Rick doesn't get the credit he deserves. The brother was bad.
His debut record had Mary Jane on one side and You and I on the other. That's a pretty major debut. His first album, Come and get it is a classic. The song Hollywood on that album is a really personal account of a brother trying to make it in the big time.

Then Bustin out and Street songs are major classics. Rick always could croon a ballad. He helped bring us Teena Marie and the Mary Jane girls. On the female protege tip he had prince by leeps and bounds at least until Sheila came out.

His last great album and his most slept on is Throwin Down. You turn my head around, happy, and he helped bring the Temps back on the scene with Standing on the top. My love on that album is a real mellow jazz ballad that Rick just kills it on...

The brother was bad. With all this Michael and Prince talk I just wanted to give it up for my man Rick. I remember a time when Rick James was bigger than Michael Jackson and Prince put togethor. I don't know if Prince would admit it, but I know Rick really set the bar for Prince and pushed him to be more brash and creative with his stuff. Rick was the King that Prince wanted to conquer. Just like Rick said that George and Pfunk pushed him to take things to the next level, Rick did the same for prince. He was almost like a combination of Mike and Prince in that he was kind of freaky, very Funky, and could really sing with that Motown influence.

Rick was the man....

if anybody put the nail in funk's coffin, it was him...

you often criticize musicians based on their lifestyles, Coolidge, i wonder what you have to say about Trick...
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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outside of the fact that I meant what I said, this post was like me riding a bike through the boards hitting some bottles togethor saying, AF come out to plaaaaayy.

Corny. The blonde hair in the Glow video and the post Love Gun Rick was corny. the dope and the competition with Prince caught up to him.

But I say this with all the conviction in the world...

I can run 10 songs of Ricks off the top of my head that Michael Jackson could not even come close to...and you know what Rick actually wrote and played instruments on them too....

You and I
Fire and Desire
My Love
Make love to me
Bustin out
Mary Jane
Sucka For your love
Happy
Call me up
Standing on the top

put the nail in funks coffin. Rick was part of a golden era in funk. more tangible and r and b radio friendly than some of PFunk. A very good musician who played with Neil Young and some other cats....

you're saying he's corny because of his image? Funk is more than just image man....

his songs were corny? please. he was, in his prime, a better song writer than Mr. Jackson.

lifestyle? Rick was just throwin down man. He told you in the song how it was "I'm gonna take you to Hollywood. Where you'll be SMOKIN SMOKIN SMOKIN, in other words you're on FIRE. And baby I'm not jokin, I'm gonna take you HIGHER. baby baby.....

i knew you were calling me out... and that's why i came with the reposnse you wanted.

you know i don't share your obsession with people who write all their songs and play their instruments. i don't care about that. i'll take Off the Wall over Trick James' entire oeuvre. (I did like a lot of the MJG shit, though…)
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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But it's not really a testament to the quality of his songs to say he could write better than Michael. Most of the posters in this forum could write better songs than Michael Jackson.

this MJ bashing is jut getting outacontrol... me think me better lef dis yah place, seen?

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I'm sorry, but he never impressed me as a songwriter.

has ANYTHING ever impressed you?

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come on. why is that always your stock response?

y'know... i don't recall ever saying that. are you confusing me with Wendell?

anyway, maybe it was a bit of a no-liner... but i deemed my original response maybe too crass.

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you have said it before. I say I don't like something and you instantly come back with 'Well what DO you like' or something of that ilk. It's silly.

I haven't said it enough for it to be a "stock response"

and the times i have said it have been mostly tongue-in-cheek (i expect you to see that) or an actual, non-rhetorical inquiry

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as of this moment, it is a stock response that I will no longer accept from you. All of this does nothing to change the argumenr that Michael Jackson is not a great songwriter.

is to compile a list of great compositions by Michael Joseph Jackson, but knowing you, I'd just be wasting my way-too-precious time. so for now, I'll play the Burger King and let you have it your way.

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Denied another exercise in pomposity with the great one. How will I ever recover?

is that what you just called me, Ms. Kettle? or did i hear you call me "black"?
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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that should have been "Ms. Pot".

whatever.

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abso-fucking-lutely

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that argument is sooo three hours ago.

AFKAP can't support you forever.

