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"Some blacks insist: 'I'm not African-American' (swipe)"


  

          

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/05/some-blacks-insist-im-not-african-american/&ts=noscript&rnd=1328478501189?intcmp=obinsite

The labels used to describe Americans of African descent mark the movement of a people from the slave house to the White House. Today, many are resisting this progression by holding on to a name from the past: "black."

For this group — some descended from U.S. slaves, some immigrants with a separate history — "African-American" is not the sign of progress hailed when the term was popularized in the late 1980s. Instead, it's a misleading connection to a distant culture.

The debate has waxed and waned since African-American went mainstream, and gained new significance after the son of a black Kenyan and a white American moved into the White House. President Barack Obama's identity has been contested from all sides, renewing questions that have followed millions of darker Americans:

What are you? Where are you from? And how do you fit into this country?

"I prefer to be called black," said Shawn Smith, an accountant from Houston. "How I really feel is, I'm American."

"I don't like African-American. It denotes something else to me than who I am," said Smith, whose parents are from Mississippi and North Carolina. "I can't recall any of them telling me anything about Africa. They told me a whole lot about where they grew up in Macomb County and Shelby, N.C."

Gibré George, an entrepreneur from Miami, started a Facebook page called "Don't Call Me African-American" on a whim. It now has about 300 "likes."

"We respect our African heritage, but that term is not really us," George said. "We're several generations down the line. If anyone were to ship us back to Africa, we'd be like fish out of water."

"It just doesn't sit well with a younger generation of black people," continued George, who is 38. "Africa was a long time ago. Are we always going to be tethered to Africa? Spiritually I'm American. When the war starts, I'm fighting for America."

Joan Morgan, a writer born in Jamaica who moved to New York City as a girl, remembers the first time she publicly corrected someone about the term: at a book signing, when she was introduced as African-American and her family members in the front rows were appalled and hurt.

"That act of calling me African-American completely erased their history and the sacrifice and contributions it took to make me an author," said Morgan, a longtime U.S. citizen who calls herself Black-Caribbean American. (Some insist Black should be capitalized.)

She said people struggle with the fact that black people have multiple ethnicities because it challenges America's original black-white classifications. In her view, forcing everyone into a name meant for descendants of American slaves distorts the nature of the contributions of immigrants like her black countrymen Marcus Garvey and Claude McKay.

Morgan acknowledges that her homeland of Jamaica is populated by the descendants of African slaves. "But I am not African, and Africans are not African-American," she said.

In Latin, a forerunner of the English language, the color black is "niger." In 1619, the first African captives in America were described as "negars," which became the epithet still used by some today.

The Spanish word "negro" means black. That was the label applied by white Americans for centuries.

The word black also was given many pejorative connotations — a black mood, a blackened reputation, a black heart. "Colored" seemed better, until the civil rights movement insisted on Negro, with a capital N.

Then, in the 1960s, "black" came back — as an expression of pride, a strategy to defy oppression.

"Every time black had been mentioned since slavery, it was bad," says Mary Frances Berry, a University of Pennsylvania history professor and former chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. Reclaiming the word "was a grass-roots move, and it was oppositional. It was like, 'In your face.'"

Afro-American was briefly in vogue in the 1970s, and lingers today in the names of some newspapers and university departments. But it was soon overshadowed by African-American, which first sprouted among the black intelligentsia.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson is widely credited with taking African-American mainstream in 1988, before his second presidential run.

Berry remembers being at a 1988 gathering of civil rights groups organized by Jackson in Chicago when Ramona Edelin, then president of the National Urban Coalition, urged those assembled to declare that black people should be called African-American.

Edelin says today that there was no intent to exclude people born in other countries, or to eliminate the use of black: "It was an attempt to start a cultural offensive, because we were clearly at that time always on the defensive."

"We said, this is kind of a compromise term," she continued. "There are those among us who don't want to be referred to as African. And there also those among us who don't want to be referred to as American. This was a way of bridging divisions among us or in our ideologies so we can move forward as a group."

Jackson, who at the time may have been the most-quoted black man in America, followed through with the plan.

"Every ethnic group in this country has a reference to some land base, some historical, cultural base," Jackson told reporters at the time. "African-Americans have hit that level of cultural maturity."

The effect was immediate. "Back in those days we didn't talk about things going viral, but that's what you would say today. It was quite remarkable," said the columnist Clarence Page, then a reporter. "It was kind of like when Black Power first came in the '60s, there was all kinds of buzz among black folks and white folks about whether or not I like this."

Page liked it — he still uses it interchangeably with black — and sees an advantage to changing names.

"If we couldn't control anything else, at least we could control what people call us," Page said. "That's the most fundamental right any human being has, over what other people call you. (African-American) had a lot of psychic value from that point of view."

It also has historical value, said Irv Randolph, managing editor of the Philadelphia Tribune, a black newspaper that uses both terms: "It's a historical fact that we are people of African descent."

"African-American embraces where we came from and where we are now," he said. "We are Americans, no doubt about that. But to deny where we came from doesn't make any sense to me."

Jackson agrees about such denial. "It shows a willful ignorance of our roots, our heritage and our lineage," he said Tuesday. "A fruit without a root is dying."

He observed that the history of how captives were brought here from Africa is unchangeable, and that Senegal is almost as close to New York as Los Angeles.

"If a chicken is born in the oven," Jackson said, "that doesn't make it a biscuit."

