I dare you.
I bet you can't.

one
k. orr

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sure can, a grandiose display of the materialism that makes this country so great, capitalism at it's finest courtesy of Louisiana's economic crusaders encouraging young african americans to keep the economy afloat and spend spend spend, GOD BLESS AMERICA, BLING BLING!!!

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k. orr

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yes, in that it doesn't need to be defended.

and it needs defending.

It's poison for my, and the following generations.

one
k. orr

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but if your structure your family and raise intelligent children then nothing any rapper says can negatively influence you, I mean I was 11 when the chronic came out and I don't smoke weed, so let rappers say what the hell they want about flashy cars and jewelry, yeah I kinda want a bentley but hey I'm cool wit my Dodge Caravan

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If you WANT a Bentley.....cool. Who doesn't??? The difference is, if I was an emcee, I WOULDN'T BASE MY ENTIRE CAREER ON TALKING ABOUT HOW DOPE IT WAS. I have no problem with dope, expensive cars. Hell, I love them!!! Do you ever hear Thom Yorke or Bono talking about how much money they got and how many Benz's they push? They got more money than anyone in hip-hop besides Percy Miller. Fuck bling bling, and FUCK emcees who spout out that bullshit.

Kyle

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hey don't like em cuz you don't think they put out quality music and you find their subject matter weak, played and tired, that's great!! but if you ever heard an album you would find that Jay-Z's(who by the way everyone is dickriding nowadays)subject matter varies about as much as B.G.'s I mean Bling Bling was 1 damn song and that shit was back in 99 they talk about other things it's ok not to like it but please have an informed opinion, like me I listen to dilated peoples before calling them wack as fuck , "do you listen to music or do you just skim through it"

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I've heard over half of the tracks on all Cash Money CD's (due to my boy's obsession with jiggy), and I don't like them. Talking about how much jewelery you rock is stupid, played, and straight up wack. I have an informed opinion, and that opinion is.........BG and the rest of the flossy/jiggy shit is GARBAGE!! I would quote Com from the 6th Sense, but everyone else does.........

Kyle

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didn't I say cooool whatever, if you don't eat beef don't tell me McDonald's sucks

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When did you start posting? Today?

Kyle

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>didn't I say cooool whatever, if
>you don't eat beef don't
>tell me McDonald's sucks

but McDonald's DOES suck.

and i eat beef.
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and whatever they are talking about...why would hip hop need to follow their line?

Peace
Jean

"from New York to Paree, the vocal styles vary"

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shit, Bono is riding hip-hop's jock hard anyway.
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>If you WANT a Bentley.....cool.
>Who doesn't???

i don't

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>but if your structure your family
>and raise intelligent children then
>nothing any rapper says can
>negatively influence you,

You're saying I need to teach my children better, not that the material does not harm them.

one
k. orr

http://breddanansi.tumblr.com/

it's simple-minded party music. anyone stupid enough to live their life according to the principles orated by manny fresh and co. wasn't going to ascend to be the chief justice of the supreme court anyway. music, movies and video games don't raise people, contrary to what those christian coalition snakehandlers might say as they chant kumbayah while stomping on copies of necro albums and "grand theft auto".

however, i can't defend the mind-numbing redundancy of music that constantly beats my in the head about one topic, be it weed, women, money or the politics of world wide water. it's like -- "okay, fella, i get it".


"the anarchist notebook" -- make'm riverdance to this.

>it's simple-minded party music. anyone stupid
>enough to live their life
>according to the principles orated
>by manny fresh and co.
>wasn't going to ascend to
>be the chief justice of
>the supreme court anyway. music,
>movies and video games don't
>raise people, contrary to what
>those christian coalition snakehandlers might
>say as they chant kumbayah
>while stomping on copies of
>necro albums and "grand theft
>auto".
>

I've stopped believing hip hop, or music in general, could change the world in a "positive" way a long time ago, so why would I think it can affect it negatively?

