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show your work
on another board
it's 45 pages of responses
tryin' to justify both answers as right or wrong
p.e.m.d.a.s. weeps

Poll result (163 votes)
2 (110 votes)Vote
288 (53 votes)Vote

  

  

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Apr 10th 2011
1
post should've ended here
Apr 11th 2011
381
its wrong tho.
Apr 11th 2011
384
and this from a potential doctoral candidate. i'm not mad
Apr 11th 2011
502
im so proud of you! 1st response and correct. bravo abby.
Apr 11th 2011
518
Apr 10th 2011
2
^^^^
Apr 10th 2011
6
stick to workin' out and nutrition, cuz
Apr 10th 2011
7
      LOL......*sigh*
Apr 10th 2011
11
      Ha!!! This shit is going wild hunnid 3x over god
Apr 10th 2011
13
good grief.
Apr 10th 2011
3
We were here n/m
Apr 10th 2011
4
have you seen this posted elsewhere?
Apr 10th 2011
31
(48/2) x (9+3) = 288
Apr 10th 2011
5
Kinda(inbox)
Apr 10th 2011
8
      ha, nevermind
Apr 10th 2011
19
Apr 10th 2011
9
ohhhhhh
Apr 10th 2011
16
winner. worked both ways too. nicely done.
Apr 10th 2011
30
question
Apr 10th 2011
50
RE: question
Apr 10th 2011
63
RE: question
Apr 10th 2011
66
      gotcha
Apr 10th 2011
73
Right. A good rule to always go by is jumping into the parenthesis
Apr 11th 2011
270
agreed
Apr 11th 2011
392
i see this post is gonna separate the smart okps from the dumb ones
Apr 10th 2011
10
lol bblock.. what did you do to okp!!!
Apr 11th 2011
477
that's bullshit, 'cuz we got former lawyers and doctoral candidates
Apr 11th 2011
546
i shoulda come to this post earlier
Apr 11th 2011
630
OoO
Apr 10th 2011
12
little did we know
Apr 12th 2011
920
2
Apr 10th 2011
14
^^^
Apr 10th 2011
22
those are terms not variables. how can 48 vary?
Apr 11th 2011
147
      I realize I used the wrong terms...
Apr 11th 2011
421
           lol i just wanted to get in on the fun, i dont really care
Apr 11th 2011
433
please excuse my dear aunt sally
Apr 10th 2011
15
base.
Apr 10th 2011
17
Yep...what I was gone drop.
Apr 10th 2011
20
google calculator says it's 288. however, when i did it initially i did
Apr 10th 2011
23
of course you did....
Apr 10th 2011
29
      lolol
Apr 11th 2011
568
order of operations
Apr 10th 2011
26
This is how i was taught
Apr 11th 2011
426
We called that shit BODMAS.
Apr 10th 2011
49
i was just gonna post this
Apr 10th 2011
83
Push Eddie Murphy Down A Staircase (c) hs math teacher
Apr 11th 2011
128
      please educate many dunces after school
Apr 11th 2011
157
           pu$$y excites my dick and shit
Apr 11th 2011
428
                lol I did the same shit
Apr 11th 2011
632
                Girls, Boys, Don't Fuck Always <-- treble clef scale, middle school
Apr 11th 2011
691
....wow
Apr 10th 2011
18
.
Apr 10th 2011
24
2
Apr 10th 2011
21
That settles it.
Apr 11th 2011
730
Apr 10th 2011
25
Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally......
Apr 10th 2011
27
Yup
Apr 11th 2011
462
it's 2, 48 is the numerator
Apr 10th 2011
28
Naw
Apr 10th 2011
making it a fraction implies parentheses, though.
Apr 11th 2011
131
     
Apr 11th 2011
204
multiplication doesn't take precedence over division
Apr 10th 2011
32
Apr 10th 2011
33
I felt really dumb for thinking "2" and then seeing the 1st 3 responses
Apr 10th 2011
34
lol. we aren't the only ones. take a look:
Apr 10th 2011
36
Me too. I was second guessed myself for a moment...
Apr 10th 2011
60
Lol, me too
Apr 11th 2011
736
LMAO, ya'll some olodos
Apr 10th 2011
35
parentheses and then multiplication dumb ass
Apr 10th 2011
37
      Read what i wrote
Apr 10th 2011
39
           i did. parenthesis ARE first. but division comes after multiplication
Apr 10th 2011
41
               
Apr 10th 2011
43
                     the 48 and the 2 are not in the parenthesis though
Apr 10th 2011
45
                     if you gon multple how do you NOT add parenthesis?
Apr 10th 2011
55
                          why do you need to?
Apr 10th 2011
57
                          RE: why do you need to?
Apr 10th 2011
61
                               answer is still 2
Apr 10th 2011
65
                                    RE: answer is still 2
Apr 10th 2011
69
                                    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hover-hand
Apr 10th 2011
74
                                         well played. nm
Apr 10th 2011
77
                                         lol i never heard of hover hand before
Apr 10th 2011
88
                                    RE: answer is still 2
Apr 11th 2011
278
                          fam. you are dumb.
Apr 10th 2011
67
                     there is only one set of parenthesis tho.
Apr 10th 2011
46
                     ...i'll say this tho
Apr 10th 2011
71
                     SEE: #373.
Apr 11th 2011
374
Depends if that's what I owe or how much I want from you
Apr 10th 2011
38
;-) *fist bump*
Apr 10th 2011
42
BODMAS =
Apr 10th 2011
40
umm...
Apr 12th 2011
839
so much misinformation in one post
Apr 10th 2011
44
so much misinformation in one post= the okp way
Apr 10th 2011
48
How does THIS Thread pop off on a Sunday night tho?
Apr 10th 2011
52
And it's such adamant misinformation, too.
Apr 10th 2011
75
http://web2.0calc.com/
Apr 10th 2011
47
The Asian says 2.
Apr 10th 2011
51
^post over
Apr 10th 2011
54
Asian is wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
160
Apr 10th 2011
53
lol people don't understand the distinction.. they think its the same!
Apr 11th 2011
309
Wow... I re-did the problem replacing 2 with X to explain this BUT
Apr 10th 2011
56
yep
Apr 10th 2011
58
How in the world are you seeing 288 as a legitimate answer?
Apr 10th 2011
72
      #68 and
Apr 10th 2011
78
      Exactly...If there are people that LOVE physics...
Apr 10th 2011
82
      If you use p.e.m.d.a.s./BODMAS...
Apr 10th 2011
79
           After going to the replay booth, my decision is overturned LOL
Apr 10th 2011
84
                But here is the thing...
Apr 10th 2011
97
                     But you need to work from left to right...
Apr 11th 2011
116
                          lmmfao... man
Apr 11th 2011
120
i've waited my entire internet life to quote this song in context!
Apr 10th 2011
59
excellent!
Apr 10th 2011
62
hahahaha.
Apr 11th 2011
721
RE: i've waited my entire internet life to quote this song in context!
Apr 11th 2011
748
Its amazing that this is even a debate.....
Apr 10th 2011
64
The correct answer is:
Apr 10th 2011
68
I have no idea how 400 more replies came after this
Apr 11th 2011
437
CORRECT
Apr 12th 2011
863
the question sucks
Apr 10th 2011
70
I dont really see how this would be an understandable mistake:
Apr 10th 2011
81
Damn. I'm glad my parents didn't send me to public school.
Apr 10th 2011
76
no ma'am, public school is NOT to blame
Apr 10th 2011
85
      C'mon man. U can't even get passed the 5th grade without knowing
Apr 10th 2011
92
So to the people who think 48 / 2 * 12 = 2,
Apr 10th 2011
80
it...does...
Apr 10th 2011
86
You don't have to rub it in LOL
Apr 10th 2011
87
apples and oranges.
Apr 10th 2011
90
RE: apples and oranges.
Apr 10th 2011
94
no because the parenthesis changes the order of operations...
Apr 11th 2011
103
*sigh* okay, how about 5 - 3 + (1+1)?
Apr 10th 2011
99
      excpet that the way the original problem is written..
Apr 11th 2011
107
           I don't know what makes you think the 2 is inside the parentheses.
Apr 11th 2011
114
                i didn't say that...
Apr 11th 2011
123
                     No. You are *interpreting* the whole denominator as 2(9+3).
Apr 11th 2011
127
                          RE: No. You are *interpreting* the whole denominator as 2(9+3).
Apr 11th 2011
132
                               *sigh* I'm not gonna go there.
Apr 11th 2011
144
                                    like KCPlayer...
Apr 11th 2011
145
                                         It's not a right vs. wrong thing.
Apr 11th 2011
167
                                              No, the answer is that you're wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
180
Check this link.....
Apr 10th 2011
93
Agreed.
Apr 11th 2011
104
      See post #105
Apr 11th 2011
108
you see, this shit is why i majored in history
Apr 10th 2011
96
You know? Nobody's using these formulas in "real life" anyway
Apr 11th 2011
168
yeah, you have a point
Apr 10th 2011
100
more ammo:
Apr 11th 2011
109
      LOL, this is the same link I just posted.....
Apr 11th 2011
110
           haha, didn't see you posted it
Apr 11th 2011
118
LOL. That has nothing to do with the problem BB presented
Apr 11th 2011
172
I don't think you're taking this seriously.
Apr 11th 2011
179
      No, you're inability to answer a question has rattled your self esteem.
Apr 11th 2011
182
           The only "obscure rule" anyone has brought up in here
Apr 11th 2011
189
                No, but apparently I understand mathematics better than you do.
Apr 11th 2011
190
                     You've already indicated that you think multiplication precedes division
Apr 11th 2011
198
                          LOL -- No, I didn't, and no, you're wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
206
                               Now you're copping pleas.
Apr 11th 2011
214
                                    Exactly... His logic only leads down one road...
Apr 11th 2011
217
                                         He's just trolling, there's no reason to even argue with him.
Apr 11th 2011
222
                                              LOL. Weird then, that I got the problem right, and you wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
224
                                              If you were reading it properly, you'd be reading it consistent with
Apr 11th 2011
226
                                                   LOL -- which rules? The wrong rules?
Apr 11th 2011
                                                        That is not the problem.
Apr 11th 2011
236
                                                             LOL. "Obscure rule" = O_E's basic, correct logic.
Apr 11th 2011
241
                                                                  Oh, now I don't even know what an operator is.
Apr 11th 2011
248
                                                                       "shut smooth the fuck down" status
Apr 11th 2011
252
                                                                       You worked pretty hard for that wrong explanation.
Apr 11th 2011
258
                                                                            You haven't explained a damn thing,
Apr 11th 2011
263
                                                                                 Temper, temper.
Apr 11th 2011
266
                                                                                 The parentheses are there to force you to add the 9 to the 3.
Apr 11th 2011
274
                                                                                 LOL.
Apr 11th 2011
276
                                                                                 That makes me right.
Apr 11th 2011
281
                                                                                 LOL. It also makes you a flip-flopping liar that got exposed
Apr 11th 2011
420
                                              The problem is that most people don't see where the debate is...
Apr 11th 2011
228
                                                   LOL. Translation: O_E is correct, but let's be mad at him anyway.
Apr 11th 2011
232
                                                        No... You're wrong and here's where you FIRST explained yourself(link)
Apr 11th 2011
235
                                                             Nah. You just admitted that I was correct.
Apr 11th 2011
lol. dude...that is not the same
Apr 11th 2011
242
It's very much the same.
Apr 11th 2011
253
I guess cats are reading it as 48 / (2 * 12), which would yield 2
Apr 11th 2011
365
try using an example with division, genius. completely different.
Apr 11th 2011
646
this is such a fuckin fun thread :-)
Apr 10th 2011
89
i came out of lurking to set this straight
Apr 10th 2011
91
:-) :-) :-) :-) THIS IS SUCH A FUCKIN FUN THREAD
Apr 10th 2011
95
It is... So much so I retract my troll comment from my other thread
Apr 10th 2011
101
      my nerd radar went off so i had to go ham
Apr 11th 2011
106
           I personal subscribe to your school of thought
Apr 11th 2011
113
           and here's the thing, i'm a nerd but numbers make me nervous...
Apr 11th 2011
117
                That's the problem...
Apr 11th 2011
130
                     ;-)
Apr 11th 2011
141
                          I tend to be open if you can explain it...
Apr 11th 2011
150
I'll admit to this subtlety:
Apr 11th 2011
111
exactly. i've screwed up a couple of homework problems
Apr 11th 2011
417
and that's what i'm saying..
Apr 11th 2011
119
2. The mulitiplication implied by the parentheses trumps all nm
Apr 11th 2011
359
      ^^^
Apr 11th 2011
638
      EXACTLY
Apr 11th 2011
654
google calculator says 288. texas instrument calculator says 2.
Apr 10th 2011
98
I'm in the same boat
Apr 11th 2011
102
One more reason nobody should use TI calculators.
Apr 11th 2011
115
      in hs there was a guy with a casio
Apr 11th 2011
357
Hopefully this helps everyone out.....
Apr 11th 2011
105
VICTORY IS OURS!!!!!!!
Apr 11th 2011
112
now let's recalculate the economy :-)
Apr 11th 2011
121
Well if some rickety site on the internet says it, it must be true.
Apr 11th 2011
124
Its 48 divided by the equation 2(9+3).....
Apr 11th 2011
129
RE: Its 48 divided by the equation 2(9+3).....
Apr 11th 2011
134
      Actually its just the opposite....
Apr 11th 2011
137
           Then what does 48*(0.5)*12 equal?
Apr 11th 2011
140
LOL
Apr 11th 2011
135
I mean. Ppl don't know that?
Apr 11th 2011
126
I mean its the rules of math, how do you even debate this?
Apr 11th 2011
133
      I guess it's debatable if u don't know it's a rule.
Apr 11th 2011
142
           I remember PEMDAS... I remember left to right...
Apr 11th 2011
409
Was there a rule change I wasn't informed about?
Apr 11th 2011
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Apr 11th 2011
382
There is only one answer, and it's 288.
Apr 11th 2011
122
If you take out the goofy ass division symbol....
Apr 11th 2011
125
Yes, but you could also do it correctly, and write the expression like:
Apr 11th 2011
136
      Agreeing to disagree at this point.....
Apr 11th 2011
138
      My rule of thumb is to go with the advanced physicist
Apr 11th 2011
149
      Well, notation is absolutely something you can debate.
Apr 11th 2011
151
      AMS disagrees
Apr 11th 2011
148
           Well, that's not AMS, that's one particular journal.
Apr 11th 2011
155
                i hear you
Apr 11th 2011
165
I'm gonna post this equation on my Facebook tomorrow.....
Apr 11th 2011
139
Over 300 posts guaranteed, props buildingblock lol
Apr 11th 2011
143
"I am a hustla baby / I sell water to a whale/well"
Apr 11th 2011
146
My final thoughts on this "debate"......
Apr 11th 2011
152
RE: My final thoughts on this "debate"......
Apr 11th 2011
154
I have no idea what you're even talking about here.
Apr 11th 2011
158
RE: I have no idea what you're even talking about here.
Apr 11th 2011
162
      Isn't that what we've been doing all along?
Apr 11th 2011
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      I don't think you understand what you're saying here.
Apr 11th 2011
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           No, there's not. There is one right answer.
Apr 11th 2011
181
           Argue the point with Google.
Apr 11th 2011
193
                Appeals to reputation. How very non-mathematical of you.
Apr 11th 2011
194
                     Remember when BB said to "show your work."
Apr 11th 2011
202
                          LOL. This is pathetic.
Apr 11th 2011
216
                               Oh, so now mathematical expressions have feelings...
Apr 11th 2011
225
                               *shrugs* I mean, don't be mad at me for you being wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
230
                               Left to right is the rule. You're going off emotions.
Apr 11th 2011
229
                                    Don't build bridges for a living.
Apr 11th 2011
237
           you're a dumb person
Apr 11th 2011
648
                ^^OOOHH SSHHIIIT MY NIGGA BASA WITH A CAMEOO!!!
Apr 11th 2011
735
look at my response I explained your confusion below..
Apr 11th 2011
159
It's 2. Why is this an argument?
Apr 11th 2011
153
It's an argument because there are two existing interpretations
Apr 11th 2011
161
      The answer is 2. You need to just admit it and k.i.m.
Apr 11th 2011
169
      Oh, great. Just the guy we need.
Apr 11th 2011
176
           You're wrong and its funny to see you fight it.
Apr 11th 2011
178
      I think it's crazy that people don't see the debate
Apr 11th 2011
171
           There is no debate. You are all just wrong and won't admit it.
Apr 11th 2011
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                Is 2(9+3) the same thing as 2*(9+3)?
Apr 11th 2011
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                Brackets have nothing to do with it. You guys are just wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
177
                I think you're completely dense if you can't see the argument
Apr 11th 2011
183
                You know you're arguing for us, now, right?
Apr 11th 2011
184
                     Lmao... He doesn't even see the problem... omg
Apr 11th 2011
186
                     Actually, no. It doesn't matter. The answer is 2 either way.
Apr 11th 2011
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                          You're wrong in your work
Apr 11th 2011
195
                          LOL. This is math. There is no "precedence," Archimedes.
Apr 11th 2011
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                               Do you even read what you write?
Apr 11th 2011
205
                               LOL. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                    Forget about division because apparently it is a tough concept for you
Apr 11th 2011
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                                         wait...
Apr 11th 2011
215
                                              They are equivalent. He's just trying to cop pleas for being wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                              I fixed the typo. Now find the flaw in the logic
Apr 11th 2011
221
                                              RE: wait...
Apr 11th 2011
220
                                                   LOL. Kick and scream all you want.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                        How is it "kicking and screaming"...
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                             You already admitted I was right, so just apologize for wasting my time....
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                  You switched your logic...
Apr 11th 2011
239
                                                                       LOL -- You can wish upon a star all you want.
Apr 11th 2011
243
                                                                       You're just troll n/m
Apr 11th 2011
245
                                                                       Its "correct troll" to you, Dr. Einstein.
Apr 11th 2011
247
                               this is exactly what i was trying to say but you said it better...
Apr 11th 2011
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                               No, you said it fine. Nerds are insecure and need to be screamed at.
Apr 11th 2011
211
                               It's all subject to methodology...
Apr 11th 2011
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                          So, you're just completely, totally misinformed, then?
Apr 11th 2011
196
                               "Check wikipedia."
Apr 11th 2011
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                                    See, again, either you're a complete dimwit, or you're trolling.
Apr 11th 2011
208
                                         100% honest -- If you can read an equation, you don't need PEMDAS.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                              What you're refusing to admit
Apr 11th 2011
218
                                                   LOL. I'm in the business of getting answers right.
Apr 11th 2011
223
                                                        ^^^Notice how nobody has touched this point. Its PURE ether.
Apr 11th 2011
283
                                                             No, it's just the same non-argument you've made dozens of other times
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                  No, you can't intelligently debate it. That's why.
Apr 11th 2011
286
                                                                       I'll repost my edit, to keep the notation clear:
Apr 11th 2011
288
                                                                            You're posting like its Weekend at Stravinskian's.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 Ooh, so now expressions have "emergent" properties.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 LOL. They aren't "emergent" to me. I'm trying to help you out.
Apr 11th 2011
297
                                                                                 You seem smart so I'm gonna assume you're just mad making now
Apr 11th 2011
301
                                                                                 shh... don't corner him, he'll take off
Apr 11th 2011
304
                                                                                 Take off? To where? Correct answer land?
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 Naw, to still cornered by #301 land
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 LOL @ "Cornered." You need to try harder.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 I'm not trying anything, someone else cornered you
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 Well, I just blasted my way out of that "Corner." LOL.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 and how
Apr 11th 2011
705
                                                                                 I'm the only one who has faced an essential truth here:
Apr 11th 2011
715
                RE: Is 2(9+3) the same thing as 2*(9+3)?
Apr 11th 2011
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                     uhm NO
Apr 12th 2011
860
                It's all in the methodology used...
Apr 11th 2011
185
                     No, there's no debate. You guys are wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
188
                          I'm certain you did the work wrong and got 2...
Apr 11th 2011
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                               No, I did the work correctly and got 2.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                    Based on your work and methodology you're wrong n/m
Apr 11th 2011
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the answer is 288... because its not a fraction...
Apr 11th 2011
156
Jesus christ. God help us. n/m
Apr 11th 2011
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Who ever came up with the question should just use some damn brackets
Apr 11th 2011
163
This is the saddest post I've ever read in my life. Good god.
Apr 11th 2011
166
Basically
Apr 11th 2011
199
I'ma lean towards what the niggas with DEGREES in math
Apr 11th 2011
238
I'm riding with 288 but I see the debate
Apr 11th 2011
240
*raises hand*
Apr 11th 2011
244
      ^^^Loud But Wrong Guy
Apr 11th 2011
246
      Weird how I got it right and used airtight logic, eh?
Apr 11th 2011
250
           Fool, you haven't proven your argument once LOL
Apr 11th 2011
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                No, you just don' t understand basic mathematics.
Apr 11th 2011
262
                     So you no longer believe that 2(9+3)=2*(9+3)?
Apr 11th 2011
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                          Nice way to dodge my argument
Apr 11th 2011
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      I've seen the two arguments. What's your degree in?
Apr 11th 2011
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           I have "math-related" degrees, but your logic is asinine.
Apr 11th 2011
255
                What was that major again?
Apr 11th 2011
259
                You remember that it was Richard Feynman who first figured out
Apr 11th 2011
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                     Yep. And Feynman made a career making fun of physicists.
Apr 11th 2011
264
                     He was also very good at knowing when he was right,
Apr 11th 2011
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                          Weird. You don't even have Richard Feynman down correctly.
Apr 11th 2011
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                               Oh, so now you know QED better than I do, too.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                    **Calls Insecurity Police**
Apr 11th 2011
282
                                         I'll take that as a concession.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                              LOL. I definitely concede that I'm less insecure than you are.
Apr 11th 2011
287
                                                   I guess when I'm arguing about evolution,
Apr 11th 2011
291
                                                        I can tell I struck a nerve with that one. Sorry about that.
Apr 11th 2011
295
                                                             You can be wrong about as many different things as you like.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                  Hmm. Yeah, you're definitely mad.
Apr 11th 2011
303
                                                                       Again, you haven't even attempted to argue why the number is 2.
Apr 11th 2011
305
                                                                            LOL. You actually programmed this in Matlab. LOL. LOL. LOL.
Apr 11th 2011
310
                                                                                 Stop avoiding #301 so we can get this over with
Apr 11th 2011
313
                                                                                 LOL. You ruined your chance with 301
Apr 11th 2011
316
                                                                                 LMAO!! Peace
Apr 11th 2011
317
                                                                                 Oh, so now there's two different kinds of division!
Apr 11th 2011
318
                                                                                 BWAHAHAHA...I just USED YOUR RULE AGAINST YOU...OH SHIT
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 Wow. You still don't understand how this works, do you?
Apr 11th 2011
325
                                                                                 Waitup...LOL...Oh shit...you killed yourself here, sparky.
Apr 11th 2011
326
                                                                                 Again, I've said from the beginning there's an argument either way,
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 Nah. Its clear now that you're a flip flopper and a liar.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                 Well, somebody else checked in Matlab, and the TI-84.
Apr 11th 2011
315
                                                                                      none of these things exist in correct answer land
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                      Hey. This is why I get questions right and you guys get them wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                      BWAHAHAHA!!! You thought you were gonna sneak that by me???
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                      Funny, my laptop doesn't have a "divided by" symbol.
Apr 11th 2011
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                                                                                      LOL. You just got caught flip flopping and lying.
Apr 11th 2011
327
                                                                                      Here you go repeating your speciousness again.
Apr 11th 2011
331
                                                                                      Ahhh. So basically you're a flip-floppper and a liar.
Apr 11th 2011
368
                     "And I showed him how to file his taxes"- Orbit_Established
Apr 11th 2011
265
Used three methods. I'm getting 288.
Apr 11th 2011
251
Supreme Lurker Status... lol
Apr 11th 2011
254
      RE: Supreme Lurker Status... lol
Apr 11th 2011
257
           That's where I'm at... I should be sleep
Apr 11th 2011
261
                You should be asleep. You're wrong, and I've explained why.
Apr 11th 2011
267
                     Troll be gone
Apr 11th 2011
269
                          You be mad.
Apr 11th 2011
277
                               naw son.... U mad n/m
Apr 11th 2011
280
Before I clicked I determined that it was "2".
Apr 11th 2011
273
O_E needs to post in GD more
Apr 11th 2011
289
only at night.
Apr 11th 2011
290
Yeah at least the boards would start moving again.
Apr 11th 2011
330
He is even more entertaining than usual in this one.
Apr 11th 2011
292
on a sunday night? lol
Apr 11th 2011
293
Apr 11th 2011
298
Apr 11th 2011
299
      wild pemdas
Apr 11th 2011
300
           RE: wild pemdas
Apr 11th 2011
388
lol.. i already explained this..
Apr 11th 2011
307
LOL. That is false.
Apr 11th 2011
311
Bartek... Understands the debate... I'm done with OKP
Apr 11th 2011
451
Basically
Apr 12th 2011
807
I hope none of you guys are engineers
Apr 11th 2011
328
I'm thinking that engineers would avoid confusion..
Apr 11th 2011
332
true...but still, the answer ain't two lol
Apr 11th 2011
334
If my gut says 2, the answer is 288
Apr 11th 2011
338
I'm an engineer. The answer is 2.
Apr 11th 2011
336
      lol....my brother is an engineer and he says the answer is 288
Apr 11th 2011
354
Wait 'til Poetx see this shit. I answered 2, felt badly
Apr 11th 2011
333
*LOL* at bout three people spending hours arguin the same points
Apr 11th 2011
335
who is picking blue?
Apr 11th 2011
337
Did you read the thread?
Apr 11th 2011
339
      Dude, I don't *know* math either, but I wasn't gonna get to 6th grade
Apr 11th 2011
348
      You're right. You and O_E would make a great couple.
Apr 11th 2011
352
           now there u go., I ain't say nuffin about being a couple.
Apr 11th 2011
355
      I could see the first five votes for blue....
Apr 11th 2011
432
Wow this was very good
Apr 11th 2011
340
Posts like this are why I come to OKP... n/m
Apr 11th 2011
341
And for the record, I'm on Team 2. n/m
Apr 11th 2011
358
FOIL
Apr 11th 2011
342
FOIL is for (a+b)(c+d)
Apr 11th 2011
lol, this isn't a polynomial or a fraction!!!
Apr 11th 2011
471
that's what i learned. nm
Apr 11th 2011
548
LOL
Apr 11th 2011
662
threads like these are what used to make this site great.
Apr 11th 2011
343
400 replies for a math problem
Apr 11th 2011
344
Archeive this poast!
Apr 11th 2011
345
Archive, obviously.
Apr 11th 2011
346
order of operations folks
Apr 11th 2011
347
I like this post. Will be back later with the boy.
Apr 11th 2011
349
One more thing:
Apr 11th 2011
350
This nigga D goes triple plat with a god damn MATH problem!
Apr 11th 2011
351
this post made me sad :(
Apr 11th 2011
353
soooooooo 288 is right, right? lol
Apr 11th 2011
356
It's 2. You multiply BEFORE you divide.
Apr 11th 2011
360
the 2's position commands that it be factored
Apr 11th 2011
361
      no u dont factor it because there is no variable.
Apr 11th 2011
362
           your answer would have been the same via factoring
Apr 11th 2011
369
           it doesn't matter that there is no variable.
Apr 11th 2011
375
damn this brought me way back...shoulda kept up on my math
Apr 11th 2011
363
i said 2...
Apr 11th 2011
364
ol carry the one ass niggas
Apr 11th 2011
366
There are 367 math experts in here.
Apr 11th 2011
367
This post was so stupid it hurt me. Please DON'T archive.
Apr 11th 2011
371
which means this post is TOTALLY getting archived
Apr 11th 2011
487
      absolutely
Apr 11th 2011
622
Waka Flocka Flame loves this post
Apr 11th 2011
372
the answer is 2 because of the distributive property
Apr 11th 2011
373
idk why people are dividing the 48
Apr 11th 2011
377
RE: idk why people are dividing the 48
Apr 11th 2011
379
      this is one of those problems that had 2 answers in the back of the book
Apr 11th 2011
387
           you're right. #105 broke it down in a way that i missed.
Apr 11th 2011
393
i agree the answer's 2, but your reasoning's wrong
Apr 11th 2011
738
      Implied brackets.
Apr 11th 2011
744
      The Answer Is 2 But The Reasoning Is Wrong is Killing Me
Apr 12th 2011
820
      i get that now. you are right.
Apr 12th 2011
842
the dummies in the post arent the ones arguing 2 or 288
Apr 11th 2011
376
RE: the dummies in the post arent the ones arguing 2 or 288
Apr 11th 2011
389
ARCHIVE
Apr 11th 2011
378
Wow, this is great
Apr 11th 2011
380
Why isn't there a division symbol on the keyboard?
Apr 11th 2011
383
coding
Apr 11th 2011
385
option + slash on a mac
Apr 11th 2011
739
that was some quality trolling O_E
Apr 11th 2011
386
I enjoyed this post ... and the correct answer is..
Apr 11th 2011
390
What? Um...no.
Apr 11th 2011
410
      Like I said before...
Apr 11th 2011
449
      I admit now... I was using PEMDAS incorrectly.
Apr 11th 2011
535
Somewhere else on the internet, people are laughing at all of you
Apr 11th 2011
391
Apr 11th 2011
397
      Proving that most people are stupid
Apr 11th 2011
404
so what is the correct answer?
Apr 11th 2011
394
288
Apr 11th 2011
396
2
Apr 11th 2011
398
The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
Apr 11th 2011
399
400000
Apr 11th 2011
400
^^^^^^
Apr 11th 2011
401
i'll be a lady & allow u to choose which color u'd like.
Apr 11th 2011
406
42
Apr 11th 2011
408
^^^^FUCKIN WIN!!!!
Apr 11th 2011
440
*and THIS is where i'll place my cosine** <-mafamatiks related spelling....
Apr 11th 2011
649
uhn??? show your work
Apr 12th 2011
866
Both bc the notation is ambigouos
Apr 11th 2011
414
i freakin' love this thread and this place....lol
Apr 11th 2011
395
777-9311
Apr 11th 2011
402
867-5309
Apr 11th 2011
442
      1-900-MIX-A-LOT
Apr 12th 2011
965
this is an embarassment
Apr 11th 2011
403
it is indeed. i'm showing this mess of post to my 9th graders.
Apr 12th 2011
819
      That you would show this post to 9th graders is the real problem
Apr 12th 2011
909
           what, asshead?
Apr 12th 2011
938
Who's smarter? You or the compiler?
Apr 11th 2011
405
Both answers are correct. The formula is poorly written.
Apr 11th 2011
407
RE: Both answers are correct. The formula is poorly written.
Apr 11th 2011
411
Exactly, that's all this is. They made a formula that looks like it's
Apr 11th 2011
418
nah, the answer is 2.
Apr 11th 2011
413
no, its really poor semantics
Apr 11th 2011
416
How it's read has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Apr 11th 2011
      Wow. You might want to edit.
Apr 11th 2011
427
      RE: How it's read has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Apr 11th 2011
447
           I agree...I was just responding to Promo who mentioned reading aloud
Apr 11th 2011
468
                You're wrong and ignored my post.
Apr 11th 2011
470
                     Sometimes, arguing with someone is a waste of time.
Apr 11th 2011
493
                          Translation: "I apologize, O_E."
Apr 11th 2011
501
And there you go... Another person that sees the debate...
Apr 11th 2011
460
I cannot compute math. My head would explode.
Apr 11th 2011
412
I am entertained.
Apr 11th 2011
415
thoroughly.
Apr 11th 2011
430
it's ambiguous
Apr 11th 2011
419
Its not ambiguous at all. People just aren't very bright.
Apr 11th 2011
423
      i see your point now.
Apr 11th 2011
431
     
Apr 11th 2011
435
           Can you find anything to back up your claim?
Apr 11th 2011
448
                it's all about the context clues that he's using.
Apr 11th 2011
453
                     There is no inference in a pure arithmetic problem...
Apr 11th 2011
457
                          it's ambiguous.
Apr 11th 2011
458
                          LOL @ "pure arithmetic" problem
Apr 11th 2011
469
      I don't know
Apr 11th 2011
434
           Nah. You can't be mad at the problem. Its just math.
Apr 11th 2011
436
                but you can be mad at the person who wrote it that way
Apr 11th 2011
438
                i'll say this much...
Apr 11th 2011
444
                     It might be amiguous, but I'm still right.
Apr 11th 2011
475
this is standard middle school math in both africa & asia
Apr 11th 2011
422
The correct answer is your avy.
Apr 11th 2011
RE: this is standard middle school math in both africa & asia
Apr 11th 2011
425
Its standard elementary school math in the USA
Apr 11th 2011
429
Please archive.
Apr 11th 2011
424
Apr 11th 2011
439
Apr 11th 2011
443
     