Today, 24 years after Jackson popularized African-American, it's unclear what term is preferred by the community. A series of Gallup polls from 1991 to 2007 showed no strong consensus for either black or African-American. In a January 2011 NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 42 percent of respondents said they preferred black, 35 percent said African-American, 13 percent said it doesn't make any difference, and 7 percent chose "some other term."

Meanwhile, a record number of black people in America — almost 1 in 10 — were born abroad, according to census figures.

Tomi Obaro is one of them. Her Nigerian-born parents brought her to America from England as a girl, and she became a citizen last year. Although she is literally African-American, the University of Chicago senior says the label implies she is descended from slaves. It also feels vague and liberal to her.

"It just sort of screams this political correctness," Obaro said. She and her black friends rarely use it to refer to themselves, only when they're speaking in "proper company."

"Or it's a word that people who aren't black use to describe black people," she said.

Or it's a political tool. In a Senate race against Obama in 2004, Alan Keyes implied that Obama could not claim to share Keyes' "African-American heritage" because Keyes' ancestors were slaves. During the Democratic presidential primary, some Hillary Clinton supporters made the same charge.

Last year, Herman Cain, then a Republican presidential candidate, sought to contrast his roots in the Jim Crow south with Obama's history, and he shunned the label African-American in favor of "American black conservative." Rush Limbaugh mocked Obama as a "halfrican-American."

Then there are some white Americans who were born in Africa.

Paulo Seriodo is a U.S. citizen born in Mozambique to parents from Portugal. In 2009 he filed a lawsuit against his medical school, which he said suspended him after a dispute with black classmates over whether Seriodo could call himself African-American.

"It doesn't matter if I'm from Africa, and they are not!" Seriodo wrote at the time. "They are not allowing me to be African-American!"

And so the saga of names continues.

"I think it's still evolving," said Edelin, the activist who helped popularize African-American. "I'm content, for now, with African and American."

"But," she added, "that's not to say that it won't change again."

  