Peace
Jean

"from New York to Paree, the vocal styles vary"

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"he asks me if I listen to hip-hop. I tell him that I study it, but that I cannot listen to it in most cases for the same reasons I don't eat meat. I don't like how it feels in my system. I tell him that I can't listen to it because it seems to betray the hip-hop that molded me. he wants to know if I remember public enemy, krs, rakim… I tell him I have difficulty listening to contemporary hip-hop because I can't forget." © Saul Williams

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music does change things in a positive way.
i mean, without it things would definitely be grimmer. it inspires people to make positive changes every day.
you know that. music spreads love.
*hippy moment over*
but i do find it hard to get into the fact that anyone gets excited by lyrics all about material sh&t. sad mfs if they do. that jay-z isn't gangster, it's businessman, and that's worse.
also, i want a mc g4 but i wouldn't be at all interested in hearing someone else talk about theirs.

>music does change things in a
>positive way.
>i mean, without it things would
>definitely be grimmer. it inspires
>people to make positive changes
>every day.
>you know that. music spreads love.
>
>*hippy moment over*

I agree with this. But what I meant is I am skeptical about the ability of "positive" rappers, dealing with political and social subject matter, to really change the world.

Peace
Jean

"from New York to Paree, the vocal styles vary"

true, they're preaching to the converted mainly.
the people who would be enlightened are listening to lyrics about the bling.
i get positive vibes from conscious lyrics but i'm WAY off the target ausience.

>true, they're preaching to the converted
>mainly.
>i get positive vibes from conscious
>lyrics but i'm WAY off
>the target ausience.

even that...it won't change the world. Ultimately, it's what individuals do on their own that matters, not the amount of conscious lyrics they listen to, or the articles they read...

Peace
Jean

"from New York to Paree, the vocal styles vary"

But you don't think their words might inspire people to do things or read up on topics they wouldn't be exposed to otherwise?

Shaun G.

I think if they do, they would have done it anyway. Just like dudes who get into illegal stuff to be able to bling don't do it because a rapper told them so...

Peace
Jean

"from New York to Paree, the vocal styles vary"

So you've never went out and read anything on a subject you were unfamiliar with due to someone else mentioning it? You've never bought anything due to someone else's recommendation?

You really think people would buy RocaWear if Jay-Z wasn't the main spokesperson for the brand?


Shaun G.

>I think if they do, they
>would have done it anyway.
>Just like dudes who get
>into illegal stuff to be
>able to bling don't do
>it because a rapper told
>them so...

I don't believe that any kind of art MAKES people do anything or not do it… but it DOES shape values. and when you have little kids out there getting their values from popular culture, it's scary to me when I hear Cam'ron go "what means the world to me?/my money my shine my car…" and the girl responds "what means the world to me?/my hair my nails…"

you can go on forever about how it's the parents' job to instill values, etc. but let's face it… in the world today, parents have a hard enough job and these cats making this music are not making it any easier.


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that's a bullshit argument though, really then turn off the TV and the Radio and don't go to the movies either because there is a big place out here called THE WORLD and everybody in it isn't worried about raising your damn kids, you're supposed to do that, so cam'ron can talk about raping women and stealing cars, and Wesley Snipes can kill 50 niggas in a movie, they can have a show on NBC about gay people, pop culture does NOT have a responsibility to set a perfect example , they DO have a responsibilty to entertain

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they don't have a responsibility to be perfect, true. even in the "conscious era," MCs were far from perfect. as much as I admire them, I can point out wack things that KRS, Chuck and Rakim said or did.

the question is not whether or not they have the right to say what they want to say… I don't think that's the issue. the question is: "can you defend bling bling?" no… I can't. I can defend their right to make the music, but I can't honestly tell you that that shit ain't poison for young minds.

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naw, it's like anything else in hip-hop, you get in moderation, I mean I grew up on drug raps, in the Escobar/Tony Starks/ Frank White era, but when I rhyme, and go out in the world I know what's entertainment and what's real? so how young is a young mind? you mean a 6 or 7 year old cuz they're not even sweatin the words, an 8 or 9 year old maybe but really they're not sweatin the bentleys and watches, 12 or 13 year old, that's where the parenting comes in, I mean really I don't see nothing wrong with making people aware that there are material things out there, it can get excessive but only the die hard fans cram there head full of that shit anyway and I can tell you that most Cash Money fans ain't sellin crack and obsessing over jewelry they just listen to it, cuz it's no big deal

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I don't think it turns people into drug dealers or killers, but it does influence values in subtle ways that I'll try to elaborate on if I get the time later today.

believe me, son… I used to be like you, thinking that none of this stuff mattered… this time a year ago, I was right where you are defending this stuff. maybe I'm just getting old.

or maybe I'm getting real.

