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Subject: ""Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here"

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"Poll question: "Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rL7gnBwv_g

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Poll result (50 votes)
This was on point	(23 votes)	Vote
I disagreed with everything	(5 votes)	Vote
Those LGBT comments tho	(11 votes)	Vote
Those education comments tho	(1 votes)	Vote
Those multicultural comments tho	(0 votes)	Vote
Who is Umar Johnson	(10 votes)	Vote

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Subject	Author	Message Date	ID
EXCELLENT interview. He knows his stuff about childhood diagnosis	Boogie Stimuli	Aug 31st 2015	1
Why would one possibly feel negatively about him, boogie?	Brotha Sun	Aug 31st 2015	3
Why would one possibly ignore his knowledge and expertise, Brotha?	Boogie Stimuli	Aug 31st 2015	5
Because he uses it to preach division amongst black people	Brotha Sun	Sep 01st 2015	23
So the mis-diagnosis of our children is a unity that he's trying to dest...	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	36
Now you're being obtuse on purpose.	Brotha Sun	Sep 01st 2015	86
You replied to me talking about just that...	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	134
Uh huh	Brotha Sun	Sep 01st 2015	151
So you were just typing to type?	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	161
I realized midconvo I overestimated you and wanted to hide my regret.	Brotha Sun	Sep 01st 2015	175
Nah it was I who overestimated you	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	181
Sure	Brotha Sun	Sep 02nd 2015	194
yeah, this is a great interview. I don't see how anyone can shit on dud...	Ill Jux	Sep 07th 2015	423
Dude is a undiagnosed narcissist and a liar.	Brotha Sun	Aug 31st 2015	2
the hate begins. he got his dick wet, so what?	GameTheory	Aug 31st 2015	4
He is a hypocrite	DaHeathenOne76	Sep 01st 2015	14
thank you.	SHAstayhighalways	Sep 01st 2015	15
wow - personally speaking, I don't trust none of them afrocentric mofos	vee-lover	Sep 01st 2015	16
Do you trust any christians?	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	166
Some but absolutely none when it comes to spiritual guidance	vee-lover	Sep 01st 2015	173
Nice. Afrocentricity is no different. Good and bad people claim it too.	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	185
My distrust doesn't stem from them being a good or bad person	vee-lover	Sep 07th 2015	421
Very disturbing	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 07th 2015	426
Not that I think the comparison is apt in terms of message and reach....	Lardlad95	Sep 02nd 2015	188
RE: He is a hypocrite	I. Motion	Sep 02nd 2015	290
Thank You	afrogirl_lost	Sep 03rd 2015	338
Wow they got you with the Jim Jones kool-aid too?	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	41
Wooosh you drank the POPA koolaid	DaHeathenOne76	Sep 01st 2015	78
Didn't mean to reply to you but carry on then	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	83
Hadn't heard of him before this post. I made it to the 22:52 mark.	Moonlit_Force	Aug 31st 2015	6
Whats your opinion on his stance on gays?	GameTheory	Aug 31st 2015	7
From what I can tell before I stopped the vid...	Moonlit_Force	Aug 31st 2015	8
That doesn't answer his question about HOMOsexuality	GameTheory	Sep 01st 2015	11
If Johnson's opinion is that it results from molestation,	Backbone	Sep 01st 2015	12
^ All of this:	Moonlit_Force	Sep 01st 2015	25
Hey! Good to see you return to the boards!	Backbone	Sep 01st 2015	53
You didn't answer. What are your thoughts on being "born gay?"	GameTheory	Sep 01st 2015	158
Actually, I did answer your question,	Moonlit_Force	Sep 01st 2015	169
Prove your point.	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	45
Well... you agree with him, so he is definitely wrong.	Backbone	Sep 01st 2015	50
Cmon spin doctor you can do better than that	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	55
dam	LAbeathustla	Sep 01st 2015	56
He said in the video that that isn't the case for everyone	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	164
Eurgh	flionel	Sep 01st 2015	9
I'm sure people felt the same about Malcolm X	PIMPINCHICAGO	Sep 01st 2015	10
hes malcom x?	Geah	Sep 01st 2015	40
I'm sure folks were saying that about Malcolm "is he A Philip Randolph"	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	51
Is he Alain LeRoy Locke?	Moonlit_Force	Sep 01st 2015	63
Right is he Henry Highland Garnett, is he Paul Cuffe,	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	67
Fuck boy Supreme	DaHeathenOne76	Sep 01st 2015	13
just cuz ur articulate it doesnt mean that ur smart	thegodcam	Sep 01st 2015	17
also black 'conscious' people need to stop clinging on to people	SHAstayhighalways	Sep 01st 2015	18
EVERYBODY needs to stop clinging on to people	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	38
who is pretending that?	SHAstayhighalways	Sep 01st 2015	49
I'm saying the movement is in the middle	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	163
nigga CLEARLY pimpin the chitlin' circuit + gettin ''conscious'' coochie	2.tears.in.a.bucket	Sep 01st 2015	19
he offers 30 min psycho-academic consultations by phone for 50$	thegodcam	Sep 01st 2015	20
UGH.	Moonlit_Force	Sep 01st 2015	30
i can't do this smart- dumb n#gga s##t. tapped out @ 10:12	2.tears.in.a.bucket	Sep 01st 2015	21
Whenever I see shit like this I move closer towards getting a PhD.	Lardlad95	Sep 01st 2015	22
^ ^ ^ you can do it!	2.tears.in.a.bucket	Sep 01st 2015	24
Lol if you have anything to add you will be hidden with the several hund...	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	57
shit. they are delegitimizing psychology and therapy.	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	26
RE: shit. they are delegitimizing psychology and therapy.	double 0	Sep 01st 2015	34
Psychology in the white world is a result of their cultural/value system	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	44
RE: Psychology in the white world is a result of their cultural/value sy...	double 0	Sep 01st 2015	59
Yes and so have people like Kwame Nkrumah, Fela Kuti	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	65
RE: Yes and so have people like Kwame Nkrumah, Fela Kuti	double 0	Sep 01st 2015	70
Understood I'm just saying we can use institutions for	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	73
Lol when was it ever legit?	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	43
What's more troubling is how casually he conflates	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	58
RE: What's more troubling is how casually he conflates	double 0	Sep 01st 2015	61
Then, how is he using Dr as a title?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	64
RE: Then, how is he using Dr as a title?	double 0	Sep 01st 2015	69
he is a Doctor of Psychology...:	ThaTruth	Sep 01st 2015	68
That makes it even more egregious.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	75
He strikes me as the type who'll hustle whichever way he can...	Moonlit_Force	Sep 01st 2015	79
That certainly seems accurate.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	80
RE: shit. they are delegitimizing psychology and therapy.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	99
so let me ask you this....	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	126
RE: so let me ask you this....	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	135
Theres levels to this, and you get it.	GameTheory	Sep 01st 2015	156
wait wait.....wtf.	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	27
oh shit.....	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	28
i'm about to die	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	29
"gay gangs"	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	31
...gayngs?	Mongo	Sep 01st 2015	82
Dykes taking over (LINK)	Musa	Sep 04th 2015	391
I got a couple of patnas that swear by him	Geah	Sep 01st 2015	32
yeah, i have a female friend that's always taggin me in his	GROOVEPHI	Sep 01st 2015	119
RE: "Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here	double 0	Sep 01st 2015	33
This is a master class in being a smart dumb nigga.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	35
RE: This is a master class in being a smart dumb nigga.	I. Motion	Sep 02nd 2015	291
you may not agree with everything he says but he's speaking some real sh...	ThaTruth	Sep 01st 2015	37
Plus he gave us the Volkswagen.	Backbone	Sep 01st 2015	48
^^^^^^ White and furious ^^^^^^	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	66
Wow, a statement that's 50% true! You're improving!	Backbone	Sep 01st 2015	71
Naw you 100% whitebread with the psychosis	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	74
Excellent diagnosis, doc!	Backbone	Sep 01st 2015	76
You beat me to it damn.	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	39
if being gay is not natural then what?	thegodcam	Sep 01st 2015	54
RE: if being gay is not natural then what?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	81
Homosexuality is not a modern phenomena	bentagain	Sep 01st 2015	84
RE: Homosexuality is not a modern phenomena	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	90
what tv show made your sister gay?	bentagain	Sep 01st 2015	92
RE: what tv show made your sister gay?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	106
confuse children? this is an adult construct. children are pure beings	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	121
RE: confuse children? this is an adult construct. children are pure bein...	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	129
Punky Brewster...	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	401
Blues Clues...	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	402
Sifl & Olly...	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	403
CSI: Christopher St. - Special Lesbian Unit	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	404
Desperate House Studs of Atlanta	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	405
Sons of Patriarchy - Camel Toe	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	406
Different Strokes	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	407
V...	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	408
You can feel that way all you want. Raise your kids how you see fit too.	Moonlit_Force	Sep 01st 2015	93
RE: You can feel that way all you want. Raise your kids how you see fit ...	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	108
well he will be around as a father figure so...no gay kids.	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	132
And maybe no gay sister either if she decides to act accordingly.	Moonlit_Force	Sep 01st 2015	171
RE: And maybe no gay sister either if she decides to act accordingly.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	177
Being gay as far as Black folks in the USA I would say is a symptom	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	87
Being gay is a symptom of nature, period.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	88
Yes animals display same sex acts but they are animals	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	98
Population control...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	102
AHHH yes who sold you this myth that we need population control?	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	105
Diminishing natural resources isn't a myth.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	112
Never said it was but ostracizing, killing, hiding reusable energy sourc...	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	113
I agree,	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	115
I asked what purpose does homosexuality serve outside of pleasure you sa...	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	120
Is this one of the white nations you're talking about?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	125
The population doesn't need to be controlled death does that for us	Atillah Moor	Sep 02nd 2015	198
Our life expectancy has been steadily increasing.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	205
irrelevant due to any number of extinction level events being possible	Atillah Moor	Sep 02nd 2015	214
Word, but we're operating like an extinction level event	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	215
I would agree with most of that as well.	Atillah Moor	Sep 02nd 2015	223
Agreed, and that's a whole other conversation.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	238
Stupid fucking argument	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	212
RE: Stupid fucking argument	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	217
Would you ask a women	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	219
Not exactly a balanced equation	Atillah Moor	Sep 02nd 2015	231
I can't with yall	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	239
wow!	Utamaroho	Sep 02nd 2015	248
RE: wow!	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	253
RE: Not exactly a balanced equation	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	258
RE: Not exactly a balanced equation	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	263
RE: Not exactly a balanced equation	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	265
RE: Not exactly a balanced equation	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	274
But gay people's reproductive functions still work.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	266
RE: But gay people's reproductive functions still work.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	275
RE: But gay people's reproductive functions still work.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	277
You're playing hopscotch	Atillah Moor	Sep 03rd 2015	320
Since when can't gay people reproduce?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	264
RE: Since when can't gay people reproduce?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	267
No, but I can ejaculate in a cup and have it fertilize an egg	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	268
RE: No, but I can ejaculate in a cup and have it fertilize an egg	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015
but homosexuality existed in Africa before the European set foot on the ...	thegodcam	Sep 01st 2015	89
So what we ain't talking bout them	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	96
Why do y'all always lump in pedophilia with the gay?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	116
RE: Why do y'all always lump in pedophilia with the gay?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	130
You're referring to this?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	133
RE: You're referring to this?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	137
The VAST majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	140
RE: The VAST majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	149
Dear god, you're an idiot.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	150
RE: Dear god, you're an idiot.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	154
So, you considered having sex with men and chose not to?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	162
RE: So, you considered having sex with men and chose not to?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	167
You literally just conceded to being born heterosexual.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	172
checkmate	thegodcam	Sep 01st 2015	176
RE: You literally just conceded to being born heterosexual.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	197
So, you clearly don't understand sexual orientation.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	200
RE: So, you clearly don't understand sexual orientation.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	201
What you posted works more towards my point.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	202
It doesn't work toward your point at all... You are a reacher.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	206
No one knows what causes creativity.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	207
RE: No one knows what causes creativity.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	210
I never spoke in absolutes. Dr Johnson did, and you agreed	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	213
RE: I never spoke in absolutes. Dr Johnson did, and you agreed	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	234
RE: Being gay as far as Black folks in the USA I would say is a symptom	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	91
except, biology.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	94
So most gay folk should be born androgynous / hermaphrodites then?	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	97
That assertion literally makes no sense.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	100
You said biology I pointed to biological defects	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	104
but homosexuality isn't a biological defect.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	107
I never said homosexuality wasn't partly biological it is mental too	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	110
Fair enough. Considering you're agreeing with the video...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	114
It promotes population control	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	118
So, you think people should reproduce at large rate	Starbaby Jones	Sep 01st 2015	123
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL	Ashy Achilles	Sep 02nd 2015	209
As someone w/ adv bio/med degrees, this isn't simple	GameTheory	Sep 01st 2015	157
Did Queen Latifah EVER come out, really?	Allah	Sep 02nd 2015	262
^^^^wants to put the toothpaste back in the tube	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	122
RE: ^^^^wants to put the toothpaste back in the tube	flipnile	Sep 01st 2015	131
Never heard of him, but he makes some good, logical points...	flipnile	Sep 01st 2015	42
this post is OKP Logic 1o1	Garhart Poppwell	Sep 01st 2015	46
what are they wrong about?	ternary_star	Sep 01st 2015	180
read these posts again	Garhart Poppwell	Sep 02nd 2015	186
Folks are showing their TRRRUUUUEEE colors	Musa	Sep 01st 2015	47
:/	SHAstayhighalways	Sep 01st 2015	52
He needs to keep quiet about his schools goals.	Atillah Moor	Sep 01st 2015	60
RE: "Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	62
Green, he was kicking some facts IRT ADHD, etc...	bentagain	Sep 01st 2015	72
shit..i thought yo was the founder of this boxing gym here :-/	ambient1	Sep 01st 2015	77
how can someone so well-spoken be such a terrible texter?	Kwesi	Sep 01st 2015	85
His point about co-opting black movements is spot on.	Kira	Sep 01st 2015	95
Yes, ADD/ADHD is a creation of noosebait teaching methods	Dr Claw	Sep 01st 2015	101
but that's not what he said.	ThaTruth	Sep 01st 2015	103
RE: but that's not what he said.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 01st 2015	109
hair-splitting, but so-called 'over-diagnosis' as a result?	Dr Claw	Sep 01st 2015	111
he said that's what happens in SOME cases and disproportionately so in.....	ThaTruth	Sep 01st 2015	117
I fux with about 99.99% of what I've heard so far	DVS	Sep 01st 2015	124
Where is SoWhat?	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	127
although i dont agree wit most of what he's saying...	Big Kuntry	Sep 01st 2015	128
First 12 min are on point.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	136
Next 10 mins are on point too.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	138
That School Proposal is GREAT! I'd Love to see that come true.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	139
First 40 Min are nothing but Bricks to the Head.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	142
Black Music is Sharecropping! That's a Powerful Statement.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	143
If every HBCU Grad gave $20 mo back there would be no issues.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	145
No More Creamy Crack! Black Women are Beautiful!	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	146
Where is the Help Brother!	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	147
He's gonna come up off the preachers... LOL	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	148
Dr Umar Speaks on Why Blk Ppl shouldnt give money to the church	thegodcam	Sep 01st 2015	152
He's right in part per his social location and perspective.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	159
the stuff about education and special ed is HELLA valid	kayru99	Sep 01st 2015	141
That Job conversation @ 40:00 is very interesting.	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	144
fake deep.	Government Name	Sep 01st 2015	153
^absolutely.	woe.is.me.	Sep 01st 2015	155
LOL. but DJ Envy cosigned!	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	204
What's fake? What part was fake? What part was not deep?	Case_One	Sep 01st 2015	160
WELL THIS QUESTION WILL NOT GET ANSWERED!	Case_One	Sep 02nd 2015	193
nope, it won't.	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	203
You just toss it out there huh, hoping it will stick. Got it.	Case_One	Sep 03rd 2015	330
i caved and expounded further down in this post	Government Name	Sep 03rd 2015	339
i understand your frustration.	kinetic94761180	Sep 03rd 2015	321
They don't hear you	vee-lover	Sep 01st 2015	174
this thread is a bummer.	double negative	Sep 01st 2015	165
Man fuck all the rest, I'm dealing with a 7th grader who doesn't know hi...	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 01st 2015	168
Mentor that kid, or have it weigh on your conscience.	GameTheory	Sep 01st 2015	170
Definitely doing all I can to help.	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	183
give him some lay-ups/easy successes, and make a bid deal out of it	kayru99	Sep 01st 2015	179
Word, good one.	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	184
nice...also, try writing them out in columns	kayru99	Sep 02nd 2015	191
Word word, that's exactly how I wrote them out	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	235
Updade:	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	257
Update*	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	285
It's a beautiful feeling, right?	kayru99	Sep 04th 2015	397
...this is awesome	Calico	Sep 05th 2015	411
Thank You for posting this	Crisco	Sep 01st 2015	178
Sun was on point, 'specially with what he said about Sistas rockin they ...	NoDrawls McGraw	Sep 02nd 2015	182
Go back and listen, the LGBT thing was easily the weakest section.	Lardlad95	Sep 02nd 2015	187
What is natural about the condition of Black people in the USA?	Musa	Sep 02nd 2015	208
Thank you.	Atillah Moor	Sep 02nd 2015	233
Yeah, but black people exhibit the same array of behaviors	Lardlad95	Sep 02nd 2015	294
Yea Black people for the most part are stuck under sneaky(post) colonial...	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	309
I didn't exclude it, I just don't buy that homosexuality or any	Lardlad95	Sep 03rd 2015	387
His views are vile & he is a prime example of all skinfolk ain't kinolk.	no_i_cant_dance	Sep 02nd 2015	189
no they're not	Garhart Poppwell	Sep 02nd 2015	190
Pretty much.	Brotha Sun	Sep 02nd 2015	195
so the whole thing about black people owning schools and hospitals,	Ill Jux	Sep 07th 2015	424
y'all probably not ready to hear this either...	ThaTruth	Sep 02nd 2015	192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDR-xEVqKc	2.tears.in.a.bucket	Sep 02nd 2015	196
Dont know who he is, now I will continue to ignore	soken	Sep 02nd 2015	199
Chartreuse	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	211
THe Replies in this post prove Black Folks will Never Work together	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	216
...but Black people are already working together	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	218
Not in Large enough numbers.	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	224
Then, model the behavior you want to see.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	229
Shit you are right. I have no rebuttal. I see what you are saying	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	278
How do I find common ground with him	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	220
Newsflash most of the poeple you know including family barely	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	225
Newsflash most of the white poeple you know including close friends	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	226
LOL I see what you did there. ANd that applies in our everyday life as w...	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	228
But would you if they just outright told you	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	232
ether	double negative	Sep 02nd 2015	244
cosign	Utamaroho	Sep 02nd 2015	247
Right...	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 03rd 2015	313
If they paid me Hell yes. I got child support. LOL	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	279
His comments were divisive....	flionel	Sep 02nd 2015	221
His statement was actually on point	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	227
Sweetheart, not being down for homosexuality	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	230
Hey I hate beets. Yech....	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	280
RE: His statement was actually on point	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	240
This is a stupid point	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	249
Further, the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	252
RE: This is a stupid point	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	256
Please tell me about this Gay Lifestyle ou speak of	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	259
RE: Please tell me about this Gay Lifestyle ou speak of	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	270
Why couldn't he have children?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	272
RE: Why couldn't he have children?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	273
RE: Why couldn't he have children?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	276
RE: Why couldn't he have children?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	328
RE: Why couldn't he have children?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	336
RE: Why couldn't he have children?	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	340
Eh, brother, Islam ain't from us either.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	342
RE: Eh, brother, Islam ain't from us either.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	343
Let fix that for you...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	345
RE: Let fix that for you...	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	347
You are absolutely using the same rhetoric.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	348
RE: You are absolutely using the same rhetoric.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	355
RE: You are absolutely using the same rhetoric.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	358
RE: You are absolutely using the same rhetoric.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	362
You can't use melanin to determine race...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	364
RE: You can't use melanin to determine race...	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	365
Dude, sexual preference isn't actually a thing...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	366
RE: Dude, sexual preference isn't actually a thing...	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	367
It is an antiquated term that is no longer in use.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	370
RE: It is an antiquated term that is no longer in use.	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	377
So, you just ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrative	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	378
In conclusion	ILLwiLL132	Sep 04th 2015	389
Dude, that is not a reputable source.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 04th 2015	390
nigga...you sound crazy as FUCK right now	double negative	Sep 03rd 2015	372
maybe those religions are bullshit then	Ashy Achilles	Sep 03rd 2015	349
Aww, hell. I just saw you weren't talking to me.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	350
RE: maybe those religions are bullshit then	ILLwiLL132	Sep 03rd 2015	351
Wait, why couldn't you have grandchildren...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	260
RE: This is a stupid point	quadrush	Sep 02nd 2015	261
RE: This is a stupid point	ILLwiLL132	Sep 02nd 2015	271
All leaders are divisive. Mohammed, Jesus, MLK, Malcolm, JFK	Atillah Moor	Sep 02nd 2015	236
preach	Utamaroho	Sep 02nd 2015	242
what knowledge tho?	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	222
You can't find any in the first 17 minutes?	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	237
Again, the relevant points he makes are not his own...	Moonlit_Force	Sep 02nd 2015	241
*stands in this line	soken	Sep 02nd 2015	245
We aren't talking about points, here. We're talking abt knowledge.	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	281
He sounds like someone who knows surface info.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	283
How does any of that speak to his knowledge or lack thereof tho?	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	287
A lack of nuance usually infers incomplete knowledge	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	288
RE:	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 03rd 2015	307
i think people are equating "knowledge" with "sh*t they agree with"	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	250
So the term ADD wasn't introduced in 1980?	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	282
rolls eyes. ok. the "knowledge" that people are referring to is facts li...	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	292
lmao	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	295
dog, i used "knowledge" cause the person i was repsonding to used it	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	298
Word	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	300
He was being interviews on a morning show, The host were	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	284
i know the platform had its limitations, which is why im taking it all	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	293
Okp, land of the above-it-all know-it-alls	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	297
i feel you on that. 100%. but i get concerned that people take this sh*t	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	301
Word, I understand that concern.	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	305
Not necessarily okayplayer been on that sellout comfortable	Musa	Sep 02nd 2015	243
Dr. Umar Johnson confronted by LGBT Feminist	Utamaroho	Sep 02nd 2015	246
I'm still trying to figure out how...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	251
mental laziness or a fervent need...	Utamaroho	Sep 02nd 2015	254
Yeah,	Starbaby Jones	Sep 02nd 2015	255
where was black lives matter for Mike Brown?	bentagain	Sep 02nd 2015	269
RE: Dr. Umar Johnson confronted by LGBT Feminist	Crisco	Sep 02nd 2015	286
Acknowledging the ways Black men support cis hetero patriarchy is NOT	no_i_cant_dance	Sep 02nd 2015	289
So... you just gon' come in here speaking whole truth?	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 03rd 2015	312
^^^^this shit right here. this. shit. right. here.	double negative	Sep 03rd 2015	316
Just trying to keep up w/ your brilliance sis : -).	no_i_cant_dance	Sep 03rd 2015	361
Exactly, yet I'm supposed to send a child to this fool to be educated	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 04th 2015	393
Patriarch means male head of family	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	323
Oh shut the fuck up	afrogirl_lost	Sep 03rd 2015	357
This is what happens when people get advanced degrees in hotepery	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 03rd 2015	363
Nope because you in your emotions	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	368
blah, blah	afrogirl_lost	Sep 03rd 2015	385
You. Are. Not. Smart.	astralblak	Sep 04th 2015	392
You Are SO Right About That.	jane eyre	Sep 03rd 2015	373
also, why are we supposed to ignore his LGBT views and ride w/ the rest	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	296
Do you need a hero to worship?	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	299
yes, people do look for heroes to worship and follow. sometimes blindly	Government Name	Sep 02nd 2015	303
I edited 299... figured I'd keep it 100.	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 02nd 2015	304
i feel you and im not mad at that at all. thats a good point. my guess i...	Government Name	Sep 03rd 2015	306
respect	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 03rd 2015	311
nobody is perfect	PIMPINCHICAGO	Sep 03rd 2015	314
it's not even about being perfect. i'm talking about holding positions	Government Name	Sep 03rd 2015	319
This is exactly how Bernie Sanders supporters sounded...	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	324
I'm gonna ask you to never approach me with...	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 03rd 2015	374
^	Aeon	Sep 02nd 2015	302
Prove that it is bullshit tho and get out of your emotions.	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	310
lol	Government Name	Sep 03rd 2015	318
yes facts hold no wait to emotional folk	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	322
your experience =/= science, just trying to help, honestly	bentagain	Sep 03rd 2015	326
I'm talking about Black people	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	333
random sampling of lesbians or you know, lesbians who are in need of	Government Name	Sep 03rd 2015	334
read thru my other responses and get back to me	Government Name	Sep 03rd 2015	332
you cant differentiate between wait and weight	atruhead	Sep 03rd 2015	353
The same could be said for the black community-at-large	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	327
thanks for posting this....	Warren Coolidge	Sep 03rd 2015	308
I have to say....	murph71	Sep 03rd 2015	315
HAIL HYDRA	double negative	Sep 03rd 2015	317
Who controls the cultural influence of this society overtly and covertly	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	325
But that's precisely what you're asking us to do.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	329
standing ovation	MiracleRic	Sep 03rd 2015	331
My only issue with this awesome reply is that Rustin was out too.	Moonlit_Force	Sep 03rd 2015	335
True, I'm more than happy to acknowledge that.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	337
No one is asking you to be silent a lot of people don't care	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	344
So you want us to trade the White man for you?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	346
You're in here putting in that good work ...	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 03rd 2015	356
Lol, thanks	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	359
RE: Who controls the cultural influence of this society overtly and cove...	murph71	Sep 03rd 2015	341
agreed. HE'S the one that needs to get out of his feelings	NikaMandela	Sep 03rd 2015	352
Not if they care about gay kids too	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 03rd 2015	375
Boogie you're tripping brother	afrogirl_lost	Sep 05th 2015	412
Please don't mistake my partial agreement for defense.	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 05th 2015	415
Musa, Case One and Crisco cosign this dude	atruhead	Sep 03rd 2015	354
lol	Ashy Achilles	Sep 03rd 2015	360
THE VOTES say more people agree but don't have time to waste	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	369
A majority of white folks didn't want slaves freed.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	371
White folks are a minority on the planet and a true	Musa	Sep 03rd 2015	379
What does that have to do with price of tea in China?	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	380
you're a lunatic. Case One is a staunch homophobe	atruhead	Sep 03rd 2015	381
Not even close. But you love keeping my name in your mouth.	Case_One	Sep 07th 2015	420
ACTUALLY...	Moonlit_Force	Sep 03rd 2015	382
LOLsmh	DaHeathenOne76	Sep 03rd 2015	376
Has anyone even bothered to challenge his main presumption?	denny	Sep 03rd 2015	383
Well, he conflates ADHD with Special Education	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	384
It's hard as hell to accept having your kid get diagnosed.	denny	Sep 03rd 2015	386
It gets a bit dodgy, though.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 03rd 2015	388
you probably should look into his lectures	Garhart Poppwell	Sep 04th 2015	395
This is an hour-long interview.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 04th 2015	396
It was an hour long with like 15 topics. Stop lying	GameTheory	Sep 04th 2015	398
Check this out as a counter:	denny	Sep 04th 2015	409
I didn't have any bias, b/c I'd never heard of him before this video.	Starbaby Jones	Sep 05th 2015	410
i think children in general are overdiagnosed	dba_BAD	Sep 04th 2015	399
this fool gone blow up off this perfect mindfuck of misinfo.	2.tears.in.a.bucket	Sep 04th 2015	394
I'm wondering who's paying him to be what he is?	3CardMolly	Sep 04th 2015	400
he offers 30 min psycho-academic consultations by phone for 50$	thegodcam	Sep 05th 2015	413
This reply made me laugh even harder than the first time.	Moonlit_Force	Sep 05th 2015	416
This has got to be a joke page	Sarah_Bellum	Sep 06th 2015	419
You wonder who's paying him to be a principal?	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 07th 2015	428
I agreed with him on education, but honestly WTF is the	isaaaa	Sep 05th 2015	414
RE: I agreed with him on education, but honestly WTF is the	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 05th 2015	417
RE: "Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here	Tiggerific	Sep 06th 2015	418
Umar questions what causes/encourages homosexuality, though	GameTheory	Sep 07th 2015	425
I asked before will ask again What is the natural state of Black people ...	Musa	Sep 07th 2015	422
I will say this, concerning his views on homosexuality...	Boogie Stimuli	Sep 07th 2015	427

Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 10:49 PM

1. "EXCELLENT interview. He knows his stuff about childhood diagnosis "
In response to Reply # 0

and education regardless of how you feel about him.
That first 17 minutes is some shit every Black parent needs to know.

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6778 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 11:14 PM

3. "Why would one possibly feel negatively about him, boogie?"
In response to Reply # 1

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 11:34 PM

5. "Why would one possibly ignore his knowledge and expertise, Brotha?"
In response to Reply # 3

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6778 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 08:19 AM

23. "Because he uses it to preach division amongst black people"
In response to Reply # 5

Which makes him worthless in the long run. Hes a wannabe patriarch that envies the whitemans power and wants it for himself.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:10 AM

36. "So the mis-diagnosis of our children is a unity that he's trying to dest..."
In response to Reply # 23

Trying to educate parents so their
children don't experience the harmful
side effects of these wrongly prescribed
drugs is division?
Please explain how this is so.

