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"The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Order"
Fri May-16-14 11:18 AM by okpdan

          

The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin
In Stores Monday 19 May
Def Jam Recordings

iTunes Pre-Order / "When The People Cheer" http://smarturl.it/iATYSYC

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171 Theme From Middle of the Night (Nina Simone song)
172 Never (feat. Patty Crash)
173 When the People Cheer (feat. Modesty Lycan & Greg Porn)
174 The Devil (Mary Lou Williams song)
175 Black Rock (feat. Dice Raw)
176 Understand (feat. Dice Raw & Greg Porn)
177 Dies Irae (Michel Chion song)
178 The Coming (feat. Mercedes Martinez)
179 The Dark (Trinity)
180 The Unraveling (feat. Raheem DeVaughn)
181 Tomorrow (feat. Raheem DeVaughn)

iTunes Pre-Order / "When The People Cheer" http://smarturl.it/iATYSYC

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Official "When the People Cheer" lyric video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQGgnzIYHYA

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Good to see Mercedes still working with them
May 06th 2014
1
i had the same thought
May 06th 2014
5
ummm 1-11?
May 06th 2014
2
I had the same thought
May 06th 2014
6
They stopped that sequencing yeaaaaars ago
May 07th 2014
7
It got challenging when The Roots
May 08th 2014
8
      i wouldn't
May 08th 2014
9
      *shrug* sure, why not?
May 09th 2014
10
      yeah, I knew I wasn't crazy
May 09th 2014
11
           It's not nitpicking IMO
May 12th 2014
13
                there are tracks in that prior numbering system
May 14th 2014
34
on Malcolm x day!
May 06th 2014
3
i was hoping tomorrow would be the last song
May 06th 2014
4
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 12th 2014
12
album is now streaming
May 13th 2014
14
About halfway through...
May 13th 2014
15
halfway as well
May 13th 2014
16
it has me confused
May 13th 2014
17
First impressions after 1 listen...
May 13th 2014
18
about to listen now but a lack of thought scares me I must say
May 13th 2014
23
      It's a calculated lack of thought, if you will.
May 13th 2014
25
So is it significantly different than their last few albums?
May 13th 2014
19
      IMO, not really
May 13th 2014
20
I need mobile friendly stream. Soundcloud?
May 13th 2014
26
WTF did I just listen to!??!
May 13th 2014
27
      Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?
May 14th 2014
59
           RE: Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?
May 16th 2014
81
i fucking love the roots-
May 13th 2014
21
people ask for god, until the day he comes-
May 13th 2014
22
"SO GREAT"- J. Fallon
May 13th 2014
24
&TYSYC = If undun fucked Phrenology
May 13th 2014
28
I want more Thought too but...
May 13th 2014
30
      RE: I want more Thought too but...
May 14th 2014
67
BLACK ROCK tho
May 13th 2014
29
Diamonds In Da Ruff used that sample better
May 13th 2014
31
Dig most of the album from 1st stream listen
May 13th 2014
32
the dark and black rock are my early favs
May 14th 2014
35
Really bad
May 14th 2014
33
I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt
May 14th 2014
36
I agree
May 14th 2014
37
i also agree
May 14th 2014
40
RE: I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt
May 14th 2014
41
i agree
May 14th 2014
42
I luh ya Dice Raw... but....
May 14th 2014
38
Maybe there's a companion album?
May 14th 2014
39
RE: Maybe there's a companion album?
May 14th 2014
68
For those of you who don't like it but still copping...
May 14th 2014
43
Roots LP's take time for me to ingest.
May 14th 2014
46
      yeah their albums usually take time for me
May 14th 2014
48
      but repeated listens won't reveal more Black Thought will it?
May 14th 2014
53
           i just listened for the third time and they added 4 thought verses
May 14th 2014
56
Aye can we get this Thought again on an album
May 14th 2014
44
Money Making Jam Boys Mixtape is the best Roots album since...
May 14th 2014
45
the last roots album
May 15th 2014
73
since Rising Down
May 19th 2014
113
Sigh
May 14th 2014
58
Day 2 of binge-listening
May 14th 2014
47
what's the concept?
May 14th 2014
49
      The genius must be over your head brah, you just don't get it.
May 14th 2014
50
      ^^^^This
May 14th 2014
52
           I'd personally go with HIGO over RD
May 14th 2014
55
           whats so confusing about Undun?
May 15th 2014
79
                It's not confusing at all...just poorly done
May 16th 2014
83
                     i think you missed a lot of the lyrics
May 16th 2014
89
                          you're proving my point...
May 16th 2014
95
                               RE: you're proving my point...
May 23rd 2014
162
      I didn't catch the concept either but here's this (link)
May 14th 2014
51
      so...they can't even explain this concept? got it
May 14th 2014
54
      I got a concept for the next album, HOT SHIT, HA HA HOT SHIT!!!
May 14th 2014
57
      I guess it's a theme more than a concept.
May 14th 2014
64
May 14th 2014
60
reading that I'm thinking Quest done finally jump that shark
May 14th 2014
61
RE: reading that I"m think Quest done finally jump that shark
May 14th 2014
62
...
May 14th 2014
63
May 14th 2014
65
      That's... accurate.
May 14th 2014
66
One issue I'm having with this album is
May 14th 2014
69
not all albums have to do that
May 14th 2014
70
      RE: not all albums have to do that
May 14th 2014
71
Another great album by The Roots
May 15th 2014
72
A Haunting History Lesson with Your Hip Hop (NYTimes Swipe)
May 15th 2014
74
Second listen,
May 15th 2014
75
I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ...
May 15th 2014
76
RE: I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ...
May 16th 2014
88
interesting album...thought bodied his little appearances and the sound
May 15th 2014
77
that's how I felt after the first listen...
May 16th 2014
80
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 15th 2014
78
First listen, I like it a lot. It's ambitious. But I wanna know....
May 16th 2014
82
lol
May 22nd 2014
153
I never knew Undun was wack until coming here.
May 16th 2014
84
i loved undun
May 16th 2014
86
adding my support for Undun as well. haha
May 16th 2014
97
      me 2..HIGO and undun was good albums..folks acting like the roots
May 19th 2014
112
One of my favorite albums of the past five years
May 19th 2014
104
video for Understand
May 16th 2014
85
I watched the first 40 seconds only
May 16th 2014
87
going off of the apparently satirical vein of the album...
May 16th 2014
90
cause he trapped in the dark
May 16th 2014
91
Most of these hooks are downright cringeworthy
May 16th 2014
92
i like it. i want to listen to it.
May 16th 2014
93
Don't have a computer to listen
May 16th 2014
94
strong record
May 16th 2014
96
I agree with pretty much everything here
May 16th 2014
98
I love the record...trying to figure out the characters though...
May 17th 2014
99
after one listen, already digging the sound of this MUCH more than
May 17th 2014
100
Tomorrow has been on repeat for a bit
May 18th 2014
101
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 18th 2014
102
Most likely a stupid question
May 19th 2014
103
not 100% sure why it's out, but today *is* Malcolm X's birthday..
May 19th 2014
105
      I'm sure Coldplay and Brody Dalle don't know it's Malcolm X's birthday.....
May 19th 2014
106
           hahaha fair enough.. i tried
May 19th 2014
107
Why are they afraid to make rap music?
May 19th 2014
108
folk need to stop fronting
May 19th 2014
109
      eh, first 3 tracks of Rising Down were HEAT
May 20th 2014
127
Here's my review
May 19th 2014
110
After two spins, I'm really feeling this. Easily my favorite since GT.
May 19th 2014
111
Easily the Worst Roots album!
May 19th 2014
114
Loving the album - but why do we get less BT each album?
May 19th 2014
115
NO MORE DICE RAW HOOKS PLEASE
May 19th 2014
116
^^^^
May 24th 2014
165
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 20th 2014
117
This is weird for me to say but. . .
May 20th 2014
118
yeah i'm just not sure how i feel about this one
May 20th 2014
119
oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is
May 20th 2014
120
      RE: oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is
May 20th 2014
121
      i'm sure they've heard the complaints
May 20th 2014
122
           RE: i'm sure they've heard the complaints
May 20th 2014
123
                Yo....
May 20th 2014
126
                     RE: Yo....
May 20th 2014
130
                     you should listen to Black Rock drunk
May 22nd 2014
151
      dice singing
May 20th 2014
124
pretty much
May 22nd 2014
145
ITs official. . . This album is just not very good
Jun 07th 2014
197
really liking this one
May 20th 2014
125
im still reserving judgment until i hear it on good speakers...
May 20th 2014
128
I almost cut it off after the first track
May 20th 2014
129
4th listen
May 21st 2014
131
re: lack of BT and BT being listed as a coproducer on every song
May 21st 2014
132
i would think so
May 21st 2014
133
Same way I felt.
May 21st 2014
134
Conversely, seems like ?uest had LESS input
May 21st 2014
135
I think you'll find the answer to this here:
May 21st 2014
137
      so Richard Nichols, Greg P.O.R.N. & Dice Raw do most of the leg work?
May 21st 2014
138
           Ya, that's how I read it too
May 21st 2014
139
                RE: Ya, that's how I read it too
May 21st 2014
142
                     ^^^
May 22nd 2014
157
This Grantland article is the best I've read about the LP
May 21st 2014
136
Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first....
May 21st 2014
140
      RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first.....
May 21st 2014
141
      RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first.....
May 21st 2014
143
      cmon dude
May 22nd 2014
147
      seriously
May 22nd 2014
144
      as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single...
May 22nd 2014
146
           Explain this ---> TFA is also highly overrated
May 22nd 2014
148
           why not?
May 22nd 2014
152
           RE: as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single...
May 22nd 2014
149
           Fam...log off or explain below.
May 22nd 2014
150
           that's the thing...opinions can vary
May 22nd 2014
154
           who is being a "fan police"?
May 22nd 2014
158
I went to target on Tuesday to get the album and couldn't find
May 22nd 2014
155
Since everyone's craving more Black Thought now would be a
May 22nd 2014
156
"Listen & Then U Shot Ya-Self" Should've Been The Title
May 23rd 2014
159
what an asinine statement
May 23rd 2014
161
I don't think they are trying to please hipsters
May 23rd 2014
164
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 23rd 2014
160
First Roots album in 21 years that I regret purchasing....
May 23rd 2014
163
Played All the Previews on iTunes
May 24th 2014
166
Welcome back
May 26th 2014
170
i'm sure you know this but snippets won't do
May 28th 2014
179
Not sure yet
May 25th 2014
167
A couple positive reviews
May 25th 2014
168
you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.
May 25th 2014
169
haha.
May 26th 2014
172
this album is getting more hate than the tipping point
May 26th 2014
171
I agree about time being kind to this album
May 26th 2014
173
ATYSYC makes Phrenology sound like a State Property album
May 26th 2014
174
thing is, i don't totally disagree with all the criticism.
May 26th 2014
176
good post
May 26th 2014
175
^^^this is where i am with this record
May 27th 2014
178
These past 3 albums have gotten increasingly more religious,
May 27th 2014
177
i like it but their albums seem more and more detached
May 28th 2014
180
Still haven't gotten the pre-order vinyl
May 28th 2014
181
Got it today, and it was worth the wait
May 30th 2014
190
I actually really like this album
May 29th 2014
182
this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove
May 29th 2014
183
RE: this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove
May 29th 2014
184
the OKP or the album?
May 30th 2014
185
      i'm guessing you are in the minority on this one
May 30th 2014
186
how DUMB
May 30th 2014
188
      wait. stop the presses. Questlove is BLACK?!?!?
May 31st 2014
191
           yeah...you not very smart
Jun 01st 2014
193
                and, you not good with grammar.
Jun 01st 2014
194
I didn't like Undun at first but now love it
May 30th 2014
187
I feel the exact same way on everything you said nm
May 30th 2014
189
i don't think i really liked anything i heard
May 31st 2014
192
LOL
Jun 01st 2014
195
its funny how a lot of non okayplayers like this album
Jun 05th 2014
196
Could you link some of these?
Jun 12th 2014
198
This is really bad
Jun 14th 2014
199
So a month later is anybody still listening to this?
Jun 14th 2014
200
yes
Jun 20th 2014
204
I still listen occasionally
Jun 21st 2014
208
yes
Jun 23rd 2014
213
I love the new album
Jun 15th 2014
201
Understand
Jun 21st 2014
207
WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?
Jun 19th 2014
202
RE: WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?
Jun 19th 2014
203
black rock
Jun 20th 2014
205
Black Rock, Understand, Tomorrow
Jun 20th 2014
206
What's interesting is how different album cycles are for them now
Jun 21st 2014
209
i just have issues w/ this seeming desire that artists do what *we*
Jun 21st 2014
210
      I mean, I get that
Jun 21st 2014
211
           you definitley make a good point
Jun 21st 2014
212
THE COMING?
Jun 25th 2014
214
this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde
Jun 26th 2014
215
RE: this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde
Jun 27th 2014
217
love it
Jun 27th 2014
216
That's my second fav joint from the album
Jun 30th 2014
219
this album is actually really good. takes a while to grow on you.
Jun 29th 2014
218
It's better than Undun. Still in that space HIGO was for me
Jul 06th 2014
220
it was absolute garbage then, still is
Oct 19th 2015
224
How do you feel about this album in 2015?
Oct 18th 2015
221
Still listen to it regularly, & now that winter's coming even more n/m
Oct 19th 2015
222
Just listened to it for a first time in a while
Oct 19th 2015
223
absolute garbage then, still is
Oct 19th 2015
225
^^^^^
Oct 19th 2015
229
RE: How do you feel about this album in 2015?
Oct 19th 2015
226
Haven't listened to it in a bit, but I still liked it well enough last I...
Oct 19th 2015
227
Tomorrow? Flames. The rest? Meh nm
Oct 19th 2015
228
No joke, no snark, I don't remember a single song from it
Oct 19th 2015
230
^^^
Oct 22nd 2015
235
funny enough, I just revisited this album yesterday
Oct 19th 2015
231
didn't really dig it when it came out.
Oct 20th 2015
232
I dont want to get banned.
Oct 20th 2015
233
I can't sit through the whole album anymore
Oct 22nd 2015
234
zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
Oct 28th 2015
236
RE: ... and the anonymous nobody
Sep 13th 2016
237
I'm re-listening to this right now
Sep 13th 2016
238
      The rest of the album:
Sep 13th 2016
239
gonna listen again
Sep 15th 2016
240
same here... De La got me going back to these 00/10's Roots LPs.....
Sep 15th 2016
241
It finally hit me...
Sep 17th 2016
242
this is a sentiment I've seen elsewhere; I think it's overblown
Oct 27th 2016
245
Dilla only did Dynamite
Jun 05th 2017
251
      True
Jun 05th 2017
253
YouTube vid of ?uest describing the album's themes and structure
Sep 17th 2016
243
How do you feel about this album in 2016?
Oct 27th 2016
244
Shouts to De La, once the ...and the anonymous nobody ended, my itunes
Oct 29th 2016
246
I missed this last year. It's really well written.
Jun 03rd 2017
250
      thank you.
Jun 05th 2017
252
I still don't like it.
Nov 01st 2016
247
Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others don...
Jun 02nd 2017
248
RE: Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others...
Jun 03rd 2017
249
      only 6 Black Thought verses...
Jun 05th 2017
254

Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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1. "Good to see Mercedes still working with them"
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5. "i had the same thought"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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2. "ummm 1-11?"
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shouldn't it be 174-186 or sumn like that by now?

Jordan!

  

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6. "I had the same thought"
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7. "They stopped that sequencing yeaaaaars ago"
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Where you been?

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"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

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okpdan
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8. "It got challenging when The Roots"
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Thu May-08-14 07:25 PM by okpdan

          

started putting out collaboration albums. Would you continue the sequence for Wake Up? The Betty Wright album, Elvis Costello ...

  

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9. "i wouldn't"
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Would you continue the sequence for Wake Up? The Betty Wright album, Elvis Costello ...


it's a shame though, cause it was pretty cool.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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10. "*shrug* sure, why not?"
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or simply continue from where non-collab roots albums leave off.

  

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11. "yeah, I knew I wasn't crazy"
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Undun was 157-170. Obviously don't count the Costello/Legend/Wright albums. I know it's nitpicky, but i'll be EXTREMELY disappointed if the new one doesn't start with 171.

  

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13. "It's not nitpicking IMO"
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If Thought ain't the featured vocalist, it's not a proper release by The Roots.

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34. "there are tracks in that prior numbering system"
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that don't have thought as the featured vocalist.

you trying to throw out the whole system?

  

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3. "on Malcolm x day!"
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roots rock

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4. "i was hoping tomorrow would be the last song"
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as always, this gets an automatic purchase.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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12. "RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or..."
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what happened to the ones with autographs, fuck don't tell me I'm late ...

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14. "album is now streaming"
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http://www.okayplayer.com/news/the-roots-and-then-you-shoot-your-cousin-full-album-stream.html



gonna listen when i get home.

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15. "About halfway through..."
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This album is the audio equivalent of "I have the weirdest boner right now".

I like it, and wasn't really expecting to to be honest. The production is crazy and dope.

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16. "halfway as well"
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I'll definitely say this...it seems like it's their weirdest album yet. But let me fall back and digest before I speak on it.

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17. "it has me confused"
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18. "First impressions after 1 listen..."
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If I forget everything I know about The Roots, and the music they have done up until now, this is an interesting and enjoyable piece of music. It's weird. It's different. The high point for me was Black Rock.

Comparing this to my favorite Roots albums though, I don't know. This is super short (coming from someone who hates long albums), and there's not much Black Thought on here at all. There is definitely a cohesive overall vibe (it sounds like the album cover), but it seems a little lacking in substance.

Looking forward to seeing how I like it after many more listens though.

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23. "about to listen now but a lack of thought scares me I must say"
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MarVeL
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25. "It's a calculated lack of thought, if you will."
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19. "So is it significantly different than their last few albums?"
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Here's where I'm at-

This was actually going to be the first Roots album that didn't get an automatic cop from me because I figured it would be Game Theory part 4: How I Got Undun or some sh!t.

But if its different, I'll cop just to support the change.

  

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20. "IMO, not really"
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It follows along the same lines as their other recent albums, but with a more experimental slant. You should listen to it yourself though and see what you think.

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26. "I need mobile friendly stream. Soundcloud? "
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I am on iPads and cell phones until Saturday.

  

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27. "WTF did I just listen to!??!"
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Like I said, Thought is a guest on his own album. Emceeing ain't even in the forefront anymore. Quest done took over this shit (and yes, I know Quest has been the "leader" of The Roots). Thought like Phife on People's Instinctive Travels status. I'm not gonna pretend to like this album but they getting my money regardless. The album is not even bad but it is a rap album, right? Why my dude kickin' one verse per song on half the album!??!

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59. "Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?"
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If so mission accomplished. This album definitely is meant to be digested in one sitting. I'd like to see someone write a screenplay for this album.

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81. "RE: Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?"
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>If so mission accomplished. This album definitely is meant
>to be digested in one sitting. I'd like to see someone write
>a screenplay for this album.

I missed that but if that was what they were going for, mission accomplished indeed.

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21. "i fucking love the roots-"
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they never let me down.

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22. "people ask for god, until the day he comes-"
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see god's face, turn around & run





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24. ""SO GREAT"- J. Fallon"
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"SO SHORT"- Me


Short is okay, though. I enjoyed the album top to bottom.

  

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28. "&TYSYC = If undun fucked Phrenology"
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One spin in and it's weird (not in a bad way, I don't think). I want more black thought, but it's interesting enough. And I think it is a great execution of what they were going for. I just hope they come out with a more Black Thought-focused project with their next drop.

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30. "I want more Thought too but..."
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Im listening on really good headphones and you can really hear the band on this. This doesn't feel short either. It feels complete. This is like The Roots' Kid A.

Man, musically and from an engineering angle this thing is interesting as hell. Def. copping the vinyl.

  

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67. "RE: I want more Thought too but..."
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Yeah I agree. But whenever Black raps on this, he spazzes. I'm in the group of people who think Black Thought has been improving more and more with each release.

Interesting point about this being the Roots' Kid A.

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29. "BLACK ROCK tho"
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31. "Diamonds In Da Ruff used that sample better"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV5W1XS6My0

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32. "Dig most of the album from 1st stream listen"
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(Of course) I really only enjoyed the rapping or musical songs (not the interludes or the cover songs); I loved everything from track 3-6, and then I loved 9, and I sort of liked 10 and 11. I don't really have a solid opinion on "The Unraveling" (I think I love it tho?)... and I only really like "Tomorrow" for the lyrics and everything that happens after 4:40 or so... that is DOOOOPEEE! So reminiscent of the instrumental coda in "Make My", which is basically the greatest song in the universe (to me).

They utilize the piano a whooole lot more on this album. I'm not used to that, but I'm sure I'll fall in love with this approach soon (as I do with all Roots albums, and the collabs). The middle of the album reminded me of the end of "Undun" (the suite) for some odd reason. I reeaally love "Understand", and "The Dark (Trinity)" so far. "Black Rock" is up there too.

Overall, the album made me kinda sad. I think that's a good thing at this point lol.

My jaw dropped from certain lyrics, tho. And THAT'S def a good thing.I see where the "anti-rap" thing comes to play.

I just don't always enjoy the featured singers. I tolerate them, but I guess I need to be exposed to all different singing types to appreciate them fully. It's kinda how I got into Badu; I never heard a voice like hers before, and it took me a while to fall in love with it. Now she's one of my favorite female singers/vocalists.

Oh and I'm mad at myself for breaking my rule of "listening to album streams" but I was tooooo excited...

01 Theme From Middle of the Night (Nina Simone song)
02 Never (feat. Patty Crash)
03 When the People Cheer (feat. Modesty Lycan & Greg Porn)
04 The Devil (Mary Lou Williams song)
05 Black Rock (feat. Dice Raw)
06 Understand (feat. Dice Raw & Greg Porn)
07 Dies Irae (Michel Chion song)
08 The Coming (feat. Mercedes Martinez)
09 The Dark (Trinity)
10 The Unraveling (feat. Raheem DeVaughn)
11 Tomorrow (feat. Raheem DeVaughn)

I enjoyed my 1st listen. Thanks, Roots. JUST TAKE MY MONEY NOW OKAY

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35. "the dark and black rock are my early favs"
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this album is going to take some digesting. one thing that i can say about roots albums is that i always appreciate them more over time, i'm hoping that is the case with this one. i got my one listen in, i already bought it so i will probably just wait for it to come out before i listen again.