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>I don't think it turns people
>into drug dealers or killers,
>but it does influence values
>in subtle ways that I'll
>try to elaborate on if
>I get the time later
>today.

that's where I disagree, kinda. It's the chicken and the egg again. I mean, I think it's rather society, and its values at a certain time, that influence the music, not the other way around. To me, it's not by chance that the most politically charged hip hop was conceived at a time when the government in America was the most aggressively right-winged, anti-welfare and all that, and also a time when the economy was suffering.

Peace
Jean

"from New York to Paree, the vocal styles vary"

I don't think it's a chicken and egg thing. I think that society creates what the MCs talk about but the MCs help perpetuate the messages, positively or negatively.

Shaun G.

IT DOES affect the world negatively. . .

but

we just have to keep trying to counteract this mindless drone-like crapazona with the positivity that is hip-hop. . .

DOWN WITH THE IDIOT STORE AND ALL WHO SHOP THERE!!!!!!!

p

"sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble"--the beatles, michelle

Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble.--the beatles, michelle

So where do you all think the line is drawn between "entertainment vs. morals"? The bling-bling stuff doesn't bother me that much. It's the fact that there are so many clones and rappers that just keep re-hashing the same crap. I said it before and i'll say it again. People didn't complain during the "dookey rope" phase of hip-hop. But then again you didn't have the same level of redundancy. We did however have that redundancy during the "gangsta/x-rated" phase of hip-hop and not too many complaints.

Wile Jay-Z "sometimes" talks about other stuff. He still sticks to the formula and doesn't take risk. I for one just would like to see more diversity in the game from a commercial perspective. Meaning in videos and radio.

At what point do you all think that cats should "really" "keep it real"? You can't tell me that all those cats are living that lifestyle. Where is the line drawn between entertainment and morals.

For instance you have LL. We all know he has loot. In every video he has madd chicks all around him and all his songs are about girls for the most part (at least the singles). Yet the guy is married with various kids and has a charitable organization. For the longest time I didn't know he was married. Why doesn't he rep what is "real" lifestyle is about?

Then you have this thing with Timberland getting sexual advances from 13 and 14 year old girls. So he decides to stop rappin. WT*? Yet in videos he got big ole butts in his face and booty chick around him. Your reap what you sowe is how I feel. What are ya'll feeling as listners/fans on this issue?

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subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You).
Ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be
worshipped except You). Astaghfiruka

well... some of what you said.

I don't even have a problem with bling bling, per se… when I was growing up, we had Kane, we had Kool G Rap and Geto Boys… but there was diversity. you could decide which kind of hip-hop you wanted to listen to… you could be into Fresh Prince, or NWA, or Ice Cube, or PE, or Native Tongues, or Me Phi Me… or all of them.

nowadays, if you don't want to hear bling-bling, there's not too many places you can go while still remaining in the hip-hop world.

and what's worse… the problem is not the fact that rappers rhyme about jewels and money. it's just that the world they rhyme about is SO narrow, so ignorant… I'm sorry, it's beneath me! the world they evoke in their rhymes in nowhere near as textured and complex as Kool G Rap's or Schoolly D's. when people like that rhymed about crime, you got the feeling they did it for a purpose. when I hear Ja Rule say that he has to rhyme about sex, drugs and murder because "what else is goin' on in our world?" I get the feeling this cat's brain is running on E and he's just following the lemmings… I'm sorry. that is ignorant and you know it.

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>well... some of what you said.
>
>
>I don't even have a problem
>with bling bling, per se…
>when I was growing up,
>we had Kane, we had
>Kool G Rap and Geto
>Boys… but there was diversity.
>you could decide which kind
>of hip-hop you wanted to
>listen to… you could be
>into Fresh Prince, or NWA,
>or Ice Cube, or PE,
>or Native Tongues, or Me
>Phi Me… or all of
>them.
>
>nowadays, if you don't want to
>hear bling-bling, there's not too
>many places you can go
>while still remaining in the
>hip-hop world.
>
>and what's worse… the problem is
>not the fact that rappers
>rhyme about jewels and money.
>it's just that the world
>they rhyme about is SO
>narrow, so ignorant… I'm sorry,
>it's beneath me! the world
>they evoke in their rhymes
>in nowhere near as textured
>and complex as Kool G
>Rap's or Schoolly D's. when
>people like that rhymed about
>crime, you got the feeling
>they did it for a
>purpose. when I hear Ja
>Rule say that he has
>to rhyme about sex, drugs
>and murder because "what else
>is goin' on in our
>world?" I get the feeling
>this cat's brain is running
>on E and he's just
>following the lemmings… I'm sorry.
>that is ignorant and you
>know it.

