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"cornball rap producer teaches cornball class at elitist racist cornball ..."
Fri Apr-04-14 08:21 AM by InKast

          

University.

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/04/298787212/hip-hop-academy-inside-a-beatmakers-harvard-class

9th wonders semester assignment: make a definitive list of classic rap albums.

And let me guess, this jackass is gonna decide what is and what ain't classic. Foh. Cornball ass nigga.

I didn't like it when Bun B did similar shit at SMU or Texas Tech or wherever the fuck he did it. And I damn sure don't like this.

  

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if you wouldn't call him a cornball to his face
Apr 04th 2014
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first off, we call celebs all sorts of shit on private and online that
Apr 04th 2014
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i wouldn't call HIM a cornball but i'd say that class was CAF to his fac...
Apr 04th 2014
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that's entirely different.
Apr 04th 2014
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i'd call you a cornball to your face btw
Apr 04th 2014
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that's cute.
Apr 04th 2014
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      like your purse?
Apr 04th 2014
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Ugh, fan boy. Do u do this for every artist that's bashed on here?
Apr 04th 2014
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      lol damn
Apr 04th 2014
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www.indeed.com
Apr 04th 2014
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lol, this does sound lame as shit
Apr 04th 2014
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THATS WHAT IM SAYIN...
Apr 04th 2014
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but it's geared towards those young bucks that don't know
Apr 04th 2014
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      True. I have no hate, I just wouldn't attend
Apr 04th 2014
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           why? Because you are the expert?
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           Personally, I'd rather be doing than sitting around talking about doing
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           i feel you...wouldn't be a bad elective to take though
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Damn...did he steal your cousin or something folk??
Apr 04th 2014
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RE: Damn...did he steal your cousin or something folk??
Apr 04th 2014
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well played
Apr 04th 2014
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damn chinese niggas ran up on them good seats quick
Apr 04th 2014
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this post and the pov of the OP is exactly where hiphop went wrong
Apr 04th 2014
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Hip Hop went wrong when it allowed record labels to dictate content
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      a lot of people don't support that shit tho...
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      most of the gold, platinum and multi-plat albums say otherwise
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      did you read this part?
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      where did I say people didn't buy albums catered to the masses?
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      isnt it a shame? (the ppl that refuse to pay for it)
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      Good hip-hop was a tactical mistake of the record labels
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what's wrong with it?
Apr 04th 2014
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he represents himself as a difinitive voice...
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      nigga...that is the objective of all music media
Apr 04th 2014
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      Wait... there was a class about Jay-Z and Kanye West?
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      it makes me mad cause I (and a bunch of other niggas) know enough
Apr 04th 2014
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           so since you have a "solid opinion on the subject"
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      sounds like a class to me.
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           apparently being an expert
Apr 04th 2014
After reading it does sound corny. I don't think the process deserves
Apr 04th 2014
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off all the shit you can be mad about on earth...
Apr 04th 2014
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Remember back when rappers didnt NEED to be validated
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      I agree, but I don't think this is based on a NEED to be validated
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Just put shit down like soulja boy, vanilla ice
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That first soulja boy album
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      Soulja Boy made me realize that I was "old"
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           I mean I wouldn't buy a album
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           that brand of music was popular and out in our time too
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                Come on baybeeeee Kick those Day-zeeeeees
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                funny how they dont remember those times and that music
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                IKR.. we always had those corny/fun dance records
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                ALWAYS. but those that supported the art/culture got lazy
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                And? I didn't like that shit either
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                     lazy ears because you dont seek out what you DO like
Apr 04th 2014
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                          In terms of hip hop, I'll agree with that (lazy, but not the ears)
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                               i (briefly) stopped in 2000, picked it back up in 2004
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open apple f cousin ...
Apr 04th 2014
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bring something to the table? get called a cornball
Apr 04th 2014
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That's a shitty argument
Apr 04th 2014
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sure, but that 'cornball' shit is some dismissive shit, ask Questlove
Apr 04th 2014
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      Sometimes quest is s cornball
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RE: bring something to the table? get called a cornball
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      when they ask what happened to hiphop, look in the mirror
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      when they ask what made hip hop great
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           who have you supported in the last 5 years?
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      nah... that's bullshit
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           you couldnt be any more wrong, you could try
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                cmon fam.. don't make me embarass you on here
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                     What the fuck are you talking about?
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                          but I'm supposed to be impressed because you bought
Apr 04th 2014
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You mad testy lately.
Apr 04th 2014
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When did Inkast get to be so tough?
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Joey Badass didn't know who Jeru the Damaja was until Pete Rosenberg
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I DONT WANNA HEAR NONE OF THAT SHIT!
Apr 04th 2014
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Would Pete Rosenberg be able to put a nigga on to that first
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      ^^^damnn
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i know one former okposter must be lurking
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1st, you mad late. he was doing this years ago at NC Central
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thats all they do is 'shit on' and give lip service. they dnt support sh...
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I'm not even sure what he's so mad at about this... n/m
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I dont care who you are, aint no niggas opinion on the greatest rap albu...
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      If you think Harvard/Duke students uncritically believe their profs...
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      you tell me how a person who is a novice at rap music
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           I get the impression you've never actually taken one of these classes
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           RE: I get the impression he's never actually taken any classes
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           wow
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           ... no snark, but do you know how college arts classes work?
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           yes i have. all those classes had required reading/watching/listening
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                I fail to see any problem here. At all.
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                     that shit might work for a subject i dont know shit about
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                          Calling professors on possible bullshit is part of academia.
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                          You don't think Harvard has some students who know hip-hop?
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           you've never had a debate with a teacher or professor?
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                all the time.... about things they dictate we discuss
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      ....lip service
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      this is dumb and anti-academic. aything u just wrote.
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           this is about cultural gate keeping
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                You couldn't be wronger if you tried.
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                     you do understand that when the class is ignorant of the subject matter
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                          Harvard students don't blindly buy into professorial statement.
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                               when theyre given only part of the story
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                                    And where is the problem?
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Credibility. He has it nm.
Apr 04th 2014
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You yourself should enroll in some courses
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^ Damn, my man said how a nigga given plasma to eat gonna tell
Apr 04th 2014
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      My Man said you need two aliases if you gonna...
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      Lol
Apr 04th 2014
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aint you half white tho?
Apr 04th 2014
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did anyone listen to the segment
Apr 04th 2014
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Seriously, Fam! How can anyone hate on this? Why?
Apr 04th 2014
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because black music is like crabs in a barrel
Apr 04th 2014
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this okp, mayne. nm
Apr 04th 2014
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agreed...hiphop being studied at Harvard is a win for all of us
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For sure. And they are studying the Golden Age of Hiphop.
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this nigga creative passion is taking creepy pics of big girls
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Did you just confuse me with that Sinbad lookin ass nigga?
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      lol
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      *tupac*
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Because okayplayer
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baby gotta eat.
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DESCRIPTION OF THE COURSE...
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RE: DESCRIPTION OF THE COURSE...
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did you also take a class on rock and roll that excluded guitars?
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      There's nothing to be done with you. You're aggressively dumb.
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           aggressively dumb is the perfect description
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           you keep them wack analogies coming
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i just backspaced, crazy. anyway, of COURSE he would
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      ok, i respect this argument, im gonna stand down...
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      cool. i'm all the more glad i didn't say anything disrespectful or
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      Great Points!
Apr 04th 2014
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      These are all great individual points.
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      RE: i just backspaced, crazy. anyway, of COURSE he would
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      ^^^
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lol y the fuk yal in here arguing with this character
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it's Friday, and we ain't got shit to do
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      A message bored debate.
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9th is hardly corny
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this is how art history/criticism classes work
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we have to go to a white man to tell us about the history of jazz
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      and the gems keep right on coming
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How did I know from the post title that this was about 9th Wonder?
Apr 04th 2014
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Too early to call for an Archive?
Apr 04th 2014
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absolutely not lol
Apr 04th 2014
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This post and replies are need deletion, what a shitty post
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This is a classic case of Poster vs. Actual Post
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more on the Bun B class... its better
Apr 05th 2014
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I swear he did this years ago.
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your'e a cornball
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Fuck you
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1. "if you wouldn't call him a cornball to his face"
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(and we know you wouldn't because you're you)

