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>my letter was not a "beat up <BR>>on nou-ra" letter.<P>I beg to differ. You condemed her for her lifestyle, made prophetic statements of doom and implied that she had no songwriting abilities. Not to mention that she is, according to you, an auxillary artist. Need I go on?<P> i do <BR>>not know nou-ra personally (no, i <BR>>don't). <P>Damn motherfucking right you don't. Because if you did, I would live my life in a perpetual state of argument. That is, if I could be bothered to continue arguing with such a dumb fuck. Yeah that's right, now I am name calling.<P>>the mission of my letter initially was <BR>>to try to understand her more <BR>>as an artist.<P>Absolute bullshit. The mission of your letter was to call Nou an alcoholic with emotional problems under the false claim of trying to 'understand her as an artist.'<P> i made all <BR>>of my statements based on scouring <BR>>this site, the lily site, speaking <BR>>to my 3 friends who went <BR>>with me, and 5 other lily <BR>>attendees, i attended 3 lily shows <BR>>in philly.<P>To make such sensationalist statements you really need to provide me with some quoteables. That is if your dis-eased mind can find them. Since I have a sneaking suspicion, that you will never find again that which you say you read.<P>>if you would have interpreted my letter <BR>>correctly (which it wasn't that hard <BR>>to do).<P>What is 'interpreted correctly'? I did, since I disected what I saw. If you mean that interpreting it correctly essentially means seeing my friends life through your twisted viewpoint, that is absolutley impossible.<P> i said that i <BR>>LOVE (yes, LOVE) nou-ra as well <BR>>as the band, it's a quotable. <P>If you love her so much, Mr. I CARE, why the fuck would you choose to state such negative scenarios as her destiny. It's interesting that you claimed to see such hate and indifference from Nou, yet your ideology of love seems to contain this. But maybe that's a SENSITIVE ISSUE that I should write in an email to you and not on the boards.<P>>i attempted mostly to try to bring <BR>>some kind of understanding of nou-ra <BR>>to the boards,<P>No you didn't. You tried to claim that she is an alcoholic with emotional problems and no songwriting abilities. Don't bury your head in the sand from your own damn words Mr. Ostrich.<BR>If your true intention was to bring some kind of understanding of Nou as an artist to the boards, your approach would have been gladly met with help and all the information you require. IF it had been along the lines of requesting song lyrics, or perhaps a demo that you could sit with, or other concert dates, or any thing else along those lines. Your letter sounded way more like a letter from the damned to someone who is doing their shit and instead of asking for information you punctuated each one of Nou-Ra's actions with your own BULLSHIT and evidently by the tone of your words, stupidity.<P> because it has <BR>>been said (yes, check the posts), <BR>>that noone (not one person) understands <BR>>anything she is writing, singing about <BR>>or performing<P>FUCKING BULLSHIT... But yet it's interesting and I suppose it explains why, according to you, she is just an auxillary artist. The token Black Rock act perhaps? Because if no-one, yes you said NO-ONE, understands ANYTHING she is writing, singing or performing, would that not include the Roots themselves? Or the label? Or perhaps the management? Or perhaps even, the MANY, MANY, okayplayers that email us and do politely request song lyrics and anticipate the release of an album without judgement cloaked by pseudo-concern.<BR>As a side, please email me hyperlinks to each review of her music highlighting the parts which state no comprehension of her music.<P> - yet people have <BR>>been hurt moshing to her exciting <BR>>music, damn she creates vertigo in <BR>>the audience - BUT NO ONE <BR>>IS TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN <BR>>!.<P>Again you speak with judgement and no grounding or base in facts. The moshing that you witnessed at the Lily is a fairly new phenomenon and prior to it people were standing listening. Interesting that you are so psychic and have the ability to KNOW what everybody at the lily is doing. Those who are moshing, are not listening. Those who are at the bar drinking are suicidal alcoholics, (oh my god, I must warn Nou how I am destroying myself and care only for death). Those who are nodding their heads and jammin outside of the mosh, are not listening. Those who are scratching their balls, are not listening. Those who come up to me or Nou or Dan at the end of a show stating their love and appreciation of 3 7000 9 with the ability to name songs and quote lyrics, were never really listening... Wow, deep...