obvious spoiler alert if you're not caught up/want to check it out yourself.

but yo. i just don't think he did it. the evidence doesn't really add up and people's testimonies are too wishy washy. i know this isn't a defence, but dude just doesn't SOUND like he did it.

but if it wasn't him, i'm not sure who it would be. and why would jay make all that shit up? iono.

what yall sayin?

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What this post needed to be called was "Yoooo, this Serial sh*t is Amazing!!!!!"

Or "Serial > True Detective".


Cause if that was the title this post, then I might have checked for this Serial Podcast (Ioneven fuzz with podcasts like that).

I think I heard about from a slate article.

I was about to make a post titled "If you aren't listening to Serial, your pretty much a dumb ass" before I found this post.


Anyway just messing with you but, yeah it is really good. Like I started it on a long bus ride and couldn't stop listening to I was all the way caught up.

BTW, I think he did it. Mainly because, well dude has this non-chalant disconnected way of talking about it like I would associate with a sociopath. I know that's weak evidence but something about dude just seems off to me.



>obvious spoiler alert if you're not caught up/want to check
>it out yourself.
>
>but yo. i just don't think he did it. the evidence doesn't
>really add up and people's testimonies are too wishy washy. i
>know this isn't a defence, but dude just doesn't SOUND like he
>did it.
>
>but if it wasn't him, i'm not sure who it would be. and why
>would jay make all that shit up? iono.
>
>what yall sayin?
>
>


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>BTW, I think he did it. Mainly because, well dude has this
>non-chalant disconnected way of talking about it like I would
>associate with a sociopath. I know that's weak evidence but
>something about dude just seems off to me.

...It's 15 years after the fact...it ain't like the wound is still fresh. His demeanor and attitude would've probably sounded mad different in 2000.

>BTW, I think he did it. Mainly because, well dude has this
>non-chalant disconnected way of talking about it like I would
>associate with a sociopath. I know that's weak evidence but
>something about dude just seems off to me.

as he is now....i can see how the trial could have gone sideways

but i wonder if his non-chalant attitude is a result of him doing so much time for something he didn't do and at this point he has kinda given up on proving his innocence.
you could kinda hear it in his reaction to the timeline re-enactment. he was crushed.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

.

Is this like an audio version of Law & Order meets Dateline NBC?

mind
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matter

You know how Law & Order everything gets wrapped up and all the questions are answered. You gets none of that. Also alot of things are a dead end just because it happened 15 years ago. In most cases people just forgot what happened with time. Also the boys public defender died.

So imagine trying to investigate a case under these conditions.

ALso unlike law and order they spend an entire episode on just one aspect of the case. Like one episode was only focused on the dude who found the body and his strange story. It's all awesomeness.


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>why would jay make all that shit up? iono.

my sunday consisted of me laying in bed listening to all episodes straight lol

as for jay...i think maybe he made it up because he was jealous of dude's relationship with his girlfriend...seems like some petty payback type stuff....like i am sure jay wasn't all that happy about dude buying his girl a birthday present AND then reminding him to get her one lol i am sure that isn't the only time he inserted himself in their relationship. so maybe it was a way to get rid of him for good? which would be soooooo f*cked up but yeah :/

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

Jay's unreliable stories were a huge red flag for me

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Towards no
I think jay is a liar
His stories have changed so much over time
But why would he lie?
Why implicate yourself in a murder

What abt the guy that found the body?

I think the cops did a shitty job
Or maybe she hasn't gotten that far
Was there evidence in her trunk
His prints? Her hair?

Shit's got me hooked. Granted, we don't have all the facts yet, but as is, I don't think he did it. Even if he did, his lawyer did some serious fuckin' up, 'cause there was enough to create reasonable doubt.

Dude basically had an alibi...a girl told him that she saw him in the library after school during the time that the murder occurred. Defense chose to ignore this for some inexcusable reason. Didn't even reach out to her for a statement.

Only a 26 minute window to get out of the school parking lot, drive to a Best Buy several miles away, strangle her to death, and drag her body to a trunk without being seen...all this in broad daylight.

The primary witness for the prosecution is a drug-dealer whose story changes repeatedly.

Cell phone records don't fully support the witness' timeline.

Motive was flimsy and manufactured, etc.

Alcoholic pervert who works at the school just happens to 'stumble' across the buried body when he's taking a leak....crime scene investigators couldn't find it even when they knew the exact coordinates. No follow-up there...

I don't know what the hell happened to that girl, but right now...I think Adnan is innocent.

