https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SCB1t28nDU

and/or have an education or extra job training

and stop having unprotected sex with thugs

dude

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>


to me that makes it worse, if she were 15, you could say yeah she was just a kid, but she knew she was just making 7.50 and hour and barely getting by.

Its not that I don't have sympathy for her or think that the minimum wage shouldn't be increased but her main problem is bad life decisions

and not put pile on we all do that but you gotta own up to it and move on because people feeling sorry for you don't pay the rent.

We've got to teach our kids to plan for the future

dude

should not have babies.

babies are the preserve of the better off.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

if you're making minimum wage, you should not have kids. simple as that. you cannot afford one. Once you have a better job, or at least meet someone with one, you shouldn't have kids you cannot afford to raise.

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being poor does not make one a bad parent
as evidenced by kids who come from poor families who end up contributing significantly to society.
poor people should not be punished for being poor
society should instead be ensuring that we are lifting people out of poverty
by providing a safety net- not punishing little children for their parents fortunes
having a child should not be in the reach of only the middle to upper class
otherwise, id say that is a form of eugenics

however, regardless of child in this scenario
you think it is okay for an adult to earn less than 1200 a month working 40 hours a week?
this is not enough to support oneself
the real argument here is whether minimum wage should actually be a living wage
i have yet to hear arguments as to why it should not be

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

I understand that shit happens and all...

But if you're struggling to make ends meet by yourself...why would you put a child in that situation???

It's one thing if you have circumstances beyond your control after the child has lived a certain way...it's another thing to bring somebody on this earth and you're not ever able to take care of yourself on this earth...

with cost of living?
and this is primarily the issue?

the issue is not about having a child
even if she didnt have a child and worked 40hrs a week, 1200usd is not enough money to live and sustain on

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

they have to do with the skills required to perform a job and the worth of those skills in the free market (in general) & to that employer (specifically).


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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

so now we have math, reading comprehension, AND economics as your weak points.

The job is flipping burgers/taking orders. The skill level required to do this job is negligible. A 30 minute video and a little training and you're on your own before your first break. These are expendable positions and therefore are low paying because workers can be replaced easily.

The job is CNC Machine operator. The skill level is a bit more, might need some formal training however I've seen ads where they'll train you on the job. Training will take longer before you're allowed to go at it alone and there are safety regulations to learn. Pay for these jobs is higher ranging from $10/hr in some areas to up to $19/hr in others depending on the number of skilled people that can do the job or are willing to train for it.

and it only goes up from here. As the ability to replace a worker becomes more difficult, the wages go up. If there happens to be a glut of that type of worker in a given area, wages go down because you can replace that person fairly quickly.

This happened in IT in the early 2000's. Until folks caught on, even entry level IT jobs could pay between $35K-$40k/year because there wasn't enough people to fill the need or were willing to train to take those jobs. As the decade progressed, people caught wind of these relatively high paying, entry level jobs and began to train for them. Within a few years there was a glut of people leaving boot camp style training with A+ certifications. With so many options, the pay for these jobs dropped. At one point I was seeing helpdesk jobs paying $11-$12/hr, yet requiring certs which would have once landed you a better paying technician job.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

because i actually do know the value of my labour
and the issue with those who are lowly paid, is that they have typically lacked the bargaining power to offset increase in inflation with wages.

>so now we have math, reading comprehension, AND economics as
>your weak points.

stop being simplistic. the economic theory on the marginal cost of labour depends on whether you are a Keynesian or classical economist. it also depends on whether you define wages in real vs nominal terms. there is no one school of thought.

supply and demand is one determination- but wages have been primarily linked to productivity.
this is one reason why the fact that wages have not kept up with increasing productivity in the u.s is problematic for many economists
it implies that there is an increasing inablity of labour to negotiate
(which in turn has consequences in terms of consumption - one of the key drivers of economic growth)

which is also why some economists advocate for increase in minimum wage levels - there is enough evidence that this does not negatively impact the economy, it raises productivity, consumption and is a driver for economic growth.
its not as simple as saying, oh economics


and to be honest, i dont know why you keep bringing up qualifications to this discussion
stop it.
you have no idea where im coming from or my academic background/ qualifications. you are just trying to be petty.
this is not a discussion on what academic accolades on holds

>The job is flipping burgers/taking orders. The skill level
>required to do this job is negligible. A 30 minute video and a
>little training and you're on your own before your first
>break. These are expendable positions and therefore are low
>paying because workers can be replaced easily.

this does not argue against the need to increase wages to keep up with inflation and cost of living.
neither does it argue against the fact that wage stagnation has happened despite rise in profits.

so, again what is your rationale for denying people an living wage?

