I just copped the newest CD from Soulman (worldofbeats.com fame) and it has the original sample that Jay Dee used for Erykah's "Didn't You Know"...now I am one of the few beat diggers who have nothing against looping but MAD cats on here talk all of this ish about just looping. Now I use to get into discussions round here and cats would say how Jay Dee could produce R&B better than Primo or Pete Rock and saying "Din't You Know" was an example. So after hearing "Didn't You Know" I was like "aiight maybe these cats were right" thinking that Jay sat down, wrote out some music, played bass, keys or something but then to find out it's just a loop? So anyone who heard that could've looped it and produced it for Erykah including Pete or Primo. So how is Jay better @ producing R&B then any other cat who could've just looped the same sample?

The same with "Booty" off of Erykah's album, Quest and crew might have played it but it's the music from this jawn called "Gambler's Life" by Johnny Hammond. I guess when I hear Quest and the Soulquarians producing stuff for R&B heads I just assume (which is my bad) since Quest talks about composing music and since EVERYONE roud here say the Souls are better then other producers cause that can play...but my question is if all they're doing is replaying something someone has already done...what's REALLY the difference between looping it or replaing it? The moral is the same whether you loop it or replay it...the bottom line is it ain't your music in the first place. So PLEASE all of the okayplayers who hate on cats who just loop and say it doesn't show any talent...please let me know the difference...

i do have a problem against looping obvious shit... like popular diana ross records, or debarge, or something everyone knows... (and i've been guilty of this myself... but i can't resist that donald byrd "think twice" loop)

now, as far as looping some obscure Tarika Blue record... yeah, go for it.

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are records.
and we are of the hip hop generation so.....
but you also failed to mention the hundreds of songs we did that were not sample based.....

jay has advantage over prim with instruments because jay can play instruments (pri says he still learning keys give him time)

prime example: listen to prim's "lady" remix. it's stabOlus. i believed it was a limited stabbing affair because of prim's limited knowledge of chord structure.

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I feel you on that Jay's main instruments are his records, but a while back when we were politicing about Jay vs. Hi Tek you said records were Pete's main instruments, and that was his downfall. What's the difference? I guess the bulk of what I hear Jay produce are samples so I really don't get to see where his playing capabilities are put to the test (except "Welcome to Detroit" which I thought was HORRIBLE) but enlighten me, what are some big time jawns that Jay put in work on the musical tip vs. sampling...I guess I'm just saying is there REALLY a difference if Primo sampled the "Didn't You Know" sample...then if you and the Soulquarians heard it and replayed it yourself? Isn't it in essence still looping? And this again ain't a knock to cats looping, it's just cats round here dis people that loop ANYTHING but then turn around and big ya'll up like ya'll are above just looping something...

is that Pete let strict sample laws cripple his abilities, where as Jay is able to work with them.

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setting aside whether i actually believe the theory that copyright infringement suits crippled hip-hop production in the early 90's (slightly debatable, but a diff. post altogether), my thing is THIS...pete has plenty of late 90's and recent productions that show he can still bring heat...pete's solo joint on loud records (title?) had some really good beatwork on it. maybe you guys hated that record, but i liked it. also, pete did some good work for bumpy knuckles. then, there's that unreleased mary j. blige "family affair" remix feat. CL Smooth (uh, i guess if clearance problems hampered the release of that, it hurts my argument...lol).

um...my point being: pete is still putting out good work.

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So I dunno how well he's working within sample laws.....

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Then EVERY single producer is ...

One of the things that makes him special to me is his ability to disguise loops/samples and mix it with replayed or original elements. The result is that it's hard to tell when it's sampled and when it isn't.

But I never heard him claim that he doesn't use loops, so what is this post based on ?

And FYI : I don't mind people looping stuff, but I like some originality and/or digging (like Brainchild), not just some 80's hit loop.



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>Then EVERY single producer is ...
>
>
>One of the things that makes
>him special to me is
>his ability to disguise loops/samples
>and mix it with replayed
>or original elements. The
>result is that it's hard
>to tell when it's sampled
>and when it isn't.
>
>But I never heard him claim
>that he doesn't use loops,
>so what is this post
>based on ?
>
>And FYI : I don't mind
>people looping stuff, but I
>like some originality and/or digging
>(like Brainchild), not just some
>80's hit loop.