<P> everything that is sung usually <BR>>gets drowned out by the band.<P>If this is your issue with your lack of comprehension of Nou-Ra's lyrics, then you need to go back to musician school, Mr. Thorough Song Writer. Please realise that this is because at the FEW Lily's you have attended, her vocal mic was not at a level condusive to your ear. Perhaps because you have such a deafening roar of judgement screaming round your head. <P>>i posed the question "do we <BR>>respect her songwriting ?" - but <BR>>noone has said anything about nou-the <BR>>artist, except nou-the artist (how ironic <BR>>lol)<P>If you pose a realistic question about Nou the Artist, for instance what was the inspiration for a certain song, then we would have something to respond to. But again, I reiterate, an artist should not have to explain themself. Art is not tangible like that. It's not definable. It is everything and it is nothing. Either you get it, or you don't. Surely you can still appreciate a Wahol or Haring or Basquiat even though they are not around to explain to you why they used that specific shade of red? But then again, you probably can't.<BR>And you keep saying, "Do WE respect her songwriting.", so what does that mean? Are you waiting for the masses to approve and then you will follow? If you do not respect or like her music then just say it. I have no problem with that and neither does Nou. Everything is not for everyone. If this had been a simple, "I don't like 3 7000 9 post, trust me you would not have been met in such a manner by me. And I would have had way more respect for you. But you didn't, so here I am Billy Boy. Incidentally, Nou does have a song called Billy's Dead, perhaps you would like a copy of it with a lyric sheet. Not that it would help in your understanding of her, since you bring to it what YOU choose. So, you are either gonna think she is suicidal, or that she is gonna put a hit out on you.<P>>now it's just about nou's personal problem <BR>>that's none of my business (ha), <BR>>that should never be discussed - <BR>>and oh - very personal. <P>She has no grandiose personal problems. None beyond the norm. There are certain things that should not be sent out into the Universe with force, like your prophecies of doom, death and destruction.<P>>like i said, i call a spade <BR>>a spade, and evrything i've said <BR>>is obvious to all of the <BR>>okayplayers i've spoken with, i've just <BR>>been the one fool to say <BR>>it out loud - call me <BR>>the glutton for punishment lol.<P>Well I would ask you to name, or for the Okayplayers you spoke with themselves, to come forth and tell me or Nou personally, i.e. not in a public forum, what their concerns are. However, to call a spade a spade - YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT. You obviously have some deep, personal emotional issues that allow you to believe that you have the right to douse someones name, spirit and energy with negativity to the degree of a death wish. Honey, it's called mirroring.<BR> <BR>>if i didn't love nou - i <BR>>wouldn't really care to say any <BR>>of this confrontation-like ish', it aint <BR>>me - plainly put.<P>This isn't confrontation. Hiding behind a computer screen and writing this is easy. If you really care you would have approached her personally. And if you really want confrontation, please feel free to approach ME personally at the next Lily you attend. I will be at the bar, the blond aryan, ask the bar-tenders, you know, 'god', and they will point me out for you. By the way, Nou doesn't need your hateful interpretation of Love. <BR>If you do percieve there to be negativity within her songs, I'll provide you right now with a 'Understanding of Nou-Ra's Words For Dummie's' analysis. She is a VERY Loving person. However, it is people like you in the world that she has had contact with that have inspired certain songs. To rid herself of the repercussions and manifestation of such negative energy's she writes them down and screams them out aloud.