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33. "Really bad"
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I think I hated every hook on this album besides the "people see god's face and run" one. Didn't like the rapping besides Thought who was excellent. Some of the production was good (the one that had the same flip as the Black Milk song) but sometimes it felt like the rapping was forced, i.e. they felt like they had to throw a verse down because it's a Roots album. Did ?uest really bill this as an "anti-rap" album? It certainly sounds like that. Many of the songs would have worked better with a good vocalist.

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36. "I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt"
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like interludes...

Lifetime Roots fan

I will support this and continue to support them

and as a concept I dig the album

musically, it's sonically beyond anything else in hip-hop

no doubt

BUT WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET SOME SPIT!!!

HIGO, RD, U, ATYSYC

just the overall tone and mood of these albums are BIG downers

if The Roots were my friends I think it would be time for an intervention

for real

ARE YA'LL OKAY

we get it

ya'll got the LNWJF gig and you can do whatever you want

I just think there would be at least some happiness

these albums are starting to get depressing.

great artistically

but c'mon, just give us some BT spittin'

or masterpiece theatre

somethin.

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37. "I agree"
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as I said in my post above, if I forget everything I know about The Roots, this is a cool album.

But I also can't help wanting some more upbeat shit, with Thought really going in. Most of all I'm just over all the sadness. I'm never in the mood to listen to these dark ass albums, even if they are good. One, two albums along these lines - cool. But damn. I've resigned myself to the fact that this is what to expect from The Roots at this stage in their career. I'm still a fan, but not like I used to be.

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40. "i also agree"
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41. "RE: I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt"
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>like interludes...
>
>Lifetime Roots fan
>
>I will support this and continue to support them
>
>and as a concept I dig the album
>
>musically, it's sonically beyond anything else in hip-hop
>
>no doubt
>
>BUT WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET SOME SPIT!!!
>
>HIGO, RD, U, ATYSYC
>
>just the overall tone and mood of these albums are BIG
>downers
>
>if The Roots were my friends I think it would be time for an
>intervention
>
>for real
>
>ARE YA'LL OKAY
>
>we get it
>
>ya'll got the LNWJF gig and you can do whatever you want
>
>I just think there would be at least some happiness
>
>these albums are starting to get depressing.
>
>great artistically
>
>but c'mon, just give us some BT spittin'
>
>or masterpiece theatre
>
>somethin.

Shit, just give us BT on more than 50% of the album.

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42. "i agree"
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enough with the depressing stuff.

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38. "I luh ya Dice Raw... but...."
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This album really could have benefited if he woulda toned it down a bit. His ego and talent just don't match up here, he's best when understated. He can sing now and then, but he's not nearly versatile enough to have the presence he's had on the last few releases.

I can't really give much critique beyond that, but I know, on first listen, that Dice has had me cringing for a couple of years now, and this album is no exception. I think the guy has been a great affiliate, and a huge part of the Roots' name, but his head is getting way too big.

  

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39. "Maybe there's a companion album?"
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'At the BBQ, packing, drinking too much...' (party part)

'...and then you shoot your cousin' (the sobering aftermath part)

  

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68. "RE: Maybe there's a companion album?"
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That would be a really dope idea.

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43. "For those of you who don't like it but still copping..."
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Why?

I mean, I get supporting your favorite artists, etc. I get the general point.

But I've seen a lot of comments suggesting that you don't like this album, and haven't enjoyed the recent albums, so why support this rut that the Roots are in?

Most of you who are saying this strike me as huge fans who have supported Roots albums and most likely shows (like myself) so your support isn't (or shouldn't be) in question.

Why do you feel like you owe it to them to buy a bad album that you probably won't play?

Maybe it needs to be a relative flop for them to rethink things.

As Roots fan I'm mostly disappointed in how marginalized Black Thought has become.

That's ridiculous. For that reason alone I'm probably done buying their stuff. 15 & Dice Raw aint the Roots...

  

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46. "Roots LP's take time for me to ingest."
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I bought Phrenology under the same pretense. It was an album I didn't get when it first came out but I eventually GOT after repeated listens. Now it's my favorite Roots album. Game Theory, same thing. Didn't care for it but I really like it now (still waiting for Rising Down and undun to hit). I'll always give The Roots a chance because I feel they make music that doesn't hit immediately. I know I need to spend some time with it before I really know if I'll like it.

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48. "yeah their albums usually take time for me"
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and i always go back to them years down the road as well.

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53. "but repeated listens won't reveal more Black Thought will it?"
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If it does, let me know.

No snark intended at you specifically, but yeah some albums take time...some just aren't good.

Maybe the lack of Thought isn't an issue to some....that's just crazy to me because he is the most important part of the Roots to me.

At least as important as the rest.

  

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56. "i just listened for the third time and they added 4 thought verses"
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i get your point about the lack of black thought and i agree, i don't think i feel as strongly as you do but i get it.

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44. "Aye can we get this Thought again on an album"
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This him freestyling on Sway radio show with Quest Djing came out today full interview Friday.

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45. "Money Making Jam Boys Mixtape is the best Roots album since..."
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73. "the last roots album"
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58. "Sigh"
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Things like this just make it more frustrating. That was amazing. I look forward to Thought's freestyles and features more than a Roots album now.

Also, was this appearance supposed to be promo for the new album? I think he rapped as much or more here than he did on the actual album.

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47. "Day 2 of binge-listening"
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I love this album. I'm not mad.

This album is AMAZING conceptually, musically, and sonically.


I do, however, empathize with those expecting to hear more rapping.


  

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49. "what's the concept? "
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50. "The genius must be over your head brah, you just don't get it."
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Honestly, I thought even the "concept" of undun was bullshit, as if you gave that album to a random person and had them listen to it a dozen times they still wouldn't be able to put together the "story". Had it not been laid out right in front of you there was no way anybody was going to put that concept together.

And if there is a "concept" here I completely missed it on my first few listens as well.

  

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52. "^^^^This"
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If Undun was a concept album, it was one of the most poorly executed concept albums out there.

Roots really do have a Kanye type (not as big, obviously) built-in audience that will love everything they do.

Good for them I guess.

But I'm trying to think of another act that got worse each release like 4 straight releases- RD to now.

  

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55. "I'd personally go with HIGO over RD"
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>But I'm trying to think of another act that got worse each
>release like 4 straight releases- RD to now.
>

But yeah, the output since Game Theory has been subpar overall. These last two releases are probably my least favorite in their catalog (with the exception of Organix)

  

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79. "whats so confusing about Undun?"
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the story just plays in reverse, the kids dead, the kids about to die, the kids getting in trouble/making money, the kid gets introduced to "the game" and then the 4 musical interludes.



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83. "It's not confusing at all...just poorly done"
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Just a few reasons why-

- having all the rappers be the same character = cop out.

- taking out any specific references to the timeline or whatever may have been a good idea on paper but ultimately made it boring and unrelatable.

- Phonte's line about occupy my streets sticks out like a sore thumb in context of point above.

- Most importantly= the story/concept is so overly simple its not interesting nor unique. You could tell someone Game Theory is the same concept and it would make as much sense.

  

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89. "i think you missed a lot of the lyrics"
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the album is basically a psychological profile of an individual.

every verse is piece of his psychological jigsaw

if cats dont like those raps ... even outside of the concept. thats on you

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95. "you're proving my point..."
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"if you don't like it that's on you"

"I think you missed the lyrics" ie "its over your head"

Nah.

I'm not a dumb guy. I spent time with the album. In fact, I loved it when it first dropped.

Over time (repeated listens) I realized-

* the concept and execution is bull$h!t

* it sounds like Game Theory light

* The hooks are horrible


You guys have all been convinced its some kind of deep concept album. Because 15 told you and what's what it was billed as.

But when you really break it down....just another rap album. A fairly generic one at that.

If you still like it, then THATS ON YOU. More power to you...

But its definitely not as deep as you have convinced yourself. Trust me I wish it was. I'm not rooting for them to lose they are my all time favorite rap group.

And the Undun pleas are already popping up for this new one. "Its over your head"...as sarcastically said above.

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162. "RE: you're proving my point..."
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where did i say it went over your head or you were stupid...

lol

cats just be projecting their own insecurities.


i said you MISSED lyrics...which is OBVIOUS...if you say Rising Down could be the same thing

lol

i also didnt say anything about the concept being overt or anything... i said the raps is dope and if you dont like it...thats on you

Im in the double G, three-piece tux
Screaming dressed to kill
Hope somebody call my bluff
Its a full house sipping on a royal flush
Two queens is on my cuffs
Good times is in the cards
Living on borrowed time
Im paying the extra charge

lol

yeah

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51. "I didn't catch the concept either but here's this (link)"
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The Roots have a busy schedule ahead of them with the continuing transition into Jimmy Fallons The Tonight Show, but that hasnt stemmed their creative ambitions; they put out a collaborative album with Elvis Costello last September, titled Wise Up Ghost, and have been in the studio working on their own 11th studio album, which Questlove tweeted last year was set to be called And Then You Shoot Your Cousin. Details have been pretty scarce so far, but Black Thought hopped on the phone with XXL this week to discuss the direction of the project, and some of what to expect.

Were close to being done on it, its coming soon, hopefully sometime this Spring, Thought said. Its called And Then You Shoot Your Cousin. Its conceptual; its another concept album in the spirit of undun, but its not just about just one kind of character, we create quite a few different characters in this record. Its satire, but in that satire its an analysis of some of the stereotypes perpetuated in not only the hip-hop community, but in the community. I dont know if that makes any sense.

Thought expanded on some of the differences between ATYSYC and undun, their critically acclaimed 10th album from December 2011. That project was positioned as a day in the life of a character named Redford Stevens, whose first-person narrative of the day of his tragic death served as a metaphor for the plight of urban youth in America. This one will not be so centered on one character, however.

We created some of these characters that we kind of see, he continued. We as artists, musicians, Philadelphians, New Yorkers, we as black men, were familiar with very many of these characters, and we kind of introduce them to the rest of the world in a manner that makes them more easily understood than maybe seeing it.

One of the defining things of undun, outside its narrative, was its lengthjust 38 minutes bookended by a symphonic act that provides the backbone to the project. ATYSYC may not have that same type of pocket, but it will still be on the shorter side.

Hopefully youll get something new from it every time you listen to it, youll hone in on something different, Thought said. Its short enough to do that, to take in, to digest in one sitting, so to speak. I think right now its at maybe 34 minutes; there may be one or two musical things added on to the record that I know is the record at this point. But I dont think it will be any longer than 36 or 37 minutes in its entirety. So in that, its short enough to digest, but its gonna be dense. So dense that maybe in one sitting youll listen to it and only listen to the piano and string arrangements, and then youll listen to it again and youll get into the actual words that are being said, and youll listen again and get into some of the other musicality. Theres very many layers to this record, but it doesnt take place over very much time.

The album is slated to be released via Def Jam Records; as of press time, there was no official release date. The Roots breakthrough album, 1999′s Things Fall Apart, celebrated its 15th anniversary last Sunday (Feb. 23).

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2014/02/the-roots-new-project-will-be-another-concept-album/

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54. "so...they can't even explain this concept? got it"
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I really hope a Black Thought solo is in the works.

  

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57. "I got a concept for the next album, HOT SHIT, HA HA HOT SHIT!!!"
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hip hop's first band, got it.

What's the point of doing all these outside projects

collabos

etc...

if The Roots are never gonna give us a hot hip-hop album again?