Yeah it's madd ignorant. Especially with Ja Rule. Here you got this dude trying to adjust to white suburbia with his new found riches. Walking his daughter to school and he and his girlfriend/wife are trying to make a transition. Why doesn't he talk about that? Just following along, scarred to go outside the frame.

I don't Afkap? I'm 27 with 4 boys and looking at life a little differently. Maybe I'm just an old head, but peeps back in the day where at the very least creative with theirs.

>___________________________________________________________
>"he asks me if I listen
>to hip-hop. I tell him
>that I study it, but
>that I cannot listen to
>it in most cases for
>the same reasons I don't
>eat meat. I don't like
>how it feels in my
>system. I tell him that
>I can't listen to it
>because it seems to betray
>the hip-hop that molded me.
>he wants to know if
>I remember public enemy, krs,
>rakim… I tell him I
>have difficulty listening to contemporary
>hip-hop because I can't forget."
>
>
>
> ©
>Saul Williams

Word!
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subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You).
Ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be
worshipped except You). Astaghfiruka

the problem that people from our generation encounter in trying to digest contemporary hip-hop is that we really approach it with the wrong mind set because we were unfortunate enough to grow up at a time when it was supposed to MEAN something…
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"he asks me if I listen to hip-hop. I tell him that I study it, but that I cannot listen to it in most cases for the same reasons I don't eat meat. I don't like how it feels in my system. I tell him that I can't listen to it because it seems to betray the hip-hop that molded me. he wants to know if I remember public enemy, krs, rakim… I tell him I have difficulty listening to contemporary hip-hop because I can't forget." © Saul Williams

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*lamenting*
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subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You).
Ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be
worshipped except You). Astaghfiruka

"sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble"--the beatles, michelle

Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble.--the beatles, michelle

dammit.

p



"sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble"--the beatles, michelle

Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble.--the beatles, michelle

>it's simple-minded party music. anyone stupid
>enough to live their life
>according to the principles orated
>by manny fresh and co.
>wasn't going to ascend to
>be the chief justice of
>the supreme court anyway.

k. orr

http://breddanansi.tumblr.com/

Like hip-hop invented the ideas of greed & excess...

Peace,

*** MARBLES ***

i don't think any one of us is saying that hip-hop invented these things, but it sure vying for ownership, --and also lowering the artistic level of the music. . .

that's all i'm trying to say. . .

i taught middle/high school for four years, and i have seen what the hell this crap has done to my children--COMBINED with the facts of bad parenting.

on the flip side. . .

i remember being a middle/high school student on the eve of the advent of the massive movement which hip-hop became, but i remember there being so much moore balance between what was considered gangsta, and conscious(sp), jiggy, and party fun!!!! and yes, there was better parenting then, but the music still had integrity, heart, and was still true to itself. . .


p

DOWN WITH THE IDIOT STORE AND EVERYONE WHO SHOPS THERE. . .
"sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble"--the beatles, michelle

Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble.--the beatles, michelle

contrary to what
>those christian coalition snakehandlers might
>say as they chant kumbayah
>while stomping on copies of
>necro albums and "grand theft
>auto".
>

Yeah I remember when Ice-T was on Arsenio (I Think), and he was asked how he felt about people buying his cd's and destoying them. He was like,"I'm still getting paid."

But on the other hand, don't think all Christians are out in the street stomping on cd's. just like all Muslims aren't flying planes into World Trade Centers.

MUSTARD GREENS

...have their bling. As much as some of us may want that particular sound to shrivel up and die, it will not happen anytime soon - if ever. Listen to our current "hit" hip-hop songs...anytime that garbage Cash Money/No Limit pulled off sells, somebody has pawned their soul to Satan.