Apr 11th 2011
587
           I don't see what's so hard to get....
Apr 11th 2011
667
                why did you exchange the parenthesis for a multiplication sign????
Apr 12th 2011
853
STOP THE POLITICS OF DIVISION!
Apr 11th 2011
441
nice.
Apr 11th 2011
446
Divide and bicker
Apr 11th 2011
531
^ lol
Apr 11th 2011
732
I voted blue.
Apr 11th 2011
445
That's what I'm saying...
Apr 11th 2011
455
blue, the US FAILED in math...
Apr 11th 2011
523
2
Apr 11th 2011
450
To those of you citing calculators:
Apr 11th 2011
452
Again with this?
Apr 11th 2011
456
Or you could solve the problem as it's written instead of inferring
Apr 11th 2011
459
why would you give multiplication preference over division?
Apr 11th 2011
463
RE: why would you give multiplication preference over division?
Apr 11th 2011
464
I see what you're saying.
Apr 11th 2011
481
the poor notation is what confuses people. that's agreed.
Apr 11th 2011
510
pretty much
Apr 11th 2011
558
DIVISION COMES BEFORE MULTIPLICATION STUPID!
Apr 11th 2011
472
Well, you're wrong to both camps, cousin.
Apr 11th 2011
478
There is no other camp dude!!! LOL
Apr 11th 2011
489
RE: DIVISION COMES BEFORE MULTIPLICATION STUPID!
Apr 11th 2011
564
      RE: DIVISION COMES BEFORE MULTIPLICATION STUPID!
Apr 11th 2011
668
PEMDAS could just as well be PEDMSA.
Apr 11th 2011
747
Almost 500 replies... sheesh
Apr 11th 2011
454
what the fuck.
Apr 11th 2011
461
The distributive property...
Apr 11th 2011
465
It doesn't apply here
Apr 11th 2011
466
      Yes it does...
Apr 11th 2011
484
           No...it doesn't...
Apr 11th 2011
503
                RE: Yes it does...
Apr 11th 2011
526
                     you would be right if this were a polynomial.
Apr 11th 2011
532
                     you could express this problem as a polynomial.
Apr 11th 2011
583
                     RE: Yes it does...
Apr 11th 2011
538
Obviously, we need a NY OKP to head up to Harlem and get @ NGE
Apr 11th 2011
467
As written, the answer is 288, that is fact, there is no other answer.
Apr 11th 2011
473
I just marked your paper in red.
Apr 11th 2011
474
      Enlighten me then.
Apr 11th 2011
476
      Well, you got it wrong. Just deal with it, and K.I.M.
Apr 11th 2011
480
           I probably should keep it moving...
Apr 11th 2011
486
                LOL. And you just wrote the problem wrong again.
Apr 11th 2011
492
      Dude, your ego is in the way of learning.
Apr 11th 2011
479
           Word. It's pretty simple.
Apr 11th 2011
483
           Basically.. but notation with the / on the comp is confusing..
Apr 11th 2011
494
               
Apr 11th 2011
505
                     Hahaha now you're just making shit up?
Apr 11th 2011
515
                          Oh, so we've resorted to lying. I would lie if I was you too.
Apr 11th 2011
519
           LOL -- except for the fact that you're wrong and I'm right.
Apr 11th 2011
485
                Whatever bro. I'm not going to debate with your ego.
Apr 11th 2011
490
                     Eh, I ain't the one credential dropping and inventing shit.
Apr 11th 2011
495
                          You're a life problem bro.
Apr 11th 2011
504
                               Being right? Yep. Gets me into trouble all of the time.
Apr 11th 2011
507
                                    you get in trouble becuase you leave the ice cream out retard. nm
Apr 11th 2011
517
                                         I'd be mad if I was you too.
Apr 11th 2011
521
this post is outstanding
Apr 11th 2011
482
All the people that I find to be reasonably intelligent are going blue
Apr 11th 2011
491
      awww thanks validation at its FINEST
Apr 11th 2011
528
           Most of the people getting 2 are utilizing incorrect logic...
Apr 11th 2011
537
                All of the people using 288 didn't read the question properly.
Apr 11th 2011
554
                     Stop trolling n/m
Apr 11th 2011
562
niggas bout to argue for over 500 replies & ain't seen nil penny from it...
Apr 11th 2011
488
Apr 11th 2011
496
Apr 11th 2011
497
     
Apr 11th 2011
498
          
Apr 11th 2011
499
                wild hunnids
Apr 11th 2011
500
                     You broke okp. What do you have to say for yourself?!
Apr 11th 2011
506
everybody that is saying "multipication before division" is wrong.
Apr 11th 2011
508
They wont care
Apr 11th 2011
509
Or, you could read the problem correctly, and avoid all of that.
Apr 11th 2011
512
But this isn't a "viewing" problem.
Apr 11th 2011
513
      Weird. Now you're arguing something different.
Apr 11th 2011
516
      You don't have to read it out loud if you're doing it correctly.
Apr 11th 2011
520
           LOL. The problem is written for people who can't use fractions. LOL
Apr 11th 2011
524
                Doesn't matter who it's written for "LOL LOL LOL"
Apr 11th 2011
530
                    
Apr 11th 2011
567
                          Written proof of this from someone way smarter than you...
Apr 11th 2011
574
                               Dodging the answer, I see.
Apr 11th 2011
623
                                    Right here, correctly might I add.
Apr 11th 2011
655
                                         I accept your apology, dog.
Apr 11th 2011
680
                                              That's your written proof dummy?
Apr 11th 2011
687
                                                   Rage, rage, against the wrongness of your math.
Apr 11th 2011
713
                                                        You're yet to prove it wrong!
Apr 12th 2011
770
      yes, it is.
Apr 11th 2011
575
           That's entirely different from parentheses.
Apr 11th 2011
582
                the problem can be expressed using polynomials.
Apr 11th 2011
588
                     But the parentheses make all the difference.
Apr 11th 2011
I got 288
Apr 11th 2011
511
You both got it wrong. n/m
Apr 11th 2011
514
      U need to go back to math class
Apr 11th 2011
525
           Definitely. To teach.
Apr 11th 2011
529
                You're getting more stupid by the second
Apr 11th 2011
534
this post is INCREDIBLE
Apr 11th 2011
522
isn't it?
Apr 11th 2011
527
WE CAN'T ARCHIVE UNTIL POETX AND TOHUNGA GET IN
Apr 11th 2011
533
SHIT shockzilla needs to come in and clown folks for a *GOOD*
Apr 11th 2011
557
      Exactly.
Apr 11th 2011
576
lmao, O_E is killing folks in here
Apr 11th 2011
lmao, O_E is killing folks in here
Apr 11th 2011
536
I found this interesting... and the answer is probably 288
Apr 11th 2011
539
The second one has set up the problem correctly.
Apr 11th 2011
541
I have said this about 3 times already.. its all about the notation.
Apr 11th 2011
543
      *BACKTRACKING ALERT*
Apr 11th 2011
550
           "The old division sign" is hilarious!
Apr 11th 2011
560
                *Record Scratch*
Apr 11th 2011
570
                     The fuck do you know about what's used before and after 3rd grade?
Apr 11th 2011
                          You're Harlem shaking around the question.
Apr 11th 2011
626
                               Haha because calling a division sign
Apr 11th 2011
661
                                    LOL. You're not even trying anymore.
Apr 11th 2011
676
It's 288. Order of operation.
Apr 11th 2011
540
O_E using this argument too.
Apr 11th 2011
545
      LOL @ "different."
Apr 11th 2011
549
     
Apr 11th 2011
553
           LOL. Same way that X(Y) and X*Y CAN change a problem.
Apr 11th 2011
561
               
Apr 11th 2011
565
                     Yeah, you sound flustered at this point.
Apr 11th 2011
569
                          Dumber by the second man.
Apr 11th 2011
572
                               Hey, don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Apr 11th 2011
                                    Not mad, just very sad.
Apr 11th 2011
664
                                         Its not too late to retreat to choosing both answers, you know.
Apr 11th 2011
678
                                              Oh, I would never do that.
Apr 11th 2011
688
                                                   LMAO. Wow. Guys, come get your boy!! He's done.
Apr 11th 2011
709
                                                        Proooooove ittttttt
Apr 12th 2011
773
      I changed my mind it's 288 taking order of operation into account.
Apr 11th 2011
559
link
Apr 11th 2011
542
Memes, son. They'll only get bigger.
Apr 11th 2011
547
I love it
Apr 11th 2011
551
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Apr 11th 2011
563
LOL. All that for no answer.
Apr 11th 2011
571
      it's not the destination
Apr 11th 2011
578
      There is an answer, in the 'Solution' section of the page.
Apr 11th 2011
589
           lol right? dude can't read either.
Apr 11th 2011
610
           LOL. So both 2 and 288 are answers.
Apr 11th 2011
624
                Thanks for accepting your L...
Apr 11th 2011
642
                     BWAHAHA. Y'all COSIGNED a post saying 2 IS THE ANSWER.
Apr 11th 2011
647
                          RE: BWAHAHA. Y'all COSIGNED a post saying 2 IS THE ANSWER.
Apr 11th 2011
660
                          How is it troublesome?
Apr 11th 2011
666
                          I've been saying 2 is correct all along. So is 288. I've been consistent...
Apr 11th 2011
669
                               ^O_E has BEATEN kids into NOT CHOOSING AN ANSWER!!! BWAHAHA
Apr 11th 2011
675
                                    You sound mad!
Apr 11th 2011
677
                                         Still dodging the question, eh? Are you gonna even try?
Apr 11th 2011
679
                                              Speaking of dodging questions...
Apr 11th 2011
689
                                                   *Swats that weak shit outta here*
Apr 11th 2011
707
                                                        Proooooveeee itttttttttt
Apr 12th 2011
774
Apr 11th 2011
544
this post only proves that ASIANS have it all over us when it comes
Apr 11th 2011
552
so why did the asian in here get it wrong? lol
Apr 11th 2011
556
      which one? and he might be AMERICANIZED. lol
Apr 11th 2011
573
I know of at least ONE person won't be responding in this post!
Apr 11th 2011
555
Hilarical, and stupefying at the same time.....
Apr 11th 2011
566
Somebody check with Foxy Brown
Apr 11th 2011
577
600 posts on a fucking math problem.
Apr 11th 2011
579
This is the new Half Full vs Half Empty. I love it.
Apr 11th 2011
580
Why would you put that shit on twitter... lmao
Apr 11th 2011
585
      LMAO!!! Man, folks been at it tough over that shit!!!!
Apr 11th 2011
591
           Yeah they have... It's crazy
Apr 11th 2011
601
i was here
Apr 11th 2011
581
also....isn't 2(9+3) really (18+6) when distributed out
Apr 11th 2011
584
so what the hellz the answer than nukka?
Apr 11th 2011
586
yes. but the question is "should you distribute."
Apr 11th 2011
590
      should you distribute or...
Apr 11th 2011
592
      hunh?
Apr 11th 2011
599
           I'm just pointing out the "reasonable" arguments for 2
Apr 11th 2011
603
      i get the left to right argument....
Apr 11th 2011
594
           RE: i get the left to right argument....
Apr 11th 2011
608
               
Apr 11th 2011
614
                    
Apr 11th 2011
617
                          but why drop the parenthesis???
Apr 11th 2011
651
Apr 11th 2011
593
Apr 11th 2011
595
     
Apr 11th 2011
596
          
Apr 11th 2011
597
               
Apr 11th 2011
598
                     wild hunnids
Apr 11th 2011
600
                          wild springfield
Apr 11th 2011
670
this post IS pretty damned great ...
Apr 11th 2011
602
Apr 11th 2011
604
http://rachelstewart.bigcartel.com/
Apr 11th 2011
605
lol
Apr 11th 2011
606
LOL
Apr 11th 2011
620
She's a hustla baby!!!
Apr 11th 2011
685
i got it on first try, normalllllllll
Apr 11th 2011
607
The final answer is 288. Due to the equal of importance of
Apr 11th 2011
609
Thanks man!!! LOL(yes, I pulled a Roxanne Shante/Marley Marl) lol
Apr 11th 2011
611
i suck at math but FOIL method
Apr 11th 2011
612
Except that FOIL is used only for binomials...
Apr 11th 2011
613
      RE: Except that FOIL is used only for binomials...
Apr 11th 2011
618
man fuck this, I'm still on team 288.
Apr 11th 2011
615
WORD UP!
Apr 11th 2011
619
A ratio of 2:1 (wrong to right) isn't surprising
Apr 11th 2011
616
i came for the stravinskian smack down
Apr 11th 2011
621
If math is a universal language, then humans can't converse with aliens.
Apr 11th 2011
625
Apr 11th 2011
627
O_E just put on a clinic in evolutionary trolling...
Apr 11th 2011
628
And yet, 2 has been vindicated as the answer mutliple times.
Apr 11th 2011
634
      There has to be at least one source on the internet that cosigns you
Apr 11th 2011
641
           LMAO!! @ "internet source." And you're still dodging the question.
Apr 11th 2011
645
                If it's a common rule, it should be documented somewhere
Apr 11th 2011
653
                     BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. STILL DODGING THE QUESTION
Apr 11th 2011
658
The X sign between the '2' & the bracket is "silent"
Apr 11th 2011
629
dayum. its come to us bringing up the schwa operator an shit. daps.
Apr 11th 2011
652
OMG i can't believe this shit.
Apr 11th 2011
631
LMAO!!! niggas is arguing with the very laws of the universe now?
Apr 11th 2011
633
i cannot believe this post
Apr 11th 2011
635
multiplication does not come before division
Apr 11th 2011
636
Doesn't need to for the answer to be "2"
Apr 11th 2011
637
      Do you think these are the same?
Apr 11th 2011
656
           LOL. No, you idiot. Context is everythingn.
Apr 11th 2011
673
                There is no context in this problem you idiot
Apr 11th 2011
684
                     Hmm. No reason to get upset, Susan.
Apr 11th 2011
706
                          RE: Hmm. No reason to get upset, Susan.
Apr 11th 2011
717
(P)roving (E)verday (M)otherfuckers (D)umb (A)s (S)hit
Apr 11th 2011
639
Apr 11th 2011
640
Apr 11th 2011
643
if this post can beat 1729 replies, then its a record
Apr 11th 2011
644
O_E will have silenced the chatter long before then
Apr 11th 2011
728
48/2(9+3) = 288
Apr 11th 2011
650
^ not posting from correct answer land
Apr 11th 2011
693
i SHO hope ain't nobody building planes based on this shit. we have
Apr 11th 2011
657
and the CORRECT answer is.....
Apr 11th 2011
663
I know, right? What's the answer Poetx?
Apr 11th 2011
665
My reasoning is the only safe one on here, to be honest:
Apr 11th 2011
672
NOPE! Stop playing, POE!
Apr 11th 2011
674
CASE WAS HERE!
Apr 11th 2011
659
2 right? cmon...see parentheses..DO WORK!
Apr 11th 2011
671
288. BLUE. ROYYYYYALLLL BLUEEEEEEE. TWO-EIGHT-EIGHT
Apr 11th 2011
681
what's confusing about this problem apart from how it's written
Apr 11th 2011
703
it excites me that math isnt as exact as i thought it was
Apr 11th 2011
682
No. You're sexy.
Apr 11th 2011
686
Oh you are good.
Apr 11th 2011
712
math is a human creation and thus flawed.
Apr 11th 2011
701
      oh, so many flaws.
Apr 11th 2011
702
      lies
Apr 12th 2011
826
      that is untrue. math is not flawed. your logic is.
Apr 12th 2011
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           not *all* math is. i meant in some areas or there wouldn't be this
Apr 12th 2011
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Google says 288 BTW
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lol
Apr 11th 2011
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this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind did i
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RE: this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind di...
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      RE: this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind di...
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           RE: this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind di...
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                RE: this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind di...
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                     RE: this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind di...
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                          RE: this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind di...
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                               tryin' to push 700's/they ain't made them yet. wild hunnids
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                                    wild mattoon
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I have some cool photos on my flickr page
Apr 11th 2011
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cool.
Apr 11th 2011
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Am I reading O_E arguing with a physicist in this thread about a formula
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LOL. There are forums with physicists debating against each other.
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      bah
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           I don't even know who you are, but you seem like a bad poster.
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                You know it's bad when you're reading a reply
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                     Its actually why I stay away from GD.
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                     I want to smell the flowers in correct answer land.
Apr 11th 2011
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                     lol. OE would have a point if he had a sense of humor.
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                          I've never been happier on the fence I don't think
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                          LMAO. So when did Firebrand turn into a racist?
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                               Nigga please. What makes you assume stravinskian isn't
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                               if anything, you have been consistently wrong.
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                                    A tad late, and a tad irritated.
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                                         but bluetiger is right YOU ARE A DUSTY ASS TROLL
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                                              Interesting. You sound mad too.
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Hilter once struggled with this very same problem (link)
Apr 11th 2011
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Oh, Hitler. WHERE IS TOHUNGA!?!!
Apr 11th 2011
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WTF i replied without looking at the amt of replies
Apr 11th 2011
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damn O_E went wild in here, smh. he used his classic tactics on yall
Apr 11th 2011
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I've been dying for the last hour. n/m
Apr 12th 2011
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so i guess asking to get this archived is besides the point
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I was here
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EVERYONE who chose BLUE
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as a practical muhfucka, i hope none of y'all design airplanes.
Apr 11th 2011
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if ( )'s the answer... it was a stupid fuckin question (c) ras kass
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           oh...this is interesting
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           Bigger problem is people inventing words like 'fractionhood'
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Team Two!
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We as a nation are dumb as he'll cuz!!!!
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we see a math problem and the whole internets gets stumped
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lol. Anyone takin OE seriously is wrong
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i love how everyone is still writing 9+3=12 lol
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48/2(9+3) = 288. 48/(2(9+3)) = 2.
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lol. if you fux w/ offshore'd coding, you'll run into some shit like thi...
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oh shit.
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if you aint Asian or Indian with the last name Lee or Patel, you are
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      why are you getting all huffy?
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           RE: why are you getting all huffy?
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           LOL @ "The solution." That wasn't the solution.
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                RE: LOL @ "The solution." That wasn't the solution.
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288
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oh damn you came out the woodwork
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      seriously.
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           ask me again why im looking at you stank eyed and pissy?
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                lol
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2's have more votes. 2's win. The end.
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=(~
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I definitely "see" how 288 is the answer but
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and hating on how many numbers this post has done is stupid
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Agreed.
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I agree. folks talkin about "omg this dumb, it's just math. yall
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cosign all of this, esp this
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2
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^5
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what the fuck?
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                                    I know dumbass....
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                                         RE: I know dumbass....
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Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team!
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RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team!
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      RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team!
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           RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team!
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                RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team!
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                     RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team!
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                          darn
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                               haha
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                                    RE: haha
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                                         RE: haha
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                                              RE: haha
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                                                   RE: haha
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                                                        wild hunnids
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                                                             eff uuuuuuu
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#TeamBlue #IWasHere
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the fact that people are debating a math problem says a lot
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i bet kids all over the us will have a bunch of order of operation probl...
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I love OKP.
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i design aircraft. it's 288.
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RE: i design aircraft. it's 288.
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yeah, you should try. but they check sat scores.
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RE: yeah, you should try. but they check sat scores.
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Look, Just calm down and move on.
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      RE: Look, Just calm down and move on.
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           ^getting worked up
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           There are going to be a lot of things in life you're wrong about
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                Nah, he's right. And he's explained his answer.
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Weird. I've tutored SATs for years, never saw that
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there's a reason
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      RE: there's a reason
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           ^mad
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                RE: ^mad
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Weird. Just talked to a prominent civil engineeer. He got 2.
Apr 12th 2011
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I guess the doc "Waiting for Superman" was on point....
Apr 12th 2011
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So where are the tittays?
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In my head I got 288, but I immediately recognized my fault. 2 is correc...
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what?
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      RE: what?
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      The 2 is outside the bracket.
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      RE: The 2 is outside the bracket.
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           again, you're applying binomial rules to a simple expression
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           RE: again, you're applying binomial rules to a simple expression
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                It would be a totally different problem and you'd still be wrong and ang...
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                     RE: It would be a totally different problem and you'd still be wrong and...
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                          well, a split yahoo answers link sure does solve it!
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                               RE: well, a split yahoo answers link sure does solve it!
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                               He's right, though. Parentheses are synonymous with distribution.
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           It must suck to get this angry about something...
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                RE: It must suck to get this angry about something...
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                     Who's concerned?
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                          RE: Who's concerned?
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                               Well you've got english class on lockdown...
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                                    RE: Well you've got english class on lockdown...
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                                         Awful lot of gay talk from a dood who supposedly...
Apr 12th 2011
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                                              dog, he's got proof on the internet. Leave it be.
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                                              RE: dog, he's got proof on the internet. Leave it be.
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                                              RE: Awful lot of gay talk from a dood who supposedly...
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                                                   And he concedes!
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                                                   Nah, you're correct.
Apr 12th 2011
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                                                        Look at this fool talking to/responding to himself.
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                                                             No reason to be mad. You've been outed as a liar already.
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      the bracket is "complete" at 12
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      No cause the 2(9+2) is one function. its 2(12) is 24. then move along
Apr 12th 2011
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           The 2 isn't "inside" the bracket
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           RE: No cause the 2(9+2) is one function. its 2(12) is 24. then move alon...
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Really?
Apr 12th 2011
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You were likely learning algebra in 9th grade. This isn't algebra.
Apr 12th 2011
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this problem is a major fight on a physics board too
Apr 12th 2011
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Holy shit......
Apr 12th 2011
843
poorly written math problem = post of the year
Apr 12th 2011
867
Woe is the American School System. If you are a parent you need
Apr 12th 2011
875
      You people crying about the school system sound like idiots.
Apr 12th 2011
925
O_E has figured out the situation.
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What I've learned from this poast...
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RE: What I've learned from this poast...
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RE: What I've learned from this poast...
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      RE: What I've learned from this poast...
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      damn still fucking wrong
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           RE: damn still fucking wrong
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      RE: What I've learned from this poast...
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           Keep continueing to interpret equations rather than solve them
Apr 12th 2011
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                RE: Keep continueing to interpret equations rather than solve them
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                the multiplication is not inside the bracket
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                     RE: the multiplication is not inside the bracket
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                          The answer to it written that way is 8
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                               RE: The answer to it written that way is 8
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                                    Because it is an different equation
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                                         RE: Because it is an different equation
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                                              no because the divisor of 48 is different retard
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                LOL. Either answer requires an interpretation, Einstein.
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                     Thats not true though
Apr 12th 2011
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                          LOL. That is absoutely, positively false.
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                               Interpret Intent
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                                    Weird. You're actually doing more interpreting than I am.
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                                    RE: Interpret Intent
Apr 12th 2011
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                                         LMFAO do you walk around with a helmet on
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962
You're not the brightest crayon in the box.
Apr 12th 2011
881
      Facts are usully documented
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883
      Actually, that has nothing to do with the definition of a 'fact'
Apr 12th 2011
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      RE: Facts are usully documented
Apr 12th 2011
889
           Yeah, credential dropping is pretty much a sign of wrongness
Apr 12th 2011
912
      RE: You're not the brightest crayon in the box.
Apr 12th 2011
884
           BWAHA. I almost died when I saw 'Explicit'
Apr 12th 2011
892
                Man you need to read a book and stop making up math rules
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943
                     Too late now. You're a fraud.
Apr 12th 2011
953
this is gold!
Apr 12th 2011
878
i wonder what percentage of these replies are from the
Apr 12th 2011
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Wild Born Hunnids
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      you messed up the tradition
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      ^lol
Apr 12th 2011
908
Okay, I take it back. NOW the post is funny.
Apr 12th 2011
882
come on! 1000, 1000! You can do it! I know you can!
Apr 12th 2011
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uhm
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ohh
Apr 12th 2011
      ewww
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890
           aaahh
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                time
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                     to
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                          count
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                          down
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                               wild
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                                    SHAT!
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                          haha we both missed
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                               lol, dangit
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                               who will get 1000 .... hummmmm
Apr 12th 2011
907
                                    I don't understand this game.
Apr 12th 2011
927
                                         it's a buildingblock thing. He started it now people try to beat him at
Apr 12th 2011
957
look the only way this can be solved is, who ever has the correct
Apr 12th 2011
888
TWO
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RE: look the only way this can be solved is, who ever has the correct
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941
      it wasn't overlooked
Apr 12th 2011
966
might as well archive this post...
Apr 12th 2011
893
Apr 12th 2011
926
please archive this post
Apr 12th 2011
931
i'm a mathematician and a math instructor
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932
i'll show this to my students tomorrow
Apr 12th 2011
933
RE: i'll show this to my students tomorrow
Apr 12th 2011
948
      what property did you just use?
Apr 12th 2011
950
           RE: what property did you just use?
Apr 12th 2011
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           RE: what property did you just use?
Apr 12th 2011
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           RE: what property did you just use?
Apr 12th 2011
964
                RE: what property did you just use?
Apr 12th 2011
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When you credential drop, you are usually immediately wrong.
Apr 12th 2011
940
      BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
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944
      Funny, ain't it?
Apr 12th 2011
949
      you got it.
Apr 12th 2011
947
           Hey, at least I'm not wasting 9th graders' class time
Apr 12th 2011
951
                i'll show the problem and certain points from both sides.
Apr 12th 2011
954
                     I think tihs problem would be an outstanding teaching tool
Apr 12th 2011
961
DIVIDE MY WHITE SHOES, DIVIDE MY WHITE SHOES
Apr 12th 2011
937
To all the people who chose 2 as an answer...
Apr 12th 2011
952
Jesus. Now we've resorted to using silly reverse psychology.
Apr 12th 2011
958
Stop Trolling n/m
Apr 12th 2011
963
      "Troll" is code for: "Eh, you're right, but I don't feel like debating."...
Apr 12th 2011
971
damn all that...
Apr 12th 2011
960
so much for math being a universal language.
Apr 12th 2011
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This
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post
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      was
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           fun
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                sunday
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                     night
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                          now
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                               it's
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                                    annoying.
Apr 12th 2011
981
where is old girl that flunked remedial math? I'm sure she has the
Apr 12th 2011
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just here for the 10x plat party
Apr 12th 2011
978
how can a post not involving a) gays b) race c) kids or d) babz
Apr 12th 2011
980
Gets in line for the group picture
Apr 12th 2011
982
wow, this shit 'bout to go diamond...
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983
DIAMOND!!!!!!
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984
wild diamond
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Will there be one?
Apr 12th 2011
986

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381. "post should've ended here"
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384. "its wrong tho."
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you cant divide the 48 until after you've worked the parenthetical. 2 included

its not 48/2 and then 9+3
its 48 and then 2(9+3)
2(9+3) is one thing

48÷(2*9+2*3) = x
48÷(24) = x
2 = x

  

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502. "and this from a potential doctoral candidate. i'm not mad"
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'cuz that's what i was taught and understood. i'm seeing 288 all in here and MATH shouldn't be that ambiguous. i thought it was one of those absolute type thangs we learn. this is middle school math.

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518. "im so proud of you! 1st response and correct. bravo abby."
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2. ""
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1. (9+3)=12
2. 48/2=24
3. 24*12=288

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6. "^^^^"
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7. "stick to workin' out and nutrition, cuz"
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13. "Ha!!! This shit is going wild hunnid 3x over god"
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3. "good grief."
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4. "We were here n/m"
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http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

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31. "have you seen this posted elsewhere?"
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Sun Apr-10-11 10:35 PM by d.

  

          

google returns 19,100,000 results for the equation. hard to believe this little experiment has been so popular

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1672&bih=991&q=%22%2B48%C3%B72%289%2B3%29%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

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5. "(48/2) x (9+3) = 288"
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isn't this like fifth grade pre-algebra?
am i missing something?

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8. "Kinda(inbox)"
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19. "ha, nevermind"
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i just realized it's 48 / 24
i never took algebra sooo i tend to read it wrong

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9. ""
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48 / 2(12)
48 / 24
2


48 / 2(9+3)
24 / (9+3)
24 / (12)
24 / 12
2

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16. "ohhhhhh"
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nm

  

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30. "winner. worked both ways too. nicely done."
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50. "question"
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>
>48 / 2(9+3)
>24 / (9+3)
>24 / (12)
>24 / 12
>2

why is the division sign still there *after* you divided the 48 by 2 and got to 24?

  

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63. "RE: question"
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because the first time i just simplified...like 4/8 = 2/4 = 1/2

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66. "RE: question"
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>
>>
>>48 / 2(9+3)
>>24 / (9+3)
>>24 / (12)
>>24 / 12
>>2
>
>why is the division sign still there *after* you divided the
>48 by 2 and got to 24?

You can look at 48 as being 2*24. Then you can cancel the 2's from the top and the bottom.

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73. "gotcha"
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nm

  

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270. "Right. A good rule to always go by is jumping into the parenthesis"
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48÷2(9+3) = ????

When we see "2(9+3)" that automatically means 2x9 and 2x3
I haven't done algebra in HELLA long yet I still remember that for some
reason.

  

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392. "agreed"
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always do the work within the parentheses first

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10. "i see this post is gonna separate the smart okps from the dumb ones"
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i think we're all gonna be not so surprised who the smart and dumb ones
turn out to be
lol

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477. "lol bblock.. what did you do to okp!!!"
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YOU BROKE THE SHIT!

  

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546. "that's bullshit, 'cuz we got former lawyers and doctoral candidates"
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disagreeing with your final product.

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yall need Jesus

  

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12. "OoO"
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-30-
You know it's drama, but it sound real good.

  

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920. "little did we know"
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14. "2"
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and I am sure it's been worked out already but basically

one variable is 48
the other variable is 2(9x3) <<<this equals 24

48/24 equals 2

  

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22. "^^^"
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147. "those are terms not variables. how can 48 vary?"
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421. "I realize I used the wrong terms..."
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but ppl understood what I meant.

  

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433. "lol i just wanted to get in on the fun, i dont really care"
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15. "please excuse my dear aunt sally"
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parenthesis
exponents
multiplication
division
addition
subtraction

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17. "base."
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20. "Yep...what I was gone drop. "
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23. "google calculator says it's 288. however, when i did it initially i did"
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9+3=12
12*2=24
48/24=
2

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29. "of course you did...."
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568. "lolol"
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....and then it just stopped.

  

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26. "order of operations"
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indeed

  

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426. "This is how i was taught"
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Drokayplayer ™


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- Mr. Buildingblock

  

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49. "We called that shit BODMAS."
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Brackets
Of
etc.

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83. "i was just gonna post this"
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then i said let me see if someone else did first.

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128. "Push Eddie Murphy Down A Staircase (c) hs math teacher"
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lol

  

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157. "please educate many dunces after school"
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428. "pu$$y excites my dick and shit"
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I had to make my mnemonic devices vulgar to remember them.

  

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632. "lol I did the same shit"
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Only way I'd remember.

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691. "Girls, Boys, Don't Fuck Always <-- treble clef scale, middle school "
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music class.



peace & blessings,

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18. "....wow"
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"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

  

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24. "."
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21. "2"
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*
*
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730. "That settles it."
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>

  

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25. ""
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1. (9+3) = 12
2. 2(12) = 24
3. 48/24 = 2

  

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27. "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally......"
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462. "Yup"
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I came in here to say that.

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28. "it's 2, 48 is the numerator"
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48÷2(9+3)=

48/2(9+3)=

48/2(12)=

48/24=

2

  

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"Naw"
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>48÷2(9+3)=
>
>48/2(9+3)=
>
>48/2(12)=
>
>48/24=
>
>2
>
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131. "making it a fraction implies parentheses, though."
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and there aren't any there.

<--- suck it

  

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204. ""
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so the 288'ers are assuming parentheses that's aren't there as well



  

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32. "multiplication doesn't take precedence over division"
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you just read from left to right
same for addition and subtraction

  

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33. ""
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48÷2(12)
2(12)=24
48÷24=2

******************SIGGY*******************

  

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34. "I felt really dumb for thinking "2" and then seeing the 1st 3 responses"
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from smart people who say otherwise.

Now I feel like my intelligence has been vindicated lol.

...Unless there's another twist soon to come!

  

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36. "lol. we aren't the only ones. take a look:"
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http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=488334

also, according to google calculator it's 288.

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60. "Me too. I was second guessed myself for a moment..."
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when I saw the first few responses. Then I looked again and confirmed my answer.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to see. It's just a fraction. 48 in the numerator and 2(9+3) in the denominator. 48/24=2

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736. "Lol, me too"
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I thought it was some kinda trick. I suck at maths but remember pemdas.

  

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35. "LMAO, ya'll some olodos"
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smh, its blue

parenthesis first

  

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37. "parentheses and then multiplication dumb ass"
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division comes afterwards.

  

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39. "Read what i wrote "
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>division comes afterwards.

  

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41. "i did. parenthesis ARE first. but division comes after multiplication"
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which means after you add the 9 and the 3, you multiply the result (12) times 2...then you divide 48 by the result (24)

  

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43. ""
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>which means after you add the 9 and the 3, you multiply the
>result (12) times 2...then you divide 48 by the result (24)


c'mon, philly education system cant be that bad

smh

  

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45. "the 48 and the 2 are not in the parenthesis though"
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so after you do the operation in parenthesis, you continue to follow the order of operations. next applicable operaation is multiplication.

  

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55. "if you gon multple how do you NOT add parenthesis?"
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>so after you do the operation in parenthesis, you continue to
>follow the order of operations. next applicable operaation is
>multiplication.


thats math 101

The equation is: 48÷2(9+3)

the next step is to do this:

(48÷2)x(9+3)

like theres no way you can start the equation before doing this

  

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57. "why do you need to?"
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it's 2 multiplied by what's in the parenthesis. if they wanted parenthesis around the 48 and the 2, they would have put them there.

  

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61. "RE: why do you need to?"
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>it's 2 multiplied by what's in the parenthesis. if they
>wanted parenthesis around the 48 and the 2, they would have
>put them there.


48
___ (9+3)
2


^^^ that's the same equation, how would u do that? would you still multiple 12 times 2?

thats why you put the parenthesis



  

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65. "answer is still 2"
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how does expressing a problem a different way change the order of operations? division still comes after multiplication.

  

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69. "RE: answer is still 2"
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>how does expressing a problem a different way change the
>order of operations? division still comes after
>multiplication.

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74. "http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hover-hand"
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hi.

  

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77. "well played. nm"
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88. "lol i never heard of hover hand before"
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i don't think i've ever done it myself

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278. "RE: answer is still 2"
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67. "fam. you are dumb."
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sorry.

  

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46. "there is only one set of parenthesis tho."
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71. "...i'll say this tho"
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i was kinda depressed this weekend and the hillarity of bad math in this post helped make me feel better...and i'm not even a lover of math at all...