why would you call him one online?

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2. "first off, we call celebs all sorts of shit on private and online that"
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We wouldnt say to they face. Second of all... I'm not so sure I wouldn't call that nigga a cornball. Who the fuck is this nigga to decide what is and what ain't classic.

  

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15. "i wouldn't call HIM a cornball but i'd say that class was CAF to his fac..."
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and give my reasoning for my thoughts accordingly

  

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77. "i'd call you a cornball to your face btw"
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and some other shit too

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130. "Ugh, fan boy. Do u do this for every artist that's bashed on here?"
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3. "www.indeed.com"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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4. "lol, this does sound lame as shit"
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Probably cool for a dude that ain't grow up in it, like how most Harvard students are (look at that picture).

I wouldn't sit through this shit tho. I kinda agree with Kast here. The first time dude pulls out a Roy Ayers records and acts like he's putting us up on some shit I'd have to bounce.

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5. "THATS WHAT IM SAYIN..."
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And I ain't even no super rap fan anymore, but from the years 1989 - 2004 rap was some everyday shit... Especially in high school! So the minute that nigga says somethin I disagree with. I'm gone do what us niggas did in high school and just blurt out "nigga you crazy, that shit was overrated!". The fuck that nigga gone teach me!

  

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8. "but it's geared towards those young bucks that don't know"
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it works that much better at Harvard for that reason as well...he really is putting them on to some shit

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10. "True. I have no hate, I just wouldn't attend"
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13. "why? Because you are the expert? "
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what's wrong with sitting around debating/teaching about hip hop?

  

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17. "Personally, I'd rather be doing than sitting around talking about doing"
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I'd rather innovate, than sit around talking about some other people's innovations.

That's me tho. And I'm not an expert, but I spent 100s of hours with my records, my ASR & MPC to know a lot about certain things.

Like I said, if some folks find enjoyment and enlightenment from it, then cool. As for me, I'd pass even if it was a free class.


Edit: If it was *just* about sampling, then I'd have a different view. All the talk about "hip hop" like it's some magical dragon like Mos said is off-putting. And lines like this don't help:

>At the film's outset, 9th confesses it was an unlikely scenario,
>"Nobody from hip hop was supposed to go to Harvard without a degree,"
>he says. "Nobody. To do anything."

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7. "damn chinese niggas ran up on them good seats quick"
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nigga got his tape recorder out and all that
i kind of think teaching hip hop classes are corny too since it could be used to feed the culture vultures
but it's a nice look and presumably a nice check for the artists who teach the class i guess so i don't blame em

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9. "this post and the pov of the OP is exactly where hiphop went wrong"
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12. "Hip Hop went wrong when it allowed record labels to dictate content"
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Everyone became thugs and gangsters overnight. The people still supported that shit tho.

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16. "a lot of people don't support that shit tho... "
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"some" people let the record labels dictate but that goes for any genre. The people with big money will have the most influence due to controlling the airwaves.