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"Ay yo Rae....they got me in iron bunkers/I go bonkers when I see a bitch making tuna fish in my bloomers/I rock Big Ill fez's for reason I shine/The rap kingpin the fifth mic, them shits was mine/See they think that a nigga won't make the front page papers/They know God but they don't know about the capers/The onions, the seasonings, my pasta sauce spicy/My whole arm look icy, my wisdom-body look pricey/but she got that devilish pussy just like Wifey/I woula made a run for it but the shit got so gushy!/God, I might sing to it, eat a little lunch soon/I heard her big sister be trickin' like Alice the Goon/Can I get a piece of the cake, German Chocolate Icing blazing/Amazing God see me in up in Training Day/Might smack Denzel, smash off Rapunzel/Go on CBS smack the fire outta Fred Gumbel...BITCH!

Since I hardly listen to the radio anymore I could be wrong but hasn't Cash Money faded in popularity lately, at least nation wide?

Shaun G.

unfortunately,

they are being replaced with various, fill-in-the-blank, so called emcee's, including but not limited to:

nelly/st. lunatics
ja-rule
and lest i forget,
fa-bo-lo-us. . .

so much wrong, so little time to explain why. . .

p

"sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble"--the beatles, michelle

Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble.--the beatles, michelle

you can't really effectively compare fa-bo-lo-us (or however you spell it) and ja-rule with Lil Wayne. There's a totally different dynamic.

nah-nanny-boo-boo!--evolution_23

"Money, it turned out, was exactly like sex, you thought of nothing else if you didn't have it and thought of other things if you did."
- James Baldwin (1924 - 1987)

"Love does not begin and end the way we seem to think it does. Love is a battle, love is a war; love is a growing up."
- James Baldwin (1924 - 1987)

Q:Are you a fool, fool?
A: Oh yes, oh yes, oh yes!
--My dad cracking a joke.
Love you, Pa.

i'm open minded. . .

tell me, how do i differentiate them from one another????


oh, and by the by--NEVER call me wodie again. . .
thankx in advance.


p

DOWN WITH THE IDIOT STORE AND EVERYONE WHO SHOPS THERE. . .
"sont les mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble"--the beatles, michelle

Sont des mots qui vont tres bien ensemble, tres bien ensemble.--the beatles, michelle

there's wild people out there that are jewelry people. thats their thing. for some people its cars, some its music, for some its women or whatever. cant really knock somebody else just because im not a jewelry person

in the deck:
Big Jus - gaffling whips EP
NORE - "Nahmeanuheard"
P.U., Littles, Killa Sha & Tragedy Khadafi - "Ape Something"
P.U. - "Stack G's Regardless"
50 Cent - "As the World Turns"

If you got it, flaunt it! Jay-Z does have a couple of Bentleys, why not flaunt it and show it off. He's a young black man with money and he has no duty to raise your kids. And if your kids aspire to want Bentleys that's not such a bad thing. This is capitalism.
When I make my first mill, best believe I'll be riding around in Helicopters(eff a Bentley...city traffic is getting unbearable anyway). People seem to have a problem with black people having money and showing it off.

p.s. this would have been my defense if I believed that these rappers were worth defending. But with the exception of Jay and a handful of others, most of these 'bling bling' rappers are literally stupid. I've seen them in live "in depth" interviews and they actually have little or no depth. And taking in pride in peddling poision to your own people shows lack of intelligence. It's one thing to blame it on circumstance but it's another to brag about doing it. And in addition, a lot of rappers are basically saying "Look at me, I'm a murderer" or "Look at me, I know murderers". This time next year, incest will probably become trendy in hip-hop. They have a habit of glorifying some of the worst shit in the world.
p.p.s. Fuck Bono and the rest of them. All they do is talk about love and that's just as one sided as only talking about Money, Cash, Hoes. Actually Money, Cash, Hoes...that's three things vs. one.
rant over.

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>p.p.s. Fuck Bono and the rest
>of them. All they do
>is talk about love and
>that's just as one sided
>as only talking about Money,
>Cash, Hoes. Actually Money, Cash,
>Hoes...that's three things vs. one.
>

well, if you wanna be totally honest, it's more like 2 vs 1...