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6778 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 01:02 PM

86. "Now you're being obtuse on purpose. "
In response to Reply # 36

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 03:16 PM

134. "You replied to me talking about just that..."
In response to Reply # 86

I'm just on topic. You wanna talk about the man. I'm talking about the facts he spoke.
Whatever flaws you can see in the man didn't get in the way of the facts I just laid out
for you.

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6778 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 04:46 PM

151. "Uh huh"
In response to Reply # 134

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 05:38 PM

161. "So you were just typing to type?"
In response to Reply # 151

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6778 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 08:17 PM

175. "I realized midconvo I overestimated you and wanted to hide my regret."
In response to Reply # 161

You still dodging my initial question, you know what umars problem is, but you will conveniently ignore it because you are not a woman or LGBT thus not a target. It's cool.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 03:09 AM

181. "Nah it was I who overestimated you"
In response to Reply # 175

As ShaStayHigh put it, there's "real shit" and nonsense.
Didn't realize you were so focused on nonsense and hero worship.

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6778 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 10:10 AM

194. "Sure"
In response to Reply # 181

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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Ill Jux
Member since Jan 19th 2007
14705 posts

Mon Sep-07-15 02:13 PM

423. "yeah, this is a great interview. I don't see how anyone can shit on dud..."
In response to Reply # 1

how can anyone black, or of any other race, have a problem with anything he's saying. he's talking about building schools, there are 39 year old black men like floyd mayweather showing us 4 million dollar cars as if it's an achievement, please.

i didn't know of or about him prior to watching this interview, but i will be paying attention to him and i'm going to buy his book.

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6778 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 11:14 PM

2. "Dude is a undiagnosed narcissist and a liar."
In response to Reply # 0

Sucks, he's about as trustworthy as Tariq Nasheed, but he sure knows how to massage that black inferiority complex.

P.S. fuck him

P.S.S. Google "khym ringgold"

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
1642 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 11:24 PM

4. "the hate begins. he got his dick wet, so what?"
In response to Reply # 2

He even addressed this. That chick ain't even expose dude. All she said was that he slept with her.

And?

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DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 07:11 AM

14. "He is a hypocrite"
In response to Reply # 4

He encourages people to be celibate yet he bedding down ladies in every town. Then he blames her for losing an alleged million dollar donation calls her a maggot and every other name in the book.

He shits on women for being single parents yet doesnt take care of his children in Philly

Then he calls us trifling because he hasnt raised the money for his school.

Where is his board of directors?
Where is his curricula?
What happened to the 250K that was originally raised?

He can fuck off
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SHAstayhighalways
Member since Sep 03rd 2014
3696 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 07:18 AM

15. "thank you."
In response to Reply # 14

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
20388 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 07:24 AM

16. "wow - personally speaking, I don't trust none of them afrocentric mofos"
In response to Reply # 14

>He encourages people to be celibate yet he bedding down
>ladies in every town. Then he blames her for losing an alleged
>million dollar donation calls her a maggot and every other
>name in the book.
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>He shits on women for being single parents yet doesnt take
>care of his children in Philly
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>Then he calls us trifling because he hasnt raised the money
>for his school.
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>Where is his board of directors?
>Where is his curricula?
>What happened to the 250K that was originally raised?
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>He can fuck off
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>. . . If I have something to say when there is a reason
>involved, I am perfectly willing to talk. Katherine Hepburn

grassrootsphilosopher

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 06:06 PM

166. "Do you trust any christians?"
In response to Reply # 16

Do you trust any human beings at all?

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
20388 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 08:10 PM

173. "Some but absolutely none when it comes to spiritual guidance "
In response to Reply # 166

>Do you trust any human beings at all?

Yes,once they've earned my trust

grassrootsphilosopher

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 03:40 AM

185. "Nice. Afrocentricity is no different. Good and bad people claim it too."
In response to Reply # 173

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vee-lover
Member since Jul 30th 2007
20388 posts

Mon Sep-07-15 10:02 AM

421. "My distrust doesn't stem from them being a good or bad person"
In response to Reply # 185

because that's insignificant

I distrust them for pushing a false ideology not to mention many of them, as people in this post are exposing abt Dr. Umar, are frauds and VERY egocentric

grassrootsphilosopher

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Mon Sep-07-15 04:02 PM

426. "Very disturbing"
In response to Reply # 421
Mon Sep-07-15 04:03 PM by Boogie Stimuli

Funny how you view Afrocentricity as "false" (with all the different ideas among them)
yet you don't see Christianity as such.

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Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
66340 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 06:03 AM

188. "Not that I think the comparison is apt in terms of message and reach...."
In response to Reply # 14

but to be fair....where would Dr. King have been if we had twitter, instagram, and cameraphones back in the 50's/60's?

Doesn't excuse anything dude does, but if he's not on that Cosby or Jared I can't see it as anything more than another case of people with status exploiting their status.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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I. Motion
Member since Jun 17th 2009
836 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 10:14 PM

290. "RE: He is a hypocrite"
In response to Reply # 14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=56&v=pz6hZpanCuc

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afrogirl_lost
Member since May 22nd 2012
3062 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 11:23 AM

338. "Thank You"
In response to Reply # 14

I'm from Philly and have never ending stories of Umar's exploits. He's a misogynist and a dead beat. Trifling as fuck.

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:33 AM

41. "Wow they got you with the Jim Jones kool-aid too?"
In response to Reply # 2

So what this nigga fucked a woman ohhh my he is not allowed to have sex everything that nigga says is false now.

Yall are delusional.

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DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 12:32 PM

78. "Wooosh you drank the POPA koolaid"
In response to Reply # 41

Clearly you didnt read my post

I dont give a shitdamnhell where he puts his penis just dont try to tell anyone else what to do with their genitals.

Don't demonize and blame single mothers and strippers all the while smashing cakes and creating single mothers

MEANWHILE WHERE ARE THE FOLLOWING????

CURRICULUM
BOARD OF DIRECTORS
ELDER ADVISORY COMMITTEE
BUILDING INSPECTIONS
LEAD PAINT CERTIFICATIONS
WATER BILL

Anything BEULLER ..
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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 12:55 PM

83. "Didn't mean to reply to you but carry on then"
In response to Reply # 78

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
8643 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 11:36 PM

6. "Hadn't heard of him before this post. I made it to the 22:52 mark."
In response to Reply # 0
Mon Aug-31-15 11:38 PM by Moonlit_Force

That was all I was willing to entertain.

Somehow he struck me as both rehearsed and all over the place at the same time.
It might have something to do with how his assertions muddle the few good points
he mentioned (that are not his own btw; they've been a part of the dialogue within
educational reform for a while now).

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
1642 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 11:38 PM

7. "Whats your opinion on his stance on gays?"
In response to Reply # 6

And note, my personal opinion on the LGBT community does not align with his.

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
8643 posts

Mon Aug-31-15 11:44 PM

8. "From what I can tell before I stopped the vid..."
In response to Reply # 7

...his opinion seems to be that homosexuality is a result of molestation.

That's both laughable and inaccurate since victims of sexual abuse,
like the rest of the population, are predominately heterosexual.

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
1642 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 01:55 AM

11. "That doesn't answer his question about HOMOsexuality"
In response to Reply # 8

Did you miss that part?

This isn't sheer pedophilia. We're talking HOMOsexuality.

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Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 03:12 AM

12. "If Johnson's opinion is that it results from molestation,"
In response to Reply # 11

we can safely ignore anything else he says on homosexuality. Or sexuality, period. If we need any interesting thoughts on sexuality, we should ask people who aren't stuck in a time where any deviation from the norm was considered a mental illness.

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
8643 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 09:40 AM

25. "^ All of this:"
In response to Reply # 12

>RE: If Johnson's opinion is that it results from molestation,
>we can safely ignore anything else he says on homosexuality.
>Or sexuality, period. If we need any interesting thoughts on
>sexuality, we should ask people who aren't stuck in a time
>where any deviation from the norm was considered a mental
>illness.

* Waves across the ocean * Hey Backbone!

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Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:47 AM

53. "Hey! Good to see you return to the boards!"
In response to Reply # 25

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
1642 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 05:27 PM

158. "You didn't answer. What are your thoughts on being "born gay?" "
In response to Reply # 25

I personally have a problem with him ignoring the neurological substrates contributing to identity and gender association. I get that side of the issue and I don't care if people are gay or choose to be gay.

BUT

If were talking about about "being born" a certain way, why can't we talk about it?

i don't aim to change gay people, but taboo questions aren't off topic here either.

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
8643 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 07:14 PM

169. "Actually, I did answer your question,"
In response to Reply # 158

I told you exactly where I cut off the vid. He doesn't discuss any of
what you're talking about up to that point.

"Taboo questions"...?

You know as well as I do that the question of sexual orientation
having a wholly biological basis or being determined by various
factors hasn't been definitively answered. Honestly, I think the
question (and any answers yet to be discovered) are irrelevant
ultimately.

If you're genuinely asking for MY thoughts on whether being gay is
a choice or if people are born "that way" my answer is that sexual
fluidity is inherent from birth; some folks choose to embrace their
urges while others don't (for obvious reasons). Choosing to act on
those attractions varies in degrees and can change throughout the
course of a lifetime because sexuality is a spectrum for a lot of
people.

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:41 AM

45. "Prove your point."
In response to Reply # 12

Because I can discredit everything you are saying with facts.

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Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:46 AM

50. "Well... you agree with him, so he is definitely wrong."
In response to Reply # 45

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:48 AM

55. "Cmon spin doctor you can do better than that"
In response to Reply # 50

actually use a .0005 of your brain and prove the filth you spout.

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LAbeathustla
Member since Jan 24th 2004
33858 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:50 AM

56. "dam"
In response to Reply # 50

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2019 CABG Survivor

2016 OK Survivor Champion

be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 05:50 PM

164. "He said in the video that that isn't the case for everyone"
In response to Reply # 8

and that he simply hears that from alotta ppl he counsels

>...his opinion seems to be that homosexuality is a result of
>molestation.

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flionel
Member since Jul 08th 2010
576 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 01:19 AM

9. "Eurgh"
In response to Reply # 0

The desperation for people to find a new Malcolm X allows brothers like this to get a platform. There was truth in some of what he said but I could not get through it. The gay comments were so dumb.

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PIMPINCHICAGO
Member since Mar 11th 2003
7441 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 01:30 AM

10. "I'm sure people felt the same about Malcolm X"
In response to Reply # 9

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Geah
Member since Feb 16th 2007
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:26 AM

40. "hes malcom x?"
In response to Reply # 10

@geahuwine

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:46 AM

51. "I'm sure folks were saying that about Malcolm "is he A Philip Randolph""
In response to Reply # 40

"Is he Adam Clayton Powell"

"Is he WEB DuBois"

"Is he Fredrick Douglass"

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Moonlit_Force
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:01 PM

63. "Is he Alain LeRoy Locke?"
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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:12 PM

67. "Right is he Henry Highland Garnett, is he Paul Cuffe, "
In response to Reply # 63

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DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
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Tue Sep-01-15 07:03 AM

13. "Fuck boy Supreme"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Sep-01-15 07:26 AM by DaHeathenOne76

He would appear on the breakfast club
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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
41497 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 07:29 AM

17. "just cuz ur articulate it doesnt mean that ur smart"
In response to Reply # 0

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SHAstayhighalways
Member since Sep 03rd 2014
3696 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 07:30 AM

18. "also black 'conscious' people need to stop clinging on to people"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Sep-01-15 07:30 AM by SHAstayhighalways

because they know some shit. the 10% know just as much as the 5%. so to not only applaud but revere certain people bc they know some shit and ignoring how they spread what they know is naive at best and just plain ignorant and borderline idol worship at worst.

www.royallegacy.org

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:18 AM

38. "EVERYBODY needs to stop clinging on to people"
In response to Reply # 18

Taking the valuable info and disregard the
rest is the best course of action.
Hell I definitely don't agree with
everything Umar says, but to pretend our
children aren't being mis-diagnosed and
thrown away by the system is as naive as
blindly following everything he says.
I see it happening and am dealing with a
child who this has happened to now.
Child only twelve and convinced he "slow"
with no signs of being so.

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SHAstayhighalways
Member since Sep 03rd 2014
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:46 AM

49. "who is pretending that?"
In response to Reply # 38

i just don't fuck with the self proclaimed 'prince of pan afrikanism' and would rather point to more valuable sources of the same information minus the fuck shit.

the point being a lot of people revere HIM and don't parse between the real shit and the nonsense and its harmful to the movement as it were. people like him and the ray hagins and tariq nasheeds of the world make it hard for folks to even take 'the movement' seriously.
if we can even call it a movement at this point anymore.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Tue Sep-01-15 05:47 PM

163. "I'm saying the movement is in the middle"
In response to Reply # 49
Tue Sep-01-15 05:47 PM by Boogie Stimuli

There are folks who ride for everything he says
because of who he is
Then there are are folks who are against everything he says
because of who he is

It's the same kind of hero worship.
Why would it have to come from a perfect and blameless source if wasn't about hero worship?
That mindset is the only thing making the movement difficult.
You separated "real shit" from nonsense.
The movement is about real shit. Forget about the name. Let's just focus on the real shit.
Everything else is TMZ.

>the point being a lot of people revere HIM and don't parse
>between the real shit and the nonsense and its harmful to the
>movement as it were.
>people like him and the ray hagins and
>tariq nasheeds of the world make it hard for folks to even
>take 'the movement' seriously.
>if we can even call it a movement at this point anymore.

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2.tears.in.a.bucket
Member since Sep 04th 2009
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Tue Sep-01-15 07:36 AM

19. "nigga CLEARLY pimpin the chitlin' circuit + gettin ''conscious'' coochie"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Sep-01-15 07:37 AM by 2.tears.in.a.bucket

get it how u live my dude

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#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

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screamin' mothafuck a 12 /
bitches ain't shit /
cops ain't neither /
they huntin' my people /

- i. rashad

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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
41497 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 07:56 AM

20. "he offers 30 min psycho-academic consultations by phone for 50$"
In response to Reply # 0

http://www.drumarjohnson.com/#!consultations

oh jesus fuckin christ

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
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Tue Sep-01-15 10:08 AM

30. "UGH."
In response to Reply # 20

...and LMFAO.

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2.tears.in.a.bucket
Member since Sep 04th 2009
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Tue Sep-01-15 07:58 AM

21. "i can't do this smart- dumb n#gga s##t. tapped out @ 10:12"
In response to Reply # 0

♚♚♚♚

#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

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screamin' mothafuck a 12 /
bitches ain't shit /
cops ain't neither /
they huntin' my people /

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Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
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Tue Sep-01-15 08:16 AM

22. "Whenever I see shit like this I move closer towards getting a PhD."
In response to Reply # 0

Just so I can reintroduce some fucking scholarship to Black Nationalism.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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Tue Sep-01-15 09:34 AM

24. "^ ^ ^ you can do it! "
In response to Reply # 22

♚♚♚♚

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bitches ain't shit /
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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:54 AM

57. "Lol if you have anything to add you will be hidden with the several hund..."
In response to Reply # 22

other PHD's who are Black Nationalist.

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Tue Sep-01-15 09:49 AM

26. "shit. they are delegitimizing psychology and therapy."
In response to Reply # 0

not a good luck

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Member since Nov 17th 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:07 AM

34. "RE: shit. they are delegitimizing psychology and therapy."
In response to Reply # 26
Tue Sep-01-15 11:07 AM by double 0

What's funny is his whole premise is...

All this psychology shit is an opinion .. so dont listen to them HWhite womenzzzz BUT listen to MEEEEE

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:39 AM

44. "Psychology in the white world is a result of their cultural/value system"
In response to Reply # 34

so it would make practical sense to listen to someone who is of a similar culture to you than someone with clear agenda/bias to prove white supremacy and sexual confusion.

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:57 AM

59. "RE: Psychology in the white world is a result of their cultural/value sy..."
In response to Reply # 44

That Dr. in front of his name came from the same institutions...

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:04 PM

65. "Yes and so have people like Kwame Nkrumah, Fela Kuti"
In response to Reply # 59

doesn't mean you can't take filter the bs and use what you need for your own.

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Tue Sep-01-15 12:18 PM

70. "RE: Yes and so have people like Kwame Nkrumah, Fela Kuti"
In response to Reply # 65

I don't oppose a lot of his ACTUAL area of expertise. He is spot on when it comes to school psychology and misdiagnosis...

But everything else? yea.. NAH

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:20 PM

73. "Understood I'm just saying we can use institutions for"
In response to Reply # 70

whatever we need without taking everything.

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:38 AM

43. "Lol when was it ever legit?"
In response to Reply # 26

yall niggas.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:57 AM

58. "What's more troubling is how casually he conflates "
In response to Reply # 26
Tue Sep-01-15 11:57 AM by Starbaby Jones

psychology and psychiatry. Like, they are two fairly different fields of study. I would expect a therapist who has a doctorate to be clear in articulating that difference.

I get not wanting to push drugs on our kids, but a LOT of black folks in general need psychological therapy, because of the stress of just existing in this country.

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double 0
Member since Nov 17th 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:01 PM

61. "RE: What's more troubling is how casually he conflates "
In response to Reply # 58

I don't think he has a doctorate

This was his Masters

http://www.millersville.edu/psychology/graduate/school-psychology/about.php

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:03 PM

64. "Then, how is he using Dr as a title?"
In response to Reply # 61

Is he on that Dr Phil ish?

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double 0
Member since Nov 17th 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:13 PM

69. "RE: Then, how is he using Dr as a title?"
In response to Reply # 64

No clue but..

http://www.nasponline.org/about_sp/careerfaq.aspx

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ThaTruth
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:12 PM

68. "he is a Doctor of Psychology...:"
In response to Reply # 61

http://digitalcommons.pcom.edu/psychology_dissertations/233/

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:25 PM

75. "That makes it even more egregious."
In response to Reply # 68

If your field of study is psychology, then it seems you would want to clarify that no psychologist is prescribing anything to anyone. Why would you want to delegitimize what you do? Is that not hustling backwards?

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:33 PM

79. "He strikes me as the type who'll hustle whichever way he can..."
In response to Reply # 75

>Is that not hustling backwards?

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Tue Sep-01-15 12:50 PM

80. "That certainly seems accurate. "
In response to Reply # 79

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:43 PM

99. "RE: shit. they are delegitimizing psychology and therapy."
In response to Reply # 26

LOL at you for believing that it is legitimate. I for one have a degree in psychology and have worked with many psych patients and doctors and nurses. A lot of it is purely bullshit. People get misdiagnosed all the time and it is for monetary gain only. There's many people faking their symptoms to get a disability check and the doctor's go along with it because it fattens their pockets as well. Don't be a fool.

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double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:52 PM

126. "so let me ask you this...."
In response to Reply # 99

i have a cousin who has PTSD from hood life and he is very far from acting and living as a functioning adult.

what do you do for that person then?

maybe im not understanding the position. are you saying that my cousin should not seek help to get his life on track? what is the alternative?

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:23 PM

135. "RE: so let me ask you this...."
In response to Reply # 126

>i have a cousin who has PTSD from hood life and he is very
>far from acting and living as a functioning adult.
>
>what do you do for that person then?
>
>maybe im not understanding the position. are you saying that
>my cousin should not seek help to get his life on track? what
>is the alternative?

No I think you are misunderstanding this. PTSD is real and many other psychosis are real.... there are however many mental disorders that are questionable such as those mentioned by Dr. Umar. In the video he mentions ADD and ADHD which have a high diagnosis rate in Black children there should be questions as to why.... Autism in particular is a fairly new disease and is taking our country on by storm. Where did this disease come from?... there's no real cause of it. There's no cure for it... but there are many programs set up across the country for people to make money of those who are suffering. There's theories out there now saying that Autism could possibly stem from the immunizations that they are putting in children these days. Certainly something to take into consideration. For Schizophrenia there's a plethora of different symptoms that could lead to you being diagnosed schizophrenic. You could fake it like I said before and still be diagnosed. How can someone determine if you actually hear voices or see things? They take your word for it and prescribe medicine to you accordingly. There are cases where Schizophrenia is real as fuck so this is where the legitimacy of psychology comes into place. If you go to any of these mental health facilities after careful observation you will notice that a majority of these people were just drug addicts living on the streets. There are many who are really disturbed tho. These companies and doctors make hella money storing these people in these facilities, misdiagnosing them and keeping them sedated on medication.

As far as your cousin I say this to everyone who has a family member that is mentally disturbed. If you love that individual I would not advise to take him to a facility and leave him there, keep him at home where he is loved and can feel love. But you do want to take him to see a doctor to be prescribed the correct medicine for his symptoms. Other than that don't leave it up to these people to help your family member get on track. The longer he is off track and dealing with these issues keeps them in business. I hope this makes things a bit clearer for you.

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
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Tue Sep-01-15 05:23 PM

156. "Theres levels to this, and you get it. "
In response to Reply # 135

If OKP wasn't using 1995 standards, i'd give you a golden star

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Tue Sep-01-15 10:06 AM

27. "wait wait.....wtf. "
In response to Reply # 0

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Tue Sep-01-15 10:07 AM

28. "oh shit....."
In response to Reply # 27

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Tue Sep-01-15 10:07 AM

29. "i'm about to die"
In response to Reply # 28

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Tue Sep-01-15 10:09 AM

31. ""gay gangs" "
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Mongo
Member since Oct 26th 2005
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:54 PM

82. "...gayngs?"
In response to Reply # 31

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Musa
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Fri Sep-04-15 12:57 AM

391. "Dykes taking over (LINK)"
In response to Reply # 31

http://www.streetgangs.com/news/021804_school_lesbian_gang#sthash.NDX4pAAH.dpbs

Students Fear ‘Lesbian Gang’ At School
NBC10.com
School Holds Meeting On Alleged Threats
POSTED: 6:49 PM EST February 18, 2004
UPDATED: 8:16 AM EST February 19, 2004
PHILADELPHIA — Gang concerns brought parents and students together Wednesday at a West Philadelphia middle school. But the kind of gang may surprise you.
The gang is allegedly called DTO (for Dykes Taking Over) and made up of self-styled lesbian students.
Lesbian Gangs
Girls Fear Lesbian Gangs
Girls at the Turner Middle School allege that the lesbian students are harassing them with gay remarks. The straight students say lesbians are bullying, groping and harassing them in gym and in the girl’s bathrooms.
Parents of the students say the harrassment must stop before it becomes violent.
“I told them, ‘No.’ And they kept bothering us. (They) kept coming to us asking us to become gay,” said Felicia Anderson (pictured, left), a straight student.
Anderson, 14, said she doesn’t like it and it makes her cry.
Wednesday morning, Felicia and her mother joined around 24 other parents and students to meet with school officials behind closed doors for two hours at Turner Middle School.
“(I am) very angry. Now my daughter is afraid to come to school,” said Tonya Grandy, a parent of a student who said she was harrassed.
Other parents said they were also fed up with the sexual harassment from as many as a dozen 8th-graders at Turner.
“She called me last week screaming and hollering and crying because they had her in the gym cornered off, telling her what they were gonna make her do,” said Renee Alexander.
“Don’t nobody wanna be gay. Don’t nobody wanna be harassed. Don’t nobody wanna be scared to come to school,” said Kendra Branch, a student.
State Rep. Ron Waters, who attended the meeting, said all students were reminded about the school’s code of conduct. It includes policies against bullying and sexual harassment with consequences.
“(You don’t have to) accept it as part of growing up. They’re violating your right,” Waters explained.
Perhaps the most productive moment came when one mother, Barbara Crawford, whose daughter has been accused of harassment asked for help.
“Accusations, fighting and all that. Maybe my daughter is causing trouble. Maybe not. I know it’s a change and I need help. I’m going to do something about it if I have to walk her to school and pick her up — or even transfer her to another school,” Crawford said.
Crawford said she is pleased with how the school is handling this situation. Philadelphia schools have a zero tolerance policy regarding harassment and bullying. Officials at Turner Middle School declined comment on Wednesday’s meeting.
- See more at: http://www.streetgangs.com/news/021804_school_lesbian_gang#sthash.NDX4pAAH.dpuf

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Geah
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:03 AM

32. "I got a couple of patnas that swear by him"
In response to Reply # 0

He's not for me.

@geahuwine

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GROOVEPHI
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:28 PM

119. "yeah, i have a female friend that's always taggin me in his "
In response to Reply # 32

IG posts. Taggin me in David Banner IG posts and shit. I be like 'damn broad, tag your man. Shit"

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double 0
Member since Nov 17th 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:06 AM

33. "RE: "Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here"
In response to Reply # 0

His overuse of the word "normal" let me know all I need to know..

and his hat.. Is he wearing an over-sized fitted hat with a suit?? can't fuckin trust that dude at all

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:08 AM

35. "This is a master class in being a smart dumb nigga. "
In response to Reply # 0

Any elements of truth he drops is so conflated with dumb shit that you can't take him seriously.

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I. Motion
Member since Jun 17th 2009
836 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 10:19 PM

291. "RE: This is a master class in being a smart dumb nigga. "
In response to Reply # 35

Dame Dash comes to mind......

>Any elements of truth he drops is so conflated with dumb shit
>that you can't take him seriously.

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ThaTruth
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:11 AM

37. "you may not agree with everything he says but he's speaking some real sh..."
In response to Reply # 0

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:45 AM

48. "Plus he gave us the Volkswagen."
In response to Reply # 37

___________________
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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:05 PM

66. "^^^^^^ White and furious ^^^^^^"
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:19 PM

71. "Wow, a statement that's 50% true! You're improving!"
In response to Reply # 66

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Tue Sep-01-15 12:23 PM

74. "Naw you 100% whitebread with the psychosis "
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:30 PM

76. "Excellent diagnosis, doc!"
In response to Reply # 74

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:21 AM

39. "You beat me to it damn. "
In response to Reply # 0

100%

Gay folk all in their emotions like someone is insulting them stop it B.

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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
41497 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 11:47 AM

54. "if being gay is not natural then what?"
In response to Reply # 39
Tue Sep-01-15 12:07 PM by thegodcam

What do u propose we do with the thousands of our ppl who identify as such?
Should their behaviour be criminalized since y'all love comparing it to pedophilia?
Should the legacy of James Baldwin, Bayard Rustin, Queen Latifah and countless other black icons be set aside to make sure blk children don't look up to them?

I'm really trying to understand the end game of all this decrying the gay agenda. Once we all come to an understanding as a ppl that homosexuality is an abomination than what is the next move? We send our cousins, nephews, nieces, sisters and brothers to an island and separate them from us? Do y'all have a reform school to send them to to bring them back to the heterosexual fold?

Seriously, what the fuck is the point of all of this?

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:53 PM

81. "RE: if being gay is not natural then what?"
In response to Reply # 54

>What do u propose we do with the thousands of our ppl who
>identify as such?

What do you mean? You're saying this like their orphans or something and don't have a place to live. But to just answer this question we do nothing and we don't promote this behaviour on television and media. Simple.

>Should their behaviour be criminalized since y'all love
>comparing it to pedophilia?

No, but the point of him comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is because both have something to do with your preferred sexual partners. Has nothing to do with the criminality of both. Some can even argue that pedophilia is not even a crime considering the many countries where it is accepted. To add to that the age of consent varies across this country alone.

>Should the legacy of James Baldwin, Bayard Rustin, Queen
>Latifah and countless other black icons be set aside to make
>sure blk children don't look up to them?

LOL... in your feelings.

>I'm really trying to understand the end game of all this
>decrying the gay agenda. Once we all come to an understanding
>as a ppl that homosexuality is an abomination than what is the
>next move?

Just stop promoting it. Simple. It's like it's cool if that's your lifestyle but goddammit leave it out of my children's face. They shouldn't be able to just turn on the T.V. and see two guys smothering each other with kisses. It's just not right to me. How does promoting or even accepting homosexuality help our society? It's helps nobody but homosexuals to feel accepted, there will be many children who will experiment with homosexuality only because they see it on T.V. and think it's cool and may later on in life want to kill themselves for making such a mistake. Most gays don't care about this tho what they care about is their acceptance only.

>We send our cousins, nephews, nieces, sisters and
>brothers to an island and separate them from us? Do y'all have
>a reform school to send them to to bring them back to the
>heterosexual fold?

There are some programs in place across the country where there are actual people whom used to believe they were then gay realized how wrong it was, how it doesn't benefit our society and have transformed into heterosexual males. Why don't you do a bit of research before jumping the gun with your statements?

>Seriously, what the fuck is the point of all of this?

SMH

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bentagain
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:57 PM

84. "Homosexuality is not a modern phenomena"
In response to Reply # 81
Tue Sep-01-15 01:00 PM by bentagain

to intimate that the media or single parents are the cause is a lie.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:18 PM

90. "RE: Homosexuality is not a modern phenomena"
In response to Reply # 84

>to intimate that the media or single parents are the cause is
>a lie.

It surely isn't but the acceptance and promoting of homosexuality is and that is where we are making the wrong turn. Children are not sure about their sexuality by homosexuality being so visible to children it can only lead to confusion. That is the basis of my argument and I'm sticking to it.

I didn't say media was a cause. but it doesn't help either.

>"How does promoting or even accepting homosexuality help our
>society?"
>
>all of us, or none of us
>
>what you should be concerned about, assuming you aren't gay
>
>is the mistreatment of any member of our society
>
>pretend it's okay as long as it's them
>
>don't be surprised when it's you.

I didn't say anything about over sighting their mistreatment that is what you want to believe and that sucks because we as heterosexual men cannot seem to have an opinion although this shit affects our lives as well. More specifically our children.

So you're talking about mistreatment now.... well there are gay bashing laws out there so miss me with that... Everyone doesn't have to accept the gay lifestyle but that is what they are forcing on us and it is not right. Like I said I could care less if you are gay or not... My sister is gay... I just feel like that acts of affection should not be displayed on television. That's all... what's so wrong with me feeling this way?