However, a lot of good hip hop is still being produced and we have it at our fingertips online... and we still refuse to pay full price for good product.

  

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18. "most of the gold, platinum and multi-plat albums say otherwise"
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25. "did you read this part?"
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However, a lot of good hip hop is still being produced and we have it at our fingertips online... and we still refuse to pay full price for good product.

  

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28. "where did I say people didn't buy albums catered to the masses?"
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300 million people in America and you are talking about people selling 2 mill... or 5 mill.

  

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23. "isnt it a shame? (the ppl that refuse to pay for it)"
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ive heard some horrible excuses

the absolute worst was "i told plenty of people how good it was and how much i liked it so we're even"

i can remember buying 'MJB -- My Life' 7 times due to my copy being stolen

we live in a time today where people will buy an album for that one song
but download their favorite albums over and over

makes no sense

  

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51. "Good hip-hop was a tactical mistake of the record labels"
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Record Labels didn't really ruin hip-hop. Most of what we consider "Good Hip-hop" was born out of a hip-hop bubble in which big labels were scrambling to find the next big thing in hip-hop and throwing money at their hip-hop labels and allowing them to throw anything against the wall to see what sticks.


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11. "what's wrong with it? "
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It's the Lesson in a classroom..






...oh wait.


  

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19. "he represents himself as a difinitive voice..."
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Now no doubt he's an expert, and he can walk the talk, he's built a solid career. But that dont really mean shit. It's a million niggas that's experts, shit,most niggas that post here is probably just as qualified to teach this class.. and I'd argue with everyone of yall niggas if you put a wack album in your top ten classics.

  

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21. "nigga...that is the objective of all music media"
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to be seen as an authority or definitive voice.

I just don't understand why this makes you so mad.

Were you mad when the dude did the class about jay-z and kanye west?

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24. "Wait... there was a class about Jay-Z and Kanye West?"
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>Were you mad when the dude did the class about jay-z and kanye
>west?

If so, WTF? Academia is really for people that aren't trying to do shit but talk about shit. I'm not spending my TUITION money on that shit.

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31. "it makes me mad cause I (and a bunch of other niggas) know enough"
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To have formed a solid opinion on the subject. Enough to call that nigga out if we disagree. He teaching rap music not literature of ancient India or some shit. It's pop culture for god sake. Now if he was teaching strictly an origins class that would be different.

  

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32. "so since you have a "solid opinion on the subject""
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you couldn't possibly learn anything?

this explains a lot.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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26. "sounds like a class to me."
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every professor comes across like he is an "expert" in his field IMO.

  

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"apparently being an expert"


          

disqualifies you from teaching.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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14. "After reading it does sound corny. I don't think the process deserves"
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that much weight in determining what is great and what isn't. At least not so much that you're actually assigning a grade to the process. It's about how the finished product sounds, how it feels when you put it all together. But as evidenced by my username, once upon a time I would have been excited a course like this. I think the course would immediately be more credible if you remove all the talk about "classic" albums. Just make the class all about the art of sampling.

  

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20. "off all the shit you can be mad about on earth..."
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You decide to be mad about a hiphop producer having hiphop be validated with white american cultural relevance in an elite university's classroom?

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27. "Remember back when rappers didnt NEED to be validated"
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By white culture? I do, course that was years ago when shit was still a counter culture. That officially ended when 2pac got shot, at least that's my observation.... Hell, I should teach a class!

  

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39. "I agree, but I don't think this is based on a NEED to be validated"
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Its just cool that we can cover this many bases as a culture.

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22. "Just put shit down like soulja boy, vanilla ice"
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And young joc

Then look at him like and what???

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30. "That first soulja boy album"
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Kind of was a classic...tell me them beats wasn't hitting and bein played in the club?

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36. "Soulja Boy made me realize that I was "old""
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I knew it before Soulja Boy came out, as I already had started drifting away from certain things. Once this dude came out with that superman song and people liked it, I knew there was no going back for me. The was NO redeeming quality about any of this dude's music. It was (and still is) all garbage to me. The fact that it was so popular only helped to reinforce that these kids don't have the same ears that I do.

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37. "I mean I wouldn't buy a album"
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But hearing that shit un the club or at college parties...she got a donk!

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38. "that brand of music was popular and out in our time too"
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stop blaming you're lazy ears on being 'old'

  

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41. "Come on baybeeeee Kick those Day-zeeeeees"
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Scruuuuuub da ground
Scruuuuuub da ground



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42. "funny how they dont remember those times and that music"
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up next is
but but but the south killed hiphop

when the south is doing what the south has ALWAYS fucking done

  

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44. "IKR.. we always had those corny/fun dance records"
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49. "ALWAYS. but those that supported the art/culture got lazy"
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and wanna blame that shit on age

them Soulja Boy fans have no problems supporting him every way they can

we wont do the same then complain that shit changed

  

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53. "And? I didn't like that shit either"
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"Lazy ears" because I don't like something? lol and FOH.

On the real, it seems like I'm the type that actually has an opinion about shit and sticks to it, and apparently you get offended by other people's opinions. What kind of soft shit is that yo?

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62. "lazy ears because you dont seek out what you DO like"
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instead, looking at what you dont like and grabbing a bullhorn and blaming youth like its new

  

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127. "In terms of hip hop, I'll agree with that (lazy, but not the ears)"
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I stopped *actively* seeking out new hip hop artists after 1999/2000. I didn't just become lazy tho, I quit.

