I don't get it.

Blacks are THE most economically disenfranchised people in the USA...so why pretend to care about those who DO steal opportunities from people who are already legal citizens of the country.

It seems like a clear and obvious impact that illegals competing for low wages and unskilled labor takes the ability for the already marginalized to continue to be overlooked for opportunities to be filled.

I'm not trying to relegate blacks to low-skilled and low wage work, but any money in the community's pockets is better than nothing.

lets also be honest, black immigrants can't just walk across the border. They have to take planes to get here. Boats dont even work. 70% of the illegal immigrants exploited the fact that they could just walk across the border because they lived next door.

>I don't get it.

end of post.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>>I don't get it.
>
>end of post.
>
>
>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
>
>
>..and miles to go before i sleep...

*exits*
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

of course you don't get it.

some of us, though, think injustice anywhere is a treat to justice everywhere.

some of us think that anything that chips away from YT's power is good.

so don't worry about it.

convseratives never understand these things anyway.

Illegal immigration is NOT an issue that matters to black people by and large.

all poor ppl have more in common than they do not.

any effort to pit minorities against one another is a pretty transparent conservative tactic.

of course, YOU don't want Black ppl to support other poor ppl.

Put things in priorities.

Illegal immigrants already are not supposed to be here.

I'm in favor of reforming the citizenship pathway and making it more transparent and streamlined...but illegal immigrants deserve to get in the back of every line in terms of economic empowerment.

clearly, rich ppl are kicking poor ppl's ass on every front.

anything that pits poor ppl against one another is Fox News bullshit.

i don't care if poor ppl came down from Mars.

if they are poor, we need to support their interest. Because all poor ppl
should be united, unless they want to remain powerless.

take the last word if you want it.

your post is dumb.

Remember...illegals aren't even supposed to be here.

So I'm trying to advocate getting my house in order before anyone else tries to get over on people who look like me.

now, okp is pretty hard left so they support them but the majority of blacks aren't supporting illegals and their rights...

IMO its more so a stance most rich white liberals take. The average black person isn't a fan of that shit.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>now, okp is pretty hard left so they support them


OKP in no way represents the "far left."
if it did, ppl on would be openly advocating for socialism,
complete legalization of all drugs, a severe drop in our military budget, a severe drop in the number of armed cops in our neighborhoods, a more aggressive strategy for slowing global warming,
and a drastic increase in the minimum wage.

please try again.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

when we discuss politics?

It's like 2 or 3 liberal posters that post regularly vs. you, ThaTruth, seasoned vet, vex id, southphilly man, kwesi, Game Theory, and a host of others.


Nah.

you come off as an extremist for everything you champion. Nobody likes an extremist.

It's like dealing with a vegetarian that happens to enjoy red snapper with lemon on occasion versus a vegan that's a member of PETA.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

He actually just asks ya'll questions from his pov tirelessly, relentlessly... whereas other liberal posters choose not to engage for whatever reason.

>you come off as an extremist for everything you champion.
>Nobody likes an extremist.
>

absolutely nothing i champion is "extreme."
i'm a pretty level headed dude.

just because this country (and OKP)
is more conservative than it once was,
that doesn't mean that i am now an extremist.


k, in advance, to whatever you are about to say.

>>you come off as an extremist for everything you champion.
>>Nobody likes an extremist.
>>
>
>absolutely nothing i champion is "extreme."
>i'm a pretty level headed dude.
>
>just because this country (and OKP)
>is more conservative than it once was,
>that doesn't mean that i am now an extremist.
>
>
>k, in advance, to whatever you are about to say.
>
>

I said YOU come off as an extremist, not what you champion. Whole different thing that what you're talking about.

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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

I thought he was that new-agey, fitness guru, kinda fine white guy? Am I getting him mixed up with someone else?

i may be mixed up.

Nobody agree's with him cause he is an extremist.

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and are quick to say fuck you or fuck off...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>and are quick to say fuck you or fuck off...
>


and i didn't do the SoWhat heel turn until recently.
i used to reason with everybody, all the time.

remember when i posted as Joe Corn Mo?
and i used to patiently ask question after question
to draw ppl to my side?

how did that work out?


oh yeah. with most of the board agreeing with you ppl.

i've been posting like an asshole for like a month, tops.

you have turned into sowhat's mini me... congrats


the country hasn't turned more conservative, this place hasn't turned more conservative..

you just focus more attention on those who don't agree with you. You listed 5 or 6 people and fucked up on 1 or 2 of them... so nah, maybe it's time to try a new angle instead of crying about 4 or 5 guys on here who don't share your views on some things.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

wtf is this? 1994? seen any fucking poll numbers lately? if not for regional sects and the electoral college, the right would be drowning. they still know how to play the game but they aren't winning much.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

I have a feeling they can find that type or level of work -- if they want it.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

Lets not pretend like blacks weren't doing these jobs decades ago....

...toilet job that black people you know can't get?