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

And since you mentioned economics....I'll correct you in saying that it's supply and demand that determines the level of job wages. Not skill level. Skill level is ONE of the factors in determining 'supply'....the less people who can do it, the less the supply is for that field.

But you could be the only person in the world who's able to juggle chainsaws while riding a unicycle. If there's no demand for that skill.....it's not gonna pay much (if anything).

>with cost of living?
>and this is primarily the issue?
>
>the issue is not about having a child
>even if she didnt have a child and worked 40hrs a week,
>1200usd is not enough money to live and sustain on
>
>

BAM
i'm exiting now
folks be on some shit seriously
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

so she could make 15/hr and be in the same position.

... to care for those children while still working at $7.50/hr.

Look... we all get the same opportunities in life whether you want to believe it or not. What sets any of us apart is what you CHOOSE to do. The majority of the things that happens in life is controlled by a choice you made.

You have the choice to use a condom/pill/etc if you're going to engage in premarital sex.
You have a choice to pay attention in school or not.
you have a choice to go to college/university or take up a trade after high school or sit on your ass.
You have a choice to finish high school or drop out.

Your existence is defined by you and your choices and these days you can make very informed choices in your day-to-day lives.

In this day and age there is simply no excuse to say "I didn't know" when you have access to the answers for nearly all of your questions in your fuckin pocket.

People, even kids, need to start taking responsibility for their lives, and we, as a society, need to start holding people accountable for their shitty decisions.

So, again, by all means have as many kids as you want, that's your choice... And if your choice means those children will grow up impoverished, so be it.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

but you don't actually believe this part in a literal sense, do you?

>Look... we all get the same opportunities in life whether you
>want to believe it or not.

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and can't afford to have kids.

I would say most people not born upper class with parents paying for college and a down payment on a house etc....

can't afford to have kids, pay for college, live a decent lifestyle (safe neighborhood not eating rame every night) and save for retirement.

for you 35-45+ year olds it might be different. for millenials on down to people in her age cohort, this is pretty much the situation.


*shrug*

(c) 95% of the youth in my neighborhood

That shit is not that simple. The only reason you can say that is because you actually KNOW better.

Some of these babies don't even have a chance. It's not that fucking simple

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sad story
still can't really grasp the fact that this happens to multiple generations
she said she didn't want her son to grow up like her
she's probably <30
how did she find her self in this predicament and why didn't her parents position her to do better
and if they failed what makes her think she will magically stop the cycle

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And I see what you are saying but *someone* has to be the first to commit to ending the cycle. The first step is stating it, then imagining it, then visualizing it and then doing it. She didn't in her own life but now she can make that effort for the next generation.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

...because I've always known a lot of where I am at is because I was born into INTELLECTUAL PRIVILEGE...but I didn't really fully comprehend it until I got to where I'm at.

So peep.

Let's put it at 15 children in the 0-12 range in my immediate vicinity (my building and the ones I can see from my deck).

100% of them speak slang as a primary language in the home.
85-90% of them I've heard verbally berating their children...profane tirades about the smallest things...
80% of those homes are listening to commercial radio and other psychic bullshit that hurts your spirit.

Children walking around in packs....cursing and smoking. Get along great with the corner boys up the block who periodically send them on runs...priming them for their teenaged years.

The adults I see on the regular are either posted by the back alley auto mechanic across the way...begging for change...selling loose cigarettes/oils...or they are servicing customers.

School district boundaries: The elementary and High Schools in my area are rated 1 out of 10 on GreatSchools. The High School is actually in danger of being closed....with both administration and students going thru a hunger strike in protest. The graduation rate last year was 35%. The pregnancy rate was 42%.

The school just rolled out a new MAP test for reading and math. 75% of the results are in. 33% of the students scored average. Less than 1% scored above average.

To get OUT of your district....you've got to get coached up enough to pass entrance exams to the better schools. No one is teaching the community of the game. It took 3 years for me to figure it out.