That's the genius behind Jay-Dee. He'l make a song of all loops (Fall In Love), and have cats thinkin' he chopped the shit outta the drums, when all it is is a loop. Same thing with Fuck The Police. The drums and melody are all un touched loops, but they're so obscure that most won't ever find them.

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and play basslines
and program drums
...I'm guessing Jay's the same.
But ponus points for obscurity. 'cause cats had at least 15 years to use the Erykah loops and they didn't. Finders Keepers is my motto.


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who are this Uk drum and bass-ish group used that same loop but they sampled it straight rather than reply it around the same time as erykah.

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i think Jay may have started the loop on a different measure though, and he cuts in different versions, plus he sampled the opening drums from d's "untitled"

the underwolves track, "thin", repeats certain beats during the loop, which is an interesting effect. i almost like their treatment better than jay's.

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well erykahs one was probably brought to the band as a sample and then they fleshed it out cos they emphasise that guitar wah wahing part a lot more. the underwolves one is cool, but erykahs song is way better IMHO. the underwolves just talks about typical mellowness and how everything is so cool and its so summery and nice and warm and lovely. its nice though!

i think erykahs was released first but i read the underwolves had theirs done ages ago (but theyre bound to say that arent they?) but cos their contract got messed up it was delayed.

I like their version too though...

to me does not match the wording in your post...Asking whether the Soulquarians can produce better R&B than Primo, etc. is a whole separate issue than the sample use..To conclude they are somehow fradulent msuicians b/c they use samples is a stretch.

I look at it like this: If those producers you mentioned can produce bettter R&B than the Soulquarians I haven't heard it. Just like if there are producers who can flip certain loops an have it sound better than Primo I haven't heard it. Just like if John Doe producer can say, "aww, I coulda done that shit"--then why don't you? Where are your tracks at?

Plus you gotta look at all the projects they work on behind the scenes where its not really made a big deal of -- like ?uest and Poyser's work on Nikka Costa. When you look at the collective tracks they've put out so far its a pretty impressive list. R&B/"Neo-soul" and hip-hop...

The sampling and interpolating issue is a whole nother thing that's a lot broader than their crew...But I will just say to do that you have to be skilled as a musician to replay it and have it sound good--just cause its a cover doesn't make it any easier...Look at the heat madlib got on the boards over his skills on Yesterday's New Quintet...

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The moral is this, to me there's no difference if you replay a sample or just sample it. I've had debates on these boards about how so and so is wack cause they loop but then they turn around and big up Jay Dee...the bulk of Jay's stuff is straight loops and maybe cats don't realize that, so I'm just trying to enlighten cats. Don't dis the Primo's and Pete's of the world for looping and then turn around and big up Jay...that's all.

Quest talks about how Jay's better cause he can play but besides "Welcome..." (which again I thought was Jay's worst stuff) I've never heard Jay play anything in his tracks...bass, keys, anything. And when I mean play, I mean "play" like a musician. Not just sample a noise and mess around with the multi pitch...I mean straight up and down PLAY! The Soulquarians got A LOT of extra props from me because I thought they they wrote and composed ALL their music..."Booty" was my fav song off of "Mama's Gun" and my favorite jawn produced by the Souls and I gave Quest and the boyz a TON of credit for composing that composition...so I guess when I hear Johnny Hammond did all of the work 18 years ago...I feel kinda salty.

I guess for me I give props on 3 different levels. You get props for digging/looping. This to me is the lowest level of props in music production I give cause you just found a dope groove and looped it and will be needing sampling clearnace and paying for it. The next level of props is for chopping. That's higher than digging cause when you chop sometimes the original artist won't even know you sampled their stuff...that to me is when sampling becomes an art. But the highest level of production I give cats is when they compose and play stuff themselves. I guess cause I can't play. If you played ball as good as Iverson would he amaze you? Probably not. He amazes me cause I can't play ball like him. So I give the utmost resprect to Quest cause he can do something I can't...and that's read, compose and play music. And yeah, I'm sure Quest does compose more than sample but I guess when you hear your favorite track that you think the Soulquarians composed and then find out it's just a loop...it's like man you get the bottom of the barrel props...

difference is....Jay loops stuff that noone else would think of/touch. His loops sound so dope, some cats think it's chopped and reordered. You act like Jay's on some RZA "let's loop Willie Mitchell shit till i die" type steez. Jay loops obscure shit, point blank.