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374. "SEE: #373. "
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you distributed wrong...

>>which means after you add the 9 and the 3, you multiply the
>>result (12) times 2...then you divide 48 by the result (24)
>
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>c'mon, philly education system cant be that bad
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42. ";-) *fist bump*"
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40. "BODMAS ="
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288.

BO - Brackets Off
D- Division
M-Multiplication
A-Addition
S-Subtraction

  

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839. "umm..."
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44. "so much misinformation in one post"
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48. "so much misinformation in one post= the okp way"
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>

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52. "How does THIS Thread pop off on a Sunday night tho?"
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watch in the AM it will be plat. probably within the next 10 min if you lucky.

  

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75. "And it's such adamant misinformation, too."
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47. "http://web2.0calc.com/"
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lol

  

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51. "The Asian says 2."
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It is 2.

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54. "^post over"
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160. "Asian is wrong."
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53. ""
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almost no one would make that mistake.
i havent seen ÷ since grade 3

  

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309. "lol people don't understand the distinction.. they think its the same!"
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that's why there is so much debate! unreal!

  

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56. "Wow... I re-did the problem replacing 2 with X to explain this BUT"
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288 doesn't work... 2 does work however...
with 288 I get 1/72 but with 2 I get 2(which would be correct).

Through some research I'm legitimately seeing both answers.

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58. "yep"
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>Through some research I'm legitimately seeing both answers.

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72. "How in the world are you seeing 288 as a legitimate answer?"
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78. "#68 and"
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http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=488334

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82. "Exactly...If there are people that LOVE physics..."
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Who are debating this so it's open.

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79. "If you use p.e.m.d.a.s./BODMAS..."
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and you put 48÷2 in parentheses you would get 288... The question is if you should convert the ÷ to / and work to get the denominator first or put 48÷2 or 48/2 in parentheses. That's where the debate lies.

EDIT: With p.e.m.d.a.s./BODMAS multiplication and division are equals so you go from left to right.

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84. "After going to the replay booth, my decision is overturned LOL"
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I just mentally put the second part in brackets because that's what I'm used to seeing. But correctly using Order of operations the answer is 288. I feel dumb

I can see why this causes such a stir

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97. "But here is the thing..."
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If you work this problem and replace 2 with X and solve for x... the answer is 2... 288 can't work.... This shit is good, lol. When you use X it forces you to solve the problem by converting to problem from 48 9+3)=2 to 48÷12X=2 to 48/12X to 4/x=2 which makes X=2...

Most of the people getting 2 are using incorrect work. What I showed just now is the ONLY correct way to get 2. Most people are going 48÷2(9+3) to 48÷2(12) to 48÷24 to 2 which that work is wrong although the answer is right.

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116. "But you need to work from left to right..."
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When you state it as 48 9+3)=2 you can't say 48÷12=2. You are using implicit grouping when you see 9+3).

But technically, 48 9+3)=2 can be transformed to (48/x)*(9+3)=2. Which gives you x=288

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120. "lmmfao... man"
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59. "i've waited my entire internet life to quote this song in context!"
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"THAT'S NOT ORDER OF OPERATIONS" (c) Large Professor.

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62. "excellent!"
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748. "RE: i've waited my entire internet life to quote this song in context!"
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>"THAT'S NOT ORDER OF OPERATIONS" (c) Large Professor.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3aRrokORjY

don't be fkn evil.

  

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64. "Its amazing that this is even a debate....."
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this is like debating whether water is made up of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen.....

  

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68. "The correct answer is:"
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that people should use brackets to avoid ambiguous expressions.

But anyway, according to the order of operations as I learned them, it's 288. Division is interpreted as multiplication by the inverse only of the quantity that immediately follows the symbol.

I've had this argument before with other physicists, though. To write the inverse of the quantity 2 pi, for example, I write 1 / (2 pi). Other people get lazy and write 1 / 2 pi. Those people are slobs, and deserve to be misinterpreted.

  

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437. "I have no idea how 400 more replies came after this"
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The best, complete and most succinct answer in the post.

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863. "CORRECT"
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1/2pi + 0.5pi

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70. "the question sucks"
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The 2 (not the 48) is being mutiplied by (9+3), which means the expression in brackets should be in the denominator.

48÷2(9+3) = ????

really looks like

48/(2(9+3))

so the answer should be 2.



The people saying 288 are imagining the (9+3) being multiplied by the 48

i.e.,

(48(9+3))/2

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81. "I dont really see how this would be an understandable mistake:"
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the (9+3) being multiplied
>by the 48
>
>i.e.,
>
>(48(9+3))/2
>
>which is an understandable mistake, but nevertheless wrong as
>fuck


It actually really annoying that ppl don't know to calculate the items in the parenthesis first then multiply.

But it does explain why most ppl around here confuse the shyt outta me...they don't know basic calculation (Niggas adding 1+1 and getting 7, nshyt. WTF.) no wonder their logic is flawed.






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76. "Damn. I'm glad my parents didn't send me to public school."
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Cuz basic math rules be damned, yall muthafuckaas do math the same way y'all read...

From left to right and y'all can't.





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85. "no ma'am, public school is NOT to blame"
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some people just were not paying attention in class

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92. "C'mon man. U can't even get passed the 5th grade without knowing"
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How to calculate that shyt.

and some of these cats got phd's nshyt. there's not that much "not paying attention" in the world.

America is not winning at all.


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80. "So to the people who think 48 / 2 * 12 = 2, "
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do you also think that 5 - 3 + 2 = 0 ?

  

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86. "it...does..."
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>
>do you also think that 5 - 3 + 2 = 0 ?
>

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87. "You don't have to rub it in LOL"
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90. "apples and oranges."
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to make your example true you'd need those parenthesis, which the orignal problem contains.

48/2*12 is not the same as 48/2(9+3)

  

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94. "RE: apples and oranges."
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>to make your example true you'd need those parenthesis, which
>the orignal problem contains.
>
>48/2*12 is not the same as 48/2(9+3)

48/2(9+3) is the same as 48*(1/2)*(9+3)=48*(1/2)*(12) which equals 288

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103. "no because the parenthesis changes the order of operations..."
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such that the denomiter becomes 2(9+3) or 24. 48/24 is two. now if it was (48/2)(9+3) you'd be correct.

in my book anyway.

and you can't convince me you're right so don't try.

  

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99. "*sigh* okay, how about 5 - 3 + (1+1)?"
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>48/2*12 is not the same as 48/2(9+3)

Yes, it is, because the parentheses come first. So the first thing you do is replace (9+3) by 12, or, as in my subject line, replace the (1+1) with 2.

  

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107. "excpet that the way the original problem is written.."
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the WHOLE denominator is 2(9+3) because of the presence of the parentheses.

  

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114. "I don't know what makes you think the 2 is inside the parentheses."
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But it's not.

  

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123. "i didn't say that..."
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i said the WHOLE denominator is 2(9+3) and the numerator is 48. thus the answer is 2.

  

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127. "No. You are *interpreting* the whole denominator as 2(9+3)."
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You're doing so incorrectly.

  

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132. "RE: No. You are *interpreting* the whole denominator as 2(9+3)."
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not in any math class i ever took. i guess all my university of washington advanced calculus professors were wrong?

  

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144. "*sigh* I'm not gonna go there."
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I first came in here to say that the notation isn't standardized. The primitive rule is clear: multiplication is multiplication, it doesn't matter if there is or isn't an operator. Some people have deviated from that system. If you want to be one of those people, needlessly overcomplicating the world, that's fine. But don't pretend that's the only way to do it.

  

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145. "like KCPlayer..."
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we just gonna have to disagree.

it's not that i don't see what you're saying, i just think you're wrong.

  

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167. "It's not a right vs. wrong thing."
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The "real" answer is that there's no generally accepted rule. The reason there's no generally accepted rule is because people have come along and changed the original unambiguous rule (multiplication is multiplication), and added this strange, unnecessary addendum that multiplication is stronger when there isn't an operator (despite the fact that nobody uses operators at all for written multiplication of scalar quantities, so this modern change effectively makes multiplication a stronger operation than division in all cases). You do it one way, I do it another way, I argue that my way is better.

  

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180. "No, the answer is that you're wrong. "
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>The "real" answer is that there's no generally accepted rule.
> The reason there's no generally accepted rule is because
>people have come along and changed the original unambiguous
>rule (multiplication is multiplication), and added this
>strange, unnecessary addendum that multiplication is stronger
>when there isn't an operator (despite the fact that nobody
>uses operators at all for written multiplication of scalar
>quantities, so this modern change effectively makes
>multiplication a stronger operation than division in all
>cases). You do it one way, I do it another way, I argue that
>my way is better.


No, you just misread the rules, got it wrong, and are
trying to cop pleas.

You're wrong.



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93. "Check this link....."
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http://www.purplemath.com/modules/orderops.htm

pay special attention to this part:
A common technique for remembering the order of operations is the abbreviation "PEMDAS", which is turned into the phrase "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally". It stands for "Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication and Division, and Addition and Subtraction". This tells you the ranks of the operations: Parentheses outrank exponents, which outrank multiplication and division (but multiplication and division are at the same rank), and these two outrank addition and subtraction (which are together on the bottom rank). WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF OPERATIONS OF THE SAME RANK, YOU JUST OPERATE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.

  

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104. "Agreed."
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>WHEN YOU
>HAVE A BUNCH OF OPERATIONS OF THE SAME RANK, YOU JUST OPERATE
>FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.

So, 48 / 2 * 12 = (48/2) * 12 = 24 * 12 = 288.

And 5 - 3 + 2 = (5-3) + 2 = 2 + 2 = 4.

  

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108. "See post #105"
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96. "you see, this shit is why i majored in history"
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100. "yeah, you have a point"
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fuck, now I don't know what to think. I would agree with this from wiki though:

Some mathematicians hold that multiplication by juxtaposition (omitting the x sign, ex. 2(4+3) ) is a symbol of grouping. No fixed convention exists.

  

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109. "more ammo:"
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http://www.purplemath.com/modules/orderops2.htm

The general consensus among math people is that "multiplication by juxtaposition" (that is, multiplying by just putting things next to each other, rather than using the "×" sign) indicates that the juxtaposed values must be multiplied together before processing other operations.

  

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110. "LOL, this is the same link I just posted....."
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118. "haha, didn't see you posted it"
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lol @ the slogan:

The Purplemath Forums
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and self-confidence in algebra

  

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172. "LOL. That has nothing to do with the problem BB presented"
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What a dreadful example.

The answer is 2.

Stop copping pleas. You're wrong.




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179. "I don't think you're taking this seriously."
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182. "No, you're inability to answer a question has rattled your self esteem."
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And you're copping pleas and using terrible examples
and referencing obscure rules to try and meander your
way out of this.

That example you provided has absolutely nothing to
do with the question BB presented, at all.

The fact that you provided it tips me off to what
we're dealing with here: someone intellectually insecure
who can't accept being wrong.

You're wrong.

No go discover planets or something.

Just make sure you check your calculations before
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189. "The only "obscure rule" anyone has brought up in here "
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is "multiplication by juxtaposition." And if we leave this obscure rule out of it, then the correct evaluation is 288, not 2. This is not a plea cop. I admitted in my very first post in this thread that there is disagreement on the interpretation, and that people should use brackets explicitly to avoid these ambiguities.

I don't care whether you think the analogy I made is apt or not, because you clearly aren't trying to understand anything that's going on here, so you wouldn't be a very good judge.

  

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190. "No, but apparently I understand mathematics better than you do. "
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>
>is "multiplication by juxtaposition." And if we leave this
>obscure rule out of it, then the correct evaluation is 288,
>not 2. This is not a plea cop. I admitted in my very first
>post in this thread that there is disagreement on the
>interpretation, and that people should use brackets explicitly
>to avoid these ambiguities.

No, the brackets are unnecessary, because everyone
who understands mathematics can read the equation
as written just fine.

The only people asking for brackets are wrong people
who want an excuse to feel better about themselves.


>I don't care whether you think the analogy I made is apt or
>not, because you clearly aren't trying to understand anything
>that's going on here, so you wouldn't be a very good judge.


Yes, I am. The analogy you drew had nothing to do with
the original problem. Nothing at all. You're just wrong
and mad.


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198. "You've already indicated that you think multiplication precedes division"
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in order of operations. In other words, you're wrong.

  

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206. "LOL -- No, I didn't, and no, you're wrong. "
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There is no "precedence," and "order of operations"
is a teaching tool that tips kids off to how to think
about relationships.

I don't need PEMDAS to solve the problem because I
understand the relationship between numbers.

And when I see:

48 DIVIDED BY 2(X+Y), I know automatically that

the divided by sign denotes a fractional relationship

I know that because I understand actual mathematics.




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214. "Now you're copping pleas."
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So you agree that standard order of operations means that the expression equals 288 (as long as you agree with me, as you do, that the existence or nonexistence of a multiplication operator is irrelevant), but you say order of operations is only a rule (and apparently a flawed one, in this case) to help out people who can't handle reading math "correctly."

So you're saying the expression equals 2, because, you said so?

  

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217. "Exactly... His logic only leads down one road..."
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but his answer isn't down that road. It took him a long time to even acknowledge my point over the schools of thought but that was in an attempt to cop out and muddy the issue.

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222. "He's just trolling, there's no reason to even argue with him."
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The only funny thing is that usually he's a master at this, he can usually argue whatever ludicrous point he wants, completely consistently. Here he got tripped up almost immediately and he can't seem to come to terms with it.

  

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224. "LOL. Weird then, that I got the problem right, and you wrong. "
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Because PEMDAS isn't even necessary if you read the
equation properly.

Its an obvious fraction.

You guys are arguing a point that isn't necessary, and
can't admit you're wrong.

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226. "If you were reading it properly, you'd be reading it consistent with "
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the rules.

Admit it, you've lost this one.

  

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"LOL -- which rules? The wrong rules? "


  

          

>
>the rules.
>
>Admit it, you've lost this one.

Says the man who got the answer wrong.


PEMDAS doesn't even apply here....you are
arguing against the consistency of PEMDAS,
instead of trying to solve the question correctly.

The problem asks us to divide 48 by the the product
of 2 and the sum of 9 and 3. Any other interpretation
is incorrect.


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236. "That is not the problem."
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>The problem asks us to divide 48 by the the product
>of 2 and the sum of 9 and 3. Any other interpretation
>is incorrect.

The problem was to evaluate an expression. There are rules for doing this. When you said 2*x was the same as 2(x), you put yourself in the position where the ONLY CORRECT ANSWER was 288. If you'd argued from the beginning for this obscure and silly rule, that multiplication always comes before division if there is no operator, then you would have been able to consistently argue that 2 is the correct answer. You didn't. You fucked up. You're wrong.

  

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241. "LOL. "Obscure rule" = O_E's basic, correct logic. "
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>
>>The problem asks us to divide 48 by the the product
>>of 2 and the sum of 9 and 3. Any other interpretation
>>is incorrect.
>
>The problem was to evaluate an expression. There are rules
>for doing this. When you said 2*x was the same as 2(x), you
>put yourself in the position where the ONLY CORRECT ANSWER was
>288. If you'd argued from the beginning for this obscure and
>silly rule, that multiplication always comes before division
>if there is no operator, then you would have been able to
>consistently argue that 2 is the correct answer. You didn't.
>You fucked up. You're wrong.

You still got the answer wrong, and I still got the
answer right.


Read these two out loud for me:

2*x

2(x)

I mean, you don't even know what an "operator" even is,
or what their purpose actually is. You've got a ways to
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248. "Oh, now I don't even know what an operator is."
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Stop digging. Let it go. If you had taken the time to understand the problem before you started posting, you would have been able to claim some kind of logic. Instead, you're arguing that 2 is "right" and "288" is wrong, with no more motivation than how the expression makes you feel.

You fucked up. You're wrong. I'm sorry. That's the great thing about math. The rules are the rules, and when you fuck up the rules, you're wrong, you can admit it, and move on.

  

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252. ""shut smooth the fuck down" status"
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258. "You worked pretty hard for that wrong explanation. "
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>Stop digging. Let it go. If you had taken the time to
>understand the problem before you started posting, you would
>have been able to claim some kind of logic. Instead, you're
>arguing that 2 is "right" and "288" is wrong, with no more
>motivation than how the expression makes you feel.

All that, just because you got a question wrong and won't
admit it.


I mean, my logic is completely airtight, and you haven't
come close to poking anything close to a hole in it.


>You fucked up. You're wrong. I'm sorry. That's the great
>thing about math. The rules are the rules, and when you fuck
>up the rules, you're wrong, you can admit it, and move on.

Except I got the rules right, and you got the rules wrong,
and we've already explained how and why.

And I got the question right, and you got it wrong.





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263. "You haven't explained a damn thing,"
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except that the expression spoke to you. Apparently you misheard it, because by the only logic we've been able to coax from you, you got it wrong.

  

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266. "Temper, temper. "
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>
>except that the expression spoke to you. Apparently you
>misheard it, because by the only logic we've been able to
coax>from you, you got it wrong.

Yeah, the expression did communicate a fraction to me.

Not sure what it communicated to you.

Not sure how an expression using parenthesis specifically
to teach relations to 4th grades somehow became an expression
that selectively used parenthesis.

I mean, its pretty obvious what the problem wanted.



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274. "The parentheses are there to force you to add the 9 to the 3."
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They have no other meaning, no other feelings. It's quite obvious, according to the rules *as you've stated them*, that the "problem wants" you to answer 288.

Sorry, you're not as clever as you thought you were.

  

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276. "LOL. "
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>
>They have no other meaning, no other feelings. It's quite
>obvious, according to the rules *as you've stated them*, that
>the "problem wants" you to answer 288.

>Sorry, you're not as clever as you thought you were.

Probably not, and yet much more clever than you are.


So what's that make you?



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281. "That makes me right."
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And you wrong.

  

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420. "LOL. It also makes you a flip-flopping liar that got exposed"
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you don't have an answer, remember?

You made one up LATER after your friends calculated
it in Matlab, which is still wrong.

LOL



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228. "The problem is that most people don't see where the debate is..."
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understand the debate or even understand the subject and that's where he's getting tripped up at. I'm convinced that he utilized PEMDAS incorrectly and got 2 and it wasn't until later(when he read my framing of the debate and explanation of the 2 methodologies) that he found a logically correct(but debatable) way to insist his answer is correct. I'm willing to bet that if he would have shown work it would be ONLY the PEMDAS method but incorrectly applied.

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232. "LOL. Translation: O_E is correct, but let's be mad at him anyway. "
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>understand the debate or even understand the subject and
>that's where he's getting tripped up at. I'm convinced that
>he utilized PEMDAS incorrectly and got 2 and it wasn't until
>later(when he read my framing of the debate and explanation of
>the 2 methodologies) that he found a logically correct(but
>debatable) way to insist his answer is correct. I'm willing
>to bet that if he would have shown work it would be ONLY the
>PEMDAS method but incorrectly applied.

So basically:

a) I'm right, and my argument is airtight.

b) You're wrong, and are pissed.

c) To get back at him, let's make believe he didn't
really get the right answer using the way he explained,
when he just explained it correctly, and hope to god
he got the answer using PEMDAS, which he explained
isn't even necessary here.


LOL.


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235. "No... You're wrong and here's where you FIRST explained yourself(link)"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=10276000&mesg_id=10276318&page=


^^^^This link shows you're wrong. The End

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"Nah. You just admitted that I was correct. "


  

          


In the original equation, the 48 is in the numerator,
clearly.

You're just making reasons up to justify your wrong
answer.






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242. "lol. dude...that is not the same"
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253. "It's very much the same."
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Addition and subtraction have equal precedence in order of operations, just like multiplication and division.

  

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365. "I guess cats are reading it as 48 / (2 * 12), which would yield 2"
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But dang, the one thing my middle school math class did right was show both division writing conventions, so the correct approach was pretty obvious. lol


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646. "try using an example with division, genius. completely different. "
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89. "this is such a fuckin fun thread :-)"
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91. "i came out of lurking to set this straight"
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If you strictly follow PEMDAS ( really PE(MD)(AS) ), it's no question. Multiplication and division are at the same level of precedence, so they are processed left to right, e.g

48/2(9+3)
48/2(12)
24(12)
288

However.

There is a subtle debate over whether "implied multiplication," which the streets are saying is apparently multiplication implied by putting a number next to the parentheses, with no operator sign (like above), takes precedence over regular multiplication with an operator.

I personally have never heard of this, but apparently, some calculators have this built in, and

48/2(12)

will give you a different answer than

48/2*(12)

So, it basically comes down to whether you subscribe to that notion. I personally don't.

  

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95. ":-) :-) :-) :-) THIS IS SUCH A FUCKIN FUN THREAD"
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#nerd4lyfe

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101. "It is... So much so I retract my troll comment from my other thread"
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http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

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106. "my nerd radar went off so i had to go ham"
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113. "I personal subscribe to your school of thought"
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but after solving for X I can see why 2 could be right but MOST of the people getting 2 are using incorrect math

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117. "and here's the thing, i'm a nerd but numbers make me nervous..."
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so, i did the work and my initial calculation was 2...

so, i voted 2 (i was the first vote in the poll)...

BUT, i am SOOOOOO self conscious about my own calculations that I googled it, thus post #1.

so, imagine my surprise that i'm not that number-naive after all. lol

there is actually some DEBATE about a methodology that i'd always considered tried-and-true and failproof.

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130. "That's the problem..."
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Math teachers don't teach methodology or theory... They only teach the method they favor which is harmful. Clearly, this is debatable and clearly this is an on going debate but their are people who don't even see or acknowledge the debate.

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141. ";-)"
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>Math teachers don't teach methodology or theory... They only
>teach the method they favor which is harmful.

that's what i began to learn in grad school, but by that time i was so convinced that any method other than my 8-10th grade teachers taught me was WRONG, that even though i understood that there could be some debate, i was not confident with anything other than what i learned up until 15yrs old.

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150. "I tend to be open if you can explain it..."
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In this case having to solve for X is what made me step back.

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111. "I'll admit to this subtlety:"
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>There is a subtle debate over whether "implied
>multiplication," which the streets are saying is apparently
>multiplication implied by putting a number next to the
>parentheses, with no operator sign (like above), takes
>precedence over regular multiplication with an operator.

This brings me back to the fact that a lot of people write 1 / 2 pi, meaning 1 / (2 pi). By the strict rules, 1 / 2 pi would equal (1/2) pi. However, because pi so often comes with a 2 in front of it, people naturally interpret 1 / 2 pi as 1 / (2 pi), as intended.

  

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417. "exactly. i've screwed up a couple of homework problems"
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by putting 1 / 2 pi in my calc. and forgetting the parentheses.

  

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119. "and that's what i'm saying.."
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those two things you wrote:

48/2(12) and 48/2*12

are two different things in my opinion.

  

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359. "2. The mulitiplication implied by the parentheses trumps all nm"
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.

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638. "^^^"
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>.

  

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654. "EXACTLY"
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98. "google calculator says 288. texas instrument calculator says 2."
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i don't know what to believe at this point.

  

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102. "I'm in the same boat"
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http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

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115. "One more reason nobody should use TI calculators."
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HP calculators use RPN, so this kind of ambiguity doesn't even show up in the first place.

Yeah, we're gonna get the calculator wars up in this.

  

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357. "in hs there was a guy with a casio"
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who would get made fun of cause no one could use it properly if they borrowed it

  

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105. "Hopefully this helps everyone out....."
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121. "now let's recalculate the economy :-)"
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124. "Well if some rickety site on the internet says it, it must be true."
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129. "Its 48 divided by the equation 2(9+3)....."
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you work out the denominator of the division problem first,
and then do the division, 48 divided by 24 equals 2.....

  

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134. "RE: Its 48 divided by the equation 2(9+3)....."
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>you work out the denominator of the division problem
first,
>and then do the division, 48 divided by 24 equals 2.....

Your argument rests on the belief that 2(9+3)does not equal
2*(9+3).  

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137. "Actually its just the opposite...."
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my argument rests on the fact that 2(9+3) is equivalent to 2
times (9 plus 3)......

  

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140. "Then what does 48*(0.5)*12 equal?"
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because that's what the original problem is.

48/2 is the same as 48*(0.5)

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126. "I mean. Ppl don't know that?"
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(this is where I remind myself that this is a music site and
to calm down)




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133. "I mean its the rules of math, how do you even debate this?"
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142. "I guess it's debatable if u don't know it's a rule."
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I'm mad as shyt tho cuz I was led to believe that EVERYBODY
had to learn
that shyt. Our teachers said that we would not be able to get
along in life
without knowing it.

They lied big time.


************The Sig************

Yall. when a mod deletes ur nice pretty reply from a post in which the OP has replied,
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409. "I remember PEMDAS... I remember left to right..."
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>I'm mad as shyt tho cuz I was led to believe that
EVERYBODY
>had to learn
>that shyt. Our teachers said that we would not be able to
get
>along in life
>without knowing it.
>
>They lied big time.


I DON'T remember anything about some multiplication being
STRONGER than others.... and I took nearly as much math as a
mth major.

So the debate seems legit to me.

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231. "Was there a rule change I wasn't informed about?"
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Interesting. 

*sticks to storytelling*

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382. ""
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122. "There is only one answer, and it's 288."
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First you do what's in parentheses. Then you do multiplication OR division, whichever comes first going left to right. So 9 + 3 = 12. Then, 48/2=24. Lastly, 24 x 12=288.

  

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125. "If you take out the goofy ass division symbol...."
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and write the problem like this:

48
_____

2(9+3)

you work out everything in the denominator first, which is how you get 48 over 24, which means 48 divided by 24, which is 2......

  

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136. "Yes, but you could also do it correctly, and write the expression like:"
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48
---- (9+3)
2

>you work out everything in the denominator first, which is how
>you get 48 over 24, which means 48 divided by 24, which is
>2......

The (9+3) is not in the denominator, unless you consider multiplication without an operator as outranking multiplication with an operator. And yes, some people do that, but it's silly.

  

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138. "Agreeing to disagree at this point....."
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math rules are not something that you can debate about, it either is or isn't......

  

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149. "My rule of thumb is to go with the advanced physicist"
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not in all things, but definitely in mathematics. I don't see how your way prioritises the division appropriately though.

  

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151. "Well, notation is absolutely something you can debate."
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And this is a prime example. Math is not about numbers, and it certainly isn't about notation systems. The notation systems are invented systems, designed to express purely mathematical concepts.

I'll admit that every time I've accused somebody of being wrong in this thread it was all in fun. I admitted from the beginning that the notation here isn't standardized.

But I will adamantly argue that the *better* approach is the simpler, more primitive rule, in which order of operations is not dependent on whether multiplication is written with or without an operator. Plenty of people have started messing with this rule, just like plenty of people around here have started treading "their," "there," and "they're" as the same word. In the end, practice determines correctness in any notation system, but we should guard against our laziness overcomplicating our notation system.

  

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148. "AMS disagrees"
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good synopsis here

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57021.html

  

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155. "Well, that's not AMS, that's one particular journal."
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And I argue with journal style preferences all the time. I did it just the other day, in fact.

But yes, I've already admitted that there are differing standards here. The journals, trying to save characters, are part of the problem in this case. But the point remains that this modification to the classic order of operations is a modern invention, meant to deal with the fact that usage has become sloppy, and in the process it has needlessly overcomplicated the notation system.

  

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165. "i hear you"
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i agree with everything you've said in this thread - with the exception of a needlessly ambiguous nuance of mathematical notation that no one in their right mind would actually use anyway.

  

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139. "I'm gonna post this equation on my Facebook tomorrow....."
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separate my smart friends from the not-so-smart ones.....

  

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143. "Over 300 posts guaranteed, props buildingblock lol"
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146. ""I am a hustla baby / I sell water to a whale/well""
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152. "My final thoughts on this "debate"......"
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to all you people thinking the answer should be 288, doesn't it strike you as funny that you replace 288 with x and solve for x, the answer comes out that x equals 2?

There is no way you can solve for x and come up with x equaling 288.....

  

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154. "RE: My final thoughts on this "debate"......"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=10276000&mesg_id=10276000&page=#10276120

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158. "I have no idea what you're even talking about here."
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Replace what 288 with x? Can you spell this argument out for me?

  

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162. "RE: I have no idea what you're even talking about here."
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you say

48÷2(9+3) = 288

I say replace 288 with x

48÷2(9+3) = x

now solve the equation to determine what x is

when you do it, the answer is x = 2, not 288

  

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164. "Isn't that what we've been doing all along?"
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We all just have different interpretations of what the parentheses imply.

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174. "I don't think you understand what you're saying here."
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I'm not trying to be a dick or anything (this time at least), but this equation:

>48÷2(9+3) = x

is already solved for x. There's no solving needed. x = 48/2(9+3). The only question is how we evaluate the expression 48/2(9+3). There are two ways to do it, one that gives 288, another that gives 2.

  

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181. "No, there's not. There is one right answer. "
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> There are two ways to do it, one that
>gives 288, another that gives 2.

No, 2 is the answer.

288 is not the answer.

Cry about it.




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193. "Argue the point with Google."
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Or Newton.

  

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194. "Appeals to reputation. How very non-mathematical of you. "
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>Or Newton.

If you say 288, you're wrong.

If you say 2, you're right.

That is specifically what makes math beautiful.

It doesn't care where the fuck you're from. If
you're wrong, you're wrong.

And you're wrong.

Under no circumstance is the order of operations
here any different than the one that yields an
answer of "2." If you came up with something else,
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202. "Remember when BB said to "show your work.""
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This is one thing you still haven't done.

>Under no circumstance is the order of operations
>here any different than the one that yields an
>answer of "2." If you came up with something else,
>you're wrong.

You didn't show your work on this, so I'm gonna sketch it out, entirely using rules that we can agree on.

x = 48 / 2 (9 + 3)

= 48 / 2 * (9 + 3) (you've already said it's the same with or without the star)

= 48 / 2 * 12 (everyone agrees we handle the parentheses first)

= 24 * 12 (multiplication and division have equal precedence, so we go from left to right)

= 288

Point out where I did something "wrong" and we'll have something to argue about.

  

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216. "LOL. This is pathetic. "
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>You didn't show your work on this, so I'm gonna sketch it out,
>entirely using rules that we can agree on.
>
>x = 48 / 2 (9 + 3)
>
>= 48 / 2 * (9 + 3) (you've already said it's the same with or
>without the star)

>= 48 / 2 * 12 (everyone agrees we handle the parentheses
>first)

>= 24 * 12 (multiplication and division have equal precedence,
>so we go from left to right)

There is no such thing as "precedence." There are relationships
between numbers.

You cannot make assumptions for the math. Let the
math tell you what it wants.

If the equation wanted us to divide 48 by 2 first,
it would put them in parentheses.

(48/2)*(9+3)

Again -- let the math talk to you.

Left to right logic is only there to guide
our thinking. The thinking is more important
than the writing.

For you to prioritize spatial placement of
functions over logic sort of tips me off to
what's wrong here.




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225. "Oh, so now mathematical expressions have feelings..."
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That makes things so much simpler.

  

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230. "*shrugs* I mean, don't be mad at me for you being wrong. "
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You're wrong.

The mathematical expression tells us exactly
what we need to know.


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229. "Left to right is the rule. You're going off emotions."
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237. "Don't build bridges for a living. "
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And if you do, lemme know what bridges you've
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648. "you're a dumb person"
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735. "^^OOOHH SSHHIIIT MY NIGGA BASA WITH A CAMEOO!!!"
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IM DYIN RIGHT NOW


BWAHAHAHAAHAHHAA


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159. "look at my response I explained your confusion below.."
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153. "It's 2. Why is this an argument?"
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There's no opinion in math.

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161. "It's an argument because there are two existing interpretations "
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of the notation. According to the more primitive notation system (which is, of course, the better one), the answer is 288.

According to a modern exception to the rules of order of operations (in which multiplication without an operator is seen as different from multiplication with an operator, despite the fact that nobody uses operators for multiplication anymore at all), one ends up with 2.

  

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169. "The answer is 2. You need to just admit it and k.i.m."
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I don't care if you design asteroids for a living.

You're wrong.

The answer is 2.



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176. "Oh, great. Just the guy we need. "
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178. "You're wrong and its funny to see you fight it. "
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I don't care what you do for a living.

You are wrong.

Stop conjuring obscure plea cops from number
theory, because they don't matter.

You are wrong.

Just admit it.

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171. "I think it's crazy that people don't see the debate"
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173. "There is no debate. You are all just wrong and won't admit it. "
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Its hilarious. You guys keep trying to sophisticate
the situation to mask the fact that you're wrong.


The answer is 2. You're wrong.



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175. "Is 2(9+3) the same thing as 2*(9+3)?"
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You can't where the misinterpretations come in to play. That's why you should use brackets for this equation.

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177. "Brackets have nothing to do with it. You guys are just wrong. "
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It doesn't matter if you use brackets or not. It
doesn't matter if its 2* or 2(

The answer is the same.

Just admit that you got the fucking question wrong
and move on with life.

All this calling on weird references in number theory
isn't going to make you right.

That's why math is beautiful. Sometimes right
is right and wrong is wrong.


You just are just wrong.



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183. "I think you're completely dense if you can't see the argument"
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you get a different answer if you group the last two terms than if you treat them separately.

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184. "You know you're arguing for us, now, right?"
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>It doesn't matter if you use brackets or not. It
>doesn't matter if its 2* or 2(

If we say 2*x is the same as 2(x), then everyone will agree that the answer is 288. This is why I don't think you're taking this seriously.

And nobody has mentioned number theory or anything beyond basic algebra.

  

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186. "Lmao... He doesn't even see the problem... omg"
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187. "Actually, no. It doesn't matter. The answer is 2 either way. "
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>If we say 2*x is the same as 2(x), then everyone will agree
>that the answer is 288. This is why I don't think you're
>taking this seriously.

