If you're Olivia Pope, what would you do to try and salvage him? Or is he DONE completely?

"You don't like climbing trees?......You're missin' out." - Michael Jackson

"But Michael, you're a 44-year-old man now, what do you get out of
this?" - Martin Bashir

"Prince Michael II but we call him Blanket......because it's an expression I use

>If you're Olivia Pope, what would you do to try and salvage
>him? Or is he DONE completely?

Done and this did not need it's own post. Olivia pope shouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole.

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I just want to know what's the magic amount of accusers needed for someone to be guilty.

it's over.

fuck you.

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Hell, apparently the judge who released the disposition used his 'pound cake' speech as one of the reasons to release it.

His ass should have been contrite and apologetic, admitted he had a problem, etc. Instead he's doubled down on the denial bullshit for a decade, on top of his attempted run as a 'moral crusader'

nothing he does from now until the day he dies can change that legacy.


>If you're Olivia Pope, what would you do to try and salvage
>him? Or is he DONE completely?

pretty sure we discussed it but seeing his name made me go hmmm.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

GQ did an article that sums up my thoughts on the first case.

the second case was weaker than the first.

but I had to deal with the idea that my hero might be a child molsestor. I decided even if he did it, MJ as a symbol, and an artist is seperate from michael joe jackson, the person.


bill cosby is also a hero of mine. him being a rapist doesn't change anything as far as his art is concerned.

>pretty sure we discussed it but seeing his name made me go
>hmmm.

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the world is filled w/ppl who wouldn't be allowed to babysit my kids.

fuck you.

look at my screenname.
do i strike you as somebody that would have let my kid go to Neverland to meet michael jackson alone?


anyway, like most parents, i wouldn't let unvetted strangers babysit my kid.

i wouldn't let my father babysit my kids.

so that's no kind of standard.

People say one thing till it stares them right in the face and then have a change of heart.

but I will always love The Cosby Show

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there's no saving his career.

he should disappear from public view. he's got plenty money - he should go chill somewhere out of sight and enjoy his private time w/his family and friends. no more public appearances - ever. for any reason.

fuck you.

He needs to go settle in some remote ranch in a flyover state and die quietly.

i dunno why more exposed rich people don't pull a Polanski and just fade into bolivian

http://www.youtube.com/user/gumzization
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I don't wanna see or ever hear from him again. Just fade to black.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

When R Kelly was going thru his whatever...I shat all on him. I didn't like him before the (true) accusations...I shit on anyone that rode for his music...fuck that dude and all he produces.

Now Bill Cosby has me in the same position.

Try as I might...I can't discredit the importance of The OG Electric Company....Fat Albert....Bill Cosby Himself....the classic films with Sidney Poitier....Martin's March....Picture Pages...A Different World....The Cosby Show....

I just can't. Those shows formed my childhood and play a great part in the man that I am today.

So now I find myself justifying the same shit that I denounced people for doing with R Kelly.

Granted....we have never fully mined the cultural value of 12 Play.....

I said all that to say that Bill Cosby the man is toast. He needs to retire and deal with the collateral damage...because it in no way measures up to the psychological damage he's done to countless women over the years. I'm not trying to sit and build with Bill Cosby the man.

But his body of work is still important. The lessons I learned by watching a black family that resembled MY family on screen for the 1st time still resonate.

I'm a hypocrite now.

And I'm perfectly cool with that.

Sometimes life isn't simple.

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and consistency is vastly overrated.

fuck you.

that people were still fucking with R Kelly

"HE GOOD!!"

That's kinda the Webster's Dictionary meaning of hypocrisy

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Cosby doesn't have any new projects to support

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uplifting to DVS and countless other folks... especially Black folks.
Well the artistic contributions he named, anyway.
This is a man who had a broadcast where he brought in a psychologist to examine
the results of racism on children and the art they produce and the stealing renowned
artists did from African art.

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R. Kelly is not in the same universe as cosby, but he is still an artist.

Why does it matter that his art isn't always "positive?"

A show like Fat Albert addressed life issues and perspectives for children.
The aforementioned examination of the affects of racism on children is valuable.

I can't entertain you questioning why that's different from Bump & Grind.

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his music has made ppl feel good without hurting them.

which, honestly, is one of the
most amazing things a human can do.


>A show like Fat Albert addressed life issues and perspectives
>for children.
>The aforementioned examination of the affects of racism on
>children is valuable.
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>I can't entertain you questioning why that's different from
>Bump & Grind.
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

so is "hot pants" by james brown.

so what?
we like dumb, tacky songs sometimes.

art would suck if everthing was high brow.

he also wrote I believe I can fly and you are not alone.
those are great records.

step in the name of love gets parties going to this day.

I am not an r. kelly fan, but he's a good, but artist.

objectify women and offered clear steps to psychological rehabilitation.

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R. Kelly ain't Bill Cosby. it's fine to think that Cosby's cultural contributions are such that your enjoyment of them trumps whatever ill-feelings you have toward him due to his bad acts. and that Kelly's contributions don't move you enough to allow you to overlook his bad acts and enjoy his music and videos.

fuck you.

you can't really compare their body of work or social works, so I see where you are coming from on that.

