Many of us always talk about the "manufactured" stars out there who become major artists and even icons. The ones mentioned are usually women, which is another topic, but those such as Madonna, Rihanna, Beyonce, even Aaliyah and Ashanti.

As much as we talk about them as if it discredits their talent...we know that there are a thousand other artists who were given the same type of mold and didn't succeed for other reasons.

Who are some of these artists that you can think of who were almost "add water and stir" and should have made some impact, but failed? It can be R&B, Pop, Rock, or Rap.

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Man.....its so many. Most one hit wonders are "manufatured" to me thats why it was one hit and then..............peace ...lol..

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you would have actually put stock in like "they're up NEXT!" Even if it's like a Jaguar Wright type

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Dirty Money, Day 26, Donnie, The Band and Danity Kane...ok...that is Puff's stable

All of Young Money outside of Drake, Wayne and Minaj

I have more to come........these are some that were truly made out of cereal and milk..lol

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not gonna be nearly as big as them but he's doing good for his lane.

I was def thinking about EVERY group from "Making the band" though

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all the pop shit...

Colby O Donnis
Jay Sean
The weird chick with black and blonde hair

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>Many of us always talk about the "manufactured" stars out
>there who become major artists and even icons. The ones
>mentioned are usually women, which is another topic, but those
>such as Madonna, Rihanna, Beyonce, even Aaliyah and Ashanti.
>
>As much as we talk about them as if it discredits their
>talent...we know that there are a thousand other artists who
>were given the same type of mold and didn't succeed for other
>reasons.
>
>Who are some of these artists that you can think of who were
>almost "add water and stir" and should have made some impact,
>but failed? It can be R&B, Pop, Rock, or Rap.

It's probably one of the few times I can say this; her being white was a disadvantage.

Her album was just a dash too r&b for a period where pop scarlets were keeping not r&b outside of the first single, lol.

just last week I was at the gym and a new(er) video of hers was on one of the TVs and I was thinking to myself "shit, I forgot she existed". Cause I remember back in like 06 or 07 my guilty pleasure was that I loved her track "Too Little Too Late" and thought that she was gonna be something pretty decent ---- and then I literally never heard a thing from her or about her again until just last week at the gym.

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she's sooooo made for R&B radio...if anybody could make money being this generation's poor imitation of teena marie, it's JoJo. she could have straight R&B hits for years, i tell ya.

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and she can still sing... I'm def still rooting for her

or reality tv shows (American Idol, Making The Band, etc.)

I guess I'm referring to those who the companies pushed, threw in commercials, magazines, gave em guest features, etc etc etc

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To me Big Sean. I guess he has a lane but I dont see him being around long.

Pusha T ....Kanye gave him and Sean spot in the light...not sure how long or if they will be relevant a year from now..I know Pusha has Clipse fame to fall back on though...

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man, i remember Big Sean doing a show on my school's quad in 2009 for literally 14 people, 8 of which came to seem my homie open for him.

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there are/were lots of acts who were a label's answer to ____'s popularity through similar sound/image/packing & presentation.

for example, MYRON, was an oft, if not totally forgotten act (by anyone under 35) that was island records answer to d'angelo/maxwell/raphael saadiq.

and remember all those kid rap groups from 91/92?
da youngstaz, illegal, mobb deep, etc.
they were various labels cash-in on the success of kris-kross.
who, was jermaine durpi's cash-in on the success of michael bivens' group another bad creation.

da brat was jermaine dupri's answer to snoop dogg.
"funkdafied" was their answer to "nothin but a g thang"
and lil romeo was master p's answer to the success of lil bow wow.

choppa (not to be confused with the guy who works jos. a bank) was master p's very thinly-veiled answer to nelly.

j. cole was imo jay-z's answer to drake/charles hamilton (who still had priority with jimmy in those days).

foxy brown was def jam's answer to lil kim, who they luckily launched at exactly the same time kim herself was preparing her debut album, confusing the "who came first?" question to anyone not paying attention.