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bentagain
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:24 PM

92. "what tv show made your sister gay?"
In response to Reply # 90

my issue, with your stance

is what does your suggestions look like

without being flat out discrimination

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:54 PM

106. "RE: what tv show made your sister gay?"
In response to Reply # 92

>my issue, with your stance
>
>is what does your suggestions look like
>
>without being flat out discrimination
>

Bro you keep going back to T.V. making people gay. STFU with that shit... I'm saying the displays of affection will confuse children... On one end they are being told by their parents who have their own personal view on homosexuality and may teach them that being gay is a bad thing but on the other hand it's clearly being shown on T.V. across America as if it's ok. What does that lead to? Confusion sir... Just be real. Once again we are not all entitled to accept homosexual lifestyle. My sister is like many other black women in this country, she was turned off by the ways men act in our society today. She wasn't born gay... she decided to be that way just like pretty much everyone else does. Some gay people will say they made a choice and some may say they were born that. The truth is everything is learned and you are not born any specific way in regards to sexual preference.

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double negative
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:34 PM

121. "confuse children? this is an adult construct. children are pure beings"
In response to Reply # 106

pure love
pure intention

they will look at two whoevers loving each other and just go "ok, um...can i have a cookie?"

they don't carry the psychological weight adults carry

but, the basis of your argument hinges on the fact that you think its a choice.

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:55 PM

129. "RE: confuse children? this is an adult construct. children are pure bein..."
In response to Reply # 121

>pure love
>pure intention
>
>
>they will look at two whoevers loving each other and just go
>"ok, um...can i have a cookie?"
>
>they don't carry the psychological weight adults carry
>
>
>but, the basis of your argument hinges on the fact that you
>think its a choice.

What?... Children become adults and what they learn as children affects them as adults. A child can be taught to respect women at home by their parents but also look at T.V., listen to music and decide that disrespecting women is ok. This scenario is no different. Homosexuality is a behavior as just being disrespectful is... it is a choice in many situations... may not be all but it is a choice. If you can argue that being gay is natural then you can also argue that being interested in having sex with minors is natural. If you know anything about child molesters you'd know that many cannot control their urges for children which is a mental thing yet these people can be punished for it. Same thing can be said for a male wanting to have sex with other males. There's no real benefit to this lifestyle besides personal satisfaction. IMO both of these lifestyles are by choice at the end of the day.

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Sarah_Bellum
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Fri Sep-04-15 10:57 PM

401. "Punky Brewster..."
In response to Reply # 92

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Fri Sep-04-15 10:58 PM

402. "Blues Clues..."
In response to Reply # 92

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Fri Sep-04-15 11:00 PM

403. "Sifl & Olly..."
In response to Reply # 92

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Fri Sep-04-15 11:03 PM

404. "CSI: Christopher St. - Special Lesbian Unit"
In response to Reply # 92

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405. "Desperate House Studs of Atlanta"
In response to Reply # 92

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406. "Sons of Patriarchy - Camel Toe"
In response to Reply # 92

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Fri Sep-04-15 11:14 PM

407. "Different Strokes"
In response to Reply # 92

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408. "V..."
In response to Reply # 92

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:25 PM

93. "You can feel that way all you want. Raise your kids how you see fit too."
In response to Reply # 90

Just don't act surprised when your opposition sees you for the enemy you're portraying yourself to be and acts accordingly.

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:59 PM

108. "RE: You can feel that way all you want. Raise your kids how you see fit ..."
In response to Reply # 93

>Just don't act surprised when your opposition sees you for
>the enemy you're portraying yourself to be and acts
>accordingly.

By putting these images on T.V. they already are lmao...

LMAO at your response.

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Tue Sep-01-15 03:03 PM

132. "well he will be around as a father figure so...no gay kids. "
In response to Reply # 93

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Moonlit_Force
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Tue Sep-01-15 07:16 PM

171. "And maybe no gay sister either if she decides to act accordingly."
In response to Reply # 132

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ILLwiLL132
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217 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 09:01 PM

177. "RE: And maybe no gay sister either if she decides to act accordingly."
In response to Reply # 171

My sister can be gay all that she wants and you anybody else can do the same... That's their life and their adult decision if they are adults making that decision. My whole argument on this is about how it is so accepted in society especially black and is being promoted on T.V. and thus aiding in influencing children to make childhood mistakes that could ruin their MINDS if they at some point realize that they are actually straight. I just see problems that you seem to not be able to visualize that is all. LIVE YOUR LIFE... OK!

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:05 PM

87. " Being gay as far as Black folks in the USA I would say is a symptom"
In response to Reply # 54

of the sickness that is Western(white capitalism) society.

I don't care what yall do in your spare time honestly but those values are foreign to me.

Yall go to extremism because no one is saying lock up all the gay folk or discredit anything someone did because they were gay.

But before we become super accepting (Piscean trait btw) of some social wave that is outside of our influence lets see how and who it benefits.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:10 PM

88. "Being gay is a symptom of nature, period."
In response to Reply # 87
Tue Sep-01-15 01:10 PM by Starbaby Jones

It exists in over 14,000 species on this planet. Cats try extra hard to be clever, when all you have to do is look at the natural world and you will observe all manner of sexual behaviors, because they're instinctive.

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:41 PM

98. "Yes animals display same sex acts but they are animals"
In response to Reply # 88

we are animals at our base level which a lot of people want to keep us stuck at.

Outside of PURE PLEASURE what FUNCTION does HOMOSEXUALITY serve?

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:47 PM

102. "Population control..."
In response to Reply # 98

>Outside of PURE PLEASURE what FUNCTION does HOMOSEXUALITY
>serve?

and the fact is we are animals. You can't invoke the base biological instinct to reproduce and simultaneously ignore nature's mean of controlling overpopulation.

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:53 PM

105. "AHHH yes who sold you this myth that we need population control?"
In response to Reply # 102

who's world view is that?

In fact most of the world lives off of under 5$ a day and doesn't consume as much as the post industrial, imperial, colonizers of the planet who consume, destroy and pollute much more.

Ironically population growth is promoted in this countries(birth rates in European/ western nations is damn near 0)

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:05 PM

112. "Diminishing natural resources isn't a myth. "
In response to Reply # 105

Are you one of those people that thinks climate change and its effects aren't real? If so, we can just stop here.

>In fact most of the world lives off of under 5$ a day and
>doesn't consume as much as the post industrial, imperial,
>colonizers of the planet who consume, destroy and pollute much
>more.

The thing is large swaths of the world's population is concentrated heavily in industrialized areas who do consume, destroy and pollute the planet's natural resources at an alarming rate.

The amount of money it takes to live outside of those areas isn't really relevant to this dialogue. That's an economic issue, so I'm not sure why you brought it up.

>Ironically population growth is promoted in this
>countries(birth rates in European/ western nations is damn
>near 0)

I don't know what the hell you're going for here.

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:13 PM

113. "Never said it was but ostracizing, killing, hiding reusable energy sourc..."
In response to Reply # 112

is a product of western (white capitalism) greed.

Solar panel technology

hydrogen fuel technology

wind energy

etc etc etc

A majority of the world is not consuming a majority of it's natural resources.

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:20 PM

115. "I agree,"
In response to Reply # 113

but how does any of that relate to homosexuality? Like, I'm lost as to what this has to do with the original conversation. Is your assertion that homosexuality a creation of western civilization? Because observing nature, as well human history, would dictate otherwise.

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:30 PM

120. "I asked what purpose does homosexuality serve outside of pleasure you sa..."
In response to Reply # 115

population control and I said who said we needed population control. Darker nations and people get birth control and all the bs while white nations promote fertility and child birth.

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:49 PM

125. "Is this one of the white nations you're talking about?"
In response to Reply # 120

Because birth control/family planning is definitely promoted here. The only people trying to take it away is crazy ass right wingers who are heavy on that bible ish.

The earth only has finite resources. At some point, we have to be more cognizant about the rates at which we're populating.

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
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Wed Sep-02-15 10:40 AM

198. "The population doesn't need to be controlled death does that for us"
In response to Reply # 102

The Earth is to be mastered and maintained and we don't do that. The reason why is equal to why all creatures behave in a state of disharmony.

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 12:29 PM

205. "Our life expectancy has been steadily increasing. "
In response to Reply # 198

Mainly, because with scientific advances, we've figured out ways to live much longer than we used to. It's hard to see that because we're fed so much information about murder, diseases, etc. But humans have done a pretty good job of defying nature and figuring out how to be here longer. Combine that with us not living in harmony with nature, as you noted, means we're here much longer and in increasing numbers consuming finite resources. Something, somewhere has got to give.

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Atillah Moor
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Wed Sep-02-15 01:39 PM

214. "irrelevant due to any number of extinction level events being possible"
In response to Reply # 205
Wed Sep-02-15 01:41 PM by Atillah Moor

plague, famine, asteroid impacts, war, disease, climate change. The Earth can shake us off like fleas on any given day, but I agree that something must give.

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 01:55 PM

215. "Word, but we're operating like an extinction level event"
In response to Reply # 214

We're consuming or contaminating resources like their infinite. We're making other plants and animals extinct with our behavior. We're friggin affecting the climate. If we could find a way to live in harmony with nature, we probably could be okay. There, however, doesn't seem to be much will on a massive level to move in that direction. So, population control will have to come into play, probably sooner than we think.

That said, I don't want to box in population control as the only reason for homosexuality. It's just one possible of many possibles for homosexuality to exist in nature. It's just one of the more obvious answers.

There's a myriad of shit in the natural world we don't fully understand. This is just one more of them. I can just tell you that with my lived experiences and the lived experiences that have been documented by others, most don't say they had a choice in what gender they were attracted to. Why is that? I don't know, but that doesn't make it any less innate.

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Atillah Moor
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:14 PM

223. "I would agree with most of that as well. "
In response to Reply # 215

however I think population control is something that represents how much disharmony there is within mankind. Truth be told it's already being practiced in the form of police killing the poor and black, refugees being left to die, child hunger being largely unaddressed, etc. I think all of these fall into one category and that's the human condition.

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:49 PM

238. "Agreed, and that's a whole other conversation. "
In response to Reply # 223

To bring it back to the overarching conversation about homosexuality. Nature finds a way for homosexuality across multiple species and control the numbers so it doesn't threaten the overall population. I don't get why people don't see the same thing in humans.

It's not that there are more gay folks now than there have been. We're just more verbal about our existence. Our existence, however, shouldn't threaten the overarching population of heterosexuals. It really ain't that deep, it's part of the varied human experienced. Respecting gay folks, will not bring about the demise of heterosexuality.

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 01:08 PM

212. "Stupid fucking argument"
In response to Reply # 98

>Outside of PURE PLEASURE what FUNCTION does HOMOSEXUALITY
>serve?

No one should even entertain this bullshit.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Wed Sep-02-15 02:59 PM

217. "RE: Stupid fucking argument"
In response to Reply # 212

>>Outside of PURE PLEASURE what FUNCTION does HOMOSEXUALITY
>>serve?
>
>No one should even entertain this bullshit.
>

This is actually a good question... Why shouldn't people entertain that question?

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quadrush
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:04 PM

219. "Would you ask a women "
In response to Reply # 217

Who is unable to have children the same thing?

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Atillah Moor
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:33 PM

231. "Not exactly a balanced equation "
In response to Reply # 219

The act of heterosexual intercourse is meant to be pleasurable for a number of reasons. One of them being in order to make the process of procreating enjoyable. A woman who can not bear children has a biological problem as all women should be able to bear children* just as all birds should be able to lay eggs.

If a woman can not have children she can still enjoy sex because sex is meant to be enjoyable between both partners and bring them closer together as partners and help keep them together, but underneath that is the primary biological reason of pro-creation.

What is the biological reason for male to male sex? What is the fruit of that labor? A man will still ejaculate sperm that if it functions properly would create life but there is absolutely no way any life can come from such a union. Therefore that life is wasted from the start and not due to biological misfortune as is the case with an infertile woman. This makes the act itself inherently wasteful as the man's ability to create life is wasted despite the fact that it may promote a type of intimacy, however that seems to align with what Dr.Umar was saying about the father figure.

*Also an infertile man is a product of biological misfortune as all men should be able to produce viable sperm.

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quadrush
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:51 PM

239. "I can't with yall"
In response to Reply # 231

You already know the answer but want to make it something else.

2wice I just typed a whole bunch of shit but decided to just erase it. It doesn't matter. You won't care.

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Utamaroho
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:10 PM

248. "wow!"
In response to Reply # 231

so many holes. *no pun intended*

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:35 PM

253. "RE: wow!"
In response to Reply # 248

Well point em out instead of responding like this. What help does this do?

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quadrush
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:00 PM

258. "RE: Not exactly a balanced equation "
In response to Reply # 231

>The act of heterosexual intercourse is meant to be
>pleasurable for a number of reasons. One of them being in
>order to make the process of procreating enjoyable. A woman
>who can not bear children has a biological problem as all
>women should be able to bear children* just as all birds
>should be able to lay eggs.

first, I love the way we are making "relationships" hetero or otherwise all about sex. Anyway, do you think that Homosexual sex is not enjoyable? Is that why you are explaining to me that hetero sex is enjoyable?

>If a woman can not have children she can still enjoy sex
>because sex is meant to be enjoyable between both partners and
>bring them closer together as partners and help keep them
>together, but underneath that is the primary biological reason
>of pro-creation.

The thing you pointed out about hetero sex, it works the same way with homo sex.

>What is the biological reason for male to male sex? What is
>the fruit of that labor? A man will still ejaculate sperm that
>if it functions properly would create life but there is
>absolutely no way any life can come from such a union.
>Therefore that life is wasted from the start and not due to
>biological misfortune as is the case with an infertile woman.
>This makes the act itself inherently wasteful as the man's
>ability to create life is wasted despite the fact that it may
>promote a type of intimacy, however that seems to align with
>what Dr.Umar was saying about the father figure.

So what do you do about masturbation? What about couples that can procreate but choose not to? You are basically saying that if kids aren't at the end of it, the relationship is not valid.

>*Also an infertile man is a product of biological misfortune
>as all men should be able to produce viable sperm.

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ILLwiLL132
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:26 PM

263. "RE: Not exactly a balanced equation "
In response to Reply # 258

What can come from homosexual sex? A nut. If you take the nut away then what do you have? Nothing.

What can come from heterosexual sex? A nut and a new life. you take away the nut then what do you have? A new life.

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quadrush
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:32 PM

265. "RE: Not exactly a balanced equation "
In response to Reply # 263

>What can come from homosexual sex? A nut. If you take the nut
>away then what do you have? Nothing.

>What can come from heterosexual sex? A nut and a new life. you
>take away the nut then what do you have? A new life.

You are fucking stupid. How the fuck you get a new life without the nut.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:12 PM

274. "RE: Not exactly a balanced equation "
In response to Reply # 265

OMG you are slow...

Besides the nut what do you have? Nothing

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:39 PM

266. "But gay people's reproductive functions still work. "
In response to Reply # 263

If we want to have a kid, we can. It's a fairly easy hurdle to overcome. So, I don't understand this emphasis on procreation. We have the ability to procreate and often do.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:15 PM

275. "RE: But gay people's reproductive functions still work. "
In response to Reply # 266

>If we want to have a kid, we can. It's a fairly easy hurdle
>to overcome. So, I don't understand this emphasis on
>procreation. We have the ability to procreate and often do.

he asked this question so I responded as to why it is a valid question. Once again outside of you personal satifaction and pleasure what function does homosexuality serve?

212. "Stupid fucking argument"
In response to Reply # 98

>Outside of PURE PLEASURE what FUNCTION does HOMOSEXUALITY
>serve?

No one should even entertain this bullshit.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 06:21 PM

277. "RE: But gay people's reproductive functions still work. "
In response to Reply # 275

>he asked this question so I responded as to why it is a valid
>question. Once again outside of you personal satifaction and
>pleasure what function does homosexuality serve?

They psychological and physiological health benefits of being in a committed relationship with another human being. There are a myriad of benefits to being in a long-term relationship that aren't related to procreation.

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
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Thu Sep-03-15 09:48 AM

320. "You're playing hopscotch "
In response to Reply # 258

>>The act of heterosexual intercourse is meant to be
>>pleasurable for a number of reasons. One of them being in
>>order to make the process of procreating enjoyable. A woman
>>who can not bear children has a biological problem as all
>>women should be able to bear children* just as all birds
>>should be able to lay eggs.
>
>first, I love the way we are making "relationships" hetero or
>otherwise all about sex.

The act of heterosexual intercourse is meant to be pleasurable for a number of reasons. So that statement fails as I said "number of reasons" meaning not just sex.

Anyway, do you think that Homosexual
>sex is not enjoyable? Is that why you are explaining to me
>that hetero sex is enjoyable?

No I'm explaining that neither physical satisfaction nor emotional intimacy are the sole purpose of hetero sex-- procreation is; however when procreation is not possible the other aspects can still (hopefully) be enjoyed. However-- in a world without defect all sex would result in pregnancy whereas gay sex will never result in one partner fulfilling the primary role of sexual intercourse.

>>If a woman can not have children she can still enjoy sex
>>because sex is meant to be enjoyable between both partners
>and
>>bring them closer together as partners and help keep them
>>together, but underneath that is the primary biological
>reason
>>of pro-creation.
>
>The thing you pointed out about hetero sex, it works the same
>way with homo sex.

you skipped over this:
Underneath that is the primary biological reason of pro-creation. The primary function is to produce offspring. That is what sex has always been about-- reproducing. Gay sex is not about reproducing right?

>>What is the biological reason for male to male sex? What is
>>the fruit of that labor? A man will still ejaculate sperm
>that
>>if it functions properly would create life but there is
>>absolutely no way any life can come from such a union.
>>Therefore that life is wasted from the start and not due to
>>biological misfortune as is the case with an infertile
>woman.
>>This makes the act itself inherently wasteful as the man's
>>ability to create life is wasted despite the fact that it
>may
>>promote a type of intimacy, however that seems to align with
>>what Dr.Umar was saying about the father figure.
>
>So what do you do about masturbation? What about couples that
>can procreate but choose not to? You are basically saying that
>if kids aren't at the end of it, the relationship is not
>valid.

No that's not what I'm saying and you know that. I think we can all agree that masturbation is wasteful and self serving without even looking at it through any sort of moral lens of right or wrong (and I'm not implying that we should be).

The relationship does not need sex to be valid-- sex however needs procreation in order to be valid as it has always been meant to produce children there is no refuting that unless you'd like to argue that we've "evolved" beyond the need to reproduce.

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:28 PM

264. "Since when can't gay people reproduce?"
In response to Reply # 231

Our equipment still works. If we want or need to have children, we can.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:49 PM

267. "RE: Since when can't gay people reproduce?"
In response to Reply # 264

So you can stick your prick in another male and get him pregnant?

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Starbaby Jones
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5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 05:53 PM

268. "No, but I can ejaculate in a cup and have it fertilize an egg"
In response to Reply # 267

Science is wonderful. You can do all sorts of shit.

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ILLwiLL132
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:02 PM

"RE: No, but I can ejaculate in a cup and have it fertilize an egg"

Yeah how cool.

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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:11 PM

89. "but homosexuality existed in Africa before the European set foot on the ..."
In response to Reply # 87

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:36 PM

96. "So what we ain't talking bout them"
In response to Reply # 89

we talking bout a people who suffer from all kinds of sickness because of their environment and colonization.

Yall really think sexuality is going to fall outside of that.

I won't even get into all of the child molestation by same and opposite sex.

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:22 PM

116. "Why do y'all always lump in pedophilia with the gay?"
In response to Reply # 96

They are two separate things. Not to mention that most pedophiles are straight.

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:56 PM

130. "RE: Why do y'all always lump in pedophilia with the gay?"
In response to Reply # 116

See 81

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 03:15 PM

133. "You're referring to this?"
In response to Reply # 130

No, but the point of him comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is because both have something to do with your preferred sexual partners. Has nothing to do with the criminality of both. Some can even argue that pedophilia is not even a crime considering the many countries where it is accepted. To add to that the age of consent varies across this country alone.

because, what if I did this...

Lets compare heterosexuality to pedophilia, because both have something to do with your preferred sexual partners. It has nothing to do with the criminality of both. Some can even argue that pedophilia is not even a crime considering the many countries where it is accepted. To add to that the age of consent varies across this country alone. Further, since most pedophiles are heterosexual, there's even more basis of a comparison.

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:34 PM

137. "RE: You're referring to this?"
In response to Reply # 133

>No, but the point of him comparing homosexuality to
>pedophilia is because both have something to do with your
>preferred sexual partners. Has nothing to do with the
>criminality of both. Some can even argue that pedophilia is
>not even a crime considering the many countries where it is
>accepted. To add to that the age of consent varies across this
>country alone.
>
>
>because, what if I did this...
>
>Lets compare heterosexuality to pedophilia, because both have
>something to do with your preferred sexual partners. It has
>nothing to do with the criminality of both. Some can even
>argue that pedophilia is not even a crime considering the many
>countries where it is accepted. To add to that the age of
>consent varies across this country alone. Further, since most
>pedophiles are heterosexual, there's even more basis of a
>comparison.

The point in this? lol... they are all sexual behaviors so they are all comparable. You're acting as if there aren't gay pedophiles.... LMAO at this dumb shit. I can't believe you just said pedophiles are heterosexual.

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:52 PM

140. "The VAST majority of pedophiles are heterosexual."
In response to Reply # 137
Tue Sep-01-15 03:53 PM by Starbaby Jones

The ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles is approximately 11:1. These things are easily checked by my good friend Google. It's actually been tracked. You can have your opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

I never argued that there weren't homosexual pedophiles. I'm saying comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is flawed, when you consider that the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual. It was a dumb ass comparison to begin with.

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 04:23 PM

149. "RE: The VAST majority of pedophiles are heterosexual."
In response to Reply # 140

>The ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles is
>approximately 11:1. These things are easily checked by my good
>friend Google. It's actually been tracked. You can have your
>opinion, but you can't have your own facts.
>
>I never argued that there weren't homosexual pedophiles. I'm
>saying comparing pedophilia to homosexuality is flawed, when
>you consider that the vast majority of pedophiles are
>heterosexual. It was a dumb ass comparison to begin with.

How is it a dumb comparison? It's dumb because you want it to be that way. You show me proof where it has been found that there is a gay gene of some sort. You can't because you don't have the facts, you can have your opinion. Who cares if heterosexuals are more associated with pedophilia then homosexuals they both do it and I said in an earlier post that Pedophilia can be argued as to its validity anyway. Whether you are comparing homosexuality or heterosexuality to pedophilia, makes no difference. Your responses are very dumb IMO.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 04:33 PM

150. "Dear god, you're an idiot. "
In response to Reply # 149
Tue Sep-01-15 04:34 PM by Starbaby Jones

It's a dumb comparison, because sexual orientation is not an indicator for whether or not a person is a pedophile. Despite the fact that most pedophiles are heterosexuals, it's only pulled in comparison to homosexuality. Much in the same way white people like to act like only black people use welfare, when the numbers show the vast majority of welfare recipients are white.

Show me the proof where you chose your heterosexuality. You don't even have to show me a study. Identify the moment when you weighed your options regarding sexual orientation and consciously decided that heterosexuality. I'm highly doubtful you can do that.

You know as well as I that pedophilia is far different than a relationship between consenting adults. An adult being attracted to children is worlds apart from someone simply being attracted to the same sex. You can't minimalize it preference for children, as if it's like having a preference for blonds over brunettes.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 05:06 PM

154. "RE: Dear god, you're an idiot. "
In response to Reply # 150

>It's a dumb comparison, because sexual orientation is not an
>indicator for whether or not a person is a pedophile.

Who said it was an indicator?

Despite
>the fact that most pedophiles are heterosexuals, it's only
>pulled in comparison to homosexuality. Much in the same way
>white people like to act like only black people use welfare,
>when the numbers show the vast majority of welfare recipients
>are white.

Wait What?

>Show me the proof where you chose your heterosexuality. You
>don't even have to show me a study. Identify the moment when
>you weighed your options regarding sexual orientation and
>consciously decided that heterosexuality. I'm highly doubtful
>you can do that.

Nigga, my proof of choice is that I don't get in the bed with other males. You don't think there are men out here who experiment in homosexual behavior.There's plenty women who were straight and have children who are now gay. There are many men who were straight and have children who are now gay as a result of a choice they made. I could decide today that I don't want women anymore and wanna get down wit men and then bam I'm gay.

>You know as well as I that pedophilia is far different than a
>relationship between consenting adults.

Ok forget it cause you don't understand or even want to understand.

Nobody is born gay. There may be chemical imbalance in the brain, environmental factors, and biological factors, combined that can lead someone to a decision of being gay. if we are born with our sexual preferences we would be able to conduct test to see if when your baby is born whether or not he/she will be gay or not. We cannot determine that, the child that grows into an adult determines that. It's a choice.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 05:44 PM

162. "So, you considered having sex with men and chose not to?"
In response to Reply # 154
Tue Sep-01-15 05:45 PM by Starbaby Jones

>>It's a dumb comparison, because sexual orientation is not
>an
>>indicator for whether or not a person is a pedophile.
>
>Who said it was an indicator?

That's what's implied when you compare the two, because I've never seen someone compare heterosexuality with pedophilia.

> Despite
>>the fact that most pedophiles are heterosexuals, it's only
>>pulled in comparison to homosexuality. Much in the same way
>>white people like to act like only black people use welfare,
>>when the numbers show the vast majority of welfare
>recipients
>>are white.
>
>Wait What?

Clearly you have issues with reading comprehension.

>>Show me the proof where you chose your heterosexuality. You
>>don't even have to show me a study. Identify the moment when
>>you weighed your options regarding sexual orientation and
>>consciously decided that heterosexuality. I'm highly
>doubtful
>>you can do that.
>
>Nigga, my proof of choice is that I don't get in the bed with
>other males. You don't think there are men out here who
>experiment in homosexual behavior.There's plenty women who
>were straight and have children who are now gay. There are
>many men who were straight and have children who are now gay
>as a result of a choice they made. I could decide today that I
>don't want women anymore and wanna get down wit men and then
>bam I'm gay.

Did you ever consider having sex with men? Or were you inherently drawn to having sex with women and acted on that? Choice comes into play with how you act on your desires, but you don't choose your desires. If you did, please articulate when you actively chose to be attracted to women. I'll wait.

>>You know as well as I that pedophilia is far different than
>a
>>relationship between consenting adults.
>
>Ok forget it cause you don't understand or even want to
>understand.
>
>Nobody is born gay. There may be chemical imbalance in the
>brain, environmental factors, and biological factors, combined
>that can lead someone to a decision of being gay. if we are
>born with our sexual preferences we would be able to conduct
>test to see if when your baby is born whether or not he/she
>will be gay or not. We cannot determine that, the child that
>grows into an adult determines that. It's a choice.

Studies on homosexuality are relatively new, but who's to say there won't be a test. I don't understand how anyone would think in our society someone would choose to be gay. Why would anybody choose to combat the ignorance of fucktards like you for their basic ass right to exist? The crazy thing is even if people do choose to be gay, so the fuck what?

Religion is a choice, but we have no problem affording people freedoms and respect on that basis. Far more people have been killed, tortured and psychologically fucked up in the name of religion than could ever be attributed to homosexuality.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 06:19 PM

167. "RE: So, you considered having sex with men and chose not to?"
In response to Reply # 162

>>>It's a dumb comparison, because sexual orientation is not
>>an
>>>indicator for whether or not a person is a pedophile.
>>
>>Who said it was an indicator?
>
>That's what's implied when you compare the two, because I've
>never seen someone compare heterosexuality with pedophilia.
>

So I tell you exactly why I compared the two and you get that I implied that it was an indicator. FOH.

>> Despite
>>>the fact that most pedophiles are heterosexuals, it's only
>>>pulled in comparison to homosexuality. Much in the same way
>>>white people like to act like only black people use
>welfare,
>>>when the numbers show the vast majority of welfare
>>recipients
>>>are white.
>>
>>Wait What?
>
>Clearly you have issues with reading comprehension.
>
That shit just doesn't make sense.

>>>Show me the proof where you chose your heterosexuality. You
>>>don't even have to show me a study. Identify the moment
>when
>>>you weighed your options regarding sexual orientation and
>>>consciously decided that heterosexuality. I'm highly
>>doubtful
>>>you can do that.
>>
>>Nigga, my proof of choice is that I don't get in the bed
>with
>>other males. You don't think there are men out here who
>>experiment in homosexual behavior.There's plenty women who
>>were straight and have children who are now gay. There are
>>many men who were straight and have children who are now gay
>>as a result of a choice they made. I could decide today that
>I
>>don't want women anymore and wanna get down wit men and then
>>bam I'm gay.
>
>Did you ever consider having sex with men?
No I have never had the desire to sleep with men, but there are men who have and have acted on that urge. But listen man people get urges and desires all the time to kill people but don't act on it. Does that make them a bad person in any way? NO. So a man can have an urge or desire for another man and not act on it does that make him homosexual? NO. Same thing for having the urge to sleep with children.

Or were you
inherently drawn to having sex with women and acted on that?

They are what I liked from the jump but I also knew that I could have children with women.

>Choice comes into play with how you act on your desires, but
>you don't choose your desires.

You don't choose your desires but you choose to act on them.

>If you did, please articulate
>when you actively chose to be attracted to women. I'll wait.

You so damn dumb.... I didn't choose to desire women inherently I desired women and I chose to have sexual experience with them.

