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"commitment. (a 25 and over post)"


  

          

i've decided that the next commitment i make will be one leading to marriage and/or a long-term bonding of some kind.

i trust respect. i trust non-romantic love, friendship, and admiration. i trust like.

all the things that take time.

i don't, however, trust being "in love". not anymore.

i may well be the woman of your dreams, but that doesn't mean you have the foggiest idea of what to do with me.

now, having encountered that situation one too many times, i've realized i tend to fall for potential, not necessarily the here and now. i have a knack for seeing the actualized man long before he's done the work to see it himself.

i think many women have this tendency. it's why we stick with you guys so long thru so many things. it's part of our role as mothers. we're meant to know these things.

but ladies, please, take your time, explore the possibilities. watch what he does, not what he says. love yourself, learn yourself. the only shame in being single (notice i don't say "alone"...that's a fallacy) is the shame you make of it.

fellas: grow. don't buy into all the bullshit of what a man is or isn't. 'cause you might find out that none of it applies to you. love you. be who you are, not who you think will get u the most ass. 'cause most of that ass ain't worth the hassle anyway.

that's all.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
this is so very true
Jan 04th 2005
1
stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
Jan 04th 2005
4
      hmmmm
Jan 04th 2005
6
      how many men do you know
Jan 04th 2005
8
           i love you even though you're making one of these posts.
Jan 04th 2005
17
           hey, man
Jan 04th 2005
35
           See, that just sounds stupid to me.
Jan 04th 2005
18
                ive also heard that as the definition of insanity
Jan 04th 2005
27
                ok. fine. but at the same time
Jan 04th 2005
28
                     i think it also has to do w/ur level of awareness
Jan 04th 2005
37
                     true enough.
Jan 04th 2005
42
                          i think getting to know urself is the thing
Jan 04th 2005
47
                     If you're recognize there's a pattern...
Jan 04th 2005
41
                          agree to disagree, i suppose.
Jan 04th 2005
48
*shows you fake ID and walks on in*.................................
Jan 04th 2005
2
i dont really know what to say so this must mean something
Jan 04th 2005
3
flesh it out
Jan 04th 2005
9
word up. n/m
Jan 04th 2005
5
i've said this for a LONG time.
Jan 04th 2005
7
well i think that's human
Jan 04th 2005
16
I can see where the friendship first is better.
Jan 04th 2005
88
agree
Jan 05th 2005
151
not 25
Jan 04th 2005
10
you're ahead of the game.
Jan 04th 2005
19
so are you working to make yourself the "best thing"..............
Jan 04th 2005
22
i'm working on making myself the best thing for me.
Jan 04th 2005
24
      sounds similar................
Jan 04th 2005
29
      smart man
Jan 04th 2005
36
      *smiles*
Jan 04th 2005
38
this right here...
Jan 05th 2005
124
but see, why the D00DS just need to grow, doe?
Jan 04th 2005
11
see my "ladies" note.
Jan 04th 2005
20
sometimes it takes learning the hard way...
Jan 04th 2005
12
yup.
Jan 04th 2005
23
3 months shy of 25
Jan 04th 2005
13
that was real talk.
Jan 04th 2005
14
it's like i'm aware
Jan 04th 2005
39
      its not selfishness.......its self love and respect.....
Jan 05th 2005
101
           i'll give til it hurts
Jan 05th 2005
132
fuck love
Jan 04th 2005
15
this is sooo true
Jan 04th 2005
21
my 2 cents
Jan 04th 2005
25
excellent points.
Jan 04th 2005
52
      willing...that's important
Jan 04th 2005
59
           you're making me think today
Jan 04th 2005
61
                so then we're teaching each other :)
Jan 04th 2005
75
                     you are so right.
Jan 04th 2005
78
RE: commitment. (a 25 and over post)
Jan 04th 2005
26
little things matter.
Jan 04th 2005
58
after 27 that boyfriend, girlfriend stuff should cease
Jan 04th 2005
30
lololol
Jan 04th 2005
55
      I guess it's something you have to see yourself?
Jan 05th 2005
102
I read the post
Jan 04th 2005
31
true, but you know
Jan 04th 2005
44
i'm 26, single ..
Jan 04th 2005
32
in regards to the part before the advice
Jan 04th 2005
33
nucca I'm 23 and
Jan 04th 2005
34
good.
Jan 04th 2005
45
      it did
Jan 04th 2005
64
What am I supposed to do with you?
Jan 04th 2005
40
i don't have an arrogant bone in my body.
Jan 04th 2005
46
I'm asking you
Jan 04th 2005
50
      well
Jan 04th 2005
54
that is REAL shit
Jan 05th 2005
98
damn this shit hit home ... got damn
Jan 04th 2005
43
you know.
Jan 04th 2005
49
i may well be the woman of your dreams....
Jan 04th 2005
51
I agree wholeheartedly, unfortunatly when it comes to
Jan 04th 2005
53
i'm an emotional golddigger.
Jan 04th 2005
57
on point sis
Jan 04th 2005
77
BINGO LINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 04th 2005
95
      That's deep
Jan 05th 2005
106
      Get out of my head!
Jan 05th 2005
107
      i lean towards
Jan 05th 2005
133
           oh bwoy have i been picked apart.
Jan 05th 2005
141
                that's real, though.
Jan 05th 2005
145
                     RE: that's real, though.
Jan 05th 2005
148
love
Jan 04th 2005
56
i think in terms of stages now
Jan 04th 2005
60
love
Jan 04th 2005
82
good ole infatuation
Jan 04th 2005
63
almost 21 but
Jan 04th 2005
62
25..and..
Jan 04th 2005
65
never had an abusive relationship
Jan 04th 2005
66
      In response to response #54
Jan 04th 2005
72
           many things.
Jan 04th 2005
76
i'm thinking i need more gray
Jan 04th 2005
68
      I go back and forth on this one
Jan 04th 2005
69
      either way
Jan 04th 2005
71
           agreed
Jan 04th 2005
74
      i don't think i need any more gray
Jan 04th 2005
84
           i'm like, fuck it. let him talk.
Jan 05th 2005
112
OK, so I was just in a relationship for five years
Jan 04th 2005
67
im 25 in 3 months.
Jan 04th 2005
70
lol...that was just sort of a disclaimer.
Jan 04th 2005
73
word
Jan 04th 2005
79
that's all i'm sayin.
Jan 05th 2005
116
this is perhaps
Jan 04th 2005
80
at 27, my situation is this:
Jan 04th 2005
81
you aint neva lied!
Jan 04th 2005
83
Dr invisible
Jan 04th 2005
85
She ended it
Jan 04th 2005
91
the last sentence
Jan 04th 2005
87
work is important.
Jan 05th 2005
118
before i disagree, i agree. this is word
Jan 04th 2005
86
i mean, there are plenty of 1/2 women out there
Jan 05th 2005
119
      Interesting point about nuture
Jan 05th 2005
122
I appreciate this post...
Jan 04th 2005
89
Only for the grown and sexy...
Jan 04th 2005
90
i don't qualify for this post.
Jan 04th 2005
92
oh please. lol.
Jan 05th 2005
120
can you come tell me this when i feel "alone"
Jan 04th 2005
93
you're never alone.
Jan 05th 2005
127
archive
Jan 04th 2005
94
RE: archive
Jan 05th 2005
96
preach :)...........
Jan 05th 2005
97
best post i've read in a minute
Jan 05th 2005
99
i went home with this post on my mind
Jan 05th 2005
100
i read this yesterday
Jan 05th 2005
103
yeah....
Jan 05th 2005
129
I agree with this:
Jan 05th 2005
104
Is 25 the settle down age ?
Jan 05th 2005
105
Seems to be in some circles
Jan 05th 2005
109
Yeah this suburbanite i know is ready u here me
Jan 05th 2005
110
quarter life crisis age.
Jan 05th 2005
126
      RE: quarter life crisis age.
Jan 05th 2005
128
           hm.
Jan 05th 2005
131
Do females really NEED a man
Jan 05th 2005
108
no
Jan 05th 2005
111
A LOT of women feel that way.... like it makes their life complete
Jan 05th 2005
113
I think companionship and desire for it are natural
Jan 05th 2005
114
I agree
Jan 05th 2005
115
      i think you're right
Jan 05th 2005
117
we all need each other.
Jan 05th 2005
123
i know i do
Jan 05th 2005
135
wow.
Jan 05th 2005
121
I got u
Jan 05th 2005
125
monogamy is for suckas.
Jan 05th 2005
130
we all want super relationships..
Jan 05th 2005
134
now that is true
Jan 05th 2005
136
the problem with me has been
Jan 05th 2005
137
      this is me.
Jan 05th 2005
138
           ohhh yeah.
Jan 05th 2005
140
can you here me amen-ing this post from atlanta?????
Jan 05th 2005
139
like i'd put this post on a baby tee
Jan 05th 2005
142
      lol...i'm just tryin
Jan 05th 2005
143
           you have no idea how apropos your words are...
Jan 05th 2005
144
                i have to start believing my own hype.
Jan 05th 2005
146
*up*
Jan 05th 2005
147
bravo and exactly
Jan 05th 2005
149
excellent post
Jan 05th 2005
150