L was def jam's early answer to mc shan

chubb rock, dare i say was somebody at a label's answer to heavy d, despite being talented in his own right.

the beastie boys were a white cash-in on run-dmc's sound a la new edition -> new kids on the block.

ditto for public enemy -> 3rd base.

nwa had enough differences to avoid comparisons but they were obviously inspired by the beastie boys & public enemy.
this is especially apparent if you've ever heard any old dr. dre mixtapes or ice cube's group C.I.A.

i mean i could keep going ("oh my god keep going!!" � just blaze) but the bigger issue is simple cause & effect in music/the music industry.
and the attempt to calculate and minimize risk on... art. lol.
but usually when something makes an impact and succeeds to some degree there will be cash-ins, other label's "answer" to the popularity.
in the 00's mainstream rap music was almost exclusively made up of that sonically because of how lucrative it had become after the late 90's.

>there are/were lots of acts who were a label's answer to
>____'s popularity through similar sound/image/packing &
>presentation.
>
>for example, MYRON, was an oft, if not totally forgotten act
>(by anyone under 35) that was island records answer to
>d'angelo/maxwell/raphael saadiq.

Shit, I remember the name and that's it.

>and remember all those kid rap groups from 91/92?
>da youngstaz, illegal, mobb deep, etc.
>they were various labels cash-in on the success of
>kris-kross.
>who, was jermaine durpi's cash-in on the success of michael
>bivens' group another bad creation.

I don't even remember those rip off groups LOL...was this Mobb Deep different from Prodigy and Havoc?? I assume so

>da brat was jermaine dupri's answer to snoop dogg.
>"funkdafied" was their answer to "nothin but a g thang"
>and lil romeo was master p's answer to the success of lil bow
>wow.

Yep Romeo was a direct response, even though I feel he would have come out anyway. Master P did have a group "Lil soldiers" the year before Bow Wow dropped. And Brat was a female Snoop, dope as hell tho

>choppa (not to be confused with the guy who works jos. a bank)
>was master p's very thinly-veiled answer to nelly.

Hmm you think so? Thing that's interesting is that people say Nelly stole that New Orleans bounce singing style, and Choppa was actually from New Orleans, so a lot of folks felt he was more authentic.

>j. cole was imo jay-z's answer to drake/charles hamilton (who
>still had priority with jimmy in those days).

Hmm possibly so

>foxy brown was def jam's answer to lil kim, who they luckily
>launched at exactly the same time kim herself was preparing
>her debut album, confusing the "who came first?" question to
>anyone not paying attention.

Crazy to think, and I didn't realize sales were SO close til an article a few months ago that talked about their rivalry and Nicki. They were basically even.

>L was def jam's early answer to mc shan

WTF, never knew that

>chubb rock, dare i say was somebody at a label's answer to
>heavy d, despite being talented in his own right.

Wow, aside from the name, I can definitely see the similarity.

>the beastie boys were a white cash-in on run-dmc's sound a la
>new edition -> new kids on the block.

Hmm, possibly so yeah.

>ditto for public enemy -> 3rd base.

Never thought about that

>nwa had enough differences to avoid comparisons but they were
>obviously inspired by the beastie boys & public enemy.
>this is especially apparent if you've ever heard any old dr.
>dre mixtapes or ice cube's group C.I.A.

NWA was together right when PE became big, right? I know the CIA music sounded a LOOOT like NWA, especially how Cube was rapping, talkin about "the girlies" n that

>i mean i could keep going ("oh my god keep going!!" � just
>blaze) but the bigger issue is simple cause & effect in
>music/the music industry.
>and the attempt to calculate and minimize risk on... art.
>lol.
>but usually when something makes an impact and succeeds to
>some degree there will be cash-ins, other label's "answer" to
>the popularity.
>in the 00's mainstream rap music was almost exclusively made
>up of that sonically because of how lucrative it had become
>after the late 90's.
>

I'd also add Miracle who I felt was a DIRECT response to Mystikal and Drama.