I've said this already but here it goes again. There may be chemical imbalance in the brain, environmental factors, and biological factors, combined that can lead someone to a decision of being gay. My sister is gay once again. Please note.

>>>You know as well as I that pedophilia is far different than
>>a
>>>relationship between consenting adults.
>>
>>Ok forget it cause you don't understand or even want to
>>understand.
>>
>>Nobody is born gay. There may be chemical imbalance in the
>>brain, environmental factors, and biological factors,
>combined
>>that can lead someone to a decision of being gay. if we are
>>born with our sexual preferences we would be able to conduct
>>test to see if when your baby is born whether or not he/she
>>will be gay or not. We cannot determine that, the child that
>>grows into an adult determines that. It's a choice.
>
>Studies on homosexuality are relatively new, but who's to say
>there won't be a test.

Well there aint none now homie. So you cannot disprove my assumptions.

I don't understand how anyone would
>think in our society someone would choose to be gay.

Cause that's what they want to do. LMFAO

Why would
>anybody choose to combat the ignorance of fucktards like you
>for their basic ass right to exist?

You dumb I didn't say they can't exist. Just keep this shit from in front of my kids on the T.V. screen. Simple.

And How am I ignorant and I have a sister that is gay. Get out your feelings lil boy.

The crazy thing is even if
>people do choose to be gay, so the fuck what?

Exactly... So what. I didn't say you can't be gay, I said being such is a choice. Do you see that you are going on a tangent with your responses?

>Religion is a choice, but we have no problem affording people
>freedoms and respect on that basis. Far more people have been
>killed, tortured and psychologically fucked up in the name of
>religion than could ever be attributed to homosexuality.

I'm done with you.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Tue Sep-01-15 07:27 PM

172. "You literally just conceded to being born heterosexual. "
In response to Reply # 167
Tue Sep-01-15 07:30 PM by Starbaby Jones

>You so damn dumb.... I didn't choose to desire women
>inherently I desired women and I chose to have sexual
>experience with them.

Substitute the genders and this is the exact same argument for being born gay. You so damn dumb, you made my point for me.

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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 09:01 PM

176. "checkmate"
In response to Reply # 172

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Wed Sep-02-15 10:23 AM

197. "RE: You literally just conceded to being born heterosexual. "
In response to Reply # 172
Wed Sep-02-15 10:51 AM by ILLwiLL132

>>You so damn dumb.... I didn't choose to desire women
>>inherently I desired women and I chose to have sexual
>>experience with them.
>
>Substitute the genders and this is the exact same argument for
>being born gay. You so damn dumb, you made my point for me.
>
>Have a good day!

When my statement clearly says I chose. I could've chosen to not have any sexual relations in my life at all, What would that make me then? Heterosexual? Nigga if I have a desire to kill people and don't act on it does that make me a born killer? You niggas are weird.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 11:47 AM

200. "So, you clearly don't understand sexual orientation. "
In response to Reply # 197

Here's a definition for you...

sex·u·al o·ri·en·ta·tion
noun
a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted; the fact of being heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.

It's about what gender you're attracted to, not who choose to have sex with. The choice comes in with sexual behavior, which is completely different. There have been plenty of people that have participated in sexual behavior that doesn't match their sexual orientation. I can just see right now, you're too ill-informed to have this conversation. Hit the books, skip, you're out of your depth.

>When my statement clearly says I chose. I could've chosen to
>not have any sexual relations in my life at all, What would
>that make me then? Heterosexual?

If you were still attracted to women, then, yes, you would be heterosexual. There are plenty of people who are virgins well into adulthood. Depending on who they're attracted to, they can be either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or even pansexual. Again, we're talking sexual orientation, not sexual behavior.

Nigga if I have a desire to
>kill people and don't act on it does that make me a born
>killer? You niggas are weird.

Possibly, if you have a sociopathic disorder. Nigga, I ain't weird, I'm well-read, which you clearly are not.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 12:03 PM

201. "RE: So, you clearly don't understand sexual orientation. "
In response to Reply # 200

>Here's a definition for you...
>
>sex·u·al o·ri·en·ta·tion
>noun
>a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which
>they are attracted; the fact of being heterosexual,
>homosexual, or bisexual.
>
>It's about what gender you're attracted to, not who choose to
>have sex with. The choice comes in with sexual behavior, which
>is completely different. There have been plenty of people that
>have participated in sexual behavior that doesn't match their
>sexual orientation. I can just see right now, you're too
>ill-informed to have this conversation. Hit the books, skip,
>you're out of your depth.

>
>>When my statement clearly says I chose. I could've chosen to
>>not have any sexual relations in my life at all, What would
>>that make me then? Heterosexual?
>
>If you were still attracted to women, then, yes, you would be
>heterosexual. There are plenty of people who are virgins well
>into adulthood. Depending on who they're attracted to, they
>can be either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or even
>pansexual. Again, we're talking sexual orientation, not sexual
>behavior.
>

>Nigga if I have a desire to
>>kill people and don't act on it does that make me a born
>>killer? You niggas are weird.
>
>Possibly, if you have a sociopathic disorder. Nigga, I ain't
>weird, I'm well-read, which you clearly are not.

Ok since you think you're educating someone with a word that is not even telling me anything. Since you think that I am not well-read...Here's some quote's from the american psychiatric association for you. Are you gonna disprove the people who actually study this shit. I'm highly educated homie because I am on the opposing side of what you think does not make me wrong champ. Get your reading up nigga.

"No one knows what causes heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality. Homosexuality was once thought to be the result of troubled family dynamics or faulty psychological development. Those assumptions are now understood to have been based on misinformation and prejudice. Currently there is a renewed interest in searching for biological etiologies for homosexuality. However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality. Similarly, no specific psychosocial or family dynamic cause for homosexuality has been identified, including histories of childhood sexual abuse. Sexual abuse does not appear to be more prevalent in children who grow up to identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual, than in children who identify as heterosexual."

The American Psychological Association stated, in its article titled "Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality," published on its website apa.org (accessed Mar. 12, 2015):
"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation."

Mar. 12, 2015 - American Psychological Association

Mar. 12, 2015 - American Psychiatric Association

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001335

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 12:09 PM

202. "What you posted works more towards my point. "
In response to Reply # 201

>most people experience little or no sense of choice about
>their sexual orientation."

Like, did you even read what you posted?

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 12:30 PM

206. "It doesn't work toward your point at all... You are a reacher."
In response to Reply # 202

"No one knows what causes heterosexuality, homosexuality, or bisexuality."

That is all you need to see. I am saying that there are a number of factors that may lead you to be gay. You're saying that they are born gay but there are no scientific facts to back that statement. As the psychologists have stated. I for one cannot go with the idea that all gay people are born gay considering the many examples I have shown you already. I have a sister that is gay that tells me that she doesn't feel that she was born that way. It was a decision that she made just like many others.

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 12:46 PM

207. "No one knows what causes creativity. "
In response to Reply # 206
Wed Sep-02-15 12:46 PM by Starbaby Jones

We haven't found a gene for it. We don't know if it's related to brain chemistry. Yet, it's generally accepted as something natural born. You described your lived experience with your heterosexuality being innate. Many have described their sexual orientations as innate. Just because we haven't found the precise cause for it, doesn't mean it's any less innate. Your only proof of choice has been sexual behavior which is related, but not synonymous with sexual orientation.

>"No one knows what causes heterosexuality, homosexuality, or
>bisexuality."

>That is all you need to see. I am saying that there are a
>number of factors that may lead you to be gay. You're saying
>that they are born gay but there are no scientific facts to
>back that statement. As the psychologists have stated. I for
>one cannot go with the idea that all gay people are born gay
>considering the many examples I have shown you already. I have
>a sister that is gay that tells me that she doesn't feel that
>she was born that way. It was a decision that she made just
>like many others.

That same APA article stated that MOST, ie the majority of people had little to no choice in the matter. So, you're judging an entire community based on a clear minority. That's like judging all black people on the basis of one black person who has an ideology represented by the minority of the population. I'm not reaching for anything, but you clearly are.

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ILLwiLL132
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Wed Sep-02-15 01:02 PM

210. "RE: No one knows what causes creativity. "
In response to Reply # 207
Wed Sep-02-15 01:05 PM by ILLwiLL132

No I'm not bro... All I'm saying is that we cannot just strictly say being gay or straight is something you are when you are born as considering that not all are born that way. Many have decided to be gay, but not all. So you can't lump all gays into one category it is more complicated than you are trying to make it seem. You can have murderous thoughts but you are not a murderer until you have actually murdered someone. You can have homosexual thoughts, urges and even tendencies but you are not a homosexual until you have engaged in Homosexual activity. Neither one of us is correct bro...

Here's a quote from an actual gay person. Don't be a fool young brother.

Cynthia Nixon, Sex and the City co-star, was quoted in a Jan. 19, 2012 New York Times Magazine article titled "Life After 'Sex,'" written by Alex Witchel:
"or me, it is a choice. I understand that for many people it's not, but for me it's a choice, and you don't get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a choice, because if it's a choice, then we could opt out. I say it doesn’t matter if we flew here or we swam here, it matters that we are here and we are one group and let us stop trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and who is not…

Why can't it be a choice? Why is that any less legitimate? It seems we're just ceding this point to bigots who are demanding it, and I don't think that they should define the terms of the debate. I also feel like people think I was walking around in a cloud and didn't realize I was gay, which I find really offensive. I find it offensive to me, but I also find it offensive to all the men I’ve been out with."

Jan. 19, 2012 - Cynthia Nixon

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 01:27 PM

213. "I never spoke in absolutes. Dr Johnson did, and you agreed"
In response to Reply # 210

>No I'm not bro... All I'm saying is that we cannot just
>strictly say being gay or straight is something you are when
>you are born as considering that not all are born that way.

I've never discounted one's environment as a a factor, but you've been arguing vehemently that that it's not innate. I know, through my lived experience that it absolutely can be. I grew up with strong male role models. I was never molested. I grew up with healthy heteronormative relationships modeled all around me. I grew up with religion and my family's cultural leanings reinforcing that. Yet, I still had an innate desire to be with members of the same-sex. The only choice I made was to not deny myself happiness for the benefit and expectations of others. I, however, never actively chose to be attracted to members of the same sex. I've yet to meet a straight person, yourself included, who actively chose to be attracted to members of the opposite sex. Now, why is that? I don't know. No one knows, but that doesn't stop it from still being there with me since as long as I can remember.

>Many have decided to be gay, but not all. So you can't lump
>all gays into one category it is more complicated than you are
>trying to make it seem.

You're right about this. However, the VAST majority of gay say they didn't choose it. That's not to say all, but the majority. You happened to have had experience with the minority who said they chose it. That's fine. However, you have to acknowledge that your sister's experience represents a minority of the community and, therefore, shouldn't be applied as a reliable source of explication for understanding homosexuality.

You can have murderous thoughts but
>you are not a murderer until you have actually murdered
>someone.

Yes, but this isn't an applicable, because murder is about behavior. Sexual behavior is related to, but separate from sexual orientation. If someone is consumed with murderous thoughts and no conscience, they are generally regarded as a sociopath. So, a more apt comparison would be is a person born a sociopath, since it regards the thought process, rather than the behavior. And the answer to that question is roughly the same, we don't know for sure. Yet, it's still primarily accepted as innate.

You can have homosexual thoughts, urges and even
>tendencies but you are not a homosexual until you have engaged
>in Homosexual activity. Neither one of us is correct bro...

This is where you are wrong. Sexual orientation only refers to the thoughts, urges and tendencies regarding sexual attraction. Sexual behavior is related, but separate. Before you ever had sex with a woman, you were only attracted to women. So, you were heterosexual. You didn't just become heterosexual, when you were devirginized.

>Here's a quote from an actual gay person. Don't be a fool
>young brother.

>Cynthia Nixon, Sex and the City co-star, was quoted in a Jan.
>19, 2012 New York Times Magazine article titled "Life After
>'Sex,'" written by Alex Witchel:
>"or me, it is a choice. I understand that
>for many people it's not, but for me it's a choice, and you
>don't get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of
>our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a
>choice, because if it's a choice, then we could opt out. I say
>it doesn’t matter if we flew here or we swam here, it
>matters that we are here and we are one group and let us stop
>trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and who
>is not…
>
>Why can't it be a choice? Why is that any less legitimate? It
>seems we're just ceding this point to bigots who are demanding
>it, and I don't think that they should define the terms of the
>debate. I also feel like people think I was walking around in
>a cloud and didn't realize I was gay, which I find really
>offensive. I find it offensive to me, but I also find it
>offensive to all the men I’ve been out with."
>
>Jan. 19, 2012 - Cynthia Nixon
>

Do you notice how she qualified that entire quote with "for me"? I'm not taking away from her experience, but it's not a majority experience. Further, do you notice how both examples you've pulled have been women? There are not that many men, yourself included, who will tell you they chose their sexual orientation. We all hit a certain age and had a physical reaction to what we were attracted to that we couldn't control. So, there's that.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:40 PM

234. "RE: I never spoke in absolutes. Dr Johnson did, and you agreed"
In response to Reply # 213

>>No I'm not bro... All I'm saying is that we cannot just
>>strictly say being gay or straight is something you are when
>>you are born as considering that not all are born that way.
>
>I've never discounted one's environment as a a factor, but
>you've been arguing vehemently that that it's not innate. I
>know, through my lived experience that it absolutely can be. I
>grew up with strong male role models. I was never molested. I
>grew up with healthy heteronormative relationships modeled all
>around me. I grew up with religion and my family's cultural
>leanings reinforcing that. Yet, I still had an innate desire
>to be with members of the same-sex. The only choice I made was
>to not deny myself happiness for the benefit and expectations
>of others. I, however, never actively chose to be attracted to
>members of the same sex. I've yet to meet a straight person,
>yourself included, who actively chose to be attracted to
>members of the opposite sex. Now, why is that? I don't know.
>No one knows, but that doesn't stop it from still being there
>with me since as long as I can remember.
>

I get it bro... and I apologize if I have offended you.

>>Many have decided to be gay, but not all. So you can't lump
>>all gays into one category it is more complicated than you
>are
>>trying to make it seem.
>
>You're right about this. However, the VAST majority of gay say
>they didn't choose it. That's not to say all, but the
>majority. You happened to have had experience with the
>minority who said they chose it. That's fine. However, you
>have to acknowledge that your sister's experience represents a
>minority of the community and, therefore, shouldn't be applied
>as a reliable source of explication for understanding
>homosexuality.
>
Ok I see what you are saying...

>You can have murderous thoughts but
>>you are not a murderer until you have actually murdered
>>someone.
>
>Yes, but this isn't an applicable, because murder is about
>behavior. Sexual behavior is related to, but separate from
>sexual orientation. If someone is consumed with murderous
>thoughts and no conscience, they are generally regarded as a
>sociopath. So, a more apt comparison would be is a person born
>a sociopath, since it regards the thought process, rather than
>the behavior. And the answer to that question is roughly the
>same, we don't know for sure. Yet, it's still primarily
>accepted as innate.
>

>You can have homosexual thoughts, urges and even
>>tendencies but you are not a homosexual until you have
>engaged
>>in Homosexual activity. Neither one of us is correct bro...
>
>This is where you are wrong. Sexual orientation only refers to
>the thoughts, urges and tendencies regarding sexual
>attraction. Sexual behavior is related, but separate. Before
>you ever had sex with a woman, you were only attracted to
>women. So, you were heterosexual. You didn't just become
>heterosexual, when you were devirginized.
>

Right so sexual orientation doesn't define whether you are gay or not just which sex you THINK you may like. A thought does not make you one thing or the other. My whole point of this argument is that some boys/girls today may grow up with this THINKING that they like males/females and may ENGAGE in homosexual activity as a result and may realize as an adult that he/she is actually not gay which can cause some issues within that young man or woman. This happens now but Due to the sensationalism of homosexuality this may be a problem in peoples homes later on down the line.... Sexual Preference comes once you have committed sexual acts and know what you want.

Until we get facts I'm sticking to what I believe tho.

>>Here's a quote from an actual gay person. Don't be a fool
>>young brother.
>
>>Cynthia Nixon, Sex and the City co-star, was quoted in a
>Jan.
>>19, 2012 New York Times Magazine article titled "Life After
>>'Sex,'" written by Alex Witchel:
>>"or me, it is a choice. I understand that
>>for many people it's not, but for me it's a choice, and you
>>don't get to define my gayness for me. A certain section of
>>our community is very concerned that it not be seen as a
>>choice, because if it's a choice, then we could opt out. I
>say
>>it doesn’t matter if we flew here or we swam here, it
>>matters that we are here and we are one group and let us
>stop
>>trying to make a litmus test for who is considered gay and
>who
>>is not…
>>
>>Why can't it be a choice? Why is that any less legitimate?
>It
>>seems we're just ceding this point to bigots who are
>demanding
>>it, and I don't think that they should define the terms of
>the
>>debate. I also feel like people think I was walking around
>in
>>a cloud and didn't realize I was gay, which I find really
>>offensive. I find it offensive to me, but I also find it
>>offensive to all the men I’ve been out with."
>>
>>Jan. 19, 2012 - Cynthia Nixon
>>
>
>Do you notice how she qualified that entire quote with "for
>me"? I'm not taking away from her experience, but it's not a
>majority experience. Further, do you notice how both examples
>you've pulled have been women? There are not that many men,
>yourself included, who will tell you they chose their sexual
>orientation. We all hit a certain age and had a physical
>reaction to what we were attracted to that we couldn't
>control. So, there's that.

I can respect that.

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:21 PM

91. "RE: Being gay as far as Black folks in the USA I would say is a symptom"
In response to Reply # 87

Cosign

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:27 PM

94. "except, biology. "
In response to Reply # 91

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:39 PM

97. "So most gay folk should be born androgynous / hermaphrodites then?"
In response to Reply # 94

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:43 PM

100. "That assertion literally makes no sense. "
In response to Reply # 97

Like, how did you even make that leap?

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:51 PM

104. "You said biology I pointed to biological defects"
In response to Reply # 100

forgetting to mention

hormonal imbalance estrogen/ testosterone (androgen).

What do women who want to become more muscular or masculine take sometimes as supplements which causes them to grow facial hair, deeper voices larger muscles and stronger facial features?

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:58 PM

107. "but homosexuality isn't a biological defect. "
In response to Reply # 104

>forgetting to mention
>
>hormonal imbalance estrogen/ testosterone (androgen).

Further, are you trying to argue that homosexuality is a result of hormonal imbalance? Because that would establish a definitive biological basis for it, which would be counterproductive to your argument, no?

>What do women who want to become more muscular or masculine
>take sometimes as supplements which causes them to grow facial
>hair, deeper voices larger muscles and stronger facial
>features?

Trans people and Homosexual people are completely different. They were initially grouped out of shared marginalization, but they are not synonymous. Oddly enough, however, there are species in nature that switch sexes and gender roles. So, it's not outside of the realm of the natural world.

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:01 PM

110. "I never said homosexuality wasn't partly biological it is mental too"
In response to Reply # 107

I don't fracture spiritual from mental, physical, etc they all influence each other.

Biology has an influence but your environment awakens certain traits while ignoring others.

People have a symbiotic relationship with each other the planet and universe.

So no it doesn't go against my argument.

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:15 PM

114. "Fair enough. Considering you're agreeing with the video..."
In response to Reply # 110

you'll agree it was a fair assumption, since he said that homosexuality was all choice.

>I don't fracture spiritual from mental, physical, etc they
>all influence each other.

Cool. I share that idea.

>Biology has an influence but your environment awakens certain
>traits while ignoring others.

>People have a symbiotic relationship with each other the
>planet and universe.
>
>So no it doesn't go against my argument.

I don't think anyone on my side of the argument has stated that environment plays no role. However, we don't ignore that there is a biological instinct in the mix as well, especially when you're talking about dudes, to me. In my experience, you only physically respond to what you're attracted to at a base level. I can't speak on women's sexuality, because I don't have that experience.

Either way, it doesn't matter. Even if it was a choice, what does it hurt? How does my boring ass life, where I go to work, pay my bills and save for my retirement amount to the moral decay of the black community?

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:27 PM

118. "It promotes population control"
In response to Reply # 114

it promotes undefined gender roles

it comes from a dominant culture that does not have our best interest at heart.

If it came out of our own experience and not as a symptom of another social engineering and manipulation cool.

All I ask is how can we have diabetes, heart disease, obesity, cancer, schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, all these physical and mental ailments at disproportionate levels and not think our sexuality would be effect/affected in some adverse way?

Spiritual too ignoring out ancestors while worshiping the mythical ones of our former colonizers?

We need healing but we gotta know what is causing the sickness and all of its symptoms which I feel homosexuality in Black people for the most part is an outward projection of.

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Starbaby Jones
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:41 PM

123. "So, you think people should reproduce at large rate"
In response to Reply # 118

with diminishing natural resources?

>it promotes undefined gender roles

and the problem with this is?

>it comes from a dominant culture that does not have our best
>interest at heart.

My instinct to be with a man doesn't come from the dominant culture. You know what does, though? The bullshit homophobia that is perpetuated by the religion that was forced on us.

>If it came out of our own experience and not as a symptom of
>another social engineering and manipulation cool.

Homosexuality is just as much a part of our experience. It's not like the vast majority of us still aren't straight. Those of us who aren't, however, shouldn't be relegated to a lesser level of human dignity.

>All I ask is how can we have diabetes, heart disease, obesity,
>cancer, schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, all these physical
>and mental ailments at disproportionate levels and not think
>our sexuality would be effect/affected in some adverse way?

But even when none of that existed at the current rates, the gay was still around. Your premise seems to be that homosexuality is a disease/disorder and that is inherently and patently false.

>Spiritual too ignoring out ancestors while worshiping the
>mythical ones of our former colonizers?

You bring this up, but it's the religion of our colonizers that drives vitriolic homophobia. Matter fact, the extreme homophobia that we're seeing spreading throughout Africa is being driven by white missionaries spreading misinformation about homosexuality. So, this point actually works more in my favor.

>We need healing but we gotta know what is causing the sickness
>and all of its symptoms which I feel homosexuality in Black
>people for the most part is an outward projection of.

Homosexuality is not the a symptom of a sickness in black people. The fact is black people are human, like every other race. And guess what? Literally, every other race has homosexuality, because it's a part of the wide and varied human experience.

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Wed Sep-02-15 12:58 PM

209. "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL"
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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
1642 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 05:25 PM

157. "As someone w/ adv bio/med degrees, this isn't simple"
In response to Reply # 54

I have no problem with people choosing to be gay. I literally do not care.

but if we're going to talk about origins, then we have a topic to discuss.

I personally find it problematic that he doesn't address the neurological constraints of "gender identification" and sexuality.

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Wed Sep-02-15 05:22 PM

262. "Did Queen Latifah EVER come out, really?"
In response to Reply # 54

Just because you are butch acting, doesn't mean you are a lesbian.

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Tue Sep-01-15 02:36 PM

122. "^^^^wants to put the toothpaste back in the tube"
In response to Reply # 39

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Tue Sep-01-15 02:59 PM

131. "RE: ^^^^wants to put the toothpaste back in the tube"
In response to Reply # 122

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:37 AM

42. "Never heard of him, but he makes some good, logical points..."
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Sep-01-15 11:38 AM by flipnile

...about some things.

A refreshing change in a lot of ways from the emotional-based arguments that we see all over the Internet nowadays. Like him or not, he's a far better at presenting his ideas that the twitter folks that think "lol, wut?" actually says something, or using ad-hominems to try and shut people up.

I'd like to see dude in a roundtable-type debate with a few people that have differing points of view.

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:43 AM

46. "this post is OKP Logic 1o1"
In response to Reply # 0

Almost everybody here is wrong about Dr. Johnson's perspective, especially hom homosexuality. As soon as most of you saw where he was against it in the black community, that was it. Don't let me stop y'all, though.

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:56 PM

180. "what are they wrong about?"
In response to Reply # 46

he believes that no one is born gay and that most are created through molestation.

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Garhart Poppwell
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:38 AM

186. "read these posts again"
In response to Reply # 180

And take a look at the assumptions made about someone they admit to not knowing anything about.

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Musa
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:44 AM

47. "Folks are showing their TRRRUUUUEEE colors"
In response to Reply # 0

hahahahahahahahahaha

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:46 AM

52. ":/"
In response to Reply # 47

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Tue Sep-01-15 11:59 AM

60. "He needs to keep quiet about his schools goals."
In response to Reply # 0

I support his plan though.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:01 PM

62. "RE: "Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here"
In response to Reply # 0

He's so on point with a lot of the points he makes. Especially what he says about homosexuality. It seems that if you have these particular views about homosexuality people want to avoid listening especially gay people. That's so unfortunate because that is why our country is just going to shit day by day. Many of you that are opposing his views haven't been educated to level he has and haven't worked with the types of people he has but yet will strongly oppose his views. What does he need some other white people or gays to cosign him in order for you to at least take his views into consideration? Shit is ridiculous.

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bentagain
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:20 PM

72. "Green, he was kicking some facts IRT ADHD, etc..."
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Sep-01-15 12:38 PM by bentagain

but then he devolved into his OPINION w/0 facts for about the next 45 - 50 minutes

very dangerous, IMO

to have someone present as science

and then have diarrhea of the mouth about every other topic possible

w/no facts

I could see how alot of folks might fall for it.

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Tue Sep-01-15 12:31 PM

77. "shit..i thought yo was the founder of this boxing gym here :-/"
In response to Reply # 0

http://nohooksbeforebooks.org/training-with-umar/

based off name

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Kwesi
Member since Jan 11th 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 12:59 PM

85. "how can someone so well-spoken be such a terrible texter?"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Sep-01-15 01:28 PM by Kwesi

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Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts

Tue Sep-01-15 01:28 PM

95. "His point about co-opting black movements is spot on."
In response to Reply # 0

That is 100 percent true. We need to stop allowing other people co-opt progressive messages for our people.

His other point about an alternative education system for our children was spot on as well.

He lost me talking about gay gangs. He's done the research and been involved on the ground so it's hard to refute his personal experience. However, it comes across wrong in 2015. I refuse to attribute pedophilia to the origin of the gay.

He makes valid points but others just miss me. I'll rewatch and come back.

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Dr Claw
Member since Jun 25th 2003
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Tue Sep-01-15 01:45 PM

101. "Yes, ADD/ADHD is a creation of noosebait teaching methods"
In response to Reply # 0

lol, foh

dude sound like Oswald Bates

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Tue Sep-01-15 01:47 PM

103. "but that's not what he said."
In response to Reply # 101

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ILLwiLL132
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:01 PM

109. "RE: but that's not what he said."
In response to Reply # 103

lol

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Dr Claw
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:01 PM

111. "hair-splitting, but so-called 'over-diagnosis' as a result? "
In response to Reply # 103

some bullshit

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ThaTruth
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:27 PM

117. "he said that's what happens in SOME cases and disproportionately so in....."
In response to Reply # 111

the african-american and latino community and he's right.

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DVS
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:45 PM

124. "I fux with about 99.99% of what I've heard so far"
In response to Reply # 0

y'all feel free to dogpile on me right now.

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Tue Sep-01-15 02:53 PM

127. "Where is SoWhat?"
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Big Kuntry
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Tue Sep-01-15 02:54 PM

128. "although i dont agree wit most of what he's saying..."
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i'm glad there is someone advocating the needs of special education students cuz too often our children get swept under the rug.

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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:32 PM

136. "First 12 min are on point."
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:43 PM

138. "Next 10 mins are on point too."
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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:50 PM

139. "That School Proposal is GREAT! I'd Love to see that come true."
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:51 PM by Case_One

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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:55 PM

142. "First 40 Min are nothing but Bricks to the Head. "
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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:57 PM

143. "Black Music is Sharecropping! That's a Powerful Statement. "
In response to Reply # 142
Tue Sep-01-15 03:58 PM by Case_One

We need to serve our people.

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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 04:10 PM

145. "If every HBCU Grad gave $20 mo back there would be no issues. "
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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 04:14 PM

146. "No More Creamy Crack! Black Women are Beautiful! "
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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 04:17 PM

147. "Where is the Help Brother! "
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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 04:17 PM

148. "He's gonna come up off the preachers... LOL"
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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
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Tue Sep-01-15 04:55 PM

152. "Dr Umar Speaks on Why Blk Ppl shouldnt give money to the church"
In response to Reply # 148

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPr1pqoO2o

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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 05:33 PM

159. "He's right in part per his social location and perspective. "
In response to Reply # 152

But, he's speaking out of real and genuine frustration that is valid. In fact, his practical outrage is correct, however, his theological context and history is wrong and off based. Other than that I feel the same way.

So why did you post the Youtube ling?

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kayru99
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Tue Sep-01-15 03:54 PM

141. "the stuff about education and special ed is HELLA valid"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Sep-01-15 03:54 PM by kayru99

like frighteningly true

all his other shit is shaky as Jell-O

But american education is socially colonized women using their oppression as the standard for behavior. That shit hamstrings little boys and girls alike, but the personal experience of the largely female teachers makes it easier for them to humanize the lil girls in a way that they won't with lil boys, often.

It's fascinating to see.

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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 04:01 PM

144. "That Job conversation @ 40:00 is very interesting."
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Government Name
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Tue Sep-01-15 05:02 PM

153. "fake deep. "
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woe.is.me.
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Tue Sep-01-15 05:15 PM

155. "^absolutely."
In response to Reply # 153

I'm not going to The Breakfast Club for any kind of intelligent discourse on psychology or child rearing.