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i like that.

I bet 99.99% of you beat heads (me included) thought Jay chopped the FUCK outta the Fuck the Police drums and melody. Not only are they both loops, they're from the same song!!

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you worry 'bout the wrong thangs, the wrong thang.

That's the thing...In the same post you give props to ?uest for playing and downplay Jay's skills...But they're both Soulquarians. Plus Poyser and I dunno who else. But like I said, look at the Soulquarians collective track record, with and without Jay, not just Erykah but D, Bilal, Jill Scott, Common, Nikka, and there's some pretty impressive stuff...If I recall correctly Poyser played keys on most of the tracks on Mama's gun...?uest skills well established as well...

So it really just comes down to a question of Jay's input. That's what I think you're talking about moreso than Soulquarians as a unit or stuff that has been worked on under that name...

I don't know what Jay's skills are on traditional instruments, but whatever he's bringing to the table sounds tight...Listen to tracks he's done solo, with Soulquarians, and with the Ummah...A lot of good material and a lot of different sounds...He's been consistently making tight material for a while now...

I don't know enough about producing to tell you whether he loops or chops, but I have seen the issue debated heatedly from both sides, with examples...So I dunno who's right but whatever he's doing impresses me..."Runnin" is one of my favorite beats ever...

I think the Allen Iverson analogy is interesting. But like you also said, if you can ball like that, would you be as impressed with AI? But there have been some "NBA-level" musicians/producers, etc. that have given props to Jay..."Game recognize game..."

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making this same point over and over again, you cant
hear a loop off a dustyfingers or soulman tape and then
bad mouth someone cause they jacked some looped. if a
song is dope it's dope, case closed. that tarika blue
is some hard to find shit, now do you really think the
average badu fan heard that track and said "damn jaydee
just looped that tarika blue record" they dont care.

i dig for a living, and i know 90% of shit is jacks

so fresh, so clean - outkast jacked this, but it dont
matter cause the song is nice. i didnt think less of
the song after i heard the loop.

that's why all this "sampling law" stuff is a myth,
about 90% of shit out there are loops, and most of
em are not cleared.

you cant think a song is nice and then get upset
cause they used some rare loop, that what hip hop
all about. when i was young i had no clue , now when
i listen to pre 88 hip hop im like "damn marley used
that honeydrippers on damn near ever track" but that
would'nt cause me to think less of marley marl


didnt think less of the roots after i heard those
madhouse drums or "indiana", just enjoyed the music
and how they flipped the loop, cause in the end it's
all about how you find and use the loop.

shit it took damn near 8 years for that mass appeal
loop be found, but even after i heard it i still
wouldnt be able to do what primo did to it.





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Thanks for the sampling update fam...If you peep the original post I KNOW 99.9% of hip hop is loops...that's what I said! I don't have a problem with cats just looping...my post was about how other cats on these boards dis people just looping, not even knowing their favorite #1 Jay Dee is a 95% looper himself. And that Quest and the crew numerous times just REPLAY loops. And I ALSO was just asking the question is there REALLY a difference between looping and just replaying a loop, that's it, that's all. Don't dis Prim or Pete for looping the big up Jay Dee...not even knowing he loops just as much. If anybody is more of a chopper it's Prim...not Jay. But then again half of the people who post on here think record shopping is going to Sam Goody to pick up the new Jag cd...