Sha
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1. "this is so very true"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

now, having encountered that situation one too many times, i've realized i tend to fall for potential, not necessarily the here and now. i have a knack for seeing the actualized man long before he's done the work to see it himself.

i think many women have this tendency. it's why we stick with you guys so long thru so many things. it's part of our role as mothers. we're meant to know these things.

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but what saddens me is when they make excuses for not realizing.......


You want it one way, when it's the other (c) Marlo Stansfield

  

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Quixotic
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4. "stop drinking the Kool-Aid."
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~G.D.

  

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6. "hmmmm"
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get outta my reply

You want it one way, when it's the other (c) Marlo Stansfield

  

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LexM
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Tue Jan-04-05 09:20 AM

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8. "how many men do you know"
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Tue Jan-04-05 09:21 AM

  

          

who sit thru heartbreak after heartbreak because they know that somewhere down in there is a "good woman"?

i mean, i've known of a couple, but i've known a hell of a lot more women in that situation. and, overall, we suffer more for it (kids, std's, abuse, etc.).

lol...i know you hate these kinds of posts, but if they don't apply to you, they don't apply.

but they apply to MANY of your brethren. even the "good" ones. like it or not.


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Quixotic
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17. "i love you even though you're making one of these posts."
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and i'll just love you until you change one day.


~G.D.

  

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LexM
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35. "hey, man"
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there are reasons this shit ain't easy.

and it's not 'cause men & women are from different planets.

your & remy's responses to these things suggest that you, like me, avoided seeing a lot of the dysfunction that many count as perfectly normal.

but it's out there. and it affects folks. deeply. and, like i just said to remy, i avoided a LOT. but not everything.

that can't be ignored.

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RemyMartin
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18. "See, that just sounds stupid to me."
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The definition: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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"as interested in helping the "people" as i am i'll probably end up making slaves out of most of you and your children soon (whether financially, physically, of through social conditioning that i plan on instituting). my disgust with the mediocrity and outright pitiful nature of what i see around me everyday is making me think like an oppressor. oh well... i figure if all the shit cats talk about is real, they'll be able to withstand *shrugs*.
i now see see people as sheep. and i'm the slaughterer." - Utamaroho

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FLASH!!

  

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27. "ive also heard that as the definition of insanity"
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same flava though

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LexM
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28. "ok. fine. but at the same time"
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we're talking about relationships. things that are based, by definition almost, on patterns.

i think that in this aspect of your life, what you grew up with, what you internalized manifests itself more than any other.

it's not so easy to just say "do something different" when dealing in affairs of the heart.

if you automatically unlearned all the jacked up things (or never had that exposure in the first place), more power to you. i know i've escaped many a pitfall myself.

but there were quite a few i didn't.

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37. "i think it also has to do w/ur level of awareness"
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if ure in a patter/rut and u havent figured out what part u play in it, i dont think ure as accountable.

but if ur ass knows: i tend to date people who r unreachable and abusive and u stay in a relationship with an unreachable/abusive person...then its *ur* fault shits jacked up.

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"I'm not about building intimate connections based on fear and defensiveness" - Shimmy

"Even with my strap-on I got more balls than you." - Shimmy

  

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LexM
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42. "true enough."
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>if ure in a patter/rut and u havent figured out what part u
>play in it, i dont think ure as accountable.
>
>but if ur ass knows: i tend to date people who r
>unreachable and abusive and u stay in a relationship with an
>unreachable/abusive person...then its *ur* fault shits
>jacked up.

but i suppose my thing is, if "unreachable and abusive" looks normal to you, how do you adjust your vision? if that's all you *know*, how do you come to the realization that there's an alternative? (not my personal experience, i'm just asking)