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64. "I guess it's a theme more than a concept."
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I'm not at all going to pretend there is a story line or an arc to the album. I'll admit that the roots can't do much wrong in my book. I was initially disappointed by "undun" but now I love it. You may read into that as me being a Stan who has allowed ?uest & company to increase my tolerance for what you perceive to be sub-par output. All I know is that listening to &TYSYC, to me, feels like THE ROOTS wih a twist of Eugene McDaniels "Headless Horsemen." It's dark. It's brooding. It gets experimental, but it's honest. Bottom line: I like it. If I'm gonna be part of the minority in that sense, I'm fine with that.

  

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60. ""
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http://radio.com/2014/05/14/live-the-roots-debut-and-then-you-shoot-your-cousin-with-nyc-performance-art-piece/

(swipe)

Last night (May 13) at New Yorks Public Theater, fans of The Roots gathered for a performance by the legendary hip-hop group showcasing their upcoming album, And Then You Shoot Your Cousin, due out next Tuesday (May 19). But no one seemed to know exactly what the performance was going to be. The album itself features full tracks by late legendary artists Nina Simone (Theme From Middle of the Night) and Mary Lou Williams (The Devil), and has a runtime of about 30 minutes total.

If you only know the The Roots from picnics or the best backing band on late-night TV, you may not have guessed this show would be a dark performance art piece utilizing a combination of DJs, sampling, spoken-word poetry, mime, dancing, classical music, jazz music, and no shortage of balloon animals. The Roots drummer/leader Questlove was the only member who spent the entire show on stage, although most of his time was spent behind a DJ setup with turntables, a Mac laptop and a sampler.

Quest started the show by creating ominous sound effects from behind the decks, and during this intro, hundreds of balloon animals descended onto the stage. Throughout the show, balloons were bursting to jarring effect.

The groups venerable MC, the always underrated Black Thought, came onstage throughout the show, but always for spoken-word narrative segments, always shrouded in a hoodie. His rhymes were heard via the recorded versions of songs from the album, occasionally manipulated by Quest along with Jeremy Ellis, who comes off as a sort of Eddie Van Halen of the sampler.

Early on in the show, Questlove and co. were joined by former Roots member, human beatbox Rahzel, who left the band in 1999. Rahzel jammed with a multi-instrumentalist Craig S. Harris, whose jazz and avant-garde credits include collaborations with Lester Bowie, Don Byron and Sun Ra. While Rahzel blew minds with his vocal percussion, Harris switched between trombone and didgeridoo as dancer/motion artist Jadon danced and contorted his body.

For those who havent listened to the album, it was a bit difficult to absorb Black Thoughts lyrics, especially with the other visual stimuli going on. But Jadons acting, Black Thoughts spoken-word narration and, well, the nooses that hung over Questloves head made it clear that the new album is along the same lines of their last one, 2011′s existential concept album undun. In fact, if you felt undun which ended with a three song neoclassical suite was too commercial, And Then You Shoot Your Cousin may not be for you.

After they finished their performance of the album, Roots guitarist Captain Kirk Douglas, who watched most of the show from the audience, joined them, as Questlove got behind the drums for a fiery rendition of Funkadelics classic Maggot Brain, changing the originals spoken word intro about Mother Earth is pregnant for the third time to sampled vocals asking, If you are not a myth, whose reality are you? If you are not a reality, whose myth are you?

As the audience filed out after the approximately hour-long show finished, most everyone was smiling with the knowledge that theyd seen something unique, if not difficult to understand. So what was it? Whatever it was, its a bit hard to define, but it was definitely thought-provoking.

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61. "reading that I'm thinking Quest done finally jump that shark "
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and about to lose his mind..HE bout to be on some Brain Wilson Smile shit next album.

He needs not to work so hard.

They said he dropped ballon animals and had mines lol

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62. "RE: reading that I"m think Quest done finally jump that shark "
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Black Thought only getting three verses next LP

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63. "..."
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"His rhymes were heard via the recorded versions of songs from the album"

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65. ""
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Well that sure sounds like what this album deserves. It's like someone took the last half of Water and turned it into a stage play with Thought, Dice, and Porn playing the starring roles.

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66. "That's... accurate."
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Whether or not it's a good thing or a bad thing is up for debate I guess.

  

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69. "One issue I'm having with this album is"
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That a lot of these songs can't really stand on its own when you play them outside of the context of the album. "When the People Cheer" "Black Rock" "Understand" and mayybee "Tomorrow" (which doesn't feel like a Roots song cuz of the lack of BT) are the only songs that can be played outside of the context of the album. I know they were going for a narrative/ concept album. But great concept albums also feature great songs that still sound good when you play the songs at random. Undun is a great example of that, for example.

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70. "not all albums have to do that"
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sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's not, but it's not a requirement
there are some albums I don't listen to at all by piecemeal because of this, but they're no less incredible because of my lack of interest in playing the songs separate

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71. "RE: not all albums have to do that"
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I don't think every song needs to be playable on its own, but I feel like at least half of the songs on the album should be able to stand on its own. Making good, cohesive albums is very important, but making good songs is more important, imo. Not saying this album doesn't have any good songs, though. A lot of the album is growing on me, and as a whole, I really like it. But I still feel like there's something missing.

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72. "Another great album by The Roots"
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I love their evolution, didn't expect this at all...
Once again they'll get my money,
worthy addition to their discography,
let them experiment,
If I want to hear more Black Thought, I can go back to the previous albums.

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74. "A Haunting History Lesson with Your Hip Hop (NYTimes Swipe)"
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/15/arts/music/the-roots-touch-on-poverty-death-and-god-at-the-public.html?hpw&rref=arts&_r=1

Conundrum, provocation, history lesson, ritual, chamber recital, jazz concert, elegy the Roots performance at the Public Theater on Tuesday night was decidedly not a standard kickoff for a hip-hop album. That was clear when, near the beginning of the show, balloon animals were dropped onto the stage, covering it knee-deep; for the rest of the performance, each entrance and exit was accompanied by balloons popping underfoot like gunshots. Dozens of nooses also hung overhead.

The Roots are to release their 11th album, ... and then you shoot your cousin (Def Jam), next week. Its a brief, bleak collection of songs haunted by the desperate, self-destructive cycles of poverty and by thoughts of death and God. The music draws on gospel, soul, chamber music, electronic noise and free jazz, along with brittle hip-hop samples. Songs from the album were heard on Tuesday night primarily as recordings from the disc-jockey setup laptop and turntables of the Roots leader, Questlove (Ahmir Thompson). The Roots main rapper, Black Thought (Tarik Trotter), delivered poetic monologues instead, including one that telescoped African-American history from slavery to the present.

Questlove has thought deeply and broadly about African-American culture. He remains idealistic about the potential role of hip-hop, even as much current hip-hop endorses shallow materialism, and he determinedly places the Roots hip-hop in the lineage of forward-looking, socially conscious black music; the concert also featured recordings of Albert Ayler, James Brown, Nina Simone and Abbey Lincoln.

The musicians werent the same Roots band seen regularly on NBCs Tonight show with Jimmy Fallon. They included the Metropolis Ensemble the conductor Andrew Cyr, a string quartet and four singers and the jazz pianist D. D. Jackson, who wrote dramatic, somberly dissonant arrangements for the ensemble. Mr. Jackson also hurled crashing free-jazz clusters and tremolos in a duet with Questlove on drums. Jeremy Ellis tapped out some two-handed workouts from a sampler, and near the beginning of the concert, there was a primordial drone from Craig Harris on didgeridoo, joined by the percussive vocals of Rahzel, a pioneering beatboxer. Two male dancers also appeared, break dancing amid the balloons.

It was a miscellany of grim tidings and stubborn determination, of sounds both earthy and avant-garde, of bitter realities and electronic hallucinations. Songs from the album concluded with Tomorrow, a resolutely optimistic tune with the recorded voice of Raheem DeVaughn declaring himself thankful to be alive.

The Roots followed it with words from a Sun Ra recording If youre not a myth, whose reality are you? (and vice versa) and then the kind of finale that might be expected from a Roots concert: the appearance of the bands lead guitarist, Captain Kirk Douglas, to wail and shred through a climactic version of Funkadelics Maggot Brain. This performance wasnt the rollout of a consumer product; it was joining a cultural continuum.

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75. "Second listen, "
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This is definitely an "I'll put this on when I'm feeling some kind of way" album. Undun was like that for me, and it's only gotten better for me.

  

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76. "I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ..."
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... the meal.

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88. "RE: I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ..."
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77. "interesting album...thought bodied his little appearances and the sound"
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is definitely in the same vein of their last few albums but with a trippy twist...feeling it

  

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80. "that's how I felt after the first listen..."
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... a couple of sandwiches would be nice to compliment that album though.

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78. "RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or..."
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like others are saying, not enough Black Thought. Kind of a deal breaker for me *shrugs*

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82. "First listen, I like it a lot. It's ambitious. But I wanna know...."
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...did Kirk have to bring his guitar to the studio every day to not play it? lol

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153. "lol"
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>...did Kirk have to bring his guitar to the studio every day
>to not play it? lol

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84. "I never knew Undun was wack until coming here. "
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the irony, lol. Undun was bang bang and I'm sure the new record is too. I haven't heard it because a)I'm not streaminig it on no shitty computer speakers/earbuds b)I don't generally listen to artists's albums before their intended release date. I'll buy it Monday and I'll be back

  

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86. "i loved undun"
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i gave the new one a listen, but won't listen again til it comes out for the reasons you stated. already bought it though.

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97. "adding my support for Undun as well. haha"
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& HIGO was flames IMO

I can see why one may not have liked Rising Down...i thought that album was dope too with only a few id skip. I dont like Cousin overall though. I only really like never, the dark, and tomorrow.

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112. "me 2..HIGO and undun was good albums..folks acting like the roots"
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just been releasing trash..RD and this are missteps

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104. "One of my favorite albums of the past five years"
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So far this album feels a little like Undun-lite. Still good, but I'm not sure I love it. Enjoying listening to it though.

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85. "video for Understand"
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http://www.okayplayer.com/news/the-roots-understand-official-video-premiere.html

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87. "I watched the first 40 seconds only "
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Oh yeah, I'm definitely in.

  

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90. "going off of the apparently satirical vein of the album..."
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does anybody have any ideas for why dice uses sort of a trappy flow for some of his lines on "the dark"?

  

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91. "cause he trapped in the dark "
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>does anybody have any ideas for why dice uses sort of a
>trappy flow for some of his lines on "the dark"?

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92. "Most of these hooks are downright cringeworthy "
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Makes some of the tracks unlistenable to me

  

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93. "i like it. i want to listen to it."
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meaning, in the past couple of days i've been hit several times with this compulsion to listen to it again. i think i've listened to that pitchfork stream ten to twelve times. it's really interesting. still gathering my thoughts.

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94. "Don't have a computer to listen"
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This sucks...

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96. "strong record"
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First impressions: feels more coherent than undun, which felt at times like they were reaching to be weird/arty. Here, the weird/arty feels very natural. I sort of get the complaints about BT not being on it more, but I don't think an album (piece of art) should be graded by # of appearances made by X. All of his verses are crazy good, doesn't feel like he's "missing" at all. Guests are all solid, too. After two listens, my only complaints are the hooks (and that's been my struggle since at least HIGO, probably even earlier).

I liked undun a lot, and it really grew on me over time. This feels even better right out the gate, and I think it will work its magic over time, too. Good stuff.