<P> but i <BR>>have all kinds of things i <BR>>want to share. they (the band) <BR>>are just about the the one <BR>>(and only) rock band that i <BR>>am thinking about promoting (with my <BR>>mouth and with my pen), just <BR>>because of their affiliation with black-lily.<P>So basically Mr. Sheep, you do not actually like 3 7000 9. You like the 'clic' they are a part of. Keep your laughable promotion to yourself. And your pen would probably best be put to use as a butt scratcher or for sensationalist tabliod press, which presents the same usage as scratching your butt. It is clear to me now why you do not understand Nou-Ra as an artist, or her words, or her performance. You don't like rock music, so of course she isn't gonna make sense to you. More to the point, we wouldn't expect it to make sense to you. You have probably had limited exposure to rock music and live rock shows.<BR> <BR>>i only wanted to understand her <BR>>songwriting, i just wanted to determine <BR>>that if i brought their forthcoming <BR>>album, would i feel (and hopefully <BR>>understand) where she's coming from - <BR>>you know ?<P>If you had stated that, then we wold have responded accordingly. However, you made blanket statements about her mental, emotional and spiritual self. Is this your process of elimination to determine which albums you will buy? By projecting your twisted, negative perspective on a person's life expectancy.<P> - just like <BR>>the jazzies, when i heard the <BR>>wound on 93.9 that first night. <BR>>i felt what you were talking <BR>>about (yes that's the answer!). i <BR>>thought that being a performing artist/entertainer <BR>>was about relaying your musical message <BR>>to the people listening to it<P>Nou is relaying her message. Perhaps it flys over your head as it is not one for you. Did it ever occur to you that if you have to grapple so hard to find a meaning that perhaps it might be over your head?<BR> <BR>>- i genuinely, and desperately want <BR>>to understand her creative aim ! <BR>>as far as lyric content, but <BR>>no-body wants to hear that.<P>What's the point? You already seem to know what it is she speaks upon, you've made that very obvious.<P>>if i didn't support nou - why <BR>>would i... scour her journal before <BR>>and after seeing her performances just <BR>>trying to understand her music. and <BR>>i scoured that shit real good <BR>>before i made my post - <BR>>because i don't believe in making <BR>>statements half cocked.<P>Sorry, but journals aren't going to give you an insight into her music. Besides, if you HAD read them, you would have seen how they are all written for comedic effect. Perhaps you don't believe in making statements half-cocked, but evidently you have no problem in assuming you know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING.<P> but i get <BR>>slapped in the face as an <BR>>insensitive person who "doesn't know her" <BR>>- i'm trying to know her <BR>>!!! <P>Yes you are insensitive. You are not trying to know her either. You are trying to get some clarification of the judgement you made over her. Sorry, but you just failed the, "I Know Nou-Ra" class. <P>even if i don't condone <BR>>her drinking like a fish (let's <BR>>accept that right now, cause if <BR>>you say she doesn't that's a <BR>>lie)<P>A lie huh? You have no basis of fact for saying that I lie. Or if you do, please relay it to me. Unless of course, you are a shit eating fly on the wall of Nou's life. Guess what, I can shape shift, now I'm a fly swat.<P> or speak to her at <BR>>the lilys, i still support her. <P>The only thing you support, is your bullshit judgement of her.<P>>maybe i shouldn't look at alchohol as <BR>>a bad thing huh ?. i <BR>>mean, nou, i've seen too many <BR>>people go down in their lives <BR>>because of alchohol - and you <BR>>call it "the breakfast of champions" <BR>>lol. <P>I am truly sorry that you have had this experience in YOUR life. But please do not project your reality onto Nou's. Incidentally, the 'Breakfast of Champions' is a reference to a book. Do you really think she drinks beer for breakfast??? If you do, get a sense of fricking humour.<P>i feel that "rebellious rockstar <BR>>thing" but it's really not safe <BR>>to drink so much that it <BR>>becomes your trademark - READ THE <BR>>REVIEWS OF LILY - every online <BR>>review points out your heinekens (one <BR>>said you brought on a case <BR>>lol).