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"i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"


  

          

you know rarely does a post leave me thinking overtime.

not losing sleep....but still had me wondering

but eh... i was kinda thinking--damn...do i want this mofo leaving here with the wrong impression of okayplayer.

only for it to get back to the outside community who ALREADY has us on some "special bus status"

when the truth is...

we all had our "smh"/ignant moments we all wallow in.

so just to let ol boy (and my touring mate for 3 months starting in feb) know that he aint alone in his "unpopular" stance. i dare all you REAL men and women to state an opinion on music that you think will be unpopular with the community (ie midnight marauders)--and wallow in it.

now granted---imma give yall 3---as a "diplomat" of the music community i also try to "work" on my issues and "understand" my indifference.

but nevertheless--

him saying his true feelings about MM was some real real shit.

it wasn't a SHOCK post.

it was real.

and on the real....i can see how it happens:

i mean Songs In The Key Of Life is timeless cause its always being held up in that light.---yall know what i mean---

when is the last time "award tour" was used in a pampers commercial?

or the last time they even showed "electric relaxations" on tv?---vh1 is under the radar so it dont count--

im just saying that its easier to love classic soul, rock and jazz cause at the end of the day when mainstream culture goes for the nostalgia in hip hop---they gonna reach for "bust a move" or "gonna make you sweat"/"things that make you say hmmmm"---

meanwhile what are the chances of a true classic like "clan in the front" getting much shine so that a newjack knows that this is a classic.

i was VERY lucky my parents turned me into a music "adult" at an early age.--but most people dont even grasp onto music until they 17--

so even though a 5 year old me could recite the liner notes of the "Songs in the key...." booklet...

i can see how a 12? 13? year old Lupe could miss a MM.

look lemme not get off track.


1. I personally feel that 2pac was NOT a dope MC. i felt he was a great PERFORMER and actor and had PASSION and FIRE. but i always dismissed him as "post chuck d". and not until Bishop did people mix the two. i feel people love "Bishop" and mistake it for 2pac.--
and what's even realer is i copped all his shit and at the very least? i respect his Mc REN period on that "Panther Power" jawn. But never has his "MC" prowess ever moved me a mountain.

yes start throwing tomatoes.


another unpopular opinion?

2. Just because you craft a beat DOES NOT MAKE YOU PRODUCER. that makes you AN ARRANGER. read records for the 70's and 80s....Rod Temperton was the "rhythm arranger" for Rock With You---i mean cats were crazy on that credit shit "vocal arranger", "string arranger", etc...

like if Rock With You were made in today's climate Rod woulda been named "producer" cause he "made the beat"---he flew to la, quincy told him "instruct the cats" and then he leaves.

that is called Arranging.

so once you man the WHOLE situation--realize the chorus is half baked and bring in a spin doctor, see the mix is fucked and spin doctor it, see the whole project through THAT is producing

not just making beats.

3. See that Resurrection post from 99---aint shit changed dun. lol---well except i bet i get more people today that care less about Res than the mofos who tried to Lupe me when i said the same shit he said about MM---and i STILL stand behind Com's Das bandwagoning

im human.

i'll work on it.


so on some REAL shit,


not no SHOCK POST shit. but from the heart---dig deep.


i dare you to point out the irony of Will and Nas crying over hip hop after their many sins.
or
jay not being a good songwriter unless someone crafts his chorus.

or PRIMO enough already!!!

ghead....

hit it.

im about to watch the time on soul train.....peace!

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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I don't fuck with Prince or De La Soul.
Dec 23rd 2006
1
Me neither, especially early De La, they was corny to me
Dec 23rd 2006
5
I love some Rick James.
Dec 23rd 2006
14
RE: I don't fuck with Prince or De La Soul.
Dec 26th 2006
343
      I didn't say I didn't like Prince. I said I don't fuck with him.
Dec 26th 2006
347
How come you werent this understanding when I said . . .
Dec 23rd 2006
2
uh i laughed at the visual of the kicks
Dec 23rd 2006
25
rite of spring is fuckin BANGIN
Dec 23rd 2006
176
youre making yourself sound a bit more important than what you are.
Dec 23rd 2006
117
      Excuse me but I thought I was talking to QuestLove?
Dec 24th 2006
258
damn, what did Nas do to this dude?
Dec 23rd 2006
3
?uest has a nas vendetta
Dec 23rd 2006
37
Nah. its justified. Nas went at them on his wendy williams rant
Dec 23rd 2006
90
RE: Nah. its justified. Nas went at them on his wendy williams rant
Dec 23rd 2006
92
      wha?
Dec 23rd 2006
175
           i'm not sure what you're "late pass"ing me with
Dec 23rd 2006
197
                i think yall overanalyzing it
Dec 23rd 2006
225
you do realize ?uest is opening for Nas tonight...
Dec 23rd 2006
98
RE: you do realize ?uest is opening for Nas tonight...
Dec 23rd 2006
102
      do u.
Dec 23rd 2006
112
nas and jay-z are the most talked about people on OKP
Dec 23rd 2006
111
i'm not referring to just one comment
Dec 23rd 2006
115
nas and jay-z are the most talked about people in hip-hop.
Dec 24th 2006
260
uh no i don't
Dec 23rd 2006
170
      lol
Dec 23rd 2006
172
that shit was so over my head i thought you were talking about lupe
Dec 23rd 2006
178
What Resurrection post? Whatchu talkin bout ?uesto?
Dec 23rd 2006
4
I think it is archived. He mentioned, if memory serves correctly,...
Dec 23rd 2006
153
RE: What Resurrection post? Whatchu talkin bout ?uesto?
Dec 25th 2006
333
it's that he has no interest in MM.
Dec 23rd 2006
6
RE: it's that he has no interest in MM.
Dec 23rd 2006
9
RE: it's that he has no interest in MM.
Dec 23rd 2006
58
second not beating Mario 1
Dec 23rd 2006
70
hating on Pac is played out fam
Dec 23rd 2006
7
Its not even an extreme stance on these boards, its the majority
Dec 23rd 2006
10
i still got my opinions
Dec 23rd 2006
word
Dec 23rd 2006
228
how do you think cube sounds?
Dec 24th 2006
298
"hate" boo....
Jan 10th 2007
374
Killa Season>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Food & Liqour
Dec 23rd 2006
8
YES.
Dec 23rd 2006
13
Never heard.
Dec 23rd 2006
11
Biggie kind of fell off on that album
Dec 24th 2006
287
fear of a black planet - that is not rapping
Dec 23rd 2006
12
RE: fear of a black planet - that is not rapping
Dec 23rd 2006
16
RE: fear of a black planet - that is not rapping
Dec 23rd 2006
108
But that's his whole steez
Feb 16th 2007
384
lol!!! "there's only 4 or 5 tracks on the chronic worth listening to"
Dec 23rd 2006
22
good beats or good rapping
Dec 23rd 2006
27
      basically ur sayin there's at most FOUR good beats on chronic
Dec 23rd 2006
28
           there's 4 great ones and then some OK ones with OK rappers
Dec 23rd 2006
30
           u dont realize what most rap sounded like Pre-Chronic
Dec 23rd 2006
39
                Efil4zaggin is brilliant, all the way through, Chronic is not
Dec 23rd 2006
44
                i'm not even gonna get into the MCing, but list the 4 worthy tracks
Dec 23rd 2006
47
                     the obvious ones
Dec 23rd 2006
56
                          Wow...you not even feelin "Stranded On Death Row" at least?
Dec 23rd 2006
61
                               mmm not particularly
Dec 23rd 2006
78
                                    deeeeeeeeeeeez nuts
Dec 24th 2006
293
                man do you not remember most mofos HATED the chornic when it came out?
Dec 23rd 2006
174
                     i have no idea what ur talkin about
Dec 23rd 2006
181
                     he's talking about what the grown ups were thinking about
Dec 23rd 2006
194
                          haha
Dec 23rd 2006
195
                          grown ups loved that sh*t too...
Dec 23rd 2006
196
                               nah, dog...u cats ARE too young to remember, but ?uest is right
Dec 23rd 2006
202
                                    dog i'm 28 what is u talkin about
Dec 23rd 2006
211
                                    but dont u see that's what I'm taum bout?
Dec 23rd 2006
218
                                         arent we talking about whether the album is great or not?
Dec 23rd 2006
223
                                              I was in college when the Chronic dropped...
Dec 24th 2006
296
                                    older n*ggas liked that sh*t, dawg. purists hated that sh*t.
Dec 23rd 2006
212
                                    thanks for the comments
Dec 23rd 2006
217
                                         jambone got pwned...........again
Dec 23rd 2006
229
                                              LOL
Jan 04th 2007
359
                                    I don't remember that being the case in new york ...
Dec 23rd 2006
213
                                    4 tracks on the chronic?!? farreal?!?
Dec 24th 2006
248
                                         Yeah...
Dec 24th 2006
271
                                    RE: nah, dog...u cats ARE too young to remember, but ?uest is right
Dec 24th 2006
273
                                    brand nubian was on the menace II society soundtrack, homeboy
Dec 24th 2006
304
                                    I'm 28 and I hear what you're sayin' but it wasn't all either or.
Dec 25th 2006
331
                                    WRONG
Dec 25th 2006
336
                     most heads? where?
Dec 24th 2006
302
                     "DEEP COVER" was RUGGED.. G thang was LAME....
Dec 26th 2006
341
           Loads the CAL. This dude opinion wild and souless. Fuck'em.
Jan 01st 2007
356
cosign that bit on fear of a black planet
Dec 23rd 2006
141
i ain't reading alladatupdere...
Dec 23rd 2006
15
LMAO
Dec 23rd 2006
23
i personally think the pass people still give premier has expired
Dec 23rd 2006
17
The Come Up>>>>>>>>>Any beat lupe has ever rapped on
Dec 23rd 2006
18
my man
Dec 23rd 2006
234
RE: my man
Dec 24th 2006
254
      kick/push is really gay
Dec 24th 2006
265
           the beat is hot
Dec 24th 2006
272
e tu,dro? nm
Dec 24th 2006
253
RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
Dec 23rd 2006
19
<<<waits for Quest to delete your login after this one
Dec 23rd 2006
124
      RE: <<<waits for Quest to delete your login after this one
Dec 23rd 2006
241
most enjoy/sugarhill-era hip-hop is boring
Dec 23rd 2006
20
co-sign
Dec 23rd 2006
33
why are you trying to cushion Lupe's L?
Dec 23rd 2006
21
word, i never heard a cold crush brothers tape
Dec 23rd 2006
24
exactly
Dec 23rd 2006
29
      hol up a minute, what DOC CD did your boy give you?
Dec 23rd 2006
38
      i hope it was Helter Skelter...
Dec 23rd 2006
43
      I'm sayin man, coz...just...no. No.
Dec 23rd 2006
45
      without the nostalgic element, alot of old rap sounds...well old...lol
Dec 23rd 2006
69
      this is some absolute bulls***
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it was actually an LL
Dec 23rd 2006
42
not sure if you missed it or conveniently ignored the sticky point
Dec 23rd 2006
66
RE: not sure if you missed it or conveniently ignored the sticky point
Dec 23rd 2006
80
xactly
Jan 04th 2007
361
Midnight Marauders was ass.
Dec 23rd 2006
62
      Electric Relaxation?
Dec 23rd 2006
87
      Yagyu is a fictional poster
Dec 23rd 2006
100
           lol @ him/it
Dec 23rd 2006
107
      you're a fucking faggot
Dec 23rd 2006
177
Lupe's Daydreamin' Is better as an instrumental..
Dec 23rd 2006
26
2Pac is better than Q-Tip
Dec 23rd 2006
31
son...i got love...but let this joke go....
Dec 23rd 2006
64
      sorry, I'm still in shock
Dec 23rd 2006
73
      dont listen to him kalibur.
Dec 24th 2006
319
RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
Dec 23rd 2006
32
Halftime and Represent off Illmatic were wack
Dec 23rd 2006
34
Represent is my favourite song on Illmatic
Dec 23rd 2006
36
yep.
Dec 23rd 2006
204
half time was my favourite illmatic track for ages
Dec 23rd 2006
49
I never liked the beats or the flow on those tracks, instant skip
Dec 23rd 2006
52
      you betta head north before they take your face off
Dec 23rd 2006
105
           The highs were NY State Of Mind, One Love and The World Is Yours
Dec 23rd 2006
120
i didn't like those songs (halftime represent) until a year ago
Dec 23rd 2006
55
you no like halftime!!!!!
Dec 23rd 2006
68
*dead*
Dec 23rd 2006
82
halftime = Nas greatest song
Dec 23rd 2006
186
whoa, son.....better than "The World is Yours"??
Dec 23rd 2006
206
      halftime was the anthem for so long before the LP came....
Dec 23rd 2006
224
one time was the only wack joint to me
Dec 23rd 2006
193
get off loopy disco's dick
Dec 23rd 2006
35
Confessions
Dec 23rd 2006
46
      how did u come up with your username?
Dec 23rd 2006
53
      lmao!
Dec 23rd 2006
57
      all eyes on me sucked? looooooooool
Dec 23rd 2006
81
           yeah that's crazy talk
Dec 23rd 2006
97
           Actually I have to admit, I don't think it's one of Pac's best
Dec 23rd 2006
180
           all eyez is (mostly) fucking wack
Dec 23rd 2006
188
           RE: all eyez is (mostly) fucking wack
Dec 24th 2006
250
                I agree all the bootleg shit is the best
Dec 24th 2006
264
           of the 'living Pac' albums, i STILL think AEOM is his worst
Dec 24th 2006
307
Jay Z aint made a dope album since reasonable doubt.
Dec 23rd 2006
40
Cold Crush Brothers? Funky Four plus One More? Who dey?
Dec 23rd 2006
41
the kind of Hip-Hop i like isnt for the mainstream....
Dec 23rd 2006
48
It Takes a Nation..... is pretty boring to me
Dec 23rd 2006
50
I agree...I love Fear of a Black Planet far more.
Dec 23rd 2006
129
1. dipset is more than just music ...
Dec 23rd 2006
51
Dilla is so laid back & ill
Dec 24th 2006
267
mannie fresh is a top 5 producer of all time (in hip hop, that is).
Dec 23rd 2006
54
WRONG
Dec 23rd 2006
99
      *looks at username and signature*
Dec 23rd 2006
131
           *looks again at original post*
Dec 23rd 2006
143
the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated it
Dec 23rd 2006
59
RE: the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated it
Dec 23rd 2006
75
RE: the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated it
Dec 23rd 2006
95
niggas stopped having fun in the golden era? for real?
Dec 23rd 2006
79
Really? Actually most groups in the "golden age" were about having
Dec 24th 2006
300
***WARNING: You OKStans may be left in tears after this!***
Dec 23rd 2006
60
^^^"not real to me, thus he doesn't exist...so poof, vamoose...(c)Jay-Z
Dec 23rd 2006
155
RE: ***WARNING: You OKStans may be left in tears after this!***
Dec 24th 2006
288
RE: Black Thought IS the weak link...
Dec 23rd 2006
63
or maybe good music is not recognized by most...
Dec 23rd 2006
77
co-sign
Dec 23rd 2006
84
then you're fucking deaf and dumb
Dec 23rd 2006
189
The Roots out last them all and walked away with a Grammy
Dec 23rd 2006
86
^^^painful truth for okayplayer.
Dec 23rd 2006
88
Black Thought is the weakest MC amongst his peers.
Dec 23rd 2006
171
WTF
Dec 23rd 2006
242
crack kills.
Dec 24th 2006
303
log off and die man
Jan 04th 2007
362
actually The Roots just haven't been all that since Tipping Point
Dec 24th 2006
266
RE: Black Thought IS the weak link...
Dec 24th 2006
314
as much as i dig Mos, Black On Both Sides is not the classic
Dec 23rd 2006
65
RE: as much as i dig Mos, Black On Both Sides is not the classic
Dec 23rd 2006
168
co-sign on people's instinctive travels
Dec 24th 2006
269
Rod Stewart >>>>>> Rakim!
Dec 23rd 2006
67
lol agreed
Dec 24th 2006
270
there is not a female rapper OUT (meaning with a record deal
Dec 23rd 2006
71
If Your First taste of HipHop was The Sugar Hill Gang You are not HipHop...
Dec 23rd 2006
72
Nas naming his album "Hip Hop is Dead" is a gimmick...
Dec 23rd 2006
74
listening to madonna backwards while naked in cool whip
Dec 23rd 2006
76
ALSO
Dec 23rd 2006
83
i DO NOT like al green.
Dec 23rd 2006
85
RE: i DO NOT like al green.
Dec 23rd 2006
110
RE: i DO NOT like al green.
Dec 24th 2006
311
i DO NOT like al green.
Dec 25th 2006
328
4
Dec 23rd 2006
89
i loved black on both sides and reflection eternal when they dropped
Dec 23rd 2006
93
      what the...
Jan 04th 2007
363
Cormega spits his raps like a 12 year old n/m
Dec 23rd 2006
91
agreed
Dec 23rd 2006
103
no bullshit
Dec 23rd 2006
116
He writes well enough, but his delivery is pathetic
Dec 23rd 2006
125
i see you tryin' to get your buildingblock on
Dec 23rd 2006
94
i had to unrawkusify myself
Dec 23rd 2006
96
I can't listen to Donuts
Dec 23rd 2006
101
why does F&L have to be a "classic"?
Dec 23rd 2006
104
      I never said F&L had to be classic
Dec 24th 2006
275
2pac was overrated, Big nor Rakim were 'the best' LL lost his
Dec 23rd 2006
106
1. nas has never really impressed me...
Dec 23rd 2006
109
Streets Disciple was not awful...best album after illmatic
Dec 23rd 2006
122
RE: 1. nas has never really impressed me...
Feb 16th 2007
386
RE: 1. nas has never really impressed me...
Feb 16th 2007
387
TUPAC SUCKS ABSOLUTE, OVERRATED ASS. SUUUCKS ASS.
Dec 23rd 2006
113
you don't like him...or his music?
Dec 24th 2006
256
yup
Jan 04th 2007
364
actually, nas and large made a better combo than nas & preem
Dec 23rd 2006
114
i cant get with that
Dec 23rd 2006
123
Elzhi is ill but you niggas over do it
Dec 23rd 2006
118
1. i never listened to do you want more!!??
Dec 23rd 2006
119
RE: 1. i never listened to do you want more!!??
Dec 23rd 2006
164
i can't stand saigon OR papoose.
Dec 23rd 2006
121
c/s on papoose, but you need to clean out your ears on Saigon
Dec 23rd 2006
127
i have heard almost everything saigon has put out and i don't
Dec 23rd 2006
132
      Spring Valley sounds soft
Jan 04th 2007
373
hype is unnecessary, does more damage than good to label anyone as 'the ...
Dec 23rd 2006
137
yea that's what really kills it for me
Dec 23rd 2006
139
      Why can'tu seperate your dislike of Saigon the person, from his music
Dec 23rd 2006
142
           don't ask me why lol it's an emotional reaction that i don't have
Dec 23rd 2006
158
                damn hes from spring valley????????
Dec 23rd 2006
220
                     you'd never know since he calls the shit "MOOSEKNUCKLE"
Dec 24th 2006
274
                     pete rock used to just shout out spring valley on tracks too..
Dec 24th 2006
292
                          word he used to live around my way. he moved though
Dec 24th 2006
310
                               hahahaha.. i heard that wendy williams story too man...
Dec 24th 2006
322
                     You from Rockland too, SP?!
Dec 25th 2006
332
                          nah man.. lower westchester..
Jan 04th 2007
371
these 2 cats would be below average in the 90s......
Dec 23rd 2006
221
Saigon and Papoose will both go wood.
Dec 24th 2006
317
1. andre 3000 is not the best rapper/lyricist in the south
Dec 23rd 2006
126
3rd point makes sense
Jan 04th 2007
365
Ninth Wonder doesn't impress me
Dec 23rd 2006
128
He doesn't impress anybody
Dec 23rd 2006
134
i was just discussing this with my brother too
Dec 23rd 2006
159
AT ALL...
Dec 23rd 2006
163
wow... you're so against the grain ?uest
Dec 23rd 2006
130
Resurrection is dated and Electric Circus is still ahead of its time.
Dec 23rd 2006
133
I have no interest in hearing Posdunos.
Dec 23rd 2006
135
1. wutang may have been a fluke
Dec 23rd 2006
136
Cam'ron's wordplay has no equal.
Dec 23rd 2006
138
dare to be different
Dec 23rd 2006
145
I never said he WASN'T garbage. But his wordplay IS superior.
Dec 23rd 2006
147
Actually, noone responded because it's just stupid
Dec 23rd 2006
157
      Oh get the hell outta here...
Dec 23rd 2006
192
check out that resurrection album
Dec 24th 2006
305
NY State Of Mind II is a million times better than part one.
Dec 23rd 2006
140
am i the only one that thought some of the bars on NYSOM 2 were...
Dec 24th 2006
306
      i don't hear it.
Dec 25th 2006
338
Best Produced Rap Albums: Paul's Boutique and Fear of a Black Planet.
Dec 23rd 2006
144
till this day, i don't know how paul's boutique is doper than
Dec 23rd 2006
146
IMO, it's the production.
Dec 23rd 2006
149
and it's still not that great.
Dec 23rd 2006
179
check your head's better than both of em
Dec 23rd 2006
190
simple...Lupe doesn't have a older brother
Dec 23rd 2006
148
I love how someone just made a post the same as this
Dec 23rd 2006
150
I wish he'd post a "Is Hip-Hop Dead" so we can get a good discussion sta...
Dec 23rd 2006
152
Groupies are everywhere
Dec 23rd 2006
173
RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
Dec 23rd 2006
151
RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
Dec 23rd 2006
154
^^ somebody Lupe me
Dec 24th 2006
285
radiohead lyrics can be really shitty
Dec 23rd 2006
156
radiohead lyrics aren't shitty, you just don't get them
Dec 23rd 2006
166
RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
Dec 23rd 2006
160
:(
Dec 23rd 2006
161
The Black Album was EXTREMELY overrated
Dec 23rd 2006
162
im gonna have to agree with this
Dec 24th 2006
247
about the Black Album
Dec 24th 2006
281
Cam'ron is a pioneer. EPMD is whatever. West Coast gansta rap<East
Dec 23rd 2006
165
lord jesus in a lexus jeep. smh /nm/
Dec 23rd 2006
167
Hip-Hop concerts bore me
Dec 23rd 2006
169
White people suck at doing hip-hop music.
Dec 23rd 2006
182
i never liked Planet Rock..
Dec 23rd 2006
183
what about Looking For The Perfect Beat?
Dec 23rd 2006
199
      nah.. i just never liked the electro funk shit...
Dec 23rd 2006
207
I didn't cop Midnite Marauders still '01
Dec 23rd 2006
184
i agree with you
Dec 23rd 2006
200
I didn't cop Midnite Marauders til '01
Dec 23rd 2006
185
IWW>ILLMATIC. U ALL KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 23rd 2006
187
RE: IWW>ILLMATIC. U ALL KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 24th 2006
252
I have never heard Midnite Marauders either......
Dec 23rd 2006
191
....how would you know that if you dont listen?
Dec 23rd 2006
205
      heres a bad example....
Dec 23rd 2006
216
           immo tell you like this....
Dec 23rd 2006
219
                It's pretty much accepted as fact...
Dec 24th 2006
276
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is overrated
Dec 23rd 2006
198
LMFAO
Dec 24th 2006
278
      RE: LMFAO
Dec 24th 2006
279
A real hiphop band would not be mainly traditional instrumentation
Dec 23rd 2006
201
lmao @ "some real real shit"
Dec 23rd 2006
203
Hip Hop/Rap has always just been genre of music to me...
Dec 23rd 2006
208
The Neptunes. Especially when they were at their 'hottest'.
Dec 23rd 2006
209
I can get in on this...
Dec 24th 2006
249
neptunes have ALWAYS been wack.. straight up...
Dec 24th 2006
259
I've always assosciated the rise of the Neptunes w/the death of hip-hop
Dec 24th 2006
261
      EXACTLY!!!
Dec 24th 2006
280
           neptunes & swizz beats = hip hop murderers
Dec 24th 2006
312
           yup
Jan 04th 2007
366
In MY MIND is the best album of 2006
Dec 23rd 2006
210
RE: In MY MIND is the best album of 2006
Dec 23rd 2006
215
      lol
Dec 23rd 2006
231
      RE: In MY MIND is the best album of 2006
Dec 24th 2006
290
I can't fuck with P-Funk.
Dec 23rd 2006
214
RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
Dec 23rd 2006
222
haven't sat thru any Marvin Gaye albums & don't have interest
Dec 23rd 2006
226
Illmatic was Cormega's brainchild even if Nas "wrote" it...
Dec 23rd 2006
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RE: Illmatic was Cormega's brainchild even if Nas "wrote" it...
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      but illmatic is way different from ANYTHING else nas has ever done
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ok...im going to catch heat for this but i HATE 9th's snare!
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who doesn't?
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      whoever made the default snare sound effect on Fruity Loops?
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never heard black on both sides.
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never heard an entire PE album
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never heard a whole Roots album pre-Tipping Point
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damn.
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KP's B.I.B.L.E. verse........
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it was sick but....you serious?
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all ya'll in such a rush to be 'different'...all sound the same.
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:(
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the realest statements in this post...
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I'll jump outside the box...
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wow
Jan 04th 2007
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THANK YOU!
Feb 17th 2007
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?uestlove you know i got mad love for you
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Pete Rock & Diamond D. are overrated producers
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Soul Survivor 1 = Pete Rock's best work imo
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cosign on the *current* Pete Rock
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Late Registration...
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RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
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RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
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I like Project Pat...
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My 3
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let the preaching commence
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Atmosphere, Murs, & a few of the other popular 'indie' cats suck
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RE: Atmosphere, Murs, & a few of the other popular 'indie' cats suck
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no they don't... that is just your opinion
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I love this post.
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its ill to see lessonheads cease judgement
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to you it says...
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RE: its ill to see lessonheads cease judgement
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i never heard amerika's most wanted / any public enemy...
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The bottom line is
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RE: The bottom line is
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beats, ryhmes and life>>>>low end theory
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violent disagreement to the point of loading firearms. lol.
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u have good taste my dude.
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im going to listen to illmatic for the first time tomorrow.
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i just want to say Fuck okp and the tom fuckery they spew...
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Most rappers are terrible songwriters.
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Agreed.
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      And yet hip hop heads think hip hop is better than other genres
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      You can have as many words as you want..
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           Exactly.
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DJ Premier could retire tommorrow, and I wouldn't be THAT upset.
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RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
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UGK's Catalog >>> Outkast's Catalog
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RE: UGK's Catalog >>> Outkast's Catalog
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The Pharcyde deserves a lot more respect than what the currently get.
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1) disco is king
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Ok, her's mine
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^^^ least likely to argue with me in a post
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i dont see what the big deal about lupe not caring about MM is
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That was the single biggest.
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Bitches Brew sucks
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9th wonder said Weezy is the best rapper alive... lets get him!
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I think Muscles' posts are damn near retarded
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Nas and The Fugees put me on to Hip Hop, not Rakim...
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Cee-lo has the best male voice in pop music right now nm
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But that's only because 95% of them can't sing.
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      Argument fell apart here:
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RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast
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Masta Ace >>>>>>>> 90 percent of rappers out now
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OutKast has one true classic and two near classics
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Hmmmm...no one has said anything to make me look sideways..
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I got more...
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I have far too many
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Just wanted to get in before the archive
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I'm not feeling you on this, ?uest
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Mary's first album was some doo doo.
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Organized Noise had a few good joints.
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So it's ok if Prince hated Jimi Hendrix......
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Jimi Hendrix isn't very accessable. he's always attracted posers though
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I agree on Pac. I thought he was WACK, FAKEST OF ANY GANGSTER.
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I've never heard Can I Borrow A Dollar.
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Big Pun >>>> Biggie
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i listened to fantastic vol 2 for the first time yesterday...
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I believe Kanye's music is dated..
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Jeru the Damaja sucks.
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Shoot, I do this on a regular basis
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Damn good post
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i didnt like illmatic or reasonable doubt when they first came out
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FireBrand
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1. "I don't fuck with Prince or De La Soul."
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And what of it?


