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"James Harrison - All Pro Father (Swipe)"


  

          

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jhharrison92: I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13447657/james-harrison-pittsburgh-steelers-takes-away-kids-participation-trophies-says-awards-earned

Steelers' James Harrison strips kids of non-winning participation trophies

No thanks for playing.

Not everyone gets a trophy in James Harrison's house, as the Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker wrote on Instagram on Saturday. Harrison is taking away his kids' participation trophies because he wants them to "EARN a real trophy."

Explaining his position, Harrison said he's proud of his two sons and will always encourage them. But the "2015 Best of the Batch Next Level Athletics Student-Athlete Awards" are going back.

This ought to get the attention of a few parents out there. Parenting styles aside, Harrison's football background might provide insight into why he feels this way. Harrison was a Kent State walk-on who went undrafted in 2002, played a season in NFL Europe and was cut by the Baltimore Ravens before latching on with the Steelers and becoming a force. That all drove him to "do better."

Harrison can also be a fun dad, as evidenced by this Instagram post from the pool this summer.

When asked while walking off the practice field Sunday whether he's returned the trophies yet, Harrison said, "they've already gone back," then kept walking into a haze of autograph-seekers.

"I appreciate what you're teaching your sons," one fan yelled while he signed.

Harrison, 37, sat the first few weeks of training camp but returned to action Friday night in a 23-21 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, against whom he recorded a strip sack of quarterback Blake Bortles. He's battling Jarvis Jones for a starting spot.

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god blessin all the trap niggas.

  