No, the answer is 2 either way. The multiplication
takes place ahead of the division either way, which
both take place after the addition, giving an answer
of 2.

You're just wrong.

Admit it.



>And nobody has mentioned number theory or anything beyond
>basic algebra.


Not yet, but you'll pull out every stop to make yourself
feel smart here, even though you're wrong.


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195. "You're wrong in your work"
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>No, the answer is 2 either way. The multiplication
>takes place ahead of the division either way, which
>both take place after the addition, giving an answer
>of 2.


multiplication doesn't take precedence over division, you're view is wrong. I told you, the only "correct" way to get 2 and it involves you seeing 2(9+3) as the denominator and being compelled to work that portion first. If that's not the case(according to YOUR logic it isn't) 288 is the only correct answer because multiplication doesn't take precedence over division. The End.

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200. "LOL. This is math. There is no "precedence," Archimedes."
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The fact that you're using "precedence" sort of tips
me off to what's wrong here.

>multiplication doesn't take precedence over division, you're
>view is wrong. I told you, the only "correct" way to get 2
>and it involves you seeing 2(9+3) as the denominator and being
>compelled to work that portion first. If that's not the
>case(according to YOUR logic it isn't) 288 is the only correct
>answer because multiplication doesn't take precedence over
>division. The End.

Because everyone who is not unintelligent knows
that IN THIS SITUATION the division sign always automatically
denotes a fractional relationship between the numbers on either
side of it. The reason why we use the division sign at all is
mostly for teaching purposes, as kids below 4th grade (usually)
tend to have problems understanding the relationships
between quantity to properly grasp fractions (this is the
point when kids who are "good at math" typically separate
themselves from the others....its usually fractions that does it).

So everyone who learned math properly knows how to
automatically put the 48 in the numerator.

If you didn't do that, you're wrong.

And the reason we have PEMDAS at all is specifically to
tip the 4th grade(or whatever grade) off to these kinds
of relationships. Its a shortcut. Like many shortcuts,
there is logic behind it, and most teachers don't teach
the logic behind it.

Doesn't matter, though, because the answer is 2 either way.






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205. "Do you even read what you write?"
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>
>Because everyone who is not unintelligent knows
>that IN THIS SITUATION the division sign always automatically
>
>denotes a fractional relationship between the numbers on
>either side of it.

48/2(9+3) What are the numbers on either side of the division side? 48/2 right?

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209. "LOL. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed. "
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>>
>>Because everyone who is not unintelligent knows
>>that IN THIS SITUATION the division sign always
>automatically
>>
>>denotes a fractional relationship between the numbers on
>>either side of it.
>
>48/2(9+3) What are the numbers on either side of the division
>side? 48/2 right?

LMAO!!!

48 and the NUMBERS ON EITHER SIDE OF IT:

That means:

48

AND

2(9+3) <--A number


That is:

There is a FRACTIONAL RELATIONSHIP between

48:

and the NUMBER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DIVISION
SIGN


And what's beautiful is this:

The parenthesis is specifically present to tip us
off as to how we are supposed to think about the
numbers and their relationship to one another

That is why we have them at all.

PEMDAS is a silly little shortcut that we use to
TEACH relationships between numbers to kids.


If you ACTUALLY GRASP MATH, you don't need it to
get the answer right

I grasp math, and don't need it.

The only way you get this wrong is if you're unintelligent

I'm sorry.

I hate to be mean, but its true.

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213. "Forget about division because apparently it is a tough concept for you"
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Division is just the inverse of multiplication. for example 2/4= 2*(1/4)= 2*(0.25)

So with you agreeing that 2(9+3) is the same as 2*(9+3), we can restate the problem as:
48/2(9+3)=x
48/2*(9+3)=x
48*(0.5)*(9+3)=x
48*(0.5)*(12)=x
288=x

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215. "wait..."
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who thinks 2(9+3) is the same as 2*9+3???

  

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219. "They are equivalent. He's just trying to cop pleas for being wrong. "
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>who thinks 2(9+3) is the same as 2*9+3???

Because the problem above is written in the
former way, and not the latter.

But 2( and 2* are not functionally different.

But the real problem is that, in a problem
featuring parentheses, let the equation do the
thinking, and not the silly little symbols do
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221. "I fixed the typo. Now find the flaw in the logic"
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220. "RE: wait..."
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2(9+3) is the same as 2*(9+3) not 2*9+3

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227. "LOL. Kick and scream all you want. "
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The answer is 2.

And if you read the equation properly, the
answer is 2, and you don't need PEMDAS.

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233. "How is it "kicking and screaming"..."
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all I was doing was clarifying what someone has said.

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234. "You already admitted I was right, so just apologize for wasting my time...."
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Now you've retreated to wishing that my answer was
the product of logic that I didn't use.

The logic I've outlined is airtight.

Sorry for being smart.

Difference between me and y'all is that I'm perfectly
willing to admit when I am wrong. That is what makes
me smart.

You and the other guy are dead ass wrong, and are arguing
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239. "You switched your logic..."
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once I framed the debate... You FIRST explained your logic here: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=10276000&mesg_id=10276318&page=

^^^This is incorrect but you changed it once you read my explanation of the debate.

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243. "LOL -- You can wish upon a star all you want. "
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>^^^This is incorrect but you changed it once you read my
>explanation of the debate.

No, I further explained my logic once I realized that
I was arguing with idiots who don't know how to read
basic relationships between numbers.

I'm just being honest here, pal.

Its astonishingly obvious to me why the answer is 2.

Can't really comment on why you're wrong.

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245. "You're just troll n/m"
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247. "Its "correct troll" to you, Dr. Einstein. "
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I mean, you were wrong, I was right.

My logic is airtight.

Oh shit, that rhymed.


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207. "this is exactly what i was trying to say but you said it better..."
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if you READ the problem as it should be read (and how any mathematician i've ever dealt with reads it) 48 is the numerator and the rest is the the denominator.

that division sign in that problem is like the semi-colon in a sentence seperating two independent clauses.

  

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211. "No, you said it fine. Nerds are insecure and need to be screamed at. "
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>if you READ the problem as it should be read (and how any
>mathematician i've ever dealt with reads it) 48 is the
>numerator and the rest is the the denominator.

I cannot believe people purporting to be intelligent
about mathematics are using left-to-right spatial logic
IN LIEU of relational logic.

We only write things at all to communicate relationships.

Its the most absurdly asinine thing I've ever come across.


>that division sign in that problem is like the semi-colon in a
>sentence seperating two independent clauses.



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212. "It's all subject to methodology..."
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But this is different than the logic you point at previously. At this point you're just trolling.

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196. "So, you're just completely, totally misinformed, then?"
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>No, the answer is 2 either way. The multiplication
>takes place ahead of the division either way, which
>both take place after the addition, giving an answer
>of 2.

Multiplication and division are of equal priority in order of operations (apart from this controversial exception when there isn't an operator, which you and I seem to agree on). If you have multiplication and division in the same expression, you evaluate from left to right. Check Wikipedia if you don't remember elementary-school math.

  

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201. ""Check wikipedia." "
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>Multiplication and division are of equal priority in order of
>operations (apart from this controversial exception when there
>isn't an operator, which you and I seem to agree on).

Thankfully for me, the "order of operations" isn't necessary
because I can properly read an equation.


>If you
>have multiplication and division in the same expression, you
>evaluate from left to right. Check Wikipedia if you don't
>remember elementary-school math.

"Check wikipedia."

LOL.





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208. "See, again, either you're a complete dimwit, or you're trolling."
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Obviously the real answer is that you're trolling. That's what you're always doing. But I think you're mixing in a bit of the other possibility, too, with statements like this:

>Thankfully for me, the "order of operations" isn't necessary
>because I can properly read an equation.

  

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210. "100% honest -- If you can read an equation, you don't need PEMDAS."
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>
>Obviously the real answer is that you're trolling. That's
>what you're always doing. But I think you're mixing in a bit
>of the other possibility, too, with statements like this:

PEMDAS is teaching tool used to teach kids about the relationship
between numbers.

We use it to prepare kids to tackle fractions.

This is why after fractions, we almost never, ever, ever
use the division sign again, because we know, after learning
fractions, what a division sign is communicating.

PEMDAS is trying to give kids a shortcut. Its a cute shortcut,
and it works, but it doesn't teach kids about the relations
between numbers.

I don't need PEMDAS to get this right, because I understand
the relationship between numbers.


You're wrong and your feelings are hurt, so you're trying
to complicate a very simple matter.

You are wrong. Deal with it.




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218. "What you're refusing to admit "
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is that what you're arguing is inconsistent with "PEMDAS." PEMDAS says the answer is 288. You say the answer is 2, because you're so smart you don't need PEMDAS. It's fine to think you're smart enough that you don't need the rules, but when your "smartness" conflicts with the clear interpretation of the rules, then the rules are right, and you are wrong. That's one of the great things about mathematics.

  

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223. "LOL. I'm in the business of getting answers right. "
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>
>is that what you're arguing is inconsistent with "PEMDAS."
>PEMDAS says the answer is 288. You say the answer is 2,
>because you're so smart you don't need PEMDAS. It's fine to
>think you're smart enough that you don't need the rules, but
>when your "smartness" conflicts with the clear interpretation
>of the rules, then the rules are right, and you are wrong.
>That's one of the great things about mathematics.

LOL -- the answer isn't about PEMDAS, or any teaching
trick.

The answer is about relations between numbers.

If I showed you:

48/2(X+Y)

Under no circumstances would you divide 48 by 2 first.

Why?

Because a basic understanding of the relationship between
numbers tells us about the relationships.

You don't need PEMDAS to tell you that, and if you read
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283. "^^^Notice how nobody has touched this point. Its PURE ether. "
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>LOL -- the answer isn't about PEMDAS, or any teaching
>trick.
>
>The answer is about relations between numbers.
>
>If I showed you:
>
>48/2(X+Y)
>
>Under no circumstances would you divide 48 by 2 first.
>
>Why?
>
>Because a basic understanding of the relationship between
>numbers tells us about the relationships.
>
>You don't need PEMDAS to tell you that, and if you read
>the division sign properly, you'd know that.

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285. "No, it's just the same non-argument you've made dozens of other times"
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in this thread. Are you trying to fork it again?

If so, okay. You've already said 2(X+Y) means the same thing as 2*(X+Y), so the expression is 48/2*(X+Y). You said "under no circumstances" would you divide the 48 by the 2 first. Well, one circumstance where you would is if you did it correctly. But admittedly that's not something you do, because you're wrong.

  

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286. "No, you can't intelligently debate it. That's why. "
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>
>in this thread. Are you trying to fork it again?

You can't address the basic question I posed, because
it proves why I'm right.

That's why.


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288. "I'll repost my edit, to keep the notation clear:"
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You've already said 2(X+Y) means the same thing as 2*(X+Y), so the expression is 48/2*(X+Y). You said "under no circumstances" would you divide the 48 by the 2 first. Well, one circumstance where you would is if you did it correctly, because the division is to the left of the multiplication. But admittedly that's not something you do, because you're wrong.

  

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294. "You're posting like its Weekend at Stravinskian's. "
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Where you walk around with the dead argument and try
to keep it from everyone for as long as possible.

Too hard to hide, eventually, because it starts to
stink and funk up the room.

>You've already said 2(X+Y) means the same thing as 2*(X+Y), so
>the expression is 48/2*(X+Y). You said "under no
>circumstances" would you divide the 48 by the 2 first. Well,
>one circumstance where you would is if you did it correctly,
>because the division is to the left of the multiplication. But
>admittedly that's not something you do, because you're wrong.

Actually, no. There's a fraction to the left of the
multiplication as you wrote it.

The most correct answer is to say that you only
truly divide 48/2 if the equation reads:


(48/2)*(X+Y)

or

(48/2)(X+Y)


This is why parenthesis are important, because
they communicate an emergent property of the
equation: the equations is to be treated as a
common fraction, with 48 in the numerator.


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296. "Ooh, so now expressions have "emergent" properties."
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There isn't a fraction to the left of the multiplication. There are no fractions in inline type. There's a division to the left of the multiplication, so the division comes first.

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297. "LOL. They aren't "emergent" to me. I'm trying to help you out. "
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>There isn't a fraction to the left of the multiplication.
>There are no fractions in inline type. There's a division to
>the left of the multiplication, so the division comes first.

Weird. And there I thought division signs communicated
a fractional relationship between the expressions
that border it, in this case, the 48 and the product
of 2 and (9+3)


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301. "You seem smart so I'm gonna assume you're just mad making now"
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Do me a favor. Tell me what 4/2*3 equals

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304. "shh... don't corner him, he'll take off"
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I can't sleep and this is mildly amusing.

  

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306. "Take off? To where? Correct answer land? "
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>I can't sleep and this is mildly amusing.

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308. "Naw, to still cornered by #301 land"
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thanks for sticking around though.

  

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312. "LOL @ "Cornered." You need to try harder."
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>thanks for sticking around though.


4/2*3


Well, that is much different than

4 ::divided by symbol:: 2*3




That ^^^ would be 4/6.




The division sign communicates a fraction:


4
-------
2*3




What 301 wrote was:


4
___

2


multiplied by 3:


= 6















































































































































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314. "I'm not trying anything, someone else cornered you"
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and quite frankly, I didn't want them to. I want to keep you around, and watch you continue to avoid properly addressing the question you're cornered by. That's the source of my amusement, and my aim for you.

Load them up again my friend.

>>thanks for sticking around though.
>
>In that problem, the left to right rules
>are simple; the equation does not denote a
>clear numerator on the left side (as it does
>in the case of 48) and so the operations can
>proceed in their normal left to right progression,
>especially in the absence of parentheses to denote
>compound expressions.
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324. "Well, I just blasted my way out of that "Corner." LOL. "
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If there's a weakness, O_E will find it.


I mean, they're just leaving stuff out now and
trying to change the question.


They made it quite easy for me.


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705. "and how"
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715. "I'm the only one who has faced an essential truth here:"
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Mon Apr-11-11 08:09 PM by Orbit_Established

  

          

In "ambiguous" questions like this, the intentions
of the person who drafted the question ultimately are
what quells the ambiguity.

In this case, you must read context from the way
the question is written, what the numbers involved
are, and the symbolism used.

The use of the division symbol automatically tells
us that we are not making an actual calculation, but
a kiddie calculation from elementary arithmetic. This
is not mathematics, this is a teaching stepping stone
to learning actual mathematics, which is why no one
uses the division symbol in any actual mathematical
calculation.

This point is completely irrefutable. People below
me are scrambling and getting upset trying to dodge
it, and they haven't done anything, at all, because
it happens to be fair, lucid, logical, and correct.





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203. "RE: Is 2(9+3) the same thing as 2*(9+3)?"
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Yes.

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860. "uhm NO"
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who writes something as times times????

2() already indicates multiplication
2* would only indicate multiplying the () and it makes no sense.
even with negative subtraction you don't write 1--1...you say 1-1
and never would you write 14/÷2, you'd write 14÷2 OR 14/2.

yall doing too much

  

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185. "It's all in the methodology used..."
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and MOST of the people getting 2 aren't using correct work to achieve their answer. There are people who are getting 2 and 288 who are using correct form and logic. It's debatable and the debate is hinged on methodology. The fact that it is debatable isn't debatable.

The only way to get 2 correctly is if you subscribe to the methodology that you must rewrite the equation... replacing ÷ with / and you MUST work the denominator first.

If you are ONLY USING BODMAS or PEMDAS you can't get 2 correctly.

This is a debate.

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188. "No, there's no debate. You guys are wrong. "
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>and MOST of the people getting 2 aren't using correct work to
>achieve their answer. There are people who are getting 2 and
>288 who are using correct form and logic. It's debatable and
>the debate is hinged on methodology. The fact that it is
>debatable isn't debatable.
>
>The only way to get 2 correctly is if you subscribe to the
>methodology that you must rewrite the equation... replacing ÷
>with / and you MUST work the denominator first.
>
>If you are ONLY USING BODMAS or PEMDAS you can't get 2
>correctly.
>
>This is a debate.

No, its not.

The answer is 2.

Just stop.

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191. "I'm certain you did the work wrong and got 2..."
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as opposed to doing the work in the proper logic and getting 2.

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192. "No, I did the work correctly and got 2. "
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As did everyone else who did it correctly.


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197. "Based on your work and methodology you're wrong n/m "
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.

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156. "the answer is 288... because its not a fraction..."
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the division symbol is clearly in the equation:

"48÷2(9+3) ="


brackets first.. 9+3 = 12

therefore...

48÷2(12) as 48÷2 x 12....

24 x 12 = 288...


The reason why you think it equals 2 is because you are treating it as this:

48

____

2(9+3) =


which clearly equals 2.. but its not written down that way... shrug.

  

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170. "Jesus christ. God help us. n/m"
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>the division symbol is clearly in the equation:
>
>"48÷2(9+3) ="
>
>
>brackets first.. 9+3 = 12
>
>therefore...
>
>48÷2(12) as 48÷2 x 12....
>
>24 x 12 = 288...
>
>
>The reason why you think it equals 2 is because you are
>treating it as this:
>
>48
>
>____
>
>2(9+3) =
>
>
>which clearly equals 2.. but its not written down that way...
>shrug.


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163. "Who ever came up with the question should just use some damn brackets"
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so the problem isn't so ambiguous. Yes I'm mad

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166. "This is the saddest post I've ever read in my life. Good god. "
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199. "Basically"
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It really is a shame how far people will go to justify being wrong

  

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238. "I'ma lean towards what the niggas with DEGREES in math"
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or math related fields are saying, which is 288.

I mean they kinda have to be right, right?

I fucking hate math. I can't remember rules for shit. I can't remember much of anything.

I can't speak from an informed place because my training is in journalism. F stops, decibles and word count are all the math I've had to know.

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240. "I'm riding with 288 but I see the debate"
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For me it's all in the work... Some(few) people that are getting 2 have work and logic that agree with that but most of them are utilizing incorrect logic and work.

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244. "*raises hand*"
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>or math related fields are saying, which is 288.

Weird, me and my mathletic self came up with 2.

Strange, ain't it?




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246. "^^^Loud But Wrong Guy"
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250. "Weird how I got it right and used airtight logic, eh? "
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Odd how that works, ain't it?




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256. "Fool, you haven't proven your argument once LOL"
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all you've said is "I don't need PEMDAS" and "I know what the expression is trying to tell me" on some Math Whisperer shit

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262. "No, you just don' t understand basic mathematics. "
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>all you've said is "I don't need PEMDAS" and "I know what the
>expression is trying to tell me" on some Math Whisperer shit

That's because you don't know how to read an equation
properly. You're caught up in "left to right" spatial
logic.

The expression communicates a fraction between 48 and
the sub-expressions that follow it. There's no debate
about that if you read it properly and understand
relations between numbers.

48 DIVIDED BY communicates the information about a relation
between it and an number/expression that follows. In an
equation that uses parenthesess to compartmentalize sub-expressions,
we can expect parenthesis to communicate alternatives to the
fractional relationship relayed (ironcally) by your impenetrable
left-right logic.

^^^No holes in that, buddy. Sorry. I didn't ask to be right.

I just happen to be right.




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268. "So you no longer believe that 2(9+3)=2*(9+3)?"
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that's the only way your argument can hold, but you already said that it's true.

Because in my world, if this is true you must work left to right.
First do 48/2. Then do 24*(9+3).

If you want to retract your statement, it's okay with me

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272. "Nice way to dodge my argument"
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>that's the only way your argument can hold, but you already
>said that it's true.
>
>Because in my world, if this is true you must work left to
>right.
>First do 48/2. Then do 24*(9+3).
>
>If you want to retract your statement, it's okay with me

A math expression utilizing parentheses indicates a level
of communicative sophistication whereby the equation will
tell us (don't you love the personification?) when compound
expressions are to be evaluated as such.

Without them, we have to assume that the equation is
as it sounds (and thinks).

That being the case, we are dealing with a fraction,
where 48 is the numerator.

PEMDAS all of a sudden becomes less relevant, O_E wins,
and you are wrong and mad as fuck about it.















































































































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249. "I've seen the two arguments. What's your degree in?"
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That's the only thing that's interesting to me at this point.

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255. "I have "math-related" degrees, but your logic is asinine. "
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Relying on "expertise" like that is how the challenger
blows up. Very basic miscalculations.


Only rely on expertise to solve problems relevant to
that expertise.

Astrophysicists have degrees that are "math related", but most
physicists don't know the slightest thing about engineering
or statistics.

Surgeons have 'biology-related' degrees, but most surgeons
don't know anything about evolutionary biology.


I expect more from you.


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259. "What was that major again? "
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I fully realize that there are people here without degrees that can run circles around most in math and whatever kind of math the OG problem is.

I don't know enough or care enough to get into a debate about it.

I'm interested in how people are seeing this and why.

That's it.

Keep jumping to conclusions and telling me about what logic is though if it makes you happy.

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260. "You remember that it was Richard Feynman who first figured out"
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how the Challenger exploded, right?

  

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264. "Yep. And Feynman made a career making fun of physicists. "
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Most of whom were just like you and didn't know how
to admit they were wrong.

And what made Feynman special is that he was unlike
every other physicist in his generation, which is how
he built Cal Tech, so that people like you can get
PhDs and still not know basic math.

I wish you were more like him. He'd admit he was wrong
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271. "He was also very good at knowing when he was right,"
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and the other guy was just mindless, pointless bluster. In this case, he'd argue that the rules are the rules, that expressions don't have feelings, and that, therefore, you're wrong.

  

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275. "Weird. You don't even have Richard Feynman down correctly. "
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>
>and the other guy was just mindless, pointless bluster. In
>this case, he'd argue that the rules are the rules, that
>expressions don't have feelings, and that, therefore, you're
>wrong.

QED actually bends all sorts of basic rules, which is exactly
why its so brilliant.

Or are we wrong for calling it "the strange theory of
light and matter?"


LOL.


Got a plea cop there too?



LOL.



Honestly, just give up. You're wrong here. Its all good.


You might take the Nobel home in Physics, and good for you.


But you are wrong here.


Sorry, I didn't make the rules, and don't hate me because
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279. "Oh, so now you know QED better than I do, too."
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If you had ever in your life even contemplated taking a course on quantum field theory, then you wouldn't be so evasive about your field of study.

Name some "basic rules" that QED bends.

  

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282. "**Calls Insecurity Police**"
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>If you had ever in your life even contemplated taking a course
>on quantum field theory, then you wouldn't be so evasive about
>your field of study.

LOL. How's this for insecurity.

Everytime you get made to look like an idiot on these
boards you retreat to highlighting your credentials.

I'm not evasive about my field of study. Unlike you,
I don't need to tell everyone all the time, because
this is the Okayplayer boards and its not really
relevant. I like to talk about Carmelo Anthony and
make niggas mad about Pulp Fiction.

What's relevant is that I get things right and you get
things wrong. We can play the credentials battle, and
you'll lose that one too.

My general experience is the people that fall back on
credentials are insecure, which is why they retreat.

I have lots of credentials, but my accomplishments are
much greater.



*shrugs*



>Name some "basic rules" that QED bends.

QED bends PEMDAS and rearranges how we think
about basic fractions.


Right?




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284. "I'll take that as a concession."
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That you're wrong about that point, as you are in many others in this thread.

>>Name some "basic rules" that QED bends.
>
>QED bends PEMDAS and rearranges how we think
>about basic fractions.
>
>
>Right?

  

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287. "LOL. I definitely concede that I'm less insecure than you are. "
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>That you're wrong about that point, as you are in many others
>in this thread.

I mean, you know I'm right about that too.

This is why you credential drop all the time, and
yet i'm reading your posts on global warming (where
you post articles you haven't read, and recite mumbo
jumbo that you don't understand), and on evolution (where
you do the same thing), and you're almost always wrong
and misinformed.


I mean, I don't need Okayplayers to make me feel smart.


I have actual life to do that.


I like to talk about pussy and Kobe and Tarantino
on the internet.


*shrugs*


But do you, though.


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291. "I guess when I'm arguing about evolution,"
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I should just talk about how it makes me feel.

And this "insecurity" tactic isn't gonna go anywhere. We all have insecurities, but I'm secure enough to know that I don't give a fuck what you think about me.

  

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295. "I can tell I struck a nerve with that one. Sorry about that. "
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I mean, you can just choose to ignore me if it
really matters.

>I should just talk about how it makes me feel.

Perhaps. It'd be better than posting nature papers
you haven't read and name dropping.

>And this "insecurity" tactic isn't gonna go anywhere. We all
>have insecurities, but I'm secure enough to know that I don't
>give a fuck what you think about me.

I'll leave you alone. Its pretty apparent that you're
genuinely mad.
























































































































































You still wrong, though.


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302. "You can be wrong about as many different things as you like."
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>
>I mean, you can just choose to ignore me if it
>really matters.
>
>>I should just talk about how it makes me feel.
>
>Perhaps. It'd be better than posting nature papers
>you haven't read and name dropping.

If I've ever done that, then someone should have called me on it at the time, just like I called you on it when you argued that the expression equals 2, based on rules that clearly imply that it equals 288. You can keep trying to deflect that, but it doesn't change the fact that you were completely, totally, unambiguously wrong. As I've said before, there's a valid, logical interpretation for either number, but somehow you managed to find a wrong answer to a question that shouldn't have had a wrong answer.

You're wrong. Don't change the subject.

  

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303. "Hmm. Yeah, you're definitely mad. "
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read and name dropping.
>
>If I've ever done that, then someone should have called me on
>it at the time, just like I called you on it when you argued
>that the expression equals 2, based on rules that clearly
>imply that it equals 288.

But actually, no, the answer is clearly 2, which is what
is sort of weird about this interaction.

You've tried to add ambiguity to a situation that is
not ambiguous.

The answer is 2.

You are trying to sophisticate the problem to compensate
for the fact that you are wrong.

>You can keep trying to deflect
>that, but it doesn't change the fact that you were completely,
>totally, unambiguously wrong. As I've said before, there's a
>valid, logical interpretation for either number, but somehow
>you managed to find a wrong answer to a question that
>shouldn't have had a wrong answer.

Except that there is one answer, and that is 2.

You didn't come up with that.

>You're wrong. Don't change the subject.

Oh, I'm not changing the subject at all.

You like to name drop and get things wrong.

Just like you did in this post.

You want to tough talk about QED, and yet you can't
read a basic fraction.

I'm willing to let this die now, because you're obviously
mad, and that's cool, happens to me all the time.















































































































































































But it doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.



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305. "Again, you haven't even attempted to argue why the number is 2."
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Because according to the one convention you've admitted to, and the rules that are ubiquitous and clear, the number is 288. To summarize: Google says it's 288, somebody's TI-84 says it's 288, my HP-48 says it's 288, gnuplot says it's 288, Mathematica says it's 288, Matlab says it's 288, C++ says it's 288, but O_E says it's 2, because O_E is wrong, and very, deeply, mad.

  

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310. "LOL. You actually programmed this in Matlab. LOL. LOL. LOL. "
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LMAO!!!!!

>Because according to the one convention you've admitted to,
>and the rules that are ubiquitous and clear, the number is
>288. To summarize: Google says it's 288, somebody's TI-84
>says it's 288, my HP-48 says it's 288, gnuplot says it's 288,
>Mathematica says it's 288, Matlab says it's 288, C++ says it's
>288, but O_E says it's 2, because O_E is wrong, and very,
>deeply, mad.

And that means that Matlab and your calculator got the
answer wrong.

The same way Matlab ruins calculations all the time. Its
based on clunky computer language, and what it spits out is more
often the product of it being dumb or the code being wrong
because its rules aren't "mathematical" at all, but linguistic.

And LOL @ your use of a multiple calculators. This is where
my intentionality argument takes its dick out on you:

The answer is 2, because the question as written intends
for you to divide 48 by the product of 2 and the sum of
9 and 3.

That's it.

This is why Building Block told us the answer was 2.


Why?


Because the answer was 2.


You were wrong and launched a tirade.








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313. "Stop avoiding #301 so we can get this over with"
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How are you talking about the problems intentions? It is a pure math problem. You can only solve it as it's written.

It's not like the units were wrong and we intended it to be centimeters

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316. "LOL. You ruined your chance with 301"
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You fucked up by not using a division symbol.


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317. "LMAO!! Peace"
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318. "Oh, so now there's two different kinds of division!"
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Only one kind of multiplication, but two different kinds of division. Keep watching, everybody, he'll come up with an argument yet!

  

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321. "BWAHAHAHA...I just USED YOUR RULE AGAINST YOU...OH SHIT"
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Its the LEFT TO RIGHT RULE:

The DIVISION SYMBOL is to the left, and is the
first expression:

48 is DIVIDED BY the expression that follows.

This is exactly WHY we use the DIVISION SYMBOL AT ALL

If we weren't interested dividing 48 by the expression,
than the expression would have been written with the
fraction that you misused




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325. "Wow. You still don't understand how this works, do you?"
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This "left to right" rule means you do the division first. 48/2 = 24 (Yeah, I know that isn't the "divided by" symbol. It doesn't need to be, because they mean exactly the same thing.) Then you multiply by 12, to get 288. Again, argue with Wolfram:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=48%C3%B72%289%2B3%29

  

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326. "Waitup...LOL...Oh shit...you killed yourself here, sparky. "
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This was your original ANSWER:

"that people should use brackets to avoid ambiguous expressions."


But then you've argued that the answer is 288.


So first you argue ambiguity, then you argue 288.


Then when someone posts this:

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57021.html


You talk about how "that's just one journal."


So its okay for you to change your answer, flip flop,
ignore alternative explanations for the notation, all
in one post?


Meanwhile, I've been using a singular, consistent, correct
notation, and have come to same answer using my set of
rules:


2.


My rules are consistent:


The use of the division "operator" denotes a fraction
with 48 in the numerator.

Using that logic, the answer comes out to 2, regardless
of a the multiplication notation. Its the correct, robust
means of figuring out the answer.


Your answer is that "people should use brackets."


LOL


LOL


LOL


Sounds like someone is just scurred of being wrong here.



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329. "Again, I've said from the beginning there's an argument either way,"
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and that that's precisely why brackets should be used in that expression.

The problem is that you took this "doesn't have a wrong answer" problem, and said it has only one right answer. Then when you tried to claim there was only one correct way to break the real ambiguity (that 2(x) is the same as 2*x), it became clear that by your own rules, the answer you gave was not the right one.

Of course your rules are consistent, they're also remarkably simple: what you initially said is deemed right, and you will hedge any way you possibly can to make it fit. First the order of operations was clear, and it unambiguously meant the answer was 2. Then, when we pointed out that wasn't true, order of operations was just a children's toy, and you don't need it. Then, when we asked why you're willing to disagree with it, the expressions had feelings, and you had to interpret them according to some kind of gut instinct. Then, when nobody went for that, you ended up on some bizarre idea (that I doubt anybody in here has heard of) that there are two different division symbols, and they have different significance for order of operations. I've probably missed a few steps, but this seems to be the general outline of your long, meandering pathway to refusing that you fucked up in one of your very first posts. At any rate, you've certainly embarrassed yourself enough that there's no need for anyone to push you any further.

  

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370. "Nah. Its clear now that you're a flip flopper and a liar. "
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>
>and that that's precisely why brackets should be used in that
>expression.

No, you didn't adopt an actual stance until other people
used their calculators. I wish I had actually read the
post first, and then I wouldn't have bothered, because you
embarrassed yourself.

You didn't choose an answer until AFTER.


>The problem is that you took this "doesn't have a wrong
>answer" problem, and said it has only one right answer. Then
>when you tried to claim there was only one correct way to
>break the real ambiguity (that 2(x) is the same as 2*x), it
>became clear that by your own rules, the answer you gave was
>not the right one.


That's not true. This "implied operator" excuse is not
even a mathematical explanation.


You either use consistent rules or you don't.


My interpretation is consistent, yours is non-existent.


Plus, your way "using the computer" comes up with 288
whether you use the 2( or 2*( notation, so the computer
is wildly pathetically wrong on the basis of a non-mathematical
difference in notation.



>Of course your rules are consistent, they're also remarkably
>simple: what you initially said is deemed right, and you will
>hedge any way you possibly can to make it fit. First the
>order of operations was clear, and it unambiguously meant the
>answer was 2. Then, when we pointed out that wasn't true,
>order of operations was just a children's toy, and you don't
>need it. Then, when we asked why you're willing to disagree
>with it, the expressions had feelings, and you had to
>interpret them according to some kind of gut instinct. Then,
>when nobody went for that, you ended up on some bizarre idea
>(that I doubt anybody in here has heard of) that there are two
>different division symbols, and they have different
>significance for order of operations. I've probably missed a
>few steps, but this seems to be the general outline of your
>long, meandering pathway to refusing that you fucked up in one
>of your very first posts. At any rate, you've certainly
>embarrassed yourself enough that there's no need for anyone to
>push you any further.


Your rambling here, probably because you're upset that you
got exposed as a flip-flopper.


You're a fucking joke. LOL. You're so insecure, you won't
even come up with an answer on your own.


pathetic.




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315. "Well, somebody else checked in Matlab, and the TI-84."
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Doc Catalyst, in post 251. I don't use Matlab, not that I have anything against it. I checked Google out of curiosity. punched it into gnuplot because it's about 20 keystrokes, and the HP-48 because I have an emulator handy. C++ and Mathematica I just assumed, because I know that they generally do these things right. You're welcome to check. I don't have Mathematica handy, but you can peruse this output from Wolfram Alpha to see, again, that you're wrong:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=48%2F2%289%2B3%29

>The answer is 2, because the question as written intends
>for you to divide 48 by the product of 2 and the sum of
>9 and 3.

Again, the question as written intends for you to evaluate the expression. The correct evaluation of the expression is 288. You're wrong and you're trying way too hard to dodge.

  

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319. "none of these things exist in correct answer land"
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Equations that speak to you do though apparently.