"How can you judge what I feel in me?" (c) Common
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DJ Contact
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5. "Me neither, especially early De La, they was corny to me"
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I never liked Prince and I never will, no matter how much cats champion dude....I'm more of a Rick James man myself.

"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

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FireBrand
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14. "I love some Rick James."
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"How can you judge what I feel in me?" (c) Common
www.myspace.com/northernarcatl
www.worldfamousmag.com
ATL: Count Bass D & Collective Efforts
Audobon Society on the 1's & 2's. Jan. 18th. @ The Earl.

  

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marc of the beats
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343. "RE: I don't fuck with Prince or De La Soul."
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>And what of it?
>
>
>"How can you judge what I feel in me?" (c) Common
>www.myspace.com/northernarcatl
>www.worldfamousmag.com
>>ATL: Count Bass D & Collective Efforts
>Audobon Society on the 1's & 2's. Jan. 18th. @ The Earl.



lol you don't like prince lol lol lol wow.....guess you have a right not to like prince !

  

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FireBrand
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347. "I didn't say I didn't like Prince. I said I don't fuck with him."
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Plenty of prince tracks I like, I just don't search him out, or own more than one record. Only one I got is the most recent and I got that for free.


"How can you judge what I feel in me?" (c) Common
www.myspace.com/northernarcatl
www.worldfamousmag.com
ATL: Count Bass D & Collective Efforts
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Wordup
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2. "How come you werent this understanding when I said . . ."
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Sat Dec-23-06 12:20 PM by Wordup

  

          

I didnt like Barry White, Prince, Sam Cooke, etc etc.

That wasnt a shock poster either, thats me keeping it real. Well there you have it . . .

Actually I think I started this whole fiasco when made posts about artists I never bothered to check out and stuff. OKP shifted . . . everybody started becoming more honest and real. Before people were posing like some boho wisdom mathematitian who has some supreme knowledge of music.

  

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25. "uh i laughed at the visual of the kicks"
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but come on now---shit grows on people.

my point is i want people to get to a point in which they can say

they dont fuck with some shit...

but it really depends on what side of the fence you wanna be on--i'm personally a cat that loves and acknowledges a moment when someone enlightens me.

i think i got like 40% of all the music knowledge i need. and im always fishing. and not because im a musician--its cause i love having a life soundtrack.

cats who HATED prince love that i put "Girl" on they mixtapes---makes the sex THAT much better.

so even for basic shit...like "perhaps you meet a young lady and you wanna impress her" (i had such a case in high school with this jawn who was headed to juliard and was DEEP in classical music.---so i had to get in where i fit in....next thing you know we both going to see The Rite Of Spring in the park.--not to say that i know Igor's whole history---

but i just cant be that nigga that just "dont give a fuck cause they aint putting money in my pocket"

aint nothing wrong with no knowledge.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
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176. "rite of spring is fuckin BANGIN"
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those accents on those poly chords are IMPOSSIBLE to memorize

  

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117. "youre making yourself sound a bit more important than what you are."
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no snark-o.


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258. "Excuse me but I thought I was talking to QuestLove?"
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>
>no snark-o.
>
>
>______
>
>last.fm/user/EmpressEricka/
>myspace.com/kakiking



Dont reply to me. Thanks.

  

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3. "damn, what did Nas do to this dude?"
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lot of sly comments

and throw Jay in to "balance" it out

  

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37. "?uest has a nas vendetta"
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i can understand it even if i don't approve
it's just kind of funny how he "sticks by his man" (jay) when he could honestly give a fuck about the roots and he shows it... plus he fell off and was never as good an emcee as nas... but who can fight (?uest)love?

  

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Street Disciple
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90. "Nah. its justified. Nas went at them on his wendy williams rant"
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"Just cuz you wear a kufi don't mean you righteous". ?uest is probably still heated.

www.myspace.com/jayehlmusic

  

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92. "RE: Nah. its justified. Nas went at them on his wendy williams rant"
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>"Just cuz you wear a kufi don't mean you righteous". ?uest is
>probably still heated.

nas' hot 97 rant was after they backed the camel for 'unplugged' and even interpolated "one love" during "the takeover." nas was still in the wrong/way off about them, but it wasn't out of nowhere.

but crucially they've supposedly "made up" since then and are on the same label now, and yet ?uest keeps taking shots at one of the greatest MCs of all time, even though it's jay-z who really screwed them over this year with the almost complete lack of promo for the roots.

  

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175. "wha?"
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damn you need a late pass like a mofo.
that shit was so 2002.
of course he was coming at niggas---he just got ambushed without warning.
id do the same shit.
since when i look like a grudge holding cat?
sheeeit remember the illadelph halflife campaign when we got 10 quotes
from respected mc's to endorse us?

jay was like "i dont fuck with them to much"

grudge?

nah...lol

no grudge smurf here

NO! LIST
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M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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howisya
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197. "i'm not sure what you're "late pass"ing me with"
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i keep up with your band and as i said i'm aware of you guys and nas "making up" in the years since. still, let's use the word you suggested--"grudge." i enjoy reading your posts but i notice a LOT of subtle and occasionally not so subtle shots at your peers, especially nas, outkast (particularly andre), and the fugees. the repeated shots over the years could be merely a competitive streak or it could be a grudge. but if the nas shit is all in good fun then i admit i was wrong. it brought a smile to my face that nas was over your shoulder reading as you replied to my message about him, even if it wasn't my finest hour. it's kind of an honor in a way. jay lost!

  

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225. "i think yall overanalyzing it"
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ive been very direct with my disdain for who ever it is...
not snide or pc.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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98. "you do realize ?uest is opening for Nas tonight..."
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if he was on Jay's "side" I don't think he would do something like that. I think you all are analyzing a bit much.

-T
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"rick ross got old african woman swag" (c)nayaa

  

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102. "RE: you do realize ?uest is opening for Nas tonight..."
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i think ?uest is bitter and/or salty about nas but still willing to take his money and, previously, use him to lure in concertgoers and gain cred. how about that?

  

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112. "do u."
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-T
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"rick ross got old african woman swag" (c)nayaa

  

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The Damaja
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111. "nas and jay-z are the most talked about people on OKP"
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it's not a sneaky shot to point out the irony of will an nas singing 'hiphop is dead'... it's stating the bleeding obvious. (will.i.am. and nas know it too)
and he just criticized jay-z's 'songwriting' in the same breath

you sound a bit ridiculous with this vendetta stuff... i mean maybe this is why questo used to only post in that bizarre cryptic style that defied quotation

--------------------
Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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howisya
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115. "i'm not referring to just one comment"
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if you read MY reply i said i AGREED with the comment.

95+% of the time i can decode ?uest's cryptic messages, plus i occasionally read his myspace blog, and dude takes a LOT of obvious and subtle jabs at nas and very rarely criticizes jay-z. it just strikes me as amusing and interesting; is that a crime?

  

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260. "nas and jay-z are the most talked about people in hip-hop."
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------------------------------

maybe i'm laughing my way to disaster...

  

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170. "uh no i don't"
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i say Nas lost cause its fun.
actually he watching me respond to this right now over my shoulder.


nas lost
nas lost
nas lost
nas lost


(lol...)

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Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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Street Disciple
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172. "lol"
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www.myspace.com/jayehlmusic

  

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178. "that shit was so over my head i thought you were talking about lupe"
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im just going off the top but i can add more to the list.
i mean what politically incorrect statement has NOT been made on okayplayer?

south sets blacks back centuries?
dre see's ghosts?
left of center is crazy? (lauryn, dave, d, zach, dre, erykah?)
common bites lifestyles?
im a pretentious fuck?

i mean that was a call to open the floor.

didn't mean to turn you into ruffled smurf.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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DJ Contact
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4. "What Resurrection post? Whatchu talkin bout ?uesto?"
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"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

http://twitter.com/semiautomatic_C
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153. "I think it is archived. He mentioned, if memory serves correctly,..."
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that he was not particularly fond of Resurrection for a few reasons.

--- praying for peace, love, and power

  

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333. "RE: What Resurrection post? Whatchu talkin bout ?uesto?"
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this isn't "THE" post he mentions but its some more info on his feelings.
FEb 2000
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=19&topic_id=26506&mesg_id=26506&page=

Or if you have the time look over these search results
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=Resurrection+Posted+by+qoolquest+99+site%3Aokayplayer.com

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6. "it's that he has no interest in MM."
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i don't care about:

Prince and like his imitations better than him
i've never listened to Tical front to back
never seen the Goonies or beat Super Mario Bros 1 on NES (that's like a requirement to leave the 1980s or you get stuck in a time warp by some ghost with a scythe on december 31st, 1989)


This Nigga Lupe said:
"I respect hip-hop and i dont know one word of Midnight Marauders and truthfully dont have the interest to go and find out..."

FAWHAMAJAM
www.rappersiknow.com/?p=49

  

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9. "RE: it's that he has no interest in MM."
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>never seen the Goonies or beat Super Mario Bros 1 on NES
>(that's like a requirement to leave the 1980s or you get stuck
>in a time warp by some ghost with a scythe on december 31st,
>1989)

LOL. Me neither man. Those crazy missiles got to me.

  

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chaseman
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58. "RE: it's that he has no interest in MM."
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my brother beat mario so he helped me get past that ghost dude with the scythe

  

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70. "second not beating Mario 1"
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still feel obligated to do it someday

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7. "hating on Pac is played out fam"
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u got over your OutKast and Fugee hate... which is good but you too old to not "get" Pac

i used to have the same opinions of Pac


EDIT: Here are mine

Jay's "Where I'm From" >>>>>>> "NY State of Mind" and just about any other Nas song
Dipset is more (hiphop) than all these underground "purists" acts
I never liked Public Enemy's beats (and all the noise) so i didnt listen

oh well

  

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10. "Its not even an extreme stance on these boards, its the majority"
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As we saw in the Q-tip vs Pac post, most of the people around here thought Pac was wack...

Its outside of the matrix where cats would try to stone him for sayin that.

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"i still got my opinions"


  

          

but in today's climate? i borderline NEED a kast and a clef just so that my shit makes sense.

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"Food Glorious Food"
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"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
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"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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228. "word"
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i cant get into PE
and its not just that i dont like the beats...i think chuck d sounds fuckin corny...sowwie.

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298. "how do you think cube sounds?"
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or Pac.

both chuck influenced, btw.
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wow. i still post on message boards. lol.

  

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374. ""hate" boo...."
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the way quest commented on fugees/kast is different from his criticism of pac.

quest said he copped all his albums. how do you "hate" someone and you've paid for all their art?

pac should be glad people are even still talking about him. if he was alive he'd be in rakim land right now.