with me, the patterns have been very subtle, and not *that* glaringly problematic. it took me some time to really see them for what they were.



~~~~
"Terrorism is only the privatization of war. Terrorists are the free marketeers of war. They believe that the legitimate use of violence is not the sole prerogative of the state." ~Arundhati Roy

strivin for self-determination since 1978

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47. "i think getting to know urself is the thing"
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theres a fine line, though. because if what uve grown seeing is "dysfunctional" u might not know that there's anything wrong at all.

i think im talking about even marginal awareness here. ill use myself as an example: my parents were a mess. id say prolly from jump they weren't "supposed" to be together. add w/that the fact that neither of them was willing to see what kind of garbage they brought into the relationship, though they were both very willing to point fingers. Now, those fools lived together in misery for 31 years and 1 day…they had three kids. My brother, sister and I carry a whole host of “issues” from growing up the way we did. In my opinion I’m the only one facing up to them. All of us are “functioning” and from the outside are “normal”…

I don’t know when I came to the realization that I played a part in the things that were “wrong” in my relationships – though my realization about the active role I play contines to grow. I just know at some point I decided that I wasn’t going to have the type of dysfunction I was used to. That was where I started. And now I just continue to try to get new relationship tools and to learn how to use them.

>but i suppose my thing is, if "unreachable and abusive"
>looks normal to you, how do you adjust your vision? if
>that's all you *know*, how do you come to the realization
>that there's an alternative? (not my personal experience,
>i'm just asking)
>
>with me, the patterns have been very subtle, and not *that*
>glaringly problematic. it took me some time to really see
>them for what they were.
>
>
>
>~~~~
>"Terrorism is only the privatization of war. Terrorists are
>the free marketeers of war. They believe that the legitimate
>use of violence is not the sole prerogative of the state."
>~Arundhati Roy
>
>strivin for self-determination since 1978

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"I'm not about building intimate connections based on fear and defensiveness" - Shimmy

"Even with my strap-on I got more balls than you." - Shimmy

  

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41. "If you're recognize there's a pattern..."
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...and it turns out negatively the MAJORITY of the time and you still do it, that's even worse.

Once you see there's a problem with your choices, rectify it.

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LexM
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48. "agree to disagree, i suppose."
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i'm just saying that out of all aspects of life, save parenting, i think this is one of the most difficult to do that with.




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2. "*shows you fake ID and walks on in*................................."
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I still feel you.

Even Knowitalls have to get their information from somewhere!

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3. "i dont really know what to say so this must mean something"
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_____________________________
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LexM
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9. "flesh it out"
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i'm interested.

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5. "word up. n/m"
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Quixotic
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7. "i've said this for a LONG time."
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friendships have more built-in flexibility than romantic relationships have.

no one has unrealistic expectations for their friends; everyone has them when they're smitten with The New Ass.

~G.D.

  

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LexM
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16. "well i think that's human"
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but i suppose everyone comes to a point where they say, ok, am i going to *continue* to see things this way, or am i going to shift the paradigm?

i don't necessarily believe that you *have* to be friends first any more than i believe love at first sight (on some level) is an impossibility.

i suppose another way of saying this is that it's a good idea to start off the relationship in whatever way is going to keep the other person honest. for most men, it seems like the dating/friendship level is where they are the "realest".

and that's cool.

but a woman knowing that freaks 'em out.

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88. "I can see where the friendship first is better."
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It's because the acceptance and understanding is there in that situation.

But both men and women are impatient and want to get to the sexual business before time...you ain't accepting much fromsomeone you're in that kind of involvement with. You want them to change and change yesterday.

...with who? THA DOODOOMAN!!!
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151. "agree"
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10. "not 25"
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but i made a post here a few weeks back laying out the reasons why i believe being in love is bullshit.

love is not beyond anyone's control. it's something that requires effort. nurturin growth. that's love.

there's a woman right now i love, but i can't commit myself to her just yet because i know that i ain't the best thing for her at this time.

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LexM
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19. "you're ahead of the game."
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>there's a woman right now i love, but i can't commit myself
>to her just yet because i know that i ain't the best thing
>for her at this time.

just acknowledging that reveals a self-knowledge that a lot of people struggle with.

it seems like guys get on the whole, "i'm the MAN...i need to lock this down" tip only to realize a couple of months/years down the line, "shit. i ain't ready."

then everything's fucked.


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22. "so are you working to make yourself the "best thing".............."
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for her. Or do you think that you will never be the best thing for her and hope she just decides to move on one day and you can remain friends?

Even Knowitalls have to get their information from somewhere!

I'm just collecting MySpace pages:

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praverbs
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24. "i'm working on making myself the best thing for me."
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which would make me the best i could be for her.

if she has moved on by that time, what can i say? that's the way love goes. if she still around, dope.

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29. "sounds similar................"
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to what I'm going through. Now I can respect his way of thinking even more. Thank you.

Even Knowitalls have to get their information from somewhere!

I'm just collecting MySpace pages:

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Me:
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*Football, beer, and naked b*tches!*
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-$1 Burgers
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What's better than this!?!?!?

CityScape NY
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E,V,G,N,R,W, or 7 trains to Queens Plaza

718.786.8390 for more info.

I know ya'll n*ggas is cheap. So why not travel cheap?!?!: www.1800cheapseats.com

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36. "smart man"
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though, most likely, she will move on...but you loving her selflessly has probably saved her from a lot of heartbreak...i'm sure there's more to the story though...

  

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38. "*smiles*"
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124. "this right here..."
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"there's a woman right now i love, but i can't commit myself to her just yet because i know that i ain't the best thing for her at this time."

is exactly what I am going through right now.

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11. "but see, why the D00DS just need to grow, doe?"
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<------- elegant


::: crooked eye glance :::
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE RED LIST*:
Big Mell
sometimes THEY know whats best for some of US. cause some of US aint
doing right compared to our counter parts (THEY = WHITE FOLKS)

janus
Is there any wonder why I hang out with mostly white or hispanic folks?
they arent as judgemental and dont have as many sexual hangups as black folk.

suave_bro
u know these muthafuckas are quick to run up on a black woman to ask her
to do some shit like this, because they know a black woman would be quick
to say yes to some shit like this...

MeDiNaStaR
"have you ever been to niggerland?" cuze,i'm wondering if a visa is required.

Juxtarose (you know what i like about white guys?" they don't think having
a house, job and a car and no criminal record means they really have some
thing going on...)

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20. "see my "ladies" note."
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and everybody needs to grow.

*sigh*

don't go gettin all defensive.

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12. "sometimes it takes learning the hard way..."
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I made that mistake with my first husband...thinking love was all that mattered, and looking at who he could be instead of who he really was at that time. But heartbreak and pain aside, it was a learning experience, and just a bump on the road to where I needed to be.
___________________________



January Sexy Bitch of the Month:

Full Name: Rose Jane McGowan
Birth Date: September 5, 1973
Birth Place: Florence, Italy
Height: 5'5"
Eye Color: brown
Hair Color: brunette
Measurements: 36C
Occupation: model, actress, former cult member
Resume: The Doom Generation, Jawbreaker, Charmed

Why She's a Sexy Bitch:

Oh where to start with Rose...she reminds me of a porcelain doll, if porcelain dolls went goth. She's a sexy bitch for so many reasons...she's gorgeous, talented, escaped the Children of God cult, and dated Marilyn Manson...oh, and there's that non-dress she wore to that MTV awards show. Besides, on a sexy bitch could say things like this:
"When I lived in Europe, I was usually pretty exalted for the way I looked. I had minions who would run and get me candy..."
__________________

"I was tired of my body. I found it ridiculous that my breasts and stomach should still be the same as they were when I was 18 and even though I had lived and changed, my body had not. I realized that my breasts were not just made to fill evening gowns, that is was time for them to fulfill their destiny." - pregnant Monica Bellucci