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This is Hames Jarrison we're talking about.
Aug 16th 2015
1
i dont understand the uproar over participation trophies
Aug 17th 2015
2
Apparently it doesn't teach them to learn from failure
Aug 17th 2015
3
participation trophies do what they're designed to do
Aug 17th 2015
5
it's a clickbaity topic
Aug 17th 2015
4
this dumb ass already sent the trophies back
Aug 17th 2015
6
      you want memories, take pictures
Aug 17th 2015
7
           oooooohhhhh
Aug 17th 2015
8
                you seem upset about this
Aug 17th 2015
9
                     He has a mantle of participation trophies
Aug 17th 2015
10
                     you have following me around
Aug 17th 2015
12
                     you need a ghostwriter bruh.. you slipping
Aug 17th 2015
13
                     lol
Aug 17th 2015
22
                     nigga said he hasnt looked up at them in 20 years...
Aug 17th 2015
42
                          you spend a lot of time fantasizing about me and looking at my photos
Aug 17th 2015
45
                               i bet you got a participation trophy for being in that photo
Aug 17th 2015
53
                                    inbox me I'll send you the shirtless version
Aug 17th 2015
59
                                         Hold up....this nigga was an actual trophy for a dude in that pic
Aug 17th 2015
68
                                              ....what?
Aug 17th 2015
92
                     lol damn
Aug 17th 2015
28
                     HA
Aug 17th 2015
87
                          ^^^list of people who want to take a shot
Aug 17th 2015
91
                               I'm sorry I was unaware that we had beef?
Aug 18th 2015
122
                                    lol
Aug 18th 2015
125
                                    he knows how to handle participation trophy winners
Aug 18th 2015
322
                                    I'm sure that's what it is
Aug 18th 2015
273
                     actually, you're the one who is upset
Aug 17th 2015
11
Bleh, trophies should be for something special. Whats special about
Aug 17th 2015
16
      OH SHIT WE'VE DEVALUED TROPHIES
Aug 17th 2015
20
           #AllTrophiesMatter
Aug 17th 2015
98
pathetic dad didn't birth any winners
Aug 17th 2015
14
Participation trophy???
Aug 17th 2015
15
RE: James Harrison - All Pro Father (Swipe)
Aug 17th 2015
17
Oh hell, Son, I was high that day.
Aug 17th 2015
18
      excellent use of a movie quote.
Aug 17th 2015
21
      GREAT JOB!
Aug 18th 2015
294
Participation trophies are for pacifying losers
Aug 17th 2015
19
I'd like to be the first person ever
Aug 17th 2015
24
      Have you ever gotten a trophy before?
Aug 17th 2015
32
      actually yeah
Aug 17th 2015
36
      ok cool. Welp, to most kids trophies are a cool thing to have
Aug 17th 2015
41
           in my experience
Aug 17th 2015
51
           which is why they should have a shelf life of a couple of years
Aug 17th 2015
56
           everything he wrote screamed participation trophy bruh... barely played
Aug 17th 2015
52
                hell yeah I bill wennington'd my way to a ring
Aug 17th 2015
57
                     proud too...lmao
Aug 17th 2015
69
                          by James Harrison's rules I earned it soooo
Aug 17th 2015
80
      the only trophies I cared about are the ones I got as a kid
Aug 17th 2015
88
      Exactly why I threw that shit out. No one cares, not even me.
Aug 17th 2015
35
for those that are saying they're useless and pointless and stupid,
Aug 17th 2015
23
i really don't see the need to make a huge deal about it
Aug 17th 2015
25
my wife was fired from a teaching gig becauae she didnt give a star
Aug 17th 2015
31
I mean its his kids, I personally do not have an issue with it
Aug 17th 2015
26
my baby graduated
Aug 17th 2015
27
the team photos are the stuff you look back on later
Aug 17th 2015
38
      I LIKE looking at their photos
Aug 18th 2015
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they're perfect for this soccer-watching, drake-listening generation
Aug 17th 2015
29
lol
Aug 17th 2015
33
by a certain age...everyone realizes they are for losers anyway
Aug 17th 2015
30
not everyone bruh...
Aug 17th 2015
34
lotta kids who get 1st place trophies in team sports suck too
Aug 17th 2015
37
lol if my kid older than 5 came home with this
Aug 17th 2015
39
it's definitely important for parents to crush their kids' spirit at an ...
Aug 17th 2015
40
      Wouldn't crush his spirit, I'd take him out of whatever organization he
Aug 17th 2015
44
      sure.
Aug 17th 2015
47
           exactly what i'd do....nice try tho.
Aug 17th 2015
48
                *feels good for having participated*
Aug 17th 2015
50
      it's a cold word
Aug 18th 2015
310
           damn right!
Aug 18th 2015
313
sprinkles are for winners. © flo...
Aug 17th 2015
43
For those that support participation trophies, what age should it stop?
Aug 17th 2015
46
it's not so much about age.
Aug 17th 2015
49
i'd be pissed if one of these f'ers was on my kid's team
Aug 17th 2015
54
      right. you'd be one of THOSE parents:
Aug 17th 2015
55
           i can be displeased about something and not have an extreme reaction
Aug 17th 2015
58
                but the idea that the trophy created those kids
Aug 17th 2015
60
                i mean, i don't think the trophy creates that attitude per se, I just th...
Aug 17th 2015
62
                     One of the Harrison boys is 6.
Aug 17th 2015
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                          Welp that's why i asked about what age should the cut it off?
Aug 18th 2015
160
                               This is a given.
Aug 18th 2015
215
                                    why have to soften the blow at all. Giving them the trophy is a band aid
Aug 18th 2015
250
                                         Are Band Aids bad?
Aug 18th 2015
255
                                              Yes they are bad when you can prevent them from getting cut in the 1st
Aug 18th 2015
258
                                                   I'm out of this post, lol.
Aug 18th 2015
263
                                                        before you bounce, just please explain how giving a trophy is better
Aug 18th 2015
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                that's why God created multiple sports leagues for kids.
Aug 17th 2015
61
                     i'm talking about the 'competitive leagues' now
Aug 17th 2015
63
                          oh okay.
Aug 17th 2015
64
                          Might be the most competetive league in the neighborhood for that age
Aug 17th 2015
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                               right. and the kid will be in that age group forever.
Aug 17th 2015
66
                                    well this comment is what started this whole back and forth
Aug 17th 2015
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                                         *shrugs*
Aug 17th 2015
73
                                              cool, i wouldn't have wasted my time trying to convince you of that
Aug 17th 2015
77
                                                   great.
Aug 17th 2015
78
                          lol
Aug 17th 2015
67
                               yup had a 10 year old pg in a 9-11 league
Aug 17th 2015
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                                    You're acting like the other kids are a nuisance or something.
Aug 18th 2015
126
                                         well it is a nuisance if the kids 'are just happy to be there'
Aug 18th 2015
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                                              ...you mean being kids? LOL
Aug 18th 2015
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                                              so its ok for kids to not pay attention, not try, not follow instruction...
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                   yeah, it can be.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                        nah that's dumb...they don't need to be anywhere getting instruction
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                             'wasting everyone's time' by allowing a kid to play a kids' game.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                                  Its a league for a reason. There's a coach there for a reason. There are
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                                       naw.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                                            yaw
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                                                 solid.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                              it's not like its a game with rules and quantifiable goals or anything
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                   exactly.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                   So what's the end goal for you?
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                        as what...as a ref?
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                             Apologies....
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                                  thanks...i mean i'm getting paid for it though lol
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                   it is...and they're kids playing it.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                        we are talking about the competitive leagues now.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                        i am too.
Aug 18th 2015
254
                                                             if there are elimination playoffs, that implies a level of competetion
Aug 18th 2015
262
                                                                  *shrugs*
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                        you might be getting youth leagues confused with a YMCA style sports cam...
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                             lol exactly why i keep making the distinction between league vs camps
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                             and i keep saying MORE competitive league.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                             i'm not.
Aug 18th 2015
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I'm gonna go with 8
Aug 18th 2015
364
Its for the Moms, I guess
Aug 17th 2015
70
A certificate
Aug 17th 2015
72
they could just have the memories and team photo like we did
Aug 17th 2015
75
lol this is true... Moms still has ALL of mine from back in the day
Aug 17th 2015
83
my aunt asked everyone to come to her sons football game
Aug 17th 2015
74
eh, he still helped his team get there though right??
Aug 17th 2015
79
bruh, we are from Western PA...
Aug 17th 2015
84
I don't think you know how football rosters work
Aug 17th 2015
82
      man, shut yo participation trophy ass up
Aug 17th 2015
85
           oooooohhhhh
Aug 17th 2015
94
           lol
Aug 17th 2015
100
           Lmaoooo
Aug 18th 2015
304
I am entertained (c) Nopayne
Aug 17th 2015
81
rjcc keep ya head up my nigga.
Aug 17th 2015
86
RE: rjcc keep ya head up my nigga
Aug 17th 2015
103
      lol yall goin hard on cuz.
Aug 17th 2015
119
Sprinkles are for winners (c) Flo
Aug 17th 2015
89
That shit cracks me up
Aug 17th 2015
108
Iont think folks know how Harrison beat the odds...
Aug 17th 2015
90
he didn't get that way because he didn't get participation trophies
Aug 17th 2015
93
this seems a bit extreme. i mean, were they too busy?
Aug 18th 2015
139
      bwhahahah nigga was proud too
Aug 18th 2015
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      i'm hella proud of it
Aug 18th 2015
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           Wait.
Aug 18th 2015
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                what?
Aug 18th 2015
253
                     I'm lol with you.
Aug 18th 2015
266
      how is it extreme?
Aug 18th 2015
247
trophies are for winners. not for participants.
Aug 17th 2015
95
coffee is for closers
Aug 17th 2015
96
air conditioning is for honors classes(c) Ms Johnson...lol
Aug 18th 2015
413
I had no idea people cared *this* much about participation trophies.
Aug 17th 2015
97
RE: I had no idea people cared *this* much about participation trophies.
Aug 17th 2015
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the bad news is
Aug 17th 2015
101
      ^^^ this is 100% it, right here.
Aug 17th 2015
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           lol, this is 100% bullshit
Aug 17th 2015
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           Point me to the parts of my reply that are bullshit, with explanations.
Aug 17th 2015
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           RE: ^^^ this is 100% it, right here.
Aug 17th 2015
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                some people have never earned anything in their lives
Aug 17th 2015
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                lol.
Aug 18th 2015
184
                     this is where the "it'll make your kid practice harder" thing falls off
Aug 18th 2015
187
                These are so easily explained.
Aug 17th 2015
118
I can dig it. Same type who were prolly rooting HARD for Delly In the fi...
Aug 17th 2015
102
If Delly was my kid, yes, I would have been very proud.
Aug 17th 2015
106
but Delly was playing in the NBA finals bruh...
Aug 17th 2015
110
Matthew Dellavedova is a professional basketball player
Aug 17th 2015
113
      lmao
Aug 18th 2015
407
the main complaint employers have with new kids fresh out of college
Aug 17th 2015
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which is complete horseshit
Aug 17th 2015
114
      Yep. The hardest working, most motivated people I've worked with . . .
Aug 18th 2015
137
           they know more about how competitive the world is
Aug 18th 2015
153
                lol, yeah... that makes no damn sense.
Aug 18th 2015
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                     actual knowledge of the world we live in?
Aug 18th 2015
285
So like i said above, participation trophies are rewards that should
Aug 18th 2015
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which is mostly not the case
Aug 18th 2015
146
There is no problem with that *choice.* I agree.
Aug 18th 2015
197
      Well i see that point...I've spent this whole post from a viewpoint
Aug 18th 2015
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           And that's all fine.
Aug 18th 2015
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                maybe james harrison knows whats best for his kids?
Aug 18th 2015
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                     i don't see them being a bad idea for any kids.
Aug 18th 2015
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                          Right. Participation trophies aren't "bad" for anyone.
Aug 18th 2015
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                               agreed.
Aug 18th 2015
243
                               i can easily see a kid getting a participation trophy and expecting
Aug 18th 2015
257
                                    So it's not about teaching them tough life lessons anymore?
Aug 18th 2015
265
                                         teach them the same lessons jump. Why are you teaching one thing
Aug 18th 2015
275
                                              my god.
Aug 18th 2015
284
the irony is that you and rjcc are going the hardest in here
Aug 18th 2015
135
      everything you just said, you made up
Aug 18th 2015
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      get better at reading. i'll give you a trophy.
Aug 18th 2015
147
           actually, my skill at comprehension
Aug 18th 2015
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      I read what you're saying, and I disagree with all of it.
Aug 18th 2015
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if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don't win ...
Aug 17th 2015
116
Lol weirdest part is he said that like everyone doesnt know that already
Aug 17th 2015
120
people are acting like james harrison isn't fucking nuts
Aug 18th 2015
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OH MY GAWD
Aug 18th 2015
127
issues/discussions like this make me dislike people
Aug 17th 2015
117
I make it a point to not ever get mad on OKP.
Aug 18th 2015
121
it reminds me why Trump's winning
Aug 18th 2015
123
any post on parenting makes me ask how i spent so much time here
Aug 18th 2015
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Yah this thread is bizarre to me.
Aug 18th 2015
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Life isn't always fair the earlier they learn that the better
Aug 18th 2015
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^^^ all of this
Aug 18th 2015
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Well that's horseshit.
Aug 18th 2015
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lol not at all
Aug 18th 2015
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yup.
Aug 18th 2015
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      the thing about youth sports is that it goes beyond just sports
Aug 18th 2015
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           which doesn't really work
Aug 18th 2015
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           i don't see what 'worked' with the participation trophy but ok.
Aug 18th 2015
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                read what I said
Aug 18th 2015
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                It seems like you have tunnel vision.....
Aug 18th 2015
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           ...but not for all kids who play a sport.
Aug 18th 2015
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                still doesn't have anything to do with being a star in training.
Aug 18th 2015
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                     *shrugs*
Aug 18th 2015
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RE: Well that's horseshit.
Aug 18th 2015
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Basically. "Let's teach a 6-year-old he isn't good enough!"
Aug 18th 2015
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      you know?
Aug 18th 2015
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exactly....
Aug 18th 2015
133
hard to argue with that.
Aug 18th 2015
136
who the hell "loses" a medal at 26 by "not being special"
Aug 18th 2015
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pretty sure he's not talking about sports there.
Aug 18th 2015
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      where the fuck else do you get medals?
Aug 18th 2015
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           well i interpreted it as a 26 year old losing it* bc xyz
Aug 18th 2015
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           Highlight of the Thread!
Aug 18th 2015
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people want to make up for bad parenting and coaching
Aug 18th 2015
143
right, all the 'good reasons' for participation trophies seem to go to b...
Aug 18th 2015
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      yea thought it weird ppl immediately went to this. projections perhaps
Aug 18th 2015
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lol 'The Science of Winning and Losing' lol.
Aug 18th 2015
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Life will teach kids lessons about fairness and relative value.
Aug 18th 2015
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      Great post.
Aug 18th 2015
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I was 36 when I finished my first half-marathon
Aug 18th 2015
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totally different. The goal for most runners is to compete against the
Aug 18th 2015
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and when you went to work the next day you
Aug 18th 2015
150
running 13 miles isn't participating
Aug 18th 2015
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      it's a trophy/medal handed out for an accomplishment other than winning.
Aug 18th 2015
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      nah, you're absolutely right
Aug 18th 2015
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           nah, runs/marathons are a goal-completion thing
Aug 18th 2015
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                nope. It was a competition. The winners got cash money
Aug 18th 2015
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                how may people ran. And how many people had a legit goal of winning?
Aug 18th 2015
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                     maybe the logic you've been using just doesn't hold up
Aug 18th 2015
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                     it holds up perfectly. I know many people that run races regularly.
Aug 18th 2015
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                          so....participation trophies are OK when your friends get them
Aug 18th 2015
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                     ...and there are kids who play youth sports w/o winning as a goal.
Aug 18th 2015
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                          they shouldn't be playing in a league with elimination playoffs/champion...
Aug 18th 2015
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                               nah, they're fine.
Aug 18th 2015
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                So when a six-year-old completes an entire season of a sport...
Aug 18th 2015
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                     6 year olds should be in camps getting instructions not a league with
Aug 18th 2015
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                          And Harrison's 6 year old was in a competitive league.
Aug 18th 2015
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                               and if a 6 year old is in a competitive league they shouldn't be getting
Aug 18th 2015
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                                    Harrison signed his kid up for a league with those trophies, man.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                         he possibly didn't know that happens at the end of the year.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                              Two separate questions.
Aug 18th 2015
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                                                   i've never come across these participation trophy leagues in a league
Aug 18th 2015
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      they give the participation trophies/ribbons/whatever at the END
Aug 18th 2015
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           all i been saying
Aug 18th 2015
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there seems to be a real concern about children feeling special
Aug 18th 2015
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trophies have a specific connotation
Aug 18th 2015
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and that connotation gets you what in life
Aug 18th 2015
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      Their earned trophy means their skill or hard work got them something
Aug 18th 2015
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           unless you can cash it in for money, sex or drugs somehow
Aug 18th 2015
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                jesus christ, kids want to win. A symbol of winning is a trophy.
Aug 18th 2015
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                     dude is a prime example of why participation trophies fuck kids up
Aug 18th 2015
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                     right b/c his life experience ended w/that participation trophy.
Aug 18th 2015
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                     which is a cute thing to say as long as you don't have to back it up
Aug 18th 2015
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                     so you agree -- the trophy doesn't matter at all, no matter who gets it
Aug 18th 2015
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                          do symbols matter? Is your wife's ring (if you are married) matter to he...
Aug 18th 2015
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                               somehow this is different to you
Aug 18th 2015
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                                    well i never said that the trophy is meaningless when its given to you
Aug 18th 2015
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                                         "well i never said that the trophy is meaningless when its given to you"
Aug 18th 2015
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                                              like i said i'm not getting your point
Aug 18th 2015
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We need to teach these 6-year-olds about the hard realities of life, V.
Aug 18th 2015
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A lot of participation trophy haters were in the bottom half of their cl...
Aug 18th 2015
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your analogies are off
Aug 18th 2015
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the goal of youth sports is to keep kids active
Aug 18th 2015
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      exactly, by being your best and by your team doing the best.
Aug 18th 2015
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      have you coached youth sports?
Aug 18th 2015
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           I've never been THE Coach, but i've assisted my brother coaching his
Aug 18th 2015
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                and nobody is saying you have to
Aug 18th 2015
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                     and i have on issue with participation trophies in a non competetive
Aug 18th 2015
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      no the fuck it aint lol.
Aug 18th 2015
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           you ain't got no kids
Aug 18th 2015
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                no but i do coach
Aug 18th 2015
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lmao... that is a horrible analogy
Aug 18th 2015
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      ^^^^ wasn't a competitive student
Aug 18th 2015
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      ^^^^ wasn't good at analogies
Aug 18th 2015
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      yea only valedictorians should get a diploma
Aug 18th 2015
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I didn't realize that so many parents forced their kids to play sports
Aug 18th 2015
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how old are you? because if you're under 35
Aug 18th 2015
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Nah, there were 2nd place trophies, but that was it
Aug 18th 2015
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of all the leagues i've reffed in, I haven't seen participation trophies
Aug 18th 2015
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Were you reffing for kids about to enter first grade?
Aug 18th 2015
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      Before i became certified we had to help out with the 'camp'
Aug 18th 2015
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lol, you were enrolled in those special leagues bruh...
Aug 18th 2015
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      or, it was the regular league
Aug 18th 2015
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parents like that exist.....but those kids usually don't suck
Aug 18th 2015
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and that's great.
Aug 18th 2015
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i do look sideways at Dads with sons who can't catch tho
Aug 18th 2015
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neanderthal shit
Aug 18th 2015
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talking about kids already enrolled in a sport man
Aug 18th 2015
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my son will know how to throw and catch before he knows
Aug 18th 2015
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      what if the kid doesn't learn to catch or throw?
Aug 18th 2015
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           of course it's okay if the kid doesn't want that
Aug 18th 2015
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                basically and most kids like to play with balls and throw and catch them
Aug 18th 2015
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                sure.
Aug 18th 2015
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                sure. but some kids have that self-awareness.
Aug 18th 2015
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why?
Aug 18th 2015
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he's not talking about playing a sport. He's talking about throwing and
Aug 18th 2015
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      i am too.
Aug 18th 2015
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           why can't a man throw or catch?
Aug 18th 2015
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                lack of hand-eye coordination.
Aug 18th 2015
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                     RE: lack of hand-eye coordination.
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                          *shrugs*
Aug 18th 2015
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                               recipes lost
Aug 18th 2015
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                                    *shrugs*
Aug 18th 2015
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that's the fatherly equivalent of losing recipes.
Aug 18th 2015
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      yup.
Aug 18th 2015
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      My step-son throws like a girl.
Aug 18th 2015
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           isn't it sexist to say he throws like a girl?
Aug 18th 2015
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           I'll allow it.
Aug 18th 2015
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           he might need a influx of self confidence from you to get over the hang
Aug 18th 2015
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                He a super sensitive kid.
Aug 18th 2015
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                     at what age did he lose interest in throwing a ball?
Aug 18th 2015
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                          He's not interested in sports.
Aug 18th 2015
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                               I assumed he was interested at one point bc you said it's a sore spot
Aug 18th 2015
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      lol EXACTLY
Aug 18th 2015
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The Loser Trophy...
Aug 18th 2015
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James Harrison is proud of not being proud.
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you can tell which niggas used to strike out in teeball.
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you can tell which niggas are living vicariously through kids.
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you're devaluing their hard earned championship trophies
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played catcher in teeball^^^
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LOL
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just give him 20 more swings
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that shit used to kill me.
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niggas trying to get a base on balls in teeball
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you know what's worse than participation trophies? Those leagues that
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lol post 15
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Alot of childhood issues resurfacing in this post.
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funny...this is covered in HBO's Real Sports current ep
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Everyone in this post that doesnt have kids needs to STFU
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if your kid needs a trophy for participating you failed
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yeah they already said its for validation for kids that don't get it fro...
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Well, anyone can speak on it if they have been through the experience.
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      well, parents are the ones who thought of this bullshit
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           lol, no kid was like...hey, we don't get a trophy for playing?
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           i bet a 5 year old asked where his trophy was a his mom started this shi...
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                sounds like some folks here.
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                     Fuck everyone you love, cenario.
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                          Oh shit...lol
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                          Hahaha...Thank you somebody finally noticed that!
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           Pretty sure it was a woman who thought it up too lol. A team Mom
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Did Brett Easton Ellis start this trend?
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naw he just wrote about it.
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lmao at Generation Wuss
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aint a Varsity letter a participation trophy?
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you see it
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did they change the criteria for lettering?
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You also have to "win" at tryouts to even make varsity
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      i think every team has tryouts except for football
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      Small town schools with 200 students dont cut players
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      you are correct with small schools... but even small schools sit the scr...
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      I did basketball, track and cross-country
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No, its a varsity letter.
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now we going with semantics
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      yeah i think a trophy has a specific connotation. Of winning something.
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           yeah, that's semantics.
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                not really..they are 2 different things.
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                     LOL.
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at most schools, letters are crazy easy to get (depending on the sport)
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so many people give a shit if their kid gets a trophy?
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well i tried to ask at what age should they stop but they said age don't...
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      That stuff is done by 12 years old man
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      ^ how many times did i say this?
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      Participation trophies at 11 and 12?? jeesus.smh
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           like i said, it's done by that age. they don't get them anymore
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      not 'they'...*i* said it.
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           at 15 should they be following instructions or nah bc they are still kid...
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                i don't care if they're not following directions at 15.
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                     at what age is it ok to cut kids from their teams for not following inst...
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                          what kind of team is it?
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                          A YMCA rec league with coaches/refs/standings/playoffs/championships
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                               if your kid plays rec league they're a pussy. They should be elite
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                                    are you being serious or is that snark? lol
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                                         i was being a dummy.
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                          at any age.
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                          if the kids just want to have fun, whats the purpose of eliminating the
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                               fun.
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                                    well you are an adult..i thought we were talking about kids.
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                                         sure. then maybe there should be a kids' league where
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                                              There are leagues/groups like that. I don't think they go up to 18 thoug...
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                                                   right on.
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                          Shit starts getting real in Jr. High
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                               i'm not talking about making a cut based on skill.
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                                    you're being weird man...
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                                         is that being a dick or just being a kid?
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                                              it depends.
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                                                   so if its okay with them to be kicked out, why did you take umbrage with
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                                                        b/c you seemed to want ALL leagues to operate that way.
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                                                             There's absolutely a place for those kids/leagues.
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I want a participation PHD in Chemistry
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My dad was opposite. In 3rd grade, I had only been playing B-Ball for
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and you hate your dad to this day, right?
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Mainly because he bought me Arch Rivals for NES and not a Genesis
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      sounds like a monster
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and look how terrible your life turned out
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LOL
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Along with a photoshopped picture slideshow of me touching net at 8
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lol im fuckin dyin.
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THAT'S WHY YOU AINT IN THE NBA!
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I'm not sayin anything noteworthy, but gimmie props for being here!! :D
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done
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LMAO ..
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Reply 1......
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ol' red foreman ass
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400 goddamn replies..like to apologize for my part in this shitshow
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This post is exhausting
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lol at this post..dudes who barely made the JV team in HS talk the most
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Why not just say my name lol
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no need, hit dogs will holler.
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my name is etched in SYB history YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY GURU
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so much BS posturing over an "issue" that doesn't matter
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Agreed.
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If it "doesn't matter even a little bit" then why give them out at all?
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lmao. this shit went full washcloth status on here.
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Kira
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1. "This is Hames Jarrison we're talking about."
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I'd be shocked if Peyton, Tom, Eli, or Cam did this.