  

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8. "Killa Season>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Food & Liqour"
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doggie, food & liqour wasn't all that. beats were garbage for the most part, some of them shits sounded like rock music. fuck outta here lupe i don't fuck wit that. and all that talk about u gettin sum white rock group for ur new album WHAT PART OF THE GAME IS THAT!

i see u be on that coldplay and johnny cash tip, niggas don't fuck wit that. dissing nas, then bigging up coldplay, thats on sum str8 homo ish :wrist. thats an L, son.
oh and...

KILLA SEASON>>>>>>>>>>>FOOD & LIQUOR


  

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13. "YES."
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.

<----They WILL carry the cross

  

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11. "Never heard."
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All Eyez on Me or Life After Death the whole thing through.

Also don't care to.

  

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287. "Biggie kind of fell off on that album"
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Ready To Die was exciting. Biggie was untouchable back then. He got a lil' lazy on Life After Death. He lost his charm between those albums.

  

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12. "fear of a black planet - that is not rapping"
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that's just shouting

there's only 4 or 5 tracks on the chronic worth listening to

midnight mauraders is obscenely over-rated as far as i can remember. maybe i'll pay it again after all this talk. but i'm surprised people are so upset over that particular LP (well, i'm not surprised considering it's OKP, but you know what i mean)

rza cannot rap, not any more anyway. master killer cannot rap. i find it sort of embarrassing for hiphop that the 'heads' are willing to give a pass to blatant lack of ability, esp. when it's some underground MC, or the Wu

i find hiphop emotionally drained compared to other genres. not that i'm never moved, but not nearly as much. then again 70% of rap is just bragging anyway, so i guess those tracks aren't supposed to. but deeper than that, something that i was maybe going to make another post about (i made a related one before and lots of people were quick to say 'oh you just don't feel it, it's not for you') is how 'emotional' hiphop is so fucking melodramatic. i listened to some 2pac song about a crack addict mother holding our dying baby in the midst of a gang fight, it didn't move me nearly as much as that Wordsworth song just about how he was doing shows with just a few people in the audience, struggling. similarly when you think of most pop music, the lyrics aren't epic tragedies, it's usually some small problem but it's enough to produce emotion. people talk about Ghost and his emo-ness. ghost is so over-the-top. it's like saying Joe Pesci is the most sensitive, moving actor of all time, 'the angst is so visceral!'

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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16. "RE: fear of a black planet - that is not rapping"
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masta killa is iller than lupe.

this nigga lupe needs to learn to slow down wit all that conscious serious ish on his album. nigga sounds like he's tryna save the world; plus all those garbage beats that sound like movie scores aren't helping him either.

  

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108. "RE: fear of a black planet - that is not rapping"
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i like lupe, i like his beats, and his rhymes, i think he tries to save the world without being "too" corny. but he has to learn to cover up his weezing inhalations between verses. that shit bugs me.

  

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384. "But that's his whole steez"
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If he cut down on that stuff, he wouldn't be the same MC.

That's like saying Dennis Leary needs to go easy on the angry rants in his standup act.

  

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22. "lol!!! "there's only 4 or 5 tracks on the chronic worth listening to""
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what is your criteria for "WORTH"

oh well

  

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27. "good beats or good rapping"
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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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28. "basically ur sayin there's at most FOUR good beats on chronic"
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kill yourself

oh well

  

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The Damaja
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30. "there's 4 great ones and then some OK ones with OK rappers"
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i probably should have said 'great beats or great rapping'

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Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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39. "u dont realize what most rap sounded like Pre-Chronic"
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if u did, u wouldnt make these statements

eevn the simplistic beats on Chronic like Bitches Aint Shit are extremely dope IMO

Dre's beats were gangsta as hell, but danceable and had a Movie-scene essence to them.

Niggaz4Life and Chronic are production masterpieces playboy, this cant be disputed u need to do the homework on that

oh well

  

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44. "Efil4zaggin is brilliant, all the way through, Chronic is not"
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it has a few highlights and a lot of weak tracks that i had/have no desire to here again

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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47. "i'm not even gonna get into the MCing, but list the 4 worthy tracks"
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oh well

  

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The Damaja
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56. "the obvious ones"
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let me ride
g thang
dre day

and either ghetto boy and nigga witha a gun if i had to go back and listen

the intro music is cool

i understand even the weaker tracks were also part of dre's new g-funk sound (and different from efil4zaggin) but they aint worth listening to anymore. lots of artists do something innovative without doing it very well

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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61. "Wow...you not even feelin "Stranded On Death Row" at least?"
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78. "mmm not particularly"
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it's a good enough platform for an MC to rip the track but i don't think they did

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*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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293. "deeeeeeeeeeeez nuts"
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how can you not feel that



Cop kicks to scuff em.


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174. "man do you not remember most mofos HATED the chornic when it came out?"
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shit was too clean for my taste.
like wasn't george clinton so 1989?
and the posse cut with the "jam" break so 1990?
sorry it took mighty convincing.

because of the gangsta image america is in LUV with The Chronic won.
and sonically the shit could fit on radio because it was the cleanest hip hop album.

but at the time....most "heads" thought it was a step back like wynton rocking a suit playing 40's jazz in the face of m base.

but of course it being the first time a credible ARTIST won big in hip hop (before dre the "sell out" pop rap was the winner) everyone followed suit.

that is why i love and hate the chronic.

mofos dont respect its beautiful gangsta.

mofos respect its money.

but we aint here to argue the merits---we here to desensitize our disdain for the odd guy out and realize that some shit that should be "obvious"---sometimes aint that way to the next fella.

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South Park TV Songs
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"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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181. "i have no idea what ur talkin about"
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my only original memories of that album are gettin a haircut at my homies crib in his parents basement and hearin "1... 2... 3 and to the 4..." and it was over. This is New York by the way. Everybody was bugged off that track and they had "Fuck Dre Day" too. Then when album dropped I remember that weed leaf CD art. That album and the first Pharcyde were my shit that whole summer

i dont have the faintest idea what u talkin playboi

oh well

  

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194. "he's talking about what the grown ups were thinking about"
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while us youngins were getting down

  

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195. "haha"
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oh well

  

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196. "grown ups loved that sh*t too..."
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>while us youngins were getting down

...I don't know what "heads" ?uest talking about. lol

<--- we've got bush!

  

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202. "nah, dog...u cats ARE too young to remember, but ?uest is right"
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the chronic was what, '92?
that's 14 years ago this winter
so, say you was 14 & you loved it. youre 28 now.
the older heads were 21, they're 35 now
but man...
the 'hip hop heads'??????
the niggaz that loved east coast rap?
the cats that lived & died for tribe, pete & cl, brand nubian?

THEY. HATED. THAT. SHIT.

I will never forget this dude who was a east coast loving local rapper-type telling me that the chorus (niggaz didnt say hook then) for Snoop's Gin & Juice was the worst he had ever heard & how much he hated them niggaz for ruining rap.

I didnt even wanna smack dude down on the fact that it was one of the coldest interpolations i had heard at the time, but I digress...

YOU cats...y'all on some...but EYE like Tribe, Pete & cl & the chronic/doggystyle...whats up wit that?


and I've BEEN saying y'all 20-somethings lying up in here. YOU DISCOVERED ONE OR THE OTHER IN YOUR LATE TEENS/ADULTHOOD/AWAY IN COLLEGE...there was no hood in america that played The Chronic AND mecca & the soul brother. there is no way you were 12 rocking brand nubian when everyone else was rocking Dre & Snoop. you were down with one or the other.

That's what lupe was saying...WHEN HE WAS 12 IN CHICAGO CATS ON THE WEST SIDE OF CHICAGO THEY WERE NOT BUMPING TRIBE...THEY WERE BUMPING DRE, SNOOP, QUIK, EIHT, SCARFACE/GETO BOYZ, TOO SHORT, ETC.

do y'all even realize that this whole hip hop is dead/down south hate is nothing but the new millenium version of the east coast/west coast beef? the only difference is information moves at the click of a mouse. there are blogs and message boards where any muhfucka with a wit can have a blog & a following. dudes & dudettes, errrrrrrrrbody outside of NY loved the westcoast and everyone in the industry hated the west. JUST LIKE NOW! EVERYBODY LOVES THE SOUTH EXCEPT NY RAPPERS, NY INDUSTRY HEADS, AND NIGGAZ ON MESSAGE BOARDS! The rest of the country is walkin it out...(c) unk

it just seems bigger now. i always say if we had the internet when Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt came out they wouldnt be classics in the same sense cuz people would have hated on them. Niggaz will argue GRODT is not a classic...and they're crazy cuz it is, but its only an arguement because it was released in the internet era. if it was '94 50 cent woulda saved east coast rap & g-unit would be revered like wu-tang


moral.... you were young, revisionist history is always in effect, and the only niggaz that listened to Nas, Tribe, Pete & CL, & De La in '92 were niggaz who HATED west coast rap

the end


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211. "dog i'm 28 what is u talkin about"
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the only thing that rings true with me from what u said is the whole "singing chorus" thing. I remember not liking "Temperature's Rising" on Infamous cause that shit had real singy hook.

But this whole east vs. west shit u talkin didnt materialize till a couple years later. I dont rembmer anyone in middle/high school givin a shit about where rappers were from. Ghetto Boyz "My Mind's Playin Tricks On Me" blew up in NY, Luniz blew up, 2 live crew, etc... only cat i blatantly hated on back then (and associated it with region) was Too $hort. I couldnt stand that dude but it was cause of his flow (or lack thereof).

either way... i had Menace II Society and Above the Rim soundtracks mixed in with all my tribe, de la, LL Cool J, Kane, Redman, Organized Konfusion, Smiff & Wessun, Artifacts, etc etc etc shit

it might be a young vs. old thing cause nobody gave a shit about regions.

Going back to my original point tho... NWA and them was always singing shit and had that funky pimp movie vibe shit to their music so it didnt come off as "singy". Easy E even had "I'd Rather Fuck You" which was a classic in my circles. When I heard a sung hook over some east coast boom bap it was terrible to me. Yet i loved Pharcyde's shit. I guess the west just did the singing production differently. Side Note: i think RD was one of the first straight east coast albums with a lot of singing i really felt.


Edit: and scarface was my shit too... "on the forilla my nigga just call me scarface" i think that was some geto boyz shit. how can u just make the blanket statement that cats rode with one thing or the other?

oh well

  

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218. "but dont u see that's what I'm taum bout?"
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nobody 14 gave a fuck about regions & neither did your big brothers/uncles/cousins, all u cared about was hot joints. but the older 'hip hop heads' (lets call them the okayplayers of their day) HATED WEST COAST RAP. and i'm sayin & quest is sayin, thats what yall dont remember.

just like the kids from harlem on 106th & park could give a fuck about where unk is from...that shit just hot to them.

<----- The reason your team's players jump into the stands after a TD

  

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223. "arent we talking about whether the album is great or not?"
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Sat Dec-23-06 10:06 PM by Quez

          

what did Quest's (and your) point have to do with anything?

even if "some" east coast heads didnt like Chronic, are you still willing to say that album wasnt/isnt the shit? only 4 great beats?

hahaha

EDIT: i feel kinda silly defending an album that went quadrouple-plat and was everywhere. everybody i know had a copy of that damn album on them and the same thing when snoops dropped

i dont remember any chronic hate at all, maybe it was an industry thing. but then again, i was in my early teens, i wasnt watchin the news, payin attention to critics... shit i was too busy noddin my head

oh well

  

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296. "I was in college when the Chronic dropped..."
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...and as far as I know that album was getting
universal love. The shit was ubiquitous and when
niggas was rocking it, I never heard anyone
complain about that shit. All we did was smoke,
play Madden and go to class. That disc was played
front to back and repeated without complaint
during some Madden sessions. This Chronic was
getting hated on is news to me.

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212. "older n*ggas liked that sh*t, dawg. purists hated that sh*t."
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>the chronic was what, '92?
>that's 14 years ago this winter
>so, say you was 14 & you loved it. youre 28 now.
>the older heads were 21, they're 35 now
>but man...
>the 'hip hop heads'??????
>the niggaz that loved east coast rap?
>the cats that lived & died for tribe, pete & cl, brand
>nubian?
>
>THEY. HATED. THAT. SHIT.
>

that small sector, don't include all heads.

purists don't like sh*t, but what they like.

foh. east coast n*ggas that knew what time it was, and liked NWA sh*t, LOVED the Chronic.




>I will never forget this dude who was a east coast loving
>local rapper-type telling me that the chorus (niggaz didnt say
>hook then) for Snoop's Gin & Juice was the worst he had ever
>heard & how much he hated them niggaz for ruining rap.
>

*1* dude.

nuff said.

>I didnt even wanna smack dude down on the fact that it was one
>of the coldest interpolations i had heard at the time, but I
>digress...
>

*1* dude.

nuff said.

>YOU cats...y'all on some...but EYE like Tribe, Pete & cl & the
>chronic/doggystyle...whats up wit that?
>

??????

how about n*ggas like just like good music.

they don't give a f*ck about titles and mainstream/underground bullsh*t.

only d*ckheads are into titles.

most people just wanna hear good music.

that is why tribe survived that whole gangsta rap era.

why?

they made great music.

nuff said.

>
>and I've BEEN saying y'all 20-somethings lying up in here. YOU
>DISCOVERED ONE OR THE OTHER IN YOUR LATE TEENS/ADULTHOOD/AWAY
>IN COLLEGE...there was no hood in america that played The
>Chronic AND mecca & the soul brother. there is no way you were
>12 rocking brand nubian when everyone else was rocking Dre &
>Snoop. you were down with one or the other.
>


1). you don't know me.

2). that simply isn't a fact. mofos like good music. there WERE n*ggas on the east who dug the Chronic AND PR and CL's sh*t.

3). your circle isn't the entire world.

>That's what lupe was saying...WHEN HE WAS 12 IN CHICAGO CATS
>ON THE WEST SIDE OF CHICAGO THEY WERE NOT BUMPING TRIBE...THEY
>WERE BUMPING DRE, SNOOP, QUIK, EIHT, SCARFACE/GETO BOYZ, TOO
>SHORT, ETC.
>

Lupe = 1 person.

nuff said.

>do y'all even realize that this whole hip hop is dead/down
>south hate is nothing but the new millenium version of the
>east coast/west coast beef? the only difference is information
>moves at the click of a mouse. there are blogs and message
>boards where any muhfucka with a wit can have a blog & a
>following. dudes & dudettes, errrrrrrrrbody outside of NY
>loved the westcoast and everyone in the industry hated the
>west. JUST LIKE NOW! EVERYBODY LOVES THE SOUTH EXCEPT NY
>RAPPERS, NY INDUSTRY HEADS, AND NIGGAZ ON MESSAGE BOARDS! The
>rest of the country is walkin it out...(c) unk
>


*zzzzzzzz*

you are a genius!

only YOU can see that sh*t. lol

>it just seems bigger now. i always say if we had the internet
>when Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt came out they wouldnt be
>classics in the same sense cuz people would have hated on
>them. Niggaz will argue GRODT is not a classic...and they're
>crazy cuz it is, but its only an arguement because it was
>released in the internet era. if it was '94 50 cent woulda
>saved east coast rap & g-unit would be revered like wu-tang
>

*zzzzzzzz*


>
>moral.... you were young, revisionist history is always in
>effect, and the only niggaz that listened to Nas, Tribe, Pete
>& CL, & De La in '92 were niggaz who HATED west coast rap
>
>the end
>
>

moral...you old and bitter and wrong.


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229. "jambone got pwned...........again"
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213. "I don't remember that being the case in new york ..."
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I was in my early teens when Chronic dropped and I remember we would listen to almost the same mixtape daily that summer which had - Let Me Ride, Don't Sweat The Technique, Fakin The Funk, I Made Love (Lil Shawn) and They Reminisce Over You ... and heads were loving all of the tracks.
I didn't reach for that album, but I didn't hate it neither. There was room for ALL of it back in 92 here in NYC.

>the chronic was what, '92?
>that's 14 years ago this winter
>so, say you was 14 & you loved it. youre 28 now.
>the older heads were 21, they're 35 now
>but man...
>the 'hip hop heads'??????
>the niggaz that loved east coast rap?
>the cats that lived & died for tribe, pete & cl, brand
>nubian?
>
>THEY. HATED. THAT. SHIT.
>
>I will never forget this dude who was a east coast loving
>local rapper-type telling me that the chorus (niggaz didnt say
>hook then) for Snoop's Gin & Juice was the worst he had ever
>heard & how much he hated them niggaz for ruining rap.
>
>I didnt even wanna smack dude down on the fact that it was one
>of the coldest interpolations i had heard at the time, but I
>digress...
>
>YOU cats...y'all on some...but EYE like Tribe, Pete & cl & the
>chronic/doggystyle...whats up wit that?
>
>
>and I've BEEN saying y'all 20-somethings lying up in here. YOU
>DISCOVERED ONE OR THE OTHER IN YOUR LATE TEENS/ADULTHOOD/AWAY
>IN COLLEGE...there was no hood in america that played The
>Chronic AND mecca & the soul brother. there is no way you were
>12 rocking brand nubian when everyone else was rocking Dre &
>Snoop. you were down with one or the other.
>
>That's what lupe was saying...WHEN HE WAS 12 IN CHICAGO CATS
>ON THE WEST SIDE OF CHICAGO THEY WERE NOT BUMPING TRIBE...THEY
>WERE BUMPING DRE, SNOOP, QUIK, EIHT, SCARFACE/GETO BOYZ, TOO
>SHORT, ETC.
>
>do y'all even realize that this whole hip hop is dead/down
>south hate is nothing but the new millenium version of the
>east coast/west coast beef? the only difference is information
>moves at the click of a mouse. there are blogs and message
>boards where any muhfucka with a wit can have a blog & a
>following. dudes & dudettes, errrrrrrrrbody outside of NY
>loved the westcoast and everyone in the industry hated the
>west. JUST LIKE NOW! EVERYBODY LOVES THE SOUTH EXCEPT NY
>RAPPERS, NY INDUSTRY HEADS, AND NIGGAZ ON MESSAGE BOARDS! The
>rest of the country is walkin it out...(c) unk
>
>it just seems bigger now. i always say if we had the internet
>when Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt came out they wouldnt be
>classics in the same sense cuz people would have hated on
>them. Niggaz will argue GRODT is not a classic...and they're
>crazy cuz it is, but its only an arguement because it was
>released in the internet era. if it was '94 50 cent woulda
>saved east coast rap & g-unit would be revered like wu-tang
>
>
>moral.... you were young, revisionist history is always in
>effect, and the only niggaz that listened to Nas, Tribe, Pete
>& CL, & De La in '92 were niggaz who HATED west coast rap
>
>the end
>
>
>


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248. "4 tracks on the chronic?!? farreal?!?"
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all I'ma say is that when I was 12, I bought low end theory, the pharcyde,I had the chronic from my pops to be real with you...but I also was bumping fresh prince and kriss kross...point being is that back then hip hop wasnt regionalized like it is now...like mike love said, it was bout hot music and most people didnt care where u were from...I dont agree with kids liking one or the other tho...my disc man had scarface's the diary in it just as much as MM or Illmatic...


here's my unpopular opinion tho...

Y'all crazy for tryin to kill the chronic off like that but to me, Snoop's Doggystyle is a better album than the chronic...Doggystyle reminds me more of DR back then than the Chronic...

...also I think Ice Cube's death certificate is the best hip hop album of all time...Along with Midnight Marauders...

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271. "Yeah..."
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>
>here's my unpopular opinion tho...
>

not really unpopular, homie.

>Y'all crazy for tryin to kill the chronic off like that but to
>me, Snoop's Doggystyle is a better album than the
>chronic...Doggystyle reminds me more of DR back then than the
>Chronic...
>

A lot of people feel the same sentiment.