Thw whole reason I brought up the whole "Didn't You Know" sample jack was because cats on this board was saying how much better a "R&B" producer Jay is and using "Didn't You Know" as a measuring stick...so like I said BEFORE I thought Jay played something, wrote some music cause EVERYONE round here was acting like Jay did something "SPECIAL" for Erykah...all Jay did is the same thing Pete would've done but Quest insists that Jay is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better then Pete or Prim or anyone for that matter cause Jay plays instruments. Not because he has a bigger/better record collection. Not because his drums are better. Not because he freaks the SP better. Just because he can play, and oh yeah cause Pete doesn't know how to use the MPC yet?!?! But AGAIN I've never heard a Jay track where he straight up and down PLAYED something. I remember Quest saying Pete had a chance to get on Voodoo and other Soulquarian projects but didn't come with it. Well, I guess he just didn't LOOP the right thing huh?

>But AGAIN I've
>never heard a Jay track
>where he straight up and
>down PLAYED something.

"CB4", Jay plays guitar, drums, and bass on that one.

and there's that one joint I heard where him & ?uest are playing drums at the same time.

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>"CB4", Jay plays guitar, drums, and
>bass on that one.

You took the words right outta my mizzouth.

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you worry 'bout the wrong thangs, the wrong thang.

that the title of your post and the content don't really match, in a way...Its really a "Does Jay-Dee deserve props? Cause that n*gga loops" post...

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>that the title of your post
>and the content don't really
>match, in a way...Its really
>a "Does Jay-Dee deserve props?
>Cause that n*gga loops" post...

Jay's got an ear. He finds obscure loops, everyone knows that. If he finds some rare, never heard of shit that sounds sick, why chop it if it's already perfect?

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you worry 'bout the wrong thangs, the wrong thang.

Ya'll kinda slow round here....I have NO PROBLEM WITH JAY LOOPING!!!!!!!! I KNOW JAY HAS AN OBSCURE EAR FOR SAMPLES!!! BUT SO DOES PRIM, PETE, MADLIB AND A TON OF OTHER PRODUCERS!!!! ALL I WAS SAYING IS DON'T DIS EVERYBODY ELSE FOR LOOPING BUT BIG UP JAY! Thanks for the info on CB4...any other tracks? I mean Jay has a track record of almost 100 beats, and he's ONLY played on one...and a wack one @ that...maybe that's why he doesn't play so much....thanks...

as much as india and alicia bite whole chunks from other peoples songs even dangelo 'interpolated' a melody or two in his work, as has erykah.

i mean you could say its hip hop. or you could say its lazy. i think the songs sound good so im not THAT bothered but if they really are into continuing the legacy of soul, then hey, the predecessors didnt bite like that.

but it is still good music (im thinking of send it on, when we get by, didnt cha know, etc) so its not exactly talentless pilfering.

>Ya'll kinda slow round here....I have
>NO PROBLEM WITH JAY LOOPING!!!!!!!!
>I KNOW JAY HAS AN
>OBSCURE EAR FOR SAMPLES!!! BUT
>SO DOES PRIM, PETE, MADLIB
>AND A TON OF OTHER
>PRODUCERS!!!!

I know this. Pete is the GOAT, and Primo, Dilla and 'Lib round out my top 4 at the time being.

ALL I WAS SAYING
>IS DON'T DIS EVERYBODY ELSE
>FOR LOOPING BUT BIG UP
>JAY!

I/We don't!! I personally diss loopers that use loops that are too common or easy to find. Besides Loopdigga, 98% of you cats will never find any of the shit Jay loops. Ever!! He's too slick with his sample choices. Of course you'll find *some*, but the good loops........never.

Thanks for the info
>on CB4...any other tracks? I
>mean Jay has a track
>record of almost 100 beats,
>and he's ONLY played on
>one...and a wack one @
>that...maybe that's why he doesn't
>play so much....thanks...

Matter of opinion. CB4 is ill as fuck to me. The drums sound sloppily clean and the melody is hynotic. The only wack beat on Vol.2 is "Eyes Up".

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you worry 'bout the wrong thangs, the wrong thang.

What the heck is "sloppily clean?"

>What the heck is "sloppily clean?"

Since he's playing the drums, they got a dirty, unpolished feel to them, but at the same time, the snares crack like butta.


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you worry 'bout the wrong thangs, the wrong thang.

I guess this is where cats differ...I feel you on things being dirty, but sloppy no haps! I've gotten into it with Quest before, with him saying that Rza's sloppy isn't done on purpose but Jay's sloppy is on purpose?!?!?! Why be sloppy on purpose? If it's sloppy, it'sloppy. The moral, when I make beats yeah I want them to sound dirty but I can't give you props for being sloppy...I don't care whoo it is...