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lmao@ Fox News
Feb 21st 2012
1
saw that and tuned out.
Feb 21st 2012
3
This is only because they are tired of African Americans being picked ap...
Feb 21st 2012
2
white people fled the caucasus mountains thousands of years ago
Feb 21st 2012
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^^^^
Feb 21st 2012
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whu?
Feb 21st 2012
11
uh, me too.
Feb 21st 2012
14
but wait, i just bothered to read this shit
Feb 21st 2012
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      lol
Feb 21st 2012
58
           o_o
Feb 21st 2012
60
kapow
Feb 21st 2012
24
thats whats so ironic
Feb 21st 2012
36
I don't know why I laughed so hard at this.
Feb 21st 2012
33
there are people Caucasus mountains?
Feb 21st 2012
39
i'm sorry?
Feb 21st 2012
43
      i mean with white people no distinction can be made
Feb 21st 2012
50
how many of us crackers know where that is, though?
Feb 21st 2012
51
i think this is what hardware is saying to & to that i say
Feb 21st 2012
53
If they were called Caucasian Americans.....you might have a point....
Feb 21st 2012
62
ok well then ill start calling yall all africans
Feb 22nd 2012
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      THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DO SISTER!!!!
Feb 22nd 2012
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damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Feb 21st 2012
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I'm makin' devils cower to the Caucus Mountains.
Feb 22nd 2012
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this isnt tru in my experience, i knew a few whites who dont
Feb 27th 2012
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it doesn't matter b/c i'll always be seen as an "other."
Feb 21st 2012
5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3jPdSuRIE
Feb 21st 2012
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RE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3jPdSuRIE
Feb 21st 2012
55
agreed
Feb 21st 2012
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I agree with the subject line of this reply.
Feb 21st 2012
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^This.
Feb 23rd 2012
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Who cares, I mean really...
Feb 21st 2012
7
it *has* to take skill to spin a long-ass article out of NOTHING.
Feb 21st 2012
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OK
Feb 21st 2012
9
been telling yall this for yrs.
Feb 21st 2012
10
you're not even gonna comment on Joan Morgan's capital B?
Feb 21st 2012
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lol yea this post did kinda prove your point
Feb 26th 2012
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      LOL... not at all (see #19)
Feb 27th 2012
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           why should we care how someone else defines themselves?
Feb 27th 2012
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                because you always try to use that to try to prove your point
Feb 27th 2012
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*sigh* @ Joan Morgan nm
Feb 21st 2012
12
The American negro is a better label...
Feb 21st 2012
13
i hate this article for more reasons than the subject.
Feb 21st 2012
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First things first... Jesse is the man
Feb 21st 2012
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Also this:
Feb 21st 2012
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...but even more of us prefer 'Black'.
Feb 21st 2012
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      if you asked the majority of Black people should Black be capitalized
Feb 21st 2012
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           so?
Feb 22nd 2012
77
i coulda swore this was posted already
Feb 21st 2012
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#21
Feb 21st 2012
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RE: Some blacks insist: 'I'm not African-American' (swipe)
Feb 21st 2012
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i'm still down w/African Booty Scratcher.
Feb 21st 2012
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I Still Can't Make The Distinction Between Black vs black,,,
Feb 21st 2012
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black Fridays from now until Easter. otherwise it's Black.
Feb 21st 2012
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Well, I'm Glad Somebody Ended This Confusion,,,
Feb 21st 2012
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black is international black. Black is American black.
Feb 21st 2012
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RE: black is international black. Black is American black.
Feb 21st 2012
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if a tree falls in Okayplayer
Feb 21st 2012
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      Not Really, But I Am Curious As To How This Notion Was Founded,,,,
Feb 21st 2012
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Reading This Bullshit Article, I'm Inclined To Ask - Once Again - WHAT?
Feb 21st 2012
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Makes perfect sense for West Indians and Africans to say that.
Feb 21st 2012
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does it matter that many Africans don't feel kindred to us?
Feb 21st 2012
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does it matter that many do?
Feb 21st 2012
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      I Like This Post
Feb 21st 2012
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      u make good points, i'm just feeling like we should be more
Feb 21st 2012
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      RE: u make good points, i'm just feeling like we should be more
Feb 21st 2012
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           u really, really, made me think in a way i'd never pondered
Feb 21st 2012
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                what we should never forget is that families were split
Feb 21st 2012
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                     that's really something to think about, all of it. i've heard
Feb 21st 2012
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                     #kaboom
Feb 22nd 2012
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                     For real though, Africans ain't cool with me
Feb 22nd 2012
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                     Yeah, because ALL of them did that.
Feb 23rd 2012
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                     lmao
Feb 26th 2012
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                     well said
Feb 22nd 2012
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                     goodness gracious that was fantastic
Feb 22nd 2012
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                     How should I credit you when I repost this on other sites Sister?
Feb 23rd 2012
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                     queen sister sho nuff
Feb 23rd 2012
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                     great post n/m
Feb 23rd 2012
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                     Beautiful
Feb 26th 2012
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                     LATE but SPEAK THAT TRUTH
Feb 26th 2012
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                     *applauds*
Feb 26th 2012
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                     co-sign...could not have said it better.
Feb 26th 2012
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      wow, you're killin it
Feb 22nd 2012
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lol @ the chicken reference. chicken just HAD to be brought
Feb 21st 2012
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I was telling my friends the other day about the beef i have with labels
Feb 21st 2012
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I'm Black..not African-American.
Feb 21st 2012
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where country is your family from?
Feb 21st 2012
57
      The US.
Feb 22nd 2012
65
my two cents
Feb 21st 2012
59
just wanna give a shout out 2 flora
Feb 21st 2012
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lol peace peace
Feb 22nd 2012
67
      post 52 should b anchored 4 the next time this topic comes up imo
Feb 22nd 2012
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but, eyez MULATTO
Feb 22nd 2012
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Let Malcom speak on it...
Feb 22nd 2012
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niggas look @ me funny when I say nigga cuz I got dat good hair
Feb 22nd 2012
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Oh you mean you have that nappy rugged beautiful AFRIKAAN hair?
Feb 23rd 2012
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This should be anchored and eventually archived for #52
Feb 22nd 2012
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these days i avoid these discussions but flora made it worth it
Feb 23rd 2012
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^^^
Feb 25th 2012
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eh...i was ready to scoff but i can understand it.
Feb 23rd 2012
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Blackness supersedes & thats all i have to say
Feb 23rd 2012
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long ass article and not close to my viewpoint. Black/af-am is
Feb 23rd 2012
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make sure not to miss out on flora's gold, esp. #52
Feb 24th 2012
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whats it got to do w/ being Black? nm
Feb 25th 2012
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      um the evidence points to poetx and I agreeing on "Black"
Feb 26th 2012
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yea i agree I think people fail to understand the issues
Feb 26th 2012
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no matter how many generations removed...
Feb 25th 2012
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hey...what country is Africa? point it out to me
Feb 25th 2012
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      who said anything about an African country?
Feb 25th 2012
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           where is this Africa? be specific.
Feb 26th 2012
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                i think it'd be quite sad....
Feb 26th 2012
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Aint a question for me. I'm Jamaican-American.
Feb 25th 2012
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I don't like either actually.
Feb 26th 2012
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Aint no such thing as a BLACK person
Feb 27th 2012
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Black is a perfectly valid identity and it doesnt mean u r
Feb 27th 2012
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let me ask you more about what you're saying here
Feb 27th 2012
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Black=Black American to me
Feb 27th 2012
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if i'm reading this correctly (and please let me know) you're
Feb 27th 2012
115
      lol honestly that works, good analogy
Feb 27th 2012
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Gotdamn, flora's cogent argument is LAID, like a good weave.
Feb 27th 2012
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i was recently called akata by a nigerian
Feb 27th 2012
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Smh, some of them be so disrespectful. With the last Nigerian I dated,
Feb 27th 2012
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please do
Feb 27th 2012
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"There really is no blackman
Feb 27th 2012
123

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1. "lmao@ Fox News"
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3. "saw that and tuned out."
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2. "This is only because they are tired of African Americans being picked ap..."
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by society. Thing is that society picks us apart because of our skin color. And we can't change that. Well... we can...but I don't want to.

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4. "white people fled the caucasus mountains thousands of years ago"
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and won't bat an eye if you refer to them as caucasian

call a nigga an african when his great, great, great grandmother may very well have been one and it's all "i can't relate"

coons

  

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6. "^^^^"
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11. "whu?"
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Tue Feb-21-12 02:36 PM by Selah

          

>and won't bat an eye if you refer to them as caucasian

because they call themselves that...