I disagree with you, but I hear where you coming from.

Chronic laid the foundation for Doggystyle.

I thought Doggystyle was a classic follow-up to a classic album.

>...also I think Ice Cube's death certificate is the best hip
>hop album of all time...Along with Midnight Marauders...

Yep. Death Certificate IS the greatest hip-hop album of all time, solo-wise. It had the whole entire package. It was perfect.


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273. "RE: nah, dog...u cats ARE too young to remember, but ?uest is right"
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>>there is no way you were 12 rocking brand nubian when everyone else was rocking Dre & Snoop. you were down with one or the other.

Funny, I was rocking both; but it was only that Dr. Dre was front and center in mainstream hip hop, and was bigger than Quik, CMW, and them--especially from a 13-year old's perspective.

A few years later, I definitely remember getting into arguments with some friends of mine about who was better, my side (Tribe, De La, Showbiz & AG, The Roots) versus his side (Bone Thugs, Eightball & MJG, whatever Ice Cube protege that was out at the time).

That's right: I was getting into pointless circular arguments about music way before the Lesson.

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304. "brand nubian was on the menace II society soundtrack, homeboy"
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these clean cut lines you're drawing are historical revisionism.

i remember a homie of mine from houston having ugk'z, tribe, de la, and spice 1 in his cd booklet (remember those 24 & 48 cd holding booklets?).

myself personally, i was rocking with cube and PE equally. pac and tribe...equally. now, maybe you're talking about the bandwagon jumping cats when you say 'no hood was bumping x and y', but surely you realize hip-hop is full of exceptions to rules, don't you? personally, i recall hip-hop being less geographically divisive then than now, at least on the southern side, where we were fairly receptive to rap from most regions (bun b has spoken on this extensively). it wasn't until NYC started excessively sh*tting on people, IMHO, that heads starting going super-regional, almost on some reflexive 'well, i'll take my ball home and play by myself' defensive type steez. and once we started blowing up w/o the NYC critical stamp of approval, it was game over.
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331. "I'm 28 and I hear what you're sayin' but it wasn't all either or."
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I SWORE by both The Chronic AND Midnight Marauders back then. Plus Doggystyle & Buhloone Mindstate. My older cousins thought I was crazy for likin' the West Coast stuff but the cats my age were bumpin' everything at that time...




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336. "WRONG"
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no hood in america that played The
>Chronic AND mecca & the soul brother. there is no way you were
>12 rocking brand nubian when everyone else was rocking Dre &
>Snoop. you were down with one or the other.
>
.... you were young, revisionist history is always in
>effect, and the only niggaz that listened to Nas, Tribe, Pete
>& CL, & De La in '92 were niggaz who HATED west coast rap
>

Damn you can't really believe that...

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302. "most heads? where?"
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i'm tempted to ask you to name names. where you in a basement with large pro, tip, pete, and primo and everybody was pointing at the speakers laughing while the chronic played? LOL.
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341. ""DEEP COVER" was RUGGED.. G thang was LAME...."
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..but the G thang remicx and the freestyle joint made up for it ...Yes the chronic was a bit too squeeky clean ..but there was 5 or 6 undeniable cuts in there

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356. "Loads the CAL. This dude opinion wild and souless. Fuck'em."
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141. "cosign that bit on fear of a black planet"
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its not that good imo

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we iz special bus

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17. "i personally think the pass people still give premier has expired"
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(and when i first started reading this post, thats what i thought about, but once i got to the end, it looks like this might not be THAT revolutionary of a thought, if you're putting it out there!)

like, in that cats need to stop saying, "Why isn't Premier on that new (insert artist name, usually someone from NY who last worked with Premier a decade ago) album????" or "(new rapper that would be out of place working with premier) should hook up with premier!"

the reason is its not 1994 any more. its not 1996. his time is up, and his production as of late (save that christina aguilera (of all people) song) has been relatively mediocre. maybe he can have a comeback, but i honestly don't care if he does, and i think that people who adamently still ride for premier 6 years after lwfc, 10 since reasonable doubt, etc., are just getting their hopes up.


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18. "The Come Up>>>>>>>>>Any beat lupe has ever rapped on"
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and oh,

The Come Up>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any track lupe ever made

  

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234. "my man"
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primo is dead.
im glad im not the only one with the balls to say it
he made 1 banger this year tho...and it wasnt no damn come up or format.
it was blaq poet's "bang this"
sounds like primo circa 98...but the rest of his shit sounds tired..formulaic...and in an attempt to switch up or update his style, he came up with a wacker, sparser, more boring one, imo. that ownerz shit is garbage..that drum kit is WACK and soul-less.

and to the cat above me..no
kick, push >>>>>>>>>>>>> any beat primo has done in the last 2 years.

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nigga stfu. kick/push sounded like a movie score or sum shit.

  

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265. "kick/push is really gay"
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I skateboard & have for a long time & people who skateboard & like rap don't want to hear that corny bullshit. But I just listened to Food/Liquor for the first time to hear what someone who comes accross to me as tryin to ride the "alternative/real" mc image that has never heard Midnight Marauders (!) & I have to say I was suprisingly impressed. I don't know if it's good enough that I would cop it but it was a lot better than expected

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272. "the beat is hot"
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fuck the song
fuck skateboarding.
fuck lupe.

the beat is hot. thats all im talking about.

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253. "e tu,dro? nm"
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19. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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Dilla is overrated. He is an OK hip-Hop beatmaker, didn't make anyone he worked with noticeably better, and barely has any classic albums under his belt.

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124. "<<<waits for Quest to delete your login after this one"
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lol
















actually I agree withcha to a point

  

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241. "RE: <<<waits for Quest to delete your login after this one"
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lol...that was the point....Lupe didn't get any harsher treatment than anybody else would have for making a statement that the majority of people here disagree with...he just got extra attention cuz he's a signed artist...but people on here bicker all the time...

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20. "most enjoy/sugarhill-era hip-hop is boring"
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granted there's always a "super rappin'" or "that's the joint". but most of that ish? the whole jiggified, post-disco/house band steez gets boring after, OMG, the 14:00-mark.

hip-hop really doesn't interest me until about 1982.

not a dis post; just a real post (c) me via jay

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21. "why are you trying to cushion Lupe's L?"
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i ride hard for the dude on these boards.
but its one thing to say you never heard
MM but quite another to say you have no
interest in hearing it whatsoever.

now its his right to feel how he feels.
but its also his fan's right to look at him funny.

  

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24. "word, i never heard a cold crush brothers tape"
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and i dont even know if them niggas had an album

but if someone handed me a cold crush brothers tape it would get a spin or two definately

i wouldnt be like "i aint interested in hearing that"

hahaha shit's borderline retarded

oh well

  

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29. "exactly"
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a quick search of my username will reveal that i am a borderline Lupe fan boy...lol...but the way he came across was way too fucking smug. i admitted to not hearing DOC, an okp sent me the CD, I still wasn't feeling it like everybody else seemd to. But initially I was at least curious to hear it.

and Lupe is not just the average poster, he should exercise more tact with what he says online. talib kweli is only now recovering for the consequences of his bad board behaviour. granted he also had a few weak albums in between but alot of fans wrote him off based on that incident. sure some say its just okp but when half of your fans are on okp or okp types you should keep up the image and keep the money in your pocket.

  

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38. "hol up a minute, what DOC CD did your boy give you?"
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43. "i hope it was Helter Skelter..."
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cuz if it was No One Can Do it Better... *smh*

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45. "I'm sayin man, coz...just...no. No."
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69. "without the nostalgic element, alot of old rap sounds...well old...lol"
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but i at least can respect what he was doing. and even enjoy
it but it didn't blow me away like i expecteded it to.
for me it was one of those, you had to be there, records.

and back to the original post. my reaction was not:
"i ain't trying to hear that"

  

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360. "this is some absolute bulls***"
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so you would prefer him to lie? get outta here man - dude is human! HE DOESN'T WANNA LISTEN TO MM...who cares? a lotta of ppl don't
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42. "it was actually an LL"
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a double L:
L for (L)upe for the stated and obvious reasons
L for okayplayers for showing their ass and "not getting it" about music. imagine if everyone in music was required to listen to and like the same shit. music would be so boring and predictable. i love that lupe hasn't heard 'MM' even though i like the album. maybe if he grew up listening to ATCQ his music would be different and i wouldn't like it as much as i do. think of it in terms of a chemistry equation. change one thing and the outcome is completely different and/or it won't work.

  

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66. "not sure if you missed it or conveniently ignored the sticky point"
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he said he had NO interest in hearing it.
that is a HUGE difference. we all can't listen
to the same shit. cool. but as artists we gotta at least
respect what came before us and laid the foundation
that we are dancing on.

am i expecting artists to lie? of course. they already
do that anyway...lol pretend like you actually give a
fuck about one of the greatest groups in hip-hop.

  

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80. "RE: not sure if you missed it or conveniently ignored the sticky point"
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i neither missed it nor ignored it. the "double L" takes that into consideration.


>but as artists we gotta at least
>respect what came before us and laid the foundation
>that we are dancing on.

no, we don't. at the risk of alligning lupe fiasco with "punk rock"--which i don't and i'm not--you have to take into consideration the hundreds of artistic luminaries who came before that had no interest whatsoever in the "classics" of their respective genre, or worse, shit on them. and then made some of the most interesting music of the time. i have no beef with lupe not being interested in tribe's legacy recordings except that he's missing out on some pretty good music.


>am i expecting artists to lie? of course. they already
>do that anyway...lol pretend like you actually give a
>fuck about one of the greatest groups in hip-hop.

i disagree.

  

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361. "xactly"
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62. "Midnight Marauders was ass."
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I only heard Award Tour. I had no interest in anything else.

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87. "Electric Relaxation?"
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i dont understand how heads can call that album ass

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100. "Yagyu is a fictional poster"
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ignore him/it.

  

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107. "lol @ him/it"
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177. "you're a fucking faggot"
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"The Trilateral Commision we dissin
Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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26. "Lupe's Daydreamin' Is better as an instrumental.."
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the instrumental track is great, but as soon as I heard the original, I decided I would just stick to just the beat and the sample..

which btw: what sample is that?

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31. "2Pac is better than Q-Tip"
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No wait, that's only an unpopular opinion in The Lesson. Gonna think of something else. Lemme try again...

  

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64. "son...i got love...but let this joke go...."
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i swear i've seen you do it 20 times as a reply already...i ain't harpin, i'm just sayin, let it gooooo....it ain't funny...

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73. "sorry, I'm still in shock"
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319. "dont listen to him kalibur."
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you still get a chuckle out of this poster...

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32. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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like lupe i consider ATCQ before my time. i got their 2nd and 3rd albums in 1997 or 1998 from columbia house and i've probably only listened to each about 10 times since. i enjoy them but they're not "for" me. 'the grind date' was my 1st de la album and may be my last. i enjoy them more than tribe but it still doesn't quite connect with me. i don't feel obligated to buy the other albums, even the "classics," or even hear the whole things--instead i download a few songs from each and if i feel compelled to buy the full album then i will. it hasn't happened yet but for de la it is probably just a super sale away.

i don't really connect with UGK's music for the same reasons.

i already listed "classic (rap) albums" i haven't heard in the post about that from this week.

the difference is though i'm not, as another OKP put it, an artist in the same genre basically eating off of the groundwork laid out by tribe's 'MM'.

still, i gained even more respect and further identified w/ lupe after he admitted what he did about 'MM'. it also showed me how much bullshit some OKPs are on and how hypocritical most are when there are other classics in hip-hop, maybe not NYC/east coast golden era but hip-hop nonetheless, that they haven't heard and don't even care to hear.

btw:

1. in the studio/on albums, tupac is a doper MC than black thought. sorry charlie!

2. "Just because you craft a beat DOES NOT MAKE YOU PRODUCER."
thanks for saying this.

3. "i dare you to point out the irony of Will and Nas crying over hip hop after their many sins."
i pointed out the irony of it months back before having even heard the song.

  

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34. "Halftime and Represent off Illmatic were wack"
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The BadBoy era produced some really good hiphop/r&b

I've been slowly coming to the realization that Kingdom Come isn't nearly as good as I thought it was when I first heard it. It's painfully average and boring in retrospect. Jay fell off majorly.

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36. "Represent is my favourite song on Illmatic"
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lil degenerate ass christmas carol

This Nigga Lupe said:
"I respect hip-hop and i dont know one word of Midnight Marauders and truthfully dont have the interest to go and find out..."

FAWHAMAJAM
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204. "yep."
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49. "half time was my favourite illmatic track for ages"
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represent is like my favourite 'dark' hiphop track of all time
how can you possibly say they were wack?!

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

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52. "I never liked the beats or the flow on those tracks, instant skip"
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Actually, I never liked Illmatic like that, it had really, really high peaks, but overall I was like, oh, ok..this Nas dude is pretty good. Then I'd pop in whatever west coast classic I had with me.

It wasn't until IWW that I became a Nas stan.

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105. "you betta head north before they take your face off"
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what tracks on illmatic are the highs then?
the only real drop in quality IMO is the Life's A Bitch beat... i mean that's the only thing that could CONCEIVABLY be wack to me

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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120. "The highs were NY State Of Mind, One Love and The World Is Yours"
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Then you had your dope tracks, then you had one filler track "One Time", then you had your wack joints (Halftime and Represent).

Damn, you know, as I typed that I just realized Illmatic just wasn't all that to me lol. It's wierd coz I know it's held up as a flawless, timeless album, but IWW is a whole magnitude better in every aspect to me.

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55. "i didn't like those songs (halftime represent) until a year ago"
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they got skipped on when i first got the album though

  

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68. "you no like halftime!!!!!"
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82. "*dead*"
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n/m

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186. "halftime = Nas greatest song"
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206. "whoa, son.....better than "The World is Yours"??"
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I dont know, man.....

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224. "halftime was the anthem for so long before the LP came...."
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...kinda like how "who got the props" was the shit for sooooo long while we waited for an actual LP from black moon ...when i say "halftime" is nas best song ..theres several on illmatic that are just as good ..but i roll with halftime

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193. "one time was the only wack joint to me"
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the rest were incredible.

  

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35. "get off loopy disco's dick"
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www.hiphopmusic.com

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46. "Confessions"
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I think Common's LWFC is classic
I actually liked the beautiful struggle
The beats on HHID are not THAT bad
The jungle brothers bored me(maybe I'll re listen)
Masta Killa's debuet bored me
2Pac is the most overrated MC. Period.
All Eyez On Me SUCKED

  

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53. "how did u come up with your username?"
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oh well

  

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57. "lmao!"
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"You post like you look your barber in the eyes when he lines you up."

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81. "all eyes on me sucked? looooooooool"
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97. "yeah that's crazy talk"
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www.myspace.com/jayehlmusic

  

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180. "Actually I have to admit, I don't think it's one of Pac's best"
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there are more pop sounding songs on it than any other 2Pac album, & it's not some buthcered up posthomous release so it doesn't get a pass. At the same time there's some seriously classic shit on there as well, between the 2 discs there's probably 1 disc I actually like a lot

"The Trilateral Commision we dissin
Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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188. "all eyez is (mostly) fucking wack"
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should never have been a double album

it could have been a decent ep

  

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250. "RE: all eyez is (mostly) fucking wack"
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^^^that's real shit...Makaveli is Pac's best album by far...and the Bootleg shit is Pac's best material to me...

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264. "I agree all the bootleg shit is the best"
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the first ones that came out that were all titled Makaveli 2-16

"The Trilateral Commision we dissin
Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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307. "of the 'living Pac' albums, i STILL think AEOM is his worst"
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I've been a Pac fan since Trapped/Brenda's Got A Baby era (even though I didn't go back and buy the debut until after SFMNz, I loved the singles on TN). That said, I thought then and still think now that AEOM is Pac's worst 'living release'. I really try to ignore most the posthumous stuff, although I copped R U Still Down.
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40. "Jay Z aint made a dope album since reasonable doubt."
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some tight tracks? yes. but not a dope album.

that reasonable doubt? hard to do better than that, and he hasn't.


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41. "Cold Crush Brothers? Funky Four plus One More? Who dey?"
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and when I first saw Wild Style, I wondered what the hype was about.

But like I told someone, if you really didn't grow up on it...you really couldn't appreciate it until *maybe* later on.

We are all dreamers...

"I can't change the folks around me...
So I need to change the folks around me"

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48. "the kind of Hip-Hop i like isnt for the mainstream...."
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its a way different time folks...






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50. "It Takes a Nation..... is pretty boring to me"
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but i was never a big PE fan, they seemed pretty hit or miss IMO...

Ready To Die.....is NOT a classic to me...it's just a mostly dope album...and i will NEVER love Juicy...that song always irritated me...

saying ______is the GOAT is wack, no matter who you mention, there's sufficient proof to say your statement isn't true...niggas would be better served sayin "_____is ONE OF the GOAT"

i got many more...

"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

  

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129. "I agree...I love Fear of a Black Planet far more."
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"Being the bigger man is overrated." -- Huey (The Boondocks)

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51. "1. dipset is more than just music ..."
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2. j dilla is beyond over rated

we are simply the Best

  

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267. "Dilla is so laid back & ill"
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He deserves the love, R.I.P.