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98. "I agree with pretty much everything here"
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Only thing I dont agree on is the hooks. I agree that their hooks can lack sometimes, but I don't think they do here.

Another thing about the number of black thought appearances is there are a shit load of interlude type transitions which sort of contributes to the 'wheres bt' theme... but I think that many interlude type transitions adds to the flow of the album.

I also agree that while I really like undun, this is maybe done better... and thats not to take anything away from undun, because that is also a very good album.

Game Theory is my favorite Roots album, but this is my favorite album since then and this could be argued to be their most artsy.

  

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99. "I love the record...trying to figure out the characters though..."
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At first I thought a character per song...

Then I thought...maybe a character between each interlude?

First listen was a weird one...the rest of the listens...i kept noticing more things...which is a good thing...

I understand the lack of thought now...the first listen, I was disappointed in that...

  

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100. "after one listen, already digging the sound of this MUCH more than"
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undun and HIGO... and rising down for that matter (didn't like those albums at all really.. and obviously, i wanted to).. def. feels like experimentation and execution aligned on this one.. can't wait to get into the characters and story and let it all sink in.. but on sound alone, i can already tell i fuck w/ this pretty hard

  

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101. "Tomorrow has been on repeat for a bit"
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reserving judgment for the rest. its a departure...I'll say that much.

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102. "RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or..."
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Bought the album this afternoon....can't remember the last time I was this disappointed after listening to an album, much less a Roots album

Basically Undun 2.0 with even less of a Roots feel

I get a concept album, but 2 back to back?!?!

They HAVE to be fulfilling a quota and trying to get out of their deal or something....

Man, being a diehard fan makes this that much more difficult to absorb

I swear after 2 listens it's already back in the case (yes I bought the CD)

It's basically a money making jam boys record with strings and piano

  

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103. "Most likely a stupid question "
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I swore albums were generally released on Tuesdays... I haven't bought an album for a long time, yet alone on its release date. Why is this out today, on a Monday, instead of tomorrow? Don't get me wrong, I'm even happier that I have access to it a day earlier... But I need a wise okp'er to enlighten me. I'm missing something.

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105. "not 100% sure why it's out, but today *is* Malcolm X's birthday.. "
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106. "I'm sure Coldplay and Brody Dalle don't know it's Malcolm X's birthday....."
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That would've been dope though to release the album a day early on Malcolm X's born day.

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107. "hahaha fair enough.. i tried"
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108. "Why are they afraid to make rap music?"
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Or are they just sick of rap? There are like 6 songs with any rapping at all, and at least 2 of those have a minimal amount (and 1 I don't like). With so much B.S. rap out there I would love if one of the best groups to ever do it (as evidenced by the actual rap songs on this album) could give us a bit more.

The Roots have become the fancy sushi of rap music. I really like it but as soon as the album ends I find myself hungry for more. Not in the good way, but in a that wasn't enough way.

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109. "folk need to stop fronting"
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roots aint been onto anything since Game Theory.

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127. "eh, first 3 tracks of Rising Down were HEAT"
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I don't care about the rest of the album being mediocre. I'd rather listen to those 3 joints over most rappers full albums.

  

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110. "Here's my review"
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Is this part of the Def Jam Payment Plan, or is this what money could provide if people paid attention to listen? and then you shoot your cousin (Def Jam) is the latest album from The Roots and if people have been wondering why the group have been acting all pissy since Phrenology, then youre not going to like the darkness heard in the lyrics throughout this thirty-three minute album. You now might be thinking 33 minutes? Were in a digital world, what is this 33 minute crap? In a time when album sales are diminishing, 33 minutes can be considered a healthy listen in 2014 and that is what should be done to this, a concept album that is direct and indirect as some of their projects in recent years.

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111. "After two spins, I'm really feeling this. Easily my favorite since GT."
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I'll concede some disappointment that the spitting took such a major backseat to the sonic design but I don't even really care much in this case because of how fucking great it sounds.

At one point in the middle it was feeling to me felt like a full-length Revolution No. 9 with a few "songs" fading in and out here and there.

The hooks are still a bit of a hurdle for me on some of the songs, but whatever. I'm a lot more happy with this than I thought I'd be...

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114. "Easily the Worst Roots album!"
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Did not have one expectation going into this based on their last few duds. But this album is weak. Fuck this art shit..make some relevant music. Make some fucking grooves. These dudes are in a position where the spotlight is on them and we get this bullshit. Fuck out of here. These cats have gone full circle and have once again become an enigma.

  

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115. "Loving the album - but why do we get less BT each album?"
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The last 3 or so albums, the albums are shorter, with fewer songs but just as many guest appearances.
I'm all for an album sticking to a concept and thus, "you get as many verses as are needed," but what's up with this trend?


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116. "NO MORE DICE RAW HOOKS PLEASE"
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165. "^^^^"
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Or at least until he practices some more, but don't let his practice be part of
the official output. Homie gotta step his chorus game up somethin' serious.

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117. "RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or..."
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Haven't heard yet but I find the divisiveness encouraging....

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118. "This is weird for me to say but. . ."
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Through one listen this might be the first time in 20 years that I listened to a new Roots album and am underwhelmed.

  

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119. "yeah i'm just not sure how i feel about this one"
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i'm going to listen to it a few more times, but yeah, i don't know. this is new for me as well.

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120. "oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is"
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if its really true, and this is the first somewhat dud of a Roots album, I'll almost have to sit back and say WOW at how long it took. But I'll keep listening. One thing I'll say is a lot of people have complained about the hooks on Roots records for a long time and I've NEVER had a problem with them whatsoever. . . But the hook singing' on NEVER is UN FUCKIN LISTENABLE. And the hook on Black Rock is pretty awful too.

But now having listened again, I also have to say the the so-called Concept is not coming through on this record at all compared to Undun, which I felt was a masterpiece.

  

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121. "RE: oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is"
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lol I actually dig that hook. her voice is an acquired taste though. they really need to keep Dice away from the mic with that singing. as soon as he starts singing just send him out of the studio. come back when you wanna spit bars nicca.

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122. "i'm sure they've heard the complaints"
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but they don't seem to care. i actually don't mind him as much as most, i feel like the hooks themselves aren't bad, they are just bad when he singing them.

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123. "RE: i'm sure they've heard the complaints"
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>but they don't seem to care. i actually don't mind him as
>much as most, i feel like the hooks themselves aren't bad,
>they are just bad when he singing them.

I agree. The hooks aren't the problem at all. It's the vocalist. They had Raheem in there too. He could have sang them joints.

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126. "Yo...."
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I said back when Undun dropped that they should've just had Bilal song evey hook.

I mean, how does a group that has worked with D'angelo, Bilal, Badu, Amel, Jill Scott, fucking Prince...resort to Dice fucking Raw for singing on hooks? The shit is unbelievable to me.

But like someone said, I'm sure they've heard the complaints of not only Dice's singing but also the lack of Thought and they just don't seem to care.

Black Rock sounds like Dice is in a fucking hick bar singing kareokee with a bunch of drunk red necks.

  

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130. "RE: Yo...."
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>I said back when Undun dropped that they should've just had
>Bilal song evey hook.

It made no sense. They used him for one song and let Dice sing the other hooks smh.

>
>I mean, how does a group that has worked with D'angelo, Bilal,
>Badu, Amel, Jill Scott, fucking Prince...resort to Dice
>fucking Raw for singing on hooks? The shit is unbelievable to
>me.

I know that's their fam but they say they don't have yes men. Well somebody is saying yes to that nicca's singing and they have to know it's not good.

>
>But like someone said, I'm sure they've heard the complaints
>of not only Dice's singing but also the lack of Thought and
>they just don't seem to care.
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>Black Rock sounds like Dice is in a fucking hick bar singing
>kareokee with a bunch of drunk red necks.

This got me laughing because in the interview with Sway Tariq said that hook was inspired by a country song.

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151. "you should listen to Black Rock drunk"
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it works perfectly lol

  

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124. "dice singing"
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>And the hook on Black Rock is pretty awful too.
>

i used to HATE outta-tune singing from rappers on choruses, hooks, etc.

but ghostface, kool keith, and especially kanye made me appreciate it. then i thought, "oh yeah, biz markie and ODB too."

if it's effective--as in memorable, catchy, maybe even funny--then it works for me.

but i still can't listen to lupe's sung chorus on "sunshine". i think it's cuz he took himself too seriously on that song.


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145. "pretty much"
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197. "ITs official. . . This album is just not very good"
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-At its BEST moments they sound like they're just imitating themselves. Black Thought, who we all know is one of the greatest, is always good, but maybe he's just so good and professional that he's lost the passion, graveness, etc. I've argued that Riq has somehow gotten better and better over the years. From Game Theory through Undun he's a beast, not just spittin' but in terms of content and tone (especially on Rising Down imo). But I'm not walking around with quotables in my head from this record.

-There is no standout track. Though The Roots are the ultimate album group, which is one of the things I love about them, there are no standout tracks on this record. I remember having "The Other Side" on repeat, or "Now Or Never" or "75 Bars" or "Long Time" etc. This album has no songs I want to keep hearing.

- There's a big difference between being CONCISE, which The Roots have done artfully in recent years, and being SPARSE as fuck, which this album is. Its the least generous album by a very generous group. I'm cool with tracks without rapping, piano etc, but it just missed the mark. The give and take on this record doesn't fit.

  

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125. "really liking this one"
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it started when i couldn't get "tomorrow" outta my head.

then the video for "understand" gave me the urge to listen to the song over and over again.

now i'm on "the dark (trinity)".

definitely like it more than "undun" and HIGO right off the bat.

its brevity really works in its favor--i'm left wanting more.


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128. "im still reserving judgment until i hear it on good speakers..."
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but...

"i like it" (c) mikey or that dude on de la is dead

  

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129. "I almost cut it off after the first track"
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Cringed through the whole beginning of the album. On first listen, I hated this album until "Understand". That one's dope. That's all I want....not this boring shit with bad singing.

The Dark was dope, and so was Tomorrow.

I don't care why I'm supposed to like the rest of this.....I don't. Boring as hell and doesn't sound good.

I'll rock with the 3 tracks I like though.

  

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131. "4th listen"
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I love it. Yes, as everyone says, I want more Black Thought and less interludes, and I personally wish it were longer (aaaannnd I want liner notes but those have been gone singe GT). But as both Quest and BT said, this has to be digested as a whole project. I'm happy, and I know they're happy.

Just watched them perform "Never" on TSJF, and that made me love the song more. It's my favorite on the album so far. The singer's voice got on my nerves at first, but I'm getting used to it.

Great job, as always.

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132. "re: lack of BT and BT being listed as a coproducer on every song"
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it stands to reason that as a part of the band, a musician himself, Thought had far more input into this album than just the verses he dropped

right?

  

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133. "i would think so"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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134. "Same way I felt."
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Seems like he was involved in the production side of the album more than the norm...

  

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135. "Conversely, seems like ?uest had LESS input"
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At least as far as writer's credit goes.

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137. "I think you'll find the answer to this here:"
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Grabbed this from the other thread - speaks on their current recording process:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2885620&mesg_id=2885620&page=#2885885

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138. "so Richard Nichols, Greg P.O.R.N. & Dice Raw do most of the leg work?"
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139. "Ya, that's how I read it too"
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142. "RE: Ya, that's how I read it too"
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No wonder all that terrible singing is making the final cut. They probably feel bad telling him "nah fam, that shit ain't gonna fly" after all the work he puts in.