Getting super anxiously excited about the Little Ophan Annie Radio Show coming on his radio. He pounces up close to the radio on his tummy and turns up the volume in anticipation...anticipation to *LISTEN* to the radio!

*SPOILERS BELOW*

That's how I feel about Serial. I have never been so excited to hear someone talk for ~30-40 mins once a week. Sarah Koenig (and Ira Glass) have crafted a truly revolutionary program with Serial. This last week's episode was possibly my favourite yet. When Sarah and her partner were tracking the 21 minute challenge between school's last buzzer and the phone call to Jay from Best Buy I was on the edge of my seat. Part of it is a testament to the editing of the show. It's masterful. The combination of the incredible Nick from Islands score along with the way they interweave the real audio from the players with Sarah's narration is so fucking good.

I love the way she gets us all hyped on our emotions (the same ones she admits to having) like Adnan just not *seeming* like a killer, or Jay being super sketchy, and then she snaps us back to reality with a "BUT, maybe Adnan *did* do it. Maybe he's just a really good liar. Maybe I just want to believe he didn't do it....But what if he did?" <--- stuff like that. She never claims to be a detective, and she reminds us that she isn't. Which is part of the fun. It makes us all feel like detectives along with her.

I can't wait for every Thursday.


Anyone have any idea how many eps Season 1 is supposed to go? Like, I don't wanna google spoilers seeing as this is a true story that probably has an outcome that can be easily googled.

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At first I was like this would make a great documentary. But by the end it seems clear this is the best format (not sure why).

I think its a disservice to call it a podcast. Podcast in my mind cannotes a couple dudes extemporaneously talking about bullshit.

Serial is so much more than that. I think its best described as a serial audio documentary.


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I just checked the website and seeing pictures Adnan in the background kind of ruined it for me. I built up an image in my head that was nothing like what I saw

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I'ma be mad letdown if this just turns into some "We'll never know what happened, but..." shit. I hope she finds something definitive.

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I like my stories neatly, tightly wrapped at the end. Otherwise I'm angry. That's why I always liked Boardwalk Empire. Every single scene made sense in the end.

And I still wanna know what was in that goddamn briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

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me and everybody at the school was convinced he did that shit. Now I'm not so sure. I feel crazy even feeling like I did back then.

Besides that it's really nostalgic. It's a trip down memory lane. The narrator really did her homework

I was cool with a lot of folks from the football team so I knew of him and saw him in passing.

was it that jay's story was so believeable?

was it adnan's non-chalant demeanor?

something else?

also would you say the timeline is possible?
to me, obviously not knowing the area, it seems like a pretty small window to do everything.

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

>was it that jay's story was so believeable?
>
>was it adnan's non-chalant demeanor?
>
>something else?
>
>also would you say the timeline is possible?
>to me, obviously not knowing the area, it seems like a pretty
>small window to do everything.


It happened out of nowhere. One day we were going to school, the next day all of that shit happened. We really didn't get any other side of the story. No one was really in the school sticking up for him like that.

And you're right about the window being small. Granted, everything was within a small distance, but it ain't no way somebody would do all of that shit within 20 minutes. You're not going to strangle a girl in a Best Buy parking lot no less, and have her not put up a fight. The odds of that happening are way too small.

Not romantically but I just think she has lost some of her objectivity, which is great for the story.

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http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

She's presenting it kind of like a defense attorney. Just with a little more objectivity.

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I love it though. It's got me excited about my commute.

They better follow up more on the Jay thing. That would be a such a crazy, elaborate lie. What reason would he have to lie like that? Seems like they were really good friends up until her death.

I wonder about the timing of his statement and whether he knew details about the murder (from the news or other sources) that he could use to fill in the gaps of the story and make it seem more realistic.

Based off of what I have heard, I don't think Adnan did it. The motive seems weak and Jay's story seems a little too on the nose.

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i think that Adnan put him up to it.
i just don't see Jay being that clever to kill Hae and framing Adnan. dude told police "im the criminal element of woodlawn" like that right there let me know he was a bitch ass dude and probably not smart enough to pull something like this off.

Adnan would have never gotten convicted. even though i still think he was in on it

They hid what they had to hide and did what they had to do to win this case. Whether Adnan did or not, it was too much doubt to convict dude on.

>They hid what they had to hide and did what they had to do to
>win this case. Whether Adnan did or not, it was too much doubt
>to convict dude on.



but his attorney was negligent as hell in my opinion.

15 years later to point out how flawed this conviction was.