Alek

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liking things man. I remember once you said "I used to sit around and listen to Miles and pretend I liked it until yada yada yada...."

If you like it you like it man. Don't be afraid. You want to fly on the mothership. I know. You're afraid of what people will think. I too was like that. Until I let go. I freed my my and thus you know what followed...

funk is your friend. walk up to it. embrass it. touch it and say. "nice funk nice funk. I love funky music" It won't bite man....

i never said i pretended to liek Miles..

oh. yes... i did. I pretended to understand On the Corner, Agharta and Pangaea. just like everybody else did and does. they're just too scared to admit it. Miles was hustling on those albums… I think they rank right up there with Metal Machine Music and Kid A as far as total contempt for the audience goes…
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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And Prince and Sly Stone weren't corny?

(note that I like all three artists)

>And Prince and Sly Stone weren't
>corny?
>

they were, but Trick was a straight-up cartoon. the MC Hammer of funk.

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Anachronism much?

>Anachronism much?

you get the idea.

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Cartoon???

He was freaky deaky. More masculine. He was the freak. The party all the time man.

I wouldn't say that calling him the MC Hammer of funk is a total put down. Hammer took rap places it hadn't been before. In the big picture, hip hop was better off because we had a Hammer. I would disagree with the comparison though in the fact that Hammer's main thing was dancing and entertainment value where as Rick's was freaky funk and the party image. the music was more valid with Rick. Plus the horns man. The horns. You can't forget the Horns....

Rick was a powerful balladier.

Af you need to send me your mailing address. In hopes that you have a VCR I need to make you a video tape of some Live on stage Funky manifestations....

yeah... the back cover of Street Songs was WAY masculine!

MC Hammer may have made some commercial strides for hip-hop and made it more viable as a form of American pop music. I'll give him that. whether or not I consider that a good thing is a different matter altogether.

and, to be honest, Trick's horn charts must be the thing I hate most about his music.

and that "freakiness?" tired.
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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I meant masculine compared to Prince and Michael...

touche on the back of the Street songs cover. I forgot about that....

lololol

why were so many black male singers so sexually ambiguous in the 80s?

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Think we've talked about this before, and you didn't agree, but it's based on facts...

Go back to Little Richard's days. He's spoken many times about the emasculation process that allowed him into a cross over audience. Fear of the black man enticing young white girls...

Ok Little Richard's time was like the first big cross over movement. the beginings of rock and roll, and think of the opposition they faced...

fast forward to disco. another cross over movement...
Sylvester, Village People. Nuff said.

let's go to the R & B funk movement. Not a lot of cross over. Al Green, Barry White, Teddy, were as masculine as they wanted to be. Funk was an urban movement. Not a lot of cross over, not a lot of femininity.

But things started to change with Rick, Michael and Prince. Why? More exposure. More crossover opportunities. More feminitity. and MTV. I remember hating MTV at first because when they started Rick James was the BIGGEST Black artist out at that time. Never played a Rick James video. Anyways, Street songs was marketed to a cross over audience, thus the slightly more feminine and non-threatening images. And Prince,.... my man had on bikini briefs....

Long way of answering your question, but the feminity in black male artists corresponds to the level of a cross over audience.

hip hop went the same way in a sense, but instead of femininity, they used extrememe bafoonary and misogeny...

why weren't Motown cats feminine? they enjoyed arguable some of the biggest successful crossover and cultural influence of Black artists TO DATE.

and as much as you'd like to blame MTV and crossover, I really think Prince wore those bikini briefs because he just felt like it. he was doing that shit long before MTV.

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Smokey Robinson, anyone?

but he was not feminine.
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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Smokey was pretty AND feminine. In fact, now that I think about it, he had that category on lock. Little Richard is not a pretty man, nor was Rick, nor is Prince (well, a little). Smokey was one of them 'pretty boys' AND was feminine. None of his songs really had the 'balls' you so like to discuss in music.

you gotta be kiddin' me... he wasn't no Wilson Pickett, but he exuded masculinity.

so did the Temps. what does Coolidge mean they were "non-threatening"? i mean, they were not making like they were about to rob and rape everyone in the audience, but they were hardly neuters.
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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you really got a hold on me
who's lovin' you
tracks of my tears


none of that has balls to you?