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157. "^^^"
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136. "This Grantland article is the best I've read about the LP"
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http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/the-roots-and-then-youshoot-your-cousin-review-tonight-show/

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Take Your Medicine: The Good for You Not-Quite-Greatness of the Roots Latest

When Ahmir Khalib Questlove Thompson launched his How Hip-Hop Failed Black America series for Vulture last month, I reacted the way I do to each new Roots album. At first I was really excited, eagerly lapping up the first entry and reveling in Thompsons insight and forward-thinking ideology. And then I lost interest and didnt check out the subsequent entries. This is solidly an Its not you, its me situation How Hip-Hop Failed Black America is erudite, well argued, and thought-provoking. Theres just something medicinal, I guess, about Thompsons work, both as a writer and a musician. I own nearly every Roots album. I like many of them I stump hardest for 2006s Game Theory, though 2010s How I Got Over remains underrated but I dont put them on very often. When I do, Im glad I did. I always feel that its good for me, you know? But I have to gear myself up to listen to the Roots sometimes. It often seems like a matter of should, not want.

This week the Roots released their 11th album, And Then You Shoot Your Cousin, a self-described opera that runs 33 minutes but feels much longer in places. It is the Roots second consecutive concept album, coming off 2011s critically adored and slept-on-by-everybody-else undun. Even by the Roots recent dubiously commercial standards, Cousin is a bit of a curveball a bleak, fatalistic, angry, discursive, narratively fragmented, musically restless, and deadly serious curveball. Its the kind of record that partisans will insist you need to spend some time with before setting aside, without guaranteeing that youll ever end up liking it. Cousin probably isnt supposed to be liked. (The Roots on record have loftier artistic aims than mere enjoyment delivery these days.) Even if youre a hardcore Roots fan, it can be difficult at times to locate where the Roots are on this album. Cousin is quite literally an opera in the sense that it has been cast with auxiliary performers like Raheem DeVaughn, Dice Raw, Greg Porn, Patty Crash, and Mercedes Martinez, relegating the Roots ostensible frontman, Black Thought, to a supporting role.

More than that, Cousin is barely a hip-hop record. Only three tracks When the People Cheer, Black Rock, and Understand approach the visceral drive of conventional rap. Elsewhere, short, obtuse tracks drift into one another, cultivating a jazzy, proggy murk. French experimental composer Michel Chion is deployed to supply mushroom clouds of deformed piano chords at the records midpoint. When the coolly charismatic Black Thought appears on When the People Cheer, its in the guise of a sex- and violence-obsessed hustler that teeters on the edge of hip-hop caricature but remains Rootsian in its bookishness: Lookin for a shorty coming home from work, that I can pervert / on my existential grind doing consequential dirt. Cousin has been described as satire, with its sights set on skewering mainstream raps moral wasteland, but the Roots arent funny enough (or at all) for the album to register as satire. Its more akin to an act of cultural criticism thats been commissioned by a popular website.

While listening to Cousin, I decided to catch up on the How Hip-Hop Failed Black America series. Not only because Thompson is a great writer, but also because the essays helped to decipher this disjointed new Roots record I was trying to get into. I dont know that Thompson intended How Hip-Hop Failed to double as liner notes for Cousin, but in effect thats what it is. You can hear the Roots on Cousin moving through the same terrain that Thompson works over in his pieces: how hip-hop came to subsume black music and then the entirety of black culture, how hip-hops everpresence can also be perceived as a kind of invisibility, and how the culture in its present state means something increasingly predictable, which means that it means less and less. Cousin is the Roots trying to be the change that Thompson wants to see in the world its a record (like so many other Roots albums) that tries to reposition black music outside the confines of rap, R&B, or any other established parameter of predictability for a hip-hop group. Whether Cousin succeeds as music is a question Ill set aside for now. But as music criticism, Cousin is definitely more interesting than the typical Is hip-hop dead? think piece.



Thompson didnt just recently become a musician who moonlights as a music critic I would argue that hes always been a music critic, its just that he usually uses his band, rather than a keyboard, to get his ideas across. This seems like ancient history now, but the Roots were once among the most prominent intellectual rap collectives that positioned themselves against so-called champagne rap. Back in the 90s, Thompson was getting reamed out by Puff Daddy for making fun of Biggie in the What They Do video. In 2001, when Jay Z called on the Roots to back him on MTV Unplugged, it was a true crossing of the streams. Remember when getting with him was such a controversial move? Thompson recalled in a 2011 Pitchfork interview. It was like the riskiest move I ever did in my life: Shall I take this call from Jay-Z?

Since then, Jay Z has of course become perhaps the most respected rapper (if not pop star of any genre) of his generation. As for the Roots, they now live a weird double life, known to most as the house band on The Tonight Show. Thompson does not directly address his day job in the Vulture series, but it must enter his thoughts when pondering raps everpresence. In one respect, a rap group assuming a mantle previously occupied by a big-band jazz ensemble during the Carson years and a vaguely jazzy soft-rock group during Jay Lenos tenure must be seen as a victory for hip-hop. Im sure Thompson himself sees it as a victory, in one respect anyway. But providing the (occasionally subversive) walk-on music for the symbol of TV network privilege might also (as Thompson writes about hip-hop in general) feel strange, not exactly hollow, but a little haunted for a man used to seeing himself as an outsider.

As the Roots round into our third decade, we shoulder a strange burden, which is that people expect us to be both meaningful and popular, Thompson writes at the close of the first Why Hip-Hop Failed piece. Cousin represents the meaningful part of that equation, and the sense of burden-shouldering is palpable. As stimulating as I find Thompson as a thinker on pop music no matter the medium hes using, Cousin is weighted with too many signifiers of an Important Artistic Statement for me to fully engage with it on an emotional level. Thompson is above all a music fan, and as a fan he should know that meaning comes first and foremost from an audience that has integrated a song or an album or an entire body of work into their daily lives. And this can happen only if the music welcomes the audience in. Cousin was made to be admired, and its deserving of that admiration. But an album that the majority of pop fans will have no interest in hearing (in part because its been rigged to turn those people off) can never be meaningful. Instead, Cousin stands as a strange, haunted, and ultimately hollow statement.

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140. "Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first...."
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Can't really take them seriously. I stopped reading there.

And I like those albums. But FOH mentioning those albums first like those were their peak or something, and then claiming you don't play any of their albums much.

If you don't value TFA and Illadelph like that, you can't tell me nothing about The Roots.

  

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141. "RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first....."
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Ehhh, I'm not sure if I'd lump everyone who thinks Game Theory is their favorite into that category. I got into the Roots because of TFA, so I certainly value it and all albums before it, but Game Theory is just one of my favorite albums period. A lot of people around here have GT as their favorite and this is OKP.

  

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143. "RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first....."
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>If you don't value TFA and Illadelph like that, you can't tell
>me nothing about The Roots.

Ditto. If those two aren't at least in your top 3 albums by The Roots, we have nothing to discuss.

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147. "cmon dude"
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extremely & unnecessarily dismissive

people can be different

some folks think TFA isn't all that

and that's OK, player

  

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144. "seriously"
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...I mean I know it makes me closed minded, but... I can't take you seriously once I read that. And I like everything in the catalog on *some* level.

  

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146. "as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single..."
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as my first Roots purchase, Game Theory is their best album

TFA is also highly overrated

but there are different experiences for different folks

being a fan police is never really a good look for a grownup male

  

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148. "Explain this ---> TFA is also highly overrated"
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You can't make a statement like that here without explaining your reason for feeling that way.

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152. "why not?"
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>You can't make a statement like that here without explaining
>your reason for feeling that way.

in retrospect maybe the use of the word "highly" was too much

but after DYWM & Illadelph?

yeah, frankly i was a little disappointed

not sure beyond that i have any need to explain myself

  

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149. "RE: as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single..."
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>TFA is also highly overrated
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how in the seven hells? please expound.

  

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150. "Fam...log off or explain below. "
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>TFA is also highly overrated

  

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154. "that's the thing...opinions can vary "
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I would never use the words "highly overrated" around when discussing TFA, but there have definitely been times where it wasn't my favorite Roots record. And there have also been times when I am confident it is their best.

As far as the article's writer mentioning more recent albums in the first paragraph, maybe it's because, y'know, he was provided some context by mentioning entries to the discog that have happened within the LAST DECADE? You guys crack me up.

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158. "who is being a "fan police"?"
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All I said was I can't take someone like that seriously, and don't care what they have to say about The Roots. I didn't say they aren't allowed to like what they like or have an opinion.

  

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155. "I went to target on Tuesday to get the album and couldn't find"
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It so I asked for help and the guy brings me a Roots DVD SMH, I ended up getting it at best buy

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156. "Since everyone's craving more Black Thought now would be a "
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Since everyone's craving more Black Thought now would be a great time for him to finally put out that solo album with Danger Mouse.

I like ...and then you shoot your cousin well enough but it is lacking in Black Thought. I appreciate the different approach they're taking with this album but like others mentioned above I hope there's a companion piece coming out in a few months.

  

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159. ""Listen & Then U Shot Ya-Self" Should've Been The Title"
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Rap music shouldn't make you feel depressed, Public Enemy always went that conscious/political issue stance but I feel like Blackthought & Quest tried to experiment and mixed the wrong chemicals.....again; now I'm not saying this was terrible or that the music isn't sonically bad but the whole vibe from it is just wrong.

I thought the last album was sad but this one makes you do want to go shoot ya cousin, except for one song.

This really does make me want them to get dropped by Def Jam and maybe they can go back to making good music on a small budget instead of trying to please their hipster/radio audience.

This makes me want to listen to more MMJB mixtape.

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161. "what an asinine statement"
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>Rap music shouldn't make you feel depressed

absolutely horrid to see long time members of the culture put the culture in a box like this

  

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164. "I don't think they are trying to please hipsters"
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or anyone else for that matter. I think they are just making music they want to make.

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160. "RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or..."
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Listened to it about three times through. Seems like the next logical step after Undun.

I like the experimentation a lot. Very atmospheric.

The thing I took away the most is that the Roots might be the only/most experimental rap group on a major label. Considering the current "sound" of commercial rap, this is absolutely the polar opposite. I think we should actually be thankful they still put out stuff at all. If the Roots were gone, no one could fill those shoes on any level.

I don't know if this is "hipster rap" on any levelI actually don't even know what that means, but I would be shocked if this is it.

I do look at their music in terms of their age.they're not the "battle hungry 20 year olds" they used to be. They're full grown men, have been around for eons in hip hop yearsand basically you're hearing the revelations of full grown men and it's sobering.


  

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163. "First Roots album in 21 years that I regret purchasing...."
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aside from The Dark Side and Tomorrow, this shit is basura.

What a let down.

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166. "Played All the Previews on iTunes "
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and listened to the song they played on Tonight Show.

No.

This seems to be a selfish attempt by Questo to create the band's Pet Sounds or White Album....it flat out sucks.

Concept albums are fine. Having a message is fine. But dammit play something people want to listen to.

PS. I was formerly known as 'Triumph' on the boards...been away for a minute.

  

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170. "Welcome back"
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179. "i'm sure you know this but snippets won't do"
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as far as getting a grasp for the album.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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167. "Not sure yet"
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Just being honest.


(I got NOTHING but love for The Roots.)