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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 12:25 PM

204. "LOL. but DJ Envy cosigned! "
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Case_One
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Tue Sep-01-15 05:34 PM

160. "What's fake? What part was fake? What part was not deep?"
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Case_One
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Wed Sep-02-15 09:59 AM

193. "WELL THIS QUESTION WILL NOT GET ANSWERED! "
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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 12:22 PM

203. "nope, it won't. "
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Case_One
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:55 AM

330. "You just toss it out there huh, hoping it will stick. Got it."
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Government Name
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Thu Sep-03-15 11:24 AM

339. "i caved and expounded further down in this post"
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kinetic94761180
Member since Jul 05th 2002
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Thu Sep-03-15 09:50 AM

321. "i understand your frustration."
In response to Reply # 193

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vee-lover
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Tue Sep-01-15 08:11 PM

174. "They don't hear you"
In response to Reply # 153

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double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
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Tue Sep-01-15 05:59 PM

165. "this thread is a bummer. "
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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Tue Sep-01-15 06:25 PM

168. "Man fuck all the rest, I'm dealing with a 7th grader who doesn't know hi..."
In response to Reply # 0

multiplication tables, because he's been told he's "special needs".
He has ALL the sense and intelligence to be in regular classes, but his esteem is just
so broken. Does anybody have any suggestions as to how to help his advance faster
and raise his self-esteem? Trust me, I'm doing all I can.
His mother is pretty negligent when it comes to his education, and I had no idea until
I met back up with her and her kids after some years. He's not my son, but I care
about him like he is. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
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Tue Sep-01-15 07:15 PM

170. "Mentor that kid, or have it weigh on your conscience. "
In response to Reply # 168

Rough circumstances I couldn't imagine dealing with

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:23 AM

183. "Definitely doing all I can to help."
In response to Reply # 170

His mom has two children, works two jobs, and just accepts whatever the school tells her.
I'm coming up with ways to get her more involved and be more helpful to him when
I'm not around.

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kayru99
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Tue Sep-01-15 11:41 PM

179. "give him some lay-ups/easy successes, and make a bid deal out of it"
In response to Reply # 168

like say the 2s, 5s, and 10s multiplication tables. When he gets those down, give him props, enough to help build his confidence.

Then move on to helping him learn the patterns in the other groups, but be sure to acknowledge the work he's putting in, and tell him stories about the difficulties you may have had with them.

The rest is just memorization/pattern recognition

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:37 AM

184. "Word, good one."
In response to Reply # 179

I noticed this problem when I was asking him multiplication tables and went all
the way down to the 2's and he still couldn't answer. I explained that a multiplication
equation is just 2 rows of 9, 4 rows of 3, etc, and had him write out multiple ones just
to give him visuals... then explained to him that you just add to the last one to get
the next one, such as 6x6 and 6x7 then had him write out the 1's through 6's... this
was all in about a week's time due to availability, but I did get pretty excited and tell
him he did a great job, but I could probably do more on that front. Thanks a lot for
the suggestion.

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kayru99
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:55 AM

191. "nice...also, try writing them out in columns"
In response to Reply # 184

like:

3 x 1 = 3
3 x 2 = 6
3 x 3 = 9
etc, etc.

so he can visualize the patterns as they appear. This will be especially helpful when he get to the sets above 5, cuz then if he can't remember the equations, he can see the "tricks" that pop up.

BTW, i was a great student all my life but division made NO sense to me conceptually until maybe 6th grade..?

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:42 PM

235. "Word word, that's exactly how I wrote them out"
In response to Reply # 191

>like:
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>3 x 1 = 3
>3 x 2 = 6
>3 x 3 = 9
>etc, etc.
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>so he can visualize the patterns as they appear. This will be
>especially helpful when he get to the sets above 5, cuz then
>if he can't remember the equations, he can see the "tricks"
>that pop up.

I wrote them out this and explained that getting them down was an adding game,
so even if he remembers only some of them, the rest of them will come easier.

>BTW, i was a great student all my life but division made NO
>sense to me conceptually until maybe 6th grade..?

Word, it throws you for a loop. I actually took algebra twice lol. Thankfully
I understand it well now, because I'm explaining it to his older sister.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:57 PM

257. "Updade: "
In response to Reply # 168

Worked with him today, and I'm actually amazed at how quickly he's remembering
these things. We went up to 6 with some flashcards today and he didn't miss any, at all.
I'm just thankful he WANTS to learn and seems genuinely appreciative of the fact
that I'm helping him.
Yall don't even know how much joy this brings me.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:48 PM

285. "Update* "
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kayru99
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Fri Sep-04-15 10:26 AM

397. "It's a beautiful feeling, right?"
In response to Reply # 257

kids are awesome

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Sat Sep-05-15 03:44 AM

411. "...this is awesome"
In response to Reply # 257

.....good job yo...

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Crisco
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Tue Sep-01-15 10:03 PM

178. "Thank You for posting this"
In response to Reply # 0

The older I get the more I learn How messed up things are for black people.

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NoDrawls McGraw
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:19 AM

182. "Sun was on point, 'specially with what he said about Sistas rockin they ..."
In response to Reply # 0

...natural hair.

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Lardlad95
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:49 AM

187. "Go back and listen, the LGBT thing was easily the weakest section."
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Sep-02-15 05:51 AM by Lardlad95

His entire argument rests on a slippery slope leading to eugenics.

When it comes to nature vs. nurture he seems like he's a strong proponent of "nurture", which is where I think he loses the argument because he makes no room for nature at all.

I understand why he's arguing the stance he's arguing (not from a moral stand point, but from a logical or rhetorical one), but I'm not sold on his position through those means.

Regardless of environment, some people will exhibit certain behavior just through genetics, and I don't think that leads to a eugenicist end point. With 7 billion people I think our genetic diversity even within races and ethnic groups can account for a baseline of most behaviors.

Which is a shame, because as someone who is a strong proponent of the nurture side of the argument, I think he's overselling the point.

Most of the rest of his ideas seem sound, but that's a weak link he needs to rework if he's gonna take that stance.

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Musa
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Wed Sep-02-15 12:54 PM

208. "What is natural about the condition of Black people in the USA?"
In response to Reply # 187

cmon?

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Atillah Moor
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:34 PM

233. "Thank you."
In response to Reply # 208
Wed Sep-02-15 03:37 PM by Atillah Moor

Black people in America are born of misfortune. Even Jewish people can't claim that and I can't think of any other group that is. Maybe the Roma people or ancient Samaritans? That's pure speculation though.

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Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:12 PM

294. "Yeah, but black people exhibit the same array of behaviors"
In response to Reply # 208

all over the world...as do other races.

Has this nation fucked us up? Undoubtedly, but I'm unclear as to your point on nature vs. nurture. Are you saying all of our behavior is the result of a warped Western culture or are you just pointing it to a particular set of behaviors, because once again, if we're talking about things like sexual orientation those behaviors occur all over the globe, regardless of culture.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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Musa
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Thu Sep-03-15 12:58 AM

309. "Yea Black people for the most part are stuck under sneaky(post) colonial..."
In response to Reply # 294

>all over the world...as do other races.

>Has this nation fucked us up? Undoubtedly, but I'm unclear as
>to your point on nature vs. nurture. Are you saying all of our
>behavior is the result of a warped Western culture or are you
>just pointing it to a particular set of behaviors, because
>once again, if we're talking about things like sexual
>orientation those behaviors occur all over the globe,
>regardless of culture.

That is the thing yall keep excluding sexuality as if it is outside of the realm of influence from the political/social condition of Black people. If niggas were on an island to themselves would we have as many "gay" folk running around is my premise and looking at Black societies who have a sense of self/culture and autonomy that is not corrupted by invaders my unequivocal answer is NO.

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Lardlad95
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Thu Sep-03-15 09:47 PM

387. "I didn't exclude it, I just don't buy that homosexuality or any"
In response to Reply # 309

sexual orientation can be explained away entirely by conditioning. Yea, culture can dictate a wide range of behavior...I don't think that homosexuality would cease to exist if we toppled white supremacy.

If you think it is a result of conditioning then please convince me as to the veracity of that point, but as of now I'm not convinced.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

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no_i_cant_dance
Member since Apr 10th 2006
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:20 AM

189. "His views are vile & he is a prime example of all skinfolk ain't kinolk."
In response to Reply # 0

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Garhart Poppwell
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:41 AM

190. "no they're not"
In response to Reply # 189

There's a marked difference between looking at homosexuality as a lifestyle for individuals and homosexuality as a weapon against a group of people (and before you scoff at the concept, it's been documented and admitted by people in the government).

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Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
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Wed Sep-02-15 10:16 AM

195. "Pretty much. "
In response to Reply # 189

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

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Ill Jux
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Mon Sep-07-15 02:17 PM

424. "so the whole thing about black people owning schools and hospitals, "
In response to Reply # 189

that's a bad thing?

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ThaTruth
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Wed Sep-02-15 08:46 AM

192. "y'all probably not ready to hear this either..."
In response to Reply # 0

https://www.facebook.com/swaggajones/videos/10207469229031398/?pnref=story

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Wed Sep-02-15 10:18 AM

196. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDR-xEVqKc"
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bitches ain't shit /
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soken
Member since Aug 31st 2009
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Wed Sep-02-15 10:44 AM

199. "Dont know who he is, now I will continue to ignore"
In response to Reply # 0

we keep it moving,

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quadrush
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Wed Sep-02-15 01:02 PM

211. "Chartreuse "
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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
14015 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 02:58 PM

216. "THe Replies in this post prove Black Folks will Never Work together "
In response to Reply # 0

on uplifting shit. MOst of yall say he is nuts just cause you don't agre with one particular thing, MOstly the LBGT comments. That was his opinion based on his experience with LBGT via counseling.

So once you didn't agre on that one point yall completely ignored all the other Knowledge he was dropping.

SMH

Who cares about his individual dick tales or baby momma drama his position is to educate and up life millions of African Americans. None of us are perfect. Shit Dr King even had Jump offs.

Once again we segregate and sabotage ourselves. And non balcks laugh at us. We are the only race of people that do not work together to build a financial foundation. WE SUCK at that. And money is key to success in this world.

NIggas is a mess.

Where the white women at.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 03:01 PM

218. "...but Black people are already working together "
In response to Reply # 216

on uplifting shit, sans the homophobia.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
14015 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 03:14 PM

224. "Not in Large enough numbers. "
In response to Reply # 218

For example he says that we export our talents but own none of the rights. In the music industry. There's a simple solution to that. Not only in Music but in Black Business overall. BUY BLACK, Hire Black, Mentor BLACK, etc...

Most black folks I know including my ass get the hell out of black neighborhoods soon as we made it. We become elitist to our own people.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 03:28 PM

229. "Then, model the behavior you want to see. "
In response to Reply # 224

For example, I have a good friend that's been compiling a network of black-owned business and service via a FB group with hopes of expanding it to a website. Everyone in the group is making a commitment to help expand the list and patronize them as much as possible. So, do something similar and lead the charge in your network.

Further, I never said dude had no points. It's just conflated with other ish that I can't clap to. For example, his views on education are fairly aligned with mine, sans his gendered statements. I don't think it's about boys not acting like women. I think it's more about children of color, in general, being seen as a threat to some white teachers. I say it's not gendered, because black girls are given suspension and told they're ADHD, just as much. I'm a huge advocate for educational reform. If ever I fall into a significant amount of money, that's my cause all day. That said, I couldn't donate to a school where a gay kid could inadvertently be put there and taught that his sexual orientation is the result of some sort of parental failing.

He was right, however, in stating that shouldn't stop me from finding another black school or HBCU that doesn't have his baggage regarding homophobia and supporting there. That's precisely what I plan on doing. So, good on him for calling that out.

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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:27 PM

278. "Shit you are right. I have no rebuttal. I see what you are saying"
In response to Reply # 229

>For example, I have a good friend that's been compiling a
>network of black-owned business and service via a FB group
>with hopes of expanding it to a website. Everyone in the group
>is making a commitment to help expand the list and patronize
>them as much as possible. So, do something similar and lead
>the charge in your network.
>
>Further, I never said dude had no points. It's just conflated
>with other ish that I can't clap to. For example, his views on
>education are fairly aligned with mine, sans his gendered
>statements. I don't think it's about boys not acting like
>women. I think it's more about children of color, in general,
>being seen as a threat to some white teachers. I say it's not
>gendered, because black girls are given suspension and told
>they're ADHD, just as much. I'm a huge advocate for
>educational reform. If ever I fall into a significant amount
>of money, that's my cause all day. That said, I couldn't
>donate to a school where a gay kid could inadvertently be put
>there and taught that his sexual orientation is the result of
>some sort of parental failing.
>
>He was right, however, in stating that shouldn't stop me from
>finding another black school or HBCU that doesn't have his
>baggage regarding homophobia and supporting there. That's
>precisely what I plan on doing. So, good on him for calling
>that out.
>

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:06 PM

220. "How do I find common ground with him"
In response to Reply # 216

when he does not respect my existence? And actually goes so far as to say that my existence cannot help the community. I am not the one that does not want to help sir.

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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:16 PM

225. "Newsflash most of the poeple you know including family barely "
In response to Reply # 220

tolerate your gay lifestyle. They may say they are fine with it but deep down inside they like this sh*t is crazy. How the hell you do't like pussy.

Your an anomaly and always will be. BUt that doesn't make you a bad person.

So look past the fact that you are different and people think you are different and latch on to the other points taht were made.

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:21 PM

226. "Newsflash most of the white poeple you know including close friends"
In response to Reply # 225

>tolerate your Blackness. They may say they are fine with
>it but deep down inside they think you are a nigger. Why the
>hell you so Black?
>
>You're other and always will be. But that doesn't make you
>a bad person.
>
>So look past the fact that you are different and people think
>you are different and latch on to the other points that were
>made.
>

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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:25 PM

228. "LOL I see what you did there. ANd that applies in our everyday life as w..."
In response to Reply # 226

I'm sure there's a bunch of folks I work with and deal with that think that way. But I can look past that and accomplish a whole lot in life. Despite it.

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:33 PM

232. "But would you if they just outright told you"
In response to Reply # 228

"Crisco, I like you and all but you know I think you are a nigger and I don't respect you. I also think you are lazy and I don't even know what you bring to the company. But come help me fill out these TPS reports."

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double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:03 PM

244. "ether"
In response to Reply # 232

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

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Utamaroho
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:07 PM

247. "cosign"
In response to Reply # 244

Red, Black, Green

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Sarah_Bellum
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Thu Sep-03-15 01:48 AM

313. "Right... "
In response to Reply # 244

___________________________________________________________

DJTB YOMM

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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
14015 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 06:32 PM

279. "If they paid me Hell yes. I got child support. LOL"
In response to Reply # 232

>"Crisco, I like you and all but you know I think you are a
>nigger and I don't respect you. I also think you are lazy and
>I don't even know what you bring to the company. But come help
>me fill out these TPS reports."
>

But in actuality that would never happen so ...

Dr Umar made points about blacks supporting other blacks in other ways that have nothing to do with Dr. Umar....IF you don't like his gay stance so be it But He was saying some real shit on other topics.

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flionel
Member since Jul 08th 2010
576 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 03:06 PM

221. "His comments were divisive...."
In response to Reply # 216

you can't make a direct comparison with homosexuality and pedophilia and not expect to cause offense. He is not trying to uplift or unify the black community, he is just trying to hustle his bullshit.

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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:21 PM

227. "His statement was actually on point"
In response to Reply # 221

Once a beahvior is considered normal the next step is to make it legal by law, From Homesexuality to smoking weed. What he was saying is that NAMBLA weirdo asses are trying to legalize pedophilia in the same ways Gay marriage was finally accepted. OBVIOUSLY, there is a difference between two consenting adults have sex and An adult tryna sleep with children. The correlation was in the method of legalizing such behaviors not that the behaviors are the same and should be denied or accepted as much.

Yall heard what you wanted to hear because you were offended soon as he said he aint down with homosexuality. Many people aren't but that doens't mean it isn't accepted by those that don't

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:30 PM

230. "Sweetheart, not being down for homosexuality "
In response to Reply # 227

Is politely declining a person of the same gender as you when the approach you on some "I like you and I give you dick" type shit. This is more than that. What he is saying would be the equivalent of a person not liking beets so they start telling others how they should not like beets also. Then giving speeches about how the consumption of beets by anybody weakens the community. Then shaming people who happen to like beets and telling them that their extensive study in nutrition (working at a Golden Corral) has led them to the conclusion that the only reason most people like beets is because they were abused as a child....

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Crisco
Member since May 21st 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:35 PM

280. "Hey I hate beets. Yech.... "
In response to Reply # 230

I can see why gays would be offended. I can also see why some heterosexuals could completely bypass that part of the interview and focus on the other points. Like I did.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 03:51 PM

240. "RE: His statement was actually on point"
In response to Reply # 227

>Once a beahvior is considered normal the next step is to make
>it legal by law, From Homesexuality to smoking weed. What he
>was saying is that NAMBLA weirdo asses are trying to legalize
>pedophilia in the same ways Gay marriage was finally accepted.
>OBVIOUSLY, there is a difference between two consenting adults
>have sex and An adult tryna sleep with children. The
>correlation was in the method of legalizing such behaviors not
>that the behaviors are the same and should be denied or
>accepted as much.
>
>Yall heard what you wanted to hear because you were offended
>soon as he said he aint down with homosexuality. Many people
>aren't but that doens't mean it isn't accepted by those that
>don't

Exactly.

I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who it's for or against. - el Hajj Malik el Shabazz

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
21414 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 04:12 PM

249. "This is a stupid point"
In response to Reply # 240

Because yall are trying to set up this idea that you don't necessarily have an issue with homosexuality but you have an issue with the way it was "Normalized" and now it is legal for same sexes to marry.

So, you realize that the process of "normalizing" same sex relations was no different than the way interracial relations were "normalized". or the concept of Blacks being considered whole humans was "normalized".

I personally don't have an issue with NAMBLA trying to get their agenda "normalized" but I think that they are going to run into an issue when we get to the part where children cannot consent to sexual relationships with adults. But hell, let them go for it. But that shit has NOTHING to do with homosexuality.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 04:34 PM

252. "Further, the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual."
In response to Reply # 249

The ratio is like 11:1. It is worlds apart. The only similar expansion of marriage I could see coming as a result of the recent developments in same-sex marriage is plural marriage, which I have no issue with as long as everyone's a consenting adult.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 04:55 PM

256. "RE: This is a stupid point"
In response to Reply # 249

>Because yall are trying to set up this idea that you don't
>necessarily have an issue with homosexuality but you have an
>issue with the way it was "Normalized" and now it is legal for
>same sexes to marry.
>

How when we are heterosexuals concerned about the affects of this normalization process on our families?

>So, you realize that the process of "normalizing" same sex
>relations was no different than the way interracial relations
>were "normalized". or the concept of Blacks being considered
>whole humans was "normalized".
>
Funny thing about alot of you is that you try to equate homosexuality with race.

>I personally don't have an issue with NAMBLA trying to get
>their agenda "normalized" but I think that they are going to
>run into an issue when we get to the part where children
>cannot consent to sexual relationships with adults. But hell,
>let them go for it. But that shit has NOTHING to do with
>homosexuality.

You don't have a problem because your gay and are ok with the gay lifestyle. I on the other hand don't care for it one way or the other and have children and I want to have grandchildren. That won't happen if my children turn out gay. By normalizing this behavior you are making my job harder and parents like myself as well. But you guys do not care... what you care about is your personal acceptance in this society. You all have no cares about how this can possibly affect children's future. Once again we are not entitled to accept your lifestyle. Just like white people don't have to accept black people's gangbanging lifestyle.

I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who it's for or against. - el Hajj Malik el Shabazz

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
21414 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 05:07 PM

259. "Please tell me about this Gay Lifestyle ou speak of"
In response to Reply # 256

I am a Black gay man in a 7 year relationship with another man. We live in an apartment. We pay our bills. We have a dog. We are currently working on purchasing a house. And we have sex with one another. Where is this different from anybody else?

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 05:55 PM

270. "RE: Please tell me about this Gay Lifestyle ou speak of"
In response to Reply # 259

>I am a Black gay man in a 7 year relationship with another
>man. We live in an apartment. We pay our bills. We have a dog.
>We are currently working on purchasing a house. And we have
>sex with one another. Where is this different from anybody
>else?

Your gay nigga, that's the fucking lifestyle fool. Ok you're doing what most straight men would do except we would be doing these things with possible intentions of having children. You mean to tell me that you can fuck your boyfriend and get him pregnant???? Ok when you have your child who's gonna be momma??? Who's gonna be daddy????

I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who it's for or against. - el Hajj Malik el Shabazz

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 06:02 PM

272. "Why couldn't he have children?"
In response to Reply # 270
Wed Sep-02-15 06:03 PM by Starbaby Jones

You realize there are a myriad of ways a gay couple can have kids, either through adoption or biologically, if they're so inclined. Would there be extra steps, sure. No more than a straight couple with fertility issues.

As far as parental gender roles, there would be no mommy and daddy. Since we're talking about two men. They would both be fathers. It's really not that complicated.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 06:09 PM

273. "RE: Why couldn't he have children?"
In response to Reply # 272

>You realize there are a myriad of ways a gay couple can have
>kids, either through adoption or biologically, if their so
>inclined. Would there be extra steps, sure. No more than a
>straight couple with fertility issues.
>
No shit nigga. My point is that you cannot naturally have a fucking kid if your gay. You guys keep skipping over the points we are making but its cool.

>As far as parental gender roles, there would be no mommy and
>daddy. Since we're talking about two men. They would both be
>fathers. It's really not that complicated.

Man I'm not even gonna go into that. Funny part about all this I don't know why y'all so mad at our views. Y'all are actually winning and ain't nothing that we are saying gonna change anything.

I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who it's for or against. - el Hajj Malik el Shabazz

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 06:17 PM

276. "RE: Why couldn't he have children?"
In response to Reply # 273
Wed Sep-02-15 06:18 PM by Starbaby Jones

>>
>No shit nigga. My point is that you cannot naturally have a
>fucking kid if your gay. You guys keep skipping over the
>points we are making but its cool.

but there are straight couples who can't have children biologically. Are their families any less valid?

>Man I'm not even gonna go into that. Funny part about all this
>I don't know why y'all so mad at our views. Y'all are actually
>winning and ain't nothing that we are saying gonna change
>anything.

Who's mad? It seems to be you. Gay couples are parenting children right now and have been for decades. Thing is, they don't need anyone's position to do so. You seem to want to act as if these families are somehow invalid, but they are valid. They're already functioning and producing well-balanced children that contribute to society.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 10:49 AM

328. "RE: Why couldn't he have children?"
In response to Reply # 276

>>>
>>No shit nigga. My point is that you cannot naturally have a
>>fucking kid if your gay. You guys keep skipping over the
>>points we are making but its cool.
>
>but there are straight couples who can't have children
>biologically. Are their families any less valid?
>
No, but if there weren't any biological defects a regular male and female could and would have children. Biological defects in women is the reason for In Vitro fertilization. It wasn't invented so gay people can have kids and have a family, that was a loop hole that the gay community figured out. Now gay marriage is legal which opens the door for more shit to come. Next thing to come is polygamy. Then there's gonna be people marrying both sexes. It's just getting stupid.

>>Man I'm not even gonna go into that. Funny part about all
>this
>>I don't know why y'all so mad at our views. Y'all are
>actually
>>winning and ain't nothing that we are saying gonna change
>>anything.
>
>Who's mad? It seems to be you. Gay couples are parenting
>children right now and have been for decades. Thing is, they
>don't need anyone's position to do so. You seem to want to act
>as if these families are somehow invalid, but they are valid.
>They're already functioning and producing well-balanced
>children that contribute to society.

I am a bit upset with what I'm seeing today but can you blame me?... I am a straight man with children who was brought up to believe that homosexuality was a bad thing mostly from church. I never saw men kissing each other on T.V. growing up. But here I am now a 31 year old man it's all over mainstream media it's even in cartoons. They're giving tranny's courage awards, gay marriage is legal. The same tranny that they gave the courage award to says he/she still likes women... WTF? I just don't understand all of this madness. It's mind boggling to me.

I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who it's for or against. - el Hajj Malik el Shabazz

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 11:09 AM

336. "RE: Why couldn't he have children?"
In response to Reply # 328

>No, but if there weren't any biological defects a regular male
>and female could and would have children. Biological defects
>in women is the reason for In Vitro fertilization. It wasn't
>invented so gay people can have kids and have a family, that
>was a loop hole that the gay community figured out.

The same way black people have exploited the internet as a means of controlling our own narratives in the world. It was never intended or invented for that use. Things are invented all the time that have unintended consequences. That's not a bad thing.

Now gay
>marriage is legal which opens the door for more shit to come.
>Next thing to come is polygamy. Then there's gonna be people
>marrying both sexes. It's just getting stupid.

Why is that necessarily a bad thing? If consenting adults want to define their own unions, what does that have to do with you?

>I am a bit upset with what I'm seeing today but can you blame
>me?... I am a straight man with children who was brought up to
>believe that homosexuality was a bad thing mostly from church.
>I never saw men kissing each other on T.V. growing up. But
>here I am now a 31 year old man it's all over mainstream media
>it's even in cartoons. They're giving tranny's courage awards,
>gay marriage is legal. The same tranny that they gave the
>courage award to says he/she still likes women... WTF? I just
>don't understand all of this madness. It's mind boggling to
>me.

So, your basis for being antigay is the church...The same church that robbed of us of our own cosmology so that we don't even see ourselves in the way we look at god. The same church that was used to justify our enslavement for centuries. That church? Bro, your conditioning is conditioned. As far as not understanding sexual orientation or gender identity is concerned, my good friend Google is always there for you and she's free. Ignorance in 2015 is a chosen state. If you don't understand something, you can look up people's stories to get a better understanding. Something, however, tells me you don't want to understand. If you don't, that's fine, but be clear about the fact that you're being willfully ignorant and bigoted.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 11:33 AM

340. "RE: Why couldn't he have children?"
In response to Reply # 336

>
>>No, but if there weren't any biological defects a regular
>male
>>and female could and would have children. Biological defects
>>in women is the reason for In Vitro fertilization. It wasn't
>>invented so gay people can have kids and have a family, that
>>was a loop hole that the gay community figured out.
>
>The same way black people have exploited the internet as a
>means of controlling our own narratives in the world. It was
>never intended or invented for that use. Things are invented
>all the time that have unintended consequences. That's not a
>bad thing.
>
>Now gay
>>marriage is legal which opens the door for more shit to
>come.
>>Next thing to come is polygamy. Then there's gonna be people
>>marrying both sexes. It's just getting stupid.
>
>Why is that necessarily a bad thing? If consenting adults want
>to define their own unions, what does that have to do with
>you?
>
>>I am a bit upset with what I'm seeing today but can you
>blame
>>me?... I am a straight man with children who was brought up
>to
>>believe that homosexuality was a bad thing mostly from
>church.
>>I never saw men kissing each other on T.V. growing up. But
>>here I am now a 31 year old man it's all over mainstream
>media
>>it's even in cartoons. They're giving tranny's courage
>awards,
>>gay marriage is legal. The same tranny that they gave the
>>courage award to says he/she still likes women... WTF? I
>just
>>don't understand all of this madness. It's mind boggling to
>>me.
>
>So, your basis for being antigay is the church...The same
>church that robbed of us of our own cosmology so that we don't
>even see ourselves in the way we look at god. The same church
>that was used to justify our enslavement for centuries. That
>church? Bro, your conditioning is conditioned. As far as not
>understanding sexual orientation or gender identity is
>concerned, my good friend Google is always there for you and
>she's free. Ignorance in 2015 is a chosen state. If you don't
>understand something, you can look up people's stories to get
>a better understanding. Something, however, tells me you don't
>want to understand. If you don't, that's fine, but be clear
>about the fact that you're being willfully ignorant and
>bigoted.
>

So to kill that sentiment of me being conditioned, I converted to Islam when I was 21 yrs old. Miss me with that conditioned shit. The church didn't condition me I just see that it doesn't do much for society so I don't care for it.

A man that wants to be a lady but still likes women? so he's heterosexual but want's to be a gay lady? I'm lost... I believe in god homie and I don't believe he put us on this earth to engage in sexual activity with the same sex. It's fucking weird and is something that we can't understand. We don't even know why you're gay homie, you believe that you're born that way cool, well there's nothing to back that statement at all as I have clearly shown you. So where's the ignorance. You can't understand something that there is no understanding of... be real.

I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who it's for or against. - el Hajj Malik el Shabazz

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 11:42 AM

342. "Eh, brother, Islam ain't from us either. "
In response to Reply # 340

You're still operating in a cosmology that doesn't include you in its inception.

>
>So to kill that sentiment of me being conditioned, I converted
>to Islam when I was 21 yrs old. Miss me with that conditioned
>shit. The church didn't condition me I just see that it
>doesn't do much for society so I don't care for it.

>A man that wants to be a lady but still likes women? so he's
>heterosexual but want's to be a gay lady? I'm lost... I
>believe in god homie and I don't believe he put us on this
>earth to engage in sexual activity with the same sex. It's
>fucking weird and is something that we can't understand. We
>don't even know why you're gay homie, you believe that you're
>born that way cool, well there's nothing to back that
>statement at all as I have clearly shown you. So where's the
>ignorance. You can't understand something that there is no
>understanding of... be real.

You believe that god created everything in nature, no? It's extremely wide and varied and we only know a fraction of it and understand even less. Why on earth couldn't that be applied to humanity. I agree that each of us have a purpose. Not all of our purposes and destinies are the same. Maybe some of aren't meant to have an individual family, so that we can have room to stand in the gap for others. Maybe some of us are meant to lead in other directions. Maybe some of us are meant to exhibit how wide and varied the experience of being human can be. I don't know. You don't know. None of us know. That, however, shouldn't stop us from showing each other a modicum of respect to have our own individual human experiences.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 12:01 PM

343. "RE: Eh, brother, Islam ain't from us either. "
In response to Reply # 342

>You're still operating in a cosmology that doesn't include
>you in its inception.
>

There's no religion on this earth that accepts homosexuality people in your religion may accept you as brothers in faith but it is viewed as wrong in gods eyes in any arena... In any religion homosexuality is viewed as a sin.