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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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Especially not the 'Tracks of My Tears'. And before the chorus starts up again, let me state that I love that song. But how are you gonna tell me that with all the Maxwell bashing you do, that a song about a man crying like a biatch has balls?

is not about him crying like a biaaaa… I have no problem with that.

I just think Maxwell is phony and I find it interesting that the world he evokes in his songs seems to exclude men. that's why he "sings for the bitches," not because of his "sensitivity" (which I also think is phony) Maxwell and Smokey don't even live in the same universe, if you ask me.

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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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you think he's a phony. But the world Smokey sang about had no men in it either, unless they might've been trying to fuck his woman. Furthermore, I almost forgot to address the first song you mentioned: 'oooh baby baby'. Most assuredly bitchlike. Crying, dying, begging for the pussy. In fact, there's a shitload of crying going on in Smokey's world. You fellas down with that?

The ballsiest (and best)song he did, in my opinion was 'Cruising'. The rest was very feminine.

I don't.

I don't think tears are "feminine." in fact, I think they are very, very masculine when framed properly. that's why I love Ike Hayes… he had that tearful, yet masculine delivery. and that's why I liked Jodeci's first album.

for me, tears define manhood (in all it's conflicted and tortured dignity), not negate it.

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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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Men do. You might wish to be the exception, but that doesn't mean Smokey wasn't feminine. You brought up songs as examples, and I refuted them, using one element, the crying. You must admit that crying is not considered masculine in this society, unless it is over one's dead homies.

you're talking to ME.

I've said that crying is not a valid negation of masculinity in my book, so what else you got?

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you think I'm arguing with you over how YOU perceive Smokey Robinson? How stupid would I be to try and jump in your head? Brings to mind the scene in Star Wars where Luke, Leia and Hans end up in the Death Star's garbage dumpster.

No, my brother, I'm talking about society. I'm talking about the general image of Smokey Robinson. I'd wager that a majority of men, then and now, found him to be feminine. Women too, probably.

Fuck society, indeed.

>No, my brother, I'm talking about
>society. I'm talking about the
>general image of Smokey Robinson.
>I'd wager that a majority
>of men, then and now,
>found him to be feminine.
>Women too, probably.
>

they still wanted to fuck him

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that was never the question. Women want to fuck Prince and Little Richard too. That's beside the point.

were highly masculine.

it's not about eyeliner and processes, you know...
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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Now you're recanting. If it's not about eyeliner and processes, what was it about the back of Street Songs that you found so feminine?

>Now you're recanting. If it's not
>about eyeliner and processes, what
>was it about the back
>of Street Songs that you
>found so feminine?

the way the cop is feeling him up while he's spread against the wall like a bitch.
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10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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how is that less masculine than say, Prince butt naked inside of a flower. Or laying face down on a fuzzy blanket with his ass teasingly exposed? Or getting up out of a bubble bath, beckoning you to come near?

a COP feeling him up while he is spread against the wall with some hoes.

think about it.

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"them ask fi war, and you know them get it!" © Bounti Killa


10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

Cops don't normally feel straight men up when frisking them?

that was such a gay pic. the way he was spread… the hoes… and the friggin' COP! why didn't Rick just go ahead and dress like a biker… or maybe like an Indian chief?

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The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

That picture and that picture alone cancelled out all the testosterone driven music he made and made him way more feminine than Little Richard, Smokey Robinson, Prince AND Michael Jackson?

Is that your opinion?

there was other bitchy stuff he did (though that picture was way up there)… but I gotta go now.

have a nice day.

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"them ask fi war, and you know them get it!" © Bounti Killa


10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

they looked (and sounded) like gumps.

How you gonna wear 5" heels with eyeliner on and be masculine?

Peace

Wendell

Peace

Wendell

commanded an intense sexuality… to an extent, it was an ambiguous sexuality, but it was mostly masculine.

ditto Prince… when there were all these questions about "is he gay?" I could see that was such bull… he is totally straight, he exudes mucho hetero energy, and the fact he wears lace underwear does not change that.