Peace
Jean

"from New York to Paree, the vocal styles vary"

goes back to that intelligence thing i was talking about
Please excuse my mistake, rap seems to be making me dumber.
Let's try this then:
"Talking about Cars and Clothes, sounding like hoes" - Common
There. Is that better?

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>p.s. this would have been my defense if I believed that
>these rappers were worth defending. But with the exception of
>Jay and a handful of others, most of these 'bling bling' >rappers are literally stupid. I've seen them in
>live "in depth" interviews and they actually have little or
>no depth. And taking in pride in peddling poision to
>your own people shows lack of intelligence. It's one thing
>to blame it on circumstance but it's another to brag
>about doing it. And in addition, a lot of rappers
>are basically saying "Look at me, I'm a murderer" or
>"Look at me, I know murderers". This time next year,
>incest will probably become trendy in hip-hop. They have a
>habit of glorifying some of the worst shit in the world.
>p.p.s. Fuck Bono and the rest of them. All they do is talk >about love and that's just as one sided as only talking about >Money, Cash, Hoes. Actually Money, Cash, Hoes...that's three >things vs. one.
>rant over.

Maaannn...you hit the nail on the head. It's not that fact that a guy has loot or is successful. Heck that makes me excited to get mine and makes me motivated. But it's the means to an end that bothers me and the clones that think that they can make it off of the formula. It should make people go Hmmm? As to how we went from PE to Jay-Z. Not that we want everyone to be a "raptavist". But where the heck is the balance? Why can't I watch a damn video without "...sy galore"?

Whether or not these people want to beleive they are role models or not. They are. The proof is in the puddin. Check your local ghetto for clones and imitaters. Look across the street and watch the little girls booty dance while their mommas prod them on. Lil' Kim is a role model, does that not bother some people? Jay-Z is a role model, does that not bother some people? Not that I'm gettin down on rappers. But this problem is throughout the whole "entertainment" industry. Doesn't anyone care about the state of affairs or do you subscribe to the "don't watch it then" or "don't listen to it then"? Then I ask. What do you do when it's everywhere you go? Can't even watch kids television without sexy ad for Dentyne Ice.

"Is this what hip-hop was meant to be?"(c) KRS


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but what do you mean "defend Bling Bling"?

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1. A Song For The Ladies
2. Check Under The Hood
3. 2 Young 2 Drink 2 Drunk 2 Fish
4. G Funk (On The Strang)
5. Ginga Bredd Juice
6. Draggin' Dragon
7. Wave 2 The Weave

Y are u single handly trying to stop something that alot of people like??? Y

Do they piss u off??? Is it your lifes mission to stop all that u dont like??? Your only annoying yourself.

"Dont see my ones, dont see my guns / Get it??"

Early!

"Just cause I beat a body dont think I'm lucky / Nawww... I Stay in shit like a box of Huggies" O

"From the home of Smokin Joe / That nigga dropped Ali" O

"Nigga, I'm keepin it gutter, gat and a butter / Eight wonder, young nigga hotter than thun

1. it's they money
2. it ain't MY money
3. if i don't like it, i ain't gotta listen

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U make me feel like cookies, yo. (c)DeePhunk

C'mon how you gonna diss the ?uestion like that, of course he wasn't a Fat Boy. Now previous to Roots life, Quest did appear on television. He played Shirley on "What's Happenin?" - fxsnyc 6/19/01

As Dr Dre said: "You either talking about the place to be/who you are/WHAT YOU GOT/or bout a sucker MCee."

Peace

Wendell

um, Dr. Dre is not the final word on hiphop... not saying that that's what you said... but not a good reference point...
the man who brought us Gangsta Hiphop... thanks to the CIA...
the East Coast 'used' to be primarily conscious... Thanks dre for the genocide! The man that brought us Eminem... who is nice, can't front... but has no respect for what comes out of his mouth... taking Hiphop to the level of Black Sabbath or Ronnie James Dio... not good. He is nice, actually he's just better on other people's albums and compilations. peace?

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

cause he is the evil around us he singlehandly caused the downfall of xclan and those positive rappes

brother jay whatcah say?

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no x-clan just sucked

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>um, Dr. Dre is not the
>final word on hiphop... not
>saying that that's what you
>said... but not a good
>reference point...

Okay, that's your opinoin. I'm listening

>the man who brought us Gangsta
>Hiphop...