I'm a crate digger, but I only really cop jazz, soul, funk, latin, dicso, house, etc. I put a lot of work in finding new music. Digging through crates of dusty & moldy records looking for something new (to me). I don't do this for hip hop.

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138. "i (briefly) stopped in 2000, picked it back up in 2004"
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i quickly learned it wasnt the youth
it was me

once i turned off the radio and figured out who to look for it was easy to find

  

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33. "open apple f cousin ..."
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35. "bring something to the table? get called a cornball"
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sell sex, violence, and self hate
make millions

and this isnt just about 9th wonder or this class
but fools like you so quick to take a glance at what YOU dont like about hiphop and call it corny

im tired of your type

its hurt the art

hurt the culture

  

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40. "That's a shitty argument "
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They can both be bad

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43. "sure, but that 'cornball' shit is some dismissive shit, ask Questlove"
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48. "Sometimes quest is s cornball"
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45. "RE: bring something to the table? get called a cornball"
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nigga FOH. 9th wonder teaching a class on rap is like Professor Griff teaching Black studies.


>sell sex, violence, and self hate
>make millions

Content ain't got shit to do with corniness

>and this isnt just about 9th wonder or this class
>but fools like you so quick to take a glance at what YOU dont
>like about hiphop and call it corny

Me and EVERY nigga that's ever had a discussion about hip hop since its fucking origins, calling shit wack without regard is part of hip hop... It's right up there with graffitii believe.
>
>im tired of your type

My type been around forever

>its hurt the art

Wrong, it helps the art

>hurt the culture

It keeps the culture honest.

  

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46. "when they ask what happened to hiphop, look in the mirror"
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54. "when they ask what made hip hop great"
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I'll look in mirror. Me and every nigga like me that paid the local record store owner an extra $5 to get Ridin Dirty, Illmatic, Coming Out Hard, Picture This, E.1999, etc etc. a week early, so we could be the first on the block to have it.... And then argue about how wack/dope it was with other niggas.

  

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60. "who have you supported in the last 5 years?"
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47. "nah... that's bullshit"
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I used to be like you in college. Elitist who hated every popular hip hop song and spent nights debating Biggie vs Organized Konfusion or some bullshit.

You want hip hop to stay in your lane and only go by your standards.

It's bigger than you...

  

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61. "you couldnt be any more wrong, you could try"
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but you wouldnt be successful.

I'm a nigga that remembers when OutKast was booed at the fucking Source Awards. I was bumping 400 degreez when "elitist" internet muthafuckas was calling it wack. To this day "Po Pump" is still top 5 on my ultimate ridin songs.

I ain't about niggas staying in a lane or listening to one genre. I'm bout niggas not making shitty music.

  

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87. "cmon fam.. don't make me embarass you on here"
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You talking about buying records. Nigga, I risked my rent and my tuition money throwing shows in VA.


Black Star
Heiro
Jean Grey
Dan the Automator
Jeru
Breezly Brewin & Sha
Mr. Lif
Bobbito

While you were buying there albums I was
standing next to these guys having debates
about music.











  

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89. "What the fuck are you talking about?"
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I don't give a fuck who you hung out with... I'm talking about being a gotdam fan. You talking bout playing video games with a bunch of niggas whose music I don't really give a shit about. If you like em cool, but who is that supposed to impress?

  

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107. "but I'm supposed to be impressed because you bought "
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a few albums..

OK bruh, you got the juice fam

  

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50. "You mad testy lately."
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legato, staccato, andante, forte, fortissimo, piano, allegro, presto.

  

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56. "When did Inkast get to be so tough?"
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I remember when he was having anxiety attacks and wondering if he'd ever touch a woman.

  

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52. "Joey Badass didn't know who Jeru the Damaja was until Pete Rosenberg"
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put him on to him recently (via the Pete Rosenberg profile in this month's New Yorker).

What is second nature to us needs to be taught to yhounger generations who didn't grow up in it.

This class will the people who are supporting hip-hop in 25 years when, like Jazz, you will have to go to Blue Note like hip-hop clubs to hear it.

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55. "I DONT WANNA HEAR NONE OF THAT SHIT!"
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69. "Would Pete Rosenberg be able to put a nigga on to that first"
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Tela album? What about Young Bleed?

See what I'm saying? This ain't about generations as much as it is niggas trying to pass off shit they like as the ONLY shit worthy of being passed on.

  

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140. "^^^damnn "
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57. "i know one former okposter must be lurking "
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& feeling tormented by how this thread is going.

things done changed.

  

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58. "1st, you mad late. he was doing this years ago at NC Central"
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and been doing it at Duke for a minute. (i think he also did some shit w/ Harvard as well).

2nd, you wrong, and backward af. if you've ever heard 9th speak on hip hop he knows a LOT about the history. really of black music. he's like a mini-quest (no dis intended). he has also been recognized as a major creative figure in hip hop (he's done critically acclaimed shit for underground groups as well as mainstream artists).

3rd, it has certainly been about time for hip hop to get the academic treatment. when it's someone like Michael Eric Dyson, who got love for the music but isn't necessarily grounded in it, we shit on them. and then if someone who HAS put in work, and has demonstrated depth in the subject matter AS WeLL AS ability to translate that to the broader culture (i'ma throw bun b in that, although i didn't see anything about that), we shitting on that, too? really?