>I guess this is where cats
>differ...I feel you on things
>being dirty, but sloppy no
>haps! I've gotten into it
>with Quest before, with him
>saying that Rza's sloppy isn't
>done on purpose but Jay's
>sloppy is on purpose?!?!?! Why
>be sloppy on purpose? If
>it's sloppy, it'sloppy. The moral,
>when I make beats yeah
>I want them to sound
>dirty but I can't give
>you props for being sloppy...I
>don't care whoo it is...

RZA is sloppy/dirty on purpose. What ?uest said was RZA's shit it offbeat on accident, while Jay quantisizes (sp?) his snares to swing early on purpose. Sloppy can be dope, which is evident through RZA who has built his career on a sloppy yet ill sound.


"My precision is immaculate, I'm not a pretty boy I'm Timbs and backpackin' it!" - KRS

"Some niggas be samplin' the same ass shit. Some niggas be loopin' up them played out hits. But that's more for me, plus the peeps I'm down with"-Madlib

"Baatin, nigga come back to earth"-Dilla

"COME ON FEET!!!"

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you worry 'bout the wrong thangs, the wrong thang.

>Ya'll kinda slow round here....

Haha...We're not slow, you're preaching to the choir...All I meant by the title thing is that this isn't really a post about the Soulquarians, its a post about Jay Dee...

I have
>NO PROBLEM WITH JAY LOOPING!!!!!!!!
>I KNOW JAY HAS AN
>OBSCURE EAR FOR SAMPLES!!! BUT
>SO DOES PRIM, PETE, MADLIB
>AND A TON OF OTHER
>PRODUCERS!!!! ALL I WAS SAYING
>IS DON'T DIS EVERYBODY ELSE
>FOR LOOPING BUT BIG UP
>JAY!

I dunno who does this but next time you see it you should call em out...


Thanks for the info
>on CB4...any other tracks? I
>mean Jay has a track
>record of almost 100 beats,
>and he's ONLY played on
>one...and a wack one @
>that...maybe that's why he doesn't
>play so much....thanks...

Just curious--what exactly did ?uest say about Jay-Dee playing? B/c that seems to be the center of your frustration about him being given 'undeserved' props...

The Soulquarians as a whole do play stuff, along with sampling...I'm not aware of them ever saying everything they do is 100% original...Doesn't make it any less good, I don't think...There was an article by ?uest in Vibe a while back about the making of D's record (or was it the liner notes? can't remember)...Anyway, he said their creative process on that record was, they would usually start the night playing Prince covers or whoever, and then start improvising over that, and keep jamming, and those jams would eventually morph into new material, some of which appeared on the album...

I still give them mad props, like I said just cause its a cover/interpolation doesn't make it easier to play or less relevant...Whatever their doing, the proof is in the pudding--the end results are tight. I think that's why cats are feeling their R&B stuff more than some of the other producers--it just sounds good...

peace

Iz


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peace

Iz

>Thw whole reason I brought up
>the whole "Didn't You Know"
>sample jack was because cats
>on this board was saying
>how much better a "R&B"
>producer Jay is and using
>"Didn't You Know" as a
>measuring stick...so like I said
>BEFORE I thought Jay played
>something, wrote some music cause
>EVERYONE round here was acting
>like Jay did something "SPECIAL"
>for Erykah...all Jay did is
>the same thing Pete would've
>done but Quest insists that
>Jay is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better
>then Pete or Prim or
>anyone for that matter cause
>Jay plays instruments. Not because
>he has a bigger/better record
>collection. Not because his drums
>are better. Not because he
>freaks the SP better. Just
>because he can play, and
>oh yeah cause Pete doesn't
>know how to use the
>MPC yet?!?! But AGAIN I've
>never heard a Jay track
>where he straight up and
>down PLAYED something. I remember
>Quest saying Pete had a
>chance to get on Voodoo
>and other Soulquarian projects but
>didn't come with it. Well,
>I guess he just didn't
>LOOP the right thing huh?
>
if you reread that HITECK VS JAYDEE post i got after
quest for the same reason, alot of cats speaking on jaydee
dont know any better but quest should. if you dont dig you
really cant speak on jay because he loops alot of shit. i love his work, but you gotta understand they dont know...
i played the record jay used for "fuck the police" for a
huge jaydee fan and he was shocked it wasnt some crazy chop
but a simple loop drums and all