To me, its just a lesson about there being no hard and fast rules for judgment.

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I think you should.
what cosby reprents, as a symbol, has nothing to do with who he is in real life.

I am okay with that.

you can be, too.

I wouldn't support Cosby of he had a new show in town but I will always watch The Cosby Show...

well, depending on if I can find it anywhere.

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Appreciate what he brought as a comic and actor

But then revile him As a person

banned for life...all his records null and void for betting on baseball and lying about it.

no steroid or PED use (that we know of).

no in-game related cheating

no umpire conspiracy.

no bribes.


just betting...and not even betting against his own team - in any relation of attempts to throw games as the records show.

if Pete had come clean about his actions, he'd be in the Hall of Fame today. There wouldn't be much more collateral damage than what he did to himself.

If Bill had come clean about his actions...he would have not only tarnished his "legacy"...but he would have opened himself up to countless lawsuits.

Snot quite the same.

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>no in-game related cheating

his bookie's notes reveal he DID bet on Reds games as a player.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/pete-rose-bookie-notebook-reveals-bet-player-report-article-1.2266800

>just betting...and not even betting against his own team - in
>any relation of attempts to throw games as the records show.

no evidence he bet against the Reds. yet.

fuck you.

As they say, it's displayed in every clubhouse in bold letters: Do not bet on baseball. No ambiguity; don't do it. He broke THE rule, so he can't be mad that he has to face the consequences.

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he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

fuck you.

But he didn't. He broke the one cardinal rule, then lied about it for years, only owned up to it because he wanted to shill his auto-bio, and still managed to lie after that.

Now he's old and he's never getting in. Can't say I feel sorry for him.

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the way that nerd-ass journalists have a strangle-hold on the BBHOF is absurd. and they're raking Pete over the coals for silly reasons, IMO. unless it can be proved he cheated i think he belongs in the HOF and the entry can include info about the betting scandal and all of that. but the man's achievements on the field still stand and to exclude them and him from the HOF diminishes the HOF.

fuck you.

hell none of the known and busted PED users' records have been voided.

Pete Rose is still the undisputed Hit King. But he is banned from the HOF any further involvement with MLB.

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Any chance he would have had to come back would take a lot of time and explanation and he doesn't seem to have much of either one.
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Music is almost everything.

and admitting that he did in fact drug women in order to have sex with them.

bill clinton took a few years to rehab his image after a consensual sexual act with a 20 something intern.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/11/23ED278900000578-0-image-m-54_1418332245151.jpg

He's done

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for weeks or nearly as famous as cosby.

this bad news got full complete penetration of the mainstream and has been ongoing for a year. i don't remember r kelly being on the nightly news. if it was it was a 20 second blurb here and there. he also didn't admit to any of it.

you got mj, chris brown, sh*t even oj (the first time around).

we are more likely to forgive if you give us a hit!

And for a good 6 months alot of stations wouldn't play his music anymore. Ignition came out and there was a slight murmer. Then Step In The Name Of Love came out and everyone collectively realized they couldn't ignore it and just gave in.

The difference is Kellz wasn't 80 years old and had the energy to go on. Cos probably can't pull that kind of rabbit out of his hat.

but Cosby's career is over in terms of new tv shows, movie roles, stand-up comedy shows or speaking engagements.

fuck you.

folks were laughing at that "watch your drink line?"

I f he can possibly play that line out of this terrible situation, he could have a shot. It may not be worth it though so iont know

that venue when he told that joke. and that there had been calls to cancel the show. and i believe at least a few shows had been canceled.

i also know that Cosby will not be able to sit for any interview w/any reputable journalist w/o being asked about these allegations. and if he continues to dodge the questions that is likely to increase the public's bad feelings toward him. yes, he will have his supporters but they seem relatively few in number. his problem going forward is that these allegations will place a cloud over anything else he does. if he wants to deal w/that then i wish him the best. but he's pretty much stuck doing stand-up shows in venues that will have him. i don't see any TV network working w/him - to wit, NBC recently canceled a planned tv show in the wake of these allegations. i don't see him being cast in any movie. he might be able to secure speaking engagements but not the kind he used to get. same w/stand-up gigs. and any appearance he makes will be shrouded w/protestors outside the venues and possibly inside. a circus will follow him everywhere. if he thinks those gigs are worth all of that drama then he should go for it.

fuck you.

im lying

fuck you.

airing it anymore. probably ever.

he completely effed up rudy and thems money.

fuck you.

prolly the best black tv show of all time.

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retreat from public life. he got off easy.

but yeah he did get off easy.

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black people anyway

i thought everybody kinda new he was skeevy

probably why i aint grow up watchin the Cosby show.

you can separate the art from the artist

This has been the scuttlebutt in Philly since I was a kid. I feel bad for all of his victims.