I'm going to roll with O_E now that he's put it this way. Your way sounds nice and good for the sake of clarity, but equations with intentions is just too much fun.

Sorry, but you're wrong.

  

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322. "Hey. This is why I get questions right and you guys get them wrong. "
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>Equations that speak to you do though apparently.

I mean, its pretty clear to me that the

::divided by symbol:: to the FAR LEFT tells us
exactly how to approach the problem.

This is why I get the right answer.


>I'm going to roll with O_E now that he's put it this way. Your
>way sounds nice and good for the sake of clarity, but
>equations with intentions is just too much fun.
>
>Sorry, but you're wrong.



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320. "BWAHAHAHA!!! You thought you were gonna sneak that by me???"
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Motherfucka, you just leaving shit out now???




>http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=48%2F2%289%2B3%29

Ummm

Where's the ::divided by:: symbol, Mr. Feynman???


The use of the divided by symbol is specifically
what communicates that we are dealing with a fraction
with 48 in the numerator


LMMFAO @ you leaving that shit out


That is a major detail...it tells us exactly what
we are supposed to do, how we are supposed to
handle the numbers

That is WHY we have "operators" like that, dumbass



>Again, the question as written intends for you to evaluate the
>expression. The correct evaluation of the expression is 288.
>You're wrong and you're trying way too hard to dodge.

Nooo. You are leaving out a major step in solving this
problem; the fact that the ::divided by:: symbol is used
is not random. It specifically communicates that we are
dealing with a fraction.


This is why Mathematica, Matlab, and your TI are wrong.


Because they don't get the purpose of the equation.


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323. "Funny, my laptop doesn't have a "divided by" symbol."
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Probably because the slash is mathematically equivalent to the divided by symbol. With some copying and pasting, I got it in, and you're welcome to note that you're still wrong:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=48%C3%B72%289%2B3%29

Sorry, you won't be able to wriggle out of this. Expressions don't have feelings, there is only one kind of division. You're copping pleas, because you're wrong, and you're mad.

  

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327. "LOL. You just got caught flip flopping and lying. "
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First you said your answer was:

"People should use bracket," because you knew from
there that you didn't want to commit to one answer.


Then you argued 288, because the computer programs
that you don't understand said it was 288.


So you flip-flopped once, didn't think for yourself.


Then, someone else posted this:

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/57021.html


And you dismissed it as "one journal."



LMAO



Meanwhile, my logic is consistent and robust to multiplication
symbols....the true sign of logic is its robustness, and mine
wins out:


The division symbol denotes a fraction. This is the more
intelligent way to discuss this, because its true across
multiplication symbols.


Its sound and it leads to a consistent answer.


Meanwhile, you flip-flop and lie.


LOL




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331. "Here you go repeating your speciousness again."
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I'll repeat my reply to the other instance of your post:

Again, I've said from the beginning there's an argument either way, and that that's precisely why brackets should be used in that expression.

The problem is that you took this "doesn't have a wrong answer" problem, and said it has only one right answer. Then when you tried to claim there was only one correct way to break the real ambiguity (that 2(x) is the same as 2*x), it became clear that by your own rules, the answer you gave was not the right one.

Of course your rules are consistent, they're also remarkably simple: what you initially said is deemed right, and you will hedge any way you possibly can to make it fit. First the order of operations was clear, and it unambiguously meant the answer was 2. Then, when we pointed out that wasn't true, order of operations was just a children's toy, and you don't need it. Then, when we asked why you're willing to disagree with it, the expressions had feelings, and you had to interpret them according to some kind of gut instinct. Then, when nobody went for that, you ended up on some bizarre idea (that I doubt anybody in here has heard of) that there are two different division symbols, and they have different significance for order of operations. I've probably missed a few steps, but this seems to be the general outline of your long, meandering pathway to refusing that you fucked up in one of your very first posts. At any rate, you've certainly embarrassed yourself enough that there's no need for anyone to push you any further.

  

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368. "Ahhh. So basically you're a flip-floppper and a liar. "
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>Again, I've said from the beginning there's an argument either
>way, and that that's precisely why brackets should be used in
>that expression.

Okay, so basically you don't believe that 288 is the
answer.

You read the question, didn't want to provide an answer,
provided none, and then pushed 288 after your friends
came up with it on their calculators, because you don't
think for yourself.

Its in pretty clear view.


You have no answer, I have an answer, which you've
admitted you can come up with based on one interpretation
of the notation.



>The problem is that you took this "doesn't have a wrong
>answer" problem, and said it has only one right answer. Then
>when you tried to claim there was only one correct way to
>break the real ambiguity (that 2(x) is the same as 2*x), it
>became clear that by your own rules, the answer you gave was
>not the right one.

That's mathematically incorrect, because if you interpret
the division sign as denoting the construction of a fraction,
then my answer is correct independent of the "implied"
use multiplication operator.


>Of course your rules are consistent, they're also remarkably
>simple: what you initially said is deemed right, and you will
>hedge any way you possibly can to make it fit. First the order
>of operations was clear, and it unambiguously meant the answer
>was 2. Then, when we pointed out that wasn't true, order of
>operations was just a children's toy, and you don't need it.
>Then, when we asked why you're willing to disagree with it,
>the expressions had feelings, and you had to interpret them
>according to some kind of gut instinct. Then, when nobody went
>for that, you ended up on some bizarre idea (that I doubt
>anybody in here has heard of) that there are two different
>division symbols, and they have different significance for
>order of operations. I've probably missed a few steps, but
>this seems to be the general outline of your long, meandering
>pathway to refusing that you fucked up in one of your very
>first posts. At any rate, you've certainly embarrassed
>yourself enough that there's no need for anyone to push you
>any further.


You're babbling here because I embarrassed you; you don't
have an answer, and only picked on after someone used a
calculator.

I mean, this is a 4th grade problem where the answer is
2, and yet you're too scurred to even come up with a real
answer to the question.


And then, when people interpret the notation differently
than you, you dismiss it as "one journal."


Like I expected, you don't have actual views, and none of
your views are original.

Mine on the other hand, follow actual logic, and are robust
to non mathematical-differences like the difference between
2( and 2*

Those are not actual differences. Those are *implied*
differences.


So again -- I have an actual answer based on actual logic
that is robust to nonsense.


You have flip flopping and lying, followed by using computers
to answer a 4th grade arithmetic problem.


L for you, dunny.




  

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251. "Used three methods. I'm getting 288."
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TI-84 Plus says 288.
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254. "Supreme Lurker Status... lol"
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257. "RE: Supreme Lurker Status... lol"
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I know. Y'all are entertaining. And there's something about this math problem that bothered me and I had to jump in.

God...I should be sleep.

  

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267. "You should be asleep. You're wrong, and I've explained why. "
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269. "Troll be gone"
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277. "You be mad. "
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Why?


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280. "naw son.... U mad n/m"
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273. "Before I clicked I determined that it was "2". "
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I am horrible at math so therefore due to that fact alone it probably really is the other number.

  

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289. "O_E needs to post in GD more"
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i have no idea or really care if he's right or not (i got 288, but i suck at math)

but yeah... dude needs to post in gd more

  

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290. "only at night."
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330. "Yeah at least the boards would start moving again."
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Goddamn that dude has a lot of time to hold









































































































































































the enter key.

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293. "on a sunday night? lol"
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298. ""
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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

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299. ""
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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

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300. "wild pemdas"
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388. "RE: wild pemdas"
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>.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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307. "lol.. i already explained this.."
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its the division sign that makes the difference... this is an activity of how things are written.. some of you are blowing this way out of proportion and missing the point... according to pedmas its 288 no ifs ands or buts about it...

DIVISION comes BEFORE MULTIPLICATION

th brackets only contain the 9+3, you don't automatically multiply the sum by 2... how can you multiply if division comes before that stupid? you work from left to right.. if it were written as a fraction:

42/2(9+3) or ...


42
-----
2(9+3)

than you would solve for the denominator first.. but its not a fraction like this... some of you have tried to use this to illustrate how it equals 2 but its an equation.. its not a fraction... the DIVISION sign makes the difference..

  

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311. "LOL. That is false. "
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This notation is actually correct (its 48 and not 42,
though):


>42
>-----
>2(9+3)






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451. "Bartek... Understands the debate... I'm done with OKP"
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If Bartek can outright tell you where the debate is and you are still trolling your life must suck.

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807. "Basically"
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Follow the equation as you see it.

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328. "I hope none of you guys are engineers"
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332. "I'm thinking that engineers would avoid confusion.."
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..by utilizing parentheses more consistently.

It's funny, I didn't even bother to do my own work on the problem because I smelled a trap and saw the poll results so far, and probably also because I know I suck at math. After reading the whole post, I can definitely say that nobody is stupid for either getting 2 or 288, but that I'm leaning towards 288.

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334. "true...but still, the answer ain't two lol"
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338. "If my gut says 2, the answer is 288"
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>..by utilizing parentheses more consistently.
>
>It's funny, I didn't even bother to do my own work on the
>problem because I smelled a trap and saw the poll results so
>far, and probably also because I know I suck at math. After
>reading the whole post, I can definitely say that nobody is
>stupid for either getting 2 or 288, but that I'm leaning
>towards 288.

You don't want to be in my company when it comes to answering this sort of problem.

  

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336. "I'm an engineer. The answer is 2."
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354. "lol....my brother is an engineer and he says the answer is 288"
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he said it is written confusing but you dont assume that its 48/, which we (self included) was doing. the way it is written is everything is on one line and for it to be 2, the whole second part of the equation would be under the division, like a fraction.


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333. "Wait 'til Poetx see this shit. I answered 2, felt badly"
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and then watched these cats debate one of the few things in this world I didn't think was debatable.

What the devil is goings on ? I want my mommy.

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335. "*LOL* at bout three people spending hours arguin the same points"
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...nobody convincin the other of anything...as least we debating somethin halfway intellectual...

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337. "who is picking blue?"
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48÷2(9+3)=

48÷2(12)=

48÷24= 2

EDIT: This post is more proof that some of you will argue over anything. How the hell are you going to debate simple math? Numbers don't lie......but niggas that suck at math do.

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339. "Did you read the thread?"
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I'm not even saying 2 is wrong, and I don't know math and the level of consensus amongst its chief practitioners enough to state with certainty that 288 is right, but there are some pretty convincing arguments for 288.

To be honest, I let both O_E's and Stravinskian's reputations on the boards influence my decision a little when I'm leaning towards 288.

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348. "Dude, I don't *know* math either, but I wasn't gonna get to 6th grade"
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unless I knew that I had to calculate the shit in the parenthesis first.
then the shit that was adjoining the parenthesis.

Like O_E said, in it's simplest terms, it's about relationship.

In Okp terms, y'all need to think of it as a woman being pregnant, what she
has in her belly (whats in the parenthesis) is thee most important thing to her,
and anything attached to her belly is secondly most important, like a lifeline or umbilical cord.

u gotta keep that shit together.

As a woman, it hurts my sensibilities that ppl think that things should be separated from the pregnant woman's belly.

therefore, I'mma assume they being sexist on purpose and r trying to
destroy families.

*sucks teeth*

Ps. If O_E is a dude, I'd smash.....if he's got a big ruler.




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352. "You're right. You and O_E would make a great couple."
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355. "now there u go., I ain't say nuffin about being a couple."
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I just said I'd smash.

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432. "I could see the first five votes for blue...."
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but the rest?

i just find it funny that people are having debates over a 4th grade math problem. There's only one answer.

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340. "Wow this was very good"
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341. "Posts like this are why I come to OKP... n/m"
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358. "And for the record, I'm on Team 2. n/m"
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342. "FOIL"
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(F)irst (O)uter (I)nner (L)ast

48÷2(9+3) = x
48÷2(12) = x
48÷24 = x
2 = x

  

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"FOIL is for (a+b)(c+d)"


  

          

which this isn't part of

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471. "lol, this isn't a polynomial or a fraction!!! "
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i can't believe people are still debating this.

  

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people throwing acronyms out there

  

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344. "400 replies for a math problem"
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arguments and all!?!?!?

lol smh...lemme go back to what i was doing...

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347. "order of operations folks "
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remember order of operations.

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wasn't there a movie that Jodie foster was in where they
said that they were going to use math to communicate with
aliens because math is a consistent language?

I think that was the movie.

also, I think part of the point of this exercise is that y'all muthafuckaas
need to stop relying on computers and "experts" to tell u what u think.

I keep tryina tell y'all that shyt. They're fine as a reference, but u need to
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351. "This nigga D goes triple plat with a god damn MATH problem!"
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these are some sad days, sad days indeed.

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353. "this post made me sad :("
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356. "soooooooo 288 is right, right? lol"
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360. "It's 2. You multiply BEFORE you divide."
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361. "the 2's position commands that it be factored"
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and its position next to the parentheses further reinforces that.

this is one of them "smart dumb nigga" problems...

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362. "no u dont factor it because there is no variable."
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the 2's position just means that you multiply it by the result of whats in the parentheses.

you do the work in the parentheses first ... so u would add the 9+3 (12) and then multiply that by 2 (24) then complete the division 48/24 = 2

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369. "your answer would have been the same via factoring"
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and we both agree that the correct answer is 2.

Just saying.

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375. "it doesn't matter that there is no variable."
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you can use the distributive property to rewrite the problem
even if there is no variable.

SEE: response #373.

i agree with you though, the answer is 2.



  

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363. "damn this brought me way back...shoulda kept up on my math"
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364. "i said 2..."
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u've got to eliminate/work those parentheses first

  

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366. " ol carry the one ass niggas"
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367. "There are 367 math experts in here."
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Not really though.

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371. "This post was so stupid it hurt me. Please DON'T archive."
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It's order of operations. How there's even a debate happening is total lunacy.

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487. "which means this post is TOTALLY getting archived"
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WATCH LOL

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622. "absolutely"
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>WATCH LOL


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372. "Waka Flocka Flame loves this post"
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373. "the answer is 2 because of the distributive property"
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http://math.about.com/od/algebra/a/distributive.htm


the distributive property tell us that we can
rewrite everything inside of the parenthesis like this:

48 ÷ (2 X 9 + 2 X 3)



when we simplify what's in the parenthesis we come out with:

48 ÷ (18 + 6)


simplifying further we get:

48 ÷ 24




in otherwords,

2






  

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377. "idk why people are dividing the 48"
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you can't separate the 2 from the parentheses

  

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379. "RE: idk why people are dividing the 48"
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>you can't separate the 2 from the parentheses

2(9+3) = (2 X 9 + 2 X 3)


i KNEW that you couldn't seperate the 2 from the parenthesis,
but i couldn't explain WHY i couldn't do that until
i googled the distributive property and wrote it out the long way.

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387. "this is one of those problems that had 2 answers in the back of the book"
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393. "you're right. #105 broke it down in a way that i missed."
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738. "i agree the answer's 2, but your reasoning's wrong"
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This doesn't do anything to resolve the debate. The distributive property doesn't *take precedence* in order of operations. It's just a mathematical truism.

>48 ÷ (2 X 9 + 2 X 3)

This step is only valid if you hold that the second and third terms are in the denominator a/k/a that the multiplication should be done before the division. The only reason you would believe that is if you believed that multiplication by juxtaposition (i.e., 2(a+b)) has higher precedence than multiplication with a symbol (i.e., 2*(a+b)).

Imagine for a second that you agree with the 288 people. You would have this:

48÷2(a+b)

The first step would ordinarily be the parentheses, but pretend you can't reduce any more and you're stuck with a+b. This shouldn't matter if the distributive property holds (it does).

What Stravinskian, Abby and the others are saying is that there's no reason to do the multiplication before the division according to standard interpretations of the order of operations. You would do the division first since it occurs first from left-right.

24(a+b)

Which would give you 288. You can see that the disagreement has nothing to do with the distributive property and everything to do with evaluating the precedence of 2(a+b) vs. 48÷2.

What I, and most of the people who are saying 2 believe, is that the lack of a multiplication symbol means that the 2(a+b) is meant to be interpreted as a single term.

See what I mean?

  

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744. "Implied brackets. "
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>What I, and most of the people who are saying 2 believe, is
>that the lack of a multiplication symbol means that the 2(a+b)
>is meant to be interpreted as a single term.

You are arguing for implied brackets around the product.

You can also argue for implied brackets around the product
vis a vis the division symbol.


Either way, the solution is 2.


Both rules are implied, and not explicit, which is
why its hard for people to grasp.


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820. "The Answer Is 2 But The Reasoning Is Wrong is Killing Me"
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O_E is right...especially based on any sort of math

When cats are trying to dog the math priniciples to say they are right is crazy

Especially if dude above just showed how you can get 2 using what we'd use algebraically

If the question is 48/2(9+3)=?
Then hypothetically, you can replace 2 with an x
So you'd get 48/x(9+3)
In that case, you'd get 48/(9x+3x)
You'd apply the x to the 9 and the 3
So going back to the original question
48/(18+6)
48/24
2

I know you knew the answer, but it's boggling my mind how people are insistent that it's wrong.

  

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842. "i get that now. you are right."
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i saw the 2 right next the the parenthesis, and assumed there should be a bracket there.

but if you work from left to right, and assume that the brackets aren't there, the the answer is 288.

i missed that half of the argument earlier in the post but i get both sides now.

  

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376. "the dummies in the post arent the ones arguing 2 or 288"
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it's the ones spitting out sh*t that's 100% untrue, lol. neither strav or OE are mathematical idiots for reaching two different numbers.

but the ppl calling people idiots cause "multiplication comes before division" and ppl repeating the same types of misinformation already debunked in this post is hilarious.

a few folks go back and forth dropping all kinds of knowledge then a buncha replies later, here comes somebody w/ some straight bullsh*t.

i actually ended up learning a couple of things in this post.

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389. "RE: the dummies in the post arent the ones arguing 2 or 288"
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>it's the ones spitting out sh*t that's 100% untrue, lol.
>neither strav or OE are mathematical idiots for reaching two
>different numbers.
>
>but the ppl calling people idiots cause "multiplication comes
>before division" and ppl repeating the same types of
>misinformation already debunked in this post is hilarious.



yeah, #105 broke down the subtle argument pretty well.
i don't know where the "multipcation comes before division" thing comes from.

i see where there is a subtle point of contention though.
i sort of missed that my first time through the thread.




>
>a few folks go back and forth dropping all kinds of knowledge
>then a buncha replies later, here comes somebody w/ some
>straight bullsh*t.
>
>i actually ended up learning a couple of things in this post.
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378. "ARCHIVE"
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I'm just saying, this is a 350+ reply post about a math problem

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383. "Why isn't there a division symbol on the keyboard?"
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Couldn't they have stuck it in the far top right corner and made the plus sign over there smaller? There's already another plus sign over the equals sign anyway.

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390. "I enjoyed this post ... and the correct answer is.."
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The correct answer is 2.

Rule #1
Parenthesis first! (all agree)

Rule #2
Number next multiply(2ab, 2x, 2(a+b) etc.) = Multiplication. (most agree)

Rule #3
PEMDAS
Multiply before you Divide... Add before you Subtract. (source of contention)

Some people are interpreting PEMDAS incorrectly.
This is supposed to be literal in order of operations. Some people are saying the MD means they are on the same level. MD means Multiply First!

And one person straight up said PEDMAS! HAHAHAHA!

So (9+3) first.
Then 2(12).
Then 48/24.

Anything else is just incorrect. Granted the equation could be written more clearly.







  

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410. "What? Um...no."
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>Some people are interpreting PEMDAS incorrectly.
>This is supposed to be literal in order of operations. Some
>people are saying the MD means they are on the same level. MD
>means Multiply First!

Seriously?! Where do you people get this from?!




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations

>>In other English speaking countries, Brackets may be called Parentheses, or symbols of inclusion and Exponentiation may be called either Indices, Powers or Orders, and since multiplication and division are of equal precedence, M and D are often interchanged, leading to such acronyms as BIMDAS, BODMAS, BOMDAS, BERDMAS, PERDMAS, PEMDAS, and BPODMAS.<<

http://www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-pemdas.html

>>P
Parentheses first
E
Exponents (ie Powers and Square Roots, etc.)
MD
Multiplication and Division (left-to-right)
AS
Addition and Subtraction (left-to-right)<<



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449. "Like I said before..."
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Most of the people getting 2 are utilizing pedmas incorrectly.

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535. "I admit now... I was using PEMDAS incorrectly. "
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391. "Somewhere else on the internet, people are laughing at all of you"
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and starting a thread about this thread



which will have hundreds of responses as well

  

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This problem is being debated all over the internet.


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404. "Proving that most people are stupid"
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Stupid enough to not be able to solve the equation
stupid enough to argue over it


and stupid enough to do so over the internet

  

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394. "so what is the correct answer?"
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i ain't readin all that shit up top

by the way
the only person i'm givin credence to is DaHeathenOne76

  

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396. "288"
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399. "The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"
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440. "^^^^FUCKIN WIN!!!!"
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649. "*and THIS is where i'll place my cosine** <-mafamatiks related spelling...."
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414. "Both bc the notation is ambigouos"
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<-><-><-><-><-><-><-><-><->
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*embraces my inner nerddom* .....lol....

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442. "867-5309"
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but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
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965. "1-900-MIX-A-LOT"
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and kick them nasty thoughts...

  

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819. "it is indeed. i'm showing this mess of post to my 9th graders."
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909. "That you would show this post to 9th graders is the real problem"
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Way to go, teacher!

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938. "what, asshead?"
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this actually offers the perfect opportunity to demonstrate differences in notation and why using parenthesis/brackets is crucial to avoiding ambiguity... thanks dumbass. the answer's 288 btw

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405. "Who's smarter? You or the compiler?"
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(48/2) * (12/1)

or

48/

>>> 48/2 * (9+3)
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407. "Both answers are correct. The formula is poorly written."
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For example, 1/2x could be taken to mean (1/2)x or it could mean 1/(2x).Either way, when writing formulas parenthesis should be used to make the intention clear.

The issue with this particular formula is that is LOOKS clear when glancing at it because it includes parenthesis already 0 but that set of parenthesis does nothing to clear up the distinction between it being (48÷2)(9+3)=x or it being 48÷(2(9+3)). This is the reason why you have forums all over the net arguing one answer or the other. The question isn't clear as to what it is asking so both answers are correct.

  

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411. "RE: Both answers are correct. The formula is poorly written."
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It's looks like the entire thing is an exercise on why proper notation is so important.

  

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418. "Exactly, that's all this is. They made a formula that looks like it's "
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properly notated, when it really isn't, and the result is that the entire internet is split on what the answer is. The great thing about this example is that if you google it you have everyone split on it from kids in middle school, to current math majors (some have asked their professors the answers and posted info), hip-hop sites, engineers and physicists. And all of this blew up over the last few days.

  

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413. "nah, the answer is 2."
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it's not about how it's written, it's about how its read.

it's (forty eight) divided by (two times twelve)

  

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"How it's read has absolutely nothing to do with it."


  

          

>it's not about how it's written, it's about how its read.
>
>it's (forty eight) divided by (two times twelve)

Because both 48÷(2*12) and (48÷2)*12would be read aloud exactly the same way, and one will be 2 and the other will be 288.

It's a poorly written question. I mean even when you typed out how it sounds when read aloud, you typed parenthesis to indicate your meaning, and those parenthesis are not audible. You could have said "it's (forty eight divided by two) times (twelve)" and it would sound the same way when read aloud.

  

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427. "Wow. You might want to edit. "
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>Because both 48÷(2*12) and (48÷2)*12would be read aloud
>exactly the same way, and one will be 2 and the other will be
>288.

LOL -- re-read this, sparky.

48÷(2*12) = "48 divided by the product of 2 and 12"

(48÷2)*12 = "48 divided by 2, multiplied by 12."


Those two are completely different.


LOL


LOL


Only one of them is right, though.

Hint: The one yielding '2' is correct.


>It's a poorly written question.

No, its a poorly understood question. Its just
a question. Don't be mad because you didn't interpret
it properly.


I mean even when you typed out
>how it sounds when read aloud, you typed parenthesis to
>indicate your meaning, and those parenthesis are not audible.
>You could have said "it's (forty eight divided by two) times
>(twelve)" and it would sound the same way when read aloud.

See, this is what I mean. You guys aren't so bright.

The parenthesis absolutely are audible. You have to
read the expression properly, though.



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447. "RE: How it's read has absolutely nothing to do with it."
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>Because both 48÷(2*12) and (48÷2)*12would be read aloud
>exactly the same way, and one will be 2 and the other will be
>288.
>


er...
6 X (2+3) and 6 X 2 + 3 sound the same when "read aloud."

but both of those "equations" have different answers.

how it sounds has no bearing on the meaning. that's what
the parenthesis are for.



i agree, it's poorly worded,
but not for the reason you stated.

  

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468. "I agree...I was just responding to Promo who mentioned reading aloud "
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as an argument in favor of 2 being the only correct answer.

  

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470. "You're wrong and ignored my post. "
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>as an argument in favor of 2 being the only correct answer.

Reading them aloud as you wrote them gives 2 completely
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493. "Sometimes, arguing with someone is a waste of time."
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I can recognize when it makes sense to argue and when it doesn't.

  

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501. "Translation: "I apologize, O_E.""
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My argument is impenetrable, since I'm the only one
who has consistently understood the context of the
question:

It uses silly symbolism that we do not use in mathematics
for the sole purpose of communicating relationships to
people who don't understand fractions (again, generally
below the 4th grade).

That is why you have ÷ in this situation.
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460. "And there you go... Another person that sees the debate..."
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You framed the debate correctly but most of the people getting 2 are not working it as 48÷(2(9+3))(treating everything to the right as the denominator) they are working 48÷2(9+3) incorrectly as 48÷2*12 THEN working right to left as opposed to left to right because they fell that multiplication takes priority over division. This is where the work used becomes important.

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415. "I am entertained."
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430. "thoroughly. "
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"show your work"

don't be fkn evil.

  

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419. "it's ambiguous"
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because of different interpretations. in any setting where this would matter, parentheses or something else would be used to clarify things and avoid these situations.

  

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423. "Its not ambiguous at all. People just aren't very bright. "
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People don't know the difference between
computational notation and non-computational notation.

÷ <--not computational notation.

Its a symbol used to teach 3rd graders about
relationships before they learn fractions. That's
what its use is.

The problem as buildingblock wrote it is basically
a word problem, and not a calculation or even an
"equation."


It is read as:


48 DIVIDED BY the product of 2 and (9+3)


That's what it is.

Any other interpretation is applying mathematical
notation-ology where it is not necessary and is
wrong.

The trick is in the ÷ sign. That is not mathematical
notation at all. Its 3rd grade symbolism to learn
relationships before kids learn fractions (a key pivot
point in the math/science educational trajectory of kids.


Like I said -- I hate being right all the time, but
I am right here.


People are lying, flip-flopping, referencing obscure
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431. "i see your point now."
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the "divided by" makes a difference in how you are reading the equation.

before i thought you were just trolling but i see where
you're coming from now.

  

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435. ""
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>the "divided by" makes a difference in how you are reading
>the equation.

After 3rd grade, we don't need symbolic tricks to
teach us fractions.

If you wrote the ÷ in any actual, grown up math equation,
you'd be laughed out of the room, because its only used for
situations when the reader doesn't grasp the relational
aspects of fractions.

This is why keyboards don't even HAVE the ÷ sign anymore.

You see it below 4th grade math levels, and on calculators
(again, for symbolic purposes, mostly because a horizontal
line would like like a dash on the keys of a calculator)

The problem as stated means to communicate that
48 is the numerator, and the expression that follows
is the denominator.




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448. "Can you find anything to back up your claim?"
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That "÷" has a different meaning than "/"? Other than you just stating it's true because you're right.

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453. "it's all about the context clues that he's using."
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>That "÷" has a different meaning than "/"? Other than you
>just stating it's true because you're right.
>
>


i don't know that it means a different thing
as much as the two symbols have a different context.

nobody uses the "÷" symbol in grown-up math situations.
only grade schoolers use that symbol.

so O_E is saying that if you see that symbol, you should read it
as if you were solving a grade school word problem.

and if you read it as a grade school word problem, the answer is 2...
not 288.


the problem is worded in an ambiguous way,
so to decipher the correct intretation,
O_E rellied on context clues.


i see where he's coming from now.



  

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457. "There is no inference in a pure arithmetic problem..."
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if there is a special meaning for "÷" that forces you to group the terms after it, then I could agree with O_E.

But if not, then could just treat "÷" the same as "/" and get 288.

I can see why some people are getting different answers. The question is stated terribly. But O_E reasons for getting the wrong answer are based on made up (and wrong) rules

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458. "it's ambiguous."
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the way the problem is worded
allows you to reach two different answers.

i don't see anything wrong with trying to use context clues
to determine which answer is "correct".

like i said, it's poorly worded.

but at the end of the day,
this is a semantical argument.
not a mathematical one.

  

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469. "LOL @ "pure arithmetic" problem"
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>if there is a special meaning for "÷" that forces you to
>group the terms after it, then I could agree with O_E.

This is not a PURE mathematical argument. LOL.

Its a problem used in elementary school mathematics

Its using a symbol to teach kids how to understand
the relationships between numbers specifically because
the problem doesn't want to use fractions (which
haven't been taught yet).

If it was PURE we wouldn't be using ÷


>But if not, then could just treat "÷" the same as "/" and get
>288.

Well, no. The problem does convert the ÷ into a /, but
it does so with the intention of demarcating a clear
numerator and denominator.

>I can see why some people are getting different answers. The
>question is stated terribly. But O_E reasons for getting the
>wrong answer are based on made up (and wrong) rules

LOL -- no, they're not. Like I said, this is basically a word
problem using symbols that aren't even mathematical. That is,
again, why ÷ isn't used anywhere else other than to people
who don't understand fractions.


You can admit that I have a good point. Nobody will beat
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434. "I don't know"
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that there is this amount of disagreement about a pretty simple expression points to it being really poorly stated in the first place. Partly, thats the mediums fault, but also it's just ambiguous which rule to apply.

  

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436. "Nah. You can't be mad at the problem. Its just math. "
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>that there is this amount of disagreement about a pretty
>simple expression points to it being really poorly stated in
>the first place. Partly, thats the mediums fault, but also
>it's just ambiguous which rule to apply.

It didn't do anything to anyone.

The problems are in the interpretations. That's
"our (not my)" fault.

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438. "but you can be mad at the person who wrote it that way"
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If 2 was the intended answer, write it 48/(2*((9+3))) (Excel speak).

If 288, write it (48/2)*(9+3). Aggregation squashes confusion.

  

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444. "i'll say this much..."
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if this "equation" was being used
in any context that really mattered...
like, to build a bridge or engineer something else important,
it would be stated in a much clearer way.

hearing your argument the way you presented it just now
makes me think that your interpretation is correct,
but it's not like the other side was coming out of left field...

if i was writing it, i would try to be as clear as possible,
even if there is only one correct answer.


like you said, the "divided by" sign
is never used once you leave elementary school...
probablly to avoid this type of ambiguity.


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475. "It might be amiguous, but I'm still right. "
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>if this "equation" was being used
>in any context that really mattered...
>like, to build a bridge or engineer something else important,

Well, thankfully its not being used to build a bridge
or engineer something.

Its used for the 3rd grade.

>hearing your argument the way you presented it just now
>makes me think that your interpretation is correct,
>but it's not like the other side was coming out of left
>field...

No, of course not, but I'm still right.

>if i was writing it, i would try to be as clear as possible,
>even if there is only one correct answer.
>
>
>like you said, the "divided by" sign
>is never used once you leave elementary school...
>probablly to avoid this type of ambiguity.
>
>
>this post was fun.



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422. "this is standard middle school math in both africa & asia"
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smh at yall dumbfucks.

the correct answer is 288 btw

  

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425. "RE: this is standard middle school math in both africa & asia"
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I'm still confused on how people think that the MD part of PEMDAS means "multiply then divide". Every math teacher I've had since 6th grade would laugh at that shit.

  

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429. "Its standard elementary school math in the USA "
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The people getting it wrong, like you, are an
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424. "Please archive."
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I'm going to need some decent free time at home to read the strav vs. O.E. debates in this thread.

  

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439. ""
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48÷2(9+3)=
48÷..2(9)+3
48÷18+2(3)
48÷18+6
48÷24= 2

I was taught to always multiply the number outside the parenthesis by the numbers in the parenthesis first then work it out with other numbers.

  

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443. ""
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To do that you would have to skip the division on the right side though to multiply...which makes no sense in the order of operations since the division would come first going left to right.

  

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587. ""
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I don't even see how you could get 288 out of this equation? It's like yall over read or added something to the problem when all you had to do was use the format in proper order that you see.

  

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667. "I don't see what's so hard to get...."
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Once you done the expression inside of the parenthesis it's done.

48÷2(9+3)

48÷2*12

Why on earth would you multiply on side of the equation that's no longer in parenthesis when you have a divisor on the leftmost side? That makes no sense whatsoever.

And even if you left the 12 in parenthesis, that wouldn't denote that you have to do it first.

2(12) = a regular multiplication problem

  

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853. "why did you exchange the parenthesis for a multiplication sign????"
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what math problem have you EVER done with parenthesis that required you to remove them when a number still exist within them??? What math problem have you ever done that required you to EXCHANGE one symbol for another??? your 2*12 should have stayed 2(12) and that trumps doing the division first. Google screwed up just as well by reading it as (48/2)*(9+3) when the * AINT NECCESSARY when you already have it as 2(whatever#'s inside).

  

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441. "STOP THE POLITICS OF DIVISION!"
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You can't see what they are trying to do to us here?

  

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446. "nice."
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531. "Divide and bicker"
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732. "^ lol"
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>You can't see what they are trying to do to us here?

  

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445. "I voted blue. "
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All the votes for red explain why the US is so far behind in math compared to the rest of the world.