>
>You believe that god created everything in nature, no? It's
>extremely wide and varied and we only know a fraction of it
>and understand even less. Why on earth couldn't that be
>applied to humanity. I agree that each of us have a purpose.
>Not all of our purposes and destinies are the same. Maybe some
>of aren't meant to have an individual family, so that we can
>have room to stand in the gap for others. Maybe some of us are
>meant to lead in other directions. Maybe some of us are meant
>to exhibit how wide and varied the experience of being human
>can be. I don't know. You don't know. None of us know. That,
>however, shouldn't stop us from showing each other a modicum
>of respect to have our own individual human experiences.

Absolutely he created everything in nature. And I do respect that if that's what you want that's what you want. The problem is that I and many others like me are not being given the proper respect from the people who control the media. It's not about me respecting you it's about you guys respecting our wishes. And by having this conversation with me you are showing me that there are people out there that do not give a shit about what we think, only about their LGBT movement. Simple and plain.

I'm for truth no matter who tells it. I'm for justice no matter who it's for or against. - el Hajj Malik el Shabazz

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 12:15 PM

345. "Let fix that for you..."
In response to Reply # 343

>>You're still operating in a cosmology that doesn't include
>>you in its inception.
>>
>
>There's no *WESTERN* religion on this earth that accepts homosexuality
>people in your religion may accept you as brothers in faith
>but it is viewed as wrong in gods eyes in any arena... In any *WESTERN*
>religion homosexuality is viewed as a sin.

There are cosmologies and cultures that view not only homosexuality, but also gender fluidity, as a part of nature with space for it within their cultures.

>Absolutely he created everything in nature. And I do respect
>that if that's what you want that's what you want. The problem
>is that I and many others like me are not being given the
>proper respect from the people who control the media.

Dude, how, heterosexuality is still primarily presented as the norm. Are LGBT people starting to be represented more? Sure, as they should. However, heterosexuality is overwhelmingly presented as the norm. This is literally the same argument white supremacists make referring to blackness in the media. It doesn't bother you that you're literally spitting the same script as your supposed enemies.

It's not
>about me respecting you it's about you guys respecting our
>wishes.

Yes, but your wishes infringe upon my rights to freely exist. So, you and others of your ilk are just gonna have to get over it.

And by having this conversation with me you are
>showing me that there are people out there that do not give a
>shit about what we think, only about their LGBT movement.
>Simple and plain.

Dude, you are the majority. You are presented as the norm. No one is getting killed for being straight. Kids are not committing suicide because of the stigma and harassment associated with being straight. Stop playing victim. You have no grounds for this.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 12:38 PM

347. "RE: Let fix that for you..."
In response to Reply # 345
Thu Sep-03-15 12:43 PM by ILLwiLL132

>There are cosmologies and cultures that view not only
>homosexuality, but also gender fluidity, as a part of nature
>with space for it within their cultures.
>
>
>>Absolutely he created everything in nature. And I do respect
>>that if that's what you want that's what you want. The
>problem
>>is that I and many others like me are not being given the
>>proper respect from the people who control the media.
>
>Dude, how, heterosexuality is still primarily presented as the
>norm. Are LGBT people starting to be represented more? Sure,
>as they should. However, heterosexuality is overwhelmingly
>presented as the norm. This is literally the same argument
>white supremacists make referring to blackness in the media.
>It doesn't bother you that you're literally spitting the same
>script as your supposed enemies.
>
I'm not speaking the same rhetoric sir. You cannot equate homosexuality with race. You are born whatever race you are, that is a FACT, it is embedded in your genes. If there are people out there who do not believe that they were born gay and that there is no scientific proof of it how can you equate the two.

>
>Yes, but your wishes infringe upon my rights to freely exist.

How by not wanting to see men kissing on my favorite t.v. show.?

>So, you and others of your ilk are just gonna have to get over
>it.

Obviously.

>And by having this conversation with me you are
>>showing me that there are people out there that do not give
>a
>>shit about what we think, only about their LGBT movement.
>>Simple and plain.
>
>Dude, you are the majority. You are presented as the norm. No
>one is getting killed for being straight. Kids are not
>committing suicide because of the stigma and harassment
>associated with being straight. Stop playing victim. You have
>no grounds for this.

We are the norm but your overall motive is to normalize homosexuality, when it is in fact abnormal behavior.

Obviously we are the victim if we have no control over what is being done. There's plenty of people who don't want to see gay shit on t.v. but guess who runs the show? Gay white people.
Are you that fucking naive to not see their's some skeptical shit going on.
So because these bad things have happened to gays this means that we must sensationalize it and promote it on television? I'm trying to understand your logic?

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 12:52 PM

348. "You are absolutely using the same rhetoric. "
In response to Reply # 347

>I'm not speaking the same rhetoric sir. You cannot equate
>homosexuality with race. You are born whatever race you are,
>that is a FACT, it is embedded in your genes. If there are
>people out there who do not believe that they were born gay
>and that there is no scientific proof of it how can you equate
>the two.

Here's a FACT for you. Race, as an entire concept, is not scientific...like, at all. Race is an entirely social construct loosely based on some biological/genetic identifiers, but it's not an actual scientific concept. So, what are you talking about?

>
>We are the norm but your overall motive is to normalize
>homosexuality, when it is in fact abnormal behavior.

Whiteness is the norm in the United states. So, blackness is an abnormal state of being here. Do you think you deserve less rights, because you're a minority in this country? Why should you have equal rights? Asserting your blackness disturbs the normality of whiteness.

>Obviously we are the victim if we have no control over what is
>being done. There's plenty of people who don't want to see gay
>shit on t.v. but guess who runs the show? Gay white people.
>Are you that fucking naive to not see their's some skeptical
>shit going on.
>So because these bad things have happened to gays this means
>that we must sensationalize it and promote it on television?

A few representations of LGBT people does not equal sensationalism. We live in an era, when there is more TV programming than there ever has been. If you never wanna see a gay person at all, there is a litany of programming you can go to that expressly excludes LGBT people, if you so desire.

>I'm trying to understand your logic?

It's not very hard to understand. I'm actually quite good at clearly articulating my points.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 02:00 PM

355. "RE: You are absolutely using the same rhetoric. "
In response to Reply # 348

>Here's a FACT for you. Race, as an entire concept, is not
>scientific...like, at all. Race is an entirely social
>construct loosely based on some biological/genetic
>identifiers, but it's not an actual scientific concept. So,
>what are you talking about?
>
Race is made up I will give you that. That doesn't take away the fact that you can tell someone is from a particular descent based on melanin in their skin. You can tell the difference between a white person and a black person based on levels of melanin in their skin.

>>
>>We are the norm but your overall motive is to normalize
>>homosexuality, when it is in fact abnormal behavior.
>
>Whiteness is the norm in the United states. So, blackness is
>an abnormal state of being here.

Ok

>Do you think you deserve less
>rights, because you're a minority in this country? Why should
>you have equal rights? Asserting your blackness disturbs the
>normality of whiteness.

No because I was actually born this way. Like it's proven. Science can prove that. Why don't you get what I am saying? You can look at me and know I am black. You can check my dna and know that I am black. I cannot look at a gay person and say yeah he's gay. I cannot look at a gay person's dna and say yeah he's gay. Be REAL.

>>Obviously we are the victim if we have no control over what
>is
>>being done. There's plenty of people who don't want to see
>gay
>>shit on t.v. but guess who runs the show? Gay white people.
>>Are you that fucking naive to not see their's some skeptical
>>shit going on.
>>So because these bad things have happened to gays this means
>>that we must sensationalize it and promote it on television?

>A few representations of LGBT people does not equal
>sensationalism. We live in an era, when there is more TV
>programming than there ever has been. If you never wanna see a
>gay person at all, there is a litany of programming you can go
>to that expressly excludes LGBT people, if you so desire.
>

Not when they throw it in on the sly in cartoons homie. You would think shit like that would not be in cartoons but it is.

>>I'm trying to understand your logic?

>It's not very hard to understand. I'm actually quite good at
>clearly articulating my points.

The logic you are giving doesn't add up.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 02:32 PM

358. "RE: You are absolutely using the same rhetoric. "
In response to Reply # 355

>Race is made up I will give you that. That doesn't take away
>the fact that you can tell someone is from a particular
>descent based on melanin in their skin. You can tell the
>difference between a white person and a black person based on
>levels of melanin in their skin.

No, you can't that's what makes it so laughable from a scientific perspective.

>>>We are the norm but your overall motive is to normalize
>>>homosexuality, when it is in fact abnormal behavior.
>>
>>Whiteness is the norm in the United states. So, blackness is
>>an abnormal state of being here.
>
>Ok
>
>>Do you think you deserve less
>>rights, because you're a minority in this country? Why
>should
>>you have equal rights? Asserting your blackness disturbs the
>>normality of whiteness.

>No because I was actually born this way. Like it's proven.
>Science can prove that. Why don't you get what I am saying?
>You can look at me and know I am black. You can check my dna
>and know that I am black. I cannot look at a gay person and
>say yeah he's gay. I cannot look at a gay person's dna and say
>yeah he's gay. Be REAL.

You can't check DNA for race. You can check DNA for your genetic ancestry, but not race. Race is not a scientific classification. What part of this don't you understand?

>
>Not when they throw it in on the sly in cartoons homie. You
>would think shit like that would not be in cartoons but it
>is.

This is exactly what white folks said when they started seeing black people on their TVs

>>>I'm trying to understand your logic?
>
>>It's not very hard to understand. I'm actually quite good at
>>clearly articulating my points.
>
>The logic you are giving doesn't add up.

My logic is sound. You, however, have an issue with comprehension.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 03:29 PM

362. "RE: You are absolutely using the same rhetoric. "
In response to Reply # 358

>
>No, you can't that's what makes it so laughable from a
>scientific perspective.
>

Wait what? you can look this up on wikipedia lol.

In humans, melanin is the primary determinant of skin color. It is also found in hair, the pigmented tissue underlying the iris of the eye, and the stria vascularis of the inner ear. In the brain, tissues with melanin include the medulla and pigment-bearing neurons within areas of the brainstem, such as the locus coeruleus and the substantia nigra. It also occurs in the zona reticularis of the adrenal gland.

You can't figure out where someone descends from by looking at their dna? I meant to take that line out about finding where you're from based on melanin.

>You can't check DNA for race. You can check DNA for your
>genetic ancestry, but not race. Race is not a scientific
>classification. What part of this don't you understand?
>

Where do you think the concept of race stems from? Your genetic ancestory...

>This is exactly what white folks said when they started seeing
>black people on their TVs

Listen you cannot equate my genetic ancestory to abnormal behavior. We're talking a behavior not people that look a particular way.

>My logic is sound. You, however, have an issue with
>comprehension.

I beg to differ.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 03:50 PM

364. "You can't use melanin to determine race..."
In response to Reply # 362

>In humans, melanin is the primary determinant of skin color.
>It is also found in hair, the pigmented tissue underlying the
>iris of the eye, and the stria vascularis of the inner ear. In
>the brain, tissues with melanin include the medulla and
>pigment-bearing neurons within areas of the brainstem, such as
>the locus coeruleus and the substantia nigra. It also occurs
>in the zona reticularis of the adrenal gland.

A Native American, Black person, East Indian person can all have the same level of melanin and none of them are classified as the same race. Not to mention the fact that Black people have a wide variation of melanin levels. It's not a reliable marker for classification.

>You can't figure out where someone descends from by looking at
>their dna? I meant to take that line out about finding where
>you're from based on melanin.
>
>>You can't check DNA for race. You can check DNA for your
>>genetic ancestry, but not race. Race is not a scientific
>>classification. What part of this don't you understand?
>>
>
>Where do you think the concept of race stems from? Your
>genetic ancestory...

But that's not what race is based on. It's loosely based on similar physical characteristics, nothing more. Race was constructed before we even had genetic studies were even advanced enough to be used for classification.

>Listen you cannot equate my genetic ancestory to abnormal
>behavior. We're talking a behavior not people that look a
>particular way.

But sexual orientation isn't behavior. You, yourself, admitted that your sexual orientation was innate, hence something you were born with. We covered that earlier, remember?

>>My logic is sound. You, however, have an issue with
>>comprehension.
>
>I beg to differ.

Maybe you have an issue with retention, because we've already covered some of this ground.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 04:18 PM

365. "RE: You can't use melanin to determine race..."
In response to Reply # 364

>But sexual orientation isn't behavior. You, yourself, admitted
>that your sexual orientation was innate, hence something you
>were born with. We covered that earlier, remember?
>

Sexual orientation does not predict your sexual preference which is what matters here... we covered that earlier remember? a thought or urge doesn't determine an action remember?

>>>My logic is sound. You, however, have an issue with
>>>comprehension.
>>
>>I beg to differ.
>
>Maybe you have an issue with retention, because we've already
>covered some of this ground.

SMH.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 04:25 PM

366. "Dude, sexual preference isn't actually a thing... "
In response to Reply # 365
Thu Sep-03-15 04:28 PM by Starbaby Jones

unless you're referring to bisexuals. Otherwise, it's like referring to phrenology. It's an antiquated form of science that is widely accepted as unreliable.

>Sexual orientation does not predict your sexual preference
>which is what matters here... we covered that earlier
>remember? a thought or urge doesn't determine an action
>remember?

Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, asexual, pansexual are all sexual orientations. There is no classification by sexual preference. In the case of determining if a person is any of the aforementioned classifications one's thoughts and urges are precisely what is used to determine one's classification. Whether or not a person acts on their urges has no bearing on their classification. You keep bringing up science, but this is the scientific consensus for determining sexual orientation. Literally all of this is one Google search away.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 04:48 PM

367. "RE: Dude, sexual preference isn't actually a thing... "
In response to Reply # 366

Sexual preference is an actual thing... If you knew anything about psychology you would know that they are two separate things.

>Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, asexual, pansexual are all
>sexual orientations. There is no classification by sexual
>preference. In the case of determining if a person is any of
>the aforementioned classifications one's thoughts and urges
>are precisely what is used to determine one's classification.
>Whether or not a person acts on their urges has no bearing on
>their classification. You keep bringing up science, but this
>is the scientific consensus for determining sexual
>orientation. Literally all of this is one Google search away.
>

Explain how you can prove that someone is Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, asexual, or pansexual genetically. Explain how you can differentiate between those sexual orientations you mentioned genetically. If you are born that way there will be distinctions between them all when looking at it genetically. Tell me why that is not possible now. After all this talk about this why haven't psychologists conducted a study on it and come to a conclusion?

They already know what the answer is. This shit is left lingering so people like yourself can make argument for the normalization of homosexuality. This is all apart of the plan that you don't care to see.
Sexual orientation is a thought it is not apart of you, it is not in your genetic makeup.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 05:01 PM

370. "It is an antiquated term that is no longer in use."
In response to Reply # 367

>Sexual preference is an actual thing... If you knew anything
>about psychology you would know that they are two separate
>things.

Reputable psychologists to do not use that term anymore, because the consensus around sexual orientation has changed.

>Explain how you can prove that someone is Homosexual,
>heterosexual, bisexual, asexual, or pansexual genetically.
>Explain how you can differentiate between those sexual
>orientations you mentioned genetically.

Race can't be explained genetically. Yet, you keep trying to say they can't be compared. Race is an entirely social construct with a loose basis in science and it cannot be identified genetically.

If you are born that way there will be distinctions between them all when looking
>at it genetically. Tell me why that is not possible now. After
>all this talk about this why haven't psychologists conducted a
>study on it and come to a conclusion?

If you're asking for genetic proof, why would that come from a psychologist? Psychologists don't work with genes. You're conflating scientific disciplines. There are, however, geneticists working on finding a genetic identifier, but like most genetic traits, it hasn't been found. The fact is we haven't discovered genetic markers for the majority of human characteristics, it's an ongoing study.

>They already know what the answer is. This shit is left
>lingering so people like yourself can make argument for the
>normalization of homosexuality. This is all apart of the plan
>that you don't care to see.
>Sexual orientation is a thought it is not apart of you, it is
>not in your genetic makeup.

Sexual orientation is what is accepted as scientific consensus. What you're railing against is a scientific reality that conflicts with your personal beliefs. It's not about normalization, it's about scientific reality, which you have a very weak grasp on.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 06:08 PM

377. "RE: It is an antiquated term that is no longer in use."
In response to Reply # 370

>Reputable psychologists to do not use that term anymore,
>because the consensus around sexual orientation has changed.

LOL. Ok.

>
>>Explain how you can prove that someone is Homosexual,
>>heterosexual, bisexual, asexual, or pansexual genetically.
>>Explain how you can differentiate between those sexual
>>orientations you mentioned genetically.
>
>Race can't be explained genetically. Yet, you keep trying to
>say they can't be compared. Race is an entirely social
>construct with a loose basis in science and it cannot be
>identified genetically.

Fuck race nigga... get off that... You can figure out your genetic ancestry that way. You still haven't done any explaining. Explain my boy. You can figure out something about your lineage that is the point. You can't say the same about your sexuality.

What can you learn about someones sexual orientation by conducting a DNA test?

>Sexual orientation is what is accepted as scientific
>consensus. What you're railing against is a scientific reality
>that conflicts with your personal beliefs. It's not about
>normalization, it's about scientific reality, which you have a
>very weak grasp on.
>

Science has deemed marijuana to be a dangerous drug as well. That was a scientific reality for a long time. LOL. We've come to find out that it is less harmful that alcohol. So what do you say about the people who are rallying against the negative effects of that drug? Scientists once said it was a gateway drug bruh to heroin and shit like that... FOH.

Sexual orientation determinants are not confirmed my friend. We don't know how sexual orientation is determined. But you seem to have 1 up on the scientist and psychologists so ok.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/sexual-orientation

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 06:30 PM

378. "So, you just ignore anything that doesn't fit your narrative"
In response to Reply # 377

>Fuck race nigga... get off that... You can figure out your
>genetic ancestry that way. You still haven't done any
>explaining. Explain my boy. You can figure out something about
>your lineage that is the point. You can't say the same about
>your sexuality.

Nigga, you brought up race. You kept saying how it could be proved scientifically. You said that's why it couldn't be compared to sexual orientation. You can't just cavalierly jump over that shit when you brought it up in the first place and you can't move the goalpost when it gets inconvenient.

>What can you learn about someones sexual orientation by
>conducting a DNA test?

I literally just said it's an ongoing study. The vast majority human traits are not able to be identified by DNA yet. It's a quickly developing field of study. You think you have a point here, but there's no gotcha moment here.

>>Sexual orientation is what is accepted as scientific
>>consensus. What you're railing against is a scientific
>reality
>>that conflicts with your personal beliefs. It's not about
>>normalization, it's about scientific reality, which you have
>a
>>very weak grasp on.

>Science has deemed marijuana to be a dangerous drug as well.
>That was a scientific reality for a long time. LOL. We've come
>to find out that it is less harmful that alcohol. So what do
>you say about the people who are rallying against the negative
>effects of that drug? Scientists once said it was a gateway
>drug bruh to heroin and shit like that... FOH.

Yeah, I literally just explained how scientific changes and has changed regarding sexual preference/sexual orientation. We've learned more about the way sexuality works and it's changed accordingly. You're the only one holding on to an antiquated view of sexuality that is not accepted scientific consensus. Like, how are you in here screaming about science, while simultaneously ignoring scientific consensus. You can't have it both ways, b.

>Sexual orientation determinants are not confirmed my friend.
>We don't know how sexual orientation is determined. But you
>seem to have 1 up on the scientist and psychologists so ok.

No, I'm in alignment with scientists and psychologists. Nigga, did you read the link you posted?

>https://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/sexual-orientation

*from the link* While most scientists agree that nature and nurture both play complex roles, the determinants of sexual orientation are still poorly understood. Current research into its underpinnings frequently focuses on the role of genes, environment, brain structure, and hormones.

You're claiming there isn't a scientific basis for it, when that is precisely where scientists are focusing their efforts. I never claimed they found all the answers yet. Again, you yourself admitted to having no control over your sexual orientation. Yet, you want to act like gays are some sort of magical beings who can program theirs. You keep trying to argue science, when science backs me up and then throw away the consensus when it doesn't fall in your favor.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 12:15 AM

389. "In conclusion"
In response to Reply # 378
Fri Sep-04-15 12:16 AM by ILLwiLL132

This is my last one I promise...

http://www.godandscience.org/evolution/genetics_of_homosexuality.html

"Why are people gay? The question of how homosexual orientation originates has been the subject of much press, with the general impression being promoted that homosexuality is largely a matter of genes, rather than environmental factors. However, if one examines the scientific literature, one finds that it's not quite as clear as the news bytes would suggest. The early studies that reported differences in the brains of homosexuals were complicated by HIV infection and were not substantiated by larger, better controlled studies. Numerous studies reported that possible hormonal differences affected homosexual orientation. However, these studies were often directly contradictory, and never actually measured any hormone levels, but just used proxies for hormonal influences, without direct evidence that the proxies were actually indicative of true hormone levels or imbalances. Twin studies showed that there likely are genetic influences for homosexuality, although similar studies have shown some genetic influences for homophobia and even opposition to abortion. Early childhood abuse has been associated with homosexuality, but, at most, only explains about 10% of those who express a homosexual orientation. The fact that sexual orientation is not constant for many individuals, but can change over time suggests that at least part of sexual orientation is actually sexual preference. Attempts to find a "gay gene" have never identified any gene or gene product that is actually associated with homosexual orientation, with studies failing to confirm early suggestions of linkage of homosexuality to region Xq28 on the X chromosome. The question of genetic influences on sexual orientation has been recently examined using DNA microarray technology, although, the results have largely failed to pinpoint any specific genes as a factor in sexual orientation."

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 12:37 AM

390. "Dude, that is not a reputable source."
In response to Reply # 389

It's laughable that you would even pull that site as if it were a legitimate source.

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double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22151 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 05:12 PM

372. "nigga...you sound crazy as FUCK right now"
In response to Reply # 347

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Ashy Achilles
Member since Sep 22nd 2005
4548 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 01:08 PM

349. "maybe those religions are bullshit then"
In response to Reply # 343

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 01:15 PM

350. "Aww, hell. I just saw you weren't talking to me. "
In response to Reply # 349
Thu Sep-03-15 01:16 PM by Starbaby Jones

Carry on, lol.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 01:47 PM

351. "RE: maybe those religions are bullshit then"
In response to Reply # 349

LOL, OK.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 05:09 PM

260. "Wait, why couldn't you have grandchildren..."
In response to Reply # 256
Wed Sep-02-15 05:22 PM by Starbaby Jones

if your kids were gay? I know a grip of gay couples with children, over half of them biological, if that's where you're going. Being gay doesn't mean your reproductive functions stop working.

Adversely, would you feel your kids were any less valuable if they had fertility issues and weren't able to conceive, despite being heterosexual relationships?

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quadrush
Member since Apr 16th 2003
21414 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 05:16 PM

261. "RE: This is a stupid point"
In response to Reply # 256

>You don't have a problem because your gay and are ok with the
>gay lifestyle. I on the other hand don't care for it one way
>or the other and have children and I want to have
>grandchildren. That won't happen if my children turn out gay.
>By normalizing this behavior you are making my job harder and
>parents like myself as well. But you guys do not care... what
>you care about is your personal acceptance in this society.
>You all have no cares about how this can possibly affect
>children's future. Once again we are not entitled to accept
>your lifestyle. Just like white people don't have to accept
>black people's gangbanging lifestyle.

So let me first say that I mean this is in the most respectful way possible.

Shut the entire Fuck Up you stupid motherfucker! I grew up with a heterosexual mother and a heterosexual father and I grew up in the 80's and 90's. I point that out to say that homosexuality was not "normal" in my upbringing. I also grew up in a very religious family so the gay was doubly frowned upon. But guess the fuck what! I am fucking gay! So this stupid fucking idea that you have about kids seeing gay will make them think it's ok and therefore turn to it does not make any fucking sense and my experience shows that it is not true. You, sir, may know a whole lot of shit but you obviously know NOTHING about sexuality. I hope the kids that you have aren't gay since you will most likely push them into sexual repression.

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ILLwiLL132
Member since Jul 14th 2011
217 posts

Wed Sep-02-15 06:00 PM

271. "RE: This is a stupid point"
In response to Reply # 261

>>You don't have a problem because your gay and are ok with
>the
>>gay lifestyle. I on the other hand don't care for it one way
>>or the other and have children and I want to have
>>grandchildren. That won't happen if my children turn out
>gay.
>>By normalizing this behavior you are making my job harder
>and
>>parents like myself as well. But you guys do not care...
>what
>>you care about is your personal acceptance in this society.
>>You all have no cares about how this can possibly affect
>>children's future. Once again we are not entitled to accept
>>your lifestyle. Just like white people don't have to accept
>>black people's gangbanging lifestyle.
>
>So let me first say that I mean this is in the most
>respectful way possible.
>
>Shut the entire Fuck Up you stupid motherfucker! I grew up
>with a heterosexual mother and a heterosexual father and I
>grew up in the 80's and 90's. I point that out to say that
>homosexuality was not "normal" in my upbringing. I also grew
>up in a very religious family so the gay was doubly frowned
>upon. But guess the fuck what! I am fucking gay! So this
>stupid fucking idea that you have about kids seeing gay will
>make them think it's ok and therefore turn to it does not make
>any fucking sense and my experience shows that it is not true.
>You, sir, may know a whole lot of shit but you obviously know
>NOTHING about sexuality. I hope the kids that you have aren't
>gay since you will most likely push them into sexual
>repression.
>

So you don't think images in media affect how people think?
I'm far from stupid champ. Get out your feelings and debate if thats what you came to do.
Explain Bisexuality. Where do people get the idea to mess around with both genders? They're born that way huh?

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Atillah Moor
Member since Sep 05th 2013
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:43 PM

236. "All leaders are divisive. Mohammed, Jesus, MLK, Malcolm, JFK"
In response to Reply # 221

Even Buddha.

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Utamaroho
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:54 PM

242. "preach"
In response to Reply # 236

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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:09 PM

222. "what knowledge tho? "
In response to Reply # 216

>So once you didn't agre on that one point yall completely
>ignored all the other Knowledge he was dropping.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:44 PM

237. "You can't find any in the first 17 minutes?"
In response to Reply # 222

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Moonlit_Force
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Wed Sep-02-15 03:54 PM

241. "Again, the relevant points he makes are not his own..."
In response to Reply # 237

... and have BEEN a part of the dialogue that's been going on in education reform.

Folks in here are sipping his particular brand of kool-aid.

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soken
Member since Aug 31st 2009
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:05 PM

245. "*stands in this line"
In response to Reply # 241

we keep it moving,

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:35 PM

281. "We aren't talking about points, here. We're talking abt knowledge."
In response to Reply # 241

He asked "What knowledge"
so, once again...
Are yall saying he doesn't sound knowledgeable in those first 17 minutes?
Does he really sound like someone who knows nothing?

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:45 PM

283. "He sounds like someone who knows surface info. "
In response to Reply # 281

For instance, in that first 17 minutes, he never clarifies that no psychologist prescribes, because they can't, since they're not medical doctors. The reason I point that out is because there is a dire need for our community to seek out mental health to deal with the sheer stress of being black in America. I would expect him, as a psychologist to point this out to encourage black folks to seek out that help.

Also, during his points about black children in schools, he started out on point, then veered into misogyny. Black girls are just as much a target as black boys in schools. The fact is children of color, of both genders, are seen as threats to some white teachers. It's not about black boys not acting like girls, like at all.

He knows enough to sound knowledgeable, but when you dig in, it lacks the substance of someone who truly knows their ish.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 07:02 PM

287. "How does any of that speak to his knowledge or lack thereof tho?"
In response to Reply # 283

>For instance, in that first 17 minutes, he never clarifies
>that no psychologist prescribes, because they can't, since
>they're not medical doctors. The reason I point that out is
>because there is a dire need for our community to seek out
>mental health to deal with the sheer stress of being black in
>America. I would expect him, as a psychologist to point this
>out to encourage black folks to seek out that help.

Great suggestion, but how does that speak to a lack of knowledge on his part?

>Also, during his points about black children in schools, he
>started out on point, then veered into misogyny. Black girls
>are just as much a target as black boys in schools. The fact
>is children of color, of both genders, are seen as threats to
>some white teachers. It's not about black boys not acting like
>girls, like at all.

I agree with this, for the most part. I'd like to hear his response to it, but how does
it speak to a lack of knowledge?... especially when he expressed his desire to build
a school for both boys and girls. Do you think his point about boys, testosterone,
and "hyper-activity" was completely off-base, in general... not talking exceptions,
but generally speaking?

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 07:17 PM

288. "A lack of nuance usually infers incomplete knowledge"
In response to Reply # 287

>>For instance, in that first 17 minutes, he never clarifies
>>that no psychologist prescribes, because they can't, since
>>they're not medical doctors. The reason I point that out is
>>because there is a dire need for our community to seek out
>>mental health to deal with the sheer stress of being black
>in
>>America. I would expect him, as a psychologist to point this
>>out to encourage black folks to seek out that help.
>
>
>Great suggestion, but how does that speak to a lack of
>knowledge on his part?

The fact that he let such a huge distinction, about his field of work no less, slide with no correction, doesn't look that great to me. It could be my expectations, but I expect a PsyD to advocate for mental health. I understand telling people don't run to a psychiatrist to get your child on drugs, but I would expect for him to say, however, if your child does have issues coping in the school environment or what have you, therapy is a good tool. It just seems neglectful to let that ride for that long with no correction or distinction.