Dipset on the other hand is garbage

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Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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54. "mannie fresh is a top 5 producer of all time (in hip hop, that is)."
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my fantasy is to go back to
the early 80s (think style wars)
and play mannie beats on the
boombox. i guarantee you those
kids would go fuckin' bonkers...

~~~Tron~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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99. "WRONG"
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131. "*looks at username and signature*"
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if i want your opinion,
i'll ask basaglia....

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Street Disciple
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143. "*looks again at original post*"
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*laughs*

straight silly.

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universole
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59. "the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated it"
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the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated it. people stopped havng fun. i even got caught up.

Not everyone needs a conscious message to feel music, and most of you dont dance to a political soapbox. so stop it. and with that......

fuck what you heard think or feel okp.....

The Diplomats have done more for ny hip hop than any other artist in the past 4 years.

Publicity stunts aside (even tho some were gems and no where near as flagrant as say 50's nonsense) then have consistantly showed the streets and the radio that swagger is as much a part of hip hop as production and lyricism...and ALWAYS has been. Like them or not they have produced more quality content than anyone at their lvl or beyond. They have done it all in the true tradition of hip hop. They OWN they own grind and give it you on a plate of "we dont give a fuck".

Their attitude and hustle in the past 4 years is exactly what made me fall in love with hip hop 20 years ago, you too im sure. Production and lyricm aside, it was the FEELING the movement that opened my ears to hip hop. Later, i started payin attention to production and the message. Im not taking either or those factors away from the dips either, cuz i feel they got it all.


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potstnodayna
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75. "RE: the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated it"
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>the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated
>it. people stopped havng fun. i even got caught up.
>
>Not everyone needs a conscious message to feel music, and most
>of you dont dance to a political soapbox. so stop it. and with
>that......
>


^^comPLETEly disagree.
the "golden age" was FAR from 100% "conscious" rap or any of that shit; there were PLENty of songs that werent about anything special or socially-aware etc. the main difference between that era and this one is QUALITY and BALANCE. the mainstream was exposed to songs that covered all the different aspects of wat rap music could be; now u turn on the radio or mtv or watever an its a whole lot of the same shit... plus rappers were more creative all the way around... even songs about a dance weren't strictly on some this-is-how-you-do-it shit... nowadays muhfuckas r lazy an can pretty much get a hit with any old kind of ignorance. plus the "golden age" also had a more complete well-rounded hip hop scene; now some original elements of the culture (esp. bboying) r pretty much being replaced wit commerce.

(i'm young so im jus goin based off of the hip-hop my mom raised me on an the shit i used to hear on the radio; correct me if im wrong)

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95. "RE: the "golden age" fucked up our music as much as it elevated it"
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never said it was 100% conscious.

and i agree with you for the most part.

early - mid 90's are still my favorite years. but for better or for worse it will never be the same, and folk gotta let go. you'd be kidding yourself if you were around and can say that the influence of native tongue, bcc, def squad ect. didnt make you somewhat of a music snob and the bad boy era caught the collective backlash.

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79. "niggas stopped having fun in the golden era? for real?"
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i remember dancing to PE records so i don't know...

  

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300. "Really? Actually most groups in the "golden age" were about having"
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fun, being silly. that shit is missing nowadays, people say dipset is about having fun, but starting beef is fun nowadays? huh? I dont get it. De la had fun, black sheep had fun, tribe, busta, umcs, slick rick, Icould go on and on, aint no rappers trying to have fun, put some humor in the music nowadays. its all this braggin about your diamonds and hoes and how much money you got. you guys talk about dissing wack mcs as being played out, shit talking about your money is the same thing.

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60. "***WARNING: You OKStans may be left in tears after this!***"
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1) Music = Money. Art is a product to be sold just like toilet paper, clothing, condoms, shoes, diapers or anything else. If artists can't sell, they suck.

2) Biting is HIGHLY recommended. It is always cool to bite another artist, even blatantly. This just gives you a chance to get paid faster. Michael Jackson bit James Brown and look how great he turned out to be. Justin Timberlake bit Michael Jackson and now he is a superstar!

3) Quantity >>> Quality. Lazy artists always come off as inferior to me. Artists like Jay-Z, DMX, and Ludacris are good because they flood the market with product. It doesn't matter if they make the greatest albums or not. They give people music to bounce to. Artists who take two or more years to drop an album are pathetic. Music is a job just like any other. Most of these artists would be fired for putting out an album every 3 or 4 years. I want to constantly be bombarded with music. That is the only way artists can survive in today's industry. One single doesn't cut it. Artists need to drop at minimum two videos BEFORE the album drops.


OK, kiddies?

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155. "^^^"not real to me, thus he doesn't exist...so poof, vamoose...(c)Jay-Z"
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www.myspace.com/jayehlmusic

  

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288. "RE: ***WARNING: You OKStans may be left in tears after this!***"
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>Most of these artists would be fired for putting out an album
>every 3 or 4 years.

^^^this made me laugh out loud! Probably 'cause its true. It shouldn't take 4 years to do an album.

  

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63. "RE: Black Thought IS the weak link..."
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Even his/Roots foray into pop music bombed. "Don't say nuthing" was an ill-fated track with Thought trying hard to sound/put a Roots spin on sounding commercial.

Don't get me wrong, dude can rap that's for sure, but there is no IT factor. With him, the Roots are doomed/destined to posthumous greatness and legend 500 years from now, when some future art-collector retrieves their "fossilized" art.

In short, Thought's career with the Roots is played out like AI in Philly. Maybe it's time to let him branch out to Denver or something.





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77. "or maybe good music is not recognized by most..."
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esp. in the hip-hop world.

i'll take black thought and the roots over a chart topper and platinum-selling rapper anyday.


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84. "co-sign"
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It's like BT never grew as an mc to me

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189. "then you're fucking deaf and dumb"
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86. "The Roots out last them all and walked away with a Grammy"
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http://sundasill.tumblr.com/

  

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88. "^^^painful truth for okayplayer."
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>Even his/Roots foray into pop music bombed. "Don't say
>nuthing" was an ill-fated track with Thought trying hard to
>sound/put a Roots spin on sounding commercial.
>
>Don't get me wrong, dude can rap that's for sure, but there is
>no IT factor. With him, the Roots are doomed/destined to
>posthumous greatness and legend 500 years from now, when some
>future art-collector retrieves their "fossilized" art.
>
>In short, Thought's career with the Roots is played out like
>AI in Philly. Maybe it's time to let him branch out to Denver
>or something.
>

And Black Thought ain't even AI.

Its the reverse.

AI was a strong player that played on a weak team.

The Roots have a weak, nondescript emcee on their team.

Thought is the weak link.

<--- we've got bush!

  

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171. "Black Thought is the weakest MC amongst his peers."
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242. "WTF"
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"How can you judge what I feel in me?" (c) Common
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303. "crack kills."
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wow. i still post on message boards. lol.

  

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362. "log off and die man"
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_____________________________
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266. "actually The Roots just haven't been all that since Tipping Point"
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Phrenology was their last strong album even though everyone hated on it & it wasn't as good as the 3 previous albums, it was dope & I liked it. In that time period, their prime, Though is no question top ten mc, period. Anyone who disagrees doesn't know hip-hop & is on some industry shit, which is weak as hell coming from a fan.

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Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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314. "RE: Black Thought IS the weak link..."
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riq IS and WILL continue stopping the roots from ever being mainstream, but that's the ONLY thing that he is stopping them from doing.

musically they're clearly better with him and he's not stopping them from doing anything, only helping.

  

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65. "as much as i dig Mos, Black On Both Sides is not the classic"
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that everyone claims

i've never understood Pharoahe Monch stans, sure he can spit and has some verses that stand above others however i've never listened to any Organized Konfusion album in full and only rocked Internal Affairs a bout 5 times...

i think Royce 5'9 is better than every rap artist in the Shady/Aftermath/G Unit roster cept for Em and if he had ever had the right direction he couldve been a superstar.

and drum roll.....

MM is my fave album EVER, Tribe is my fave group EVER
but i honestly can count on two hands the # of times ive listened to People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm in full

oh and BDP had 2 dope albums, Krs 1 had 0



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168. "RE: as much as i dig Mos, Black On Both Sides is not the classic"
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I think that listening to Stress: The Extinction Agenda in it's entirety will definitely let you know bout Pharoah. I recommend Stress first because I think it's much more accessible than the Organized Konfusion LP. However OK is their ultimate showcase in lyricism, to me.

Honestly, I didn't really follow Pharoah after those 2 albums.

Regarding Krs, you wouldn't consider Return of the Boom Bap a dope album? He's taking you to a 'higher level'. lol



  

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269. "co-sign on people's instinctive travels"
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shit is just too basic, hip-hop wasn't there yet at least Tribe weren't. If you were old enough during that period of time when that was new then I can see liking it a lot, but for those of us who are younger & were able to listen to all the albums at once, People's Instinctive Travels is easily dismissed. I feel the same about hip-hop in general, it didn't really become the shit that it compares to the best of other genres I like like reggae & rock until around '91-'92

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67. "Rod Stewart >>>>>> Rakim!"
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LOL, plea copping is lame. Lupe done fucked up, face it!

GOMD

  

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270. "lol agreed"
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71. "there is not a female rapper OUT (meaning with a record deal"
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since i haven't heard every broad spit...) who is fucking with me.
not one.

2 game theory is the roots best shit since things fall apart. everything inbetween made me do this :<[br />
3 i think a lot of older emcees are content in just screaming hip hop is dead and not doing anything about it. i feel as though their real beef should be with the industry. the "fuck the past we are the future" attitude of the kids don't help but they, as elders, can't let that slide off. that's why i big monie up big time for how she handled jeezy. she put her job on the line for what she believed in (and ultimately she lost it; i doubt she's crying about it though imo) and was trying to school the young rapper. in his arrogance instead of taking the lesson he was saying anything he could to counter her argument. anyway yea like busta said on the big bang, all the niggas saying the game is wack need to get back in the game. probably easier said than done but we as hip hop heads need to look beyond television and radio to get shit popping again. from my understanding hip hop in the early 80s was considered a fad and wasn't everywhere the way it is today but the people within the culture still kept on doing what they were doing. not looking to "the game" for creative cues but to themselves and their own respective communities. so do i believe hip hop is dead? no. but i do think the industry/crackas up top are doing anything they can to kill the artistic/cultural value of hip hop. it's up to us to go beyond the industry to keep it going and continue the tradition of creativity and originality.

4 unlike lupe i've heard every tribe album. but i'm not a fan. i dig their singles/hits mostly for nostalgic reasons.

5 i hold the same opinion as ?uest as far as tupac goes.

6 most of the shit being catagorized as hip hop that's topping the charts right now isn't even hip hop.

7 i miss the days when new york radio only played new york hip hop and snoop. yea i said it.

i can't think of no more...

  

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72. "If Your First taste of HipHop was The Sugar Hill Gang You are not HipHop..."
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Blondie was MORE HIp HOP Than any cut from The Sugar Hill Gang. They was tryin to make a fast buck.

Oh and I'm not mad at Lupe becuz he doesn't listen or own MM like i didn't listen to F&L or own it.

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74. "Nas naming his album "Hip Hop is Dead" is a gimmick..."
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and the phrase is nauseating to me.


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myself is sculptor of
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the musician of your wrists;
the poet who is afraid
only to mistranslate
a rhythm in your hair...
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aroundRobinHoodsbarn
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76. "listening to madonna backwards while naked in cool whip"
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with my girl is better than anything hiphop has to offer


...ok the truth it...i really don't know aht hiphop has that i don't have under my armpits with pork put there for 5 days that i wouldn't eat*

note to self save that for a rhyme..you see me doin me make it alright for you do me..if you like bapes and playing twister while watchin arika on repart for 13 hours no more no less than look over to the person next to you..if you don't see them thens its prolly you...



this is for my block niggas


and my shook at nighttime(but not in the day)in a hood that don't belong to them ass niggas that keep it real, shouts out to pahrreal(YES SIR!)


..you prolly wondering why im not with my girl right now, well shes went out to skatboard, im bout to meet her at that park in 10 so i got some time to chop it up with you niggas cause im down to earth like that..oh yeah thats reminds me, im doin a new track on "the cool"(what i am and your not) with aseop rock, i never met a really nigga in my life that dude is a living breathing warhal that finds poors broke graff writers and turn them into aids cases with the aid of mouth kissin


shout out to lil weezy


well ima go now my vegi hot pocket is done..thank good for tufo


yall keep it 100%


FIRST AND FIFTEEN... YESUM!

dats right and ima be up in here for a minute
and i aint goin nowhere
and im using dat phone
and ima have my lil snacks and all dat wit me
and i dare a nigga go in my locka cause yo IM NOT PLAYIN WIT YALL NIGGAS MAN(c)

  

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rosie ruiz
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83. "ALSO"
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i hate discussing albums in terms of what is "classic" because honestly i think that term is used to loosely. i would rather people discuss albums in their own context and critique them by their own merit and not on whether other people deem it "classic" or not. in other words just saying "such and such album is a classic" and that's it isn't good enough but a lot of people seem content in discussing albums on those terms. there ARE classic hip hop albums b.u.t. there has to be room for disagreement and discussion.

  

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85. "i DO NOT like al green."
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his voice sounds like he has a nasal problem.



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NIBECK37
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110. "RE: i DO NOT like al green."
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Every artist/fan is entitled to their own opinion. These mofos are just as human as you or your peoples. But, hearing that Lupe has no interest in hearing MM is the problem. I could care less that he hasn't heard it. Shit, half the people I know (not from the South) haven't heard Comin' Out Hard--their loss--I still wouldn't question their validity as being a true Hip-Hop head...It just makes it hard to argue with the crowd that has no interest in hearing Food & Liquor. Ya dig?

  

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ScooterBj
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311. "RE: i DO NOT like al green."
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SHAME ON YOU!!!!! Nah, I won't hate on you because you don't like Al. Al isn't for everyone. It took me a while to get into Al Green, P-Funk, and EW&F. I didn't really start listening to them until I went to college (damn, has it been 10 years?).

It is amazing that I didn't start getting into the music that my parents love until I hit adulthood. Now, I can't live without the ish.

Here's my list:
1. I absolutely despise Dipset! If I could, I would kick Jim Jones & Camron's a** for coming out with that bullsh*t.
2. I didn't own a PE CD until about a year ago. Now, I can't live without.
3. Pac and Biggie are both overrated. There is only so much I can stand from the both of them.
4. Tribe, De La, the Roots and Little Brother are my favorite. Right now that is pretty much my ipod as far as hip-hop.
5. And, though I am a HUGE fan of the Wu...they fell off HARD!!!!

  

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moyo
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328. "i DO NOT like al green."
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i had a professor and we was talking about this chick i was dying in love with, she had a boyfriend so all i could be was her side action. at some point it came up that i was listening to a lot of al. he was like "son don't do that a pretty girl you can't have and al will drive you crazy". now i dare you to be heart broken and listen to al on repeat. do it and you will understand, but it will hurt like a muug.

  

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89. "4"
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1. Both "Black on Both Sides" and "Reflection Eternal" were major disappointments when they first dropped.

2. I prefer hearing Pharrell or Missy Elliott rap more than almost every single MC nowadays. Style over substance 10 times out of 10.

3. I haven't bought a Nas album since "It Was Written," and have no regrets about that at all.

4. Both Gorillaz albums sucked, and production by Danger Mouse and Dan the Automator is underwhelming in general.

  

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rosie ruiz
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93. "i loved black on both sides and reflection eternal when they dropped"
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not so much so now
and listening back, talib was never that great of an emcee
i think i was enamored by his subject matter back then.

i was just discussing this with my brother.

  

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363. "what the..."
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Street Disciple
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91. "Cormega spits his raps like a 12 year old n/m"
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www.myspace.com/jayehlmusic

  

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103. "agreed"
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<-- exits a post like...

  

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rosie ruiz
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116. "no bullshit"
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shyheim has a "youthful" flow too but cormega sounds like he can barely read what he writes
i mean of course he can read it cuz he writes it but that's how he sounds..

  

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125. "He writes well enough, but his delivery is pathetic"
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Baron_Davis
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94. "i see you tryin' to get your buildingblock on"
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this ain't no new shit you're doin'...postin' unpopular opinions is what i been doin', and it ain't shockin'
but i'll play along

1. midnight marauders is wack
i been sayin' and postin' this...it's tribes walkin' with a panther...it came out at the wrong time..ny was gettin' hardcore, the west was risin', and wu was takin' storm...tribe's soft beats and whimsical rhymes really had no place in that climate

2. the ownerz sucked
the beats were lazy, and so what if premo dropped out the hihat and everybody followed? cool technique, but it ain't help guru's lazy rhymes, and primo's un what the fuck was that samples he used
shit was a monotonous listen

3. krs one debut was a better debut than rakim.
krs had more styles and better songs
rakim just had mystery on his side which made him seem more interestin'...not to take away from ra, but after pif, all his lps went downhill, save for that brief climb with let the rhythm hit em

  

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rosie ruiz
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96. "i had to unrawkusify myself"
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while rawkus was responsible for releasing the album that re-enlightened me in the art of spitting a message
the neo-backpacker stance that talib an nem are running from now
almost ruined my lyrical perspective

  

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Vizionz28
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101. "I can't listen to Donuts"
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I don't see what's so genius about it and it doesn't hold my attention at all.

I agree with msot of the Lupe "hate". Food and Liquor isn't the classic/near classic that most people make it out to be. It's solid but that's about it.

  

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howisya
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104. "why does F&L have to be a "classic"?"
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it's one of my favorite albums of the year (easily top 10) and a breath of fresh air. it's stayed in my car for months. that's enough for me. it doesn't have to be a classic, "solid" is enough when it's this solid.

as for 'donuts' try listening to it as a wild ride through different times and styles of music guided by the spirit of dilla.

  

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275. "I never said F&L had to be classic"
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but alot of people have hailed it as such. I agree that solid is enough, but it just doesn't do anything for me. I'm still able to recognize it as good music.

I'm a fan of different times and styles of music, but Donuts just isn't for me. I enjoy most of Dilla's music, but Donuts just sits on the shelf/hard drive.

We all have our opinions.

  

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106. "2pac was overrated, Big nor Rakim were 'the best' LL lost his"
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battles. LL didn't end anyone's career. Jill Scott blows erykah AND Mary J out of the water. Musiq is a good singer. dj jazzy jeff and the fresh prince are the best hip hop duo of all times. the love below was some shit my 7 year old daughter could do, and dre got y'all negroes drinking kool aid.

lauryn is a better rhymer than she is singer, and had no business making a cd where she played the guitar cause she was an amateur in that arena.



  

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109. "1. nas has never really impressed me..."
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...i mean... i appreciate "illmatic"... fine.

...but, really. he ain't done shit that's really interested me since then. he's seemed like an underachieving student to me. streets disciple was fucking awful. i still maintain that if nas were to do more songs like 'doo rags', then we'd have something.


2. most of your favorite albums from the nineties weren't as good as camp lo's "uptown saturday night"... flows, beats, artistry... it's all there and you just didn't realize it 'cause you're not clever enough to decipher what they're saying.

3. jay-z is only ranked as one of the top emcees of all time through THE POWER OF SUGGESTION. he's just been TELLING us he's one of the greatest, when, really, all he's been doing is selling himself.



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Street Disciple
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122. "Streets Disciple was not awful...best album after illmatic"
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I'm actually happy you said this, because that is the album heads just love to hate...and it's silly really. And when I say it's his best album after illmatic, I say that because in my opinion it has less skipper to good song ratio(lol...and Lost Tapes doesn't count). I realize heads were expecting him to go hardbody on that album, and come on some lyrical savant shit, but that's not what its about.

1. Beats are not wack. Not mind-blowing, but they are all good for the most part, minus Suicide Bounce...and maybe 'Bridging the Gap'

2. Lyrically? Yeh his flow is on point. Not so much the punch line/metaphor/hidden meaning depedent type shit, but more of a Lost Tapes 'these are my thoughts' vibe. Cool shit.

3. Topics. Heads always complaining about the get married tracks. So what? Those tracks are dope as fuck for what they are. Had him flowin' with maxwell, spittin on some kool & the gang shit. gully.