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23. "yup."
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i've never gotten *that* far (not even the kid level), but my heart had to take some hard knocks before i got it.

you can never be 100% sure, but i think you can definitely get up to 90-95%. ha.


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13. "3 months shy of 25"
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but i agree totally with what you just spewed...

thanks~





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14. "that was real talk."
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and i fully agree. its not a good thing or a bad thing, just a compatibility thing.

seeing whats happened with my parents, i've really gotten big on the compatibility issue. no everyone is for everybody. and sure trying to make it work, is an option, but there are some senarios where its better to seperate on some no hard feelings type of thing.

which is why you can't fall blindly in love. it may be great, but you better keep your eyes open and know what the hell is going on.
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aye, yo whattup sweetheart.

i know you ain't never seen
a nigga as big as me look so
damn smooth...look so sweet
out here on the dancefloor.
i put my thing down, nahmsayin'.
big niggas need love too.



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y.e.a.yea....you can get it.


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39. "it's like i'm aware"
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but i'll go, "well, it might work" or "i just know he could be the greatest thing if...".

still, i can almost always see the end coming. but i hang on anyway.

but i get caught up, scared i'll hurt him or thinking he deserves a chance...

i have to learn selfishness.


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101. "its not selfishness.......its self love and respect....."
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im still workin with that
*poof*


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132. "i'll give til it hurts"
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so i'm convinced that i'm not being "selfish" or "distant" or whatever....

again, never in an abusive situation. just times where i knew things just weren't meant to be.

it comes from some deeply rooted fears and behaviors...some of which i didn't know still affected me this way.

but, knowing's half the battle, right?

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15. "fuck love"
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love is jive in the '05

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21. "this is sooo true"
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but ladies, please, take your time, explore the possibilities. watch what he does, not what he says...
one of my many mottos dealing with men is actions speaks louder than words. stuff is always good in the 1st couple months of knowing (which is when u should be payin the closest attention, none of that test ish neither)watch what occurs when bumps in the road (ur so-called life) pops up..where is he at, is he being supportive or are u just gettin his voicemail..

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25. "my 2 cents"
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It’s funny you mention potential. I think, perhaps that looking for potential isn’t necessarily a bad thing, if you look for it in the right ways. Cause potential without action (which you mention) is what causes problems. Nothing wrong with a diamond in the rough, as long as the right person is willing to cut it…

This whole thing about being whole and grown in your own right… Why didn’t folks tell us this? I can recall countless conversations with people in my life, but very very few about having my own shit together. About how well you treat yourself being mirrored in how well the world treats you. Hell, I’m 35 and that’s something I have to remind myself about everyday.

And this dream (wo)man…who the hell is that? I tell you what © Hank Hill, the man I dreamt about in my girlish fantasies doesn’t hold a candle to who I’m with. Mind you, he always knows the right things to say, is romantic as hell, has the sex drive of an 18-year-old coupled with the maturity of a man, cooks likes a chef and thinks the sun shines outta my ass… Wait, what was I saying? Oh, yeah, this man of my dreams. He looks good on paper, but his ass doesn’t challenge me, he doesn’t inspire me, he doesn’t revel in the fact that the hard work I do on me and on us makes me grow…

I think we all fall prey to the fantasy at some point. The real deal, imo? Is that we don’t grow our love in respect, friendship and admiration. We get all caught up in falling in love and don’t realize our asses are falling!

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52. "excellent points."
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>It’s funny you mention potential. I think, perhaps that
>looking for potential isn’t necessarily a bad thing, if you
>look for it in the right ways. Cause potential without
>action (which you mention) is what causes problems. Nothing
>wrong with a diamond in the rough, as long as the right
>person is willing to cut it…

true.

at the end of the day, i'm learning i'm willing to love, but i'm not quite as willing to *teach*. there are certain things you have to come with.

>This whole thing about being whole and grown in your own
>right… Why didn’t folks tell us this? I can recall
>countless conversations with people in my life, but very
>very few about having my own shit together. About how well
>you treat yourself being mirrored in how well the world
>treats you. Hell, I’m 35 and that’s something I have to
>remind myself about everyday.

i was always told this...not necessarily directly, but it's something that comes naturally to me. my mother always tells me that her & my dad were determined not to raise us with their hangups.

i'm an oddball because i am--for the most part--a whole, functional human being who understands unconditional love. i hate to say it like that because it sounds arrogant, but as years go by i see just how unusual that is. and how scarred folks are.

my parents have those scars, but i don't. sometimes i wonder if i'm attracted to those injuries in others because i could always see the not-so-happy times behind my parents' smiles? maybe i want to "fix" them because i couldn't fix their inner children? i don't know.

it's amazing what you pass on, despite your best efforts.

>And this dream (wo)man…who the hell is that? I tell you
>what © Hank Hill, the man I dreamt about in my girlish
>fantasies doesn’t hold a candle to who I’m with. Mind you,
>he always knows the right things to say, is romantic as
>hell, has the sex drive of an 18-year-old coupled with the
>maturity of a man, cooks likes a chef and thinks the sun
>shines outta my ass… Wait, what was I saying? Oh, yeah,
>this man of my dreams. He looks good on paper, but his ass
>doesn’t challenge me, he doesn’t inspire me, he doesn’t
>revel in the fact that the hard work I do on me and on us
>makes me grow…

understood.
i can't remember ever really having a "man of my dreams"...it was more like, i'd dream about who was coming up next...

>I think we all fall prey to the fantasy at some point. The
>real deal, imo? Is that we don’t grow our love in respect,
>friendship and admiration. We get all caught up in falling
>in love and don’t realize our asses are falling!

amen.

with me, it's always been about not hurting his feelings. about missing out on an "opportunity" if i didn't commit to him. like, it could work out, right?

like i said to seth, i really need to learn selfishness. i'm really good at picking up on others' feelings for me, and sometimes i get caught up in that before i think about what's really in my best interests.

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59. "willing...that's important"
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>at the end of the day, i'm learning i'm willing to love, but
>i'm not quite as willing to *teach*. there are certain
>things you have to come with.

dont u teach, though, by doing? if u come into a situation able to do something that ur partner isnt, dont u become a teacher of sorts? now, what makes them ur student (or vice versa) is a willingness to learn... its the unwilling students that drain us.


>i'm an oddball because i am--for the most part--a whole,
>functional human being who understands unconditional love. i
>hate to say it like that because it sounds arrogant, but as
>years go by i see just how unusual that is. and how scarred
>folks are.

so, u understand love and turn from it?

>
>my parents have those scars, but i don't. sometimes i wonder
>if i'm attracted to those injuries in others because i could
>always see the not-so-happy times behind my parents' smiles?
>maybe i want to "fix" them because i couldn't fix their
>inner children? i don't know.

: isnt trying to fix someone elses shit a great way to not look at what uve got thats broken?

>with me, it's always been about not hurting his feelings.
>about missing out on an "opportunity" if i didn't commit to
>him. like, it could work out, right?

i think almost any relationship *can* work, but only if both people r willing to work on it.

>like i said to seth, i really need to learn selfishness.

im playing the semantics game...i like to call it self-love...

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61. "you're making me think today"
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>>at the end of the day, i'm learning i'm willing to love, but
>>i'm not quite as willing to *teach*. there are certain
>>things you have to come with.
>
>dont u teach, though, by doing? if u come into a situation
>able to do something that ur partner isnt, dont u become a
>teacher of sorts? now, what makes them ur student (or vice
>versa) is a willingness to learn... its the unwilling
>students that drain us.

true. i suppose i'm so sick of being in that position i've become disillusioned by it. even while i understand the lessons in the things that haven't worked and i've grown each time.

on a spiritual level, i'm grateful for the experience/knowledge.

but basically i'm just ready for someone who can teach *me* something. like, impress me, dammit. lol. i'm usually doing the impressing.


>>i'm an oddball because i am--for the most part--a whole,
>>functional human being who understands unconditional love. i
>>hate to say it like that because it sounds arrogant, but as
>>years go by i see just how unusual that is. and how scarred
>>folks are.
>
>so, u understand love and turn from it?

more like i get a lot of things that other people don't because i grew up in what is now considered an unusual situation.

2 parents
not rich, but far from broke
shielded from major issues in the extended fam. home was cool.
encouraged to ask questions, learn, be myself...

i mean, i can remember getting one spanking my entire life, and not 'cause my parents didn't believe in it. my brother caught it all the time...lol. i suppose my unique-ness fueled my parents' treatment of me and vice versa.

i just don't have a lot of the "usual" blk girl issues.

i understand love, so that makes it more difficult to impress me. like, if you're going to really catch me, you have to at least match the love i already know.

maybe that's asking too much?

>>my parents have those scars, but i don't. sometimes i wonder
>>if i'm attracted to those injuries in others because i could
>>always see the not-so-happy times behind my parents' smiles?
>>maybe i want to "fix" them because i couldn't fix their
>>inner children? i don't know.
>
>:
>isnt trying to fix someone elses shit a great way to not