1st year...Got into the best school in the city but it was 20 miles away....ended up going to a private school for a year.
2nd year....scores weren't high enough to get into the best schools in Math (75th Percentile) even though reading was 90th Percentile....got accepted to the NEIGHBORHOOD Magnet school....soulful as hell. Immediate issues with socialization upon arrival...constant name calling...teacher exasperated...pulled out after the year was over.
3rd year....again didn't score well enough to get into the best schools....but we got lucky and won the lottery for the Magnet school we wanted. Since 1 child got in...I didn't have to do much for the 2nd child other than make sure he was coached up and ready to test.

This from two parents with full command of the English language....relatively stable home lives and a passion for their children. We are the anomaly. And IT TOOK US 3 YEARS AND LUCK TO FIGURE IT OUT!!!!

The best schools in the city that aren't Selective Enrollment (Test based admission)? They are rent controlled. In order to attend...you have to live within a district with a median rent price of 2000-2500/month for a 2 bedroom one bath.

So...no role models...limited resources....no access to education....minimal activities....easy access to intoxicants....

Shorty from my block was having a rough night. I asked her to ride with me to the job just to talk to her and get her mind right.

She had so much anxiety from even GOING downtown.....said people judge her and she can feel it.

"....at least around here...I know what I'm dealing with".

As I said above...it's not that simple

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Your parents can give you all of the advantages and you can still fuck it all up. This still comes down to personal responsibility. Everybody knows someone that came from a good background that still wound up in prison, multiple kids, on drugs, etc. What excuse do you have for that?

Sending your kids to the best schools in the area doesn't guarantee they'll go to college. Even if they step foot on a college campus that doesn't mean they'll graduate.

Telling your kids to wait for marriage for sex or kids doesn't mean they will do it. Shit, these days it's pretty much a guarantee they'll fuck the first chance they get.

Teaching a kid to stay away from drugs, gangs, or anything else that can fuck up their life doesn't guarantee they won't do it.


The parents can only do so much, it's up to the child to take what the parents have given them and do something with it.
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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

it's like 'poverty porn'.
intended to be viewed by whites on poor tours.

if they really cared, they wouldn't have put all the burden on this young lady.
there's a lot that goes into her situation.

where's the mention of that?

>it's like 'poverty porn'.
>intended to be viewed by whites on poor tours.
>
>if they really cared, they wouldn't have put all the burden on
>this young lady.
>there's a lot that goes into her situation.
>
>where's the mention of that?

I'm not sure, that what all goes in to her situation was their objective.

I think they just wanted to show how tough it is to get by on $7.50 an hour.

Which is a valid point, if you work 40 hours a week you should have some basic level of living

but they could've framed that objective better

dude

it's not her 'fault'

instead on focussing on the fact that 7.50 does not guarantee a living wage
we are here talking about poor people should not be having babies.

okp makes me smh sometimes.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

is that she's NOT getting 40hrs/week; she's getting considerably fewer hours if her bi-weekly pay is $260.




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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

so im not even considering how many hours she is *actually* working

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

and only makes 120 a week.

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im asking a general question about an adult making 1200 a month
which is what one would make if they worked 7.50an hour for 40 hours a week and for 4 weeks
its basic simple math.

which is why im raising the issue of a living wage

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

minimum wage isn't even minimum wage, considering how many people struggle to get 40 hours consistently

so it's even worse than what you're asking

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but yes,
the 1200 doesnt include taxes, and whatever else they take out of your check
it also doesnt consider that with a child.... there will be moments when she has to take time off.
and also that with hourly wage- you are not guaranteed time on the clock

but i also wanted to look at a best-case scenario where you are actually making that 40 hrs/week
it doesnt add up to enough money to live an average life
im just surprised that people here seem to think otherwise
and over some foolishness about -well i did it five years ago, and one could work 60 hours a week and....
ugh.
im getting pissed by this post

i really dont get such lack of empathy

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

7.50/hr * 40hrs = $300
$300 x 52 wks = $15600
15600/yr / 12mo = $1300

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>7.50/hr * 40hrs = $300
>$300 x 52 wks = $15600
>15600/yr / 12mo = $1300
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>"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the
>peace when we were getting laid out?
>Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances?
>Where is the peace then?
>They don't want to call for peace then.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

with taxes its even less than that.

so its not even about having a child.

who are you single people who seem to be okay with making less than 1200 a month
as a grown adult?

wtf

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

on that video
and my god. that just made my soul heart

these people are heartless, lack any empathy, bigoted and clearly have a narrative that defines the qualities poor people have (in their mind)

geez.


i feel sad for humanity

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

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she's poor
she should be in rags.