>>Also, during his points about black children in schools, he
>>started out on point, then veered into misogyny. Black girls
>>are just as much a target as black boys in schools. The fact
>>is children of color, of both genders, are seen as threats
>to
>>some white teachers. It's not about black boys not acting
>like
>>girls, like at all.
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>I agree with this, for the most part. I'd like to hear his
>response to it, but how does
>it speak to a lack of knowledge?... especially when he
>expressed his desire to build
>a school for both boys and girls. Do you think his point
>about boys, testosterone,
>and "hyper-activity" was completely off-base, in general...
>not talking exceptions,
>but generally speaking?

I wouldn't say they're completely off-base, but I do think it was highly reductive. Again, I get not wanting to just throw kids on drugs, en masse. I do think, however, it's irresponsible to present it as if there aren't legitimate ADHD diagnosis. I was a teacher, I've taught kids who have ADHD. That shit is real and there are ways to deal with it that don't involve drugs. He was, however, right in alluding to the fact that teachers aren't really empowered to do that because of the structure of our education system.

I get that it was a morning radio talk show. So, he wasn't able to go fully in depth. I do think, there were enough holes in his logic to make me suspicious about how deep his knowledge was on certain fronts. I'll say it good to have someone raising certain questions, the danger comes in conflating it with his personal views.

The biggest sentiment he expressed that I can clap to was him saying, if you don't agree with me that shouldn't stop you from supporting other black institutions that need your help. I wholeheartedly agree with that and I'm taking that to heart.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Thu Sep-03-15 12:03 AM

307. "RE:"
In response to Reply # 288
Thu Sep-03-15 12:04 AM by Boogie Stimuli

>The fact that he let such a huge distinction, about his field
>of work no less, slide with no correction, doesn't look that
>great to me. It could be my expectations, but I expect a PsyD
>to advocate for mental health. I understand telling people
>don't run to a psychiatrist to get your child on drugs, but I
>would expect for him to say, however, if your child does have
>issues coping in the school environment or what have you,
>therapy is a good tool. It just seems neglectful to let that
>ride for that long with no correction or distinction.

I ain't mad at that.

>I wouldn't say they're completely off-base, but I do think it
>was highly reductive. Again, I get not wanting to just throw
>kids on drugs, en masse. I do think, however, it's
>irresponsible to present it as if there aren't legitimate ADHD
>diagnosis. I was a teacher, I've taught kids who have ADHD.
>That shit is real and there are ways to deal with it that
>don't involve drugs.

I ain't mad at this either. The thing I can say here tho, is that I think he doesn't
mention legit cases, because legit diagnosis doesn't qualify as a problem to be corrected.

>He was, however, right in alluding to the
>fact that teachers aren't really empowered to do that because
>of the structure of our education system.
>
>I get that it was a morning radio talk show. So, he wasn't
>able to go fully in depth. I do think, there were enough holes
>in his logic to make me suspicious about how deep his
>knowledge was on certain fronts. I'll say it good to have
>someone raising certain questions, the danger comes in
>conflating it with his personal views.

I actually agree about conflating personal views... not that I don't appreciate him
sharing them, but I think more of a distinction can be made on his part.

>The biggest sentiment he expressed that I can clap to was him
>saying, if you don't agree with me that shouldn't stop you
>from supporting other black institutions that need your help.
>I wholeheartedly agree with that and I'm taking that to heart.

Word, I wish more of us had that mentality.

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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:29 PM

250. "i think people are equating "knowledge" with "sh*t they agree with""
In response to Reply # 237

whether i agree w/ what he's saying or not doesnt matter to me (for the sake of this post), but i'd be wary of folks accepting his "knowledge" at face value because it sounds like some sh*t they agree with.

i heard nothing new in the interview. he basically rounded up existing, fairly popular positions, reduced them to soundbites and quick talking points (which in his defense, is basically all he could or should do in a quick Breakfast Club interview) and let people eat it up.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:41 PM

282. "So the term ADD wasn't introduced in 1980?"
In response to Reply # 250

You have to agree with that FACT to call it knowledge?

I don't have to tell you how that sounds

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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:08 PM

292. "rolls eyes. ok. the "knowledge" that people are referring to is facts li..."
In response to Reply # 282
Wed Sep-02-15 11:09 PM by Government Name

ADD being introduced in 1980. if that's the kind of "real sh*t" that people (in here) are getting giddy about, then by all means, i stand corrected.

pretty sure you just wanna argue and you're mad, so i'm gonna take this opportunity to exit the "debate".

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:19 PM

295. "lmao"
In response to Reply # 292

>ADD being introduced in 1980. if that's the kind of "real
>sh*t" that people (in here) are getting giddy about, then by
>all means, i stand corrected.

That's just an example I could fit in a subject line. I can give you a list of facts in the
video if you like. Knowing facts = knowledge. I think the word you're looking for is
"insight". There were some there, but hell, attacking those would be a much better
approach on your part than saying he isn't knowledgeable.

>pretty sure you just wanna argue and you're mad, so i'm gonna
>take this opportunity to exit the "debate".

Don't confuse my being unafraid of an argument with *wanting* to argue. He said
enough truly questionable things in the video that the lies aren't necessary. Just call
me Lie Patrol lol.

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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:30 PM

298. "dog, i used "knowledge" cause the person i was repsonding to used it"
In response to Reply # 295
Wed Sep-02-15 11:31 PM by Government Name

so i was working off the "definition" i assumed he was using. however, if the knowledge he's referring to is facts like the one you mentioned, i already said i stand corrected.

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:35 PM

300. "Word"
In response to Reply # 298

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Crisco
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:47 PM

284. "He was being interviews on a morning show, The host were"
In response to Reply # 250

jumping topics left and right. He answered accordingly. Some answers were scientifically backed, Some answers where derived from his clinical experience and some answers were common damn sense.

Not everyone is gonna agree with all of what he said. But to call him crazy based on one or two answers you don't agree with is part of the problem.

I for one could careless why he thinks people are gay.

But all that other shit he said was important to me and should be to you.

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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:11 PM

293. "i know the platform had its limitations, which is why im taking it all"
In response to Reply # 284
Wed Sep-02-15 11:16 PM by Government Name

w/ a grain of salt. and again, nothing he said was particularly new or profound. and if these are positions that you were previously unfamiliar with, i urge you to not just take his Breakfast Club interview as facts/knowledge or whatever and do your own research.

>But all that other shit he said was important to me and should
>be to you.

examples?

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:28 PM

297. "Okp, land of the above-it-all know-it-alls"
In response to Reply # 293
Wed Sep-02-15 11:36 PM by Boogie Stimuli

Perhaps he inspires people to know more about these issues, and that's a GREAT thing.
He might be some peoples' holy grail and other folks' introduction.
It's like the snob attitude of okp is to look down on folks for being excited about any
type of knowledge on some "know more than thou" shit.
Some of us just like the fact that he said it in a way that inspired folks who weren't
even considering any of this
ALLL these mufuckas yall say is saying the same thing but
1) they ain't the ones who inspiring a certain demographic, and
2) yall ain't named NO names.
That's because yall on that "nanana boo boo I know more than you" shit.
Name names if you really 'bout that. Add to the pool of resources.
If you ain't helping the movement move, what enjoyment do you get out of hatin' on
the cats sparking the flame in folks?

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Government Name
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:39 PM

301. "i feel you on that. 100%. but i get concerned that people take this sh*t"
In response to Reply # 297

at face value cause it sounds like something they agree with or wanna agree with. that's dangerous (in my opinion).

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Boogie Stimuli
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:49 PM

305. "Word, I understand that concern."
In response to Reply # 301

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Musa
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:01 PM

243. "Not necessarily okayplayer been on that sellout comfortable "
In response to Reply # 216

with mediocrity got an office job and forgot your political position negros for the past decade.

These negros will be on the bandwagon when it's too late.

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Utamaroho
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:06 PM

246. "Dr. Umar Johnson confronted by LGBT Feminist"
In response to Reply # 0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBpu_MWxYtM

pretty good shit right here. sometimes i wonder if black LGBT people are fatigued to the point of not even WANTING to have this conversation on the verge of their issues being accepted and mainstreamed in the larger culture while being ostracized by their own in the black community. as someone who pretty much deals with friends in this community and lived with a gay black male activist here in Atlanta for a few years in my home, the conversations on this matter are usually a good view into peoples' motivations and biases. it would get HEATED when i took Umar's stance for the sake of argument but ultimately understanding someones' perspective is the FIRST step in working together towards the goals WE have to achieve. the internal bickering is counter productive when trying to actually get something done. not to mention.... how could "I" possibly work with christians when i don't believe their worldview about the very nature about the UNIVERSE itself???!?! do i let this cripple any type of nation building or positive moves that i might want to see?

i do think umar does a diplomatic job of explaining his position and in this era where everyone wants to be politically correct and "liked", still carries himself in a manner where he invites more dialogue than other examples that are less exemplary in black leadership. at the same time, i know people tend to nitpick and find their hot issues buttons and then bury their head in the sand about shit and basically dismiss people instead of dialogue, but whattayagonnado???*shrugs*

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:30 PM

251. "I'm still trying to figure out how..."
In response to Reply # 246

as a psychologist, he's so cavalier with ignoring intersectionality.

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Utamaroho
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:40 PM

254. "mental laziness or a fervent need..."
In response to Reply # 251

to push his worldview. which is cool i guess, but when you go so hard on your own thoughts you leave out the option of consuming more knowledge. (or at least the rate slows down considerably)

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Starbaby Jones
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Wed Sep-02-15 04:48 PM

255. "Yeah, "
In response to Reply # 254

It's just crazy how he can cite the high suicide among gay/trans black kids and simultaneously ignore how the ideas he's pushing would contribute to the climate of shame that would push them to kill themselves.

It's also amazing to me how many pro-black cats don't see the connection of white missionaries/colonizers expressly spreading homophobia. You would think from that stance they would be automatically suspicious of something that puts them in direct ideological alignment with the conservative, often vehemently anti-black, right.

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bentagain
Member since Mar 19th 2008
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Wed Sep-02-15 05:55 PM

269. "where was black lives matter for Mike Brown?"
In response to Reply # 246
Wed Sep-02-15 05:57 PM by bentagain

A: BLM was founded by gay black women

well that's just a ditraction

WTF?

homophobia is a prejudice

does it need to be a psychological condition to be true?

sounds like semantics

he disagrees with it being a diagnosable phobia

racism is also a prejudice

is that in his book?

he tried to even spin that argument

I would guess homosexuality was removed from his book based on THE LACK of evidence

supporting the claim that it is a mental/medical disorder

while research continued to support debunking that claim

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/02/myth-buster.aspx

but he needs a scientific study to say homophobia exists

5 seconds on google =

"A second problem with psychoanalytic studies is that they have only examined homosexuals who were already under psychiatric care – in other words, homosexuals who were seeking treatment or therapy."

so wouldn't one expect a homosexual in psychiatric care to have endured a traumatic event anyway?

I'm mostly troubled by the association of homosexual with pedophile

feels like some would move the goal posts so far

that they end up defending pedophilia

really f'n weird.

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Crisco
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Wed Sep-02-15 06:54 PM

286. "RE: Dr. Umar Johnson confronted by LGBT Feminist"
In response to Reply # 246

>
>i do think umar does a diplomatic job of explaining his
>position and in this era where everyone wants to be
>politically correct and "liked", still carries himself in a
>manner where he invites more dialogue than other examples that
>are less exemplary in black leadership. at the same time, i
>know people tend to nitpick and find their hot issues buttons
>and then bury their head in the sand about shit and basically
>dismiss people instead of dialogue, but
>whattayagonnado???*shrugs*

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no_i_cant_dance
Member since Apr 10th 2006
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Wed Sep-02-15 08:38 PM

289. "Acknowledging the ways Black men support cis hetero patriarchy is NOT"
In response to Reply # 246

bickering. Dismantling that fuck shit is actually factually imperative to our safety & self-determination as Black people. If our lgbtq folks not free, we're not free as a people!

But what this clown Umar & his defenders want is not freedom & safety for ALL Black people. On the contrary, these goofy negroes want to replace white men as the top benefactors of patriarchy. Oh, but some of us will NOT allow that status quo garbage to get far. The devil needs no advocates guys lol. Like, y'all really out "arguing" the humanity of Black lgbtq people TO THE FACES of other Black lgbtq people? Congrats, on still have your teeth bUT I am hoping that your luck soon runs out lol.

As for the part about why Black lgbtq folks marching for the lives/legacies of cis het Black people?...I do NOT begrudge Black lgbtq people for refusing to show up for us when we fail them constantly, sanity/safety first. But, I am always grateful for the overwhelming support they do show tho.

But yeah, fuck Umar & his logical defenders tho lol.

I dont want to give the impression that I am not culpable for perpetuating the fuck shit either. As a cis het Black woman, I benefit from this system intra/inter communally, so I stfu to listen/hear my lgtbq folks, amplify their voices when I can, protect them from harm when I can, & follow their leads. I am marginalized & privileged due to the intersections of my identity, BUT I am mindful of that shit & try do better everyday.

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Sarah_Bellum
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Thu Sep-03-15 01:35 AM

312. "So... you just gon' come in here speaking whole truth?"
In response to Reply # 289

I love when it comes to black gays and black women how fast black nationalist become the white man they supposedly hate...

They start out like this...
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/57/e3/b8/57e3b89b675cef897e92708b8047dcde.gif

And end up like this...
http://i.imgur.com/TuEWJVI.gif

Like they honestly are mad at white folks for not being able to see the humanity of any black person, yet they can't see the humanity of over half of the black population. I don't know about you but I don't see the point of trading one master for another.
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Thu Sep-03-15 08:03 AM

316. "^^^^this shit right here. this. shit. right. here."
In response to Reply # 312

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no_i_cant_dance
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Thu Sep-03-15 03:26 PM

361. "Just trying to keep up w/ your brilliance sis : -)."
In response to Reply # 312

Lmao @ those gifs tho & that's exactly how they are!!

Like, these dudes will say that Black people working for the safety & freedom of the most vulnerable in our communities is working AGAINST Black liberation...it's just beyond my comprehension.

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Sarah_Bellum
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Fri Sep-04-15 02:25 AM

393. "Exactly, yet I'm supposed to send a child to this fool to be educated "
In response to Reply # 361
Fri Sep-04-15 02:27 AM by Sarah_Bellum

in homophobia and misogyny... and some how that's not going to be harmful to them or the black community at a core level... matter of fact, it's going to get us all one step closer to self mastery?!?! Foolishness. On top of that, basic things don't seem to be in place... an advisory board or a start up committee, 501c3 status, a real PhD.

This dude is a standard issue hotep con man from philly, with the kung fu grip who is taking donations that cannot be tracked. They crank these dudes out by the barrel there.

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Musa
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:28 AM

323. "Patriarch means male head of family "
In response to Reply # 289

you know you need a man and a woman to make another person right?

kill the emotional rhetoric.

And if you want to get really funky self hating negros with agendas other than Black liberation are the biggest aids to white male hegemony and domination currently and historically.(otherwise misnomer/ labeled as patriarchy)

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afrogirl_lost
Member since May 22nd 2012
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Thu Sep-03-15 02:28 PM

357. "Oh shut the fuck up"
In response to Reply # 323

Black liberation is the freedom of ALL Black people...gay, straight, black women, black trans folks. An understanding of intersetionality and multiple oppressions is needed to achieve this. Black ci-gendered men need to stop thinking that their experiences/issues represent the liberation goals of every Black person. THAT is why our movements fail. So tired of this lack of analysis from supposedly educated people.

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Sarah_Bellum
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Thu Sep-03-15 03:30 PM

363. "This is what happens when people get advanced degrees in hotepery"
In response to Reply # 357
Thu Sep-03-15 03:34 PM by Sarah_Bellum

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Musa
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Thu Sep-03-15 04:54 PM

368. "Nope because you in your emotions"
In response to Reply # 357
Thu Sep-03-15 04:56 PM by Musa

you want to lick vagina and make up a fancy name for that fine by me but don't make you gender agenda the overall encompassing issue of the movement.

On top of that negros are all type of sick but we want to keep sexuality outside of the physical, mental, and SPIRITUAL SICKNESS that could be affected.

INTERSECTIONALITY is a joke the reason Black folk are screwed up is because everyone is getting their ass kicked and yall got every theory in the book on who is most oppressed yet no kind of IDENTITY OR CULTURE to define as your own.

Miss me with the bullshit.

Lets be very clear you chose a gender politic that does not have your best interest in mind. Niggas got all kinds of gay folk in their family who ain't never been excluded from anything your insecurity is the issue why because deep down inside you question yourself.

OH PS FEMINISM is a joke and a infight of white colonialism that emotional negros got too caught up in to see the forest for the trees.

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afrogirl_lost
Member since May 22nd 2012
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Thu Sep-03-15 09:41 PM

385. "blah, blah"
In response to Reply # 368

I wish all of you hotepers would burst into flames man. You all represent the worst examples of black manhood. Glad I know some real brothers. You should be ashamed.

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astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
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Fri Sep-04-15 01:12 AM

392. "You. Are. Not. Smart."
In response to Reply # 368

you are an illness to our collective imagination and liberation. you are also unable to comprehend in the slightest how you articulate and represent every aspect of settler colonial ideology, while claiming otherwise.

please go away

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jane eyre
Member since Jan 16th 2007
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Thu Sep-03-15 05:27 PM

373. "You Are SO Right About That."
In response to Reply # 289
Thu Sep-03-15 05:32 PM by jane eyre

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2528267/fantasia-praising-o.gif

Acknowledging the ways Black men (and some women) support cis hetero patriarchy truly isn't bickering, being divisive, or a distraction.

What a shame if the struggle for liberation under White supremacy comes to an end but people in our community STILL have to face ignorance and oppression from those who claim to understand both.

Straight Black men of the Umar ilk need not forget: as enslaved people, ALL of us-- straight, gay, male, female, young, old, lame, strong, whatever and whoever-- no matter if you're the stock of the famous Harriet, Sojourner, Frederick, or from a line of all of the precious nameless souls...

WE pushed the plow
Bent our backs
Suffered indignity
Survived & made a way.

And here, today, WE stand. For once and for all let us recognize that WE are our best support and allies. Working together.

But that's too much like right.

Working together might mean dropping sexism and whatever other "ism" for the greater good-- a greater good that *some* seem so intent to claim is thwarted by the beautiful DIVERSITY within in our community.

Stop envying the position and privilege of White males.

Because what comes with it? Nothing but poison.

>Dismantling that fuck shit is actually factually
>imperative to our safety & self-determination as Black people.

ALL Black people. Everybody. All of us. ALL.

Edited to add: even Black folk I disagree with. I can put aside my issues with someone like Umar, for instance, to work for a greater good, if we're on the same page about what it is. I'm so not convinced that he's able to do the same.

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Government Name
Member since Dec 16th 2005
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:27 PM

296. "also, why are we supposed to ignore his LGBT views and ride w/ the rest"
In response to Reply # 0

of what he's saying?

arent his intellectual disability views based on his experiences and his research just as he claimed his LGBT stances are? so if think he's off base on one, but i agree with another, im supposed to still just trust that he's on point with the one i agree with? lol

this is what i was getting at above with it's only "knowledge" if you agree with it.

i personally agree with much of what he was saying around ADHD, etc. However, im not gonna laud him for educating the masses when i cant trust how he got to his conclusions, based on other bullsh*t he spits later on. and again, i know this was a radio interview and not a published journal article with hard data, etc. but that's all the more reason to not get hype off of sh*t spewed on a morning hiphop talk show.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:34 PM

299. "Do you need a hero to worship?"
In response to Reply # 296
Wed Sep-02-15 11:47 PM by Boogie Stimuli

Why is this about lauding him, for you?

But I'll be transparent here... it bothers me that people are overlooking the conversation
about our children because it's important and not being had. I haven't seen a 300+ reply
post on here about that. Here it is mentioned, and people are *passionately* talking
about everything except that. Why? Priorities perhaps?
Sure, this has been addressed by authors, in articles, even in interviews before, but
we discuss the Breakfast Club on here all the time. Here it is on the Breakfast Club,
and still being ignored. Sure he said other things. I ain't even mad at people talking
about the other stuff. But there ain't NO mention of the first 17 minutes of the interview
from them. What matters most is their will to hate another human being... even with
the chance to dialog about the health of our children. Sure I discuss it in my personal
life, so I don't need it here, but damn it's kinda disheartening to have this many Black
folks here who can avoid that conversation when it's right here to be had.

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Government Name
Member since Dec 16th 2005
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:43 PM

303. "yes, people do look for heroes to worship and follow. sometimes blindly"
In response to Reply # 299

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:49 PM

304. "I edited 299... figured I'd keep it 100."
In response to Reply # 303

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Government Name
Member since Dec 16th 2005
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Thu Sep-03-15 12:02 AM

306. "i feel you and im not mad at that at all. thats a good point. my guess i..."
In response to Reply # 304
Thu Sep-03-15 12:04 AM by Government Name

on here, that part of the interview is not gonna be discussed cause on a place like OKP, most of us agree with it. or at least parts of it. hell, i have ADHD and my sister and mother teach/taught young black kids in the Philly public school district. i think that discussion (including the biases among teachers) is a very important topic.

i just wanna make sure the messengers/platforms are legit so the message isnt delegitimized if/when the messengers/platforms are. that's why i'm kinda bothered when personally, i think he's making leaps (for lack of a better term) on the LGBT issue but presenting it almost exactly like he is the ADHD/intellectual disability issue.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
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Thu Sep-03-15 01:16 AM

311. "*respect*"
In response to Reply # 306

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PIMPINCHICAGO
Member since Mar 11th 2003
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Thu Sep-03-15 03:54 AM

314. "nobody is perfect "
In response to Reply # 306

No matter who brings the message, it will be a human and every single one has a flaw and you can basically find a reason to kill every single message we have had in history.

Don't make those messages any less important or valid.

Why you think COINTELPRO was concocted in the first damn place.

They knew if you can put a bad light or discredit the messenger then dumb ass followers that don't have the balls to step out and become messengers or problem solvers will sit back and judge and stay apathetic.

That shit actually worked the first time so best believe they would not hesitate to keep that in their playbook.

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Government Name
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Thu Sep-03-15 08:35 AM

319. "it's not even about being perfect. i'm talking about holding positions"
In response to Reply # 314
Thu Sep-03-15 08:36 AM by Government Name

and making arguments that can't stand up to a moderate level of scrutiny because they arent rooted in hard facts or have agendas or lean too much on anecdotes and personal experiences, etc.

i agree that sh*t like infidelity or tax issues, etc absolutely are copouts to discredit people's messages.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:34 AM

324. "This is exactly how Bernie Sanders supporters sounded..."
In response to Reply # 299

when he was confronted by BLM activists. It's easy to tell people what they should overlook when you have the privilege of not being a woman or gay. His supporters tried to tell us we should wait on racial justice, in lieu of prioritizing economic populism. You're trying to tell us we should wait on gender equality and lgbt rights, in lieu of prioritizing your key issue. You should be able to acknowledge your privilege and how it may skew your ability to overlook things.

Intersecionality won't let us ignore how wrong he is on certain issues. I can't separate being black from being gay. A black woman can separate racial equality from gender equality. Each of those issues effect us equally. Frankly, it's condescending as fuck to tell us what part of ourselves we should prioritize. People are dying, as Dr Johnson acknowledged, as a result of homophobia. So, there are lives on the line for us regarding that issue. Women, who are often the heads of household in the black community, are being paid pennies on the dollar for equal work. That's black families on the line.

Even on the issues we can all agree to support, he let dangerous misinformation ride, like letting Envy ride with saying a special education stays with you for life. What if your child actually needs special ed and you're gullible enough to believe that. So, you end up denying your child the services and support they need to be successful. That's an irresponsible sentiment to let ride without any correction.

Bottom line, a good number of people dissenting from his views have conceded where they agree with him, but the areas where we depart from his views are pretty glaring. So much so, that it makes it impossible to just overlook.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 05:29 PM

374. "I'm gonna ask you to never approach me with..."
In response to Reply # 324

"you should" if you're trying to have a serious discussion.
Now that that's out of the way, I haven't asked anyone to overlook anything.
Notice I didn't come for DaHeathenOne for giving her views on him. She ain't wrong.
Like I said above tho, there's more said in the video AND everyone talking about
how they'd rather direct folks to more reliable sources or whatever, hasn't named
not one "more reliable source", so all the pretending to actually care about that issue
isn't really necessary. Just cop to the fact that you're mostly motivated to comment on
issues affecting Black people when you have something negative to say... specifically
about Black men.

As far as the comparison to the white guy, I was wondering how long that would take.
The difference is that Umar is a Black man who has a actively exhibited a desire
to be of service in liberated Black people from these unfair conditions under
which we currently exist in America. He ain't perfect, and you won't find me
saying anyone should follow everything he says, but I have watched him soften
his views over the years. Just like won't throw my sisters away for saying wild
shit out their mouths and will love them no matter what, the same goes for my
brothers. Some will call that "misogyny" when it's my brother, but say nothing
of it when it's my sister. All of yall are my family to me, and that is a part of
the movement as far as I'm concerned. I ain't mad at nobody calling him out.
That's fine. He needs to be called out when he's wrong. But how pertinent is
the idea of our children being thrown in the proverbial trash can when you can't
even acknowledge the fact that it was even brought up? Oh, oh, you know better
sources to direct folks to, but you can't name them... in a post where someone
asked for your help, no less. Man foh.

>when he was confronted by BLM activists. It's easy to tell
>people what they should overlook when you have the privilege
>of not being a woman or gay. His supporters tried to tell us
>we should wait on racial justice, in lieu of prioritizing
>economic populism. You're trying to tell us we should wait on
>gender equality and lgbt rights, in lieu of prioritizing your
>key issue. You should be able to acknowledge your privilege
>and how it may skew your ability to overlook things.
>
>Intersecionality won't let us ignore how wrong he is on
>certain issues. I can't separate being black from being gay. A
>black woman can separate racial equality from gender equality.
>Each of those issues effect us equally. Frankly, it's
>condescending as fuck to tell us what part of ourselves we
>should prioritize. People are dying, as Dr Johnson
>acknowledged, as a result of homophobia. So, there are lives
>on the line for us regarding that issue. Women, who are often
>the heads of household in the black community, are being paid
>pennies on the dollar for equal work. That's black families on
>the line.
>
>Even on the issues we can all agree to support, he let
>dangerous misinformation ride, like letting Envy ride with
>saying a special education stays with you for life. What if
>your child actually needs special ed and you're gullible
>enough to believe that. So, you end up denying your child the
>services and support they need to be successful. That's an
>irresponsible sentiment to let ride without any correction.
>
>Bottom line, a good number of people dissenting from his views
>have conceded where they agree with him, but the areas where
>we depart from his views are pretty glaring. So much so, that
>it makes it impossible to just overlook.
>

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Aeon
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Wed Sep-02-15 11:40 PM

302. "^"
In response to Reply # 296

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
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Thu Sep-03-15 01:02 AM

310. "Prove that it is bullshit tho and get out of your emotions."
In response to Reply # 296

As somebody who has worked with abused teens the rate of physical, sexual, and mental abuse in their own communities is astronomical.

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Government Name
Member since Dec 16th 2005
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Thu Sep-03-15 08:31 AM

318. "lol"
In response to Reply # 310

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:21 AM

322. "yes facts hold no wait to emotional folk"
In response to Reply # 318

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bentagain
Member since Mar 19th 2008
16595 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 10:38 AM

326. "your experience =/= science, just trying to help, honestly"
In response to Reply # 322

and it's great that you and 'Dr Umar' work with people that are genuinely struggling

but again

5 seconds on google

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/214383.pdf

"blacks are sexually victimized in childhood at about the same rates as whites"

Characteristics of Victims
Females constituted the vast majority (89 percent) of
sexual assault victims (table 2). Juveniles ages 12–17
made up 81 percent of the victims; older teenagers (ages
15–17) were disproportionately represented (54 percent
of all victims compared with 17 percent of the general
child population). Victimization of whites and blacks
was proportionate to their percentages in the general
child population. Hispanics constituted 9 percent of victims,
compared with 16 percent of the child population.

so who is the they you are referring to?

and following his logic

we should be seeing alot more gay woman than gay men

I'll let you google that.

your experience

especially considering you and 'Dr Umar' are already dealing with people dealing with issues

is not a demographic to make conclusions about the portion of the population that are not dealing with those confounding factors.

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:56 AM

333. "I'm talking about Black people"
In response to Reply # 326

I could care less about white folk tho sexual abuse is at epidemic levels across the board and no just because you are abused doesn't mean you turn gay see jail that is a stupid assumption and dangerous.

But you get this young lesbian girls into therapy and 9 times out of a dime they say they have been abused.

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Government Name
Member since Dec 16th 2005
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Thu Sep-03-15 11:00 AM

334. "random sampling of lesbians or you know, lesbians who are in need of "
In response to Reply # 333
Thu Sep-03-15 11:01 AM by Government Name

therapy? cause the abuse and the need for therapy would seem to be related...lol

>But you get this young lesbian girls into therapy and 9 times
>out of a dime they say they have been abused.

see why taking a non-scientific approach to this is troublesome?

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Government Name
Member since Dec 16th 2005
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:56 AM

332. "read thru my other responses and get back to me"
In response to Reply # 322

i actually want MORE fact based arguments from him. you are accepting his conclusions as facts despite not being presented any data of substance and are going off your own and his anecdotal experiences.