>look at what uve got thats broken?

oh most definitely. i think this was a big thing when i was younger. not so much now.


>>with me, it's always been about not hurting his feelings.
>>about missing out on an "opportunity" if i didn't commit to
>>him. like, it could work out, right?
>
>i think almost any relationship *can* work, but only if both
>people r willing to work on it.
>
>>like i said to seth, i really need to learn selfishness.
>
>im playing the semantics game...i like to call it
>self-love...

hmmm...i think i know what you mean.

selfish is such a 4-letter word to me...it's been really difficult drawing those lines.

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75. "so then we're teaching each other :)"
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>true. i suppose i'm so sick of being in that position i've
>become disillusioned by it. even while i understand the
>lessons in the things that haven't worked and i've grown
>each time.
>
>on a spiritual level, i'm grateful for the >experience/knowledge.
>
>but basically i'm just ready for someone who can teach *me*
>something. like, impress me, dammit. lol. i'm usually doing
>the impressing.

for me, the point of being tired of something is also the point when i just need to rest. ive found that i dont spend enough time still or enough time asking to be filled with what i need. that might be the point for u...to ask for exactly what u want and then to listen for the answer. sometimes, though, the answer isnt exactly what u thought it would be.

>i understand love, so that makes it more difficult to
>impress me. like, if you're going to really catch me, you
>have to at least match the love i already know.
>
>maybe that's asking too much?

i dunno if that's asking to much. but, is there room in that equation for someone to learn to match what u already know? hell, we all come into relationships w/work to do.

>hmmm...i think i know what you mean.
>
>selfish is such a 4-letter word to me...it's been really
>difficult drawing those lines.

drawing lines is hard work...

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78. "you are so right."
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>for me, the point of being tired of something is also the
>point when i just need to rest. ive found that i dont spend
>enough time still or enough time asking to be filled with
>what i need. that might be the point for u...to ask for
>exactly what u want and then to listen for the answer.
>sometimes, though, the answer isnt exactly what u thought it
>would be.

about that...

i think in the earlier part of my life, the "answer" was relationships.

but now i'm thinking that i may just need my freedom. if i'm tied down, that will hamper me in other ways. that was part of coming to terms with the end of my most recent relationship.


>>i understand love, so that makes it more difficult to
>>impress me. like, if you're going to really catch me, you
>>have to at least match the love i already know.
>>
>>maybe that's asking too much?
>
>i dunno if that's asking to much. but, is there room in
>that equation for someone to learn to match what u already
>know? hell, we all come into relationships w/work to do.

definitely. i'm easy, really i am. lol.

i was trying to put things into context rather than sound rigid. once i love someone, i'll fight til the end trying to get on their level or vice versa.


>>hmmm...i think i know what you mean.
>>
>>selfish is such a 4-letter word to me...it's been really
>>difficult drawing those lines.
>
>drawing lines is hard work...

true indeed.


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26. "RE: commitment. (a 25 and over post)"
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I appreciate this post.
I was was friends with husband for 5 years (strictly friends not that friends with benefits stuff) then that line got crossed at the 6 year mark.

Its much easier to cross that line when you know that person well instead of letting the infatuation butterflies in your stomach feeling cloud your judgement. Don't get me wrong, I am still learning things about him everyday and vice versa but there are no squabbles about little stuff (like picking draws up off the floor).

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58. "little things matter."
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that is so easily forgotten.

but what's wrong w/ benefit-havin friends?


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30. "after 27 that boyfriend, girlfriend stuff should cease"
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well for me at least
it didnt make sense to continue to spend long amounts of time with people who I didnt plan to marry
I'm sure that has nothing to do with this post
but that's what the title made me think

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55. "lololol"
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ppl dont hear u bons..

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102. "I guess it's something you have to see yourself?"
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31. "I read the post"
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and the ladies advice is as good for chicks as it is for dudes and the same for the mens advice

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44. "true, but you know"
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gotta know ur audience.

*grin*

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32. "i'm 26, single .."
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and i look to be that way for quite sometime ..
ain't a soul trynna settle down with a wannabe reformed playboy who's about to hit 30 and has old scars.

i'll get a dog.

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33. "in regards to the part before the advice"
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isn't that love?

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34. "nucca I'm 23 and"
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I realized that 3 years ago

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45. "good."
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that should save you some time/effort.

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64. "it did"
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40. "What am I supposed to do with you?"
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>i may well be the woman of your dreams, but that doesn't
>mean you have the foggiest idea of what to do with me.

This'll be good.

one
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46. "i don't have an arrogant bone in my body."
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so you can blast away.

the guys i've dated would tell you i'm a damn good catch.

but all the love in the world couldn't make them ready. and god knows i tried.

that's all i'm saying.


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50. "I'm asking you"
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What are they supposed to do with you?

I've heard this more than once.
"You wouldn't even know what to do with me"
"You couldn't handle this"
"He didn't know what to do with me"

What's a cat supposed to do?


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54. "well"
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understand that i don't need a father (BIG one)

support me emotionally and spiritually. be present. financial security is nice, but not necessary. we can always work on that later. and i'll be ok that way with or without you. your manhood can't be tied up in that.

know yourself.
know love.

if you've recognized the need to spend some time in therapy, hopefully you've done so.

shit like that.

...mostly it seems that being with me reveals the fact that they aren't quite where they want to be. but of course by then everyone's all attached...

it's more like clicking on a flashlight vs. "i'm the shit!"...if that makes sense.

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98. "that is REAL shit"
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some nigga prolly told her that...persued her, and then ran the fuck away like a scared lil bitch......shit has happened to every coo woman ive known......
*poof*


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43. "damn this shit hit home ... got damn"
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"the most important in the whole wide world is and you hardly even know it..."






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49. "you know."
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51. "i may well be the woman of your dreams...."
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but that doesn't mean you have the foggiest idea of what to do with me


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53. "I agree wholeheartedly, unfortunatly when it comes to"
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Going for the here and now, we're constantly being tainted or painted with the golddigger title. I don't know why it is, but sometimes it seems we're culturally bred to 'work with a brother', or 'giving him time to get himself together' rather than going for the brother who is already together; and when we do go for the got it together brother, there has to be some kind of ulterior motive.

Sometimes I think our nurturing role functions as a double edged sword. Our innate nature at times is also used as a crutch. We're always there no matter what.....waiting. So what's the point of anyone trying to get themselves together. They already have us most of the time.

I guess it just how a patriarchal society works.

No, doubt somebody will argue that point. It may not be 'YOUR' truth, but its far from being false.


  

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57. "i'm an emotional golddigger."
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i could care less what you've got in your pocket...long as you've got a job and you're handling your responsibilities, whatever they may be.

but you've got to be stellar emotionally & mentally.

i think it's far easier to find someone who's got it together superficially vs. internally.

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77. "on point sis"
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95. "BINGO LINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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>Going for the here and now, we're constantly being tainted
>or painted with the golddigger title. I don't know why it
>is, but sometimes it seems we're culturally bred to 'work
>with a brother', or 'giving him time to get himself
>together' rather than going for the brother who is already
>together; and when we do go for the got it together brother,
>there has to be some kind of ulterior motive.

you hit the nail on the head with this one.

its like, all i'm attracted to are guys that are not available. be it financially, physically, emotionally. if they aren't available, i want them for some stupid reason.

revelation while typing: i date the unavailable guys because i don't want the dudes that got it together to pick me apart. i'm deathly afraid that they will take issue with something in me/my life and bring me back to 'that place'. but shiiiit. i don't need a dude to bring me there, i have a first class ticket and i'm the pilot.

oh my goodness....

then i get mad/disappointed/hurt when the dudes that were down/not together in the first place can't get up when i think they should be.

wow.




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106. "That's deep"
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But realization is also the beginning of growth. You recognize and now you can move proactively.

  

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107. "Get out of my head!"