  

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168. "A couple positive reviews"
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/editorials/id.2408/title.the-roots-conceptual-death-the-freedom-of-f-k-you-money




http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmessitte/2014/05/24/how-late-night-gave-the-roots-artistic-freedom-and-how-its-paying-off/



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169. "you don't know what you got 'til it's gone."
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I've always made fun of the fact that Tariq couldn't go a verse without saying he was from Philly.

Now that we've got a whole album with zero Philly references...I..kinda miss it.

  

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172. "haha."
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171. "this album is getting more hate than the tipping point"
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which had been the worst received album on this site. funnily enough, the main complaint about the latest album is how little black thought appears on it, where the tipping point was almost a black thought solo album.

phrenology also received a lot of criticism, some of which qoolquest seemingly took to heart. this time i reckon he was probably even expecting this backlash, given how earnestly 'arty' the album is. people thought that phren was out of left-field - this is FAR more so.

personally, i've been playing ATYSYC on repeat and i love it. i've also played it for other people who aren't really fans of the roots and they also really dug it. i think time will be kind to this album, once people get over their initial shock!

  

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173. "I agree about time being kind to this album "
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at first I wasn't sure what to make of it but now I'm really enjoying it.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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174. "ATYSYC makes Phrenology sound like a State Property album"
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As I had mentioned in the Phrenology (or maybe TFA) retrospect post, it's crazy to look back and see what got people so unraveled in the past. I guess it's that whole "hindsight is 20/20" thing.

That said, this record has grown on me. Still not really what I want from the Roots...but I guess, as the popular-around-these-parts adage goes, maybe it's what I "NEED."

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176. "thing is, i don't totally disagree with all the criticism."
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i too would like to hear the roots make a record where it sounded like they were having fun, like they do with jimmy fallon.

this album is undeniable. nonetheless.

  

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175. "good post"
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it's a shame you couldn't post this as its own post & get as many replies as boombastic is getting for that masturbatory post of his

  

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178. "^^^this is where i am with this record"
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177. "These past 3 albums have gotten increasingly more religious,"
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and not in a uplifting, God is love type of message that some rappers preach, but in a "repent for your sins or go to hell" kind of way.

Besides that, sonically, I think this is their best album in a while. I usually listen to it twice in one sitting and the highlights are pretty good. The album flows together really well, the song structures are great, and Black Thought kills all his verses. The skits, as with most Hip Hop skits, have no playback and I skip The Devil & Dies Irae (and The Coming tbh) every time.

Despite the short length, seemingly Catholic messages, and boring interludes, I like this album a lot and I think it will be in my rotation for a while.

  

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180. "i like it but their albums seem more and more detached"
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all very much like conceptual projects

thats cool though - they do it well

and its something different for hip hop

but it would be nice to hear them drop all the 'we must say/do something important' and just make an ep of them cutting loose for once

  

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181. "Still haven't gotten the pre-order vinyl"
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Hopefully by Friday.

  

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190. "Got it today, and it was worth the wait"
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I ordered the vinyl set with the poster and a t-shirt.

This is the best shipping packaging job I've ever seen done for a record. The vinyl and shirt was shipped in a box about the size and height of a small pizza box and the vinyl is very secure it it. The vinyl is in PERFECT shape.

The poster was shipped in it's own tube, and the tube is sturdy and large enough for it.

It took a while to get here, but it was well packaged indeed.

Picture: https://twitter.com/tomhayes_sd/status/472590336234356736/photo/1

  

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182. "I actually really like this album"
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______________________________

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183. "this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove"
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Whats with all the r&b singing. Raheem DeVaugn??? WTF????????
This shit should be titled "Rising Down...even lower".
A couple of the tracks have a decent beat (with Black Thought).
But all the singing!!!!!
Its awful.
For the past ten years, I've been disappointed by their releases.
Phrenology was half decent. Just good enough.
Everything else after that has been forgettable.
In my opinion, these guys should just make film scores.
This pretentious sadness and despair that Questlove wants to impose on our ears is unbearable for me. These guys are rich. Where is the melancholy really coming from?
Its fake.

  

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184. "RE: this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove"
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>For the past ten years, I've been disappointed by their
>releases.
>Phrenology was half decent. Just good enough.
>Everything else after that has been forgettable.

Game Theory strongly disagrees with you.

  

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185. "the OKP or the album?"
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GT was borderline for me.
Strong opening, but even those songs don't really stick in my head like songs from Illadelph or Things Fall Apart.
Yea, I know they use a song from GT on Fallon's show and that movie with Zoe Kravitz, but big deal.
It wasn't their worst album, but it just sounds oddly dated to me. More dated than their '90s material.

  

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186. "i'm guessing you are in the minority on this one"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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188. "how DUMB"
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These guys are
>rich. Where is the melancholy really coming from?
>Its fake.

so if you have money that means you not sad? lol

and because you have money that inoculates you and your people from all lifes ills? lol

the people they grew up with in philly all rich too??? black community is rich and thriving and doing well?? lol

do y'all pay attention? have you read questos manifestos?? lol

i think a lot of y'all just now realizing ?uest is black. lol

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191. "wait. stop the presses. Questlove is BLACK?!?!?"
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Have you told anybody else?
This is vital information that needs to be heard.
.
Look, anyone of any race, or tax bracket can experience sadness and life's ills. But 2 albums (or more) of this perpetual depression from the Roots in just under 8 years?
Granted, you like this album. I don't.
But making their artistic choices a macro issue (i.e. the Black community) seems a bit disingenuous.
Even IF Questlove currently interacts with folks in Philly's hoods (who have been recently shot), he's only preaching to the choir.
This album will reach the ears of artsy bohos and "hipsters" (at best).
Most "juvenile delinquents" in the hood won't fuck with this.

  

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193. "yeah...you not very smart"
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>Have you told anybody else?
>This is vital information that needs to be heard.
>.
>Look, anyone of any race, or tax bracket can experience
>sadness and life's ills. But 2 albums (or more) of this
>perpetual depression from the Roots in just under 8 years?
>Granted, you like this album. I don't.
>But making their artistic choices a macro issue (i.e. the
>Black community) seems a bit disingenuous.
>Even IF Questlove currently interacts with folks in Philly's
>hoods (who have been recently shot), he's only preaching to
>the choir.
>This album will reach the ears of artsy bohos and "hipsters"
>(at best).
>Most "juvenile delinquents" in the hood won't fuck with this.
>

where did i say i liked the album? lol

you not even smart enough for the "quest is black" line

log off and go read a book

maybe start with BLINK...

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194. "and, you not good with grammar."
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You not know how to put the word "are" after "you".

  

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187. "I didn't like Undun at first but now love it"
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This one I'm not feeling but don't hate, I think I'll have to take it within a first more listens. If anything I appreciate that The Roots make music for repeat listening. Rising Down is the only album that I'm not able to listen to fully since their Def Jam switch. Not for everyone but does anyone thing that they're trying to get a radio hit with this one. I think they know that train is long gone and that they're really just making music to build their legacy as one of the most critically acclaimed bands of the soundscan era. They've definitely gotten to the top tier of hip hop discographies imo

  

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189. "I feel the exact same way on everything you said nm"
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welp

  

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192. "i don't think i really liked anything i heard"
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nothing grabbed me. of course, I only skimmed through, but even The Tipping Point had dope songs that hit me right away. The first single I've heard about 10 times, and it's just bland as fuck. I'll give this some time, and maybe its' standing will improve, but this is the worst roots album right now for me.


easily the worst roots album cover though. fuck this shit is ugly. I can only hope a lot of drugs were involved in the decision to accept this as the album cover.

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I said the same thing about the cover. All other album covers I'd flaunt except this and MAYBE RD. That one just scares me a bit lol

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196. "its funny how a lot of non okayplayers like this album"
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just from the people ive seen talking about it online on other sites.



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198. "Could you link some of these?"
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>just from the people ive seen talking about it online on
>other sites.


No snark or anything. I just would actually like to read what non-okp's are
saying about the album elsewhere. I just haven't seen anyone discussing it much.
It would be interesting.



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199. "This is really bad"
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I took a road trip to Sturgeon Bay on Tuesday night so I had the opportunity to listen to this album from beginning to end.

I like two songs on it: "Tomorrow," and "When the People Cheer."

There's nothing else I wish to hear again.

It would be nice if they could just release an album I could lift weight to for a solid hour, without having to get up, take the CD out of my stereo system after track 3 (with a butter knife of course because of my piece of crap Aiwa) and put in To Da Beat Ch'All or ATLiens or something solid.

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200. "So a month later is anybody still listening to this?"
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A one-stop page for new content from former Grantland-ers: https://twitter.com/grantlander33

  

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204. "yes"
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I've been playing it several times a week since it dropped - *and* it's made me go back to both HIGO and undun ... sort of put those records in a different perspective, almost like an unintended trilogy.

The record's great: it's ambitious, flawed at times, but I think it finally nails what they were going for on undun. Mandatory headphone listening. I'd love to hear more of it interpreted live...

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208. "I still listen occasionally"
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I've determined it is neither as bad as I thought it was when it came out, but nor is it as good as I hoped it to be before I heard it.

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201. "I love the new album"
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Listened to it four times today even.

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207. "Understand"
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followed by Black Rock. Never. The Dark.

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202. "WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?"
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203. "RE: WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?"
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Understand followed by The Coming

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205. "black rock"
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followed by the dark, the coming, understand.

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206. "Black Rock, Understand, Tomorrow "
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>

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209. "What's interesting is how different album cycles are for them now "
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Meaning, whether you love the new album or absolutely hate it, ATYSYC really doesn't have much of an impact on your experience with the band for long.

It's a common thing that occurs for bands that are late into their career, really. They release a new project with a bunch of songs, but (unless there is a smash late-career hit among the set), it's not like those songs are going to dominate their live show. For the most part, a band that has been playing this long is going to mainly perform their hits and more loved songs from their catalog, maybe occasionally sprinkling in a "this song is off our new album" joint.

With the Roots' current schedule and gig, this is magnified. Think about it, how often have you heard/seen a performance of "Make My," the lead single off 'Undun'? Or any other song from that album? You pretty much know what you're going to get with a Roots set these days (though I did think it was cool that their setlist from the last Picnic eschewed a lot of the staples for some different shit).

I guess what I'm saying is that if you love the album, you've got the album to listen to. And if you really dislike the album, you don't really have to listen to it and the Roots are still pretty much going to be around with very little reminders that this album exists.

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210. "i just have issues w/ this seeming desire that artists do what *we* "
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want them to

whether it's Nas, the Roots, D'Angelo, Miles Davis, Robert Glasper, Eminem, etc.

i am indeed guilty of it myself (Robert Glasper please make an acoustic piano trio album!), as are all of who love & place importance on the music we listen to & use to shape our own identities, but objectively it really seems to be unfair to the artists to judge them on this basis

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211. "I mean, I get that"
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and this conversation is invariably always going to refer back to the intro to TFA/"Mo Betta Blues" clip...

But it's an interesting dynamic because 9/10 times, the artist is making something that they're trying to SELL to US. So while I think that artists do need to be true to the message that they want to put out there and they should follow their muse, it's not entirely out of the question for the consumers (who are being targeted to support/buy the product) to want to have a say in what's being sold to them. No?