Ummm, I think BDP and Ice T and a few others did it before Dre.

thanks to the CIA...

Huh?

>the East Coast 'used' to be
>primarily conscious...

Don't remember Just Ice and G Rap do you? Take a real good listen to BDP's "9MM". Then we can talk.

Thanks dre for
>the genocide!

Player, you are tripping.

The man
>that brought us Eminem... who
>is nice, can't front... but
>has no respect for what
>comes out of his mouth...
>taking Hiphop to the level
>of Black Sabbath or Ronnie
>James Dio... not good.

Oh lord!!! So now YOU are the judge of where Hip Hop should go and what boundaries should be set?

>He is nice, actually he's
>just better on other people's
>albums and compilations. peace?
>

You lost me player.

Peace

Wendell

Peace

Wendell

Never really cared if I had you player. If you deny the impact of Dre's work on the East Coast and black people, then you really need to check yourself. Before Dre, we weren't calling ourselves niggers and bitches, before Dre brothers weren't as up on hustling dope, at least not glamourizing it. Granted, yeah we had (along with a few YOU missed) Schooly D, the first BDP album, even the first PE album (why you trippin...), Kool G and DJ Polo (yeah, yeah brother we know...) but the bottom line is the lines were drawn... off the cuff remarks like I'll kidnap ya moms, kill ya family and craziness like that was non existant. Also, they had never dealt with the reality of the street like NWA. The CIA? I believe they knew thru the power of PE just how influential this music is for our people, and they helped blow NWA up... just like they did crack. I mean it's nothing more than crack, just takes a lot longer to see the end results... difference here... is you can get others addicted... without them investing money... it's the mindset... and you can pass that along. Just my opinion. For the record... your not the final word on hiphop either... so let me do my thang, ok? ok.

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

really?
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If you
>deny the impact of Dre's
>work on the East Coast
>and black people, then you
>really need to check yourself.

Let's get real clear on Dre's legacy, he built it off of our countries past. If I need to check myself, then you need to learn a little more about our country and the black community in general.

> Before Dre, we weren't
>calling ourselves niggers and bitches,
>before Dre brothers weren't as
>up on hustling dope, at
>least not glamourizing it.

The drug culture has been popular in the black community since the late 60's early 70's. Do yourself a favor and rent "Superfly" or any Dolemite movie. Dre is a product of those times, like myself, not the originator.

>Granted, yeah we had (along
>with a few YOU missed)
>Schooly D, the first BDP
>album, even the first PE
>album (why you trippin...), Kool
>G and DJ Polo (yeah,
>yeah brother we know...) but
>the bottom line is the
>lines were drawn... off the
>cuff remarks like I'll kidnap
>ya moms, kill ya family
>and craziness like that was
>non existant. Also, they
>had never dealt with the
>reality of the street like
>NWA.

Brother, have you ever listened to "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash? The truth is, the "reality of the streets" is why Hip Hop became popular in the first place. It's also why NWA IS important in our society.

The CIA?
>I believe they knew thru
>the power of PE just
>how influential this music is
>for our people, and they
>helped blow NWA up...

That's funny.

just
>like they did crack.
>I mean it's nothing more
>than crack, just takes a
>lot longer to see the
>end results... difference here... is
>you can get others addicted...
>without them investing money... it's
>the mindset... and you can
>pass that along. Just
>my opinion.

I believe everyone is a teacher, but right now, you really haven't given me anything to "pass along". I feel your intent, but you need to live a little more and gather more information, before you go spouting off these half thought out "opinions".

For the
>record... your not the final
>word on hiphop either... so
>let me do my thang,
>ok? ok.

Now this is where you are absolutely WRONG. I AM HIP HOP! I AM GOD!!! KING KONG AINT GOT SHIT ON ME!!!!

Side note, it's obvious that you are a young brother who's coming into some knowledge. I'm presuming you are black, but I may be wrong. My question is: If you are on some "pro-black-radical-mix" stuff, why use the screen name of a caucasian comic book hero?

Peace

Wendell

Peace

Wendell

> My question is:
>If you are on some
>"pro-black-radical-mix" stuff, why use the
>screen name of a caucasian
>comic book hero?
>

i was with you up until this point, but now you're gettin' ridiculous…

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