However, we talking about Hames Jarrison.

  

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2. "i dont understand the uproar over participation trophies"
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kids who play team sports have been getting participation trophies forever. Since I was a kid. Since my dad was a kid. Shit probably before that. You pay your league fees. Your kid goes out there and plays with the team. At the end of the season they get a pizza party and a trophy. This shit aint new.

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3. "Apparently it doesn't teach them to learn from failure"
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Or it coddles them by gassing up their egos with undeserved accolades.

*wanking motion*

In all my years of youth sports I've never seen or heard of a kid who was terrible or mediocre think they actually did well because they got a participation trophy. Ever.

Hell, most of us hated them. Unlike a championship trophy, getting the same damn thing everyone else got went a long way to make sure it felt anything but special.

  

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5. "participation trophies do what they're designed to do"
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give parents something they can hold on to so they'll bring their marginally athletic kid back next season, instead of putting them in band, or pottery camp or whatever the fuck they might do otherwise.

I was a pretty good youth soccer player, but I never brought people and showed off my trophies. my mom hung on to em though, shit they're still on the mantle afaik, I just haven't looked up there in 20 years

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4. "it's a clickbaity topic"
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everybody sees it and has an opinion.

irl, it matters zero. participation trophy, no participation trophy.

ZOMG THIS LEAGUE ISN'T KEEPING SCORRRREEEEEE


yo, have you ever needed to look at the scoreboard to know which kids in your son's leagues were good?

no, it's pretty fucking obvious, and the kids know too.


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6. "this dumb ass already sent the trophies back"
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like who the fuck does some shit like that to their kids though? We dont want our kids to be proud of something or have fun. Dont want them to be soft. Fuck your trophy son. Fuck the memories associated with that trophy. You just participated you didnt earn it. Well I guess if it was possible to teach them to work hard and earn everything and keep the trophy he would have done that.

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7. "you want memories, take pictures"
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trophies are for winners, champ. i'm totally on board with this.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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8. "oooooohhhhh"
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you have a slooogaaaaann

congratulations bro, for jumping bravely in the way of trophies that may have otherwise ended up in the hands of kids who didn't earn them.

omg, otherwise, what would have happened? they'd have gone home with some cheap item they didn't care about.

you are truly a hero and a god among men. we should give you a trophy for participating.


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9. "you seem upset about this"
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tell us who hurt you.

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10. "He has a mantle of participation trophies"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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12. "you have following me around"
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smooches boo!

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13. "you need a ghostwriter bruh.. you slipping"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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22. "lol"
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/marriage-relationships-proposal-engagement-engaged-romances-romantics-rman14990_low.jpg

  

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42. "nigga said he hasnt looked up at them in 20 years... "
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prolly got a 20th place spelling bee trophy with his name misspelled on it.

hall pass monitor runner up trophy having ass nigga...

ole 5th place in track... standing behind the podium for his ribbon ass nigga.

ole hot glue gun electric football player from the 70's home made trophy ass nigga

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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45. "you spend a lot of time fantasizing about me and looking at my photos"
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let's just be 100 about what this is

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53. "i bet you got a participation trophy for being in that photo"
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ole paper weight trophy having ass nigga

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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59. "inbox me I'll send you the shirtless version"
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68. "Hold up....this nigga was an actual trophy for a dude in that pic"
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c'mon bruh....not like this.

nigga was literally a participation trophy boo back in the day. smh

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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92. "....what?"
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28. "lol damn"
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87. "HA"
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91. "^^^list of people who want to take a shot"
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122. "I'm sorry I was unaware that we had beef?"
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Damn lol. I thought the shit was funny. I'll laugh at one of your jokes next time too so you won't take it personal. Cool?

  

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125. "lol"
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This is possibly the greatest tactical display of diplomacy that the internet has eveer seen.

  

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322. "he knows how to handle participation trophy winners"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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273. "I'm sure that's what it is"
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11. "actually, you're the one who is upset"
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16. "Bleh, trophies should be for something special. Whats special about"
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getting a trophy that everyone else in the league got?