>call a nigga an african when his great, great, great
>grandmother may very well have been one and it's all "i can't
>relate"

*may* is key here

>coons

I think I get your point, but the same type of logic you're using here was used to ask what was wrong with "colored" and "Black"

point is defining yourself with little to no grounding (read: direct linking to something known, not just romanticized) is difficult. the best you can do is invent something that will only prove problematic later when folks think what you've invented isn't clear enough

also....

you're painting with a huge brush anyway. I don't know many mature folks who trip off Black vs African American - we got much bigger fish to fry in 2012

personally methinks the bigger problem we have is wrangling over dumb stuff

  

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14. "uh, me too."
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>personally methinks the bigger problem we have is wrangling
>over dumb stuff


  

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37. "but wait, i just bothered to read this shit"
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>>call a nigga an african when his great, great, great
>>grandmother may very well have been one and it's all "i
>can't
>>relate"
>
>*may* is key here

may is key

since it's actually more of a "more than likely" than it is a "may" since NOBODY in the diaspora regardless of where the fuck your people are from is that far removed from africa

  

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58. "lol"
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>since it's actually more of a "more than likely" than it is a
>"may"

you said what you said *shrug*

>since NOBODY in the diaspora regardless of where the
>fuck your people are from is that far removed from africa

so then it doesn't really designate anything as a signifier

  

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60. "o_o"
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24. "kapow"
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The "Caucasian" thing is actually just more of a misnomer, but still. Hit 'em.

  

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36. "thats whats so ironic"
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it's a misnomer yet they don't complain about it, and its a term that extends to all white people, and they're united under it

meanwhile something that is NOT a misnomer, which is that we are african, has so much contention

shits weak

  

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33. "I don't know why I laughed so hard at this. "
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>and won't bat an eye if you refer to them as caucasian
>
>call a nigga an african when his great, great, great
>grandmother may very well have been one and it's all "i can't
>relate"
>
>coons


I shouldn't have but damned if I didn't snort and shit.

  

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39. "there are people Caucasus mountains?"
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Tue Feb-21-12 07:24 PM by hardware

          

cause there's people in Africa

  

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43. "i'm sorry?"
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50. "i mean with white people no distinction can be made"
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because there's nobody in the homeland to be like 'them motherfuckers aint now part of Caucus"

  

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51. "how many of us crackers know where that is, though?"
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nobody can find the Caucasus Mountains on a map. (I know it's kinda to the right of Turkey, but that's about it.) There's no bad correlation in our mind with that region. No lifestyle or images come to mind when we hear that term.

But if you mention the word "African"? For most Westerners, that brings forth the mental image of tribal life, mud huts with lions and giraffes in the background, and emaciated children covered in flies. (Even though this isn't how the majority live in Africa, it's still the cultural perception in the West.)



How do 'white' people in the US react to being called 'European', though? (Or European-American?) Do you think they would be accepting of that term? It's as historically accurate as 'African-American' is, and would be a better comparison than 'Caucasian', imo.

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53. "i think this is what hardware is saying to & to that i say"
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white people don't have to concern themselves with these sort of nuances in general so i don't expect anybody to do the knowledge.

doesn't change the fact that there is no contention with it, even if it's a misnomer, because it's something that seems to unify white americans in general that is not country specific.

the fact that they don't know what caucasian means, or where the origins are, but still don't take issue with it is precisely what is amazing to me about it.

in many ways it is a blanket term in the same way that "African" should be because while yes, we do have images and geographic ideas about it, we are "african" in general because beyond that, we don't know where we are from.

how people perceive africa is the issue.


>How do 'white' people in the US react to being called
>'European', though? (Or European-American?) Do you think they
>would be accepting of that term? It's as historically accurate
>as 'African-American' is, and would be a better comparison
>than 'Caucasian', imo.

no, it's not.

white people tend to know precisely what kind of european they are. they don't need to identify with the continent when they can be irish american or german american or what have you. i doubt very seriously any white person would take issue with being called european american, but they would make the distinction of whatever county(ies) because they can.

we do not have the luxury due to our history here. if i could say i was angolan-american or ghanain-american i could. but i do not know where i am from, so african american will never be a pejorative to me.

  

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62. "If they were called Caucasian Americans.....you might have a point...."
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Also....it's hilarious to me that my iPad's spell correction is forcing Caucasian with a cap C......

  

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66. "ok well then ill start calling yall all africans"
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since your contention is with the -american

  

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74. "THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I DO SISTER!!!!"
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And you on POINT in this muthafukka!!! Preach the truth to the youth
BLACK AFRIKAAN QUEEN!!!

  

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64. "damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"
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70. "I'm makin' devils cower to the Caucus Mountains."
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doomp-ba doomp-ba

  

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111. "this isnt tru in my experience, i knew a few whites who dont"
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like called caucasian and dont even think its valid

also in the majority of media and press and academic writings u will rarely see white americans referred to as caucasians

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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5. "it doesn't matter b/c i'll always be seen as an "other.""
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YT will never see me as "joe corn mo, the indivisual."
as soon as i walk into a room, i'll always be "the black guy."


and to be honest, in a lot of ways,
i'll always be seen as an other to a good portion of black folks, too.

i don't know why that is,
but it is. and it's been that way since grade school.

"talking white."
"acting white."
"listening to 'white' music sometimes"
being light skinned probablly didn't help things. lol




truth be told, i'm over it.
i am what i am... people either like me, or don't.




i am what i am.
but no matter what i am, a lot of folks are going to try to put you in a box... so fuck it at this point.



i have accepted the fact
that in a lot of ways, i'll be a foriegner wherever i go.

it is what it is.

  

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15. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3jPdSuRIE"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3jPdSuRIE

  

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55. "RE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg3jPdSuRIE"
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i've been meaning to take time to listen to this cat more, my boy always bumps his shit and the little bit i've heard has been good.