so when people say "yeah but the roots dont sample" i
let it slide cause i know they dont know that's bob james
floating in the background of "double trouble". these same
cats dissed common last record for being too LIVE when most
of that was samples. to me that's where jay's strengh lies.
samples so rare, different and flipped you think he playing
some off the wall shit then when you think it's a sample it's
him playing.

intro the fantastic voyage vol 2 keys
(this is jay playing and it's sound like a loop)

nag champa
(this sounds all live but it's a sample)


buying old records is a habit, but if i can't afford to pay i'll bag it -juju

He would never sign with a NL team at this point in his career, after he's hit a million fucking batters. Obviously its a different story coming straight out of high school dumbass - 3xCrazy on Roger Clemens 6/2002

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Please I was beefin with Quest just as much in that Jay vs. Hi Tek post...I was just under my man Jas's log in name cuz I lost my password...but good looking for understand what I was saying...REALLY the moral was...there's nothing wrong with looping...we (producers) all do it including Jay Dee and the Souls...nuff said...

no doubt, loops aint going nowhere. i love when cats
holla bout most of their stuff is keys(ie reflection
eternal) when i know damn well that shit is loops.
hell i even read in time magazine dre state "i dont
sample". i was like what the fuck???!!?

dre just cause your crew redid "the edge" it's sounds just like
when V.I.C looped it


another pet peeve,all these keyboard cats shitting on
sampling on some swizz beats "i dont sample" well
if you aint playing that flute, you sampling. what
the difference than jacking a hubert laws loop and
playing some chessy casio flute pad. cats like that
kill me and can get the dick




buying old records is a habit, but if i can't afford to pay i'll bag it -juju

He would never sign with a NL team at this point in his career, after he's hit a million fucking batters. Obviously its a different story coming straight out of high school dumbass - 3xCrazy on Roger Clemens 6/2002

http://www.myspace.com/djmillsbmore

I remember on another post aminute ago, you asked if I was Kil from WEAA...I am...we fam?

yeah i came up to the studio a few time with some interns
when you held it down with sam, lil mike and titan.

buying old records is a habit, but if i can't afford to pay i'll bag it -juju

He would never sign with a NL team at this point in his career, after he's hit a million fucking batters. Obviously its a different story coming straight out of high school dumbass - 3xCrazy on Roger Clemens 6/2002

http://www.myspace.com/djmillsbmore

What's your name fam? Who'd you come through with? My styles is the toad style...

>What's your name fam? Who'd you
>come through with? My styles
>is the toad style...

check your inbox, kill


buying old records is a habit, but if i can't afford to pay i'll bag it -juju

He would never sign with a NL team at this point in his career, after he's hit a million fucking batters. Obviously its a different story coming straight out of high school dumbass - 3xCrazy on Roger Clemens 6/2002

http://www.myspace.com/djmillsbmore

I agree with you, dig the points you made, but a true hip-hop head must prop up the individual who digs and comes up with a jewel, in most cases, resurrecting interest in forgotten genres. I think looping gets the bump wheel because of cats sampling songs that got played to death 5, 10, 20 years ago and going for the skrilla(Why did Jennifer Lopez even kcuf with the Craig Mack joint?). I don't think that looping is above pure composition, but it is a component of hip-hop's foundation(see "The Breaks", "Rapper's Delight", "Planet Rock", etc.). The looper is inspired by another's musical rendering and so is the composer. Like hell D was not influenced by Marvin Gaye(Spanish Joint). They both express their admiration for another. The composer is just a lot more subtle. I loop joints myself just for fun, but because I love to hear the breaks go on and on. That is why Flash started marking his records and extending breaks. He did it not for a buck, but because he wanted to return to that moment when the music moved him over and over. And then he gave the discovery to the world for free.



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