<P>The Heineken references are a gimick. It's called humour. It's all a part of her stage persona. To be a performer is to act. Since you claim to be a musician, you should know this. As for the review that says she brought a case of Heineken on the stage - I WROTE THAT. It was intended as a joke. I really didn't think that someone would be so dumb as to take humour as fact.<P>you're an adult who can <BR>>make their own decisions (and who <BR>>is a very beautiful thinker, according <BR>>to the journals), but noone is <BR>>too grown to listen to good, <BR>>truthful advice.<P>Absolutely right. However there was not an ounce of goodness within your 'advice'. There was simply blanket statements and prophecies of death, disease and failure.<P> it's poison and i <BR>>just spoke on it because i <BR>>care about your physical well-being, regardless <BR>>of what you may think.<P>Perhaps you do care about Nou's physical well-being. Why though, do you choose to place it so far above her mental and emotional well-being? Evidently you do not care about these aspects of her being, as if you did, you would not have choosen to bombard her existence with such negativity.<BR> <BR>or if you get <BR>>drunk and somebody offers you something <BR>>that you don't want...<P>Now you doubt her powers of intellect too. Please...<P>>and, hark ! <BR>>am i calling myself a fan <BR>>of 3 7000 9 - YES <BR>>I AM.<P>Ohh woopie, she's been searching for fans like you forever. Would you like to join the mailing list?<BR> <BR>>you may say "it's my life" and <BR>>i have no right to speak <BR>>on it, that by caring for <BR>>your health or ARTISTIC focus i'm <BR>>crazy, petty and totally unjustified (even <BR>>though i am justified).<P>It is a beautiful thing for someone to care about another. But you are not caring, you are projecting your depressing version of life onto someone else. As for caring about her artistic focus, I am slightly confused as to what that means. Do you mean to say that she sings about the wrong issues? If so, you have no concept of what Art, life or the Universe is REALLY about.<P> you may <BR>>say "you don't know me" (that <BR>>phrase is soooo funny !) <P>Ummm, why?<P>or <BR>>"you're wrong for saying anything" but <BR>>hey, i'm talking from the heart.<P>I never said you were wrong for saying anything. I said it is fucked up to wish such a negative life upon someone. And if you are talking from the heart, it's an extreemly negative and dis-eased one.<P>>everytime you say "why are we <BR>>living, why are we breathing", i'm <BR>>anylizing your interpretation, delivery, vocal quality, <BR>>their instrumentation (all that stupid stuff) <BR>>in the back of my head <BR>>- while praying that you're ok <BR>>off the stage.<P>Number one, dumbass, Nou has no interpretation, she wrote it, she knows what it means. Duh! Perhaps you might wanna try to stop over analysing and using your mental which is so very tainted and try FEELING what she is saying. FEEL the emotion she is conveying in the purity of which it is delivered. <BR>Since you are fumbling so heavily in the dark, I will provide you with a brief understanding of 'Why Breathe?'. It is about how we as humans are destroying the Earth. Get it now? You know, I guess Nou is suicidal, as am I. It comes with being a revolutionary and believing in change. Meaning, just so you don't get it twisted again, both of us would die for the cause.<P> alot of people <BR>>may not give a rats ass <BR>>about 'nou-ra' as long as you <BR>>perform or give all that drama, <BR>>but i'm going to let you <BR>>know this. i'm the "caring" fan <BR>>who's going to tell you what <BR>>i honestly think about you and <BR>>your show without "groupie stars" in <BR>>my eyes.<P>I really don't think you care. As if you did, you wouldn't project all this negativity upon her. And what do you want, a pat on the back for not being a groupie and therefore having the confidence to tell her of her death? Please...<P> i'm the one who's <BR>>going to buy your album<P>I thought you said you wouldn't until someone EXPLAINED it to you.<P>>do music reviews in the washingtonian <BR>>(thursdays), ew (every wednesday, college circular) <BR>>and the umbc retriever (monthly) to <BR>>try to build up a fanbase <BR>>for you in the baltimore area.<P>Please don't. She can do without your 'help'.