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I've never put it into words but that is exactly what's going on. Sad....

If you follow your bliss, you put yourself on a kind of track, which has been there all the while waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living.

  

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133. "i lean towards"
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emotionally unavailable...but just because my first "love" experience had a lot to do with that.

i don't care about him picking me apart. it's more like i just want to love his pain away ('cause usually there's some story behind that unavailability).

so i stay. and love.

but, no more play-therapy for me.

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141. "oh bwoy have i been picked apart."
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i was in a 5yr relationship with someone who tried to literally destroy me. i was 17, forced out of my parents home cuz of him. he was 5 yrs older and my first everything. my parents hated him, so i basically had no one but him. he brought me so far down in life and had no qualms doing it. i battled severe depression. if my family, even though we were estranged, hadnt stepped in in 2001, i would be dead.

so since then, i've been picking up the pieces.

funny how he didnt taint love for me, but he certainly made me susceptible to those who have 'less' than I do just to make sure that i never end up in that position again.

its like i only like men with 'shortfalls' just so i can be 'better' than them and never have to rely on them for anything. its like, i am only attracted to people who i can fix cuz i want someone to fix me.

i'm so confused...




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145. "that's real, though."
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and knowing will help you grow.

i've never had to deal with anything like that...like i said in another post, my relationships weren't *bad* per se....just not quite...right.

so i got to a point where i had to ask, what's really going on?

for me, it's not about superiority...it's about acceptance. about repeating patterns. if i'm good enough, i'll love him out of his problems....

but now i'm accepting that i can't re-raise, force into therapy, erase nightmares, bad luck, or broken hearts. i have a savior complex.

all i can do is allow myself to be myself. and seek out what i need. if that takes me out of the range of 90% of the male population, so be it.

i'm worth it.

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148. "RE: that's real, though."
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>i
>have a savior complex.

BANG. Nailed it.

Let me say, I am a dude that is working through his own savior complex. I look at my own humanness that helps -- like, how the fuck am I gonna have all the answers, I'm just a human being doing the best I can. If I fuck up, I fuck up. The best I can do is realize and be sorry. But I'm not ever going to be perfect. And that certainly removes me from my self-appointed position of life know it all, in a heartbeat!

You know, for awhile its difficult to determine what is helping out and what is being a savior. But I let things happen and when it seems like I can honestly help out without the expectation of a reward, I do so. Giving without expectation of receiving has been helpful too.

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56. "love"
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what i'm learning is that love is way more than being in love. it outlasts that. essentialy being "in love" is infatution.

  

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60. "i think in terms of stages now"
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i'm willing equate that initial "in love" feeling as infatuation...

but when that rush occurs over time, like after you've washed his dirty drawers and adore him anyway, what would you call that?

just plain love?
"true" love?

i dunno. it's all semantics anyway.


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82. "love"
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is more complicated than his dirty draws. i daresay that's simply endearing. love is wanting what's best for him even if it's not inclusive of. love is more than reciprocity and more often than nought in our lives, love is unrequitted. when you find that recipricol love, it becomes about comromise and a committment to weathering the storms together.

  

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63. "good ole infatuation"
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many cant tell the difference btwn that and love

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62. "almost 21 but"
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but i've already made the promise to myself that i'm not going to put up with men who don't mean what they say. even down to stuff like "i'll call you tomorrow" and then they don't call.

i'm ready to be in a long term relationship now, i'm tired of the gray area.

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65. "25..and.."
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I agree about the wariness of "being in love" but the whole philosophy of women seeing the potential and that's why they stay with you for long periods of time bla bla doesn't fly to me. At least not in my experiences.

I can't speak for why women decide to stay with a man aside from the fact that they have an idea of what they think he could be or should be and hope that he becomes that which could explain why some women will stay in abusive relationships. Its more of hope than the man's potential itself. Only few women stay with a man 'cos of that in my opinion.

To the thread opener: What exactly is it that you want a man to do with you?

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66. "never had an abusive relationship"
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>I can't speak for why women decide to stay with a man aside
>from the fact that they have an idea of what they think he
>could be or should be and hope that he becomes that which
>could explain why some women will stay in abusive
>relationships. Its more of hope than the man's potential
>itself. Only few women stay with a man 'cos of that in my
>opinion.

in that sense.
it's a more subtle sense of potential.

like, trying to love the person behind all the shit they're hiding behind.

not enough to be in any way abusive, but just enough to fuck up a relationship.

it's more like, everyone has issues....you just have to figure out what issues you can deal with and which ones you can't. i'm realizing that my bar is set really high when it comes to emotional maturity.

>To the thread opener: What exactly is it that you want a man
>to do with you?

lol @ your phrasing of the question.

see my exchanges with k_orr and phoenix1169 for more background (#54 and #61).

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72. "In response to response #54"
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I see...very interesting on your part. "You talk a good one shorty.." - LL Cool J.

Though I won't lie quite a number of women I met say the same thing you've said only in different ways and diverse manners. So I'd say I've pretty much heard it all before.

Which brings me to my next question. I know being in a r/ship is a 2 way street so what have you gained from being in these r/ships other than what these dudes have gained from being with you in a relationship?

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76. "many things."
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>Which brings me to my next question. I know being in a
>r/ship is a 2 way street so what have you gained from being
>in these r/ships other than what these dudes have gained
>from being with you in a relationship?

i've always attracted very intelligent, caring, loving men.

it's just that for some reason or another something didn't connect. but they all taught me something...about me, about life. in the case of the 3 i've *truly* loved, they all changed me somehow.

any time you love someone, that's an important, beautiful thing.

i think i've had more than my share...some don't love once.





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68. "i'm thinking i need more gray"
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the time i was "supposed" to spend running around, i spent in relationships. and i'm glad i did.

but now that i'm older, i'm thinking, fuck it.

just about everyone around me is married/engaged, has a kid or two, etc. and that's great. but i'm thinking maybe i'm not meant to be tied down that way.

my last relationship was a turning point. if it worked, things would have been abc. if not, then xyz.

i'm reevaluating my approach.

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69. "I go back and forth on this one"
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but i decided to live alone finally and that has changed things in general.

  

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71. "either way"
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5 yrs is a long time.

time's the only thing that will counteract that.

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74. "agreed"
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moving has been easier than expected i guess. so then its more of a matter of deciding what the hell do i want now, which is why its interesting to here the 25 year old women's thoughts, typical or atypical.

  

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84. "i don't think i need any more gray"
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i want someone who wants to be with ME

none of this we're kinda dating bullshit

and there are too many men who talk a good game but really aren't serious. there's one i have in mind right now and he's about to get the axe because he's wasting my time.


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112. "i'm like, fuck it. let him talk."
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>i want someone who wants to be with ME
>
>none of this we're kinda dating bullshit
>
>and there are too many men who talk a good game but really
>aren't serious. there's one i have in mind right now and
>he's about to get the axe because he's wasting my time.

i'll listen...and bat my eyelashes. lol.

if we're not on that level, then we're not. he can keep talking, we can do our thing, and that's that. until one of us gets sick of it.

at that point, either he'll step up, or he won't.

plain and simple.



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67. "OK, so I was just in a relationship for five years"
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taking me right to 25 and it ended. BANG. like that. I mean my early twenties were devoted to a woman who I thought I would spend the rest of my life with. So I get out and think, now what?!?!? People tell me I can meet all types of women, go out and be crazy and all that bullshit. But what I've been finding out is the world out there, in bars clubs, its all fleeting/fading. And part of me, the romantic, wants to meet a girl miraculously on the sidewalk (no not hookers)catch eyes or smiles and what have you to witty conversations like she's Natalie Portman or something.
But that ain't the truth. The truth is exactly what a lot of you are saying. I met her over the past month and its so different than the last time when i was 20. its not so much about future or past or even present. time isn't the factor but i think place is.
hmmm..let me think and elaborate later.

  

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70. "im 25 in 3 months."