... SHOULD his legacy/career be salvageable? To that I say: God I hope not.

i like and appreciate the past work
but he's one of those figures where as an audience member
you can be careful in how you choose to show support

i wouldn't cancel his shows because the other actors are affected and we don't know the level of their involvement if at all

he can live off his proceed in disgrace and that disgrace will also be apart of his legacy
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years after Cosby dies, maybe people will think of him and remember the good things about him...

i doubt there are many ppl that appreciated his art that forgot the great things that cosby has done.

but yes, i suspect more ppl will remember those things after he dies.

>years after Cosby dies, maybe people will think of him and
>remember the good things about him...

Its not like he's been culturally relevant for the past 20 years; to young kids he's just gonna be a rapist, particularly since they are pulling access to his shows.

>years after Cosby dies, maybe people will think of him and
>remember the good things about him...

most young people just see him as a musical genius & weirdo. they don't really concentrate on the kid touching accusations...

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He ended up turning into a figure of sadness and pity.

There isn't a huge cloud of doubt about Cosby now and he's someone who kinda bleed away his good will over the years even outside of the accusations.

Unless Bill Cosby goes out pulling babies out of a fire, history won't be as kind.

>years after Cosby dies, maybe people will think of him and
>remember the good things about him...

getting enough props for the impact of "The Cosby Show". I figured he wasn't going to get his love until he passed. But now.............

Let my love slide in and never slip out

One really funny viral video could go along way to re-starting his career as an old comic


But the combo of trying to moralize on the black community like he was, with the general unrepentant tone surrounding the accusations; he ain't got the savvy to continue his Hall of Fame career

You could say Cosby was simply playing a role, and his life off camera was totally different, which honestly you could say about any number of celebrities. That said he did seem to take the Cliff Huxtable persona public for years so when the details of his sordid private life came out it makes it much harder to stomach. Still, does that make any of his art less valid?Looked at in a different light, yes. But diminished?

I've got nothing. But to the original post's question, just disappear. If you want to make one statement to apologize, fine. But after that just take your money and go away. Things will be better after the eulogy

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in the sense that over time people will start to praise his comedy again. the praise will be followed by this dark part of his story but he won't be erased from comedy lexicon.

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redemption *IF* he hadn't pissed off the thought leaders with his moralizing and pull-up-your-pants stuff for the last 10 - 15 years. That turned most of them against him a while ago. So when this suddenly ignited last year, they were ready to be done with him anyway.

and I spy.
and his stand-up.

the ppl pissed at him never wanted to throw away his legacy.

only him .

though: http://www.crunkfeministcollective.com/2014/10/23/clair-huxtable-is-dead-on-slaying-the-cosbys-and-making-space-for-liv-analise-and-mary-jane/

I'm saying that if Cosby had always maintained good relations with that set, the overall conversation would be different, now. There would probably be more vocal calls from B/black thought leaders to separate the man from the art. I'm not really seeing much of that now, though, apart from this board, or the knuckledraggers who still insist that this is all a conspiracy to bring him down.

i never know what you mean
when you talk about "The Brigade," because we all have different thoughts on everything, because we are human.


but whatever.

anyway, i, joe corn mo,
seperate art from artists.

i love miles davis, james brown,
marvin gaye, and a host of other great artists that were monsterous ppl.

me and "those types" love that liberal hippie music, I guess.

anyway, if we throw terrible ppl's legacy away... ain't much great art left.

or Marc Lamont Hill, etc. Plus, within that world, I think you're in the minority on this point.

okay, yeah.

but on the ground level i'm not hearing the ppl say they're ready to abandon good memories of The Cosby Show, A Different World, I Spy, Fat Albert, et al. thought-pieces and blog posts notwithstanding, i dunno if the Black gen pop is ready to throw out Cosby's legacy.

fuck you.

>okay, yeah.
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>but on the ground level i'm not hearing the ppl say they're
>ready to abandon good memories of The Cosby Show, A Different
>World, I Spy, Fat Albert, et al. thought-pieces and blog
>posts notwithstanding, i dunno if the Black gen pop is ready
>to throw out Cosby's legacy.

this is where thought pieces weaken the hold

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none of the Black ppl i know in real life have started
disliking the cosby show because of the rapings.

furthermore, ppl will know who bill cosby is because many popular comedians today cite him as an influence and a god.

ppl that are interested in seinfeld will learn about cosby.

ppl interested in chris rock will learn about cosby.

ppl interested in louie ck will learn about cosby.

ppl interested in eddie murphy
will learn about cosby.



in other words, ppl that are in the know will keep his legacy alive.

I know about mobs mabley because
bernie mac name checked her.

cosby will be known for the same reasons.

his legacy is safe.
tastemakers will keep it alive.





>or Marc Lamont Hill, etc. Plus, within that world, I think
>you're in the minority on this point.

http://thegrio.com/2015/02/24/phylicia-rashad-cosby-legacy-bet/

http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/10/24/has-bill-cosby-ruined-legacy-cosby-show

fuck you.

Like if he strangles a hijacker to death and saves a plane for of people.

Otherwise - probably not.

And yes, people are willing to throw away:
The Cosby Show
Fat Albert
I Spy
The Bill Cosby Show
Picture Pages
Uptown Saturday Night/Let's Do IT Again
Himself
Mother, Jugs, Speed
California Suite


I might be able to let Hickey and Boggs stay.