If they are like 5 and under sure, give em a medal or something.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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20. "OH SHIT WE'VE DEVALUED TROPHIES"
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...even though trophies are already meaningless

your 7th grade lacrosse championship is not impressing anyone anywhere

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98. "#AllTrophiesMatter"
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11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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14. "pathetic dad didn't birth any winners "
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The participation trophy is basically a totem for loser dad to reflect and accept his inferior genes



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15. "Participation trophy???"
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lol no.

That's almost as silly as a league where they dont' keep score.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "RE: James Harrison - All Pro Father (Swipe)"
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i think it depends on the age over 9 and participation trophies are kind of ridiculous

you're either first or last

dude

  

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18. "Oh hell, Son, I was high that day."
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>you're either first or last

That doesn't make any sense at all. You can be second, third, fourth... Hell, you can even be fifth. (c) Reese Bobby.

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21. "excellent use of a movie quote."
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294. "GREAT JOB!"
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"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

  

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19. "Participation trophies are for pacifying losers"
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Real talk, I actually threw out all of my trophies at home as a kid, but the first ones to go were ones that were not "first place" or "champion."

We live during a time of mad sensitive sissies tho, so I'm sure many get upset about shit like this.

  

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24. "I'd like to be the first person ever"
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to ask to see your first place trophies

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32. "Have you ever gotten a trophy before?"
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Like something for a youth rec league is cool for a while, maybe 2-3 years and then its not.

But they are pretty dope to have as a kid. Especially if your friends were on the losing team and they frequent your crib.

But yeah, trophies are kind of dope..not sure why you are dissing them.

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36. "actually yeah"
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I took home a bunch of championships when I was a kid

I think they're bigger than the participation trophies, but I'm pretty much just guessing because I have never, ever looked at them.

That 4th grade floor hockey league win was pretty much expired after it was over. No one has ever asked me to recount the amazing exploits of my youth basketball team that won the championship. (I barely played, we had a kid that was held back twice and dunked on everybody)

I got first place ribbons, medals etc. My mom probably knows where they are, I didn't care then and I don't now.

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41. "ok cool. Welp, to most kids trophies are a cool thing to have"
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My older family definitely asked me about certain trophies i've had. I've walked into kids rooms and been impressed with the trophies they've had.

Its a cool thing to have/be proud of and shows that you were the best at something.

Again, they have a shelf life of a couple of years though, depending on the level of accomplishment.

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51. "in my experience"
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there are a lot of kids w/ these walls full of championship trophies....that pretty quickly fell off.

you walk in the house and they're like sonso has these trophies, and he's playing in this league, but then you look at the pictures.

he was four inches taller than those other kids a couple years ago, but now he's the shortest one and he's just kinda "on" that travel team, not a star, but the family is still like "ok, so maybe he can get a scholarship / play D1 / go prooooo" when the talent is like...rec league

but at least they "earned" those trophies

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56. "which is why they should have a shelf life of a couple of years"
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just like anything else at that age. What's cool to you at 8 probably isn't at 11. Same thing from 11 to 14 and so on.

So a teenager either got new trophies to replace those <11 trophies or he sucks now so those old trophies are wack.

I've never seen what you described personally, but i'm sure it exists. But i don't think most kids are hanging on to old trophies like that

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52. "everything he wrote screamed participation trophy bruh... barely played"
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ringer on the team stealing his minutes...

that Negro and smelled no parts of crunch time.

He was that player who sat between the coaches.

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57. "hell yeah I bill wennington'd my way to a ring"
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it made it no more or less meaningless

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69. "proud too...lmao"
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80. "by James Harrison's rules I earned it soooo"
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88. "the only trophies I cared about are the ones I got as a kid"
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>Like something for a youth rec league is cool for a while,
>maybe 2-3 years and then its not.

I enjoyed going to pizza parties and getting a trophy at the end of the year. It was fun.

>But yeah, trophies are kind of dope..not sure why you are
>dissing them.

exactly trophies are pretty dope. Especially to a little kid. Let them have that shit and enjoy the moment. Some kids will keep playing and they will realize that a 1st place trophy is better than a participation trophy. But some kids might never play again. Let them have a reminder of the 1 season they played.

I probably have 2 or 3 boxes of trophies at my moms house. The ones I got as a kid were a big deal to me. As I got older the trophies meant less and less. As I got older and played on better teams and started "earning" trophies I could give two shits about them. Yay we won a tournament. Here mom hold this I want to hang out with my team. Oh wow MVP! Here mom hold this. I dont think I ever gave a 2nd thought to those. But had my mom made me give back those trophies I got as a 7 year old I would have been PISSED!

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35. "Exactly why I threw that shit out. No one cares, not even me."
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The journey (actually playing) was more important.

  

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23. "for those that are saying they're useless and pointless and stupid,"
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i see both sides of this, btw, and certainly think we as a society have awards and ceremonies and commencements etc. for things that are ultimately pointless.

BUT

participation trophies, if nothing else, show that the kid stuck with something and saw it til the end. whether that be the end of the season or whatever. it positively reinforces sticking to something, not quitting and finishing what you committed (or your parent commited you) to. so, for that reason alone, i don't really have a problem with it. too many kids give up and quit. those that don't get recognized for not quitting and sticking with it til the end.

  

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25. "i really don't see the need to make a huge deal about it"
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yea they're kinda pointless, so what?

it's always ridiculous to me whenever people point to participation trophies as evidence of "the downfall of america"

  

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31. "my wife was fired from a teaching gig becauae she didnt give a star "
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to a kid who acted up in class.

the kid was fine but the parent went on yelp and acted a fool all because her kid didnt get a gold star for that day


I don't think participation trophies help kids... and neither does changing red ink to purple when grading test.

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26. "I mean its his kids, I personally do not have an issue with it"
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27. "my baby graduated"
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from preschool!! You comin to the ceremony

HELL NAW

That's not an achievement. I get what he's saying. I got two milk crates of them participation trophies in the garage. My wife jus wont let it go. The kids don't want em. When they move out, I'm dropping them shit off at they house.

Pictures are better memories IMO.

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38. "the team photos are the stuff you look back on later"
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398. "I LIKE looking at their photos"
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they're on a bookcase at the top of the stairs. I DONT like her refusal to throw ANYTHING away, or make these dudes put them trophies in their room. Every time I go in the garage I gotta step over them shits; half of 'em broke and ALL of them got spiders.

blah. I'm bitter.

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29. "they're perfect for this soccer-watching, drake-listening generation"
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33. "lol"
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30. "by a certain age...everyone realizes they are for losers anyway"
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it's not that deep either way
he said he supports and encourages his kids regardless of outcome so meh

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34. "not everyone bruh..."
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someone is mad as shit about his Wall of Lame.

"That may be fine and dandy BUT all I see is participation trophies on the wall"

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37. "lotta kids who get 1st place trophies in team sports suck too"
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they were just lucky enough to be on a team with other kids better than them.

this isn't as big a deal as people want to pretend it is.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with giving a kid a participation award for playing a sport for, as mentioned above, seeing it through and not quitting, even (maybe even especially) if they're not every good at it.

  

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39. "lol if my kid older than 5 came home with this"
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XAFn1xYGm24/UxDZ80xYhEI/AAAAAAAAEn0/U3xJvc-lX6Q/s1600/trophy-300x271.jpg

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40. "it's definitely important for parents to crush their kids' spirit at an ..."
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fuck you.

  

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44. "Wouldn't crush his spirit, I'd take him out of whatever organization he "
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was in and put him in another one, while helping him to be better at the sport (if that's what he wanted)

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47. "sure."
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fuck you.

  

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48. "exactly what i'd do....nice try tho."
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50. "*feels good for having participated*"
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*wasn't involved in a competition here*

*shrugs*

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310. "it's a cold word"
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if anybody gon' crush my kids dreams it's gon be ME!!

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313. "damn right!"
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ruin your relationship w/your kid and destroy their self-esteem as early as possible. that way they become tough and end up in jail and eventually prison. b/c life is hard.

that's good stuff.

fuck you.

  

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43. "sprinkles are for winners. © flo..."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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46. "For those that support participation trophies, what age should it stop?"
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if ever>?

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49. "it's not so much about age."
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kids who have that competitive drive about sports or the sport at issue will see the trophies for what they are and may want something more. the kids who don't have that drive are just fine being congratulated for having participated. in either case the kid at issue has something positive on which they can build. which is why i have no problem w/the trophies.

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54. "i'd be pissed if one of these f'ers was on my kid's team"
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>the kids who don't have that drive are just fine being congratulated for having participated.

which is why age is a factor to me. At a certain age, that's unacceptable in team's sports.

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55. "right. you'd be one of THOSE parents:"
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so what you're saying makes sense.

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58. "i can be displeased about something and not have an extreme reaction"
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which you seem to keep bringing up lol.

I ref youth leagues and those 'participation type kids' get yelled at by their teammates and by the coaches and wind up riding the bench. Half the time they don't even care bc they got a team shirt and the parents get to take pictures lol. Even we as the refs get annoyed bc they are just standing there not paying attention when you are trying to give them instructions lol

Don't seem fair to me that you got kids busting their butt, playing hard, but getting pulled back by the kid that's just happpy to be there.

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60. "but the idea that the trophy created those kids"
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or would affect them at all

just doesn't make sense.

their problem is their parents are making them do something they don't want to do.

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62. "i mean, i don't think the trophy creates that attitude per se, I just th..."
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its a silly concept in a 'competitive league'.

I guess if you want to reward a kid for sticking with something(they otherwise may not want to) that reward should come from the parent, not the league.


And by 'competitive league', I just mean a league where there is a structured regular season, playoffs, championships' setting as opposed to a more teaching/instructional setting.


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111. "One of the Harrison boys is 6."
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You *really* think this league is all competition and not for education/instruction of the game?

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
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160. "Welp that's why i asked about what age should the cut it off?"
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Mine was 5. I could see it for 6 and 7 year olds.

My point is just make it what it is. If its a league, make it a league. If its an instructional camp, make it a camp.

Obviously, in youth leagues there's a high level of instruction/teaching going on..but the goals should be clear. If you are going through the motions of a playoffs, where the losing team gets eliminated then why are we messing around participation trophies.

being told your team loss and can't play next week is more devastating to a fragile kid then going home without a participation trophy imo

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215. "This is a given."
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>being told your team loss and can't play next week is more
>devastating to a fragile kid then going home without a
>participation trophy imo

But I can also imagine, for some, the act of getting a trophy softens that blow. And I see nothing wrong with that at all.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
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250. "why have to soften the blow at all. Giving them the trophy is a band aid"
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to the problem then.