I forget whatever criticisms come in on this album, and I'm sure I'm going to catch flames for saying all this, but I realize y'all are just behind. Call me bias for my username(even though its really not about the album). but this album is definitely not wack. it might not be your opinion of dope or classic, but it is NOT wack.

www.myspace.com/jayehlmusic

  

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386. "RE: 1. nas has never really impressed me..."
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>2. most of your favorite albums from the nineties weren't as
>good as camp lo's "uptown saturday night"... flows, beats,
>artistry... it's all there and you just didn't realize it
>'cause you're not clever enough to decipher what they're
>saying.


how true you are...I gotz much love for the tremendously slept on Camp Lo - and you did say most, not all. (you have to clarify for OKP or they'll tear you a new one. good job)

  

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387. "RE: 1. nas has never really impressed me..."
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>2. most of your favorite albums from the nineties weren't as
>good as camp lo's "uptown saturday night"... flows, beats,
>artistry... it's all there and you just didn't realize it
>'cause you're not clever enough to decipher what they're
>saying.


how true you are...I gotz much love for the tremendously slept on Camp Lo - and you did say most, not all. (you have to clarify for OKP or they'll tear you a new one. good job)

  

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113. "TUPAC SUCKS ABSOLUTE, OVERRATED ASS. SUUUCKS ASS."
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and yes, im a westcoaster.



and no, he never impressed me.
i didnt get it then
i didnt get it when he died
and i dont get it now.

then after he died
everyone wanted to cop his 'gangsta' steeze.
which is why hip hop is bullshit as it is.


i do NOT own any tupac albums.
dont think i ever will.




Lupe™ me all you want
but i JUST DONT LIKE HIS ASS.

thats it.



*edit*
also, the lesson has imploded on its own hatefulness to become absolute bullshit now.

the hate yall showed lupe is why Okayplayers cant get nothin, and Okayartists dont wanna talk to your hateful, crazy asses.



thats it.
serious.

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Morehouse
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256. "you don't like him...or his music?"
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if you don't like him..."who" is it that you don't like? b/c unless you knew "him" that seems to have little foundation, of course, if that's what you meant...

and for his music...

well, to say he sucked...that's interesting...who is that you like?


have you listened to any of his music beyond a radio/video hit?
if so, ok...

but if not, again, what is it about pac or his music that sucks...


and,

all rappers are either overrated or underrated depending on exposure...

he and biggie were very overrated, and their deaths heightened it.


i believe ALL EYEZ ON ME is an album anyone that loves "rap music" should take one listen to all the way through.



but yeah, just wanted more insight into your sentiment.

  

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Boy Wonder
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364. "yup"
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>*edit*
>also, the lesson has imploded on its own hatefulness to become
>absolute bullshit now.
>
>the hate yall showed lupe is why Okayplayers cant get nothin,
>and Okayartists dont wanna talk to your hateful, crazy asses.
>
>
>
>thats it.
>serious.

I'm sure the web laughs at this forum sometimes
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Baron_Davis
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114. "actually, nas and large made a better combo than nas & preem"
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jay and just blaze made a better combo than jay and preem

jeru and preem made a better combo than guru and preem

the best beats preem ever did was on group home and krs one's lps

stray bullet by organized konfusion coulda been doper if the beat was better than that wind parade knock off they used

i really didn't like gangstarr until dwyck dropped...primo's beats were just cool to me before that

  

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Street Disciple
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123. "i cant get with that"
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www.myspace.com/jayehlmusic

  

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Legend Slayer
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118. "Elzhi is ill but you niggas over do it"
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like how u did with lupe

im just waiting for u niggas to turn on son when his album drops

  

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Baron_Davis
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119. "1. i never listened to do you want more!!??"
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like i've only heard the singles and what they got the video for
and a few beatminer remixes
and no, i don't ever plan to go back and listen to it
to me, the roots started with things fall apart
organix? i refuse to acknowledge that exists
i think i downloaded it but never listened to it

2. i think the hip hop songs that used a sample are actually better than most of the songs they sampled, the exceptions are: anything by james brown, pfunk, and any joint you can throw on from the seventies that can rock a bbq or house jam...i'm mostly talkin' about those jazzy and obscure rock sampled joints

3. i really think the majority of people who post here, save for a few, are totally clueless and just fishin' to find their musical identity
me, i'm sure in mine

  

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164. "RE: 1. i never listened to do you want more!!??"
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aka "i'm a music ignoramus" on the first 2 counts, and "i'm an egomaniac" on the 3rd. FOH.

  

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rosie ruiz
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121. "i can't stand saigon OR papoose."
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and according to most these are the cats coming to save hip hop...

  

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127. "c/s on papoose, but you need to clean out your ears on Saigon"
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That dude IS the future. Have you heard Desperado? Shit I first hearc him ona song called Contraband and was blown away.

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rosie ruiz
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132. "i have heard almost everything saigon has put out and i don't"
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deny his talent. he's nice. i just can't stand dude
it's a little unfair
i'm from and live in the town he's originally from
(he reps brooklyn but he's from spring valley; he calls it mooseknuckle...no on in spring valley calls it that)
and his overall corniness makes it really hard for me to be a fan
that and he's overrated
he's good but this hip hop savior's business i'm not buying it.

  

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373. "Spring Valley sounds soft"
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but if you say you're from Mooseknuckle one automatically think it's a bad area. cats on the corner with hammers bats 24/7.

>deny his talent. he's nice. i just can't stand dude
>it's a little unfair
>i'm from and live in the town he's originally from
>(he reps brooklyn but he's from spring valley; he calls it
>mooseknuckle...no on in spring valley calls it that)
>and his overall corniness makes it really hard for me to be a
>fan
>that and he's overrated
>he's good but this hip hop savior's business i'm not buying
>it.

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Street Disciple
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137. "hype is unnecessary, does more damage than good to label anyone as 'the ..."
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because then you are bound for dissapointment. Papoose is cool, but after you catch his vibe--ain't nothing new happenin'. Saigon is dope though, I won't say that I'm excited for his debut, but I'm definitely interested. But that epic feeling in an artist is not in either of them, so kill the hype yall.

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rosie ruiz
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139. "yea that's what really kills it for me"
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and papoose needs to slow down witht he mixtapes
by the time niggas hear his album (and don't hear nothing new) they're gonna be UPSET
Sai is lucky he got Just Blaze with him so his album
is more than likely gonna be good
i just don't check for dude because of reasons previously stated
(i don't like him as a person)

  

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142. "Why can'tu seperate your dislike of Saigon the person, from his music"
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Coz now you're listening with a prejudiced ear.

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rosie ruiz
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158. "don't ask me why lol it's an emotional reaction that i don't have"
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too much control over
like i said i can recognize nice shit when i hear it
and i give props where they're due
i just don't check for the nigga like everyone else does

i mean i've met dude, copped one of his first mixtapes and didn't like it
he's gotten TREMENDOUSLY better over the course of the past few years
and i don't hate on the brother
i just don't like him
and i can understand why he doesn't rep spring valley
'cause nobody here likes him lol but that's neither here nor there

i'm just not on the bandwagon of thinking he's gonna save hip hop
like everybody else
he and papoose i believe are really overhyped

  

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220. "damn hes from spring valley????????"
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..i never knew he was a rockland motherfucker

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274. "you'd never know since he calls the shit "MOOSEKNUCKLE""
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the fuck is a mooseknuckle? i don't know
nobody here calls spring valley or rockland "Mooseknuckle"

  

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292. "pete rock used to just shout out spring valley on tracks too.."
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...what was that spot out there?? i went there a few times in like 93 or 94

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310. "word he used to live around my way. he moved though"
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my cousin once him and his friend sat outside his house playing their beats mad loud. pete came out and was like "my wife said yall gotta move" lol so they left

but yea i think the club you're talking about is The Silouette
same club that ran wendy williams outta town!
she used to host the hot 97 sponsered part there every saturday
one day she came out the spot and her car was TRASHED

that was back when niggas really hated her
around 95, 96

  

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322. "hahahaha.. i heard that wendy williams story too man..."
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...thats hilarious ..thanks for verifying that ..yea funny how wendy williams got back on the air as if she was always cool ..she was VERY hated back then in hip hop

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332. "You from Rockland too, SP?!"
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Haverstraw represent!



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371. "nah man.. lower westchester.."
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221. "these 2 cats would be below average in the 90s......"
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...but in 2007 they are supposed to be some kind of saviors??? they both got a decent song or two ... but ehh

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317. "Saigon and Papoose will both go wood."
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Noone outside of N.Y. wants to hear those boring flows. They have no personality. Without that, you have no chance at generating excitement about your project.

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126. "1. andre 3000 is not the best rapper/lyricist in the south"
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i wish people would stop sayin' that shit
not to take nothin' from dude, cuz he is nice, but i never liked his cadence nor voice and can't get past that
to me, ludacris, ti, and bun b are much more engagin' and lyrical mcs

2. if preemo did your whole first or second lp, then anything else is a step backwards...i listened to jeru's divine design, and heroez 4 hire, and while he still got the mc in him, his beats were ass...he need to grovel and make up and get back on a premo beat...same with guru

3. to make good music, an mc and producer need to be poor and hungry
cuz once they get wealthy, their sound and message deteriorates

  

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365. "3rd point makes sense"
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_____________________________
patiently waiting for the Pumpkins to come back...

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128. "Ninth Wonder doesn't impress me"
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I aint saying he sucks but I find his stuff mediocre. Never understood the love he gets around here

  

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134. "He doesn't impress anybody"
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159. "i was just discussing this with my brother too"
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mediocre is a good word to use here

  

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163. "AT ALL..."
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never did. He sounds like a novice who got good at choppin.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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130. "wow... you're so against the grain ?uest"
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i'm in awe of your totally blasphemous statements.

you don't have to prove anything, so why bother?

whatever...

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rorschach
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133. "Resurrection is dated and Electric Circus is still ahead of its time."
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Seriously...

Give Electric Circus another listen.



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rorschach
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135. "I have no interest in hearing Posdunos."
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"Being the bigger man is overrated." -- Huey (The Boondocks)

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Baron_Davis
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136. "1. wutang may have been a fluke"
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either that, or all that dough comin' in changed them and changed their steez
i think ghost is the only one who kept it real after all the years and albums
but the fire that was in rza on that first lp? naw...he started to believe his own hype and couldn't match it
wutang forever ain't a bad album, but it coulda been better if he used them dusty soul samples again
but ghost was the star of that joint

2. psa is a better prod-" i mean "arranged" song than stay real
3. pete rock was only dope on mecca and the soul brothers
tricks on beat machines to get sample time does not translate into dopeness
he's only as dope as the shit he samples, not his techniques

  

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138. "Cam'ron's wordplay has no equal."
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"Being the bigger man is overrated." -- Huey (The Boondocks)

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145. "dare to be different"
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watch noone propose an equal too.

but cams garbage, right?

http://www.tumblr.com/blog/violinsinhiphop

  

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147. "I never said he WASN'T garbage. But his wordplay IS superior."
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"Being the bigger man is overrated." -- Huey (The Boondocks)

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157. "Actually, noone responded because it's just stupid"
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Hell, Cam doesn't even have a "Failure" (Yeah by Lupe ironically) in his catalog. THATS what you call wordplay.

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192. "Oh get the hell outta here..."
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Don't get me wrong, Lupe has some serious wordplay skills but Cam's always sounded more natural.

You're prolly comparing lyrics and you refuse to note that I said I didn't care for Cam'ron's lyrics at all. But Cam'ron puts his words together so well that you'd just be hating if you said he didn't. Have you even heard Purple Haze?



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305. "check out that resurrection album"
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wow. i still post on message boards. lol.

  

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140. "NY State Of Mind II is a million times better than part one."
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306. "am i the only one that thought some of the bars on NYSOM 2 were..."
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...Jay influenced.

particularly referring to the 'mama shoulda cuffed me to the radiator' couplet.
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338. "i don't hear it."
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144. "Best Produced Rap Albums: Paul's Boutique and Fear of a Black Planet."
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And that's it.

  

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146. "till this day, i don't know how paul's boutique is doper than"
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licensed to ill
i've tried to listen to paul's boutique all the way through
and to me, it's just wack

  

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149. "IMO, it's the production."
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You couldn't make an album like Paul's Boutique is this day and time. It would cost far too much.



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179. "and it's still not that great."
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190. "check your head's better than both of em"
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but i like Paul's Boutique more than Licensed to Ill... a lot more.

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148. "simple...Lupe doesn't have a older brother"
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i'm probably the same age as dude, and i can appreciate atcq as much as the next 30 year old cuz my older bro always hip me to shit. i was listening to hammer and vanilla till i was listening to doggystyle and low end theory.

unpopular opinions:

1. midwest runs rap - eminem, bonethugs, twista, lupe, kanye, nelly...and if we can talk nelly. name a rapper with no affiliation(jay-z/kanye, em/dre, 50/dre and em, luda/face defjam) thats a top seller.
2. lauryn is/was the best female mc.
3. east coast rap now sucks because everyone wants to be jay-z
4. the south been hot since the 90s. nothing new, its just that nyc finally got slow on something....

  

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150. "I love how someone just made a post the same as this"
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And he barely got any replies, but no ?uest comes on and posts and theres like triple digit replies within hours lol

  

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152. "I wish he'd post a "Is Hip-Hop Dead" so we can get a good discussion sta..."
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I tried to last week but no one replied.


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173. "Groupies are everywhere"
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.

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(HIP HOP)
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151. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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>1. I personally feel that 2pac was NOT a dope MC. i felt he
>was a great PERFORMER and actor and had PASSION and FIRE. but
>i always dismissed him as "post chuck d". and not until Bishop
>did people mix the two. i feel people love "Bishop" and
>mistake it for 2pac.--
>and what's even realer is i copped all his shit and at the
>very least? i respect his Mc REN period on that "Panther
>Power" jawn. But never has his "MC" prowess ever moved me a
>mountain.
>
Thank You
>
>2. Just because you craft a beat DOES NOT MAKE YOU PRODUCER.
>that makes you AN ARRANGER. read records for the 70's and
>80s....Rod Temperton was the "rhythm arranger" for Rock With
>You---i mean cats were crazy on that credit shit "vocal
>arranger", "string arranger", etc...
>
>like if Rock With You were made in today's climate Rod woulda
>been named "producer" cause he "made the beat"---he flew to
>la, quincy told him "instruct the cats" and then he leaves.
>
>that is called Arranging.
>
>so once you man the WHOLE situation--realize the chorus is
>half baked and bring in a spin doctor, see the mix is fucked
>and spin doctor it, see the whole project through THAT is
>producing
>
>not just making beats.

THANK YOU!!!
>

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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154. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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I respect hip-hop and i dont know one word of MF Doom and truthfully dont have the interest to go and find out...

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285. "^^ somebody Lupe me"
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156. "radiohead lyrics can be really shitty"
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mmm food is way better than operation doom

i like the beatitful struggle and duck down

the ish that johnny cash put out was about >>>> muddy waters

gift of gab doesnt do it for me live and he rap flow seems non-rhythmic to me

pegado al teclado

  

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166. "radiohead lyrics aren't shitty, you just don't get them"
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whether that's a "can't" or "won't" only you would know, but they're not easy to get.

i'm not dissing you though b/c i've been admiring your avatar for weeks/months!

  

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160. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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i cannot stand th fugees

-Magneto-

"go beat off to your justin timberlake poster, homo"

  

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161. ":("
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:(


  

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162. "The Black Album was EXTREMELY overrated"
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It was better than kingdom come and the bluepring 2.0 . But without the accapellas and 3 zillion people making their own version of the album, it wouldn't get nearly the amount of love it does.

Big L (RIP) gets waaaay too much love. He was dope but definitely a one trick pony.

I think Talib Kweli's "success" is soley a product of his affiliation and he has made the most out of his average talent than the majority of artist out there.

  

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281. "about the Black Album"
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it took the 9th Wonder remixes for The Doc to truly appreciate it...

which told The Doc that beat selection on the original (esp. "Moment of Clarity" wasn't up to par).

  

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165. "Cam'ron is a pioneer. EPMD is whatever. West Coast gansta rap<East"
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Coast gansta rap. 99.9 percent of mainstream rappers right now are jacking Biggie and Jay. Jigga is ahead of his time, but hella shallow. Nas is THE best. De La Soul are the most creative hip hop group ever.

  

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167. "lord jesus in a lexus jeep. smh /nm/"
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169. "Hip-Hop concerts bore me"
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...I need instruments.

Reasonable Doubt was okay.

Life After Death didn't interest me initially, and its still only "okay" to me.

God Son is the only non-Illmatic Nas album I can appreciate fully (except Zone Out of course).

I bought Kid A, listened once, and that's enough Radiohead for me.

As much as I loved PE growing up, I don't listen to them anymore for fear that I might find it lame.

I like Lethal Injection just as much as I like AmeriKKKas Most.

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182. "White people suck at doing hip-hop music."
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True story.

Aside from like three or four dudes, caucasians should all stop rapping. They sound corny. I guess they're ok behind the boards though.

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183. "i never liked Planet Rock.."
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... "spoonin rap" "the message" and "rappers delight" i thought was the shits ..but planet rock i thought was stupid & annoying ..granted i was only 6 or 7 when it came out and wasnt going to parties or clubs ..i always had respect for Afrika Bambaataa and thr Zulu Nation, but even today Planet rock aint my shit at all..

most cats should want to slap me for this but fuck it.. im bein honest..

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199. "what about Looking For The Perfect Beat?"
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i think that one is even better than Planet Rock

  

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207. "nah.. i just never liked the electro funk shit..."
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...i never liked house music or freestyle either ..the joint called "zulu throwdown" i liked ..but yea, i never was into that sound ..really, when run-dmc, fat boys & ll came out i got more interested in hip hop ..THEN when i heard "the show" w/doug e fresh & ricky d i fell in love with hip hop ..the love got deep when i first heard beats by MARLEY MARL (the bridge blew my mind as a 11 year at the roller rink) then BIZ, PE & BDP... JBs & De LA and on and on and on...

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Sinse Smoka
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184. "I didn't cop Midnite Marauders still '01"
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still something that needs to be done for anyone who listens to hip-hop. Lupe's post bothered me (don't kno if that's the right word) in the sense that he's someone whose probably considered a "backpack" or whatever type hip-hop artist or at least presented to us as something like that & it just goes to show the true lack of culture that a lot of these new artists have. This dude's so frustrated & confused w/hip-hop he's throwing cds out the car, I mean there's a lot of shit I'd throw out of the car too but those albums would never end up in my possession to begin w/because I dig for all the classics instead of trying to stay so current all the time. Like Midnight Marauders is not fuckin oldies, that kind of shit is timeless

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Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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200. "i agree with you"
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i think lupe is either putting on an act/show or is really confused and needs some help. the whole "i'm about to start album #2 out of 3" bothers me, too. is hip-hop just a get rich quick scheme for him? why does he have such disregard for it? i know he acknowledges favorite rappers and rap albums from the '90s to present but something about him gives me the vibe that he doesn't quite gel with the genre (and i don't just mean in the lyrical sense, a la his song "hurt me soul"), even though he's incredibly dope IMO.

  

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185. "I didn't cop Midnite Marauders til '01"