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

>these people are heartless, lack any empathy, bigoted and
>clearly have a narrative that defines the qualities poor
>people have (in their mind)
>
>geez.

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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

if the people making those hateful comments suddenly found themselves victims.

doesn't matter of what.

victims of something.

then I'd laugh at their asses.

I made $7/hr working at a clinic at U of M hospital. I had my own apartment and everything. Apartment was $450/month, nothing special. I paid for basic cable, internet, and phone. Water, heat, and electricity were included in my apartment.

I knew what to buy as far as groceries were concerned. Didn't have a car at the time, so I either walked or took the freight everywhere. The apartment I had would have been in one of those "food desert" zones, but that's meaningless if you're willing to walk or take the bus to get to food.

Even with groceries I still managed to put together a small recording rig, complete with PC, drum machine, keyboard, mixer, and sound modules.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

because thats the question on the table.
this is not about providing anecdotes.
i've certainly lived on less than 1200 a month but i definitely dont
believe that this is acceptable wages for an adult working 40 hours a week.
there should be a minimum standard of living - and this does not meet it.

the average 1 bedroom apartment in this country costs about 700usd
its very hard to find an 'ok' apt for 450.
but to be honest, working 40 hrs a week should guarantee more than just scrapping the bottom barrel
and looking for the cheapest options

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

>because thats the question on the table.
>this is not about providing anecdotes.
>i've certainly lived on less than 1200 a month but i
>definitely dont
> believe that this is acceptable wages for an adult working 40
>hours a week.

Why not? Serious question here. The problem I see with anecdotes is that they tend to disprove the bullshit. So instead of listening to people who have done it (and more than enough have lived like this to disprove any of what you said), you'd rather spew statistics which don't take into account for things like personal responsibility.


>there should be a minimum standard of living - and this does
>not meet it.

How so??? It's all about living within your means and if your means say you live without stuff like the latest phone and superfluous shit like that, then so be it.

You can't get mad when you walk into a Benz dealership with Fiat money and they tell you that you ain't driving away with a new S Class. If your budget says "you'll be getting a cheap Tracphone/Net10 joint and the $15/month minutes", then that's what you get. If your budget allows you to buy clothes at Walmart and not as Saks or Macy's, then that's where you shop. When you learn to love within your means you learn that a lot of the shit we spend a ton of money on these days simply ain't doing anything except draining your pockets with little to no return on that money.

It's about being smart with your finances. If you don't understand that then you're just as lost as the chick in the video.



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>the average 1 bedroom apartment in this country costs about
>700usd
>its very hard to find an 'ok' apt for 450.
>but to be honest, working 40 hrs a week should guarantee more
>than just scrapping the bottom barrel
>and looking for the cheapest options

Nothing is or should be guaranteed to you by the number of hours you work. That's an idiotic statement.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

>Why not? Serious question here.
>you'd rather spew statistics which don't take into account for
>things like personal responsibility.

i havent actually spewed even one statistic here.
and i could... so i dont know wtf you are talking about here

and i have said that i have lived on less than 12oo- which is why i dont agree that its acceptable.

>How so??? It's all about living within your means and if your
>means say you live without stuff like the latest phone and
>superfluous shit like that, then so be it.

you watched the video and the conclusion is she's not living within her means? you didnt see the struggle to make ends meet?
why? because she has a phone? you dont think people should have phones?
what other essential basic necessities should one do without?
health care? clothes and shoes? a car (because it is a necessity in majority of places- to get to work), recreation? proper nutrition?.

>It's about being smart with your finances. If you don't
>understand that then you're just as lost as the chick in the
>video.

no need to be judgemental here becuase you certainly know nothing about me
and a disagreement in opinion does not equal being lost

the difference here is that i actually think people should afford an average life-style
and yes, i do think that if you work 40 hours a week you should be guaranteed a living wage

the minimum wage has failed to keep up with increases in cost of living - ergo situations like this young lady
i dont suffer because other people start doing better -
i have enough empathy to go around-
enough to even wish that this young woman earns more than 7.50 an hour
i dont feel better just because there's someone else doing worse than i am/
or is doing as badly as i was


>Nothing is or should be guaranteed to you by the number of
>hours you work. That's an idiotic statement.

explain how this is an 'idiotic' statement.
perhaps you dont know what defines a living wage?
because you seem to think we are advocating for luxuries like benzs (and btw, thats the idiotic statement in all this- what the fuck does that comparison have to do with this post? it doesnt even make sense.

the u.k just implemented a living wage- here's how they define it; "a person working forty hours a week, with no additional income, should be able to afford the basics for quality of life, food, utilities, transport, health care, minimal recreation, one course a year to upgrade their education, and childcare."