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255. "Are Band Aids bad?"
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I'm of the controversial opinion that, if one experiences a cut or wound of some sort, a Band Aid can be a good thing.

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258. "Yes they are bad when you can prevent them from getting cut in the 1st"
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place.

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263. "I'm out of this post, lol."
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There's nothing wrong with getting cut either. Life sometimes gives you a cut. And a Band Aid isn't a bad thing. You can still learn from a cut *and* get a Band Aid. That Band Aid can be helpful.

But I've spent too much time in this post already. We fundamentally disagree. That's fine.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
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12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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270. "before you bounce, just please explain how giving a trophy is better"
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than letting the kids keep playing for the duration of the season?

How does telling them 'you can't play anymore bc you lost' coincide with making them feel good by giving them a trophy when you already admitted that eliminating them is more detrimental?

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61. "that's why God created multiple sports leagues for kids."
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>Don't seem fair to me that you got kids busting their butt,
>playing hard, but getting pulled back by the kid that's just
>happpy to be there.

when those kids (and/or their parents) get enough of this action ^ then they move on to another more competitive league.

i saw this happen as an adult back when i played flag football - my team was pretty good and after having appeared in the recreational division championship game 3 yrs in a row (tough losses, those) we were invited to move up to the intermediate division. half of us didn't wanna do it b/c the intermediate level games were more intense and more competitive and we weren't there for all of that rah-rah. so the team split up.

same thing w/kids. the ones who really want competition can move to some other league.

fuck you.

  

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63. "i'm talking about the 'competitive leagues' now"
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You've got maybe 20% of the kids who are really skilled for their age.
60% who have some basic skills, are giving 100%, and serve a useful purpose on the team
And another 20% who are there for their shirt, with their dad recording everything from the time they left their house.

That's the hood leagues at least.


The leagues in the nicer neighborhoods, the breakdown is more like 1%/24%/75%

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64. "oh okay."
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that doesn't change my mind about anything.

keywords: 'another MORE competitive...'

fuck you.

  

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65. "Might be the most competetive league in the neighborhood for that age"
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group.

I guess my solution would be for the parents/kids who aren't in it to take a step back, since they are the minority. (in the situation i'm referring to)

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66. "right. and the kid will be in that age group forever."
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so this is really deep.

fuck you.

  

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71. "well this comment is what started this whole back and forth"
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>i'd be pissed if one of these f'ers was on my kid's team"

>the kids who don't have that drive are just fine being congratulated for having participated.

which is why age is a factor to me. At a certain age, that's unacceptable in team's sports.




So obviously i'm talking about this point in time..not for life. lol
The participation kid is gonna prolly quit first chance he gets anyway

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73. "*shrugs*"
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nothing you've said has convinced me that there's anything wrong w/kids receiving participation awards.

fuck you.

  

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77. "cool, i wouldn't have wasted my time trying to convince you of that"
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this ain't my first time posting here lol

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78. "great."
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fuck you.

  

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67. "lol"
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>The leagues in the nicer neighborhoods, the breakdown is more
>like 1%/24%/75%

in youth sports, good kids usually play in highly competitive AAU or travel teams...AND play in local leagues simultaneously
some kids play in their age group and the age group above if they are that good
so it's not always as simple as just going to a more competitive league
at that level/age it's all about getting in as many hours as possible in order to get better (if the kid is gifted)

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76. "yup had a 10 year old pg in a 9-11 league"
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that clearly was the best player in the league. Busted a teammates nose throwing a behind the back pass to one of these 'participation kids' smh.


But dude was like chris paul out there. He was always making the 'right' play. Coach was like that f' that, shooot. lol

But you are right, dude was playing in like 4 different leagues in the summer and 2 of them was in the age group above his.

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126. "You're acting like the other kids are a nuisance or something."
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Maybe it'd be best if all the other kids just quit and we watch this superstar run drills so that the participation kids don't get in his way.

I think this comes down to what you think the sociological function of this kiddie league is. It sounds like you see it as a breeding ground for future pro athletes. Others see it more like a chance for kids to have fun playing sports.

  

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164. "well it is a nuisance if the kids 'are just happy to be there'"
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and not paying attention, following instructions, trying, etc...

i explained all of that above.

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202. "...you mean being kids? LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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206. "so its ok for kids to not pay attention, not try, not follow instruction..."
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lololol no wonder our kids suck at school smh.

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226. "yeah, it can be."
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b/c they're kids.

playing kids' games.

they can learn the importance of paying attention and following instructions in some other context. it's not like youth sports is the only instruction they get. they can learn life lessons somewhere else - sometimes in some leagues the kids (at least some of them) are just there for the fun of playing a game and there's nothing wrong w/that IMO.

fuck you.

  

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237. "nah that's dumb...they don't need to be anywhere getting instruction"
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if they aren't going to listen and pay attention. Just take your kid to the park and let him do his own thing. Don't bring him to another adult to have him 'coach' the kid and it be okay for the kid not to listen lol. You are wasting everyone's time.

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239. "'wasting everyone's time' by allowing a kid to play a kids' game."
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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246. "Its a league for a reason. There's a coach there for a reason. There are"
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refs there for a reason.

If you want your kid to just 'play a game' take him to a park or put him in a league where there aren't winners and losers, or playoffs or a championship. He doesn't have to listen to anyone. He doesn't even have to follow any rules. No one will blow the whistle if he takes 16 steps and only dribbles once.

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249. "naw."
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it's fine.

again - this is why God created more than one youth sports league. some are more competitive than others.

if i want my kid exposed to higher level competition at her given age then i will find such a league. i'd likely confirm that the league DOESN'T issue participation trophies. i wouldn't sign my kid up for league that offers those trophies if i don't want my kid exposed to that 'you're all winners!' mentality.

if i can't afford such a league but my kid really wants to play then i'd do what i can to keep her competitive spirit alive until she's older when i expect to have an easier time finding a more competitive league for her.

fuck you.

  

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251. "yaw"
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256. "solid."
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fuck you.

  

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209. "it's not like its a game with rules and quantifiable goals or anything"
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if you want your kid to just *do something* go play catch with him or take him to the park to play with other kids

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211. "exactly. "
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233. "So what's the end goal for you?"
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Let's assume that there's not a single kid who you work with that even sniffs doing this shit professionally. Does that mean it's all a waste of time? If we could look into the future and see that none of your kids will ever play pro.....What are you looking to achieve or accomplish with them?

  

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248. "as what...as a ref?"
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I don't expect any of the kids i've been involved with to make it professionally. If we are talking 9-11 year olds i wouldn't even project them to high school.


My end goal is to just do my part in hosting/promoting a fair league where everyone had fun and the winner was decided in a fair fashion.

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261. "Apologies...."
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I thought you were a coach. But even as a ref. You're investing in this experience for these kids. Which is cool btw. Props due.

  

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264. "thanks...i mean i'm getting paid for it though lol"
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and i had to put in this time so i can advance to higher levels...so it ain't charity lol.

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227. "it is...and they're kids playing it."
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the parents and kids who want more competitive sporting have leagues for that. or if they don't they should.

fuck you.

  

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244. "we are talking about the competitive leagues now."
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There are parks for kids that don't want to play in competitive leagues.

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254. "i am too."
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which is why i keep saying "MORE competitive" league.

b/c i understand that not all competitive leagues are created equal.

i gave an example yesterday of having played in such a league as an adult - there were different levels of competition though each level had organized playoffs and championships. i wanted to play at the recreational level where we were more concerned w/enjoying ourselves than with winning. i wasn't down to practice 2 or 3 times per week and learn too many organized plays and all that jazz. hell, i barely wanted to buy cleats! lol. i was in it to get some exercise, make some friends and drink some beer. well, lots of beer, actually. and that's what i got. when it was time for the team to move to a division w/more competition i wasn't interested and so i quit.

same w/kids. there's more than one league. and if the kid can only play in one league in a given year then maybe the next year s/he can play in a MORE competitive league. by the time the kid gets to high school there's probably school leagues - where it's all about competition and all that stuff.

fuck you.

  

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262. "if there are elimination playoffs, that implies a level of competetion"
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that rewards winners and 'punishes' losers by not allowing them to advance. The level of competition doesnt need to reward the losers with trophies. Just like the losers aren't rewarded by being allowed to continue playing. You lost, go home. That's a very competitive league. Why are we giving these kids trophies but not allowing them to play in the league any more. Sounds like a mixed message to me.

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280. "*shrugs*"
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and i'm fine w/that 'mixed' message.

fuck you.

  

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260. "you might be getting youth leagues confused with a YMCA style sports cam..."
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or something
a league is competitive by nature
unless we are talking about some teeball level thing where they don't even keep score and parents are cheering while kids are running the wrong way

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267. "lol exactly why i keep making the distinction between league vs camps"
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if you have elimination playoffs you are in a competitive league. The whole premise is the only way you can keep playing is if you win.

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282. "and i keep saying MORE competitive league."
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i understand we're talking about competitive leagues here.

fuck you.

  

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281. "i'm not."
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which is why i keep saying kids who want more competition can play in a "MORE" competitive.

fuck you.

  

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364. "I'm gonna go with 8"
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tho there's a +/- of a year or two, depending on the kid.

  

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70. "Its for the Moms, I guess"
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You aren't fooling the kids they know who won or lost and nobody ever showed off their participation trophy . They should come up with siome other participation prizes( like a t shirt )

I mean both sides probably blow it out of proportion tho

dude

  

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72. "A certificate"
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Mom can put it in the photo album that only her and RJCC look at.


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75. "they could just have the memories and team photo like we did"
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when we didn't win a championship

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83. "lol this is true... Moms still has ALL of mine from back in the day"
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74. "my aunt asked everyone to come to her sons football game"
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they were ranked nationally in VA so they were playing in Ohio States stadium vs a top ranked HS.

my sister was HEATED after the game. She told me he didn't play and she knew all along he wasn't going to play because he missed practice due to church choir practice.

Nigga still got his ring and wears that Shit like he did something tho...lol

He got to college on a football scholarship and quit first semester cause he ain't give a shit about football.

nigga stole someone's spot tho... kinda fucked up when I think about it.

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79. "eh, he still helped his team get there though right??"
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i feel you on the scholly though.

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84. "bruh, we are from Western PA... "
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the women in our family were like "he doesn't want it, he is just happy to be on the team"

but yeah, I guess he helped in practice

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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82. "I don't think you know how football rosters work"
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85. "man, shut yo participation trophy ass up"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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94. "oooooohhhhh"
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I played sports in the late 80s and 90s

you have shown me!