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"them ask fi war, and you know them get it!" © Bounti Killa


10 discs for the dark days:

1. Beachwood Sparks - Once We Were Trees
2. Various Artists - Darker Than Blue: Soul from Jamdown 1973-1980
3. Flash Domincii & the Supersonics - Owuro Lojo & S5 Vol. 2
4. Antibalas Afrobeat Orchestra - Liberation Afrobeat
5. N*E*R*D - In Search Of...
6. Leonard Cohen - Ten New Songs
7. Various Artists - Money No Be Sand: 1960s Afro-lypso, Pidgin Highlife, Afro-Soul & Afro-Rock
8. His Name Is Alive - Someday My Blues Will Cover the Earth
9. Carlinhos Brown - Omelete Man
10. Various Aritsts - Shaolin Soul

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The man who thinks at 50 the same way he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life - Muhammed Ali

cause everything you said is bullshit.

Let one of them muthafucka's go to jail! Jail would bring the bitch out of anyone.

Those dudes don't fit my definition of masculine. Besides, if a man is really masculine, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I ain't never heard anyone say that Ike was gay.

Peace

Wendell

Peace

Wendell

no, they wouldn't say shit about Ike. He'd bust they ass!

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but could you imagine Prince and Little Richard walking down 23rd and State?

Peace

Wendell

Peace

Wendell

Prince is a Pimp. Once you think of him that way, the whole thing makes sense. The hair, the outfits, the shoes, the women...all of it.

I can really see him walking down North Ave near Home Depot. Or on Roosevelt & Cicero.

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Roosevelt and Cicero and I don't go over there.

Prince would get sodomized.

Peace

Wendell

Peace

Wendell

Is that a gay neighborhood?

Why would anyone sodomize him?

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If that were physically possible.
But, I digress.

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getting fucked up.

Ain't nothing gay about that hood.

Peace

Wendell

Peace

Wendell

Giant Robot flew away....


Men cry too just ask Ja Rule...


Isaac Hayes was a manly man....I want my beard to be as nappy as his....

feminine and non-threatening can be inter-changed in this...

motown males were more non-threatening pretty boy types. Marvin, Smokey. The temps were suited up classy guys.

I will tell you why.. I think that Berry Gordy, regardless of his shady biz practices should totally be comended for keeping his folks High class. You know desire was to make classy music. They were not making "rock and roll". Little Richard was. There was purposely know sexual conotations at all in what they were doing.

When I said crossover, I should have added the sexual tones of the music and perfromances. That is really what promoted the emasculation....

>why weren't Motown cats feminine? they
>enjoyed arguable some of the
>biggest successful crossover and cultural
>influence of Black artists TO
>DATE.
>
>and as much as you'd like
>to blame MTV and crossover,
>I really think Prince wore
>those bikini briefs because he
>just felt like it. he
>was doing that shit long
>before MTV.


Would you also say that they(Prince & Rick) was a part of the ending parts of Glam rock/funk thing, that was closing out the 70's ? Maybe ? Okay, back to the convo..........(if I'm not making sense, it's because I'm getting over a cold I caught while in Canada). Continue......

Silk.
Peace

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I do know that Pfunk looked at glam groups as part of their competitors. Groups like Kiss and that other group, can't think of their name right now. So Glam Funk was a reality by the time Prince and Rick came around. Dudes like David Bowie (Ziggy Stardust was another influence on George) were like the start of the new wave era and I know Prince was majorly influenced by new wave all the way up to the 1999 album (regardless of what the Time said in The Walk). And Rick himself coined the term Punk Funk to describe leanings towards that way. You have a valid point....

The thing I always consider is how like David Bowie, who I think is really talented, is totally excepted as a very influential artists. While Rick James or even Prince in a way, are discredited for some of the things that David Bowie was coming with. There seems to be a double standard. Not to say that Prince isn't respected but I don't think he gets his due, and I know that Rick James doesnt....

He seemed to be just being him & get felt.

There was a genuine vibe to Hammer before his core audience rejected him because whites felt him. Then he had to try & change up to keep his black fanbase...making him the insincere, commercial artist they claimed he was to begin with.

C'mon how you gonna diss the ?uestion like that, of course he wasn't a Fat Boy. Now previous to Roots life, Quest did appear on television. He played Shirley on "What's Happenin?" - fxsnyc 6/19/01

> Hammer took rap places
>it hadn't been before.
>In the big picture, hip
>hop was better off because
>we had a Hammer.


Just stop it. NOW.