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do i count?

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73. "lol...that was just sort of a disclaimer."
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most folks under 23 or so wouldn't know what the hell this was about, that's all.

but i probably would have by 19-21 or so.

so if you can relate, relate. i ain't mad at u.


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79. "word"
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116. "that's all i'm sayin."
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if you need to think about it, do.

if you're on the up & up, more power.

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80. "this is perhaps"
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the best set of words/piece of advice that i've heard in a looooooong while.

thank you for sharing.

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your aura places my in a permanent state of enlightened

... you can't be fuckin serious dawg... (c)

DE DE!!!

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breathe.
smile.
live.
be thankful.
give back.

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81. "at 27, my situation is this:"
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last year, i got out of a relationship that had been going on off and on for three years...

i did the classic girl shit: saw the potential instead of the now. but a man's potential is between himself in his maker, it's not my responsibility...i could support him, but ultimately, i can't be his mother/therapist/college counselor/motivational speaker...i gave the relationship what i could give it and when i realized it couldn't work for me...when all that novelty shit wore off and i could see the real person he was, and i knew myself better, i knew there was no future in it...

so i bounced...

i'm starting 05 off with a wonderful man who's very actualized, mature, self-sufficient and just fucking smart. i'm there too so its kinda like together we're both on some grown shit, in knowing (from experience) that love just ain't this tingly feeling, it's a process and it's WORK...i mean it's time when we're in the trenches tryna get through some issues but we both got that determination to get through 'em...

its funny because i never really got those tingle tingle butterflies/infatuation from him...its like what was said earlier, i liked him, i admired him, i respected him, and it's almost like it skipped falling in love to just love...

but its only been a few months so what do i know? lol

  

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83. "you aint neva lied!"
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love just ain't this tingly feeling, it's a process and it's WORK...i mean it's time when we're in the trenches tryna get through some issues but we both got that determination to get
through 'em...

>its funny because i never really got those tingle tingle
>butterflies/infatuation from him...its like what was said
>earlier, i liked him, i admired him, i respected him, and
>it's almost like it skipped falling in love to just love...

yep!
>but its only been a few months so what do i know? lol

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85. "Dr invisible"
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Bruh, I don't know if you ended the r/ship or she did it doesn't matter I feel where you're coming from.

All around me, my boys esp are just getting married left and right. I'm excited for them 'cos I know its the right time for them but for me I see myself being single for long time..don't know just yet how long but I've gotten used to the whole routine, get the number, call, get to know them thing. It gets old after a while and I'm at a point I'm re-evaluating my relationships with the various women in my life.

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91. "She ended it"
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but it wasn't a bad breakup and made sense to the both of us. but i agree about the reevaluating part. the dating game is frustrating as hell. i have a new girl (friend) in my life. we both now how we feel about each other, know we should take it to the next level and are sort of stuck at that. sort of complicated but this post is exactly the point of things i guess.

  

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87. "the last sentence"
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it seems tho, this is how 'mature' love actually works.

that tingly shit...love is work dawg

  

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118. "work is important."
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and love isn't enough.

i definitely feel you. what you described is really similar to the situation i had to leave alone.

i'm not the bitter type, nor am i angry. i just need some time to recoup, reevaluate, and recharge.

one of these days....*shrug* who knows.

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86. "before i disagree, i agree. this is word"
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self-actualization

blame the dudes.

  

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119. "i mean, there are plenty of 1/2 women out there"
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don't get me wrong.

however, it seems to me that women are socialized in such a way that they can kind of get themselves out of their own mess easier than a man.

they can cry, kick, scream, holler, buy self help books, go to therapy...the stigmas aren't the same.

also: it seems that no matter what kind of situation a woman has grown up in, somewhere along the line, her capacity for *learning* love is different than a man's.

if men are not nurtured emotionally very early on, something breaks. and there's damn near nothing you can do to bring that spark back. women tend to keep trying until they find it.

...and there are exceptions to every rule, y'all, so don't start trippin.


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122. "Interesting point about nuture"
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though i think there are exceptions in the case of males. But yeah the skin grows think fast for most of us. Emotionally inept and emotionally unintelligent.

  

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89. "I appreciate this post..."
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>but basically i'm just ready for someone who can teach *me* something. like, impress me, dammit. lol. i'm usually doing the impressing.

and this comment is the story of my life...

I had to break it off with someone last week, because we are not comapatible for each other as 'partners'. Even though I loved spending time with her, because she is a good companion. We are just oceans apart spiritually and mentally... It would of been like I was 'settling, something I refuse to do.

I am at the point whereas I'm ready to settle down now, and I would cherish 'building' with someone.

But I am most certainly at peace with the posssibility of being single, childless etc

I am enough, I don't need someone or something to complete me...




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90. "Only for the grown and sexy..."
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this is my path too glad im not alone...

  

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92. "i don't qualify for this post."
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i'll be 25 on october 7 of this year

but i thank you for making it. i'm gonna read it.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
is where it gets complicated

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word, i just need some head and a grilled cheese sandwich © scrapluv

brrrrrring . . . dadadada! jeeeZUS! © karas

fryin my fish til it's golden © chrisroc07

thugs are so '90s © deluge

i'm a hateful fellow, but i like her. in fact if i had to choose btw saving a busful of senior citizens or giving marm a coupon for a free scoop of ice cream, thered be a bunch of old people falling off a cliff right about now, but at least shed have her scoop of ice cream.
and thats all im really concerned about. © worms

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120. "oh please. lol."
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i just didn't want some 19 yr old in here with a broken heart yappin about how all women are bitches/all men are dogs.

i know you've been thru the fire, so you're more than qualified.

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93. "can you come tell me this when i feel "alone""
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cuz i'm reading it now and it makes soooo much sense. but when i'm down in the nitty gritty of it, i don't be hearing all this.




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127. "you're never alone."
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you always have you.

i mean, there will always be long nights....

but, well, you know.


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94. "archive"
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* not THAT shiloh
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96. "RE: archive"
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*co-sign*

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97. "preach :)..........."
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........but we need to grow too.....i went through the same bullshit.....until i decided to do some serious self evaluation........*poof*


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99. "best post i've read in a minute"
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-----------------------------------
xxxxxxxx: there are some things about you women like and will give you ass for... your just you you don't make a fuss and you kinda ignore them
xxxxxxxx: so they like that
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velvet1
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100. "i went home with this post on my mind"
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it's left me with much to think about
thank you

nuff said

  

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103. "i read this yesterday"
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i couldn't respond with any intelligence or say anything that hadn't already been said, but the post stayed on my mind.

my last committed relationship was in 1999.
since then, i've done what someone mentioned above-- worked on preparing myself for the best i can be for me, worked on making myself what i consider a whole person.

looking for someone to complete you is romantic nonsense.

but i can't discount the tingles or the blushes or the nervous belly or the way i gush to my girl about him. and i can't discount those things b/c i know who and how i am-- that i don't fall into crush/infatuation/love easily-- which again points back to self-realization and learning to recognize the truth in someone's actions.

people will tell you all you need to know. listen and observe and don't lie to yourself.

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129. "yeah...."
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>but i can't discount the tingles or the blushes or the
>nervous belly or the way i gush to my girl about him. and i
>can't discount those things b/c i know who and how i am--
>that i don't fall into crush/infatuation/love easily-- which
>again points back to self-realization and learning to
>recognize the truth in someone's actions.
>
>people will tell you all you need to know. listen and
>observe and don't lie to yourself.

i think i've fought instinct one too many times.

and i have superb instincts.

but i'm understanding why i'm so willing to do that now...it's helping.