4th, are you shitting on the cited assignment? there's any number of cats on this board who could create a very detailed, well-reasoned and yes, scholarly rationale for a selection of a list, although that is a quintessentially lessony ass thing to do. but if it is a way to get kids to engage with the culture, think critically, and support their arguments, using the 'top x' trope as a starting point? what's wrong with that?

y'll too cool for school ass niggas are really too much, sometimes.

if this ain't your lane, fine. but what 9th is doing is important.

also, i HATE duke (or, at least duke bball which seems to embody the school). however, duke also has folks like Mark Anthony Neal (with whom, by the way, 9th frequently collaborates).

duke also had, for many years, Dr John Hope Franklin, one of the nations most accomplished historians and the preeminent chronicler of the african american experience.

this is a really dumb poast.




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63. "thats all they do is 'shit on' and give lip service. they dnt support sh..."
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65. "I'm not even sure what he's so mad at about this... n/m"
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66. "I dont care who you are, aint no niggas opinion on the greatest rap albu..."
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Or greatest rapper more expert than mine. Ans if I put Ridin Dirty in my top ten and some so called hip hop professor disagrees for whatever reason, there gone be a problem. Same as if I got 2pac and scarface in my top rapper list, and some expert rap nigga don't agree... You know what? THEY WRONG AND I'M RIGHT!! You know why? Cause all the shit is subjective and we all bring our own biases and personal experiences to the shit. I don't need no nigga at Harvard to validate my culture. And I don't need no nigga at Harvard to try to pass off his personal opinion as the end all, definitive list on some naive novices who will uncritically believe whatever the fuck he tells them. Foh. That shit is bad for hip hop. It shrinks the parameters instead of widening them

  

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67. "If you think Harvard/Duke students uncritically believe their profs..."
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And I don't need no nigga at Harvard to try to pass
>off his personal opinion as the end all, definitive list on
>some naive novices who will uncritically believe whatever the
>fuck he tells them. Foh. That shit is bad for hip hop. It
>shrinks the parameters instead of widening them

... then you don't know how schools like Harvard and Duke work.

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75. "you tell me how a person who is a novice at rap music"
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Gonna gain enough insight into the shit to challenge their professor who is well versed and makes a living on this shit? You tell me how a muthafucka can develop an ear for the subtleties of the music in a fucking semester? I'd really love to know.

  

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83. "I get the impression you've never actually taken one of these classes"
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I took Deconstruction of Hip-Hop at University of Nebraska-Omaha with Dr. Omowale Akintunde and while it was super fun to be the dude that could break down Three 6 Mafia's mid-90s career as a result of that era's overall obsession with b-movie horror films and slasher flicks like Scream immediately, but there were PLENTY of people, black and white, who were getting put onto to game and then flipping that game back around.


If a Hip-Hop class is being taught right, it's really a sociology class filtered through the lens of music. And (I assume) you know everybody in a sociology/psych class is argumentative as fuck; it's no different here.

Honestly I'm confused why you're acting like a college classroom, especially at HARVARD, is some kind of dictatorship. I'm sure someone could say Mickey Avalon's album was the greatest rap album ever and if it were well-reasoned/properly academia'd the fuck out, 9th couldn't rail road it. At least if he's teaching a real class.


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92. "RE: I get the impression he's never actually taken any classes"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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136. "wow"
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>If a Hip-Hop class is being taught right, it's really a
>sociology class

  

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Frank Longo
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84. "... no snark, but do you know how college arts classes work?"
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>Gonna gain enough insight into the shit to challenge their
>professor who is well versed and makes a living on this shit?
>You tell me how a muthafucka can develop an ear for the
>subtleties of the music in a fucking semester? I'd really love
>to know.

Exposure to new things, forming an opinion, and then using historical and technological research, alongside one's own subjective predilections, to justify one's opinion in an intelligent manner. This is literally the foundation of every college arts class ever.

And I highly highly highly doubt that Ninth Wonder would continue to get work as a professor at upper-echelon schools if he just lorded over them all proclaiming them wrong like a douchebag if they disagree. A good arts professor will argue if he/she thinks a student is wrong but will back up his/her argument and respectfully listen to the other side. I argued with my film and theater professors all the time, and sometimes they agreed to disagree after showing me their own side of the coin. One of the best debates I ever had was with a professor over the final hour of Judd Apatow's Funny People. It happens.

Plus, you know, I know people who took Ninth Wonder's class, and none of them thought he was a douche at all. So there's also that.

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91. "yes i have. all those classes had required reading/watching/listening"
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The professor sets the syllabus. The professor sets the parameters of what is and ain't discussed based upon the required shit.

  

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98. "I fail to see any problem here. At all."
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>The professor sets the syllabus. The professor sets the
>parameters of what is and ain't discussed based upon the
>required shit.

Unless you have a problem with arts education on the whole, there's nothing differentiating his class from any other arts class.

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102. "that shit might work for a subject i dont know shit about"
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Poetry of ancient India or some shit... Yea, I ain't got enough knowledge of the subject to challenge the professor. But rap music is pop culture, its been pop culture for a hot minute. I'm a former hardcore fan of the shit. I have a well developed ear. This is why I'm against pop culture in academia in general.... It's too easy to call professors on they bullshit.

  

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113. "Calling professors on possible bullshit is part of academia."
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This is why I'm against pop culture in academia
>in general.... It's too easy to call professors on they
>bullshit.

You're part of it if you're doing that. One may also say that it's the precise point of classes like this: teachers teach what they know, encourage students to research further, and students return with their own formulated opinions, occasionally contradictory to those of the professor.

This is how college arts classes work. Which, again, leads me to wonder if you've taken one. No offense. It's just literally the foundation of college arts. Blind professor-worship does not work in college arts, and I've never had a professor who has encouraged it.

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146. "You don't think Harvard has some students who know hip-hop?"
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You doubt that there are going to be students who sign up for the class solely to go toe-to-toe w/ 9th on this subject?