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23. "agreed"
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Get Out the Room
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25. "I agree with the subject line of this reply."
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
"Once upon a time, little need existed for making the distinction between a nigga and a black—at least not in this country, the place where niggas were invented" -- Donnell A

  

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81. "^This."
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sometimes u gotta leave ur inner nigger in the bank vault. - desus

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7. "Who cares, I mean really..."
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-

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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8. "it *has* to take skill to spin a long-ass article out of NOTHING."
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9. "OK"
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That was a M E S S.

  

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10. "been telling yall this for yrs."
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*shrug*

one day yall gonna acknowledge im right


do or die

  

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17. "you're not even gonna comment on Joan Morgan's capital B?"
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107. "lol yea this post did kinda prove your point"
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109. "LOL... not at all (see #19)"
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(and his point can never be proven through polls that look only at what African Americans have to say)

  

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114. "why should we care how someone else defines themselves?"
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smh @ muppet hair


do or die

  

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116. "because you always try to use that to try to prove your point"
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12. "*sigh* @ Joan Morgan nm"
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Please welcome baby Askia into the world!! 10/16/10.

  

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13. "The American negro is a better label..."
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reason #348599 why we are at the bottom of the totem pole
in 2012, this is what niggaz are concerned about...smh

  

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16. "i hate this article for more reasons than the subject."
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i'm out.
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18. "First things first... Jesse is the man"
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Especially for this comment:

"It shows a willful ignorance of our roots, our heritage and our lineage," he said Tuesday. "A fruit without a root is dying."

  

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19. "Also this:"
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Today, 24 years after Jackson popularized African-American, it's unclear what term is preferred by the community. A series of Gallup polls from 1991 to 2007 showed no strong consensus for either black or African-American. In a January 2011 NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, 42 percent of respondents said they preferred black, 35 percent said African-American, 13 percent said it doesn't make any difference, and 7 percent chose "some other term."

^^^Notice that more people than not are cool with (i.e., either prefer it or find it equally suitable) "African American"!

Eat it.

  

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26. "...but even more of us prefer 'Black'."
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word.

fuck you.

  

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32. "if you asked the majority of Black people should Black be capitalized"
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im sure 99% would say hell yes


do or die

  

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77. "so?"
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You would NOT get 99% saying the term excludes Farrakhan, Biggie, etc.

  

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20. "i coulda swore this was posted already"
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www.royallegacy.org
http://therapfest.com/up-next-artists/

  

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22. "#21"
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21. "RE: Some blacks insist: 'I'm not African-American' (swipe)"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=11030854&mesg_id=11030854&listing_type=search

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27. "i'm still down w/African Booty Scratcher."
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fuck you.

  

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28. "I Still Can't Make The Distinction Between Black vs black,,,"
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I think I've only seen this argument here in OKP. What does it constitutes to be either? Somebody hip me to this

  

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29. "black Fridays from now until Easter. otherwise it's Black."
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we gave up capitalization for Lent.

fuck you.

  

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30. "Well, I'm Glad Somebody Ended This Confusion,,,"
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35. "black is international black. Black is American black."
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I think?


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38. "RE: black is international black. Black is American black."
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>I think?
>
>
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>
>http://www.last.fm/user/NodimaChee
>http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
>http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/run_that_shit__nodimas_hip_hop_handbook

I'm a child of Somali immigrants, which category do I fall under? Capital or small?

  

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40. "if a tree falls in Okayplayer"
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does anybody give a fuck?

  

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41. "Not Really, But I Am Curious As To How This Notion Was Founded,,,,"
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31. "Reading This Bullshit Article, I'm Inclined To Ask - Once Again - WHAT?"
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On the pits of hell makes black people so damn prone to be labeled? Its seems we can't escape this "tick the right box" dilemma, if the media is not imposing this on us, we impose it on ourself.

I miss the days when Pan-Africanism was en vogue.

  

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34. "Makes perfect sense for West Indians and Africans to say that."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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42. "does it matter that many Africans don't feel kindred to us?"
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let's see here, we had. . .nigger, nigra, negro, black, afro-american (which was the stupidest moniker EVER), now it's african-american.

and then what about all the african americans that have a gazillion other ethnicities mixed into their bloodlines? do they get discounted because they "look" black.

i mean i see it either way. i was one of the ones, that when we were were FIRST haggling over this newest designation, i couldn't relate. i came up being called "black".

now i'm just meh, about it. perhaps if i actually did some research and could trace any of my pple back to the motherland i'd be more adamant. the tricky thing about that is, there's so much mystery and misinformation regarding my family's IMMEDIATE lineage that that would be damn near impossible to do. until then, it's whatever.

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45. "does it matter that many do?"
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does it matter that those who don't often feel that way because of colonization and perhaps as a reaction to our behavior?

does it matter that all of our feelings are influenced by divisive agendas that we only perpetuate by pointing fingers?

all of it matters

but it doesn't change our history which makes us african american

our fore mothers wasn't warming beds for us to be shamed

  

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46. "I Like This Post"
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47. "u make good points, i'm just feeling like we should be more"
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connected or feel more related to indigenous Africans. i believe over the last few decades we've made strides. the newer generations have a much better opportunity to do and experience this and delve even further. the comment about our foremothers makes a lot of sense. i mean, i hadn't really thought about it that way before.

