"
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and him saying:

womenzwomenzwomenzwomenz. blgrhblgrhblgrhblgrh....womenz.
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it's true what they say...people are strange, when you're strangers.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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153. "http://imgur.com/J6hLQHw"
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http://imgur.com/J6hLQHw

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154. "LMAO"
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>womenzwomenzwomenzwomenz. blgrhblgrhblgrhblgrh....womenz.

  

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156. "ya'll glossing over the important facts...like that snakeskin"
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lavender jacket

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187. "edit: WUHMENZ"
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182. "haha, my comment WAY up there said his declaration and bowtie"
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are not agreeing with each other Haha (or something like that, i'd have to go back and read exactly what i wrote)

haha

  

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186. "RE: MFers are so bent out of shape, they can't even laugh no mo"
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tie had about 4 layers and 24 ruffles

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160. "I can't stop watchin "
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161. "Kid Fury is PISSED."
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https://soundcloud.com/theread/delivurt-us-from-evil/s-ftugF (start at about 59:20)

  

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171. "Kid Fury is the homie."
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He makes great points.

And lmao @ dressed like Carlton and Vivian Banks at the same time.

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164. "did he say delivered...more?"
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that isn't a pass/fail kind of thing?

when my mother organized a church-wide pray by, she accused me of willfully rejecting my deliverance when it didn't work.

i guess i will be a heathen forever.

but then again...God DID come to her in a dream to announce that i would soon marry a good christian man and add to her collectiom of grandchildren. who am i to disagree with that?


*smears lambs blood on this post so the homophobes will pass over*

prose before hoes

  

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165. "this must be the same place kirk franklin got delivered..."
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prose before hoes

  

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167. "now they're saying dude is a con artist and a criminal and the whole..."
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thing was staged....

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168. "LIVE from Memphis [VIDEO]"
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http://launch.newsinc.com/share.html?trackingGroup=91792&siteSection=sebossip&videoId=28142582

  

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172. "Fool said he's going to medical school online lol"
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173. "Statement from COGIC:"
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http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/wmctv/COGICSTATEMENT.pdf

Just IMO though.

  

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190. "How did they quantify the last two things this list following"
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"559 individuals committed their lives to Christ;
97 individuals re-dedicated their lives to Christ;
224 Christians were filled with the Holy Spirit, according to (Acts 2:4)
27 individuals received divine deliverance from a number of afflictions."

Did someone walk around and count people falling out with the holy ghost and being delivered? Did they have everyone fill out a questionnaire?


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170. "I dunno how anyone could be surprised that this is fake."
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174. "lol at one of these reviews of his book on amazon"
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http://www.amazon.com/Billionaire-Like-Father-Son/product-reviews/1479184373/ref=sr_1_3_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1


1.0 out of 5 stars Just like you were ran off facebook by deleting your page ..., November 13, 2014
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You are a scam artist .EVERYONE know now .That that delievrance service was a scam between you and the preachers. They also know you still live with your boyfriend and are into so scandlous schems .You are going to be shown up when you go to the other interviews ,they will NOT go in your favor -they are going to have all the legal dirt on you -watch and see.You think the interviews are going to let go talk but they are going to pull everything up about you -even your mentally problems. Just like you were ran off facebook by deleting your page -you will be ran off the interviews the same way .No one going to congrat you because they know now you are a liar and a cun and you are still gay. You lied about being molested as a child even lying between each interviews givening different version on the events. You lied about being a new yorker best seller. as well as haveing net income in the millions, you lied about going to school to be a doctor, you lied about the insureance fraud, you lied about the jag you have told so many lies --and you are going to get caught in these scams you and this person are commenting...better think son before it's too late..you played with God --but that same God is going to bring you down --WATCH AND SEE. MARK MY WORDS---I DON'T KNOW YOU BUT I CARE FOR YOU --GET OUT WHILE YOU HAVE TIME--THAT TYPE OF LIFE LEADS TO DESTRUCTION
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175. "The misspellings are gold."
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"cun" artist lol

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176. "but was this review helpful to you tho?"
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178. "lol"
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179. "COGIC going to sue him over his new single "I'm Not Gay No More""
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http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/21/andrew-caldwell-im-not-gay-no-more-song-sued-church/

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183. "Arrested for soliciting male prostitututes (swipe)"
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“The devil snuck up on me and put that man in my mouth, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like women” LMAOOOOO




http://nahadaily.com/articles/im-gay-guy-arrested-soliciting-male-man/

St Louis — “I’m still not gay. I’m bi-sexual” Said the man name Andrew Colbwell responsible for the viral video of him testifying his non-gay lifestyle. Andrew Colbwell was arrested in St. Louis by police men that say they recognized him instantly from his video while he was attempting to buy a male prostitute.
“The devil snuck up on me and put that man in my mouth, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like women” Said Andrew to policemen after making bail posted by his Church’s pastor. St Louis police believe this will not be the last time he attempts to purchase a prostitute considering he had enough money on him to buy the man for a couple of days.

  

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184. "even though its probably not true its still funny as hell, lol"
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185. "Got Christians here calling devils and lies left and right"
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>“The devil snuck up on me and put that man in my mouth, but
>that doesn’t mean I don’t like women” LMAOOOOO
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>http://nahadaily.com/articles/im-gay-guy-arrested-soliciting-male-man/
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But couldn't call this before time. Dude went to church to get rent boy money.

Wisdom and discernment fail yet again.

Just IMO though.

  

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DaHeathenOne76
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Fri Nov-21-14 06:21 PM

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188. "Negros Against Hairline Abuse daily n/m"
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SankofaII
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189. "but this? THIS RIGHT HERE?!"
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“The devil snuck up on me and put that man in my mouth, but
that doesn’t mean I don’t like women”

I can't. I CAN NOT TONIGHT....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Get Out the Room
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Some of y'all need this in your life: http://www.psychology.com

  

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Warren Coolidge
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193. "he was rockin a mink coat at the ferguson riots..."
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cuz he can ford to.....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=580101032120167

  

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