Why do you assume 9th is gonna be on some bullshit? Why would't he allow for open and honest debate? Also, do you seriously doubt his expertise? You're really gonna make that argument?

Isn't he from NC? You don't think he grew up listening to a range of different shit including some W. Coast rappers (W. Coast got a lot of play down south in the era he grew up).

You're bringing mad baggage into the post. You sound mad jealous, and petty. Or you're just trolling, as usual.

>Poetry of ancient India or some shit... Yea, I ain't got
>enough knowledge of the subject to challenge the professor.
>But rap music is pop culture, its been pop culture for a hot
>minute. I'm a former hardcore fan of the shit. I have a well
>developed ear. This is why I'm against pop culture in academia
>in general.... It's too easy to call professors on they
>bullshit.

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86. "you've never had a debate with a teacher or professor?"
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95. "all the time.... about things they dictate we discuss"
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About theme, plot, subject matter etc etc of shit that's being discussed. But I've never said to a professor "that's not worthy of discussion, this is..." Or "let's not talk about Death of a Salesman, that shit is way overrated, we need to be talking bout The Glass Menagerie..."

That's what I'd do it a class on rap, especially if the semester assignment was to make a definitive list of best albums ever.

  

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68. "....lip service"
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74. "this is dumb and anti-academic. aything u just wrote. "
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>Or greatest rapper more expert than mine. Ans if I put Ridin
>Dirty in my top ten and some so called hip hop professor
>disagrees for whatever reason, there gone be a problem.

where in the snippet you posted did it say that 9th was doing that? granted, IARATS, but it lookeded to me like he gave an assignment for kids to do their OWN lists, and support it. that is just another flavor of assignments that teachers give students every day. give me your opinion and justify it. only in this case, the opinion is based around something that is as seemingly simple as a 'top n' list (songs, producers, albums, beats, whatever).

Same
>as if I got 2pac and scarface in my top rapper list, and some
>expert rap nigga don't agree... You know what? THEY WRONG AND
>I'M RIGHT!! You know why? Cause all the shit is subjective
>and we all bring our own biases and personal experiences to
>the shit. I don't need no nigga at Harvard to validate my
>culture. And I don't need no nigga at Harvard to try to pass
>off his personal opinion as the end all, definitive list on
>some naive novices who will uncritically believe whatever the
>fuck he tells them. Foh. That shit is bad for hip hop. It
>shrinks the parameters instead of widening them

did you read two words of what the class was about before flying off on this rant and forming this opinion? iont see where you backed up your thesis... F.

if this was Lil Wayne teaching at Southern University (fine school, no shade, only picked it for the La), would that be better?

will the professor's opinions form and give weight to the subject matter, and the students' take on things? prolly. but no more or less than in any other non science/math class. ur job as a student is to weed through that and take the best part. and use the academic tools you gain to form and bolster your own opinion.

i imagine if you took that class and wanted to put together the most (whateverthefuckyouareinto) list of music but could cogently articulate and defend it, you'd do well.

when i was in college i took Jazz as a Cultural Art Form and Blues as a Cultural Art form (AASP 301 and 303, respectively, iirc). those were by far the best classes i took during my time there. and those have impacted me far more than any other classes i took.

i imagine there *could* have been some hatin ass dudes salty because my professor, the late, great J Otis Williams, big upped "Son" House or Howling Wolf or Ma Rainey instead of Porkbelly Peterson or some other random ass blues ni&&a who really kept it 1920 and did his thing for the unpaved streets.




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85. "this is about cultural gate keeping"
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I listened to the piece, its an entire class assignment. Did you listen to his criteria? Influence, sound, standing the test of time etc.... The class (a bunch of novices) are gonna decide the greatest albums ever, under the guidance of this nigga. FOH. These people ain't got no ear for shit. It takes years to develop that shit... They just gonna end up parroting what this nigga say and eventually adopting his biases.

THIS SHIT IS NOT GOOD FOR HIP HOP. I'm sorry but once Harvard or any other white institution gets hold of black culture its a wrap. They gone start dictating what is and what ain't auth entic with the help of negro with good intentions. 9th wonder is the new Wynton Marsalis.... And the white dude that made the movie is his Ken Burns. Black folks need Ken Burns to tell us about Jazz. Soon we gone need a Ken Burns to tell us about rap.

  

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100. "You couldn't be wronger if you tried."
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They just gonna end up parroting
>what this nigga say and eventually adopting his biases.

THIS IS NOT HOW HIGHER EDUCATION ARTS CLASSES WORK AT ALL. AT ALL AT ALL AT ALL.

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104. "you do understand that when the class is ignorant of the subject matter"
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The professor holds considerable power in shaping the ideas of the class, you get that right?

  

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112. "Harvard students don't blindly buy into professorial statement."
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They use what they are given to formulate their own views on the matter.

For other examples of this, see: every college arts class at every college ever.

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116. "when theyre given only part of the story"
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And then told to extrapolate from that what do you think they will do? I don't care if you're a Harvard student or a fucking rocket scientist. You will be influenced by the professor if you have no pre history with the subject matter.

It's like me taking a class on Chinese classical music... I don't know the good shit from the garbage so I'd rely on my professor and the syllabus. It's got nothing to do with professor worship.

  

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121. "And where is the problem?"
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>And then told to extrapolate from that what do you think they
>will do? I don't care if you're a Harvard student or a
>fucking rocket scientist. You will be influenced by the
>professor if you have no pre history with the subject matter.