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455. "That's what I'm saying..."
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Most of the people getting 2 are using pedmas incorrectly. They would HAVE to get 288 if they are using pedmas correctly. The only argument that I've seen for 2 that is "logically" correct(I dispute but see where the debate is) is if you are compelled to solve 2(9+3) as the denominator for 48 but based on the way that it's written I don't see why you would be compelled to do so.

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523. "blue, the US FAILED in math..."
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:(

damn, are folk *NOT* realizing they're using PEMDAS correctly?!

*scratches head*

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450. "2"
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you have to do the work in the parentheses first.
48 / 2 ( 9 + 3)

48 / 18 + 6

48 / 24

2

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452. "To those of you citing calculators:"
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There's a reason why PEMDAS exists-- so you know how to type something into a calculator to avoid mistakes like the ones calculators might make.

I did the Google Calculator that people are citing. It automatically adds in parentheses, which then changes the answer. If you do the problem without the parentheses, the way it is written, there is only one and CAN BE only one answer.

PARENTHESES

9 + 3 = 12

MULTIPLICATION

2 * 12 = 24

DIVISION

48/24 = 2

Really, if you wanted to type that problem into a calculator accurately, you should type it that way.

Then again, if you couldn't do that problem in your head, then y'all need a refresher on math anyway, no offense.

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456. "Again with this?"
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http://www.mathsisfun.com/operation-order-pemdas.html

>>P
Parentheses first
E
Exponents (ie Powers and Square Roots, etc.)
MD
Multiplication and Division (left-to-right)
AS
Addition and Subtraction (left-to-right)<<

There's absolutely no reason to be multiplying before dividing in this situation. None.

  

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459. "Or you could solve the problem as it's written instead of inferring"
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Google Calculator puts the parenthesis in because that's how the problem is solved. Multiplication and division have equal rank in PEMDAS so we work for left to right.

First (48/2). Then multiply by 12 (or 9+3)

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463. "why would you give multiplication preference over division?"
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the standard order of operations doesn't establish multiplication as having precedence over division. moreover, it is understood that multiplication and division are inverse operations. they represent the same operation written in a different way.

division is the same as multiplication of the reciprocal, and multiplication is the same as division of the reciprocal. similar to how addition is the same as subtraction of the negative.

using the standard order of operations to solve mathematical expressions, the answer to the problem would be 288.

the order of precedence in a mathematical expression is as follows:

Terms inside of Brackets or Parentheses.
Exponents and Roots.
Multiplication and Division.
Addition and Subtraction.

if there are two or more operations with equal precedence (such as 10÷2÷5 or 7÷2*9), those operations should be done from left to right.

the problem “48÷2(9+3) =” would be solved like this:

48 ÷ 2 * (9+3)=
48 ÷ 2 * (12)=
48 ÷ 2 * 12=
24 * 12=
288

to get a different answer (2) you have to think that "implied" multiplication has some sort of precedence. this would be the result of misunderstanding the mnemonic that PEMDAS intends to convey and also misunderstanding that division and multiplication represent the same operation in a different way (no precedence implied).

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464. "RE: why would you give multiplication preference over division?"
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>the standard order of operations doesn't establish
>multiplication as having precedence over division. moreover,
>it is understood that multiplication and division are inverse
>operations. they represent the same operation written in a
>different way.
>
>division is the same as multiplication of the reciprocal, and
>multiplication is the same as division of the reciprocal.
>similar to how addition is the same as subtraction of the
>negative.

Thank you for reiterating this. I'm slightly confounded at the number of people who don't seem to get this concept. A lot of people are acting like multiplication and division are different things and that multiplication take precedent because it came first in the mnemonic device that they learned when they were teenagers.

  

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481. "I see what you're saying."
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This changes the way I'm looking at it. I still cling to the fact that in every math class I've taken, it would be 2... but I acknowledge that I stopped taking math in college and understand your explanation to be logical, even if it differs from my admittedly very fundamental understanding of mathematics.

I still say that if the writer of the problem wanted to be clearer, they would've put parentheses up about the first part, then neither camp would have grounds for disagreement. But I see the logic in your explanation.

Now explain to poor Bartek below, who is apparently a lone wolf in his logic.

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510. "the poor notation is what confuses people. that's agreed. "
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as for BasedTek, I can't help him.

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558. "pretty much"
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i mean, can't people tell the order of operations in PEMDAS and what operations should be done in what order?

*sigh*

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472. "DIVISION COMES BEFORE MULTIPLICATION STUPID!"
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The answer is 288

  

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478. "Well, you're wrong to both camps, cousin."
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One camp is multiplication before division.

The other camp is left to right because both are given equal weight since they're inverses.

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489. "There is no other camp dude!!! LOL"
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>One camp is multiplication before division.
>

What camp?! The camp that failed grade 11 math in high school?!

Devision always comes before multiplication... there are no opinions in math! hahahahahaah, this isn't like a debate on aliens bro, this is pure solid mathematical reasoning....


>The other camp is left to right because both are given equal
>weight since they're inverses.

What inverse?! This isn't a fraction! This isn't solve for X! This isn't a polynomial! It's a basic and very simple PEDMAS equation!

I can't believe you people don't see the simple logic in this.

This equation was designed for the purpose of teaching you about notation.

You took the equation and you are solving it in this way:

48
_____
2(9+3) =

^ This is a fraction. You solve the denominator first and then the fraction itself... THIS WOULD GIVE YOU 2.

However, the problem is not noted that way and you can't convert it to that to suit your answer... If you want to actually convert the equation toa fraction it looks like.

48
__ (9+3)

2

which now equls?!! 48 / 2 = 24 (9+3) = 288.

This is now correct.

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564. "RE: DIVISION COMES BEFORE MULTIPLICATION STUPID!"
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um actually you are wrong:

PEMDAS

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

your logic makes no sense because if you look at PEMDAS, M comes before the D...

Since you do operations in order from LEFT to RIGHT, you're multiply numbers BEFORE you divide them.

sorry you're wrong. you got the right answer (288), but the order you are suggesting is incorrect.

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668. "RE: DIVISION COMES BEFORE MULTIPLICATION STUPID!"
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>your logic makes no sense because if you look at PEMDAS, M
>comes before the D...
>

That just means you would multiply AND divide as you go along the equation from left to right. There's no precedence here.

  

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747. "PEMDAS could just as well be PEDMSA."
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It's not because as a mnemonic, it doesn't roll off the tongue as easily.

That is, multiplication aspects of a multi-part problem--like this--take no precedence over division (and likewise for addition and subtraction) unless the multiplication aspect comes before the division when reading the problem. In this case it doesn't.

Therefore, the division of 48 and 2 precedes the multiplication of 2 (or, once the division has been done, the multiplication of 24...) and (9+3) ; (48/2)(9+3) is 288.

There are people arguing that 2(12) is a single term, and that would be the only way people could arrive at 2 being the answer to 48/2(9+3).

  

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454. "Almost 500 replies... sheesh"
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I got two tho.

  

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465. "The distributive property..."
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484. "Yes it does..."
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Without an equation sign of any kind between a number and parentheses it does apply.
Since parentheses are acted on first, you need to solve that part of the equation first whether you use PEMDAS or anything else for that fact.
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503. "No...it doesn't..."
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Mon Apr-11-11 02:35 PM by Doc Catalyst

  

          

>Since parentheses are acted on first, you need to solve that
>part of the equation first whether you use PEMDAS or anything
>else for that fact.

The only part of the parenthesis that's acted on first is the expression WITHIN the parenthesis. The distributive property by definition is a form of multiplication therefore it wouldn't come before the division.


  

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526. "RE: Yes it does..."
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The 2 is not a separate part of the equation of 9+3. If it is then it needs a separate bracket grouping it with the 48.
The 2 acts on the the number in the parentheses therefore it has to be solved for first.

If I were to put a square root in front of the parentheses
or any other number/variable, it would mean take this and to it to everything in this equation. That doesn't disappear here.

>
>>Since parentheses are acted on first, you need to solve that
>>part of the equation first whether you use PEMDAS or
>anything
>>else for that fact.
>
>The only part of the parenthesis that's acted on first is the
>expression WITHIN the parenthesis. The distributive property
>by definition is a form of multiplication therefore it
>wouldn't come before the division.
>
>
>


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532. "you would be right if this were a polynomial."
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583. "you could express this problem as a polynomial."
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48÷2(x)
given that x = 9 + 3


nothing has changed,
but now you see how it's possible to arrive at two different answers.

the notation is ambiguous.







  

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538. "RE: Yes it does..."
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>If it is
>then it needs a separate bracket grouping it with the 48.

Which, while making it equation clearer, isn't necessary since the division symbol on the left takes precedence over the multiplication you see to be inferring.


>The 2 acts on the the number in the parentheses therefore it
>has to be solved for first.


Acting on a number in the parentheses =/= INSIDE of the parenthesis. Therefore, the only thing that comes first is 9+3 followed by the division.


>If I were to put a square root in front of the parentheses
>or any other number/variable, it would mean take this and to
>it to everything in this equation.

Only if this was the left most operation. This is changed by the presence of the 48 and division symbol.

  

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467. "Obviously, we need a NY OKP to head up to Harlem and get @ NGE"
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DO THE MATH!

  

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473. "As written, the answer is 288, that is fact, there is no other answer."
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PEMDAS:
Parentheses
Exponents
Multiplication and Division left to right (they are equal)
Addition and Subtraction left to right (they are equal).

Therefore:

48/2(9+3)

parentheses first, therefore it becomes:

48/2*12

Multiplication and division left to right, as they are equal, therefore:

24*12

24*12 = 288.

The answer is 288. There is no other answer. Math is absolute. 288 is the right answer. This is not a matter of opinion, ever.

The answer would be 2 if it was written like this:

48/(2(9+3))

End post. 288 is the answer. Anyone who says the answer is 2 to the way the OP was written is wrong, that is fact.

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474. "I just marked your paper in red. "
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>Therefore:
>
>48/2(9+3)

Right off the bat, you read the question wrong.




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476. "Enlighten me then."
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I couldn't find how to use the 3rd grade version of the division symbol so I used the slash instead.

Fix my work, then.

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480. "Well, you got it wrong. Just deal with it, and K.I.M."
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>I couldn't find how to use the 3rd grade version of the
>division symbol so I used the slash instead.
>
>Fix my work, then.

Because the division symbol, ÷, is not random. Its
only used to communicate relationships between objects
to individuals who do not understand fractions, which
is exactly why you almost never see the ÷ used after
very elementary school math.

You guys don't really grasp mathematical context very
well, which is why you're getting it wrong. Ironically,
in trying to be so smart, you've overlooked the fact that
÷ isn't even mathematical. Its symbolic, and like I said,
it basically tells us that we're reading a word problem
where the left side of ÷ is the numerator, and all items
on the right side (all items) comprise the denominator.

That being the case,

48 ÷ 2(9+3)

Reads:

"48 divided by the product of 2 and the sum of 9 and 3."


That answer is 2.


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486. "I probably should keep it moving..."
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because you're clearly pretty far behind in your schooling, but I can't help it, I like to teach the uninformed.

The answer is 288. Your trying to turn this into an english problem by breaking it down isn't helping your case. I broke it down for you already but I'll do it again.

PEMDAS

Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication&Division left to right, Addition&Subtraction left to right. That's the rule. That's always been the rule. If you're below a 3rd grade education level, that's why I'm here to help you out.

Judging by the above absolute fact, 48/2(9+3) is 288. If you do what I instructed you to do above, you come to 288. You cannot possibly come to 2 by doing the math correctly. You're doing the math incorrectly. Most americans learned this in elementary school.

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492. "LOL. And you just wrote the problem wrong again. "
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>The answer is 288. Your trying to turn this into an english
>problem by breaking it down isn't helping your case. I broke
>it down for you already but I'll do it again.


LOL

>PEMDAS
>
>Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication&Division left to right,
>Addition&Subtraction left to right. That's the rule. That's
>always been the rule. If you're below a 3rd grade education
>level, that's why I'm here to help you out.

Yeah, I didn't get out of the first grade, actually.

>Judging by the above absolute fact, 48/2(9+3) is 288.

LOL -- that is not the proposed problem.

LOL @ you ignoring the use of ÷, which is specifically
there to denote a specific relationship between the
numbers, namely, that 48 is being divided by the
expression that follows.


If you
>do what I instructed you to do above, you come to 288. You
>cannot possibly come to 2 by doing the math correctly.

Weird, not even Stravinskian said this. At least he hid
behind the "its ambiguous" argument.

Now you're advancing a more wrong argument than
the wrong people.


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479. "Dude, your ego is in the way of learning."
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You will not concede because you have put too much effort into 2. Anyone talking to you is wasting their time. You are basically one of those people that can't admit they are wrong. Scientific calculators, the web, pure mathematical reasoning tells you its 288 but you continue to press for 2 because you are writing down the problem incorrectly.. it is not a fraction. It doesn't ask you to convert to fraction and solve... it's just a simple order of operations equation taught to high schoolers in an attempt to teach the importance of correct order of operations and notation.

You're failing high school right now bro. Give it a rest.

  

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483. "Word. It's pretty simple."
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288. That's the answer. It's absolute. If block meant the answer to be 2, he would've written 48/(2(9+3)). He didn't. Therefore the answer is 288. There is no other answer.

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494. "Basically.. but notation with the / on the comp is confusing.."
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Some people interpret the "/" symbol as division and some as a fraction... some combine it.. the symbol that you are supposed to use is in the original equation... which makes it a basic pedmas problem.. not a fraction.

  

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505. ""
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>Some people interpret the "/" symbol as division and some as
>a fraction... some combine it.. the symbol that you are
>supposed to use is in the original equation... which makes it
>a basic pedmas problem.. not a fraction.

LOL

÷ is not a mathematical expression at all.

LOL

LOL

Its a VERBAL guide to how you arrange the objects
in the expression.

Again -- that is why we don't use it above 4th grade.


LOL...that point is absolutely impenetrable....LOL


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515. "Hahaha now you're just making shit up?"
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Find me written documentation from someone way smarter than you who says that "÷" is not at all the same as "/", please. Otherwise, you're making shit up.

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519. "Oh, so we've resorted to lying. I would lie if I was you too. "
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>Find me written documentation from someone way smarter than
>you who says that "÷" is not at all the same as "/", please.

Nobody said that, and you know it.


And the handful of people smarter than me would all
answer the way I'm answering, because they know the
difference between a 3rd grade word problem and a
mathematical expression.


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485. "LOL -- except for the fact that you're wrong and I'm right. "
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>You will not concede because you have put too much effort
>into 2. Anyone talking to you is wasting their time. You are
>basically one of those people that can't admit they are wrong.

Says the people who don't understand that ÷ is not even
mathematical notation.

>Scientific calculators, the web, pure mathematical reasoning
>tells you its 288 but you continue to press for 2 because you
>are writing down the problem incorrectly.. it is not a
>fraction. It doesn't ask you to convert to fraction and
>solve... it's just a simple order of operations equation
>taught to high schoolers in an attempt to teach the importance
>of correct order of operations and notation.



>You're failing high school right now bro. Give it a rest.

Sounds like a bigger problem. If you learned this in high
school, that sort of tells me everything that I need to
know about why you think ÷ is a legitimate math expression,
when it isn't.


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490. "Whatever bro. I'm not going to debate with your ego."
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it's a simple problem you can solve but refuse to as you took your stance on the incorrect answer and have to protect your widdy piddy ego.

  

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495. "Eh, I ain't the one credential dropping and inventing shit. "
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I mean, I post about tittays and rap music.

Y'all are the ones who won't admit that you read
÷ incorrectly. The minute you see it, you're not
dealing with "pure mathematics" or "pure arithmetic."

That is where the problem is.

You are trying to turn a non-pure mathematics problem
into a pure mathematics problem.

Its not.

Its basically a word problem.

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504. "You're a life problem bro."
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507. "Being right? Yep. Gets me into trouble all of the time. "
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*shrugs*


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517. "you get in trouble becuase you leave the ice cream out retard. nm"
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521. "I'd be mad if I was you too."
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482. "this post is outstanding"
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all of these replies for a math problem...

lord y'all are the best...LOL

and I voted blue

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528. "awww thanks validation at its FINEST"
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keep it up! LOL!

but seriously

i think what's tripping people is the ORDER OF OPERATIONS like i think you posted above...

folk are getting it mixed up...

doing the work in the parenthesis is correct.

BUT you multiply and/or divide left to right:

48/2(9+3)=
48/2(12)=
24(12)=
24*12=288

you go from left to right you take care of the MD in PEMDAS. What's left is the correct answer, 288.

You don't need a Goggle calculator or ANY kind of calculator to do this.

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537. "Most of the people getting 2 are utilizing incorrect logic..."
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or are not using THEIR rules correctly. There are some things I'm seeing for 2 that are reason for debate... the logic is correct but the question is if their stated rules and methodology are appropriated or correct. For the most part, however, people getting 2 are using pemdas incorrectly.

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554. "All of the people using 288 didn't read the question properly. "
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>or are not using THEIR rules correctly. There are some
>things I'm seeing for 2 that are reason for debate... the
>logic is correct but the question is if their stated rules and
>methodology are appropriated or correct. For the most part,
>however, people getting 2 are using pemdas incorrectly.

Its all about setting up the problem.

If you didn't put 48 in the numerator, you didn't
set the problem up correctly based on the information
you were given.

Simple as that.

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508. "everybody that is saying "multipication before division" is wrong."
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i've seen that posted a bunch of times in this post,
and i don't know where it comes from.

multipication and division are on the exact same level in the order of operations.

that is not why we should be disagreeing on what the right answer is.


the probem is should you or should you not
distrubute the in the part of the problem that says: 2(9+3).

if you view the 2 as being part of the parenthesis,
then you should distrubte and teh answer is 2.

if you view the 2 as being seperate from the parenthesis,
you should not distribute, and the answer is 288.


mulitipcation before division has nothing do do with anything.
that's not even true.

  

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509. "They wont care"
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512. "Or, you could read the problem correctly, and avoid all of that. "
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And say, as you're supposed to, that:


"48 divided by the product of 2 and the sum of 9 and 3)."


When read correctly, the answer is 2.


That is actually how the question was intended to be
read and solved.


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513. "But this isn't a "viewing" problem."
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No one should "view" the 2 as part of the parentheses. It is OUTSIDE of the parentheses, therefore it is not part of the parentheses. It would be part of the parentheses written like this:

48/(2(9+3))

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516. "Weird. Now you're arguing something different. "
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>No one should "view" the 2 as part of the parentheses. It is
>OUTSIDE of the parentheses, therefore it is not part of the
>parentheses. It would be part of the parentheses written like
>this:
>
>48/(2(9+3))

Because even the people arguing 288 have said that the
2 being fused to the parenthesis makes it very ambiguous.


You could have just done it correctly, and read the
problem out loud (or inside your head):

"48 divided by the product of 2 and the sum of 9 and 3"

The answer is 2.

There's no other way to solve it, because the problem was
designed to be solved the way that I just solved it.

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520. "You don't have to read it out loud if you're doing it correctly."
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Cause then you're only confusing yourself. Clearly, since you're coming to the wrong answer. The 2 is outside the parentheses. When a number comes right before the parentheses, that number is assumed to be multiplied after the work in the parentheses is done. Therefore, it's 48÷2x12, done left to right the way it's supposed to be would be 24x12, which is 288. Which is the correct answer when you do math correctly. When you do math incorrectly, you come to 2 or maybe even something else. You are doing your math incorrectly. And your stubbornness in this situation to listen to what you're being told is why you admittedly didn't pass the 1st grade. Sad state of affairs sir.

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524. "LOL. The problem is written for people who can't use fractions. LOL"
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LOL.

That is specifically why we're using ÷

That much isn't debatable.

>Cause then you're only confusing yourself.

Wrong, you're confusing yourself because you can't read.

>Clearly, since
>you're coming to the wrong answer. The 2 is outside the
>parentheses. When a number comes right before the
>parentheses, that number is assumed to be multiplied after the
>work in the parentheses is done. Therefore, it's 48÷2x12,
>done left to right the way it's supposed to be would be 24x12,
>which is 288. Which is the correct answer when you do math
>correctly. When you do math incorrectly, you come to 2 or
>maybe even something else. You are doing your math
>incorrectly. And your stubbornness in this situation to
>listen to what you're being told is why you admittedly didn't
>pass the 1st grade. Sad state of affairs sir.

A lot of mumbo jumbo, but I'll accept my apology.

÷ is not even a mathematical "operator." Its a visual
symbol to get kids to not fuck up their fractional
relationships.

This, again, is why we don't use it after the advent
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530. "Doesn't matter who it's written for "LOL LOL LOL""
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>
>LOL.
>
>That is specifically why we're using ÷
>
>That much isn't debatable.

So since when does that change the meaning? Ok so we're using "÷" instead of "/" because this is written for 3rd graders. That changes the order of PEMDAS? You're not even making sense "lol"


>A lot of mumbo jumbo, but I'll accept my apology.
>
>÷ is not even a mathematical "operator." Its a visual
>symbol to get kids to not fuck up their fractional
>relationships.

Which means that you disregard PEMDAS and do the whole problem differently? Again, you're making shit up. And not making sense. And it's sad.

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567. ""
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Exactly. We don't. Almost never. You'll get laughed
out of any room for using it in any legitimate
mathematics conversation.

Its there to cognitively orient young people to divide
48 by the expression that follows. That's why its
there.


Sorry, but that's undeniable.


>So since when does that change the meaning? Ok so we're using
>"÷" instead of "/" because this is written for 3rd graders.
>That changes the order of PEMDAS? You're not even making sense
>"lol"

Context cues are there specifically to fix the ambiguity.

That we're using dumbass symbols like ÷ tells us the
type of problem we're dealing with, rendering it less
ambiguous.


>Which means that you disregard PEMDAS and do the whole problem
>differently? Again, you're making shit up. And not making
>sense. And it's sad.

LOL -- who disregarded PEMDAS?

LOL.

I just read the problem correctly.



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574. "Written proof of this from someone way smarter than you..."
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>Sorry, but that's undeniable.

That's what is needed here. You are dumb. Other people are smart. The answer is 288.

Oh, and nothing you've said is "undeniable" because you've provided absolutely no proof.

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623. "Dodging the answer, I see. "
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>>Sorry, but that's undeniable.
>
>That's what is needed here. You are dumb. Other people are
>smart. The answer is 288.
>
>Oh, and nothing you've said is "undeniable" because you've
>provided absolutely no proof.

Where do you use that sign outside of 3rd grade math?

I'm listening.

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655. "Right here, correctly might I add."
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Where's my written proof that you don't have downs syndrome?

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680. "I accept your apology, dog. "
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Its all love.

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687. "That's your written proof dummy?"
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You're dumb. And stupid. And really dumb. And stuff.

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713. "Rage, rage, against the wrongness of your math. "
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Mad?

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770. "You're yet to prove it wrong!"
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I did it by the laws of math, and proved it with resources.

You have said a bunch of shit that makes no sense and haven't backed it up.

Mad?

Brainless.

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575. "yes, it is."
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>No one should "view" the 2 as part of the parentheses. It is
>OUTSIDE of the parentheses, therefore it is not part of the
>parentheses. It would be part of the parentheses written like
>this:
>
>48/(2(9+3))



it's legitimate to view the 2 as part of the parentheses.
like i said, it's ambiguous, but it's acceptable.

think back to algebra. if you got down to having 2x as a part of your equation, then 2 and the variable are linked together as one term.

  

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582. "That's entirely different from parentheses."
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Parentheses absolutely, 100% of the time break up what's INSIDE from what's OUTSIDE of them. This isn't debateable. No mathematician would ever say otherwise. What's outside of the parentheses is ALWAYS separate from what's inside of them. It can't be "acceptible" to just choose sides with regards to what parentheses actually do to a math problem, because that means that every math problem involving parentheses could potentially have two entirely different answers.

2x is not the same situation.

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588. "the problem can be expressed using polynomials."
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>
>2x is not the same situation.


48÷2(x)
given that x = 9 + 3


it can be read both ways. that's the problem.

  

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"But the parentheses make all the difference."


          

Whether you put x or 9+3 in there, the parentheses or lack thereof tell you how to do the problem. This isn't a variable situation where you can pick and choose which way you do the problem.

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511. "I got 288"
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& so did they - http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=48%2F2%289%2B3%29



























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514. "You both got it wrong. n/m"
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525. "U need to go back to math class"
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P Parentheses first
E Exponents (ie Powers and Square Roots, etc.)
MD Multiplication and Division (left-to-right)
AS Addition and Subtraction (left-to-right)


dumbass




















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529. "Definitely. To teach. "
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I probably will when I'm retired. I'm thinking
4th grade, though.


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534. "You're getting more stupid by the second"
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Learn PEMDAS fool. You're looking rather foolish son.























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527. "isn't it?"
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laugh now, cry never.
nevermind, nice guys finish fine.

not compassionate....only polite.

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533. "WE CAN'T ARCHIVE UNTIL POETX AND TOHUNGA GET IN"
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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80 replies THEN we can archive! LOL!

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576. "Exactly. "
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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539. "I found this interesting... and the answer is probably 288"
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there is a greater probability that the answer is 288.

PEMDAS treats multiplication&division the same and calls for left to right computation. I admin I was wrong initially.

I found this interesting however:

48 ÷ 2 (9+3) = 288
http://pngs.us/pngs/4da35a366ff41.png

48 ÷ 2 = 2
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541. "The second one has set up the problem correctly. "
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>there is a greater probability that the answer is 288.
>
>PEMDAS treats multiplication&division the same and calls for
>left to right computation. I admin I was wrong initially.

Left to right is less relevant if you've set up the
problem correctly.

>I found this interesting however:
>
>48÷2(9+3)= 288
>http://pngs.us/pngs/4da35a366ff41.png

^^^This one has set up the problem INCORRECT.

>48÷2= 2
>http://pngs.us/pngs/4da35a1459c76.png


^^^CORRECT.

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543. "I have said this about 3 times already.. its all about the notation."
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550. "*BACKTRACKING ALERT*"
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BWAHAHAHAHAH

Notice the 288 crowd talking about
"its about notation" and being all
scared and shit


There really is one interpretation and
that takes into account the fact that an
old division sign is being used specifically
for people who don't use fractions.


Like I said, its effectively a word problem,
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560. ""The old division sign" is hilarious!"
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Where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Show written proof from someone smarter than you that the "old division sign" actually exists as stated by you, otherwise it's clear you're just making shit up.

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570. "*Record Scratch*"
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>Where the fuck do you come up with this shit? Show written
>proof from someone smarter than you that the "old division
>sign" actually exists as stated by you, otherwise it's clear
>you're just making shit up.

Wait -- I made up the old division sign?

Explain why we don't use it after the 3rd grade?


I'm listening.















































































































































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"The fuck do you know about what's used before and after 3rd grade?"
Mon Apr-11-11 03:24 PM by Brew

          

You said yourself you didn't get past 1st.

Making shit up.

Brainless.

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626. "You're Harlem shaking around the question. "
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>You said yourself you didn't get past 1st.

Never went to school. I'm Will Hunting.

>Making shit up.

>Brainless.

You sound mad.

You still can't name a time that you used it
after the 3rd grade.

It completely ruins your argument, because it
affirms that the old division sign is not used
in any adult mathematical expressions, because
its used to teach people who don't understand
fractions how to divide.

No one has touched this point with a 32 foot pole,
because it affirms my conclusions and makes you feel
like doo doo on a stick.



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661. "Haha because calling a division sign"
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An "old division sign" because people don't have it on their keyboard and therefore use "/" to describe it instead isn't even an argument worth responding to! All it does is affirm that you may have mental issues.

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676. "LOL. You're not even trying anymore. "
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>An "old division sign" because people don't have it on their
>keyboard and therefore use "/" to describe it instead isn't
>even an argument worth responding to! All it does is affirm
>that you may have mental issues.

LOL -- "not having it on their keyboard" is actually
an argument in my favor.

Computers don't have it, because its not a mathematical
operator. Its for kids who don't understand fractions,
which is why its never used after 4th grade.

That being the case, we are dealing with something
akin to a word problem, where the equation is trying
to get us to understanding something very basic:

It wants us to divide 48 by the product 2(9+3)

Its really not debatable.


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540. "It's 288. Order of operation."
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545. "O_E using this argument too."
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Can you find me written proof from someone who matters saying that using the "old division sign" is different than using a "newer one"? Is this like a recent development? Am I still on earth?

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549. "LOL @ "different." "
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>Can you find me written proof from someone who matters saying
>that using the "old division sign" is different than using a
>"newer one"? Is this like a recent development? Am I still on
>earth?

They're not "different," Einstein.

You just don't get it, I guess.

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553. ""
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If they aren't different, then your argument is artbitrary and just wrong because using "÷" as opposed to "/", if not different, therefore mean the same thing Einstein, therefore you do the problem the same way...you know, correctly.

You are a clown and a fool. And that makes me sad.

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561. "LOL. Same way that X(Y) and X*Y CAN change a problem. "
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>If they aren't different, then your argument is artbitrary
>and just wrong because using "÷" as opposed to "/", if not
>different, therefore mean the same thing Einstein, therefore
>you do the problem the same way...you know, correctly.

Doesn't always, but it can depending on context.

You'd have to understand context in order to understand
that, though, and you don't.


>You are a clown and a fool. And that makes me sad.

Hmm. That's correct clown and fool to you, and I'm glad.

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565. ""
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are not even close to the same thing hahahahahahaha oh my god you can't really be this dumb.

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569. "Yeah, you sound flustered at this point. "
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Its gotta be frustrating.

There are multiple symbols for multiplication
and division, and they can mean different things
in different contexts.

The key is understanding the context.

And you don't.

*shrugs*

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572. "Dumber by the second man."
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>There are multiple symbols for multiplication
>and division, and they can mean different things
>in different contexts.

So you grill me for 10 posts about how "/" and "÷" aren't "different". Yet when pressed to explain what the hell you're talking about you use the word "different" (see above) TWICE to describe your point...and that's literally all you say. Which only further proves that you're making shit up.

Brainless.

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"Hey, don't hate me because I'm beautiful."


  

          

>>There are multiple symbols for multiplication
>>and division, and they can mean different things
>>in different contexts.
>
>So you grill me for 10 posts about how "/" and "÷" aren't
>"different". Yet when pressed to explain what the hell you're
>talking about you use the word "different" (see above) TWICE
>to describe your point...and that's literally all you say.
>Which only further proves that you're making shit up.
>
>Brainless.

You sound mad.

My argument is perfectly sound.



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664. "Not mad, just very sad."
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>You sound mad.

That people as dumb as you actually exist. It saddens me.


>My argument is perfectly sound.

That's sad. You don't even have an argument. It's math, there are no arguments.

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678. "Its not too late to retreat to choosing both answers, you know. "
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So far, just about everyone who has disagreed with
me has actually chosen both answers as a copout.

I'd encourage you to do the same.

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688. "Oh, I would never do that. "
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Because math problems don't ever have two answers. Just one.

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709. "LMAO. Wow. Guys, come get your boy!! He's done. "
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>Because math problems don't ever have two answers. Just
>one.

In no way, shape, or form is that true.


LOL


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773. "Proooooove ittttttt"
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559. "I changed my mind it's 288 taking order of operation into account."
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542. "link"
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http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/48293

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547. "Memes, son. They'll only get bigger."
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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551. "I love it"
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http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

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563. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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571. "LOL. All that for no answer. "
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Nobody knows what they're talking about...LOL

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578. "it's not the destination"
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it's the journey

  

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589. "There is an answer, in the 'Solution' section of the page."
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"There are considerable arguments for both answers, but the general consensus is that writing ambiguous fractions like “2/6x” makes solving such problems confusing, and it is thus considered bad form to write ambiguously written fractions in the first place."

  

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610. "lol right? dude can't read either."
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624. "LOL. So both 2 and 288 are answers. "
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>"There are considerable arguments for both answers, but the
>general consensus is that writing ambiguous fractions like
>“2/6x” makes solving such problems confusing, and it is thus
>considered bad form to write ambiguously written fractions in
>the first place."

Using my logic, which is correct given the context,
you get 2.

The solutions vindicate 2 as an answer.

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642. "Thanks for accepting your L..."
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After 600+ posts, you finally admit that both 2 and 288 are correct answers. I know it was tough for you to man up and accept your L, but hey, it'll make you stronger.

  

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647. "BWAHAHA. Y'all COSIGNED a post saying 2 IS THE ANSWER."
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>After 600+ posts, you finally admit that both 2 and 288 are
>correct answers. I know it was tough for you to man up and
>accept your L, but hey, it'll make you stronger.

I didn't cosign that post, Y'ALL DID.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA


You just ethered the shit out of yourselves, and
now y'all are shucking and jiving trying to act
like they are BOTH the answer


What a bunch of pussies....BWAHAHAH...this is how
it works:

1) Pick a basis of reasoning.

2) Stick to it.

3) Choose an answer.


Y'all in flip-flopping and plea copping.


My logic is absolutely impenetrable, is robust, and
is sensible when you consider that no one uses the
÷ sign after 3rd grade. No one has addressed that,
because its troublesome to most of the 288 logic.





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660. "RE: BWAHAHA. Y'all COSIGNED a post saying 2 IS THE ANSWER."
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>
>My logic is absolutely impenetrable, is robust, and
>is sensible when you consider that no one uses the
>÷ sign after 3rd grade. No one has addressed that,
>because its troublesome to most of the 288 logic.
>

It's impenetrable because you're the only one in the world who believes it. And nobody can convince you otherwise

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666. "How is it troublesome?"
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>My logic is absolutely impenetrable, is robust, and
>is sensible when you consider that no one uses the
>÷ sign after 3rd grade. No one has addressed that,
>because its troublesome to most of the 288 logic.

The fact that people use "/" instead of the "3rd grade division sign" doesn't make the answer not 288.

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669. "I've been saying 2 is correct all along. So is 288. I've been consistent..."
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I've been consistent all along in saying that both answers are correct and the problem is worded poorly. You, on the other hand, Have said that 2 is the ONLY correct answer, until a couple posts up where you admitted that both 2 and 288 are correct.