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100. "lol"
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304. "Lmaoooo"
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81. "I am entertained (c) Nopayne"
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86. "rjcc keep ya head up my nigga."
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god blessin all the trap niggas.

  

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103. "RE: rjcc keep ya head up my nigga"
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^^^ same thing the ball boy said to rjcc after the championship game

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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119. "lol yall goin hard on cuz."
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god blessin all the trap niggas.

  

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89. "Sprinkles are for winners (c) Flo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAw2TXsgBbY

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108. "That shit cracks me up"
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<---
Fuck a sig, my presence is enough.

  

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90. "Iont think folks know how Harrison beat the odds..."
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He was undersized & went undrafted, worked hard & had one hell of a career and tryna
inculcate that same mindset in his kids. I give him props for him teaching them at a young age that nothing is promised & you gotta go above and beyond to get what you want.

Shit, my parents ain't come to any of our high school graduations cuz that's what was expected of us but, we partied like a mutha when we got our college degrees!

  

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93. "he didn't get that way because he didn't get participation trophies"
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and taking them from his kids, has taught them zero about how their old man made it in the league

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139. "this seems a bit extreme. i mean, were they too busy?"
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>Shit, my parents ain't come to any of our high school
>graduations cuz that's what was expected of us

it's still a milestone moment whether it was expected or not. not slamming your parents, but if they missed that did they come to anything you did to support?

  

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204. "bwhahahah nigga was proud too"
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>
>>Shit, my parents ain't come to any of our high school
>>graduations cuz that's what was expected of us
>

nobody gave a fuck about his first step or first words or anything, lol

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241. "i'm hella proud of it"
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i don't consider my high school graduation as a milestone in my life

  

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252. "Wait."
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Thats' hella confusing.

I thought your point was that you shouldn't be proud to finish high school because it should be an expectation? But now you're saying you're proud that you weren't proud?

  

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253. "what?"
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266. "I'm lol with you."
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You're saying that you're proud of the fact that graduating high school was not a milestone in your life right? Another way of saying that is that you're proud of not being proud. Come to think of it....that's kinda what James Harrison is saying too.

  

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247. "how is it extreme?"
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a high school degree in my household was something that was expected, we celebrated when we all got our degrees.

  

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95. "trophies are for winners. not for participants."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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96. "coffee is for closers"
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413. "air conditioning is for honors classes(c) Ms Johnson...lol"
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97. "I had no idea people cared *this* much about participation trophies."
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Maybe it makes some of them feel better. Is that so awful?

"THEY NEED TO LEARN HOW LIFE IS THOUGH, FRANK!" Yeah, that's what fucking life is for. This is rec league for kids. If you're pissed your kid got a participation trophy, maybe, you know, crack open a beer, sit on your stoop, and do some deep thinking about your anger issues.

Some kids *need* participation trophies. They need validation, one way or another. For some kids, hearing "good job, good effort!" isn't a mocking chant, it's something they genuinely *need* to hear.

There's a great sports documentary called Murderball. In it, one of the coaches belittles his kid for caring about his participation trophies. The kid lives for validation from his father and he absolutely can't get it, because he's not an athlete. Later, his dad realizes he was being an asshole and learns that, for his particular kid, "tough love" is not the way to go. It's a lovely thing to witness.

I hope some of the dads who rant and rave about the horrors of participation trophies for kids take a step back and try to observe in an impartial manner whether they have the type of kid who benefits from tough love or the type of kid who just may need the validation a participation trophy can provide.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
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99. "RE: I had no idea people cared *this* much about participation trophies."
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>Maybe it makes some of them feel better. Is that so awful?
>
>"THEY NEED TO LEARN HOW LIFE IS THOUGH, FRANK!" Yeah, that's
>what fucking life is for. This is rec league for kids. If
>you're pissed your kid got a participation trophy, maybe, you
>know, crack open a beer, sit on your stoop, and do some deep
>thinking about your anger issues.
>
>Some kids *need* participation trophies. They need validation,
>one way or another. For some kids, hearing "good job, good
>effort!" isn't a mocking chant, it's something they genuinely
>*need* to hear.
>
>There's a great sports documentary called Murderball. In it,
>one of the coaches belittles his kid for caring about his
>participation trophies. The kid lives for validation from his
>father and he absolutely can't get it, because he's not an
>athlete. Later, his dad realizes he was being an asshole and
>learns that, for his particular kid, "tough love" is not the
>way to go. It's a lovely thing to witness.
>
>I hope some of the dads who rant and rave about the horrors of
>participation trophies for kids take a step back and try to
>observe in an impartial manner whether they have the type of
>kid who benefits from tough love or the type of kid who just
>may need the validation a participation trophy can provide.



I'm not sure any kid "needs" a participation trophy. They need love, support and validation from their parents. They need to learn what's important is how you play the game and to have fun. They need to learn sometimes you win in life and sometimes you lose and how to be gracious in both. They can get all these things with or without a participation trophy.

dude

  

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101. "the bad news is"
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> They need love, support and validation from their parents.

not everybody is getting that at home

so for the kid that ain't, and his team came in 2nd cuz his asshole teammate couldn't make a play because he's a child and not very good at sports


I'm not knocking the trophy out of that kid's hands because of some idea I have of what it should mean to him later, and then telling everyone what great deeds I'm doing for the youth of america



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104. "^^^ this is 100% it, right here."
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>I'm not knocking the trophy out of that kid's hands because of
>some idea I have of what it should mean to him later, and then
>telling everyone what great deeds I'm doing for the youth of
>america

We don't know what a trophy means to a particular kid. It means different things to different kids. No one can just sweepingly say "THESE ARE GREAT!" or "THESE ARE AWFUL!" because, weirdly, and this might be shocking to some in this post, but not all kids are the same.

So just let them exist, the ones who don't need a participation trophy will probably just toss that shit out, and the ones who do need it will proudly put it on the shelf.

I'm surprised #HotTakes are required for something as innocuous as participation trophies.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
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107. "lol, this is 100% bullshit"
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109. "Point me to the parts of my reply that are bullshit, with explanations."
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I'd be interested to see which details I, as someone who has worked with kids my whole life as both a teacher and a rec league coach, have gotten wrong to the point of them being 100% bullshit.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
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112. "RE: ^^^ this is 100% it, right here."
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>
>>I'm not knocking the trophy out of that kid's hands because
>of
>>some idea I have of what it should mean to him later, and
>then
>>telling everyone what great deeds I'm doing for the youth of
>>america
>
>We don't know what a trophy means to a particular kid. It
>means different things to different kids. No one can just
>sweepingly say "THESE ARE GREAT!" or "THESE ARE AWFUL!"
>because, weirdly, and this might be shocking to some in this
>post, but not all kids are the same.

not all kids are the same so why give all kids trophies? This is part of the reason some people hate participation trophies.
>
>So just let them exist, the ones who don't need a
>participation trophy will probably just toss that shit out,
>and the ones who do need it will proudly put it on the shelf.


no one NEEDS a participation trophy.

>I'm surprised #HotTakes are required for something as
>innocuous as participation trophies.

i have no idea what that means

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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115. "some people have never earned anything in their lives"
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so they're offended at the possibility someone else is getting the prize they've been denied without "earning" it

let's call that "earned" trophy what it is: "you're slightly taller and faster than other kids your age, this has little to no impact on your long term outlook for life. Congratulations"


but the problem is participation trophies

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184. "lol."
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If you think about it....the biggest factor in the distribution of those earned trophies is who starts puberty first.

  

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187. "this is where the "it'll make your kid practice harder" thing falls off"
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most kids aren't like, yup, gotta start my year round training program.

they just chalk that shit up and don't come back next year, now you have no league

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118. "These are so easily explained."
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>>
>>>I'm not knocking the trophy out of that kid's hands because
>>of
>>>some idea I have of what it should mean to him later, and
>>then
>>>telling everyone what great deeds I'm doing for the youth
>of
>>>america
>>
>>We don't know what a trophy means to a particular kid. It
>>means different things to different kids. No one can just
>>sweepingly say "THESE ARE GREAT!" or "THESE ARE AWFUL!"
>>because, weirdly, and this might be shocking to some in this
>>post, but not all kids are the same.
>
>not all kids are the same so why give all kids trophies? This
>is part of the reason some people hate participation trophies.

Because the kids who don't need them can toss them out easily, and the kids who do are immensely grateful.

>>So just let them exist, the ones who don't need a
>>participation trophy will probably just toss that shit out,
>>and the ones who do need it will proudly put it on the
>shelf.
>
>
>no one NEEDS a participation trophy.

This is wrong. I say this as someone who's worked with kids battling depression, autism, Downs, kids with unsupportive parents, kids with abusive parents, and kids who just can't catch a fucking break. Some kids, whether you want to acknowledge them or not, absolutely need a participation trophy.

>>I'm surprised #HotTakes are required for something as
>>innocuous as participation trophies.
>
>i have no idea what that means

I would say if you don't know what something means, you shouldn't dismiss it as bullshit.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
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102. "I can dig it. Same type who were prolly rooting HARD for Delly In the fi..."
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I guess some cats can just relate to the underdog more than others.

  

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106. "If Delly was my kid, yes, I would have been very proud."
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And I would've told him so.

He wouldn't have needed a participation trophy. But he's also, y'know, an adult.

Some kids need validation in different ways. And there are absolutely kids out there whose day, week, month, maybe fucking *year* would be made by a trophy on the mantle, showing how hard he/she has worked, even if the season didn't work out.

I can't begrudge a kid for feeling that way. Ever.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
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110. "but Delly was playing in the NBA finals bruh..."
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like, that is soooo far from just getting a trophy cause your parents paid the rec fee.

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113. "Matthew Dellavedova is a professional basketball player"
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in the most competitive league in the world.


what the fuck are you talking about?

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407. "lmao"
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>in the most competitive league in the world.
>
>
>what the fuck are you talking about?
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

-------------------
I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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105. "the main complaint employers have with new kids fresh out of college"
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is their constant need for validation...

but maybe it's overblown

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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114. "which is complete horseshit"
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the main problem employers have is that they're paying shit

since when were we on management's side?

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137. "Yep. The hardest working, most motivated people I've worked with . . ."
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usually Millenials. Those kids are fucking hard-nosed GAMERS.

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153. "they know more about how competitive the world is"
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than their predecessors ever did.

they've been ranked and judged constantly, and they see the doors that close when you fall off.

meanwhile, some exec who never had to compete with a black guy or a woman for a job and who had a starting job that paid double what kids are getting, w/o a degree, is calling them lazy and entitled, blaming participation trophies.