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104. "I agree with this:"
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>i've decided that the next commitment i make will be one
>leading to marriage and/or a long-term bonding of some kind.
>
>i trust respect. i trust non-romantic love, friendship, and
>admiration. i trust like.
>
>all the things that take time.
>
>i don't, however, trust being "in love". not anymore.
>

*nods* Love is something Allah puts between you. I think you gotta use your head going into marriage. too much is at stake not to.


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DJ Unknown: I believe I can outrun a bear.
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105. "Is 25 the settle down age ?"
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Just curious....

I mean is that about the average when a woman wants to take stock of her situation, relationships and evaluate them to see where they are headed

I got a friend who just turned 25 and she is acting like her world is about to come to an end because she has no man... Like she wanted to be married by 28 but that cant happen if she is 25 with no dude

  

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109. "Seems to be in some circles"
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I got a bunch of married friends, mostly suburbanites. In the city, things seems different. I'm not sure why? Myabe we're just cooler.

  

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110. "Yeah this suburbanite i know is ready u here me"
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fishin for that right nigga... she has a good job (lockheed martin) but i think its mostly becomes she wants that american dream..

Nice house
two kids
dog
nice car

Ya know a family

  

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126. "quarter life crisis age."
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it's about a lot of things.

you're out of school
most likely out on your own
you're settling into adulthood, making your own values
you start thinking about what really matters and who you want to be.

it hits hard.

>I got a friend who just turned 25 and she is acting like her
>world is about to come to an end because she has no man...
>Like she wanted to be married by 28 but that cant happen if
>she is 25 with no dude

that's a little different. someone probably put it into her head that she *had* to get married or have a bunch of babies or something. i mean, i still know people whose mamas sent them to college solely for the purpose of finding a husband.

i was never inculcated with that. my mom could care less about grandchildren.

this post was made more in the spirit of "will i find my match?". i can always find a "man".



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128. "RE: quarter life crisis age."
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>it's about a lot of things.
>
>you're out of school
>most likely out on your own
>you're settling into adulthood, making your own values
>you start thinking about what really matters and who you
>want to be.
>
>it hits hard.

correct

>>I got a friend who just turned 25 and she is acting like her
>>world is about to come to an end because she has no man...
>>Like she wanted to be married by 28 but that cant happen if
>>she is 25 with no dude

If u live in the dc area than u know that by 25 most of the sistas here have kids and when everyone is having baby showers i guess u want one too!!!
her
>this post was made more in the spirit of "will i find my
>match?". i can always find a "man".

Of course u will, there is someone for errrbody

  

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131. "hm."
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>If u live in the dc area than u know that by 25 most of the
>sistas here have kids and when everyone is having baby
>showers i guess u want one too!!!

lol...like i said, only if someone told you that's what womanhood was about. or at least a large chunk of it.

folks look @ me like i'm some kind of freak 'cause i'm damn near 27 and don't have any. it almost becomes "what's wrong with her..."

nothing's wrong. i just chose not to go that route. for many reasons.


>>this post was made more in the spirit of "will i find my
>>match?". i can always find a "man".
>
>Of course u will, there is someone for errrbody

well, there are several "someones" for everyone, i think, but that's a whole new conversation.

i'm just wondering if my path is leading towards several "someones" over time, or is all the runaround preparation for that "one"?

i'll keep an open mind.
but for now i'd rather behave as if the latter were true.

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108. "Do females really NEED a man"
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I dont think most fellas think the NEED a woman.... maybe thats something to look at

  

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111. "no"
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but I am glad to have one... sometimes

I mean to procreate the natural way, yes

need a man in general though? of course not

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113. "A LOT of women feel that way.... like it makes their life complete"
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I mean they have to...the way they let some niggas treat them... I this is coming from a MAN

  

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114. "I think companionship and desire for it are natural"
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be it man woman dog fish vegetable or cereal.

  

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115. "I agree"
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but men seem to be able to deal with out it a little better than females.... or maybe i am being biased in my opinion

  

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117. "i think you're right"
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once you been in a long term relationship though, things change. it takes some deprogramming of your brain maybe. but i'm naturally good at being alone. i'm not sure if all men are like that or just me.

  

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123. "we all need each other."
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i mean, love is a need. we're social animals.

if babies aren't held and cuddled, they die. even adults are profoundly affected by touch and companionship.

i think that, especially in this culture, people in general tend to need each other for the wrong things. and that's where it gets messy.

i don't need a man for completion, no. but if one is going to be in my life, he needs to be my partner, my equal. someone i can build a home/life/rapport with.

the catch is, i know that if i never find that one man, i know i can be happy alone. or with several men.

it's a continuum.

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135. "i know i do"
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not like if i don't have one, i'ma die, but if i went years and years without some male companionship, i'm subject to go crazy for real

  

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121. "wow."
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ain't that the truth Ruth.

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125. "I got u"
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130. "monogamy is for suckas."
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heh. psych.

no, but for real...

people confuse "commitment" with "stay with him, even if it's not working, because everyone says relationships are work, and if u put the work in, that's being committed. never mind that the longer u're together, the more obvious it becomes that u are very different people with very different agendas who want nothing more than for the other party to change and get with *your* program."

and people confuse "compromise" with "change for him now and it'll pay off later."

it never pays off. u never actually change. & in the end, u feel like u've wasted a really large chunk of your time.

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134. "we all want super relationships.."
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i'll post on that tomorrow



  

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136. "now that is true"
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137. "the problem with me has been"
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i've been so bent on making it super for THEM that i forgot about ME in some very important ways.

i've never really had a "bad" relationship

just ones that weren't what i needed them to be.

started to wonder, why am i coming up *just short* of fantastic?

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138. "this is me."
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we're =here.=

i just ended a 3.5-year relationship because it finally sunk in that i was obsessed with making it wonderful for *him.* and i was constantly losing out.

in the mundane, day to day existence sense, he and i were good together. cooperative, helpful, enjoying each other's company.

but when something potentially groundbreaking was on the horizon for me, he'd always try to undermine it. and when something groundbreaking happened for him, i'd be right there, with a pick axe tilling the land with him.

not cool.

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140. "ohhh yeah."
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i know what you mean.

but i'm getting smarter by the day.

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139. "can you here me amen-ing this post from atlanta?????"
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no really.





no.








really.

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142. "like i'd put this post on a baby tee"
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excuse me cuz this was damn relavant for my 2004.

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143. "lol...i'm just tryin"
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to get it right, i guess.

i started off with a full deck...now i just have to get it in order, nahmean?

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144. "you have no idea how apropos your words are..."
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at least i know i aint alone.

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146. "i have to start believing my own hype."
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and stop dumbing myself down for the pleasure of the masses.

i've finally realized that, in order to attract a man who *knows* he's stellar and doesn't just give off the appearance, i will have to accept and embrace my own stellar-ness.

i'm different.
and that's ok.

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147. "*up*"
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I'm loving this post

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149. "bravo and exactly"
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I've found myself too many times looking at what a brother will be instead of who he is. And half the time he hasn't a clue. At the same time, I'm finding me and liking it more every day, gaining confidence in who I am as a grown ass woman.

Nothing's better than a man who is absolutely true to himself. Even if we don't see eye to eye and there may be things I don't like or understand.

"Slaves have options. There's escape, revolt, or death. But for cowards, there's only consequences..."--from Passing Strange

  

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150. "excellent post"
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