So once again, thanks for accepting your L. I really appreciate it.

  

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675. "^O_E has BEATEN kids into NOT CHOOSING AN ANSWER!!! BWAHAHA"
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CHOOSE AN ANSWER you fucking SISSY!!!

You have no balls to make an actual argument,
so you've gone the "eehh...its both" route.


Talk about "non mathematical."

Orbit_Established CHOSE A LOGICAL
FOUNDATION, STUCK WITH IT, one that
is ROBUST, and turns up the right
answer regardless of little silly
details like "implied operators"
and shit like that


I'm also the ONLY ONE who has addressed
the CONTEXT of the question, which is why
it uses IRRELEVANT MATHEMATICAL SYMBOLS




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679. "Still dodging the question, eh? Are you gonna even try? "
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689. "Speaking of dodging questions... "
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where's the proof about the "3rd grade division sign" I've been asking for?

Brainless.

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707. "*Swats that weak shit outta here*"
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>where's the proof about the "3rd grade division sign" I've
>been asking for?

LOL -- there is no "proof" because that is not a "provable"
concept. It happens to be true -- no one uses that symbol
after a certain point because its not an actual mathematical
expression.

I mean, if you can explain why the hell we completely
abandon the sign in all real calculations, then you'd
have a point.

All you've done is linked a bunch of irrelevant websites
with no evidence at all....LOL @ random ass websites
run by people I'm smarter than...

...my argument is impenetrable




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to mathematics. it saddens me that we have SUCH disparging understandings of how to break down a middle/junior high school random question.

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this shit has set every site i've seen it on ablaze w/ conflict.

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585. "Why would you put that shit on twitter... lmao"
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Twitter is going to be down for months god

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584. "also....isn't 2(9+3) really (18+6) when distributed out"
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which is perfectly correct to use with parenthesis.
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590. "yes. but the question is "should you distribute.""
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is the 2 part of the (9+3)?
it's written as 2(9+3) so i thought that you should.

so if you view it this way, the answer is 2.




but the problem can also be read that the 2 is actually a term
that is seperate from the (9+3).

so following the order of operations, you work from left to right,
and you get 288.

48÷2(9+3)

48 ÷ 2 X 12

working from left to right,
you get 288 because

48 ÷ 2 = 24; 24 X 12 + 288


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592. "should you distribute or..."
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should you view 2(9+3) as the denominator for 48 and work that out first. I don't believe in either but I see the debate... Most of the people getting 2 aren't using either of those logics.

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599. "hunh?"
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>should you view 2(9+3) as the denominator for 48 and work
>that out first. I don't believe in either but I see the
>debate... Most of the people getting 2 aren't using either of
>those logics.

isn't using 2(9+3) as the demoninator exactly how you get 2? 48÷24?
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603. "I'm just pointing out the "reasonable" arguments for 2"
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the denominator argument and the distribute argument. I don't agree with either because I don't see those applying in this circumstance.

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594. "i get the left to right argument...."
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but if it was 2(x+3) you'd definitely distribute. algebra... was always pro-distribution i thought.

48÷2(x+3)?

would you do 24x+72 or would you distribute the 2 to the parenthesis first?
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608. "RE: i get the left to right argument...."
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>but if it was 2(x+3) you'd definitely distribute. algebra...
>was always pro-distribution i thought.
>
>48÷2(x+3)?
>
>would you do 24x+72 or would you distribute the 2 to the
>parenthesis first?


how did you come up with 24x + 72?

not saying you're wrong, i'm just not following the mental math you did.


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614. ""
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and i would never do that, but that seems like its the 288 argument.
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617. ""
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sort of...
we all agree that you have to work the parenthesis first.
so nobody would do the division part of it first.
we are just arguing over whether or not you should distribute the 2.



48÷2(9+3)

48 ÷ 2 X 12

working from left to right,
you get 288 because

48 ÷ 2 = 24; 24 X 12 + 288


there's no consensus on which way is correct because the notation
is ambiguous.

if you distribute the 2, then you end up with 48/24, which = 2.









  

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651. "but why drop the parenthesis???"
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if the equation is 48/2(9+3)
going into 48/2(12)

why drop the parenthesis and switch to 2*12 or even bother with 2*(12) when the * aint needed because the ()indicates multiplication already???

you're not suppose to do that, the parenthesis is the 1st come 1st served in the equation. Had you kept the parenthesis you would've multiplied THEN divided giving an ans of 2. It's like yall understood the rule at first but decided to switch symbols.

even in an equation such as 2x3(6+2)

you must work everything concerning the () first and foremost
2x3(8)
2x24
48

I google and notice they have a bad problem of showing * along with () (ie) 2x3*(6+2) and also with 2(6+2) they showed 2*(6+2)...they doing too much mayne they doing toooo much

  

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600. "wild hunnids"
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*goes back to listenin to Based god*

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<38 and good.


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><38 and good.
>
>
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685. "She's a hustla baby!!!"
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Funny














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psst!

  

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609. "The final answer is 288. Due to the equal of importance of "
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the multiplication and division present, it goes left-right.

  

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611. "Thanks man!!! LOL(yes, I pulled a Roxanne Shante/Marley Marl) lol"
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I just started a thread on the other messageboard I post on using the following equation:

96÷6(14+2)

some people saying 1(myself included) and others saying 256. LOL

Man...I gotta make a beer run and read the results..LMAO!!!

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612. "i suck at math but FOIL method"
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is one of thew things even I cant fuck up. answer is 2. okp surprised me

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613. "Except that FOIL is used only for binomials..."
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618. "RE: Except that FOIL is used only for binomials..."
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615. "man fuck this, I'm still on team 288."
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619. "WORD UP!"
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616. "A ratio of 2:1 (wrong to right) isn't surprising "
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621. "i came for the stravinskian smack down"
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625. "If math is a universal language, then humans can't converse with aliens."
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☺☻

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627. ""
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We use terms like that when talking to people who
don't understand fractions, though.


That's why everyone is wrong here.


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628. "O_E just put on a clinic in evolutionary trolling..."
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His arguments morph seamlessly through time.

First, he completely refuted the concept of Order or Operations. They are not necessary in his world. You just need to feel the equations.

Then, parentheses had a special meaning that caused the second term to be grouped together.

Finally, he created a new definition for ÷ that is completely different from other notations for division. Yet he hasn't shown anything that states this is true. But it doesn't matter, it works in his world


Sticking with one set of logic is kids stuff.
This level of trolling is unprecedented

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634. "And yet, 2 has been vindicated as the answer mutliple times. "
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>His arguments morph seamlessly through time.

No, I've had to explain different aspect

>First, he completely refuted the concept of Order or
>Operations. They are not necessary in his world. You just
>need to feel the equations.

LOL. I didn't refute anything.

If you understand the context, then the question
automatically becomes a fraction with 48 in the
numerator. That doesn't "refute" anything. It just
sets up the question appropriately based on context:

No grownup math problem uses ÷

That's why context is important.

>Then, parentheses had a special meaning that caused the second
>term to be grouped together.

Nobody said that.

>Finally, he created a new definition for ÷ that is completely
>different from other notations for division. Yet he hasn't
>shown anything that states this is true. But it doesn't
>matter, it works in his world

No, I just had to explain because I forgot I was around
people who weren't very bright.

>Sticking with one set of logic is kids stuff.
>This level of trolling is unprecedented

Nah, you're just mad.


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641. "There has to be at least one source on the internet that cosigns you"
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regarding your interpretation of ÷. Right?

Because I've never heard of it. But I always want to learn more, so if you could direct me to something I would appreciate it.

If you can't, that would mean you are wrong. And that's okay.

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645. "LMAO!! @ "internet source." And you're still dodging the question. "
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>regarding your interpretation of ÷. Right?

I mean, I could start a twitter right now and
say it, and then it'd be right.

LOL @ "sources." Even the evidence based ones aren't
evidence based. Using multiple modes of thinking,
2 is a perfectly reasonable answer.



>Because I've never heard of it. But I always want to learn
>more, so if you could direct me to something I would
>appreciate it.

Okay, point out to me a source that explains why ÷ isn't
used after a certain point in education, and is rarely used
in actual mathematical expressions?


























































































































































































































I'm listening.


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653. "If it's a common rule, it should be documented somewhere"
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but it's not, that's why you can't find anything. Sorry, you're wrong.

>
>Okay, point out to me a source that explains why ÷ isn't
>used after a certain point in education, and is rarely used
>in actual mathematical expressions?


÷ is used for younger children (or people like you) so they know they're doing a division problem, not fractions. They also use the long division notation. Does that have a different meaning too?

"Today the obelus remains in occasional use, primarily as a standalone symbol for the division operation itself (as on a calculator), or as an operator in elementary arithmetic. In most contexts division is now signified in other ways, often by a forward slash (/)."

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelus

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658. "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. STILL DODGING THE QUESTION"
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>"Today the obelus remains in occasional use, primarily as a
>standalone symbol for the division operation itself (as on a
>calculator), or as an operator in elementary arithmetic. In
>most contexts division is now signified in other ways, often
>by a forward slash (/)."
>
>http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelus

Nigga, you just posted that there is a difference.
Not WHY. There is no clear explanation as to why.

The reason is implicit to people who understand
mathematical context:

The ÷ symbol is only relevant if you don't grasp
fractions.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

You can't cite a DAMN THING...google more...you up
here citing RANDOM ASS INTERNET PAGES TOO...like
that MAKES YOU SMART...how about you use your OWN
REASONING.



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629. "The X sign between the '2' & the bracket is "silent""
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48 / 2(9+3)

whenever there is a number outside of (touching) a bracket it means that you should automatically multiply whatever is inside the bracket by what's outside the bracket. '

48 / 2(9+3)
48 / 12)
48 / 24
2

16 / 2(1 + 3)
16 / 2 (4)
16 / 8
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652. "dayum. its come to us bringing up the schwa operator an shit. daps. "
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631. "OMG i can't believe this shit."
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633. "LMAO!!! niggas is arguing with the very laws of the universe now? "
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okp is a sad ass place, man. like, if you believe in God and you tryna say that shit is 288, you callin God a liar.

first r. kelly better than prince and now this.

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635. "i cannot believe this post "
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636. "multiplication does not come before division"
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48÷2(9+3)= ?

everything inside the parentheses first:

48÷2(12)

note: 2(12) does not count as part of the parentheses...it is a multiplication problem

next comes multiplication and division...they are equal in the order of operations, so we do each multiplication or division portion of the equation from left to right

48÷2=24

24(12)=288


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637. "Doesn't need to for the answer to be "2""
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You're late.

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656. "Do you think these are the same?"
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2 + 3 ÷ 6 * 4

2 + 3
-----
6 * 4

A division symbol does not always mean everything in front is the numerator and everything behind is the denominator

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673. "LOL. No, you idiot. Context is everythingn. "
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>2 + 3 ÷ 6 * 4
>
> 2 + 3
> -----
> 6 * 4
>
>A division symbol does not always mean everything in front is
>the numerator and everything behind is the denominator

LOL -- No, because the symbol is dead in the center
of two sums, Einstein.

LOL. You guys don't get it.


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684. "There is no context in this problem you idiot"
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It's not a word problem. It's an expression. There are no context clues to determine what is intended, so we have strict mathematical rules that tell us how to proceed.

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706. "Hmm. No reason to get upset, Susan. "
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>It's not a word problem. It's an expression. There are no
>context clues to determine what is intended, so we have strict
>mathematical rules that tell us how to proceed.

Except that symbols like this:

÷

Are not "strict mathematical rules" at all, which is
why nobody doing any actual calculation ever uses
them.

LOL


And yes, there is context. You don't get it because..
....well, you don't get it.




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717. "RE: Hmm. No reason to get upset, Susan. "
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>
>Except that symbols like this:
>

>
>Are not "strict mathematical rules" at all, which is
>why nobody doing any actual calculation ever uses
>them.

Who the hell taught you this? Is it in any book?

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639. "(P)roving (E)verday (M)otherfuckers (D)umb (A)s (S)hit"
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640. ""
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....

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643. ""
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644. "if this post can beat 1729 replies, then its a record"
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728. "O_E will have silenced the chatter long before then"
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he's the definition of future perfect. Everyone else is just tense.

  

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650. "48/2(9+3) = 288"
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48/(2(9+3))= 2

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693. "^ not posting from correct answer land"
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You're forgetting the intention of the equation, let it speak to you. The equation doesn't mean for you to get to 288.

*takes off on his unicorn*

  

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657. "i SHO hope ain't nobody building planes based on this shit. we have"
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enough fuel for either 2 or 288 passengers, captain. the engineering department is about equally divided.

this is disturbing.

meanwhile, i just got off a crit sit b/c a program went down a wrong path, b/c the programmer didn't include an else after an if and elseif to account for of the finish_time variable was not greater or less than another number but EXACTLY equal.

so instead of passing 243 records he sent 143k records from the header table and 2.5 milly from the line item table and the shit dumped after exhausting internal table memory.

i'm glad i wasn't on here effing w/ y'all.



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663. "and the CORRECT answer is....."
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*drumrollllllllllllllsssssss*.......

  

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665. "I know, right? What's the answer Poetx?"
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Your mercy, Your grace…my faith gives me strength to feel perfectly safe because You’ll catch me.--Mary Mary

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672. "My reasoning is the only safe one on here, to be honest:"
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Because I'm the only one smart enough to understand
that when building an airplane, you don't use kiddie
signs like: ÷

That's for 3rd grade mathematics.

I'm the only one who has interpreted the context
of the question directly and made that observation.


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674. "NOPE! Stop playing, POE!"
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
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659. "CASE WAS HERE!"
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.
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Life is Good.

  

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671. "2 right? cmon...see parentheses..DO WORK!"
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yall never excused dear aunt sally?

WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?! NOOOOBODDDDYY!!!!

  

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681. "288. BLUE. ROYYYYYALLLL BLUEEEEEEE. TWO-EIGHT-EIGHT"
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48%2(9+3)

Parenthesis first

(9+3) = 12

48%2(12)

Multiplication/division next, from left to right

48%2 = 24

25(12)

=

288

  

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703. "what's confusing about this problem apart from how it's written"
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is that it doesn't really matter if you do what's in parenthesis 1st.

  

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682. "it excites me that math isnt as exact as i thought it was"
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this post is sexy btw

  

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686. "No. You're sexy."
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712. "Oh you are good."
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701. "math is a human creation and thus flawed."
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702. "oh, so many flaws."
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826. "lies"
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Jordan!

  

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877. "that is untrue. math is not flawed. your logic is."
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Jordan!

  

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945. "not *all* math is. i meant in some areas or there wouldn't be this"
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controversy/debate.

  

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683. "Google says 288 BTW"
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692. "lol"
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690. "this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind did i "
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think it would get like this

...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

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694. "RE: this is ridiculuous.this post is way past poast..never in my mind di..."
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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

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700. "tryin' to push 700's/they ain't made them yet. wild hunnids"
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729. "wild mattoon"
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704. "I have some cool photos on my flickr page"
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708. "Am I reading O_E arguing with a physicist in this thread about a formula"
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This post is awesome

  

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711. "LOL. There are forums with physicists debating against each other. "
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LOL...you guys are lemmings and idiots.


There are forums with physicists and mathematicians
debating this EXACT problem.

Because quantitative "expertise" can yield both answers
2 and 288. There are sophisticated explanations for both.

Studying quarks and bosons doesn't really help
you understand this problem.

And the fact that you appealed to credentials
in lieu of arguments tips me off to how much of
an original thinker you are.

I mean, I could drop mine, and then you'd all
listen to everything I have to say too.

Problem is I'd rather win the way I'm winning:

Using impenetrable logic, that is sound and robust.






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714. "bah"
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lemmie go play videogames

  

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716. "I don't even know who you are, but you seem like a bad poster. "
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Don't know you, though.

You could be archimedes.

You just smell like a bad poster.

*shrugs*


>I just replied because you did the same exact thing you accuse
>me of in the argument above which is why I thought it was
>funny to note

I mean, your first thought was about people's professions
and credentials, which has nothing to do with anything,
because physicists are mad at each other about this same
question on other boards (some having chosen 2, some having
chosen 288).

That tips me off that you're not the sharpest tool in the
shed.





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718. "You know it's bad when you're reading a reply"
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and it starts to smell on you.


  

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719. "Its actually why I stay away from GD. "
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I hear you can catch an STD from posting
here for too long.


And a lot of y'all stink.


Just being honest.


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727. "I want to smell the flowers in correct answer land."
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>
>I hear you can catch an STD from posting
>here for too long.
>
>
>And a lot of y'all stink.
>
>
>Just being honest.
>
>
>----------------------------
>
>Young Broadway Star Urgently Needs a Bone Marrow Donor. Is it
>you? http://MatchShannon.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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720. "lol. OE would have a point if he had a sense of humor."
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But he doens't.

It IS funny that a random cat, known for crazy off-the-wall sentiment would be arguing with a physicist, a doctor at that, about a mathematic formula.

That shit is funny.

If the physicist is WRONG it's even funnier.

I don't know who is right or wrong. It looks like it's based on interpretation of what is a clumsily stated problem.

I'm more interested in why different people see it differently. Is there a pattern?

we'll never know. cus niggas is in here dipping and dodging why they take the approach they're taking--busy trying to one up each other for something it seems there is not ONE answer to.

It's fun and frustrating at the same time.

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726. "I've never been happier on the fence I don't think"
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There's no question of morals that might trouble me because I'm worried my bias might keep me from seeing the reason in another point of view. Or conversely, a question that might trouble me because I'm worried I might be compromising myself too much in trying to see another point of view.

It's just pure, inconsequential conjecture. Like can God make a sound so quiet even God can't hear it.

You either have fun, or u mad.

  

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733. "LMAO. So when did Firebrand turn into a racist? "
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>But he doens't.
>
>It IS funny that a random cat, known for crazy off-the-wall
>sentiment would be arguing with a physicist, a doctor at that,
>about a mathematic formula.

Weird. I'm a "random cat" now.

What if I told you I was just as educated as he is?

As in, doctor, and all that?

Not common for black men, I know.

But what if it was true?

Not saying it is. Not saying it isn't.

Entertain the possibility, though.

Some of us don't like to push our credentials around
for no reason.

>That shit is funny.
>
>If the physicist is WRONG it's even funnier.

Odd, because I just told you that different PhD
level physicists are on other forums arguing on
either side of this debate.

So there are physicists that are wrong about
this.

Not sure why the white ones on this board should be
right.



>I don't know who is right or wrong. It looks like it's based
>on interpretation of what is a clumsily stated problem.



>I'm more interested in why different people see it
>differently. Is there a pattern?


>we'll never know. cus niggas is in here dipping and dodging
>why they take the approach they're taking--busy trying to one
>up each other for something it seems there is not ONE answer
>to.

I've been the only consistent debater in here.


>It's fun and frustrating at the same time.



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737. "Nigga please. What makes you assume stravinskian isn't"
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Black? Honestly I never assumed he wasn't.

And to put it further, I wasn't referring to YOU as a random cat. I referred to you as someone who is known to make outrageous claims. Shit, both of us are pot stirrers. What that has to do with race is beyond me.

You and your fucking race bullshit, man. I mean, I know it's your lane. Do you.

The power dynamic do I have over you here in regards to race and where it comes into play
is a dubious one at best.

I aint the one, nigga. I aint a scared-to-offend thee white boy with a love for rap music.

I don't give a fuck and I don't know shit about you past what you post in OkaySports.

I did ask you, though. And you decided not to answer. So in THAT regard I guess you are a random cat.

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749. "if anything, you have been consistently wrong. "
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debate or not.

...but that's what a good troll like you does.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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752. "A tad late, and a tad irritated. "
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>debate or not.
>
>...but that's what a good troll like you does.

I've picked a side, have constructed and airtight
argument around it, and have people mad and flustered.

Not only am I mathematically correct, I have people
irritated.

Not only is my trolling effective, I'm actually
mathematically correct.



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814. "but bluetiger is right YOU ARE A DUSTY ASS TROLL"
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you've been debating folk over an answer that's WRONG...

you have been displaying INCORRECT and IDIOTIC logic to your explanations...

and you're just TYPING DUMB in this post...

your role is to be a dusty ass troll...

clearly, intelligence and/or degrees of intellectual or rational thought are *NOT* your gifts...

know your roll...TROLL

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917. "Interesting. You sound mad too. "
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>you've been debating folk over an answer that's WRONG...

Weird. That makes you different than most of the
"smart" people in here, because they say both
answers are plausible.

So you're on the wrong side of the wrong side.

>you have been displaying INCORRECT and IDIOTIC logic to your
>explanations...

Not one of my points has been refuted, though.


>and you're just TYPING DUMB in this post...


Smarter than you.


>your role is to be a dusty ass troll...
>
>clearly, intelligence and/or degrees of intellectual or
>rational thought are *NOT* your gifts...

"Intellectual or rational thought."

Not in general discussion.


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722. "Hilter once struggled with this very same problem (link)"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwpWw-iVKHc&feature=related

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724. "Oh, Hitler. WHERE IS TOHUNGA!?!!"
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723. ""
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parenthesis over everything

9+3 = 12

then because thats next to the 2, it becomes 24...48 divided by 24 = 2.




>show your work
>on another board
>it's 45 pages of responses
>tryin' to justify both answers as right or wrong
>p.e.m.d.a.s. weeps
>


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725. "WTF i replied without looking at the amt of replies"
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hoe lee hell



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731. "damn O_E went wild in here, smh. he used his classic tactics on yall"
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ass lol
that's wzup

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734. "so i guess asking to get this archived is besides the point"
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BANG! BANG! BANGBANG! BANG!

  

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late but here.

This post was paid for by the following.

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741. "EVERYONE who chose BLUE"
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please accept your POST SCHOLAR awards at the back bar at the close of tonight, okay?


Thanks!

#TEAMBLUEISWINNING

#TEAMBLUEPAIDATTENTIONINBASICMATHCLASS

#TEAMBLUEKICKSASS

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742. "as a practical muhfucka, i hope none of y'all design airplanes. "
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hmm, it says here we either have enough fuel for 2 or 288 people, and the engineering department is equally divided over it...

new.equation = fuck + (that)





peace & blessings,

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743. "if ( )'s the answer... it was a stupid fuckin question (c) ras kass"
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(pre-combover status, when we could take his opinion on mathematics more seriously).


peace & blessings,

x.

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Tue Apr-12-11 12:59 AM by nonaime

          

If I want to write two-thirds, I don't write it as 2÷3. It is 2/3. 2÷3 and 2/3 aren't even the same.
A fraction implies there is a numerator and denominator.
It forces people to group stuff to the left of the / separately from the stuff on the right of the /.

But there is no / in the problem. It is an ÷, which is a mathematical operator. It takes a number...not term...not a group of numbers...
but a number to the right of the ÷ and performs an operation to the number to the left of the ÷.

People are seeing ÷ and are thinking fraction and are artificially grouping. If there isn't any () you don't get to add them cause they make you feel better.
May as well add some ln and some mod 2...

The problem is 48 ÷ 2 x ... not 48 ÷ (2 x ...)

The reason why we use / instead of ÷ after a certain point in school,is that we eventually learn about fractions.
I can't represent a fraction with ÷, but I can perform division with a /

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804. "oh...this is interesting"
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904. "Bigger problem is people inventing words like 'fractionhood'"
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I mean, damn.

Let's not go Jesse Jackson in here.

This is math.

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745. "Team Two!"
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Parentheses first so...
9+3= 12
12x2=24
48 divided by 24 equals 2.

  

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746. "We as a nation are dumb as he'll cuz!!!!"
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755. "we see a math problem and the whole internets gets stumped"
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--sig--
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750. "lol. Anyone takin OE seriously is wrong"
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That dude got yall really goin at it w/ him. smh. insecurity will do that to you.

  

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753. "i love how everyone is still writing 9+3=12 lol"
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754. "48/2(9+3) = 288. 48/(2(9+3)) = 2."
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48/2(9+3) =

48
--- (9+3) = 24(12) = 288.
2


HOWEVER, if someone saw it as
48
------- = 48/24 = 2.
2(9+3)
i don't blame them because you'd never see a problem written like that unless you were directly being tested on "PEMDAS" (last time i was tested on this was 8th grade). i'd probably be guilty of answering "2" if i didn't see the answer choices.

and as an engineer, we'd NEVER write our shit to be misconstrued like that. if a number is to be divided by something, the ENTIRE divisor will be placed directly under the dividend or the entire divisor will be in parenthesis to avoid any confusion; it's how we've been taught to show our work. if ANY engineer wrote out their calculations like that, they would've been called out by any professor or lab partner in college or co-worker checking his calculations on the job. so unless there's some sick engineer who's obsessed in writing his calculations as confusing as possible to test people's knowledge on the order of operations, feel a little better if an engineer incorrectly answers this equation simply because he hasn't seen it written like this for over a decade.

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857. "lol. if you fux w/ offshore'd coding, you'll run into some shit like thi..."
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>and as an engineer, we'd NEVER write our shit to be
>misconstrued like that. if a number is to be divided by
>something, the ENTIRE divisor will be placed directly under
>the dividend or the entire divisor will be in parenthesis to
>avoid any confusion; it's how we've been taught to show our
>work. if ANY engineer wrote out their calculations like that,
>they would've been called out by any professor or lab partner
>in college or co-worker checking his calculations on the job.
>so unless there's some sick engineer who's obsessed in writing
>his calculations as confusing as possible to test people's
>knowledge on the order of operations, feel a little better if
>an engineer incorrectly answers this equation simply because
>he hasn't seen it written like this for over a decade.

not saying folks from other countries can't code, but in the code-mill world where you have a buncha folks semi-autonomously turning out code with little to no direct oversight and very little repercussions for fucking up, you end up seeing a lot of WTF?!??!?-inducing stuff.

chances are, the ninja that wrote this equation either been promoted or left to work for another company, and he ain't comment shit, so we're all left to figure out wtf he was tryna do in the absence of requirements.


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756. "oh shit."
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-30-
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757. "if you aint Asian or Indian with the last name Lee or Patel, you are"
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wrong!

take a message

  

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jaybennie
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758. ""
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holy shit people...simple logic


y(a + b) = ya + yb

in this case: 2(9+3) = (2(9) + 2(3)) = 24

this will eliminate the fuckin' pseudo intellectual response of 288.

excuse my cussin' but this is pathetic. BEDMAS is just an order of solving algebraic equations...one can choose division over multiplication, and vice versa...same for addition and subtraction.

problem with the question is when people start to second guess themselves, or begin to treat numbers and operators as if it is a philosophical question. end of the day, the sun will still rise from the east....

  

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759. ""
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Tue Apr-12-11 05:28 AM by jaybennie

          

for anybody who used the argument with your computer calculator are wrong...for the engineers who approve of this method should have their credentials revoked

need a proper calculator to input an equation like this...

x÷y(a + b) = x÷(ya +yb)

if x = 48, y = 2, a = 9 and b = 3....you 'll find out your answer

and if you want to argue about 48÷2(12)= 288, then why didn't you eliminate the bracket before the next operation....the effin' bracket remains, therefore it needs to be removed...do that first and again you'll get your answer

2 effin 88....gtfoh

  

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762. "why are you getting all huffy?"
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Calling people names is no way of asserting yourself, specially
if you've got the order of operation wrong. Frankly, it just makes
you look stupid.

why would you give multiplication preference over division?
bluetiger already posted the solution to this mess, anyway:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=10276000&mesg_id=10276000&page=#10277581

In any case, I guess if you really believe you're right, it will
probably be hard to change that.
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jaybennie
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764. "RE: why are you getting all huffy?"
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dumbass, reading is fundamental....you didn't even complete the bracket before you began to do what you did to reach 288...please man...go elsewhere with that shit and i'm not gonna read a link on something i already know

  

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765. "LOL @ "The solution." That wasn't the solution. "
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>Calling people names is no way of asserting yourself,
>specially
>if you've got the order of operation wrong. Frankly, it just
>makes
>you look stupid.

No, the answer of 2 requires an understanding of
implied brackets, which is relevant in this problem and
solves the PEMDAS problem off cuff.

In fact, for multiple reasons, there are implied brackets
around the product.


>why would you give multiplication preference over division?
>bluetiger already posted the solution to this mess, anyway:
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=10276000&mesg_id=10276000&page=#10277581

No, he didn't.


LOL @ that "answer."


  

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766. "RE: LOL @ "The solution." That wasn't the solution. "
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I, thank you kind sir....

  

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760. "288"
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817. "oh damn you came out the woodwork"
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to post here?

do you see the idiocy all up in this post? LOL

Get Out the Room
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830. "seriously."
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I mean, they're about to celebrate the New Year out on
the streets of Thailand and I got a cold and no water gun.

Plus, I'm supposed to be in the Philippines. geez.
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833. "ask me again why im looking at you stank eyed and pissy?"
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oh yeah because you're in thailand with a cold and i'm in pittsburgh with hi shitty ass rain and cold! LOL!


but yea this post has all kinds of idiocy and wackness...and yet im still here snickering at the replies.

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836. "lol"
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You know what sucks? I really need to get some food but if
I go outside, I'm gonna get wet. And shit doesn't officially
start til tomorrow.
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761. "2's have more votes. 2's win. The end."
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763. "=(~"
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767. "I definitely "see" how 288 is the answer but"
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the 2(9+3) part makes it look like what's in the parens is multiplied by 2, as opposed to 48 being divided by two.

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768. "and hating on how many numbers this post has done is stupid"
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this is actually a really good topic of debate to me. its way better than who's your favorite rapper, and which chick is baddest.

its easy to see both sides of the argument and decide which side you fall on, cause technically the flaw isn't in the answer its in the set-up of the problem.

i love it.
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laugh now, cry never.
nevermind, nice guys finish fine.

not compassionate....only polite.

I am not like you at all and i cannot pretend.

  

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772. "Agreed."
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777. "I agree. folks talkin about "omg this dumb, it's just math. yall "
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shoulda learned this in 3rd grade", are probaby not getting it. lol

  

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918. "cosign all of this, esp this "
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>its easy to see both sides of the argument and decide which
>side you fall on, cause technically the flaw isn't in the
>answer its in the set-up of the problem.
>
>i love it.

the geek in me is happy that its doing numbers. its amazing how much ppl arent arguing how the set-up is flawed trying to "out smart" each other.

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769. "2"
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968. "^5"
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that's my dawggggg!

  

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771. "what the fuck?"
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over math?

  

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hip bopper
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775. ""
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Look folks as long as the problem reads as stated then the answer is 2. Now for those who continue to think the answer is 288 here is how you really achieve that answer...

The problem would have to read as 48/2(9+3)...

that way you actually set the 2 separate and apart from the parenthesis and now you can properly divide 2 into 48. Trust the switching of the division symbols changes everything.

As long as you leave the problem as is then 2(9+3) is the denominator in this problem. Before you mofo's try to disagree with me, then go to the matlab or any online site that will let you work the problem out. Do the problem in the two different scenarios that I expained and you will get the results as explained.

Hopefully this will put an end to this senseless bs!!!

  

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776. ""
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still wrong...i get what you're saying, but the fact that the bracket is the first operation to be completed means no matter which division sign you use, it will result in the same answer

the only way to get 288 is to have it as 48÷2*12

  

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778. ""
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>still wrong...i get what you're saying, but the fact that the
>bracket is the first operation to be completed means no matter
>which division sign you use, it will result in the same
>answer
>
>the only way to get 288 is to have it as 48÷2*12

Obviously you didn't work the problem out as instructed, do that first then get at me homie!!!!

  

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779. ""
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don't know what your point is?...for me to use matlab to prove what!?!...you didn't even change the equation to even make sense...that's why a few people are debating about the question, because it seems everybody wants to use some software when they can just discuss the scenario with their fingers and minds

  

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780. ""
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and if matlab makes the mistake of changing the operation of the equation by switching ÷ to /, then that's a glitch of that program.

never been a fan of matlab other than graphing out physic problems for visual representation

  

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hip bopper
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789. ""
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>and if matlab makes the mistake of changing the operation of
>the equation by switching ÷ to /, then that's a glitch of that
>program.
>
>never been a fan of matlab other than graphing out physic
>problems for visual representation
>
>

No glitch, you still can't grasp the concept. If that be the case then stop replying until you can follow instructions. Trust me is makes a big difference between the two symbols.

  

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791. ""
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lmao...shut the fuck up...you can't even prove your point, so go away troll and re-take your linear algebra course

  

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793. ""
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and if there is a difference that's a programming situation, not mathematical...fuckin turds around here at times!!!

  

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hip bopper
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801. ""
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>and if there is a difference that's a programming situation,
>not mathematical...fuckin turds around here at times!!!


Okay retard there is a diffrence between....

48
_______________ and....
2(9+3)


48
___ (9+3)
2


I can see that you are one of the many reasons why there are tons of time slots available for basic math at colleges all over the US.

  

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803. ""
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hahahahahahahaha....call me a retard when you displayed it differently....of course that is different, but the way you had it was not...that's why i ASKED you why i need to go on MATLAB to prove that point...and it changed the question completely....you need to fuckin learn how to display your point better, so pipe down on your professors lap so he can rub your troll like head

since you feel superior, you can go ahead and describe to me in five sentence Gauss' Theorem

  

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hip bopper
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808. "I know dumbass...."
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>hahahahahahahaha....call me a retard when you displayed it
>differently....of course that is different, but the way you
>had it was not...that's why i ASKED you why i need to go on
>MATLAB to prove that point...and it changed the question
>completely....you need to fuckin learn how to display your
>point better, so pipe down on your professors lap so he can
>rub your troll like head
>
>since you feel superior, you can go ahead an describe to me in
>five sentence Gauss Theorem


That's what happens when you change the symbol in my original statement. If you check the process then maybe your blind ass may get a clue!!!