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still something that needs to be done for anyone who listens to hip-hop. Lupe's post bothered me (don't kno if that's the right word) in the sense that he's someone whose probably considered a "backpack" or whatever type hip-hop artist or at least presented to us as something like that & it just goes to show the true lack of culture that a lot of these new artists have. This dude's so frustrated & confused w/hip-hop he's throwing cds out the car, I mean there's a lot of shit I'd throw out of the car too but those albums would never end up in my possession to begin w/because I dig for all the classics instead of trying to stay so current all the time. Like Midnight Marauders is not fuckin oldies, that kind of shit is timeless

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Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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187. "IWW>ILLMATIC. U ALL KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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stop lying bitchez!!!!

better lyrics, more cohesive, better storytelling... Illmatic had the more classic beats, but IWW was BETTER MUSICALLY.

allrite now.

and no, dont ask me what's better than IWW then cause i dont know. all i DO know is that IWW>Illmatic... if not ">>".

and nas has never been doper. b4 OR since.

EDIT: Oh, and LWFC>>>ODIWAMS>EC>Resurrection>Be>the other one.

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252. "RE: IWW>ILLMATIC. U ALL KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Most cats out here on the west didnt like Nas till It Was Wriiten...

...and EVERYBODY fucked wit Wu-Tang heavy when they came out...I used to catch them niggas inthe fox hills mall all the time...lol...

...and the Purple Tape is the second Best hiphop album of all time...

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191. "I have never heard Midnite Marauders either......"
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and dont really have much interest in hearing it...

buy only cuz Low End is one of my fav cds of all time & I dont think MM can follow it up properly.

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205. "....how would you know that if you dont listen?"
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that's like saying....I got some good pussy once and it was so good, I dont wanna ruin the memory of it by getting some new pussy. Uhhh....WTF?!

That new pussy might be better. Might be just as good. Might be wack.

But to just disregard it cause you think it couldn't possibly be as good or better is just, well.....silly.

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216. "heres a bad example...."
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I was an Em fan. Love Marshal LP & the Em Show. Then enchore came out.... and was WACK. Now I dont enjoy the previous 2 as much cuz it just reminds me how hard he fell off and the wasted potential.

Kinda like the hardcore MJ fans who refused to watch him with the wiz.

But your right its silly... but so is a ton of things we humans do.

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219. "immo tell you like this...."
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Low end Theory is a VERY dope, classic record, no doubt.

MM is just as good. Believe me when I tell you. It's just as good.

In my opinon, a tad better, but hey, to each his own....

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276. "It's pretty much accepted as fact..."
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...that Midnight Marauders and Low End Theory are pretty much neck and neck.

And it was like that from the moment MM dropped.

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198. "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is overrated"
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now i just entered double dog dare territory.
i love the shit, but people go overboard with it.
Ironman and Liquid Swords are better.

hmm, this is a good liberating post.

i like Michael Jackson more than Prince.
i think Peoples Instinctive is better than Low End and MM.
Like Water For Chocolate is Common's best album.
i like Stakes Is High better than De La Soul Is Dead.
agree with everything Quest said about Pac (although
a lot of us have voiced that. i see how Quest being in the biz
makes it a bigger deal to admit though. Mos Def said the
same thing, about how he didn't fuck with Pac until after
he died).

i think Skillz 'wrap up' is mad corny and sort of pathetic.

fuck dipset

i like some of Dre's shit, but overall i think he's a phony.
anything good by NWA was accidental.

De La Soul is the only hip-hop group that can steal a live show from The Roots.
i didn't think that was possible until i saw them perform together and De La
killed it making The Roots set forgetful. This stood out since The Roots usually
back the groups they play with. But De La were like 'na, we got this.'

that being said i must admit to spending probably somewhere in the high
hundreds of dollars range on Roots shows over the last 7 or 8 years.

oh and the irony of Will.i.am producing Hip Hop is Dead is amazing.
the black eyed peas have to be one of the biggest sellouts of all time.

the west coast has Heiro, Souls of Mischief and Pharcyde........thats it.
the south is non-existant to me.

Dilla's the GOAT.

Breakdancing is dead.
So is scratching.
Graffit is only alive in Europe and South America.

fam, baggy jeans ain't cool no more.
fam = one of the worst/gayest slang words of all time

go home all you fake Brooklynites.
you don't get to wild out when DJs ask
if Brooklyn's in the house 'cause you moved to
Fort Greene or East Williamsburg 6 months ago
after you graduated from college in the midwest
or wherever the hell you people come from.

Merry Christmas. fuck saying Happy Holidays.

  

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278. "LMFAO"
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>go home all you fake Brooklynites.
>you don't get to wild out when DJs ask
>if Brooklyn's in the house 'cause you moved to
>Fort Greene or East Williamsburg 6 months ago
>after you graduated from college in the midwest
>or wherever the hell you people come from.

I'm a midwesterner now in Brooklyn, and I agree.

Hilarious.


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279. "RE: LMFAO"
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no doubt.
i got love for people that move to nyc,
all i'm sayin' is be easy when the DJ says
'is brooklyn in the house.' feel me?

  

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201. "A real hiphop band would not be mainly traditional instrumentation"
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203. "lmao @ "some real real shit""
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i state my unpopular opinions on music everyday.
the difference is if i hadnt heard a hiphop classic i would shut up about it until i had heard that joint...

think about online debates about rap in chatrooms, messageboards, ect across the internet...
if someone said, yeah ive never heard tribe called quest and i never want to theyd be made fun of, insulted, dismissed & likened to a 12 year old bamma southern fan who wallows in his own ignorance because he doesnt know any better.

the fact its lupe.. mr "i dont like hearing women be called bitches" is just pathetic.

dude basically admitted he started listeneing to rap when the firm came out n shit..

and this is your savior?

  

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208. "Hip Hop/Rap has always just been genre of music to me..."
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and not even a great one...by that I mean it's never seeped into my soul and I've never felt it as much as I have other genres of music. Even from the very beginning (well my beginning) listening to white lines (pops played this to death... never knew why) he basically put me onto rap more than any of my friends, it just never stuck... I've always been more into music with live instruments

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Dr Claw
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209. "The Neptunes. Especially when they were at their 'hottest'."
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Just... explain the appeal to The Doc.
Because when "Superthug" and all of that was out, The Doc had a hard time taking those saying they were coming out with doper shit than RZA, Dilla, Premier, Pete Rock, et al serious.

Even their "classics" are not touching those of the aforementioned.

The Doc has been in "Hoge" mode for the longest regarding them, though he did like portions of the N.E.R.D. joints and selected songs overall.

  

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249. "I can get in on this..."
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I never ever liked the Neptunes... all of their beats I listen to for whoever is featured on it... I feel like a beat is good if you can listen to the instrumental and be straight.... there is not one Neptune instrumental I can listen to (grindin'... ok..one)... but the Neps are at the bottom of my favorites list

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259. "neptunes have ALWAYS been wack.. straight up..."
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..i have no idea how cats can say otherwise ..their early shit was horrid and they havent improved at all ..they are better than swizz beats, but thats not sayin anything

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261. "I've always assosciated the rise of the Neptunes w/the death of hip-hop"
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& that's for real. Only these days, years later, sometimes I like a song & find out the beat was done by the Neptunes & I'm like wow. But that "Neptunes sound," the one that's on ALL their big hit records, seriously killed hip-hop to me. Among other shit but that was the nail in the coffin, first few years of this decade.

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280. "EXACTLY!!!"
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>Only these days, years later, sometimes I like a song & find out
>the beat was done by the Neptunes & I'm like wow.

That's exactly how The Doc feels.


>But that "Neptunes sound," the one that's on ALL
>their big hit records, seriously killed hip-hop to me. Among
>other shit but that was the nail in the coffin, first few
>years of this decade.

Yeah. The worst case of cookie-cuttering in history. And people eat it up, LOL. They've made more interesting shit recently than they did when they were cranking out hits.

  

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312. "neptunes & swizz beats = hip hop murderers"
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210. "In MY MIND is the best album of 2006"
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215. "RE: In MY MIND is the best album of 2006"
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cosign

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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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290. "RE: In MY MIND is the best album of 2006"
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word son!

  

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214. "I can't fuck with P-Funk."
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1) I just don't get the appeal. I've never really liked it. Even though I did see George Clinton and the P-Funk All Stars for free in Atlanta, and it was a dope concert...I was there more as an homage than as a true fan.

Bootsy? He got a few nice ones...
Johnny Guitar Watson? Once again...a few nice ones...

2) It is physically painful listening to Hip Hop Pre Run DMC. I can't really fux with the Treacherous 3 or Funky Four + 1 or Grandmaster Caz or none of them shits. Only person I felt from back then was Melle Mel. Rest of that shit is cool for nostalgia's sake...but I can only take it one track at a time.

3) PM Dawn's "I'll Die Without You" and Dream Warriors "My Definition of a Boombastic Jazz Style" were dope as fuck, and I stand by them to this day.

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Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

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222. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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Things fall apart was the last good roots album...

The Game= best album of 2005 (The Documentary) and 2006 (The Doctors Advocate)...

Snoop Doggs only good album was Doggy Style

B.I.G is not top 5

"The shit baby, los gran mojones"

  

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226. "haven't sat thru any Marvin Gaye albums & don't have interest"
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now, I REEAALLLLY like old classic soul music,--but I don't really like Marvin's voice much at all, it's kinda an annoying tone to me. & His backing music doesn't really do it for me either. There's not really a single song that I've heard that I fully appreciated--& his 2 hits are both pretty cheesy to me as far as I'm concerned...

I've especially tried ta really sit thru "Here My Dear" as I've heard that it's supposed ta be remarkable & his deepest moment. So I've tried acouple times. But I can't do it,--I just end up skipping thru every song like where's the goods?? far too boring musically, uncatchy, bitter & restrained, & there's nothing remarkable concept-wise sounding far as I can tell.
I mean, maybe I also just haven't listened to that much of it though because it doesn't keep me interested... & That's the only whole album I've even tried listening to.

__________
still waiting:
•Killer Mike--16 In The Kitchen
•SA-RA--Black Fuzz
•Jay Electronica--Act II
•3 Stacks solo//Goodie MoB.--Black History//'Kast--10 The Hardway//...
•Madvillain:2//Ghost+DOOM//...
•**** a Detox

  

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227. "Illmatic was Cormega's brainchild even if Nas "wrote" it..."
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say what you will there's no way on earth that type of content came from the same dude who wrote you owe me

http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

"Furthermore, the only high that I am feeling right now is my natural magnificence."-BarTek while face down in an 8-ball.

  

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321. "RE: Illmatic was Cormega's brainchild even if Nas "wrote" it..."
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>say what you will there's no way on earth that type of
>content came from the same dude who wrote you owe me


Wow there has been some way out shit said in here, but this is really jaw dropping. I think a lot of mofos give Cormega too much credit. I dont see how Illmatic is his brain child by any means. But you have the right to state your opinion, regardless of how I feel about it. And there's a good 6 year gap between illmatic and Nas' weak attempt at a pop single.

B.U. Wreck Crew all day.
Screw the rest, we're the best.
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ready to hurl myself thru the hoops of fire/
sippin 80 proof, bullet proof under my attire"-Nas

  

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340. "but illmatic is way different from ANYTHING else nas has ever done"
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http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

"Furthermore, the only high that I am feeling right now is my natural magnificence."-BarTek while face down in an 8-ball.

  

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230. "ok...im going to catch heat for this but i HATE 9th's snare!"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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Monster_Zero
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236. "who doesn't?"
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http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

"Furthermore, the only high that I am feeling right now is my natural magnificence."-BarTek while face down in an 8-ball.

  

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284. "whoever made the default snare sound effect on Fruity Loops?"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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Doc Maestro
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232. "never heard black on both sides."
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sheeeeit

  

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233. "never heard an entire PE album"
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sheeeeit

  

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Doc Maestro
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235. "never heard a whole Roots album pre-Tipping Point"
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sheeeeit

  

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335. "damn."
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http://www.myspace.com/k_o_s_determination

"I'll run circles around you on Music&Eat the Hell outta your Chick's Pussy. I got Gangsta Game&brings the pain. now let me Step in the Name of Love because We Are Happy People baby in the Lesson."- Mistermaxxx

  

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237. "KP's B.I.B.L.E. verse........"
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murked all of Liquid Swords including ALL GZA verses, RZA's production AND the artwork

I cant believe I admited this

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
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368. "it was sick but....you serious?"
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_____________________________
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http://breakbeatproductions.blogspot.com

  

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238. "all ya'll in such a rush to be 'different'...all sound the same."
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background static

a bunch of monkeys chattering to themselves, while the lions roam free in the veranda

pac overrated, right? lol
biggie & nas are lame, right? how left of center you are! wow!
black thought is whats holding the roots back? fucking novel idea!

yet not a 1 of you has so much of an iota of imagination to come up w/ shit new. nothing! forget the drive to actual record it & make other ppl want to buy it

you dickheads have destroyed what was once the only refuge for proud Black geekdom in the entire known universe, very good! youve succeed in making okp look & sound just like SOHH or the messages left after that cockroach Bol publishes one of his stupid ignorant bottom feeding lowest common denom. rants...like FIRST!

everyone wants attention, wants to stand out...not for how smart they are, or how well they can articulate their opinion...but for how many cosigns they get

you small minded little dickheads. damn i wish OKP was members only.

and thats my controversial opinion.


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251. ":("
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>pac overrated, right? lol
>biggie & nas are lame, right? how left of center you are!
>wow!
>black thought is whats holding the roots back? fucking novel
>idea!
>
>yet not a 1 of you has so much of an iota of imagination to
>come up w/ shit new. nothing! forget the drive to actual
>record it & make other ppl want to buy it

dont be so sure...


>you dickheads have destroyed what was once the only refuge for
>proud Black geekdom in the entire known universe, very good!
>youve succeed in making okp look & sound just like SOHH or the
>messages left after that cockroach Bol publishes one of his
>stupid ignorant bottom feeding lowest common denom.
>rants...like FIRST!

the more popular a site gets, the more likely this is to happen

>everyone wants attention, wants to stand out...not for how
>smart they are, or how well they can articulate their
>opinion...but for how many cosigns they get

or who can be the snarkiest. thats what OKP seems to thrive off of

>you small minded little dickheads. damn i wish OKP was members
>only.

*sad face*
*thinks of those jackets from the 80's*



>and thats my controversial opinion.

that not controversial. thats real.



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257. "the realest statements in this post..."
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i've been looking for the words to express my frustration.

you summed it up.



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myself is sculptor of
your body’s idiom:
the musician of your wrists;
the poet who is afraid
only to mistranslate
a rhythm in your hair...
-E.E. Cummings

  

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354. "I'll jump outside the box..."
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Game Theory is overrated, and at times, just flat-out boring (and I've been listening from Organix 'til now). In trying to balance "pushing the envelope" with selling records, neither side is winning. The one album where they actually tried to stretch their limits, everybody shit on. A shame, really. The Roots are a magnificent band, and should be doing more. Unfortunately, they're not. Is Def Jam the problem? Is Black Thought the problem? Those answers, I don't have. I got love for both Tariq and the label, but I have to call it like I see it.

  

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369. "wow"
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*making me think*
_____________________________
patiently waiting for the Pumpkins to come back...

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/b...productions.htm
http://breakbeatproductions.blogspot.com

  

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394. "THANK YOU!"
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"Its a mentality. At some point you gotta just want to want to play the game to win--want to start or revive a legacy." (c) Zorasmoon
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239. "?uestlove you know i got mad love for you"
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and i know im 5 pounds soaking wet...but we must now fight for you talking about common. lol


<---girls in sneakers appreciation
inbox me about your post and die.

  

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240. "Pete Rock & Diamond D. are overrated producers"
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Pete Rock, to me, did nothing moving after '96 and I still don't understand what made "Stunts, Blunts, & Hip Hop" such a dynamic album. Diamond D. hasn't made a moving beat since '96 as well.

  

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262. "Soul Survivor 1 = Pete Rock's best work imo"
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at least the best album completely produced by him

"The Trilateral Commision we dissin
Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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286. "cosign on the *current* Pete Rock"
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it doenst hold a candle to the classics he used to create.

but he's still one of the GOATs for his shit back in the day.

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243. "Late Registration..."
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is one of the best hip hop albums of the last 5 years. It's musically ahead of the pretty much every other hip hop album. People's hate for it has nothing to do with its quality. Kanye's shitty attitude and his decision to call heads out on homophobia turned alot of people around here against him. But put on LR today, it's worthy of the hype.

  

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mrshow
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244. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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People choose to ignore the first 8 years of hip hop's existence. In their minds, hip hop began when the clothes got baggy and the smiles turned into frowns.

If 3 Feet High... came out today, people would call them "fags" and scream that Primo should have produced the whole thing.

  

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mrshow
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245. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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Pharrell can really spit.

  

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speedlaws07
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246. "I like Project Pat..."
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and he's one of the most consistent artists to put an album out this year

under the influence 2k9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuWXCrp-p5M

  

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255. "My 3"
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1. U-God should have been the other co-star on Ironman- not Cappa. Had this happened, U-God would've had his album out in 1997 before RZA became Bobby Digi. And, this, not the shit they pulled with the tour with RAGE is what caused the downfall of the Wu.

2. Common's Electric Circus is better than LWFC and Be combined and should have had that Grammy that Dre and Big Boi received for that garbage they came out with. And Common is an asshole for shitting on this album when I stay defending it to this day cause I know in 15 years, that's the kind of music I wanna be making.

3. A Tribe Called Quest had to die. And Jay-Dee is the one who had to pull the trigger. He seemed like a perfect fit with Tribe, but fuck it, we wanted perfection like what we heard in MM, not some off the wall producer who lays down his drums freehand. Some blame it on their label, some on Tip's ego, but no, Dilla killed Tribe. With that said, ATCQ had to die. Once they died, I turned my attention to those who benefited most from Tribe's death- The Roots with TFA and Comm with LWFC...etc. Once Dilla killed Tribe he breathed life into these cats.

  

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268. "let the preaching commence"
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*enter any random high statistic and you have the percentage of rappers (past and present) who should just shut the fuck up . . .

*rappers who continually allude to the size of their giant-abnormally-fucking-extra large selves need to take that masterbatory shit behind closed doors, because it's making us all blind

*special shout out of shame to all freestyle rappers who think they deserve a public medal for winning the "battle"

most cyphers are embarassingly uncomfortable to witness

*good lyricism is less subjective than what most people claim when defending shitty rappers

*people are ALWAYS influenced by the shit that they put in their heads

yes, that means shitty rap music too.

AND you fuck up when you play that shit in front of little kids without saying shit about it

AND you really fuck up when you use the exuse that it's okay because you were that snot nose once.

*if rap exists because of crack, then fuck them cowboys and give me back lsd, hip-hop would have wormed its way through somehow

*fuckers are really afraid to say jazz is near-dead because most rappers could give a fuck about anything that isn't their crotch or at least on it

*ambition is a mutherfucker when it comes to hip-hop

*female rappers need to step up and slap these male prostitutes in the the rap industry

*rappers who continue with the misogyny >>>>>>>>>> the "bitch" has reversed on you and always will

  

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Sinse Smoka
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263. "Atmosphere, Murs, & a few of the other popular 'indie' cats suck"
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Seriously so far from the original concept of coming up with fresh sounding beats & rhymes. Kids years ago who were like fuck all that mainstream rap they play on MTV would say listen to KRS, Mos Def, or The Roots, today they're like yo check out Atmosphere :/

"The Trilateral Commision we dissin
Tellin citizens be straight, but like snakes they hissin" - Q-Tip

  

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291. "RE: Atmosphere, Murs, & a few of the other popular 'indie' cats suck"
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No man, Murs is that dude. Very very very gifted dude.

  

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299. "no they don't... that is just your opinion"
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they do come up with fresh creative music

  

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277. "I love this post."
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Though not everything is for everyone, there is something for everyone. Let those who want to create create.

  

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L.E.S.
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282. "its ill to see lessonheads cease judgement"
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when all is said and done the albums i listened to most