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atruhead
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Thu Sep-03-15 01:57 PM

353. "you cant differentiate between wait and weight"
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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:44 AM

327. "The same could be said for the black community-at-large"
In response to Reply # 310

An insane black women are the victims of sexual abuse from a very young age and are made to live in silence. How many people advocate beating the hell out of their kids as a cultural norm? How many people grow up hearing how dumb they are and how they ain't gon be shit from within their own families?

Now, would you like that negative characteristics to define the black community? I'm assuming not, but why are you so easily willing to define the gay community in those terms?

It's amazing how comfortable some of you supposedly pro Black people are with adopting views that put you in direct alignment with white supremacists.

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Warren Coolidge
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Thu Sep-03-15 12:50 AM

308. "thanks for posting this...."
In response to Reply # 0

Dr. Umar definitely gives you food for thought on a lot of things..

But he's off base on a couple of things. There is a problem with special ed diagnosis with Black and Brown young men... I see special education services help and give opportunity to young students that they would not have gotten without it. The idea that being in special ed goes on your permanent record and stop you from getting a job is just not true. If you have an IEP and you get a high school diploma...your transcript is the same as a student not in special education. There are student who are on the track to get a certificate of completion and not a diploma, but those are mostly your intellectually challenged. The vast majority of students in special ed are on the diploma track..and their transcripts and diploma's don't say Special Education on them anywhere.

and there are many young people who have been correctly diagnosed with ADD or ADHD who go on reasonable doses of medicine, and end up being brilliant students....going to college and graduating. it's not as black and white as some may think. Sure there are situations where meds wasn't the right route...but I've seen them allow kids to fulfill their academic goals because it made school workable and manageable for them.

and as far as the born this way vs. environment thing with homosexuality... I mean it's been my experience working with young people as a high school counselor for the last 10 years that certainly showed me that you cannot say that environment is the exclusive "cause" for homosexuality....and seeing how some young people struggle with their sexuality and the challenges they go through in that regard....it makes it close to impossible for me to take a side "against" them.... I think by completely dismissing the ides of people being "born that way" Dr. Umar probably thinks that would compromise his focus on building up the Black male...and really affirming Black masculinity and it's role in a "healthy" Black household.... It's a difficult balance when you are more leaning to a Black Nationalistic type of ideology to do anything more than just say "I don't hate Gay people, but I don't support the lifestyle"... Very difficult balance to strike there...

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murph71
Member since Sep 15th 2005
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Thu Sep-03-15 06:56 AM

315. "I have to say...."
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Sep-03-15 06:57 AM by murph71

I largely stayed out of this because of all the different issues that Dr Umar has managed to weave together....

I also agree with his views on how young black kids are often times misplaced and disregarded in the educational system....While he's not saying anything new it's a statement that needs to be noted time and time again...

But I feel like Umar hurts his overall message. It's sort of like a moderate Republican politician who says he/she believes that the immigration issue has become an economic drag on the overall economy and that they want to make sure that we handle said issue in a sane, compassionate way....And then for some idiotic reason they feel the need to add: BY THE WAY, THE LATINOS ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS THIS COUNTRY IS IN THE TOILET. THEIR CRIMINAL INCLINATIONS AND THE FACT THAT THEY ARE RAPISTS HURT THE OVERALL REPUTATION OF THE IMMIGRANT EXPERIENCE...

U cannot tell a faction of people (black LGBT's) to get over their feelings for the greater good of the (black) community that they believe that they belong to and who feels like they should at the very least be respected by before the very same systematic, racist power structure that views all black folks, gay or straight, as throwaways....

Whenever I hear someone connect abuse and pedophillia with being gay I'm reminded of ultra white conservatives who are unable to give up the ghost....It's okay to disagree with the "lifestyle"...Just don't try to demonize a community in order to back up a well-meaning message...

Well meaning (and not so well meaning) people in this thread who sidestep the issue by screaming BUT THE KIDS may just end up contributing to the pain and struggle of a gay 12 year old kid who is just trying to stay alive because they feel like they will condemned, mocked, beat up, or even killed for their truth....

Let's keep it clean, folks...

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Thu Sep-03-15 08:09 AM

317. "HAIL HYDRA"
In response to Reply # 315

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:36 AM

325. "Who controls the cultural influence of this society overtly and covertly"
In response to Reply # 315

When have black gay people ever been excluded from Black issues, events or movements?

Your emotions are a problem when you can't see them for being just that your emotions your response, your feeling of slight etc.

the LBGQT movement could care less about Black liberation but negros caught up in their little agenda can't see that.

Zora Neal

Langston Hughes

Cab Calloway

Bayard Rustin

James Baldwin

and a plethora of of others have been widely recognized and respected by our people regardless of their sexual orientation.

The question I ask is why is it imperative that I agree with it if I really feel something is right or meant to be I could care less what anyone else thinks.

Also back the original statement since we don't control popular media you don't control the culture or images your children take in and thus generational split, confusion and influence is created even more.

Example a ever notice how the person who wants to sell things targets children and not the parents why because the parents are like no and the children are like yes please, begging and if the parent wilts the person gets a sale.

Who is selling you this culture?

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:53 AM

329. "But that's precisely what you're asking us to do."
In response to Reply # 325
Thu Sep-03-15 10:53 AM by Starbaby Jones

>When have black gay people ever been excluded from Black
>issues, events or movements?

Silence might as well be exclusion. You want us to fight for your freedom and deprioritize our own?

>Your emotions are a problem when you can't see them for being
>just that your emotions your response, your feeling of slight
>etc.

Your privilege is a problem when you can't see that you're asking people to trade in one oppressive regime for another. If I'm gonna get free, damn it, I'm getting all the way free.

>the LBGQT movement could care less about Black liberation but
>negros caught up in their little agenda can't see that.

The LGBTQ movement is connected. When rights are denied on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, who do you think is most effected? Are you for full black liberation or just the black lives you deem respectable?

>Zora Neal
>
>Langston Hughes
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>Cab Calloway
>
>Bayard Rustin
>
>James Baldwin

Yes, and all those, but James were asked to be silent about their orientation. James was just too damn free to comply with that ish. That's why he's one of my heroes.

>and a plethora of of others have been widely recognized and
>respected by our people regardless of their sexual
>orientation.

The caveat, with exception of James, was being silent. We ain't on that anymore. We're about full liberation.

>The question I ask is why is it imperative that I agree with
>it if I really feel something is right or meant to be I could
>care less what anyone else thinks.
>
>Also back the original statement since we don't control
>popular media you don't control the culture or images your
>children take in and thus generational split, confusion and
>influence is created even more.
>
>Example a ever notice how the person who wants to sell things
>targets children and not the parents why because the parents
>are like no and the children are like yes please, begging and
>if the parent wilts the person gets a sale.
>
>Who is selling you this culture?

That's a good question. Have you ever stopped to ask who's selling you this homophobia? I mean, we didn't see the huge rash of antigay legislation and killings in Africa til white missionaries came over with their misinformation. So, have you ever questioned why you're so comfortable with aligning yourself with those same ideologies?

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MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
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Thu Sep-03-15 10:56 AM

331. "*standing ovation*"
In response to Reply # 329

im done combating homophobia with reason

it's too entrenched...

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
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Thu Sep-03-15 11:08 AM

335. "My only issue with this awesome reply is that Rustin was out too."
In response to Reply # 329

That's why he is one of MY heroes.

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Starbaby Jones
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Thu Sep-03-15 11:11 AM

337. "True, I'm more than happy to acknowledge that. "
In response to Reply # 335

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Musa
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Thu Sep-03-15 12:02 PM

344. "No one is asking you to be silent a lot of people don't care"
In response to Reply # 329

it doesn't benefit the overall movement in any shape form or fashion and is very selfish to focus on it kinda like religion too.

Ride with the lgbtq folk all you want when it comes down to it in the end white men care about other white men and want to transfer their finances/power without any issues.

This comes down to power and influence.

Last I checked the power structure ran by White males don't care if you are gay, or transsexual etc, but yall get in your emotions, try to dominate the discussion and say someone should be accepting of a specific behavior for you to feel good GTFOOHWTBS.

Niggas do all kinds of things a given person doesn't agree with but guess what when it comes to a specific goal, job, movement it doesn't matter.

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Starbaby Jones
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Thu Sep-03-15 12:25 PM

346. "So you want us to trade the White man for you?"
In response to Reply # 344
Thu Sep-03-15 12:26 PM by Starbaby Jones

>it doesn't benefit the overall movement in any shape form or
>fashion and is very selfish to focus on it kinda like religion
>too.

It benefits the movement, because there's this thing called intersectionality. People don't exist along monolithic labels. The overall movement is about the liberation of black people. Well, are we talking about all black people or just the ones you approve of. Why would you expect me to get behind your movement, if there's nothing in it for us? Why should we be relegated for fighting to be halfway free?

>Ride with the lgbtq folk all you want when it comes down to it
>in the end white men care about other white men and want to
>transfer their finances/power without any issues.

The thing is you don't get to make me choose. The crazy part is no LGBT activist has ever asked for me to put aside my blackness, the way you're asking me to put away my sexual orientation.

>This comes down to power and influence.

>Last I checked the power structure ran by White males don't
>care if you are gay, or transsexual etc, but yall get in your
>emotions, try to dominate the discussion and say someone
>should be accepting of a specific behavior for you to feel
>good GTFOOHWTBS.

Then you need to check again, because the power structure does care about sexual orientation. We have the right to marry, but we can still be fired in large swaths of this country if we do. We still have other hills to climb and the worst effected by all of this are LGBT people of color. So, it all comes down to whether or not you're actually down for the liberation of all black people or just the ones you approve of.

>Niggas do all kinds of things a given person doesn't agree
>with but guess what when it comes to a specific goal, job,
>movement it doesn't matter.

Yes, but this is one that does matter. Jobs are on the line. Housing is on the line. Friggin LIVES are on the line. So, it should absolutely matter if you genuinely care about the liberation of all black people.

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Sarah_Bellum
Charter member
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Thu Sep-03-15 02:08 PM

356. "You're in here putting in that good work ... "
In response to Reply # 329

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 02:56 PM

359. "Lol, thanks"
In response to Reply # 356

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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murph71
Member since Sep 15th 2005
23113 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 11:35 AM

341. "RE: Who controls the cultural influence of this society overtly and cove..."
In response to Reply # 325

Kill the emotions jab homie...Im a straight black dude from the south side of Chicago. By labeling my very measured post 'emotional" its your quite shaky attempt at dismissing my point.

U r making this too complex. If my gay cousin wants to love someone without the indignity of HIS OWN PEOPLE labeling his sexual livlihood as equal to fucking a little kid then I support him just on a humanistic level. It aint that deep...

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NikaMandela
Charter member
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Thu Sep-03-15 01:49 PM

352. "agreed. HE'S the one that needs to get out of his feelings"
In response to Reply # 315

and understand what an ASSET the lgbt community is and can be to black people and black empowerment.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 05:35 PM

375. "Not if they care about gay kids too"
In response to Reply # 315

It's called agreeing with SOME of what he said.
What he said applies to all Black children as someone else stated in here.
Ain't nothing wrong with starting there and talking about it.
Folks rather be disappointed that he's not the hero they're looking for tho.

>Well meaning (and not so well meaning) people in this thread
>who sidestep the issue by screaming BUT THE KIDS may just end
>up contributing to the pain and struggle of a gay 12 year old
>kid who is just trying to stay alive because they feel like
>they will condemned, mocked, beat up, or even killed for their
>truth....
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>Let's keep it clean, folks...

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afrogirl_lost
Member since May 22nd 2012
3062 posts

Sat Sep-05-15 05:41 AM

412. "Boogie you're tripping brother"
In response to Reply # 375

If you're looking for a source to help your friends son, why not seek out a professional in your city? There are many Black therapists, psychologists, educators etc. who specialize in this work. It should not be difficult to find them. Have you reached out to the Dept of Ed at your local university?

Umar is a misogynist and heterosexist. Period. He needs to check his privilege and unpack his complicity in oppressing other Black folks. He should not be speaking as a representative of our community. He is taking advantage of the most uneducated/ignorant/vulnerable Black folks, and it's disgusting. I'm not looking for a "hero," but I think an acknowledgement of intersectionality and multiple oppressions should be a basic requirement for anyone speaking on our behalf.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Sat Sep-05-15 11:05 PM

415. "Please don't mistake my partial agreement for defense."
In response to Reply # 412
Sat Sep-05-15 11:20 PM by Boogie Stimuli

I'm pretty surprised that this is the reply where you say I'm trippin lol. All I'm saying
here is to apply the concern for the misdiagnoses of Black boys to all Black children.
I mean, they're all vulnerable, not just the boys. What about that implies that I'm trippin?

As for my friend's son, I haven't looked into any outside help, but there are some practical
reasons for that thus far. I've simply put worked on reforming his home environment.
Thanks a lot for the suggestion tho.

As for Umar, I stated elsewhere in here that I don't disagree with any of what you said
about him. He has issues.

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atruhead
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Thu Sep-03-15 01:59 PM

354. "Musa, Case One and Crisco cosign this dude"
In response to Reply # 0

what more is there to say?

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Ashy Achilles
Member since Sep 22nd 2005
4548 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 03:11 PM

360. "lol"
In response to Reply # 354

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 05:00 PM

369. "THE VOTES say more people agree but don't have time to waste"
In response to Reply # 354

on you hoes. I do this for fun.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 05:04 PM

371. "A majority of white folks didn't want slaves freed."
In response to Reply # 369

Majorities can be wrong.

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 06:52 PM

379. "White folks are a minority on the planet and a true "
In response to Reply # 371
Thu Sep-03-15 06:53 PM by Musa

aberration.

You sure you want to compare this to them?

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 06:57 PM

380. "What does that have to do with price of tea in China?"
In response to Reply # 379
Thu Sep-03-15 06:58 PM by Starbaby Jones

You propped up a majority support in a controlled group, inferring that it validated your point. Well, if we apply that logic to the country, both our asses would still be in chains.

It doesn't matter that white folks are a planetary minority. The policies we live under are applied on a national level and, for the time being, they have the national majority. So, do you think having a majority consensus automatically validates your point? I would assume not, based on your reply. So, just admit you made a baseless ass point, and keep it moving.

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atruhead
Charter member
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Thu Sep-03-15 07:06 PM

381. "you're a lunatic. Case One is a staunch homophobe"
In response to Reply # 369

Crisco ended his reply "where the white women at"

you all agree with Umar Johnson

that's it

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Case_One
Charter member
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Mon Sep-07-15 09:33 AM

420. "Not even close. But you love keeping my name in your mouth."
In response to Reply # 381

Stop spreading lies.

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
8643 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 07:17 PM

382. "ACTUALLY... "
In response to Reply # 369

...the votes show there are slightly more people who don't agree with this dude.

I voted pink btw.

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DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 05:51 PM

376. " LOLsmh"
In response to Reply # 0

The usual suspects are on that bs.
Derailing the conversation by throwing the "emotional" barb
there like it's a bad thing to be passionate about a topic
Anti woman shit LOL
There is no hierarchy to the liberation and salvation of Black
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denny
Member since Apr 11th 2008
11281 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 08:46 PM

383. "Has anyone even bothered to challenge his main presumption?"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Sep-03-15 09:07 PM by denny

That latino and black kids are diagnosed with ADHD at a higher rate than white children? Cause the statistics don't bear that out.

Anyone have anything to contradict all this?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=black+kids+adhd+statistics&biw=1920&bih=985&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CFYQsARqFQoTCJS1p_me3McCFcU3PgodPogCNg#tbm=isch&q=ethnicity+adhd+statistics

I don't know about anyone else....but my research into the area shows the complete OPPOSITE of what he's saying. That ethnic minority kids in the states are UNDER-diagnosed for ADHD and not getting the help they need. There are also several studies about the PERCEPTION of ADHD in the afro-american community which, funny enough, corresponds to his views pretty accurately. Studies show that afro-american communities place a larger taboo status on those diagnosed with adhd. Also, that they are suspicious of it based on a historical context and lack knowledge about it compared to other ethnic groups. That kinda sums him up in a nutshell don't it?

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 09:08 PM

384. "Well, he conflates ADHD with Special Education "
In response to Reply # 383

That's what makes it all seem hodgepodge and thrown together. So, there's that. It just sounds like he read nothing, but abstracts instead of full studies.

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denny
Member since Apr 11th 2008
11281 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 09:43 PM

386. "It's hard as hell to accept having your kid get diagnosed."
In response to Reply # 384

I was pretty effed up when my daughter's tourette's emerged. You're in a very vulnerable state as a parent when that happens. And someone comes along with an alternative suggestion that the diagnosis is illegitimate on the basis that it's a product of racial discrimination.....I can see how it may be very tempting for someone to run with that. And then not follow the advice of doctor's and educators. And then the kid doesn't get the help they may need.

Sounds dangerous to me.

Parents should ask themselves.....'What's more likely? That my child's white female teacher has an agenda to keep black children in a special ed classes? Or that I happen to have a child who needs help?'

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Thu Sep-03-15 10:39 PM

388. "It gets a bit dodgy, though. "
In response to Reply # 386

There is a very real history of teachers/districts using Special Education as a dumping ground. So, I get the apprehension, but that's why you get a second opinion and do your due diligence as a parent.

That said, I agree that it's dangerous or, at the very least, neglectful to introduce that idea without any nuance or caveats. The same way I thought it was neglectful for him to not make distinctions between the function of a psychologist and a psychiatrist. It was insane that he let the idea that receiving Special Education stays with a kid like a scarlet letter ride. That is an outright lie and that's what I mean when I say any nuggets of truth he drops are invalidated by him conflating it with bullshit.

As for this...
>Parents should ask themselves.....'What's more likely? That
>my child's white female teacher has an agenda to keep black
>children in a special ed classes? Or that I happen to have a
>child who needs help?'

It's not about an individual teacher having it out for a kid. It's about the system itself. He was right there is money attached to Special Ed and I've personally witnessed schools try to push kids in that direction, when it wasn't necessary. Sometimes the cultural differences between a teacher and the students can cause a disconnect that the teacher interprets as being an issue with the kid, when the issue is he/she just doesn't speak the same language. But that can be mitigated by parents doing their due diligence to make sure the diagnosis is accurate.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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Garhart Poppwell
Member since Nov 28th 2008
18115 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 08:01 AM

395. "you probably should look into his lectures"
In response to Reply # 388

Coming to these conclusions based off a fifteen minute window of time on a radio show isn't prudent. You can get where he stands on all of this, thoroughly explained, by taking in a few of them. Agree or disagree, and a lot of things he says and believes I have no use for. But this is not the proper platform to come to a based conclusion about any of this.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 10:17 AM

396. "This is an hour-long interview. "
In response to Reply # 395

He had the opportunity introduce nuance. I'm not saying he needed to go into painstaking detail, but he could've easily corrected Envy without getting too verbose on the subject. He could've easily said that psychologists aren't prescribing medicine for ADHD, given that he, himself, is a psychologist.

He left the impression that black folks should be distrustful of mental health, when our community could benefit from mental health services greatly. Based on his cavalier conflation of the information in this interview, I can absolutely determine that he's neglectful in his approach.

Like I said above, it's like he read abstracts instead of full studies. If you're not tuned in to these subjects, he sounds knowledgable, but if you know these subjects, the holes in his logic or presentation of information are glaring.

What's dangerous is there is just enough correct information presented confidently to be captivating. So, people can easily end up getting drawn in and make bad decisions based on faulty information. That, to me, is highly unethical as a mental health professional.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
1642 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 05:49 PM

398. "It was an hour long with like 15 topics. Stop lying"
In response to Reply # 396

You want more info than a dude already talking a mile-a-minute on everything the hosts brought up?

that 1 hour coasted by and you're using that against his points now? Not to mention you already were GOING to disagree with him.

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denny
Member since Apr 11th 2008
11281 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 11:19 PM

409. "Check this out as a counter:"
In response to Reply # 398
Fri Sep-04-15 11:32 PM by denny

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/adhd-in-kids_n_3490710.html

Someone here is wrong. This article and his viewpoint are opposite. The statistics seem to lend themselves to the article's contention. Not his.

I watched this other clip with him here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=499r0jl0HdU

At the 4 minute mark he contends that Af-Am parents are 'undereducated and miseducated' about adhd so that they are more likely to 'go along' with the diagnosis given by educators. Which presumes that 'education' about the topic would result in MORE parents refusing to accept adhd diagnosis. But again.....White children are diagnosed more often than black. How can that be? If (as he says) 'European-American teachers have less confidence in black and latino students'.....then they should be getting MORE diagnosis. Not less.

It comes down to this. He claims black/latino kids are getting overdiagnosed with adhd. The article claims they are getting underdiagnosed with adhd. The STATS show that white kids are getting diagnosed at a higher rate than black/latino students. That fact alone makes a lot of his content questionable from the gate. Ie The title of his book includes the line 'The ADHD war against black boys' in the face of a 2013 study that showed they're less than half as likely to be diagnosed compared to white boys. Further....he seems to be exemplifying exactly what the article claims is happening to the detriment of African American communities. That is, the belief that ADHD is 'bullshit' (as stated in the breakfast club interview).....and refusing to accept educator's diagnosis (which is also alluded to several times in the interview).

I'm no expert on this....but it's clear to me that some would argue that his views are part of the problem.

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Starbaby Jones
Member since Mar 08th 2003
5034 posts

Sat Sep-05-15 12:16 AM

410. "I didn't have any bias, b/c I'd never heard of him before this video."
In response to Reply # 398

Again, there was absolutely enough time for him to make corrections. Maybe I just have high standards, but I expect someone presenting themselves as an authority to actually communicate like one.

There was space for me to agree with him and I've conceded the places where I dd agree. I can see how his spiel would sound good to you, if you weren't well-versed on some of the areas he covered.

I'm, however, an ex-teacher, who works in instructional design. So, education/learning theory is kinda my thing. Cognitive studies are also huge part of that. I'm not saying I'm an authority, but I know and apply this subject matter on a daily. His reasoning shows some pretty glaring holes in basic ass areas that makes it appear that he either doesn't know his ish or he's not good at articulating. That, combined with the misogyny and homophobia I heard, doesn't give me much reason to check for him beyond that.

http://soundcloud.com/forestbrooks

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dba_BAD
Charter member
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Fri Sep-04-15 07:24 PM

399. "i think children in general are overdiagnosed"
In response to Reply # 383

i think black and brown children in general, are underserved, including in receiving diagnosis and support when appropriate

i think education systems are contextually white, and therefore don't serve black and brown children with the same acuity they serve white children, although i think that the assumption that our systems serve any children well is questionable, but certainly black and brown children less well regardless

imma need you to stop saying afro american too

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2.tears.in.a.bucket
Member since Sep 04th 2009
6185 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 07:51 AM

394. "this fool gone blow up off this perfect mindfuck of misinfo. "
In response to Reply # 0

smh

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3CardMolly
Member since Jun 08th 2007
13784 posts

Fri Sep-04-15 10:22 PM

400. "I'm wondering who's paying him to be what he is?"
In response to Reply # 0

Strangely enough he helps me to understand preachers more and more not to mention the goodpoints, reality spiels with curve balls of bullshit he throws. I'll never be able to drink that niggas punch.

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thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
41497 posts

Sat Sep-05-15 07:17 AM

413. "he offers 30 min psycho-academic consultations by phone for 50$"
In response to Reply # 400

http://www.drumarjohnson.com/#!consultations

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Moonlit_Force
Member since Oct 10th 2005
8643 posts

Sat Sep-05-15 11:16 PM

416. "This reply made me laugh even harder than the first time."
In response to Reply # 413

Ol' "call-Mr. Cleo now!" lookin' ass. lol

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Sarah_Bellum
Charter member
7489 posts

Sun Sep-06-15 10:15 PM

419. "This has got to be a joke page"
In response to Reply # 413

... Lemme tell you something, any man that says they want to have a consultation with a child while fashioning themselves after a super hero is suspect to say the least.
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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Mon Sep-07-15 09:53 PM

428. "You wonder who's paying him to be a principal?"
In response to Reply # 400

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isaaaa
Member since May 10th 2007
30565 posts

Sat Sep-05-15 03:30 PM

414. "I agreed with him on education, but honestly WTF is the "
In response to Reply # 0

homosexuality issue a big deal for him?

I'm not saying he (or any sane/woke black person) should support the mainstream LGQBT movement, but gay people do exist and have always existed. Is it natural, is it healthy, is it righteous, is it anything, WTF cares! It's a major non-issue for Pan-Africanist's such as himself and other. These gay people ain't gonna disappear.

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Sat Sep-05-15 11:53 PM

417. "RE: I agreed with him on education, but honestly WTF is the "
In response to Reply # 414

>homosexuality issue a big deal for him?

He claims his concern is that it's "not in the best interest of African people, because
it "can destroy the B(b)lack family", but as you stated, homosexuality has always
existed, so I dunno where he gets this from. Well, yes I do... he bases it on Henry
Kissinger's genocide initiative documents... specifically, an initiative to promote
homosexuality in Black communities. Still, I don't think any initiative on that front has
been successful, and if anything is destroying the Black family, it's not homosexuality.

>It's a major non-issue for Pan-Africanist's such as himself and other. These gay
>people ain't gonna disappear.

Right. I don't understand why it's such a major area of focus for so many. It's just so
extra and unnecessary.

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Tiggerific
Member since May 24th 2007
13451 posts

Sun Sep-06-15 12:31 AM

418. "RE: "Dr Umar Johnson" and The Breakfast Club...Get in here"
In response to Reply # 0

As a parent and a person who actually has ADD, I couldn't get past that part of the conversation. I wasn't diagnosed as a child and while he is right that some teachers do dump black and brown boys in special ed and they get labeled, some of those boys do legit have ADD/ADHD!

With that said, that's why mental health testing is important. Getting diagnosed could actually help, if parents advocate for their children. Yes, you may or may not have to put your kid on medication. But there are ways to combat ADD/ADHD without medication. And, there are kids who are on medication who don't automatically get labeled "special". Some exceed expectations and grow to become amazing students and amazing people overall.

So, he and the Breakfast club can miss me with that ADD/ADHD is bullshit! I struggle with that shit EVERY FUCKING DAY! So kiss MY BIG BLACK ASS!!!!

And, the homophobia in this thread was on another level. I was amazed and quite disgusted by some of the comments. As someone who has been on this site for well over 10 years, I think it may be finally time for me to log off. As a 99% heterosexual female (because we all have that 1% that's a little gay), I was appalled. And, yes, I have grown up in the church and I have a strong belief in God, Jesus and the HS, but I guess I'm just too liberal and believe that GOD's ultimate message is love and it doesn't really matter who someone loves. I have compassion and respect for my gay brothers and sisters and I choose to support and love them versus tearing them down.

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GameTheory
Member since Jun 06th 2012
1642 posts

Mon Sep-07-15 02:26 PM

425. "Umar questions what causes/encourages homosexuality, though"
In response to Reply # 418

Can we separate what causes/encourages homosexuality from how homosexuals should be treated?

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Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15789 posts

Mon Sep-07-15 10:27 AM

422. "I asked before will ask again What is the natural state of Black people ..."
In response to Reply # 0

?

As a matter of fact if you were in a natural state would you be identifying yourself as Black?

What segment of Black life is not invaded, intimidated, polarizing, affected or effected by the former dominant colonial society?

Cosmology

Identity (Culture)

Healthy

Economics

Family structure

Education

Arts and recreation

Law (civics etc)

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Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
14014 posts

Mon Sep-07-15 06:44 PM

427. "I will say this, concerning his views on homosexuality..."
In response to Reply # 0

I don't like how he's so concerned for the heterosexual children who may be
"molested into" homosexuality, so to speak, but there's no concern for the many
homosexual children who struggle with their sexuality due to expressed and societal
homophobia.

I also think that his views, literally, qualify as "homophobic", because he *fears* that
homosexuality can and will destroy the Black family. Even after hearing him speak
many times, I still think the demonizing of Black men and women is the main thing
with potential to destroy the Black family. The idea that white beauty standards are
superior to Black ones (otherwise known an aesthetic white supremacy) is 10000x more
dangerous than homosexuality as it pertains to the crumbling of the Black family.
Homosexuality has been around since the dawn of time, and white supremacy has done
more damage to the Black family in its short time of existence than anything has ever done, but I digress.

I didn't wanna talk about Umar, the man, but while I'm at it, I agree with some of
what he says and disagree with some, but I like that his aim is to love Black people...
even if he's misguided in some of the ways he does it.

I'm seeing a strange new phenomenon where Black folks will dog the living shit
out of someone who's trying to make change, but rock side by side with someone
who says "fuck all that conscious shit, let's just party all the time and push poison".
I appreciate honesty and realness as much as the next man, but you don't get
any kind of love for being honest about the fact that you want to destroy us.
I'm only glad you're honest so I can focus first on those who give a shit....
so when there's someone who is trying, I think it's a better approach to point out
to them how they are wrong. We don't have to do it in a hostile manner or put
them down or call them names. When you treat folks like that, you lose potential
allies, because they don't even wanna deal with your shit after they change their minds.
I had to even cool it on calling folks "coons" and shit. If you don't show love to your
own, who the hell are you gonna show it to? All of your own ain't gonna be 100% right
when you first meet them. Living in this white supremacist society has affected us
all to varying degrees and in different ways.

Anyway, enough preaching. My view on his views on his views is that I agree with
some of them and not with others. My view on him is that he is concerned, but he's
also egotistical. I've seen his views soften and change, but he's not gonna do it
in the middle of a confrontation that attacks him. I know some are thinking "no one
should have to tip toe around his ego", and you're right. I also shouldn't have to
tip toe around my girlfriend's feelings to get things done at home. I do it, because
I care about the greater good. Do you?

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