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

regardless of the child situation, $7.50 is not a living wage anywhere in the US in 2015. No one is getting $450 rents anymore in any city that anyone wants to live in to be honest. What state were you in also? that's a factor.

If she was childless and making this same wage, she'd be struggling MORE than she is now because she wouldn't qualify for any assistance, benefits, or insurance as a single woman making 1200 a month.

And completely out of touch.

He stays in these post with his unique back in the day experience.

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the comments on that video and the comments here reflect this.


life happens and lets be honest everybody aint cut out to rise to the top.

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And yes, to have a child when you're completely unable to care for that child is a shitty decision unless you're willing to do it while learning SOMETHING that will put you in a better position to care for that child.

I can see struggling for a little while in order to better yourself and create a more comfortable life for you and yours, but to just sit off on minimum wage and not even try to do shit else??? Nah b, that's your shitty decision you gotta live with.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

if that is the conclusion you drew from that video

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i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

>if that is the conclusion you drew from that video

and if you can't understand that then you must be a shitty person yourself.

My parents taught me personal responsibility, to own up to your mistakes and not to place the blame on others for your fuck-ups. So when, as an adult, I got a chick pregnant I immediately started looking for a second job even though I was already working 50+ hrs a week making minimum wage ($4.25/hr back then). The girl aborted about a week or two after she told me but I never shied away from it.

When I saw other people I graduated HS with starting their careers at 23 years old and my ass was still shlepping around installing car stereos I never blamed "da man" for not having the opportunity to do better because I had it... I just fucked it up. I screwed up my chance to go back to EMU so I had to do take my ass to community college while everyone else was enjoying a career path they made for themselves. Eventually I took my knack for computers and maneuvered myself into an entry level IT position. I busted my ass and three years later I had already doubled my salary. I busted my ass some more and within a total of 5 years I had nearly tripled the salary I was making in that entry level job.

I had to make a way because I didn't finish college. I had to do it for myself and to take care of my family.

I own my fuck-ups and mistakes in my life. I don't accept it when others make excuses for theirs, and damned sure don't accept it when other people make excuses for someone else.

Own your shit and make it happen for you. Nothing less is acceptable.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

as though im talking about something different.
even in the video- we are presented with a woman who is taking personal responsibility
she's working, and taking care of her child
i present a scenario of an adult working 40 hours a week - that is taking responsiblity of one's situation.
unless you have a different definition you are using?

>and if you can't understand that then you must be a shitty
>person yourself.

lol!

>
>My parents taught me personal responsibility, to own up to
>your mistakes and not to place the blame on others for your
>fuck-ups. So when, as an adult, I got a chick pregnant I
>immediately started looking for a second job even though I was
>already working 50+ hrs a week making minimum wage ($4.25/hr
>back then). The girl aborted about a week or two after she
>told me but I never shied away from it.

i dont know why you keep telling us about your story-
as though you are the only one that had to struggle to get to where they are today
news flash- you are not
i can also sit here all day and wax poetic about how hard life has been and i struggled and made it
the difference here is that because i know what the struggle entails
i dont wish it on others - and i think we asa society can and should do better about this
you on the other hand? seem to think that a single parent should work >=56 hours a week just to make ends meet
because... 'life, suck it up - i did'
thats a crabs in a barrel attitude - im glad i dont think like this.

but... just to reiterate
when people talk about a living wage- they arent talking about a situation
where a person does not want to work - or merely wants a hand-out
or is abdicating responsibility
they are talking about a situation where cost of living has gone up
at twice the rate that the minimum wage has gone up (see? now *that* is a statistic)
making it difficult to make ends meet on 40 hours a week
that is wrong.

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

but don't have to struggle as this woman does.

THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT.

no one should have to live as she does in THIS country where so many are so 'blessed'. this woman is working...for a disgustingly large corporation that rakes in more money than it can count. yet she's paid peanuts. and the corporation bends rules and laws and morality to avoid paying her a fair wage for her work. i don't think that's okay w/o regard for what choices this woman has made and who's responsible and all of that other bootstrap-bullshit you're spewing.

i'm quite sure if she were interviewed about all of her mistakes this woman could run down a list of the choices she made that resulted in working @ McD's and raising a child on her own. so in the fuck what? the point is those choices shouldn't result in her scraping by as she is. or, at least a number of us feel that way. and we want to see McD's and other similar entities pay their employees at a rate that won't have them living the struggle life this woman lives.

fuck you.

>but don't have to struggle as this woman does.
>
>THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT.

It IS the fucking point. The point is there's a way if there's a will to go do it.

If you paid attention to the video, this chick ain't working full time. That means she has plenty of time to seek out a more stable job paying better instead of sittin off doing whatever the hell she's doing all day that ain't helping to get money in the crib. She's been working at McD's for a fuckin year scraping by, at some point your brain should have kicked in and said "Hey... MAYBE you should find better work... Maybe sign up with Manpower or something to see if you can get a little office job or some shit... Maybe go to work for Chick Fil A,I hear they pay better..."


>no one should have to live as she does in THIS country where
>so many are so 'blessed'. this woman is working...for a
>disgustingly large corporation that rakes in more money than
>it can count. yet she's paid peanuts. and the corporation
>bends rules and laws and morality to avoid paying her a fair
>wage for her work. i don't think that's okay w/o regard for
>what choices this woman has made and who's responsible and all
>of that other bootstrap-bullshit you're spewing.

You still on that "she's working" shit... She's got a PART TIME job, not a full time job and, yes, it DOES matter. It's different if the chick in the story was pulling down 40 a week, but that ain't the case here by any stretch of the imagination. It's pretty fucking RARE for any McDonalds to put anyone on the schedule for 40 hours (I'm a two time McD's employee) so going there thinking you're gonna be stable is plain stupidity.

The people that hate bootstrap are entitled ass niggas that simply want everything handed to them. Look around bruh... Everything you see was built by a bootstrap mentality... Even the music you listen to. House and Techno was built on bootstrapping, hip hop was built on bootstrapping, punk and metal was built on bootstrapping.

The Mac and iPhone you use to post on this very message board were built by a company started by two dudes in a garage.

For basic survival, EVERYONE should have this mentality. The ability to pull shit together to make something better for themselves instead of being complacent and accepting whatever comes along is vital in this world. I'm not saying everyone should aspire to be the next Steve Wozniak or some shit, but just strive harder to make a better life for yourself.

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters..." - Fredrick Douglass.

Applying Fredrick Douglass' quote to this situation: You want a comfortable life but don't want to work for it. You want it handed to you while others work hard to get there. No one simply "deserves" shit in the world except for a roof over their head, clothes on their back, and food and the government already can provide that shit via welfare. Anything else you have to go out and get yourself. If you have the skills, you get better pay. If you're simply content with flipping burgers, minimum wage awaits.

>i'm quite sure if she were interviewed about all of her
>mistakes this woman could run down a list of the choices she
>made that resulted in working @ McD's and raising a child on
>her own. so in the fuck what? the point is those choices
>shouldn't result in her scraping by as she is.

Why not Mr Lawyer??? Of ALL the people on this board you should be painfully aware of how a persons past actions can have devastating consequences. If we're just going to ignore piss poor decisions a person has made then let's apply it universally so that the person that got locked up for robbing a bank can now apply to be the manager of that very bank he tried to rob 'cause, you know, piss poor decisions no longer mean anything.

My wife had a child at 21 years old. Instead of making excuses for shit she made a way. The father was barely doing anything for his daughter, so it was up to her to handle it. She had ZERO job skills outside of working at Sears and working the night watch desk in the dorms (which is where we met), but when this child came along she got her ass up and got a 40hr/week job working at a community college (which she also attended). She was on section 8, food stamps, and getting daycare assistance just like this chick in the video but there's a difference: My wife went to school AND pulled 40 a week with a child. Was it a struggle? Hell yeah, but she managed.



>or, at least a
>number of us feel that way. and we want to see McD's and
>other similar entities pay their employees at a rate that
>won't have them living the struggle life this woman lives.

I have advocated on here for raising the minimum wage to $10-$11/hr. I think that's realistic (and so do a number of economists) and would give minimum wage workers a considerable boost.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.