>I don't get it.
>
>Blacks are THE most economically disenfranchised people in the
>USA...so why pretend to care about those who DO steal
>opportunities from people who are already legal citizens of
>the country.
>
>It seems like a clear and obvious impact that illegals
>competing for low wages and unskilled labor takes the ability
>for the already marginalized to continue to be overlooked for
>opportunities to be filled.
>
>I'm not trying to relegate blacks to low-skilled and low wage
>work, but any money in the community's pockets is better than
>nothing.
>
>lets also be honest, black immigrants can't just walk across
>the border. They have to take planes to get here. Boats dont
>even work. 70% of the illegal immigrants exploited the fact
>that they could just walk across the border because they lived
>next door.
>
>


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

If illegals drag down wage floors then there are that many more people who aren't able to find the same unskilled labor.

that's not smart for minorities to do.
since, you know, we are all in the minority.

but this is a wonderful Fox News talking point.

good luck with it.

These hispanic immigrants are aspirational white supremacists themselves when it comes to integration in society by and large.

But i'm not even trying to go that deep.

I'm saying that helping illegals does not help the black community at all.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

Blacks need to start looking out for their economic interests by taking stances against demographics who are consistently getting more support than they are.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

Get your singular opposition of white power out of your head.

Other groups of people actively don't want to see black americans do well either.

Black needs should matter more than people who shouldn't even be in the US

My opposition is to those who have the power. They are mostly white. Illegal Aliens don't have power in this country.


>Get your singular opposition of white power out of your
>head.
>
>Other groups of people actively don't want to see black
>americans do well either.
>
>Black needs should matter more than people who shouldn't even
>be in the US


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:

Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
Appropriate Behavior - http://goo.gl/isCzTM
Ma

so while we are happy to see whites lose power I still think we have to recognize illegals are outing in WORK and reproducing at an amazing rate.

Our we allies or will they move ahead of us and keep us out of the loop?

I know what I see in Charlotte and it's a huge influx of illegals on construction sites. They are low balling construction jobs and since we don't know spanish we aren't getting picked to work with a Mexican crew.

Construction work is huge for blacks too due to a lack of background checks.

I still see blacks working for the city and see us on construction sites but the numbers are much lower.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

because it's guys like Trump (and his peers) who actually employ these same undocumented workers. They will pay them as little as they can.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

https://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr12im2010.pdf

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123811962

All that altruism will bite you in the ass.

Most of those congressmen are connected to people that hire illegals i.e. the Koch bros or those like them.

That ties into the NPR piece which mentions holding employers more accountable. The problem with that is it's low level business owners who will bear the brunt.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

You rant and rave about representation until theres a body of research that contradicts your views?

Come on now...at least try to hide your trolling

That's a document telling them what they already know and have known and they are not concerned because undocumented workers are one of the places where their money is coming from.

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Everything looks like Oprah kissing Harvey Weinstein these days

we keep it moving,

All these emotional appeals come at the expense of someone else who followed the rules

It's always split when it comes to the opinions. I dont think it is wrong you think otherwise. You have a right to an opinion

we keep it moving,

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

That was grown-folk posting right dere.

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"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

It sounds like you're just trying to support skirting the law because you dont care about anyone else who follows the rules.

Don't try to dodge culpability here.

It took a lot of us time to become legal. For example, my homie who was illegal came here in 98. All through high school he tried to become legal. Went to the military and the military promised to make him legal. Took him 10 years but finally got legal. We all start somewhere so I can't knock someone who did the same thing my family went through. We all come to the states for the idea and a shot at the American dream. Especially when it becomes unsafe in our home country whether by said countries politics or American involvement.

we keep it moving,

were the one who made it then, too?

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->

This is a cheap appeal if you ask me, and it also ignores a long history of people who came to this country illegally or semi-legally and produced generations of productive Americans.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

This whole "pull yourself up" trope doesn't address real and present issues of economic disparities in the black community.

Why are you so afraid to discuss black economics.

Stop widening the pie.

i don't see poor black people sitting in front of Home Depot waiting to do manual labor at a discount.

and minimum wage paying retail/restaurant/hospital jobs are there for people that want to do them. sure, there is competition for low skill/low education/low wage jobs but those jobs are out there. at least in Baltimore they are.

i've run into far too many young people that don't wanna do that type of work even though they don't have the credential to do much else.

and i run into too many people that would rather get by doing all kinds of hustles than take what they see as a menial job.




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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

https://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr12im2010.pdf

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123811962

All that altruism will bite you in the ass.

Black Americans have plenty of avenues to aim higher and many do.

But you've still got 60% of black Americans with a high school diploma or less. And you still have a significant portion (though not all) of these unskilled jobs that no one would do in the black community. For every small factory and hotel, there's a bunch of day labor gigs and shit like that.

I think you're trying to attack the problem in a way that's ultimately unproductive and, even if you don't agree with that, much more out of the black community's control than improving their own standards and standing.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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to us so **shrugs**

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