Even with what we don't know yet, the fact is that the prosecution's case hinged exclusively on a drug dealers story and a sketchy cell phone timeline, a possibly complicit and abetting drug dealer at that. How on earth is this guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There is zero physical evidence that Adnan killed Hei. (That we know of). But Sarah definitively told us early in the podcast that that was the entire case for the prosecution.

Adnan had some shifty ass defence attorneys, and its *sounds* like the jury was heavily confused by the cell phone tech talk.

Without a single minute more of this podcast, it's judicially irresponsible that Adnan was convicted. We don't even need to hear more. Beyond a reasonable doubt requires some semblance of evidence, no? This whole case is insanity.

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>
>Without a single minute more of this podcast, it's judicially
>irresponsible that Adnan was convicted. We don't even need to
>hear more. Beyond a reasonable doubt requires some semblance
>of evidence, no? This whole case is insanity.

We are unable to hear from the defense attorney so we don't know why she did not persue the witness who placed Adnan at the library.

We don't know why that witness later retracted her story (which may also explain why the defense attorney didn't use her).

We don't know if it were possible for Jay to know the details that he knew without being complicit in the murder.

I feel like it would be easy to pick a part alot of 15 year old cases because time passes and people forget shit and witnesses move on and die.

We are only half-way through the story and I am sure there are alot more twists and turns left.


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http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

>We are unable to hear from the defense attorney so we don't
>know why she did not persue the witness who placed Adnan at
>the library.

can you think of any good reason why she didn't even contact her? like at all. One could maybe come up with some good reasons why she didn't put her on the stand but to NOT contact her at all?? To me as a, layperson granted, is just terrible. (but also remember Sarah asked several other lawyers who said her not contacted the witness was egregious)

>We don't know why that witness later retracted her story
>(which may also explain why the defense attorney didn't use
>her).
I don't recall her retracting her story so much as her just not showing up to testify. And the reason for that is because like she said she thought because the lawyer didn't contact her meant they didn't believe her and she believed in the Justice system to do it's job
>
>We don't know if it were possible for Jay to know the details
>that he knew without being complicit in the murder.

only way he could know those details is if Adnan killed her or someone else Jay knew killed her and told Jay those details or he did it himself

>
>I feel like it would be easy to pick a part alot of 15 year
>old cases because time passes and people forget shit and
>witnesses move on and die.

that's probably true but to be fair even the Detectives seemed incredulous about Jay's story which is why they interviewed him so many times. And i'm assuming that his defense attorney had access to Jay's taped interviews with police. So if an untrained news reporter can pick up on the glaring inconsistencies no reason why Adnan's attorney couldn't

>
>We are only half-way through the story and I am sure there are
>alot more twists and turns left.

you're absolutely right. and i can't wait for the new episode!
>

think I was quite as into as I was by the later episodes so I have to figure out where he fits in.

I just kind of remember it not seeming like his whole story was told yet.

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that's what sarah told us, multiple times, so take that for what it was. but regardless of what we don't yet know, if that was the entire case, there is nothing more to know about this conviction other than that it was flawed and not worthy of life+30 or whatever adnan got. Even if he did it, which seems hazy, but even if he did, the prosecutions case provides zero concrete evidence. there is reasonable doubt here.

about to listen to episode 6, so maybe that'll be addressed more...

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though I'm not totally sure why. my best guess is it had something to do with Adnan's relationship with Jay's girlfriend and this was something more innocent done with a revenge motive which went wrong on Jay's part.

the reason I say that is because Adnan seems to be fairly clueless but Jay knows EVERYTHING about the crime. on top of that Adnan just seemed to have no motive - I'm like the host, I just don't see the motive that the prosecution laid out as fitting Adnan.

>
>the reason I say that is because Adnan seems to be fairly
>clueless but Jay knows EVERYTHING about the crime. on top of
>that Adnan just seemed to have no motive - I'm like the host,
>I just don't see the motive that the prosecution laid out as
>fitting Adnan.

i'm thinking we'll get some reasons to doubt Adnan's innocence.

n/m

He was suspect #1 in my eyes when I heard his interview in the 1st episode. I was thinking he knows a little too much and his story was way too on the nose.

And he said he helped dig the grave? Are there no charges for that? Accessory to murder or something like that.

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>And he said he helped dig the grave? Are there no charges for
>that? Accessory to murder or something like that.

tho it appears to be for his participation in the cover up.
adnan's jury wasn't aware of that.

Jay seems way way too invested/involved.

now go runtelldat, ho.

protect him or throw his butt in jail? That'd be the easy case to make.


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i still blame hip-hop.

Dennis Rodman of the school
Goth, piercings etc

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@calilive

i still blame hip-hop.