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192. "lol, yeah... that makes no damn sense. "
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kids aren't working harder today. where the Fuck did you get that bullshit from?

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285. "actual knowledge of the world we live in?"
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there's no way to answer this

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131. "So like i said above, participation trophies are rewards that should"
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be coming from parents but don't. I get that and thats' fine.

Wouldn't want them for my kid. Neither does james harrison. What's wrong with that?

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146. "which is mostly not the case"
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and I explained it in reply #5

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197. "There is no problem with that *choice.* I agree."
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If you are certain your kid is the type that would respond poorly to a participation trophy, it's your right to make the best choice for your kid. Obviously. You can choose to throw out a trophy.

But how do you know if your kid wants a trophy like that until he/she is given it? And if you try to toss it to "teach a lesson" to your 6-year-old... again, is that a lesson that needs teaching there?

I don't have the answers. I'm just fighting against the idea that these trophies are pointless and that all kids need to be taught this lesson at such a young age.

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203. "Well i see that point...I've spent this whole post from a viewpoint"
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of would i want my kid to participate in a trophy for everyone league. I can't say for a fact that I'd actually take the trophy away from the kid and chuck it. lol

I mean, my kid would get validation from me so he likely(hopefully)wouldn't need it from the a trophy. Depending on the situation, I can see him being 'rewarded' for completing something ie he thought he liked baseball, wasn't very good at, but was encouraged to the season through...I def would see the value in rewarding him with something. Just not a trophy lol.

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217. "And that's all fine."
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I've spent the post addressing Harrison chucking his 6 and 8 year old's trophies in order to "teach a lesson" and the widespread cosigning this action has received. I just don't think, having worked with kids that young, that that's a lesson that needs to be taught in that way.

Life will come up with many ways to teach you lessons about fairness and relative achievement that your dad doesn't need to do by chucking trophies into the trashcan, lol. And kids will deal with those lessons, as we all do, as they come.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
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223. "maybe james harrison knows whats best for his kids?"
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or maybe because he's an idiot, he doesnt?

Maybe he walked in on his kids celebrating a bragging about their participation trophies and didnt' want them to end up like Lin, Nick Young, and Jordan Hill.

https://youtu.be/fsreIMdzOqg?t=101

we don't know (c) kanye

I think participation trophies can be ok for some kids and not a good idea for others. agree or disagree?

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229. "i don't see them being a bad idea for any kids."
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>I think participation trophies can be ok for some kids and not
>a good idea for others. agree or disagree?

they'll mean more to some kids than others for myriad reasons. but i don't think any kid is harmed by receiving a participation trophy.

fuck you.

  

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234. "Right. Participation trophies aren't "bad" for anyone."
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Some kids will want to just throw them out. That's fine. That's the kid's choice. The kid can make that choice him/herself.

The dad doesn't need to be the one making that choice. And if it means that much to him, he can call the league before signing up and make sure they don't hand out participation trophies, not yank the trophies out of the kids' hands after they've received them.

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243. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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257. "i can easily see a kid getting a participation trophy and expecting"
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to get it and being disappointed when they dont get one next time. Or thinking its not fair.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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265. "So it's not about teaching them tough life lessons anymore?"
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It's about preventing them from experiencing tough life lessons later?

Like I said above, I'm out of this post. Y'all have fun.

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275. "teach them the same lessons jump. Why are you teaching one thing"
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at 6 (losers get trophies) and something different at 8?

that doesn't make any sense.

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284. "my god."
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LOL

why teach something different at 6 than what's taught at 8....

sheesh.

fuck you.

  

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135. "the irony is that you and rjcc are going the hardest in here"
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acting like kids are gonna drop out of school and turn to a life of crime if they don't get a participation trophy to give them the love that daddy and coach never did. kicking down straw men like the world's worst buddy cop team. nobody is "ranting and raving about the horrors of participation trophies for kids." literally, no one is doing that. stop.

all we're saying is that trophies have a purpose, and rewarding participation isn't it. making up for bad/abusive parenting or bad/abusive coaching isn't it. teaching kids that they're all special isn't it (again, that's what parenting and coaching is for).

trophies are a reward for hard work and excellence, period. they represent a goal to reach for, an incentive to be the best you can. and when you and your team gets there, you get one. and it means something. and you can look back and say we did that. all that is valuable, and you're taking it away from kids when you hand one out to everyone. trophies are for winners.

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138. "everything you just said, you made up"
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you can't disagree with the actual points

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147. "get better at reading. i'll give you a trophy."
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"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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171. "actually, my skill at comprehension"
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has earned me prizes of actual value, and pays off daily in my work.

you can keep your trophy

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198. "I read what you're saying, and I disagree with all of it."
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Respectfully. I think there's obvious value in participation trophies for young kids.

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116. "if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don't win ..."
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"This is how I feel -- if you want to see the Pittsburgh Steelers, invite us when we don't win the Super Bowl. As far as I'm concerned, he would've invited Arizona if they had won," said Harrison.


http://www.mondesishouse.com/2009/05/steelers-will-visit-white-house-sans.html

  

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120. "Lol weirdest part is he said that like everyone doesnt know that already"
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" As far
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140. "people are acting like james harrison isn't fucking nuts"
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that shit has worked out for him, but logic ain't his strong suit

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127. "OH MY GAWD"
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Now it all makes sense. He's just very very stupid.

This is like dismissing the presidential election as a popularity contest.

I'm kinda surprised this went so unnoticed in the context of the thread. There should be 20 to 30 lol's after this.

  

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117. "issues/discussions like this make me dislike people"
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Over some trophies for 7 year olds. Jesus. SMH.

  

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121. "I make it a point to not ever get mad on OKP."
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But this post has challenged me a bit.

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123. "it reminds me why Trump's winning"
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124. "any post on parenting makes me ask how i spent so much time here"
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every single time.

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128. "Yah this thread is bizarre to me."
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It's just parental grandstanding. This has nothing to do with his kids....it's his opportunity to make sure everyone knows he is the world's best father. Same thing when parents give their kids humiliating haircuts or post up spanking videos. Look at MEEEEEEEE

  

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129. "Life isn't always fair the earlier they learn that the better"
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But real life is hard, and no amount of trophies can shield kids from the disappointments and challenges they'll eventually face.

"I like kids. I want them to be happy and do well," said Merryman, who has mentored Olympic athletes. "But I'd much rather have a 6-year-old cry because he didn’t get a medal than have a 26-year-old lose it because they realized they weren’t as special as they thought they were."

Learning the true values of hard work, perseverance and resilience, that's the real reward. All other trophies pale in comparison.



Armour: James Harrison is right, you shouldn't get a prize for showing up
Nancy Armour, USA TODAY Sports 8:40 p.m. EDT August 17, 2015
2015-08-17-james-harrison-participation-trophies

Life isn't always fair.

You can work your hardest, try your best, expend every ounce of energy you have and sometimes things just don't work out the way you hoped or imagined. That's just the way things go.

Yet somewhere along the way, someone had the misguided notion that kids should live in a la-la land where everything is perfect, there are no hardships or heartbreaks, and you get a shiny trophy or a pretty blue ribbon just for being you.

There's time enough to get acquainted with reality, the thinking goes.In the meantime, children should be praised and encouraged, reminded at every turn how wonderful they are.

No wonder study after study has shown that millennials, the first of the trophy generations, are stressed out and depressed. They were sold a bill of goods when they were kids, and discovering that the harsh realities of life apply to them, too, had to have been like a punch to the gut.

Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison may be the last person you want to take life lessons from, given his history of violence on and off the field. But his announcement Sunday that he was giving back his 8- and 6-year-old son's "participation" trophies because they hadn't earned them was dead on, and that message shouldn't be discounted simply because he was the one delivering it.

"While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy," Harrison said in a post on Instagram. "I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best."

Amen.

Everybody-gets-a-trophy proponents say children should be rewarded for their efforts, that the prizes give kids incentive to always try their best and persevere. But isn't that what the orange slices and cookies are for? By handing out trophies and medals at every turn, it actually sends the opposite message, essentially telling kids it's enough just to show up.

Why should a kid strive to improve or put in the extra effort when he or she is treated no differently than the kid who sits in the outfield picking dandelions? Or, as NFL MVP Kurt Warner said on Twitter on Monday, "They don't let kids pass classes 4 just showing up!"

"The whole idea is to protect that kid and, ultimately, it’s a huge disservice. What kids need is skill-building. Help them do what they’re doing and do it better," said Ashley Merryman, co-author of Top Dog: The Science of Winning and Losing.

"The benefit of competition isn’t actually winning. The benefit is improving," Merryman added. "When you're constantly giving a kid a trophy for everything they’re doing, you're saying, 'I don’t care about improvement. I don't care that you're learning from your mistakes. All we expect is that you’re always a winner.' "

And if you've taken a peak at any 9-year-old's room recently, you'll see how much those precious trophies and ribbons really mean. Most are either coated in dust or buried in the back of a closet.

If we're honest with ourselves, the trophies, ribbons and medals we hand out so willingly are more about us than the children getting them. It's affirmation that our kids are as wonderful as we think they are. It's also a way to fool ourselves into thinking that we're sheltering them, at least temporarily, from the cold, cruel world.

But real life is hard, and no amount of trophies can shield kids from the disappointments and challenges they'll eventually face.

"I like kids. I want them to be happy and do well," said Merryman, who has mentored Olympic athletes. "But I'd much rather have a 6-year-old cry because he didn’t get a medal than have a 26-year-old lose it because they realized they weren’t as special as they thought they were."

Learning the true values of hard work, perseverance and resilience, that's the real reward. All other trophies pale in comparison.

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130. "^^^ all of this"
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132. "Well that's horseshit."
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The writer assumes all kids who play sports are future stars in training. The majority aren't. And plenty Millenials who never played sports or received participation trophies are depressed.

This is just more bellyaching about how 'weak today's kids are'. Bleh.

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134. "lol not at all"
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>The writer assumes all kids who play sports are future stars in training.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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148. "yup."
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"The whole idea is to protect that kid and, ultimately, it’s a huge disservice. >>What kids need is skill-building. Help them do what they’re doing and do it better<<," said Ashley Merryman, co-author of Top Dog: The Science of Winning and Losing.

...there are plenty kids playing sports who don't need or want skill-building.

"The benefit of competition isn’t actually winning. The benefit is improving," Merryman added.