The reason I told you to check the sites is the see how the relationship changes by changing the symbols, which I spoke to briefly in my original statement. The thing is that your ass work check it out for yourself. My bad if you're too slow to figure it out!!!

  

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809. "RE: I know dumbass...."
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yo, dumbass...i said i wasn't gonna do it, and i asked why i should check it out...since you didn't until later, that shit is on you....and my slow ass would make you move like a fuckin stone when it comes to math so keep it coming....still waiting for my five sentences...if you can't even explain that, then you shouldn't be discussing with anybody that they're slow

  

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781. "Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team! "
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Knowledge of the self is the mother of all knowledge. So it is incumbent on me to know my self, to know it completely, to know its minutiae, its characteristics, its subtleties, and its very atoms ~ Kahlil Gibran

  

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785. "RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team! "
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786. "RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team! "
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Knowledge of the self is the mother of all knowledge. So it is incumbent on me to know my self, to know it completely, to know its minutiae, its characteristics, its subtleties, and its very atoms ~ Kahlil Gibran

  

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787. "RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team! "
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Knowledge of the self is the mother of all knowledge. So it is incumbent on me to know my self, to know it completely, to know its minutiae, its characteristics, its subtleties, and its very atoms ~ Kahlil Gibran

  

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788. "RE: Go post! Go! Hurray, hurray! Hurray for the team! "
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Knowledge of the self is the mother of all knowledge. So it is incumbent on me to know my self, to know it completely, to know its minutiae, its characteristics, its subtleties, and its very atoms ~ Kahlil Gibran

  

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790. "darn"
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795. "haha"
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796. "RE: haha"
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800. "wild hunnids"
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864. "eff uuuuuuu"
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782. "#TeamBlue #IWasHere"
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783. "the fact that people are debating a math problem says a lot"
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on their next test

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794. "I love OKP."
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N/M

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802. "i design aircraft. it's 288."
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Sorry OE and others. Your "math for poets" interpretation is lost on real engineers.

There is only one explicit interpretation of this expression as it is shown.

And yeah I do this shit every day. Go ahead and put up what you do if you disagree.

  

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806. "RE: i design aircraft. it's 288."
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dude you design aircraft and you got 288!?!...and don't use the point that you're an engineer, because i know some unintelligeable engineers...however, if you're working with air foils and can't get 2, then i should go to your school, i assume ohio state, to see what the fuck they teach down there....unacceptable

  

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810. "yeah, you should try. but they check sat scores."
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The sats have a lot of silly ass questions like these on there.

So go ahead and try, but don't be surprised if you don't get in due to low scores from messing up on simple problems like these.

I only used my job reference because I saw people were asking for it. Like I said, go ahead and post what you do, since you've implied that I'm an idiot.

  

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813. "RE: yeah, you should try. but they check sat scores."
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dude you're an idiot...why would i need to go to an engineering program at ohio state when there are better ones in canada....dude, i will clown with your statement....didn't say you're stupid, just sayin' that YOU'RE FUCKIN WRONG, MORON

  

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823. "Look, Just calm down and move on. "
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The rule that you are tripping up on is algebraic and involves variables that aren't present in the form of this expression. Since all variables are known, the parenthetical rule that you are likely using doesn't apply. Instead, you should default to simple multiple step arithmetic rules of working left to right after resolving separate expressions (the parenthesis portion, even though it really doesn't matter).


This sort of problem is really only brought up to demonstrate how screwed up the progression of math education (and it's simplification) has become. It's the same battle that was fought and won about our literary education and drilling stupid and erroneous rules into kids heads (i before e, etc...) rather than actually thinking about the question or concept presented to them.

I am a college educated finance professional. I hate math but work in it, loosely. My good friend has his masters in finance from Georgia Tech, undergrad in mathmatics. He's a predictive modeler for the Federal Reserve. Here is his answer:

While it might be compactly written, I don't see how it can be interpreted any way but the correct way.


48/2*(9+3)


48/2*12


24*12


288




Now saying that parenthesis don't matter you would still need to follow left to right precedents.


48/2*(9+3)


24*(9+3)


216+72


288


Why would you ever multiply through by the far right multiplier instead of working left to right?



To answer his question, it's because people are applying binomial rules to a non binomial problem.

  

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827. "RE: Look, Just calm down and move on. "
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you're a fucking idiot as well...i wrote my explanation before, and as i said to djrue, i am finished debating with inferior minds...it's a simple question

  

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829. "^getting worked up"
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831. "There are going to be a lot of things in life you're wrong about"
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the sooner you can accept it and stop getting angry about when you are wrong, the better. You can't even justify why you believe what you do about this problem, nor can you provide any reason why your version should be held above others.

So. Yeah. Kick rocks and be wrong.

  

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869. "Nah, he's right. And he's explained his answer. "
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>the sooner you can accept it and stop getting angry about
>when you are wrong, the better. You can't even justify why you
>believe what you do about this problem, nor can you provide
>any reason why your version should be held above others.
>
>So. Yeah. Kick rocks and be wrong.

There is an implied bracket around the product
for at least 2 reasons.

He's right.


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870. "Weird. I've tutored SATs for years, never saw that"
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>The sats have a lot of silly ass questions like these on
>there.
>
>So go ahead and try, but don't be surprised if you don't get
>in due to low scores from messing up on simple problems like
>these.
>
>I only used my job reference because I saw people were asking
>for it. Like I said, go ahead and post what you do, since
>you've implied that I'm an idiot.

And if anything, standardized exams like to test shit
like the understanding of implied brackets, which requires
more mathematical understanding than memorizing PEMDAS does.




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811. "there's a reason"
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why he's the engineer while you're the guy getting pissy
on a message board over a math problem that you got wrong.
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812. "RE: there's a reason"
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lol...who says i wasn't...it doesn't matter...dude clearly can't say because he's an engineer that his statement is valid...fuck outta here with that bullshit...

  

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816. "^mad"
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818. "RE: ^mad"
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don't get mad at those who are inferior

  

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868. "Weird. Just talked to a prominent civil engineeer. He got 2. "
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And a big time statistician.

He got 2.


And I use numbers as much or more than you do in
your life.


And I got 2.



See how silly you are with the credentials game?


Doesn't matter.


You have to show and prove.

  

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805. "I guess the doc "Waiting for Superman" was on point...."
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Our sorry asses do rank last in math!!!

  

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815. "So where are the tittays?"
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821. "In my head I got 288, but I immediately recognized my fault. 2 is correc..."
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In Canada, it BEDMAS. Brackets, Exponents, Div, Mul, Add, Subtract. The DM and AS are *'d with "Whichever Comes First."

So 48 / 2(9+3)

equals

BRACKETS FIRST
48 / 2(12)

EXPONENTS (none, move it along)

D/M WHICHEVER COMES FIRST:

48/24= 2


NO ADD/SUBTRACT. ANSWER IS SOLVED @ 2.

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825. "what?"
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>In Canada, it BEDMAS. Brackets, Exponents, Div, Mul, Add,
>Subtract. The DM and AS are *'d with "Whichever Comes First."

Unless you also read right to left in Canada, you violated this rule.

>So 48 / 2(9+3)
>
>equals
>
>BRACKETS FIRST
>48 / 2(12)

So far so good...

>EXPONENTS (none, move it along)


Right...


>D/M WHICHEVER COMES FIRST:
>
>48/24= 2

Wait, you just skipped the 48/2 and jumped to 2*12 even though the division comes first?

48/2(12)

Division comes first
24(12)
288

  

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832. "RE: what?"
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you're a fucking moron.....how can you say that 12 is not a bracket....you haven't finished the bracket

2(9+3) = (2(9) + 2(3))
= 24

lmao...you're wrong moron...leave the people alone with your foolishness

  

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834. "The 2 is outside the bracket."
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Therefore, once 9+3 is completed, the brackets are gone.

Therefore the answer is 288.

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837. "RE: The 2 is outside the bracket."
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lol....if it was 2*(9+3) yeah you'll be right...but NAH FUCKFACE it's 2(9+3)....expand the fuckin bracket then continue....wholly fuck!!!...are you guys that dumb!?!

  

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838. "again, you're applying binomial rules to a simple expression"
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you would only factor the 2 into the product of the bracket if there were an unkown (or more) within the bracket, like 2(9+3x). But there aren't, so the 2 is not an inherent part of the expression within the bracket.

Weird to be so angry and wrong.

  

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844. "RE: again, you're applying binomial rules to a simple expression"
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you don't even know what binomials are....lmao....doesn't apply to this....

lets say this dickwad....how about if you change those numbers into variables...what would happen?.....yeah stfu please

  

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848. "It would be a totally different problem and you'd still be wrong and ang..."
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850. "RE: It would be a totally different problem and you'd still be wrong and..."
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110408055505AA0F9In

please after that....shut the fuck up and go find your lover during next break

  

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855. "well, a split yahoo answers link sure does solve it!"
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look, junior (you're obviously young with how immature you are about this), that link itself just perpetuated this entire debate. RIF.

  

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865. "RE: well, a split yahoo answers link sure does solve it!"
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you lose...i don't care about the split...just outlining the best explanation to the bullshit you guys are defending...the two clowns lost and now they're trying to save face...lmao...yeah i'm whatever you say i am but you still clownin yourself

  

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911. "He's right, though. Parentheses are synonymous with distribution. "
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>look, junior (you're obviously young with how immature you
>are about this), that link itself just perpetuated this entire
>debate. RIF.

I phrase it differently, by saying that there is an
implied bracket around it, but he's right.

Without distribution, we don't use parentheses at
all.

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845. "It must suck to get this angry about something..."
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that you're wrong about. LOL at calling someone "FUCKFACE" then proceeding to continuously do a simple math problem wrong.

The 2 next to the bracket indicates that it's multiplied by the answer from that bracket once it is completed. Whether or not it has the * is IRRELEVENT. It means the same thing. Now, the 2 being OUTSIDE THE BRACKET means once the bracket is completed, you have to complete the problem left to right. That's the rules. You can't just make up your own rules.

Cunt.

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847. "RE: It must suck to get this angry about something..."
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it must suck to be concerned....that's homo tendencies...get away from me

  

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849. "Who's concerned?"
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Tue Apr-12-11 11:50 AM by Brew

          

I could give a fuck if you lived or died. You act like an insecure pussy.

And you don't do math correctly.

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851. "RE: Who's concerned?"
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it's perform, not do dickhead....this is from the insecure pussy who fucks pussy.....i'll take that

  

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852. "Well you've got english class on lockdown..."
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but clearly not math.

Pussy.

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854. "RE: Well you've got english class on lockdown..."
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math...lmao...you're still wrong...and there is more than enough proof on the internet for me to kill this debacle of brain against fag....peace and good luck with your cocksucking

  

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856. "Awful lot of gay talk from a dood who supposedly..."
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Tue Apr-12-11 12:05 PM by Brew

          

"fucks pussy". We don't believe you, you need more people.

Oh, and if you want to save face better than O_E did why don't you actually provide this "proof" you speak of rather than just talking about it.

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858. "dog, he's got proof on the internet. Leave it be. "
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He clearly is in the right and a master of persuasion. The internet says so.

  

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861. "RE: dog, he's got proof on the internet. Leave it be. "
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yeah for somebody with a B9 tumour in his brain...remove it colin powell

  

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859. "RE: Awful lot of gay talk from a dood who supposedly..."
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and you're still concerned?

leave it be man....you're wrong on many levels

  

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862. "And he concedes!"
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Must be O_E's alias. Therefore, nothing to see here.

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871. "Nah, you're correct. "
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Here's the thing:

The people who understand math the best get 2.

People who know PEMDAS the best get 288.

People who got PEMDAS wrong get 2.



So there's 2 ways to get 2.


You're in the "smart 2" crowd.






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873. "Look at this fool talking to/responding to himself."
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Got a lot of time on your hands.

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874. "No reason to be mad. You've been outed as a liar already. "
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You're already toast in here, pal.

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835. "the bracket is "complete" at 12"
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>you're a fucking moron.....how can you say that 12 is not a
>bracket....you haven't finished the bracket

What part of the expression as written actually includes a separate bracket around the 2 and the (9+3)? If it were written that way, (2(9+3), you would be right because it would be part of the brackets that need to be resolved first.
But it's not. The 2 would be treated as a multiplication factor of 12, if only it weren't first the denominator of 48. That makes the multiplication factor the product of 48/2, 24.

And you are awful angry and tough-typing over a math problem that you are doing a horrible job with.

  

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840. "No cause the 2(9+2) is one function. its 2(12) is 24. then move along"
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841. "The 2 isn't "inside" the bracket"
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So it doesn't take precedence over being the denominator of 48. If there were an unknown in the bracket, you would be correct, but there isn't. You could essentially write it at that stage as
48/2*12

How would your rule apply then? The brackets "go away" after they are simplified.

  

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846. "RE: No cause the 2(9+2) is one function. its 2(12) is 24. then move alon..."
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can you tell these people about the distributive property please?...reason why 2 is winning, tbey weren't bunnin' trees during lecture

  

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822. "Really?"
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Really?

Are we THAT big a group of nerds !?!?

ANyhow I answered 2, unless my 9th grade teacher lied to me about order of operations.

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824. "You were likely learning algebra in 9th grade. This isn't algebra."
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828. "this problem is a major fight on a physics board too"
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i googled it looking for a clear answer and figured- if physicists are fighting over it- i should just hope my answer of 2 is correct.

  

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843. "Holy shit......"
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This is hilarious....

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867. "poorly written math problem = post of the year"
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toast to the school system

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875. "Woe is the American School System. If you are a parent you need"
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to be up and arms as to who is teaching wrong mathematics to your child, before he becomes an engineer/doctor/physicist and accidently kill the entire human race on a wrong problem.

God help us!!!!

take a message

  

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925. "You people crying about the school system sound like idiots. "
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You have a lively, vigorous math debate, featuring
PhD level scientists, engineers, and mathematicians,
all taking place on a hip-hop website.


Its a good sign, if anything.


Not to mention I've already involved asian and
european scientists in this debate, and they have
the same split as everyone else.




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872. "O_E has figured out the situation. "
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There are two paths to getting 2:

Some people got 2 because they understand the meaning
of implied brackets, which requires a heightened understanding
of mathematics.

Some people got 2 because they don't understand PEMDAS.

Some people got 288 because they applied PEMDAS too quickly
and religiously.



So here's how it shakes:

(a) The people who understand math the best seem to have
gotten 2, because they understand implied brackets, which
is a key concept to understand in math




(b) The people who got 288 simply applied PEMDAS most
religiously, which is just a calculation, and doesn't
communicate anything about really understanding numbers.



(c) A lot of people (perhaps most) got 2 because they read
PEMDAS too literally, and applied it incorrectly.




I, of course, am in group (a).




If you disagree with me, than you're in group (d)




































































































































































































(d) very mad, very wrong.


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876. "What I've learned from this poast..."
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Some people are so adamant about winning that they will knowingly pushing out misinformation to support their agenda.
There are legitimate ways to get both answers (even though the only correct one is 288). But people are just pushing rules that don't exist to try to win.

3 major untruths in this post:
1.) "÷" has a different meaning than "/". REALLY?
2.) Multiplication comes before division in the Order of Operations. NOPE!!!
3.) Explicit mathematical expressions need to solved according to their intentions. CMON!!

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880. "RE: What I've learned from this poast..."
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another idiot citing

first...division before multiplication for THIS EXPRESSION

second...you need to apply distributive property of multiplication

then you'll understand...288 answer are for non-sensical people who believed the earth was flat even though the fact that shadows were casted proves otherwise.

sad...this post has convinced me that there are more dumb people in this world than i thought....or it just confirmed it

  

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898. "RE: What I've learned from this poast..."
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The distributive property of multiplication over addition is simply this: it makes no difference whether you add two or more terms together first, and then multiply the results by a factor, or whether you multiply each term alone by the factor first, and then add up the results.


All the distribtuive property of multiplication states is that there is no difference between 24(9+3) and 24(9) + 24(3). the distributive property of multiplication does not mean you neglect the order of operations outside of parenthesis and not go from left to right. No one is arguing that this is not correct, you simply are neglecting the proper order. If you are using the wrong factor you are going to get the wrong answer regardless of whether you distribute it to each individual number or perform the addition inside the parenthesis. The distributive property does not override the order of operation nor will it ever. Thus the fact that this equation had been written into several different codes and computer languages and still comes up as 288, the right answer.

  

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906. "RE: What I've learned from this poast..."
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dude fuckin wake the fuck UP!!!....distributive property is a bracket operation...get that numbnuts...it's a bracket operation

you talk about this operation....lol....imma bust some simple knowledge

you know what BEDMAS means...do you know what the difference between division and multiplication?

3/4 = 0.75 doesn't 3 * (1/4) equal the same? you're making the argument that division and multiplication are polar opposites...but i can change a division question into a multiplication question without hindering the result

and the same goes for addition and subtraction...that's why the ORDER OF FUCKING OPERATION really states

BE(DM)(AS)

have a nice day, or watch your fucking GIRLFRIENDS episodes...douches

  

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913. "damn still fucking wrong"
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what you fail to grasp is that your factor for the bracket operation is wrong. Had the equation been written 48/(2(9+3)) your answer would be correct, but since the bracket is left off of the two order of operations dictates you get to the factor from 48/2 before multiplying by 12. left to right once you have finished the bracket, but clearly your dumbass won't recognize the logic and will continue to distribute the wrong number into the 12. have fun being loud and wrong guy.

  

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914. "RE: damn still fucking wrong"
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stay stupid...you haven't taken math further than whatever you got to even debate intelligeably over the matter....peace and may exponents raise you

  

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910. "RE: What I've learned from this poast..."
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and by the way, i've seen professors get sloppy during lectures and wrote equations that way, and we understood what it meant, because that's what it meant

  

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915. "Keep continueing to interpret equations rather than solve them"
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lol, at your answer being based on your interpretation of the equation than the actual equation itself. So you are clearly admitting that you are not solving the equation as written, but as you feel it was intended to be written. Great work champ.

  

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916. "RE: Keep continueing to interpret equations rather than solve them"
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nope...it's legit...why would you change the order just because you think you have to divide first because it is first....if you're messing with the bracket you deal with the bracket, not jump from the bracket to the divisor...doesn't make sense

what's the difference of (9+3) and (12)...nothing...it's still a bracket...therefore to remove it you have to multiply it out with the 2.....i don't know why you don't get it...i don't expect you too...it's just too much for you...grade 8, our teacher was drilling this concept till we pissed BEDMAS....lol...i just love it

you're saying i am wrong, but you can't EVEN correctly tell me why...i am not ignorant like yourself, and i would admit my mistake...but shit, i am not even wrong...lol

  

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921. "the multiplication is not inside the bracket"
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it is outside the bracket and performed after you perform division. There is nothing in the order of operations that takes into account implied multiplication. againg if the equation is how you interpret it to be 48/(2(9+3)) than 2 is the correct answer, but there is a reason that every calculator and computer language written when given the equation in the EXACTLY the way it is constructed gives you 288, because it is correct.

  

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923. "RE: the multiplication is not inside the bracket"
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you're not gettin it...no worries

you just have bad habits, that's why you're gettin 288

and multiplication can be interchanged in order so the question can be read

48 ÷ (9 + 3)2

what would you do then?....your logic would say the answer is 4...if you're consistent then the answer should be the same.

it's not therefore it proves you're order of operation is wrong

thank you, and have a nice day

  

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928. "The answer to it written that way is 8"
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again same interpretation

48/(9+3)2

48/12*2

4*2

8

again done from left to write giving no priority to implied multiplication.

48/2(9+3)

48/2(12)

24(12)

288

  

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929. "RE: The answer to it written that way is 8"
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they are not equal...8 does not = 288...so how are you right?

the right way still get the same answer...lol


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935. "Because it is an different equation"
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this isn't an algebraic problem, it is an equation written a certain way which has defined rules on how to perform it. In each case the arrangement of numbers makes a difference. In each case they are different:

48/2(9+3)

48/2(12) 48 is being divided by 2 * a different number than 12 which yields different results

24*12 = 288

48/(9+3)2

48/12*2 48 is being divided by 12 a different number than 2 which yields different results

4*2

8

Again both of my answers are confirmed that in the syntax listed they are correct. Continue to interpret the intent of the equation and continue to be wrong, apparently you are in some good company.

  

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942. "RE: Because it is an different equation"
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they are not different....you're saying 8*4 is different than 4*8....c'mon man...you're really reaching....no matter which side i place that 2, it should be the same result

  

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946. "no because the divisor of 48 is different retard"
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48/2 is different than 48/12 you fucking moron. Again done left to right on your second syntax of the equation you divide 48/12 and than multiply by 2. Without a set of brackets on the outside of the two there is only one divisor in the equation and than a separate step of multiplication afterwards. You get it special ED?

  

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919. "LOL. Either answer requires an interpretation, Einstein. "
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>lol, at your answer being based on your interpretation of the
>equation than the actual equation itself. So you are clearly
>admitting that you are not solving the equation as written,
>but as you feel it was intended to be written. Great work
>champ.

The question is how do you interpret it.

That is the separation point.



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922. "Thats not true though"
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if you simply solve the equation as written you get 288. The only way you get a different answer is if you are trying to interpret the intent of the equation to be 48/(2(9+3)) which gives you the answer of "2". In which case you were already working backwards to begin with and are trying to come up with justification for your answer which is incorrect based on the equation AS WRITTEN. Again you can interpret intent all you want, but the equation as written equals 288.

  

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924. "LOL. That is absoutely, positively false. "
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>if you simply solve the equation as written you get 288. The
>only way you get a different answer is if you are trying to
>interpret the intent of the equation to be 48/(2(9+3)) which
>gives you the answer of "2". In which case you were already
>working backwards to begin with and are trying to come up with
>justification for your answer which is incorrect based on the
>equation AS WRITTEN. Again you can interpret intent all you
>want, but the equation as written equals 288.

No, that's astonishingly false.

All of it require interpretation. The 288 answer requires
you to interpret the 2 as not being automatically distributed,
even though the parentheses argues otherwise. That is absolutely
an interpretation.

The 288 answer also asks you to interpret the meaning of
the division symbol, an elementary school school operator,
one way and not another.

The 288 answer also asks you to interpret whether the question
is fundamentally about PEMDAS or about the meaning of
distribution.

Both answers require an interpretation.

And the 2 people can just as easily say that the 288
crowd is reading into it too deeply, because clearly
their is an implied bracket around the second bracket
(automatically) and that you simply solve based on a
very basic understanding of brackets.


So you're going to have to find another justification for
your answer, because the one you provided is wrong.



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930. "Interpret Intent"
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again i am not intepretting the intent of the equation at all. I know what a division symbol means. I know the order of operations and that there is no such thing as implied brackets. Why would one imply one set of brackets yet define a second set of brackets? Given the equation as is, solved by the most commonly accepted math practices the answer is 288. One last time the equation being written as 48/(2(9+3)) the answer is 2 which is what your implied brackets and wrong answer make the equation. You are just trying to come up with ways to justify you reading the equation that way when it is not written that way.

  

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936. "Weird. You're actually doing more interpreting than I am. "
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>again i am not intepretting the intent of the equation at
>all. I know what a division symbol means.

Interesting, because the entire 288 crowd has been upset
at the use of the division symbol specifically, mostly
because its not a legitimate operator. Its used in the
3rd and 4th grade, and when it is used, its generally
used with very simple numbers, and not compound expressions.



>I know the order
>of operations and that there is no such thing as implied
>brackets. Why would one imply one set of brackets yet define
>a second set of brackets?

No, that is what the definition of *implied* is. Its second
nature. You don't have do explicitly define or interpret
anything. When you see 2(X+Y), distribution follows NATURALLY.
Its actually not an interpretation at all. Its a logically
conclusion based on know the basics of parentheses.

>Given the equation as is, solved by
>the most commonly accepted math practices the answer is 288.

That would mean you interpret 2(X+Y) as being the same
as 2*(X+Y), which, depending on how you think about the
question, can lead to a different answer. In my case, it
doesn't, but it can.

>One last time the equation being written as 48/(2(9+3)) the
>answer is 2 which is what your implied brackets and wrong
>answer make the equation. You are just trying to come up with
>ways to justify you reading the equation that way when it is
>not written that way.

Well, no. You're saying that one answer requires interpretation
and the other requires solving when there is no evidence of that
being the case.

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939. "RE: Interpret Intent"
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so how come when you reverse 2(9 +3) to (9 +3)2 the answers are different!?!...shouldn't they be the same with YOUR order of operation?

they don't, therefore the order that you're using is wrong...it's not implied brackets...you're still working with the bracket...just because (9+3) = 12 doesn't mean it ain't (12)...there is still a bracket you have to work with

whatever...i stated my proof anyways

  

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962. "LMFAO do you walk around with a helmet on"
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you are looking at what happens after the division sign as a singular equation that nets the same divisor no matter how you put it. When in fact changing the product of the division action performed first and the factor of which it is multiplied completely changes the equation and outcome. I am still doing the action in brackets first, but in your second syntax the divisor is a different number than "2" so it yields a different result. You are trying to get cute when you say that 2(9+3) and (9+3)2 are the same and not taking into account that there is an action of division which takes place immediately after the bracket number has been established as (12), because it is done from left to right and the syntax in which the equation is written requires it to be performed this way. 48/12*2 and 48/2*12 yield completely different results.

  

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881. "You're not the brightest crayon in the box."
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>1.) "÷" has a different meaning than "/". REALLY?

They are not the exact same, which is why we have
two different symbols, Einstein. The ÷ implies a
bracket around the expression that follows in this
situation. Its used to teach actual division and
not fractional relationships. Its a fact.


>3.) Explicit mathematical expressions need to solved according
>to their intentions.

You don't even know what this means.




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883. "Facts are usully documented"
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>
>>1.) "÷" has a different meaning than "/".
>REALLY?
>
>They are not the exact same, which is why we have
>two different symbols, Einstein. The ÷ implies a
>bracket around the expression that follows in this
>situation. Its used to teach actual division and
>not fractional relationships. Its a fact.
>

But not this one? Why?

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885. "Actually, that has nothing to do with the definition of a 'fact' "
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>But not this one? Why?

But again -- you're not too bright.

And if all "facts" were documented we wouldn't
spend billions of dollars on research, Einstein.

Most truths about the universe are undiscovered,
let alone undocumented.

LOL.

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889. "RE: Facts are usully documented"
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the fault is not in the sign, it's in the way you believe that PEDMAS or whatever, applies strictly to this question, disregarding that it is an algebraic expression.

people debate this because they have been using bad habits in math...for science and engineering, it can be oversighted...but math majors go ape shit over this...that's why properly presenting a question is key to avoid ambiguity.

what should be noted is that this post has created a divide, and exposed those who want to 'show-off' their credentials and job status instead of explaining the problem...

i can't be an engineer and have somebody ask me why is that particular bridge constructed the way it is...because it is so!?!

c'mon, i can't go in detail about why it is, but i will explain the best way they can understand and not avoid the question

  

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912. "Yeah, credential dropping is pretty much a sign of wrongness"
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Everyone else who is actually smart is explaining
their logic.


The dumb people are like:

"The answer is ___, because I'm an astronaut."



LOL.



Meanwhile, they're using awful examples and are botching
basic concepts.




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884. "RE: You're not the brightest crayon in the box."
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sheeet...did this guy just throw a term for the sake that he might right, even though he's out of context.

explicit!?!...buddy that's way too advanced for you

  

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892. "BWAHA. I almost died when I saw 'Explicit' "
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>sheeet...did this guy just throw a term for the sake that he
>might right, even though he's out of context.
>
>explicit!?!...buddy that's way too advanced for you

He has no idea what the fuck that word even means

Hahahaha


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943. "Man you need to read a book and stop making up math rules"
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explicit--fully and clearly expressed or demonstrated; leaving nothing merely implied

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/explicit

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You used that word completely out of context,
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wild hunnids

  

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886. "come on! 1000, 1000! You can do it! I know you can!"
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"ohh"


  

          

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Why don't you just let the post get there on its
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his own game...

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888. "look the only way this can be solved is, who ever has the correct"
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answer...I will personally suck they dick or eat her out.

I need to know who is right! Gotdamn it!!!!

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934. "TWO"
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THE ANSWER IS TWO

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Damn, math trumps your head game huh? Why was your post overlooked? It’s like yelling fire in a room and everyone stays put.

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i keep refreshing looking for my inbox flag to go up letting me know where i can collect my prize

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BS/MS in mathematics. dunno if those creds count for anything, but according the the notation in which the expression was presented, its 288.

Jordan!

  

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948. "RE: i'll show this to my students tomorrow"
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sorry mathmagic...the same thing i told the other guy

how can you say it's 288

look:

48÷2(9+3) = 48÷(3+9)2

and you can't deny the fact that i can't move the 2 to the other side

and with you're reasoning you get 288 = 8 which can't happen

the answer is 2 no matter what degree you have

  

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950. "what property did you just use?"
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this is what happens when you do not apply parenthesis and brackets properly. same thing i tell my kids all the time. that thing you did was incorrect, btw. the law of commutativity works only with two quantities at a time.

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956. "RE: what property did you just use?"
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commutative

  

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959. "RE: what property did you just use?"
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lol...yes you're right....but i only used two

you're just trying to say i'm wrong...there should be no difference where i place the multiplier...especially around the bracket

and you fail to even acknowledge distributive

  

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964. "RE: what property did you just use?"
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anyways crappy form of a problem to debate...but you know what i'm talking about...if you're it was the numerator over the denominator then the answer would pose no problem no matter how i re-arrange the two around the bracket....if it's done the way you and others have stated then the question is ugly

because i can say what

(9+3)*48÷2 which is the exact same as 48÷2(9+3)

but that would be correct because you fail to distribute the bracket which is not allowed...and is associative in comparison to the way you calculated the expression

so what will you say?

one is correct because you did it the way kinda correct?

it's 2 because it follows proper procedure...deal with the bracket till you can't deal with it anymore...that's when you reach 48/(24)



  

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987. "RE: what property did you just use?"
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associativity...sheet

(48*1/2)*(9+3) = 48*(1/2*(9+3))

288 = 2...can't happen

so what now!?!

  

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940. "When you credential drop, you are usually immediately wrong. "
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>BS/MS in mathematics. dunno if those creds count for
>anything, but according the the notation in which the
>expression was presented, its 288.

And your explanations are usually thinner and more
illogical.

I've noticed that pattern in this post.

Mostly because higher math is not useful in this
debate. This is almost more of a philosophical
problem than it is a mathematics problem, because
there are mathematical explanations for both solutions.

The best solutions (on either side) have been from
people who are lucid and know how to think for themselves.

Also I know mathematicians who have come up with both 2
and 288, so your credentials are especially useless.



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944. "BWAHAHAHAHA!!!"
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Philosophy. Hahahaha!!!

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949. "Funny, ain't it? "
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I mean, why else would physicists and engineers
get the problem wrong?

It really boils down to some very non-mathematical
reasoning, and the problem is good at exploiting
holes in people's general decision making, not mathematical
decision making.


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947. "you got it."
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i bet you wasted a lot of your day in here didn't you?

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951. "Hey, at least I'm not wasting 9th graders' class time"
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You have the youth's minds in your hands, and you're
going to show them an internet forum.

*shrugs*

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954. "i'll show the problem and certain points from both sides. "
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not the forum. yall cuss too much.

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961. "I think tihs problem would be an outstanding teaching tool "
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I have plenty of friends who are already using it.

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937. "DIVIDE MY WHITE SHOES, DIVIDE MY WHITE SHOES "
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952. "To all the people who chose 2 as an answer..."
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Doesn't it strike you as ODD that in a country like America where the average person is horrible at math and on a message board where most of the people are liberal arts majors that MOST of the people answering this question have the same answer as you? With any mathematical equation beyond a word problem adding 2 apples and 3 oranges I would expect the correct answer to be the least chosen answer.

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958. "Jesus. Now we've resorted to using silly reverse psychology. "
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>Doesn't it strike you as ODD that in a country like America
>where the average person is horrible at math and on a message
>board where most of the people are liberal arts majors that
>MOST of the people answering this question have the same
>answer as you? With any mathematical equation beyond a word
>problem adding 2 apples and 3 oranges I would expect the
>correct answer to be the least chosen answer.

That's how you know you're done. You're not even
debating math anymore. That's pathetic.


Plus, I already broke this down already.

There are two ways to get the answer 2:

a) An incorrect application of PEMDAS, where people
automatically prioritize multiplication before
division, just because they weren't taught the acronym
correct.

b) A correct interpretation of the rules of distribution,
of implied brackets, and the meaning of the division
symbol.


Both of these yield an answer of 2.


That is why you see so many more 2s than 288s.

One way is smart, one way is not.

I'm in the smart camp.

You aren't.












































































































































You're also in the 'mad' camp too.

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963. "Stop Trolling n/m"
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971. ""Troll" is code for: "Eh, you're right, but I don't feel like debating."..."
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Apology accepted

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960. "damn all that..."
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shorty said she was gonna give a bj for the right answer

and i'll be damned if the answer aint 2!

BANG! BANG! BANGBANG! BANG!

  

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955. "so much for math being a universal language."
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lol. i'ma have to share this with some of my nerd colleagues and watch them go at it.


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967. ""
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969. "This"
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.

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DEEZ HOES HELL

  

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970. "post"
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.

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972. "was"
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.

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973. "fun"
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.

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974. "sunday"
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975. "night"
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.

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977. "now"
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.

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979. "it's"
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.

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981. "annoying."
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,

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976. "where is old girl that flunked remedial math? I'm sure she has the "
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answer!

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978. "just here for the 10x plat party"
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980. "how can a post not involving a) gays b) race c) kids or d) babz"
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go qunitriple quatraple platinum?

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982. "Gets in line for the group picture"
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*smoothing my beard out to look fresh*

  

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983. "wow, this shit 'bout to go diamond..."
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