Professors choose a syllabus for an arts class. They select plays/films/books/albums for their students in order to learn lessons about technical and thematic elements and how to express one's own personal connections to artistic work. From there, students find (wait for it, this is the crazy part that may blow your mind) MORE plays/films/albums to see/read/listen to in order to use their new skills on how to make informed opinions, and they use those skills to broaden their horizons, the horizons of their classmates, and the horizons of their professors.

You are stopping on Step 1 as if Step 1 is Step 10. You can't teach the history of or the technique of or anything of art without example. The example is just that: the example.

Real example: When I'm told by Professor Clum at Duke University that Gypsy is the greatest musical of all time, my first instinct as his musical theater history student is, "Cool! I wanna see/hear it!" After I see/hear it, I think "I preferred other musicals! Why? Let me learn the skills of criticism and self-expression in this class!" Just because Clum told me it's the best never once put into my head that it is definitively the best.

But perhaps by using an example just then in order to teach you the point of college arts classes, I'm expressing too much influence over what you may think of college arts classes. Unless you still disagree with me. In which case, you made my point for me about how choosing examples to expose others to a subject doesn't necessitate influence over opinion.

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59. "Credibility. He has it nm."
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64. "You yourself should enroll in some courses "
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get you money up, nigga.

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70. "^ Damn, my man said how a nigga given plasma to eat gonna tell"
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Harvard what they should be teaching?


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71. "My Man said you need two aliases if you gonna..."
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talk about eating a broads throw up and living off selling your blood

and then making bold know it all proclamations the next day.


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131. "Lol"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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72. "aint you half white tho? "
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73. "did anyone listen to the segment"
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it did sound corny as shit
my husband and i laughed at it this morning
professor wonder
jesus christ

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76. "Seriously, Fam! How can anyone hate on this? Why?"
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78. "because black music is like crabs in a barrel"
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79. "this okp, mayne. nm"
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81. "agreed...hiphop being studied at Harvard is a win for all of us"
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as fans and/or participants of the culture

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122. "For sure. And they are studying the Golden Age of Hiphop."
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82. "this nigga creative passion is taking creepy pics of big girls"
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please dont underestimate his levels of hateration

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88. "Did you just confuse me with that Sinbad lookin ass nigga?"
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143. "*tupac*"
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93. "Because okayplayer"
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90. "baby gotta eat."
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99. "DESCRIPTION OF THE COURSE..."
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http://isites.harvard.edu/course/colgsas-99254

Spring 2012-2013

AFRAMER 145x: African and African American Studies 145x The Hiphop Cipher: "These are the Breaks" (With 9th Wonder) MarcylienaMorgan The Hiphop Cipher is an in-depth look at aspects of hiphop. It is for students who have taken courses on hiphop and popular music and culture. It closely examines a particular issue and topic and includes guest lecturers and master classes on areas or issues in hiphop culture, art, scholarship and performance. Spring 2013 will feature Grammy Winning producer 9th Wonder. These are the Breaks: The connection between vinyl from the 60's, 70's and 80's and birth of what we now know as hip-hop music, is a connection that is known by producers, DJ's and collectors of music, but not to academia. Various political, cultural, and social movements of the 1960's created an environment for the stories of soul, jazz, and funk produced in the 1970's, which in turn created the platform for our most treasured hip-hop albums (Illmatic, The BluePrint, The Chronic, College Dropout, The Minstrel Show). "Diggers" from around the world travel from country to country, from record shop to basement, in search of the original "breaks" used for these albums, in some cases for 10+ years. This course examines the important break beats in hiphop and the cultural, political and social movements and contexts that the beats, songs and production represented.
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First off, the fact this nigga thinks The Minstrel Show is in the realm of them other albums is telling.


Second off, what about albums not built totally around samples? What about producers who program mostly with synths or play their own shit? Sorry Pimp C, you made a bunch of classic soulful shit but you ain't sample or use fruity loops so you ain't on 9th wonders curriculum.

  

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101. "RE: DESCRIPTION OF THE COURSE..."
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>First off, the fact this nigga thinks The Minstrel Show is in
>the realm of them other albums is telling.

I can't imagine why they would include one of the instructor's albums in the course description.

>Second off, what about albums not built totally around
>samples? What about producers who program mostly with synths
>or play their own shit? Sorry Pimp C, you made a bunch of
>classic soulful shit but you ain't sample or use fruity loops
>so you ain't on 9th wonders curriculum.

One time I took this class about The Beatles and they didn't include anything on the Rolling Stones. I was so pissed.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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103. "did you also take a class on rock and roll that excluded guitars?"
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How bout a class assignment where you had list the greatest rock albums ever but had to exclude any album that contained a bass guitar?

and also I can't imagine taking a class about the history of rock where alongside legends the professor has his garage band album listed Lol.

  

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105. "There's nothing to be done with you. You're aggressively dumb."
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And you apparently enjoy being aggressively dumb.

The title of the class is "These are the breaks," a reference to sampling. If I took a course in folk rock and the course description described it as an exploration of acoustic folk music and its influence on rock & roll and there was never an electric bass guitar in any of the course materials, I probably wouldn't complain, because I'm not a fucking idiot.

Most "history of rock" professors would probably include at least one of their publications in their course description, and in most cases that book probably sold less copies than "The Minstrel Show."

And feel free to refer to Little Brother as a "garage band" when you sell 100,000 of anything.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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108. "aggressively dumb is the perfect description"
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If this dude worked half this hard at finding a new job he would own the company by now.