<BR> <BR>>i'm the one that would actually <BR>>slip your cd (with a positive <BR>>impression of your act) to their <BR>>uncle william (asst programming manager) at <BR>>99.1WHFS (DC)<P>Cool, slip the CD to uncle william, but keep your tainted mouth shut. I find it very unlikely that you could find anything positive to say about 3 7000 9, since if you had something positive to say, wouldn't you have liked to convey that to Nou?<P>>(as i said before, 3 <BR>>7000 9 is the one rock <BR>>band that i want to support <BR>>wholeheartedly, only because of lily's affiliation).<P>Support via default is not support. <BR> <BR>>listen - i'll do all of <BR>>this, and NEVER jock you at <BR>>shows (i am NEVER a groupie), <BR>>i've never even talked to you <BR>>for pete's sake (all because i <BR>>want to thoroughly feel you out <BR>>as an artist - instead of <BR>>try to make you think i'm <BR>>sucking up).<P>That is your drama. Nou doesn't walk around thinking that everyone who talks to her is jocking her. Just another projection from your mixed up mind.<P> i just want to <BR>>honestly know your music - why <BR>>else should i, or would i <BR>>support you - but yet it's <BR>>none of my business. <P>How many of the artists you admire do you personally know all about? Do you bomabrd them with your preconcieved notions about them too? Surely to feel music you do not need to know the inner workings of the artists psyche. Anyway, if you did listen, with a clean ear, it would become clear what they are trying to say.<P>>i don't mean any harm to anyone <P>Word, sound, power. Think before you speak.<P>>- i've extended my words on <BR>>this issue so that (again for <BR>>the 15th damned time lol) i <BR>>can feel nou-ra better as an <BR>>artist. <P>Again, you just wanted confirmation of your prejudiced view of her. Sorry, you lose.<P>again to paraphrase all of <BR>>this writing - i respect her <BR>>as a person - i want <BR>>nou-ra to be able to be <BR>>the same 'electric' nou-ra a few <BR>>years down the line, instead of <BR>>a boozing has been and a <BR>>shadow of her former self...<P>You just don't get it do you? It's a wonderful thing to wish someone the best, but you negate this by stating her reality and finality for her.<P>i mean <BR>>damn, it looks like the sun <BR>>is rising on this band, i <BR>>want them to be able to <BR>>live what they set out to <BR>>achieve by forming....and i..i'm the one <BR>>who dared to care..... <BR>>never disrespect, only the facts, that's what <BR>>writing is about, ok cedes (smile)<P>When the caring sentiment stems from a believe in destruction, is it still caring? I think not. The base thought is negative.<P>>keep your head up, i apologize that <BR>>you didn't catch what i said, <BR>>really i do, but i can't <BR>>retract anything i've said, because i <BR>>believe in it<P>That's a damn shame. But at least her light counter balances your darkness.<P> - and moreover <BR>>i'll say again that i believe <BR>>in the band, just in case <BR>>you skipped the whole point of <BR>>my letter. <BR>>i don't hate for fun, i'm just <BR>>trying to help everyone out in <BR>>this situation - the people who <BR>>live for nou and nou - <BR>>who i pray is living for <BR>>the preservation of self - body, <BR>>mind and soul (glad you know <BR>>what that means  ) <P>Your version of help is something Nou can do without. Quite frankly, I think she understands self-preservation way better than you do. <BR> <BR>> lets see <BR>>what kind of trouble i'm in <BR>>now <P>That kind of trouble. If you have anything else to say, please email me or Nou personally and keep your negativity off these boards and away from the public forum.<P>To reiterate, just incase you don't understand me either, I am pulling your words apart because you make a blanket, negative statement on her emotional self and how her life would end. THIS IS WHY I MEET YOU AS I DO.<P>If you had said, "I'm sorry, I just don't get it", or "I don't like it", that would have been cool with me. BUT DON'T EVER, EVER, PROPHECISE SUCH DESTRUCTION.<P>Thinking though, I don't think this is trouble to you is it? It's probably just the kind of attention you were searching for.<P>Peace,<P>Tank<P>"The revolution has tit's!" Nou-Ra<P>"Tank, please don't set fire to my room, I'm only now just becoming a homemaker. Look I even have flowers in my kitchen..." Nou-Ra, The supposed Rocker.<P>"As do many strong people, she found herself a victim of the tyranny of the weak." Tom Robbins, Even Cowgirls Get The Blues.
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