...again, plenty kids playing sports don't need improving. b/c they're not in it for all of that. they're just there to have fun.

plus all of this shakes out as the kids age and the competition gets more fierce as some kids improve (b/c they get skills-building in other contexts) and others don't. the ones who don't improve tend to fall by the wayside and do other things than kids' sports. the ones who are interested in playing sports (or have awful parents) will continue.

so i remain unconvinced that participation trophies are a bad thing

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157. "the thing about youth sports is that it goes beyond just sports"
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So there are life lessons learned by a kid participating in youth sports/leagues.

Going with the premise that a kid is playing a sport bc they want to and enjoy it,

if he has a weakness or isn't good, work to get better at it. He doesn't have to be star in training to want to be better at something. The lesson from being a C player one season, working hard and becoming a B player the next year is a valuable life lesson that extends beyond sports. A participation trophy doesnt exactly do that.

Besides the life lesson aspect, wouldn't the kid enjoy playing xyz sport more if they got better at it? Doesn't have to do anything with being a star in training.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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170. "which doesn't really work"
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if the c players parents take them out of the league and find something else to do with their saturday.


Enter the participation trophy

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173. "i don't see what 'worked' with the participation trophy but ok."
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maybe the kid feels like a winner because he completed the season and that will motivate him in the future. Maybe it will make him feel complacent and not motivate him, because he sucked but he still got a trophy which is synonymous with winning.

Or maybe his parents take him and his friends out for ice cream bc they are glad he participated. Kid doesn't feel like a winner bc well, he lost. But he's having a good time with his friends and knows his parents love him. And the next time he competes at something, he still has the goal of getting his 1st trophy.

Roll Credits.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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175. "read what I said"
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or keep obsessing over WHAT THE KID THINKS HE GOOTT BUT DIDN'T EARNNNNNNNN

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denny
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245. "It seems like you have tunnel vision....."
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That the role of a reward/trophy NEEDS to be motivation for that kid to continue to get BETTER. I suppose that might be one of many reasons we give out trophies....but you're argument hinges on the assumption that it's the ONLY reason.

  

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SoWhat
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200. "...but not for all kids who play a sport."
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i played Little League for one year and quit b/c i hated it.

there will be plenty kids in any given youth sport who are like that. playing a sport is not necessarily going to teach any kid any life lessons. some of them will just go have fun (b/c they're KIDS). and if they don't maybe they'll quit. the ones who are into the competition and building skills and life lessons and all that will continue. the others fall by the wayside.

fuck you.

  

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Cenario
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213. "still doesn't have anything to do with being a star in training."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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SoWhat
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228. "*shrugs*"
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fuck you.

  

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Deacon Blues
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159. "RE: Well that's horseshit."
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>The writer assumes all kids who play sports are future stars
>in training. The majority aren't. And plenty Millenials who
>never played sports or received participation trophies are
>depressed.
>
>This is just more bellyaching about how 'weak today's kids
>are'. Bleh.

Maybe they were coddled in other ways, I'm not going to claim to know what's right and ( I'm not totally against participation trophies especially for little kid), parenting is hard and all kids are different, but I understand the concept of tough love isn't because the parents hate the kids but they are just trying to toughen them up and prepare hem for a tough world.

dude

  

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Frank Longo
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199. "Basically. "Let's teach a 6-year-old he isn't good enough!""
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"Child psychologists agree that supporting the efforts of a 6-year-old in a losing season will ultimately scar the child and leave him a whimpering pussy for the remainder of his days!"

He's fucking six. Do people understand how young that is?

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
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SoWhat
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231. "you know?"
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and at 6 he's presumably got a looooong time to develop skills and competitiveness. it's okay if he doesn't have it at age 6. lol. he's got plenty time.

fuck you.

  

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Cenario
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133. "exactly...."
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>But isn't that what the orange slices and cookies are for?

Trophies have a specific connotation. If you want to reward the kids for completing the season/whatever have an end of league party or take em out for pizza or ice cream or something.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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tingum
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136. "hard to argue with that."
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god blessin all the trap niggas.

  

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141. "who the hell "loses" a medal at 26 by "not being special""
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like you would get to the olympic level and only just then realize you'd been getting participation medals, and have to walk all the way home live on TV

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Cenario
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142. "pretty sure he's not talking about sports there."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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Rjcc
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144. "where the fuck else do you get medals?"
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that analogy was weak af.


Literally zero people are at their jobs thinking "yup, it's all good, it's like a participation trophy"


that's something old people, who have been coddled all their lives and never had to deal with an economy like the one we have now, tell themselves to feel better.

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Cenario
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151. "well i interpreted it as a 26 year old losing it* bc xyz"
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it* being losing their cool. Bc that goes with the whole tone of the article.

I think the author of the article describing the guy as coaching olympic athletes throws the thing off.

If your interpretation is right, then i agree that was a dumb point...i'm not sure how it makes even makes sense.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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denny
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316. "Highlight of the Thread!"
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When you take this idealogy literally.....they're worried about a med school student saying to himself 'You can probably skimp on the studying tonight....remember when you got that cap and gown after graduating kindergarton? Easy peasy.'

  

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143. "people want to make up for bad parenting and coaching"
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by handing out trophies to everyone. that's not what they're for. if your kids don't feel special, you're a bad dad and a garbage coach. don't turn trophies into "i'm special" t-shirts to make up for it. teach your kids right, coach your kids right, and give them a trophy when they win.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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158. "right, all the 'good reasons' for participation trophies seem to go to b..."
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parenting.

Not getting validation at home
Being forced to play something they aren't interested in

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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220. "yea thought it weird ppl immediately went to this. projections perhaps"
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>Not getting validation at home
>Being forced to play something they aren't interested in

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denny
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216. "lol 'The Science of Winning and Losing' lol."
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lol....orange slices and cookies are FOOD aka sustinence. Not rewards for participation. Unless the author thinks we shouldn't give our kids food because you have to earn it 'in the real world'.

The other bullshit premise at the bottom of all this is that the person with the most character will win the game. This is a common sports cliche that simply isn't reflected in reality. Genetics is the number one factor in sports success. Everything else is a bunch of folk psychology that is easily dismissable by simply observing pro athletes. They AREN'T leaders of society....people of the highest moral values. I mean, why are so many pro athletes completely lost in life after their playing careers are over? Why doesn't it translate in real life? The 'hard work, perserverence, resilience'....pro athletes would be the most upstanding members of society if this were true. The most successful people outside the world of sports as well. Fact is.....this shit is based on genetics first and foremost.

And I'd like to see when, in socio-cultural history, mid-life people said 'y'know, this new generation coming up are so much more focused than we were. We used to get things handed to us....but not these kids today. They're work ethic is impeccable'.

I love this part: 'Why should a kid strive to improve or put in the extra effort when he or she is treated no differently than the kid who sits in the outfield picking dandelions?' WTF? The child should be motivated by the end goal of being 'treated differently'? What exactly is he suggesting by that? He's suggesting that Kurt Warner would have never become a great football player if there were participation trophies? Like Kurt would've said 'screw this....I don't need to get better at football because I'm gonna get a participation trophy regardless'. When you actually flush this shit out it sounds ridiculous.

I love sports....I work in sports media. I was a gifted, competitive athlete in a variety of sports growing up. My pops always raised me with the awareness that this shit is NOT a mirror of life. War euphemisms in sports should NOT be mistaken for being literal. The greatest lessons in life are NOT learned on the pitch. All that shit is delusional.

It's a fucking game.

I'm so thankful he didn't fill my head with all that junk like alot of the other parents did with their kids. Key and Peele did a friggin epic skit called 'TeacherCenter'. If you haven't seen it this is really worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkHqPFbxmOU



  

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230. "Life will teach kids lessons about fairness and relative value."
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I thought I'd be in the NBA until about 6th grade. I thought I'd be married to my high school sweetheart until 18 months later. I thought my first professional acting gig meant I'd be a consistently working actor forever.

I've thought a lot of things in life that were naive at best and stupid at worst. Life taught me those lessons.

I didn't need my dad telling me at the beginning of all of these thoughts, "No son, you won't be a basketball player." "No son, you will probably break up with Stacy." "No son, you won't want to commit to what it takes to be a consistently working actor." He let me figure those things out myself. As a result, I learned a *ton* about basketball, girls, and acting in the process.

You're not going to damage a kid by *not* teaching him that life's unfair after a rec league for fucking 6 year olds gives a 6 year old a participation trophy. You may even be encouraging him to continue pursuing a sport that he'll love the rest of his life. He'll realize at some point that he is or isn't good enough to pursue it professionally. A coach will tell him, or a scout, or he'll just realize it himself. Trust your kid can handle life lessons as they come, and support your kid as he deals with the fallout.

11/13: Hot Frosty (on Netflix)
11/23: Three Wiser Men & A Boy (on Hallmark)
11/27: Christmas Under the Lights (on Hallmark Mysteries)
12/14: The Santa Class (on Hallmark)

  

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297. "Great post."
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When I try to evaluate my parenting style objectively...I can see that I'm sometimes guilty of this. Not in this participation trophy sense....but I think sometimes I can be guilty of trying to teach the kids lessons without letting them happen organically like you described. Like a 'let's be realistic' parent. I should check myself on that more often.

  

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145. "I was 36 when I finished my first half-marathon"
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and I wore that participation medal all goddamn day with PRIDE.

  

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149. "totally different. The goal for most runners is to compete against the "
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course or themselves. Not against other runners.

If a youth league is set up as instructional or a camp, a participation/completion plaque/award/medal is totally appropriate. It signifies you completed something

If its a structured league with w/l records, playoffs, championships...participation trophies are wack.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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150. "and when you went to work the next day you"
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still understood you needed to work to get paid because that's how life is.

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152. "running 13 miles isn't participating"
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unless they gave one out to everyone who showed up at the starting line, that's not a participation trophy. that's a "i set a goal, worked for it, and reached it" trophy. so, you know... a trophy.

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154. "it's a trophy/medal handed out for an accomplishment other than winning."
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which is what a participation trophy is.

it's not like kids get the trophy on the first day of practice. do they?

fuck you.

  

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161. "nah, you're absolutely right"
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they should've gave him a t-shirt or something. handing out medals for finishing the race is wack. and, yeah, this was a bunch of adults too? lol. yeah. no.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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166. "nah, runs/marathons are a goal-completion thing"
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Most people don't participate in runs to come in 1st. Which is why women race with men, 80 year olds with 20 year olds. In that group are people that are racing against themselves (or previous times).

Runs aren't competitions against the field...unless you are in some competitive racer league or something lol

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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169. "nope. It was a competition. The winners got cash money"
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IIRC, I bately finished in the top half. It was a participation medal.

  

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