  

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111. "you keep them wack analogies coming"
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In the story the nigga clearly said the class was gonna create a definitive list of classic albums inrap history... Not sampled rap history but just rap. Now you and others may think that's perfectly fine, that's your right but I'm right to point out that that eaves A LOT of shit out. A lot of shit that the novices in his class won't be put on to.

To your second point. If Kid Rock was somehow allowed to teach a class on rock and had one of his shitty ass albums on the required listening lost alongside classic rock albums I'd give the same eye roll.... And he's sold a shit ton more than Little Brother.

  

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106. "i just backspaced, crazy. anyway, of COURSE he would "
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include minstrel show or one of his albums. because he can talk about what was done on other albums. and may *know* exactly the what and how via his friendships w/ primo an nem, but that's entirely different from being able to demonstrate the whole deal, soup to nuts.

of course it doesn't cover non-sample based hip hop. if it purported to encompass the totality of hip hop we'd rightly scream that that is ludacris** to do and shortchanges the culture.

he is picking a narrow but still broad theme, and showing the relationship between soul and r&b and hip hop from a musical perspective.

*EYE* know all that shit, but there's mad folks (ivy educated or not) that be on that 'rap is crap' shit, and have no concept of a hip hop aesthetic, NO understanding of hip hop's placement firmly within the black musical and cultural continuum.

now, if you know all that shit, great for you. don't go to harvard (or duke or central) and don't take the class. it will be eye opening and very valuable for those who actually love music.

the jazz and blues classes (how can ONE SEMSTER** each show the totality of jazz or blues music?!?!??!??! arrghh!!! *angry noises*) were life changing in giving me an appreciation of the music. was there shit that, despite my prof digging it, wasn't my cup of tea? no doubt. but i understood it in the greater context, and it made sense.

and years later when i talk to MY kids about hip hop, i understand that the funky four or treacherous three might be as archaic and antiquated to them as big band. but if you don't understand that shit. don't understand ragtime. don't understand blues (and the milieu which produced it), how do you fully appreciate bebop? how do you see where gospel and r&b, and soul and all of those things, hip hop, and house (RIP to frankie knuckles) even came from?

hip hop deserves the academic treatment. if i wasn't doing what i'm doing, i'd prolly be giving lectures placing Birthday Party by grandmaster flash and the furious five, replete w/ kazoos on the hook, into the context of african oral traditions of call and response that came with us to these shores, and manifested in field hollers, the pulpit, and even internet cosigns.




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118. "ok, i respect this argument, im gonna stand down..."
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You haven't convinced me but i see your point.

  

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128. "cool. i'm all the more glad i didn't say anything disrespectful or "
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unnecessarily combative.

and you don't have to agree. that's not the point. (or, rather, agree with the positions 9th is taking, which we don't een know from this discussion). i'm just pointing out that we can't have it both ways.

something we know and love is subject to academic rigor by someone who has firsthand knowledge of the culture. that don't mean 9th is a great professor (although, again, i've been impressed w/ the snippets i've seen, and i actually wrote an article and interviewed ?uest when they both did a lecture at duke a few years ago).

but there's an authenticity (c) FE about what he brings to the table.

he could be teaching some bullshit. i think its dope that a professor would have turntables in class.

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123. "Great Points!"
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125. "These are all great individual points."
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Dude's problem seems to be with how college arts classes operate in general, but at least you made a great argument rooted in specifics for this particular class

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137. "RE: i just backspaced, crazy. anyway, of COURSE he would "
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>include minstrel show or one of his albums. because he can
>talk about what was done on other albums.

including his album on teh syllabus is one thing, but "most treasured" is another.

i remember ten years ago there would have been a whole lot of pushback against the notion that the university is the institution to disseminate hiphop knowledge, given the biases of academics towards treating it as a topic in sociology. i can't bear to listen to the clip or argue further bc i have bad tv to watch but i think i would have been more impressed if the assignment had been more empirical.

  

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141. "^^^"
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109. "lol y the fuk yal in here arguing with this character"
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110. "it's Friday, and we ain't got shit to do"
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114. "A message bored debate."
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Precisely.

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115. "9th is hardly corny "
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117. "this is how art history/criticism classes work"
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he's not telling them what to think, he's helping them to develop their own perspective.

honestly, what if he was?
rolling stone puts out a list of most important songs on a weekly basis and nobody died.

  

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120. "we have to go to a white man to tell us about the history of jazz"
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Keep down this road and we'll have to rely on Harvard to tell us about the history of hip hop... Fuck that.

  

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124. "and the gems keep right on coming"
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126. "How did I know from the post title that this was about 9th Wonder?"
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I agree 9th is overrated and a bit on the cornball side with his music which is pretty boring to say the least, but c'mon son! What ivy league school are you teaching at? I much rather have someone like 9th teaching and inspiring others to learn more about hip hop than him wasting hip hop fans time with his slumberous beats. Let that man cook.

  

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129. "Too early to call for an Archive?"
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132. "This post and replies are need deletion, what a shitty post"
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135. "This is a classic case of Poster vs. Actual Post"
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A good portion of the comments weren't even about the 9th Wonder course/documentary, instead, it was about Inkast's life.

So how about we actually talk about the post?

"Not how to get a deal, not how to make beats or anything . . . just learn how it impacts them and how it can impact the future"


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139. "more on the Bun B class... its better"
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Cause it was more specific, religion and hip hop http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i93VVcwSctE

  

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142. "I swear he did this years ago."
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145. "Fuck you "
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I'm not even a 9th fan like that but any time I see Premo and Pete in the same shot there's gotta be something good going on for Hip-Hop.

LOL @ seeing Hip-Hop as a course @ Harvard as a bad thing.

You're a fucking idiot.

  

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