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48. "RE: u make good points, i'm just feeling like we should be more"
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>connected or feel more related to indigenous Africans.

i don't think theres anything really preventing this other than lack of dialog

  

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49. "u really, really, made me think in a way i'd never pondered"
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before, re: the rape of our ancestors.

sh*t.

how would they feel about their descendants being so quick to disclaim them?

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52. "what we should never forget is that families were split"
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when i went to a slave port in congo there was a memorial that stated that some 2 million people had been exported from there

that was more than the population of the city at present

they didn't do clean, even splits

families were torn apart, and we are the descendants of the men and women healthy, strong and able enough to outlast the middle passage and slavery

but their sisters, brothers, mothers and so forth were left on those coasts torn apart

i mean, imagine if someone took your child to angola never to be seen again

would you want his children to forget about you?

would you want his siblings to discredit him?

we're not so far removed from this to feel so disconnected

slavery wasn't that long ago and we are NOT healed regardless of the incessant call to "get over it" by the same people who won't acknowledge it

i don't think i'm being dramatic when i say that we have generations deep with post traumatic stress disorder from that shit

we're suffering, africa is suffering and the last thing we need to do is turn our noses up and take issue with something that we should stand proud in

are we different from africans? absolutely. but most people aren't even versed enough in either culture to even recognize the ways that we are

they like gucci mane & gold chains while we give there old dances new names and pour liquor out for our dead homies not even recognizing that we function similarly

especially southern blacks

our need for an autonomous culture is a reaction to their pretentiousness about what is our isn't african but we ALL have these issues because our colonizers created them

i refuse to let them crackers win

ashé

  

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61. "that's really something to think about, all of it. i've heard "
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others who have been to that port describe an eery feeling of reverance and sadness. i can't even begin to wrap my mind around experiencing the abject horror and inhumanity that was the middle passage. 1st there was the savage abduction and humiliation. . .devils coming to steal them from all they knew, speaking a different language. . .then the shit, piss, bodies upon bodies packed together like sardines, disease, urine, menstruation, vomit, little to no food, rodents, insects, i'm sure some women probably gave birth or miscarried - and that's not even the tip of the iceberg. . .they get here and get put on an auction block and we all know how the rest of the story goes, on and on and on. . .

reiterating all that puts things into perspective for me. i'm never too close-minded to unlearn to relearn. always open. powerful posting.

i'd like to visit someday.

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69. "#kaboom"
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www.royallegacy.org
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72. "For real though, Africans ain't cool with me"
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Who found, kidnapped, captured, defeated and ultimately sold us to the white man? That was trifling. Don't tell me that I have to feel some connection with folks that sold me down the river for greed. Same Africans still greedy. Look at how messed up so many African countries are; all because of greed. I seriously think if they could sell our forefathers again this very day they would do it without hesitation. I am black and come from a legacy of familial separation, slavery and rape. My skin is not as dark as most West Africans, thanks to the slave masters who took the opportunity. My history starts on these shores. With the struggle to survive despite so much stacked against us, we became more than African: we became black.

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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89. "Yeah, because ALL of them did that."
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don't let a few fools disconnect u from the root.
Whole wars were started with the british once some
Africans found out what they were really doing with
slaves so get ur history str8.

>Who found, kidnapped, captured, defeated and ultimately
sold
>us to the white man?

http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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103. "lmao"
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thanks to slavemasters!

  

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75. "well said"
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nm

  

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79. "goodness gracious that was fantastic"
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*standing ovation*

  

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85. "How should I credit you when I repost this on other sites Sister?"
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87. "queen sister sho nuff"
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86. "great post n/m"
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99. "Beautiful"
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
"Once upon a time, little need existed for making the distinction between a nigga and a black—at least not in this country, the place where niggas were invented" -- Donnell A

  

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102. "LATE but SPEAK THAT TRUTH"
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Get Out the Room
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104. "*applauds*"
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105. "co-sign...could not have said it better."
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-T
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78. "wow, you're killin it"
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44. "lol @ the chicken reference. chicken just HAD to be brought"
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up, didn't it? lol

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54. "I was telling my friends the other day about the beef i have with labels"
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african american
mexican american
asian american
native american

I'm sorry but alot of the african americans (descendants of slaves) have been here damn near just as long as white folks. why they get to be american and not anglo american, euro american? fuck that, we all americans. If you from africa and you move to US, well then yeah you african american. but if you been here as far back in your family tree that you can find then you just american.

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56. "I'm Black..not African-American. "
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57. "where country is your family from?"
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65. "The US."
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59. "my two cents"
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1) i don't have preference. at howard i remember an article where the author said sometimes they chose by if they were writing a paper, black was better, less letters to type than african american.

2) when in africa a white person asked me who i felt closer to africans or americans (white). my honest response was i feel a certain amount of disconnect from both.

3) africans don't really see us as african. i had a coworker who was scottish and he said the same about scottish in austrailia. he said a guy was like hey i am scottish, and he was like no, no you aren't. i then asked a african coworker if he thought of me as african, and he said the same, no, no you aren't.

4) i choose to differentiate because, i believe that blacks in america have our own rich culture with tons of achievements.

5) we been here longer than most whites. most whites arrived just prior to the civil war and after. up till the wwwII. we been here for over two hundert years, wild hunnids.

  

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63. "just wanna give a shout out 2 flora"
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she made that post her bitch

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67. "lol peace peace"
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68. "post 52 should b anchored 4 the next time this topic comes up imo"
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71. "but, eyez MULATTO"
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73. "Let Malcom speak on it..."
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http://youtu.be/cj7YVglMh6c

  

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76. "niggas look @ me funny when I say nigga cuz I got dat good hair"
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84. "Oh you mean you have that nappy rugged beautiful AFRIKAAN hair?"
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Why would that make people look at you funny?