in '06 were Donuts and Beatkonducta 1 & 2. now what
does that say about rap?

i have the Dilla new era fitted and get mad p-noid
when walking around downtown nyc and mofos
grill me 'cause they know how much its going for
on ebay. whatever, its mostly soft babesta kids
who i'll slap the shit out of,
but still a handful of those colorful mofos might
get some crazy ideas.

i just recently bought Ice Cube's Amerikkkas Most Wanted
because of lessonheads and Quests praise. i never really
fuck with west coast shit and when the Common vs. Cube
debate came up a while back i really didn't know Cube's
catalog enough to debate it. so Tower Records was going
out of business and i picked it up for like 4 bucks.
its dope. he's better than i realized.

also, i've never heard any of Slum Villages albums post
Fantastic Vol 2. for some reason i didnt care and Fan
Vol 2 is one of my favorite albums ever. i guess post
Dilla Slum didn't interest me. i hear the self titled is
good, whatever.

i miss the rawkus era.

O.C. is one of my favorite rappers.

Fat Joe Jealous Ones Envy is one of my favorite albums of all time.

The Cold Vein is the best NY rap album over the last 10 years.

The best and only believable white rapper is Despot.
(check for him - defjux 2007)

Breeze Brewin' is the illest. someone please bless him
with beats and a solo album.

i never believed Lupe from the beginning and my suspicions
seem to have been on point. i did think he had a place in
the market and wasn't hating on him, just thought Food & Liquor
was Sesame Street from day one.

Day One is my anthem. (what can i say, i'm on that uptown D.I.T.C. shit)

Nobody can fuck with Prodigy in his prime.

that being said, and this is the hardest thing for me to admit 'cause
i'm from the Bronx:

The best rappers are from Queens. no other borough or city
can fuck with the level of greatness that Queens MCs have brought.
not Brooklyn, not the BX.

i started listening to rap in 1992. i was 11.
bought mixtapes on st. marks and discovered
Brand Nubian, Special Ed, KRS. so by the time
'94 rolled around i was 13 getting 36 Chambers
and Illmatic and was already a 'head.'

oh yeah, i've never listened to UGK.
one of their joints came on in my boys car
and it was cool. but i've never heard them
besides with Jay.







  

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289. "to you it says..."
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>when all is said and done the albums i listened to most
>in '06 were Donuts and Beatkonducta 1 & 2. now what
>does that say about rap?

...that the rapping aspect of rap music must have taken a decline at some point. to me, it says you didnt dig hard enough to find the dope shit that's still being made, on the lyrics side of things. you mean to tell me out of the hundreds of rap albums that came out this year, they're all weak? i certainly do not think so...lol

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313. "RE: its ill to see lessonheads cease judgement"
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>when all is said and done the albums i listened to most
>in '06 were Donuts and Beatkonducta 1 & 2. now what
>does that say about rap?

word you too???

>i miss the rawkus era.

everyone should.. becasue that era also had the fondle ems, guesswilds, hydra's, makin records etc...

>O.C. is one of my favorite rappers.

fuck yea.. oc is one of the best ever..

>Fat Joe Jealous Ones Envy is one of my favorite albums of all
>time.

shit is fuckin classic in my book.. Joe was spittin fire plus all the beats were dope.. "dedicated" was so ill.. prolific even.. the line "PUFF DADDY... GET THE MILLIONS KID.." little did we know how true that would be..

>The Cold Vein is the best NY rap album over the last 10
>years.

correct


>Breeze Brewin' is the illest. someone please bless him
>with beats and a solo album.

yo he is without a doubt the best mc in the game today.. i really dont give a fuck who disagrees wiht me..

>Day One is my anthem. (what can i say, i'm on that uptown
>D.I.T.C. shit)
>
>Nobody can fuck with Prodigy in his prime.

yes and yes..

>that being said, and this is the hardest thing for me to admit
>'cause
>i'm from the Bronx:
>
>The best rappers are from Queens. no other borough or city
>can fuck with the level of greatness that Queens MCs have
>brought.
>not Brooklyn, not the BX.

word.. im just outside the bx, and gotta agree..

>oh yeah, i've never listened to UGK.
>one of their joints came on in my boys car
>and it was cool. but i've never heard them
>besides with Jay.

u aint missin nothin..

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BarTek
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283. "i never heard amerika's most wanted / any public enemy..."
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hehe..
peace

  

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294. "The bottom line is"
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Everyone has their own musical taste. Everyone has their own opinion. If you're appalled that someone hasn't heard an album that you feel is classic, just kindly say to them "Hey. I really think you should check this out. I think it's a master peice and I'd hate to think that people are missing out on it. If you check it out and you don't dig it, fair enough."

But a lot of people on here are on some "if you don't own this album you are NOT a true hip hop fan and you're an IDIOT if you think you are!" type ish. That's unneccessary. I'm not even gonna call myself a hip hop head. I'm just a person who find a lot of rap music appealing and worthy of spending my money on. I don't care about what album people think I should own. I only care about albums I WANT to own.

  

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309. "RE: The bottom line is"
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^^^AGREED

  

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295. "beats, ryhmes and life>>>>low end theory"
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u ppl have finally made me use the >>>> teqnique. i'm officially as wack as the rest of u (not really;i'm dope)

but yeah, for the stupidest reasons, u ppl discount the greatness of br&l. i don't get it. maybe it's cuz i grew up with tribe since the beginning, and br&l showed the growth of the individual members, and @ the time, br&l directly reflected where i was personally in my own journey... br&l is arguably one of the ~first~ "grown man" albums - right along with atliens. i challenge u to find a more mature offering in hip hop than these two.

secondly, death certificate is the blueprint for most of the modern hip hop classics. iongivafuck what u say, i cannot be moved. DC is the goat.

thirdly, i know i'm supposed to rep for my area, but i think most "southern" hip hop sucks. and i hate to lump all these different regions into that category, bcuz they're all different (ee'n tho the houston ryhme scheme is being heavily bitten, foreal), but as a whole, the new shit is weak. there are flashes of greatness however, even from these watered-down mainstream 'bigs' & 'lils', but most of u wouldn't take the time to hear them. oh yeah, and if it wasn't for scarface, biggie would never have existed.

that's enuff for now
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308. "violent disagreement to the point of loading firearms. lol."
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i like Br&l. i have defended it to the death. 'stressed out' is one of my all time fav tribe joints. but better than low end. um. nah. i disagree. violently. like, if we were in a room together, it'd be an instant caged steel death match. lol.
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339. "u have good taste my dude."
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brown sugar
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297. "im going to listen to illmatic for the first time tomorrow."
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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301. "i just want to say Fuck okp and the tom fuckery they spew..."
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fuck you all mofo's.
merry christmas.
peace

  

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315. "Most rappers are terrible songwriters."
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All the metaphors and multi's are nothing, if it dont mean shit. I listened to Capital Punishment yesterday, and while Pun is one of my favorite MCs..throughout the whole album..a lot of cool shit came out of his mouth, but he didnt really SAY anything. At all.

The Roots need to find a way to translate the energy of their shows into their albums. Cuz to be honest, their albums tend to be wild boring. YES, that includes Illadelph. I have no other criticism towards them, and BT is top 5..but shit their albums need to be a little less coffeeshop.

I can already see Eminem's albums becoming rediculously outdated. The slim shady gimmick worked when it was fresh and new, but that shit is painful to listen to now.

Indie rockers need to get off the idea that the more wierd something is, the better it must be. That said, Return to Cookie Mountain is overrated.

Charisma is a lot more important than yall think. If you don't even sound interested in what your saying, I aint fuckin wit it.

El-P is one of those artists...where you respect what he's doing a whole lot, but the end product just aint the biz. But I guess it's working, since I'm anticipating his new shit despite the fact that Fantastic Damage was unlistenable IMO.

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316. "Agreed."
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Most rap songs have too many words and make too little sense.

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318. "And yet hip hop heads think hip hop is better than other genres"
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when it comes to lyrics. SMH.

  

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320. "You can have as many words as you want.."
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there just has to be a point in saying them. I think "i'm the greatest, let me dazzle you with my wordplay" songs should be kept to a minimum, maybe 3 at the most per album.

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357. "Exactly."
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You can all but very much say content>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lyrics.

  

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323. "DJ Premier could retire tommorrow, and I wouldn't be THAT upset."
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Hip-Hop Is Dead is a much better album than Stillmatic and God's Son, therefore making it in Nas's top 3, right behind Illmatic and IWW.

Producerial greatness depends more than technical ability and imagination w/ flipping samples.

Just Blaze will one day be mentioned w/ the upper echelon of producers.

So will Kanye West.

2006 was a great year for rap music.

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324. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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>2. Just because you craft a beat DOES NOT MAKE YOU PRODUCER.
>that makes you AN ARRANGER.

Say it again.

  

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325. "UGK's Catalog >>> Outkast's Catalog"
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i just could never really get into outkast's material. ATLiens is alright for the first couple of tracks but then I just tune it out.

I will also say that Ridin' Dirty is the best "southern" hip-hop album ever made.

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326. "RE: UGK's Catalog >>> Outkast's Catalog"
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I know where you are coming from. It is hard to get into southernplayalistickcadillacmusick and some early Outkast. For me, ATLiens is awesome. Maybe I could suggest thinking about the time it was released and comparing it to other Southern albums of the time. The fact that they have so many good tracks on there makes me appreciate them so much more. In addition, I have to admit I think it's ironic that those songs are so different from the Southern hits of nowadays. Especially since every modern Southern rapper gives Outkast their well deserved respect, yet I don't really see them taking much from Outkast's style. I know that a lot of smooth Southern songs are around now but Two Dope Boyz in a Cadillac, I think every rapper from the South would give their left nut to put that out tomorrow. Outkast is way ahead of their time.

  

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327. "The Pharcyde deserves a lot more respect than what the currently get."
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329. "1) disco is king"
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i just don't like how most people diss it without giving it a listen. good production, good musicans, good singers, most of the time good lyrics. what more can you ask for?

2)electric circus is far better than love below. i just think the music/production was faaaar better. lyrics up for debate but music naw.

3)big mike (ghetto boys) was completely slept on as a great emcee. and scarface's first album might make you kill somebody, for something stupid, like stepping on your shoe.

some of y'all who don't like stuff most people call classic shouldn't say it is bad or that you have no interest in hearing it. it just doesn't sound smart. like some of my students who are will say they don't like books. lotta times it takes time and you have to be in a certain place. first time i heard (17) jimi hendrix i was like "eh pls turn that down". 4 years later had almost every song available on disc. same with marley i was like 14, "eh it's okay", now well let's just say my tastes have improved.

  

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330. "Ok, her's mine"
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I don't like:

Biggie
Tupac
Jay-Z
Post Fresh prince Will
De La Without Prince Paul 90% of the time
Dirty south music
Lil Jon
50 Cent
G-uni
Post Marshall Mather LP Eminem
Post Behind The Front Black Eyed Peas
Dr. Dre solo record (esp don't like The Chronic)
Snoop Dog post Deep Cover
T.I
Dip Set
Kayne's music
DMX
ant rapped with the prefix of Lil
Jurmane Dupri
Posy Nasty Nas Nas
Outkast albums (some songs are good, but most is bad)
Ice Cube post 1994
Method Man post 1996
Fat Joe

oh, the list can go ON and ON.

  

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342. "^^^ least likely to argue with me in a post"
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..i agree with 98% of what you just said

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334. "i dont see what the big deal about lupe not caring about MM is"
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sometimes not hearing old music can make for BETTER more interesting innovative music
i mean, he could be one of these underground purist MCs who knows every single classic album ever made in hip hop but if his music sucks, his music sucks
lupe isnt a music critic, hes an artist, artists dont necessarily have to know everything that came before them.
it might help him if he did hear it of course, and give his music some depth and more reference points but if his music is good, who cares what hes heard and hasnt heard?
theres a lot of rappers who DO know all the classics but still make shit music

  

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345. "That was the single biggest."
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Overreaction I've witness here on Okayplayer.

The fact that some artists come here to give insight is what makes this spot so great.

  

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337. "Bitches Brew sucks"
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344. "9th wonder said Weezy is the best rapper alive... lets get him!"
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wait..
I kind of agree
Wayne is not THE best
but he is up there

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346. "I think Muscles' posts are damn near retarded"
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348. "Nas and The Fugees put me on to Hip Hop, not Rakim..."
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Run DMC, or any of the artists from the "Golden Age."

It's a generational thing. Doesn't mean that we don't know hip hop.

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349. "Cee-lo has the best male voice in pop music right now nm"
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nm

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352. "But that's only because 95% of them can't sing."
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They can carry a tune somewhat. But singing--no. No. The only male that could even begin to give Ceelo a run for his money is JT.

JT's got that falsetto down. But other then that--nah.



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353. "Argument fell apart here:"
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The
>only male that could even begin to give Ceelo a run for his
>money is JT.
>
>JT's got that falsetto down. But other then that--nah.

Cee-lo's gospel growl is light years ahead of JT's kicked-in-the-nads falsettp (and I like JT).

This just proves that Cee-lo is in his own league right now.

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350. "RE: i DARE you to get your LUPE on in this poast"
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351. "Masta Ace >>>>>>>> 90 percent of rappers out now"
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No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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355. "OutKast has one true classic and two near classics"
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Not the three , four, five, or six classics that people claim they do.
And this is coming from a die-hard.

The once and future Master

  

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358. ""
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That really old school style of rapping where the rhyming word is overemphasized...that, in general, bothers me.

  

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367. "Hmmmm...no one has said anything to make me look sideways.."
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not even quest. I mean, I agree about Tupac. I could fit on one mixtape all of the songs I like by him, and lord knows he got a new album out every other week. I liked his showmanship, but his ability as a real MC is medicore at best.

It's too easy to name Prince, Jay-Z, and Nas as folks you love or hate. I mean really...think beyond that.

I don't like J*Davey. I know folks is feelin' em and Prince bought several albums, whatever. They have a wrong track mixed with a casio keyboard pre-recorded beat that sounds wrong to me. I'm not impressed.

My favorite Common album is One Day It'll All Make Sense. I didn't care for Resurrection either. Nor do I care for Electric Circus. Folks be saying it's ahead of its time. It was ahead of HIS time too. I have a couple of choice favorites from there, but not everything.

I don't own a single Luther Vandross album. I bought a compilation posthumous, but that's it.

Beyonce can't really sing.



That is all.



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372. "I got more..."
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I didn't know who Sean Price was to recently. *shrugs*

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i would have a revolution
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370. "I have far too many"
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I would log off and delete my account if I did all of them

yeah I'm too 'chicken'
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375. "Just wanted to get in before the archive"
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And most rap before 1992 is obsolete

  

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376. "I'm not feeling you on this, ?uest"
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It is important for every musician to know history, especially hip hop( bambattaa would snap, because Zula is still up and moving and educating...cats just dont care anymore).

Cmon, ?quest, quit making dr.smith( lost in space) excuses for lupe. IN this day and age, where we have the internet and all types of gadgets that can wield us information on the drop of a dime...cmon.

I'm not buying it. He works with producers and mcs that are from that area, he should have asked. You don't post dumb shit about one of the most influential groups in hip hop ( and in music...just look at overseas). Shit, you and black thought asses wouldnt be here if it wasnt for TRIBE,and LUpe asses wouldnt be here if it wasnt for you guys ...so , again, cmon.

You of all cats, with your history and knowledge of music should have a zero tolerance for that shit...Point blank, Lupe should have edited, and he should have been a little bit more humble about it.

I'm glad Nas dissed his ass on stage ...aint no excuse.

PS, quit using serato at the clubs, bring your wax nigga.....btw, you're a funky ass drummer , keep doing it with the sticks

  

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Rats Ass
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377. "Mary's first album was some doo doo."
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Damn.

That's seriously all I got.

"Jesus died at age 33. But what he didn't do is forget his niggas." (c) Sir Bumpy of Knuckles

  

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Rats Ass
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378. "Organized Noise had a few good joints."
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"Jesus died at age 33. But what he didn't do is forget his niggas." (c) Sir Bumpy of Knuckles

  

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379. "So it's ok if Prince hated Jimi Hendrix......"
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The Damaja
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380. "Jimi Hendrix isn't very accessable. he's always attracted posers though"
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like if you look at those woodstock concerts from the 60s, and you'll see a thousand dudes conducting electricity, but then you look at their girlfriends standing there in their hippie gowns PRETENDING to be interested and worrying about the arrangement of buttercups and daisies falling out of their hair

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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

*puts emceeing in a box*

  

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ansomble
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381. "I agree on Pac. I thought he was WACK, FAKEST OF ANY GANGSTER."
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How you gonna be a clean kid, background dancer, and all that, start rapping about the thug life and live it so you don't seem suspect?!?!? Am I the only one that can grasp the rediculousness of this shit?!? I support the outspoken voice he contributed, it was LOUD, but he just wasn't that great a rapper, in fact rather BASIC. His mind was a way greater tool when I think of it. He chose the COMPLETELY wrong outlet to let people know the ground-breaking thoughts he was thinking.

Only Pac I liked was his debut verse on the digital underground joint where he wears the African shit in the video, and the song "I Don't Give A Fuck." THAT'S ALL. I think all that other sensationalist bullshit was fuckin dumb.

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Common Sense
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382. "I've never heard Can I Borrow A Dollar."
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Except for when I was recording it. Too painful to listen to.

Yes I Am The Real Common. Straight From The Chi. Support My Movies, Clothes, Books, Charities And New Pet Project: Nobody's Smiling.

  

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383. "J Dilla's old shit = boring new shit = too unorganized"
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In Dilla's history, at least from my perspective, there was an small window where Dilla changed his beat making sound 180 degrees.

The old beats was tight for a while, some ol cool out shit that you could listen to on a lazy afternoon...but that can only go so far.

And what the fuck is "Wlid" on Ruff Draft? Shit makes no sense. The instrumentals I prefer are q-tip's ride and pharcydes drop, which I just assume Dilla did.

Dude just seemed confused about how to approach his beats after a while.

This post could come from a huge break from listening to hip-hop in the last couple of days, and only listening to jazz and funk.

-if i had my way
i would've been a killer
i would have given them
violence, violence
and shotguns shotguns
if i had my way-

  

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385. "Big Pun >>>> Biggie"
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not that this is too far fetched of a statement... but its true... If pun was around I think he easily had potential to go down as the illest hardcore mc ever

also since were on okp... the tipping point is more entertaining game theory... even tho TP got shitted on and Game Theory is touted as some comeback, back to basics revival album in half of its reviews... both good albums either way...

  

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388. "i listened to fantastic vol 2 for the first time yesterday..."
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sad but true

it's really dope though

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389. "I believe Kanye's music is dated.."
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i can't even listen to College Dropout anymore....he makes music for the now.

If somebody told me I had only one hour to live, I’d spend it choking a white man. I’d do it nice and slow."
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Smegmatique
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390. "Jeru the Damaja sucks."
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The Premier beats are great, but I cannot stand Jeru's awkward flow. I think Nas and a bunch of other greats from that era avoided that early-90's dated quality and their albums from that time still sound fresh. "The Sun Rises in the East" does not.

  

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Nate118
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391. "Shoot, I do this on a regular basis"
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My favourites from the past few weeks of mine:

1. The Wallflowers are the best rock band of the past 10 years.
2. Will Smith is top 5, point blank period.

  

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392. "Damn good post"
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"50 Cent is my inspiration! HAHA" - Mos Def

"When I say, 'Where is Hip-Hop?' you say 'HERE!'" - Pharoahe Monch

  

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393. "i didnt like illmatic or reasonable doubt when they first came out"
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was never a bigie fan until after he died. and not really a pac an.

okay the ocntorversy...

prehnology is my favorite roots album

i thought de la sucked until stakes is high and truley loved the chronic when i was 14. why? becasue my brother gave me the tape and his word or hip-hop was gospel at the time. i listened to it before it blew up.

takeover>>>>>ether by a mile.

jay is only the greatest becasue we had been fed theat line suring h build up to the retirement.

although fade to black was entertaining.

grodt was a classic (put on in the club and watch what happens)

oh yeah kanye is probably one of the best mcees out there and better than dilla on the mic.

i do not understand the lil wayne fascination

ti has gotten worse since trap musick but his beats have gotten better.

ti also took advantage of a possible flip backlash from his bubble gum shit (very 50 of him) and left flip int he dust. but flip was right, ti came outfo jail started some bullshit to get a buzz and went to stardom.

wild style was boring.

i never liked dmx's first albums enough to get through them all. his style irritated the hel out of me.

i preferred ja to x. he was more controlled and still spit with aggression....until he hooked up with ashanti.

bleek doesnt suck. he just isn't distinctive enough to warrent special treatment. he is a solid B- mc. can get it down when you need to, but do't expecte him to hold an entire album.





  

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395. "Biggie ain't even in my top 50 m.c.'s...he was novel, at BEST"
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I think he's undiciplined as hell, and he basically babbles. Writing an entire song in ONE SITTING?? Ya'don't say.

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