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It is referring to their Juvenile Hell album, before they found their lane with the Infamous. Even though you could hear the potential, they were just thrown in with a bunch of dope producers that probably just mailed in beats for them.

it, it did feel kinda Kris Kross...like young kiddy street, and they were really dancing like them too. Shit

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yeah that was funny as shit, since they had a couple of years up on those guys.

you're probably right, but still...

other than that, I agree/am indifferent about everything else you posted...

"Destiny" was cold, as was the whole debut, and his stuff with "the Works" is slammin too

...i never thought of him being manufactured in THAT way tho

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but he didn't have the jawline to withstand the heat after his 2nd single fizzled.

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Not the same type of music at all. Eagle-Eye wasn't a retro-rocker but rather a "MOR 90's rock" guy.

There was a promise, but,,,,,,

much sexier and that's all that matters to me when you're music is that plain

I'm sure either of them could sing Umbrella

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>much sexier and that's all that matters to me when you're
>music is that plain
>
>I'm sure either of them could sing Umbrella

I don't know if they necessarily fit the topic of the post, but yea, both those girls just need hits to sing & they'd be there. only problem is Mya's 32, Milian's 30 & Rihanna's only 24. it may not sound like much, but Rihanna gets that 16-25 "I'm an independent woman" x ratchet girls crowd

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milan choose that record with young jeezy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpU0QVpg3Mk

instead of this rihanna record 'sos': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXmF4GbA86E

after that defjam dropped her

Say I was kinda big tho, obviously no SOS

she bucked at 'SOS' because she wanted to be hood
when SOS got huge they got rid of her.
folks said she was mad diva-ish because of her acting career and rihanna had the potential to be a bigger star, which ended up being true

I'd argue that Mya made it. Well, to a point. She was doing really well for herself, and then she kind of disappeared. She came out when R&B and pop weren't so intertwined, but it isn't like ol' girl didn't have a few albums that did pretty well.

>There was a promise, but,,,,,,


Nah...Mya has actual hits and albums that sold...She had the success she was supposed to have....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

that was a decent album to me too.

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

>that was a decent album to me too.

odd squad = the pharcyde
yall so stupid = the pharcyde
wascalz = the phracyde

the pharcyde had a ton of people cashing in.
just evidences how original they were.

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remember the blac monks after bone thugs n harmony blew up?
they had a bunch of others...
no limit too.
and then remember death row's comeback strategy circa 1998/1999?
knock-offs of their biggest rappers in top dogg and the realest?
what a business man suge knight was... lol.
he seemed determined to single-handedly kill off their massive white dollar market share as quickly as he could.
did you know the chronic 2000 went PLATINUM? lol.
but everything after that...? yeah.

that whole Top Dogg shit was laughable then and even more laughable in retrospect. I had blocked that whole shit out of my mind. Thanks for the reminder, haha.

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>that whole Top Dogg shit was laughable then and even more
>laughable in retrospect. I blocked that out of my mind. Thanks
>for the reminder, haha.


the bigger picture though...

suge knight represents the chronic 2000 sold over a million copies.
like put that into perspective, the biggest rap album today barely scraps over 1.0-1.5.
suge knight, with a roster of nobodies and knock-offs of his own former successes sold a million fucking records with no single in rotation.

definitely "different" times.
how many of their pre-established white fanbase do you think bought that album and then never bought another death row or even another rap album ever again?

Yea I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that there was a lot of noise on the internet and stuff about how Dre had to change the title of his album cause of Suge and Death Row...and also just the Death Row name which still resonated in the industry to a certain degree. But you're right - crazy that it sold like it did regardless, especially considering what you said about the label being a bunch of no names/wanna-be's and shit like that.

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>Yea I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that there
>was a lot of noise on the internet and stuff about how Dre had
>to change the title of his album cause of Suge and Death
>Row...and also just the Death Row name which still resonated
>in the industry to a certain degree. But you're right - crazy
>that it sold like it did regardless, especially considering
>what you said about the label being a bunch of no
>names/wanna-be's and shit like that.

it had NO single in national video/radio rotation either.
it sold purely on the reputation of the name of the chronic/death row.
that album should be listed in chapter 1 of how to kill your fanbase off in as few moves as possible.