  

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80. "This should be anchored and eventually archived for #52"
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Black History Month message of the year.

  

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82. "these days i avoid these discussions but flora made it worth it"
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i actually have no problem with people not wanting to be called af-am.
i just often find their reasons to be silly like the poster that said something about not being as dark as most West Africans. there's at least three types of stupid in that line of thought...lol

  

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92. "^^^"
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i pretty much avoided this post, but checked
it on chike's recommendation.

and i'm glad i did.

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83. "eh...i was ready to scoff but i can understand it."
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honestly i feel like those "black" people feel.

but i really dont care if i'm ID'd as black or af-am.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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88. "Blackness supersedes & thats all i have to say "
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show me the country of Africa ill be glad to go visit one day

til then. im Black. we Black. the descendents of enslaved Africans, here in this country for hundreds of years.

doesnt mean i dont recognize my ancient heritage DOES mean that im more in touch w/ the here & now

which is Blackness

  

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90. "long ass article and not close to my viewpoint. Black/af-am is "
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interchangeable to me. one does not negate the other.

i'm mostly Black. fuck that lowercase shit. i used to argue with my editor about that. fuck the MLA and all that. i'm Black.

African-American was created for a reason. lots of folks who was aight with being 'black' had big prollems with being 'African', because WE are not immune to stereotypes, either. our history in this country, with all of our contributions is immeasurable. however, ignoring the myriad contributions that our ancestors made on the mother continent would be myopic and almost culturally genocidal. you can't understand african americans (e.g., 'Blacks') without understanding Africa.

my wife don't particularly care for the term for a whole other reason. what country is africa, again? zactly. that is a huge ass continent. its borderline disrespectful to lump all of its peoples and cultures together. how much affinity does someone from bangalore have with someone from beijing, just because they share a continent?

i'm more sanguine about it... we claim the continent b/c that's all we got (thanks, massas!)

my only contention with african american, despite its good intentions, is that it connects us to the continent at the cost of disconnecting us from the diaspora.

you get here, white niggas is treating you as 'black', regardless of whether you hail from haiti, congo, sao paolo, south central, or schnectady.

of course i read that article before peeping that it came from foxnews. so of course the only niggas they interviewed was on some 'i ain't african' shit.




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91. "make sure not to miss out on flora's gold, esp. #52"
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93. "whats it got to do w/ being Black? nm"
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100. "um the evidence points to poetx and I agreeing on "Black""
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so there was no need for me to say anything about that to him.

-he likes "Black" but is fine with "African American" and sees its value
-based on the one thing he says he doesn't like about "African American," I doubt he would fight over whether to exclude non-Americans from "Black"

  

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106. "yea i agree I think people fail to understand the issues "
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that people have with this term...i don't really think they have anything to do with what this article is saying for the most part.

i had wrote a long ass reply to this post awhile ago but deleted it

it's not like the term African American is one that's been around forever. I actually remember when it was first used (in the mainstream). I was very young (maybe 7-8) but I recall it because the teachers at my school had a major issue with it and we had a lot of dialogue about it (i went to a very "culture happy" school)

it's interesting to read peoples opinions in this post because a lot of their reasoning for why people should use the term are the exact same things that had people not wanting to use it.

but yea i don't really care either way. I will say that I think it's funny/cute/etc how terms like this don't become "official" until they are included in standardized tests/forms/etc aka the white man gives us a new name lol

but imma chill



>interchangeable to me. one does not negate the other.
>
>i'm mostly Black. fuck that lowercase shit. i used to argue
>with my editor about that. fuck the MLA and all that. i'm
>Black.
>
>African-American was created for a reason. lots of folks who
>was aight with being 'black' had big prollems with being
>'African', because WE are not immune to stereotypes, either.
>our history in this country, with all of our contributions is
>immeasurable. however, ignoring the myriad contributions that
>our ancestors made on the mother continent would be myopic and
>almost culturally genocidal. you can't understand african
>americans (e.g., 'Blacks') without understanding Africa.
>
>my wife don't particularly care for the term for a whole other
>reason. what country is africa, again? zactly. that is a huge
>ass continent. its borderline disrespectful to lump all of its
>peoples and cultures together. how much affinity does someone
>from bangalore have with someone from beijing, just because
>they share a continent?
>
>i'm more sanguine about it... we claim the continent b/c
>that's all we got (thanks, massas!)
>
>my only contention with african american, despite its good
>intentions, is that it connects us to the continent at the
>cost of disconnecting us from the diaspora.
>
>you get here, white niggas is treating you as 'black',
>regardless of whether you hail from haiti, congo, sao paolo,
>south central, or schnectady.
>
>of course i read that article before peeping that it came from
>foxnews. so of course the only niggas they interviewed was on
>some 'i ain't african' shit.
>
>
>
>
>peace & blessings,
>
>x.
>
>www.twitter.com/poetx
>
>=========================================
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94. "no matter how many generations removed..."
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I will ALWAYS be African. I will instill this into my children's heads as well.

  

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95. "hey...what country is Africa? point it out to me"
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i wanna fly into Africa.

is the capital of Africa...Africa City?

etc


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96. "who said anything about an African country?"
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what exactly are you going on about?

  

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101. "where is this Africa? be specific."
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point to it on the map.
does it have a UN delegation?
whose in charge in Africa?

like...define the shit. dont be mad @ me for asking you to be specific ant something you gonna teach your kids abt

what are you gonna teach em abt this place they come from?


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108. "i think it'd be quite sad...."
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if you couldn't find Africa on a map.

  

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97. "Aint a question for me. I'm Jamaican-American. "
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If there is an option for Black, I'll choose it.

I'm not African-American. If that's the only option I see to represent blackness, I'm choosing "other."

To me it's more an ethnic thing than disassociation with Africa.

I fully embrace Africa but I think it's confusing to have have terms that indicate orgin in a clear manner.

"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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98. "I don't like either actually."
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110. "Aint no such thing as a BLACK person"
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or white. If you see someone who has either of these skin colors. You better run the other way!

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112. "Black is a perfectly valid identity and it doesnt mean u r "
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ashamed or dont acknowledge ur African roots and culture

for me both are acceptable but i see Black as more representing my more immediate identity and heritage and African American as representing my rich cultural legacy and links to a time before

Black is fam in mississippi, and alabama, and the great migration, and jazz and blues and soul food, and hip hop, and langston hughes and zora neale hurston and ann petry, nella larson, its The Divine Nine and Jayne Kennedy and Don Cornelius

i also often associate African American with forms and media and press

Black is also more inclusive to me because even if u arent a direct descendent of Africans bought to this country u can still be Black, biggie was Black and tamia is Black, as the participated and embraced as their own Black American culture, same with Obama

and its so funny how no one presses American citizens of Jamaican or Nigerian etc descent to id as African American when they like us are descendants of African that are now Americans

both r fine but ppl really need to stop saying just because you ID as Black means u dont love and appreciate being a descendant of Africa

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113. "let me ask you more about what you're saying here"
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>Black is also more inclusive to me because even if u arent a
>direct descendent of Africans bought to this country u can
>still be Black, biggie was Black and tamia is Black, as the
>participated and embraced as their own Black American culture,
>same with Obama

I've heard people say that they don't like "African American" because it roots them in America whereas "Black" is worldwide, and it of course blows my mind that you then have folks like Bin trying to argue the opposite (that Black = what's in America).

But I can't tell if you're taking the position I just described or if you're closer to Bin. What does embracing an American culture have to do with being "Black"? If that's what makes you "Black", why is it any more inclusive than "African American", since "African American" at least makes it upfront that an American culture is what's at stake?

  

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blkprinceMD05
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Mon Feb-27-12 02:42 PM

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117. "Black=Black American to me"
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and there is also a worldwide blackness that Blacks are also a part of

the diff between what i gather about bin's outlook and my own is that i think ppl from other parts of the African diaspora that are living in this country are absorbed or at least blended in Blackness the longer there time here

kinda like how italian and irish immigrants in the early 20th century eventually became White yet they still value and honor their unique national culture

a more personal example is that of one of my cousins and his wife (who came here from nigeria when she was 5 and was raised in from what i can tell a very nigeria (igbo) household). she cooks with soul food and american staples with the rest of the women in my fam at thanksgiving, calls in dc area Black slang with my cousin, named her sons traditional Black american names (ty and clarence). she definitely honors her nigerian roots and her parents are very active in her childrens life but to me she practices and lives Black culture, just like other girls raised in the dc metro

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Mon Feb-27-12 02:37 PM

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115. "if i'm reading this correctly (and please let me know) you're "
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kinda saying Black is your immediate family, the diaspora is your cousins an'em, africa is your granny & grandpa and everybody's welcome at the family reunion.

lol...or maybe thats just me.
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Mon Feb-27-12 02:43 PM

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118. "lol honestly that works, good analogy"
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and i still respect and honor the WHOLE family but Black is my close kin

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119. "Gotdamn, flora's cogent argument is LAID, like a good weave. "
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Ironically, though, I can't wait to use it against the next Nigerian who tries to say I'm not African. lol

  

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120. "i was recently called akata by a nigerian"
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who was trying to be funny, not knowing i'd know what it mean

basically this was the convo

eritrean acquaintance: iyo, this is lauren, she's really cool, knows a lot about african

nigerian: oh so she is choice akata, huh?

me: really? you're so rude that you call people akata to their face?

nigerian: wait. im sorry. you know what it means? oh my god. i'm both sorry and intrigued. can i buy you a drink my friend?

me: nigga fuck you.

then about 10 minutes later i calmed down a bit and had an educational conversation with him about how it's not very funny to call us 'tribeless' when as i've pointed out here, we have the same ancestry

it seemed like it hadnt even occured to him

probably still calls me akata under his breath though

  

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122. "Smh, some of them be so disrespectful. With the last Nigerian I dated, "
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we had a discussion about why some of his people look down on African-Americans. He said that many of them are rightfully offended when we claim that we're African, when people who are truly African have a rich heritage and customs and way of thinking--grounded in a specific African nation--that they take part in everyday. He said that for Af-Ams to say they are African is to devalue the term and the culture.

I respectfully conceded his point, since he is directly from the motherland.

But if I had that moment again, I think I would tell him to go fuck himself. lol

  

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121. "please do"
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>Ironically, though, I can't wait to use it against the next
>Nigerian who tries to say I'm not African. lol

  

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123. ""There really is no blackman"
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in the exact sense of the word. The Negro's color in actual fact verges on brown"(African Origin Of Civilization, p.48, Cheikh Anta Diop).

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