...at a time where independents were releasing anything they had with Pac on it. That definitely accounted for a lot of sales. Quiks Late Night was dope, and the only track I can remember off hand from Chronic 2000

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I always figured them for a Gravediggaz rip-off though...

>>that was a decent album to me too.
>
>odd squad = the pharcyde
>yall so stupid = the pharcyde
>wascalz = the phracyde
>
>the pharcyde had a ton of people cashing in.
>just evidences how original they were.

hip version of Pharcyde to me.
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I bought their cd after hearing 'honeydrips in gotham'.

Has she deaded dat corny "robotic" schtick yet?

And I'm not the type who likes that hybrid style. Just give me straight Soul/R&B, or straight Rock, or shit straight Blue grass. But all at once is too much. "Say you'll go" is greatness, and "Neon Valley Street" is pretty dope. But a lot of her songs did too much to hit me.

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what makes her manufactured?

dude

Could be that eclectic/hipster vibe she tends to portray through her image. Just doesn't seem honest, like does she behave like that in real life!?!

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even that, prince was still grounded.

>even that, prince was still grounded.


man i saw her around atl before she released her first albums and she was the same way,

someone said about lenny kravitz he seem to be overwhelmed by his influences i kind of feel the same about her

she has talent but is just trying to hard

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not that he isnt talented. but the second he got on Shady. He was so non-subtley shoved down our throats by every major publication, and no one bit.

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The avatar is old. And, no, that hat was not a groovy style back then, either.

and krit has yet to reach potential, so yela is gonna obviously be underachieving
yela, rittz, & jackie chain success rode to strong on krits success
b.o.b. went completely pop to break out

Barbara Randolph.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Randolph

She was an actress (best known for a bit part as the assistant maid in "Guest Who's Coming to Dinner?") and a singer. She spent most of her career as a fill-in or replacement for other artists in group acts: she replaced Zola Taylor in The Platters, and was signed to Motown to replace Diana Ross in The Supremes in 1966.

When Berry Gordy decided to keep Ross in the group a while longer (she was finally pulled out in 1969), the plan then shifted to possibly hiring Randolph to replace Flo Ballard. Ross didn't like Randolph, so they snatched Cindy Birdsong from Patti LaBelle & the Blue-Belles instead.

Now technically without a purpose for being singed to Motown (a solo female singer on Motown in that era was more or less ignored as far as development and getting good records went in favor of Diana Ross - Martha Reeves and Gladys Knight will tell you that), Randolph briefly subbed for Tammi Terrell on the road with Marvin Gaye after Terrell fell ill. She recorded a few sides for Motown's Soul label (both A-sides were covers of stock H-D-H tunes: "I Got a Feeling" and "Can I Get a Witness") and faded into obscurity. This is her version of "I Got a Feeling", which I prefer to the Four Tops' hit version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV_cs-T2Y-Q&feature=topics

More random trivia: her adoptive mother is Lillian Randolph, a radio/film actress from the 1940s probably best infamously remembered today as the voice of the black maid in the "Tom & Jerry " cartoons.

...i'm not saying she was the most original, and that she didn't have help finding her own voice, but...c'mon son....

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Missy Elliott mode.

Missy actually has a long line of artists she's run through (heh)where she's writing and producing most/all of their material, they're signed to her label, and pay a lot of dues singing backup on her albums. Granted, a lot of these girls were talented, but they didn't have their own sound or style. They had Missy's.

Tweet and Jazmine Sullivan are the only two of the bunch with enough of their own style to not fall (all the way) into the Missy Elliott trap/curse.

....and she still does that with Jasmine, please don't think she isn't....AND Tweet....but the Nicole Wray music after the first record isn't as Missy driven, and even on the first album she has her own voice .....

...if anyone is Missy's musical new mouthpiece it's Jasmine...look at what she was doing b4 missy came around thaen after...it's night and day....

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she was artsy-fartsy-slumming it in the downtown scene in NY late70s-ealry80s.

if i'm wrong i wont care, i just see her making her self what she is with label help. if that's manufactured, than all gold acts are

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