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212. "you definitley make a good point"
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but i love the record so it's a hard perspective for me to see

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214. "THE COMING?"
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yall satisfied with this track?

its more like an interlude

  

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215. "this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde"
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it fits as a piece in the album & goes "weird" places so as a song by itself it will puzzle many but as a section of a larger work of art it works just fine

Thought said explicitly in an interview the album is meant to be digested as a whole

but some folks just want rap songs

and that's fine, no snark

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217. "RE: this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde"
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I read that post....I'm not sure they wanted to understand your point of view. Not everyone views music as a form of art. Their loss, I suppose.

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216. "love it"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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219. "That's my second fav joint from the album"
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Always good to hear Jazzy's with The Roots

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218. "this album is actually really good. takes a while to grow on you."
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a lot of the hooks suck a bit but theyre not that disgustingly out of place or shoehorned in.

this album is good.

some of their best beats too actually.

  

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220. "It's better than Undun. Still in that space HIGO was for me"
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too much "concept", somber drums, what imvcspl said about the drums in the Bomb post, and not enough Thought

still a good record I prob won't revisit much after this week

  

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224. "it was absolute garbage then, still is"
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and i'm a die hard roots fan. love every other album, from organix to undun, but everything from the cover to the music was horrible. black thought was still nice, but without an acapella version, i'm not putting myself through the pain of listening to this album again.

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221. "How do you feel about this album in 2015?"
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222. "Still listen to it regularly, & now that winter's coming even more n/m"
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223. "Just listened to it for a first time in a while"
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still a solid album.

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225. "absolute garbage then, still is"
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and i'm a die hard roots fan. love every other album, from organix to undun, but everything from the cover to the music was horrible. black thought was still nice, but without an acapella version, i'm not putting myself through the pain of listening to this album again.

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229. "^^^^^"
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>and i'm a die hard roots fan. love every other album, from
>organix to undun, but everything from the cover to the music
>was horrible. black thought was still nice, but without an
>acapella version, i'm not putting myself through the pain of
>listening to this album again.

it's forgettable

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226. "RE: How do you feel about this album in 2015?"
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It's solid. 7/10.

5-6 really great songs and the rest was kind of meh. Feels incomplete, and almost like B-Sides to Undun.

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227. "Haven't listened to it in a bit, but I still liked it well enough last I..."
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Still needs more Black Thought, but stuff like "Black Rock," "The Dark," and "Understand" are all undeniably dope.

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228. "Tomorrow? Flames. The rest? Meh nm"
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230. "No joke, no snark, I don't remember a single song from it"
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It was a day-1 purchase, too. :/

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235. "^^^"
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231. "funny enough, I just revisited this album yesterday "
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I will say that after reading Questlove say that this was like Rich's 'Donuts' it made a little more sense to me. That said, it's not something that I really find myself wanting to revisit much, outside of like three songs. Ready for the next.

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232. "didn't really dig it when it came out."
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went back over the summer and realized I liked it. a lot. definitely too short and needs more Thought, but I dig the vibe of the album. that dark cloud ass music lol.

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234. "I can't sit through the whole album anymore"
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I feel I need a Cliff Notes to understand the album's concept. Figuring this album must be what most people feel when deciphering comment by 15.

Alot of the songs would be alright on their own, but they're too bleak without being visceral and impactful enough to make the effort worthwhile.

Best songs are:
Never, Black Rock, and Tomorrow

The coda at the end of Tomorrow is my favorite moment on the album.

That being said, I'd like to find out the context behind 15 saying that ATYSYC being Rich Nichols' "Donuts".

  

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236. "zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz"
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237. "RE: ... and the anonymous nobody"
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had the de la album on

and itunes runs into ...and then you shoot your cousin

I have to say

this album is f'n excellent

probably better listening in today's context

could be we weren't ready for what they were putting down?

anybody revisit this album?

I was really impressed with the replay value

just the Nina opener made my ears stand up k-9 style like...what's this

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238. "I'm re-listening to this right now"
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i thought it was garbage back then (as you can see from two of my replies). i'll respond in about 30 mins with how i feel now.

so far:

Theme From The Middle of the Night: okay, but not one of their better intros.

Never: Starts off dope actually. I really like the piano, drums, and Patty's voice at the beginning, but by the time BT is rhyming, the music has slightly changed, and it's barely okay. Thought sounds dope, but I wish the music hadn't changed.

When the People Cheer: Thought absolutely kills this. The beat isn't bad, but it isn't anything really memorable either.

The Devil: WTF. No real lyrics, nothing worth listening to here. Should have never been recorded.

Black Rock: So far, this is the best track, but that isn't saying much. I normally like Dice Raw's sung tracks (Undun for example), but hell no here. He ruins the song. The chorus is a FF moment.


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239. "The rest of the album:"
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Understand: Okay, this is actually dope. Not gonna make my top 30 Roots tracks, but legitimately dope. Black Thought's verse is far too short, but again, it's really fucking dope. Dice Raw and Greg Porn come correct. This might be the only song on the album that i listen to consistently.

Dies Irae: WTF is that intro? Shit is jarring. This is another skip. Fuck. No Black Thought, not even Dice or Porn?

The Coming: Great to hear Mercedes Martinez, but again: no Black Thought, no rhyming, and the beat is just okay.

The Dark (Trinity): Finally, another Black Thought verse! This one though, is just cool. Don't remember hearing this years ago. Thought and Porn rap with a very sleepy flow. It makes it hard to really tell if their verses are dope. Dice Raw kills this for me though. But again, the beat is just aight.

The Unravelling: Starts off very promising. I have no problem with mid tempo rap, but i do wish this would pick up some tempo. This is one of the better beats though. I can honestly say this is pretty good. Black Thought's verse is great, but alas it's just one short verse. Fuck.

Tomorrow: Drums instantly sound better than the rest of the album. Piano is pretty meh though, until about half way though the song, then the piano becomes absolutely beautiful. I wish it was that way throughout the song. Again, no Black Thought? WTF?



6 verses from Black Thought on 11 songs is just disappointing though, unless those other 5 songs were Malik B songs, which of course they are not. i'll change my initial review from garbage to borderline garbage, but yeah, i'm gonna act like this album never got made. This feels very much like a "we just wanna get out of our deal" album or "hey, we got all these scraps, what do we do with them?" album. and again, i love EVERY album from Organix to Undun, but hell no to this.




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240. "gonna listen again"
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I didn't care for it initially but now I'm like: hold up, there's a Roots album I don't like?

I gotta give this another spin.

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241. "same here... De La got me going back to these 00/10's Roots LPs....."
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....that I never threw myself into like I should have ....leave it to De La to open my mind to some shit I should have BEEN listening to ...Sorry 15, I fucked up








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242. "It finally hit me..."
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I was sitting in the bath while reading this post and the post Bombastic wrote referencing the decline in vitality in albums released by The Roots since Phrenology and an idea popped into my mind which could explain the increasing level of stiffness in their music.

Dilla is no longer a contributor.

As much as Game Theory is a protest of the Bush-era politics of its time, it could be argued that the anger and frustration in that record was informed by Dilla's passing.

The following four were made without ANY influence from Dilla, who was in many ways Quest's ultimate collaborator. Quest's ability to create landscapes for The Roots was never in question, but Dilla had a way of making those albums sound both of their time but forward leaning.

These last three records have been forward thinking and artistically interesting, but lacking the spark and emotion of their early albums had, especially TFA and Phrenology.

So, even though the band is probably as skilled and hungry as the band ever have been, without Dilla's yin to ?uest's yang The Roots aren't going to be able to strike that balance of protest and soul music that they were great at making in their prime.

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245. "this is a sentiment I've seen elsewhere; I think it's overblown"
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and I sort of addressed it (independent of this post, which I'm just now seeing as I read through this thread I fully ignored the past two years) below


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251. "Dilla only did Dynamite"
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253. "True"
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But it seemed to me that Dilla sat in on the recording sessions or at least was able to bounce ideas off of ?uest during the making of TFA and Phrenology. At least that's what I was able to piece together.

But others on here have talked about Dilla's influence, or more to the point, lack of influence, on the band and I've backed away from my idea that Dilla's passing affected the band's sound anymore than The Roots innate impulse to make music that was less funky and upbeat than what DYWM and TFA.

The other posters and IIRC some of Quest's interviews later on in the history of the band mentioned that over the years The Roots consciously decided to make serious records. If that's the case it's only natural that they would avoid sounding like TFA because it was a decision and not a lack of inspiration.

  

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243. "YouTube vid of ?uest describing the album's themes and structure"
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https://youtu.be/MfKFcyi1lzk

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244. "How do you feel about this album in 2016?"
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I've always liked it, but it came out right as I was getting out of the habit of writing about music, so I never addressed it much and let it sort of float away from me the way all new music did in 2014/2015, just going back to it every once in a while without any real intent other than listening to a Roots album I wasn't as familiar with as the others. Anyway, I've been listening to it all afternoon and I think it's pretty incredible as a thing to think about (I also felt this way about undun, for the record) but also think it undoes itself from being a classic with some bad musical choices that are even more striking on a 30 minute kinda-EP.

8.41/10

(all caps inserted where there were italics, except for album titles cause that's too much work)

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Collage artwork looms large over this album as both a concept and a rule. The cover art, licensed from perhaps the most famous collage artist in the history of the form - coincidentally, Romare Bearden was also a pioneer for civil rights reform in Harlem - composes the images of two men from the fragments of as many as fifteen different faces, from light to dark skin, full color to monochrome. The two men age from cranium to jawline back and forth across the spectrum of oldhead and babyface, two phrases which themselves pose an interesting juxtaposition: age has a way of removing the familiar features of your face, wiping away what makes you cute and charming and vibrant in favor of meat atop passageways atop bone atop...

Is it a coincidence that ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin came from The Roots' braintrust at the same time their Tonight Show cemented itself as the country's favorite destination for late night reprieve from the woes of the world, a place where Donald Trump could go to have his hair ruffled as the band responsible for songs such as "False Media" smiled silently in anticipation of the next commercial break where they'd play rearrangements of funk and soul standards?

undun was, is, to be frank and for all its imperfections, one of the most bold and astonishing recordings in hip-hop history. I still have no idea whether its duality was on purpose, but ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin has me leaning ever more severely towards yes, yes most certainly. In its execution, this album takes a different tact, allowing the band to fracture into more traditional roles, but it is even more incredible for it. The Roots offer a rumination on what it means for soul-rap, skinny jeans pioneer Kanye West to be primarily a trap artist in 2016; what it means for Black Thought and Greg Porn to be rapping with a casual viciousness akin to Wooh da Kid or Alley Boy when they could by all rights be reverting back to the picnic raps that made their first two albums such summer fun; what it means that they just don't have the time to sit in a bunker and bang out their response to untitled. unmastered., forget about To Pimp a Butterfly.

...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin is a profoundly dark album, even for a group that counts Game Theory, undun and Things Fall Apart among its discography. It whittles all the talking points of their past decade into small, almost disposable chunks. It nods towards the bleak experimentalism of late-period Radiohead (a favorite reference point for the band since Game Theory) with the composition of "Never", all gnarled synthetic orchestra and voices subsumed by technology. John Lennon née The Beatles' "Revolution No. 9", perhaps the only famous example of collage-as-music, earns a tip of the hat in the radio-glitch framework of "Dies Irae / The Coming". It has little time for anything other than its state of being, and that state is dark of night, disheveled hoodies slightly ajar as sighs emit exasperation and souls exchange planes of existence unconvinced of the timing, that the RIGHT ABOUT NOW of it is best.

...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin could just about get by on being Black Thought's lone verse on "Never" and a bunch of instrumentals and made its point, but as a three-act play the length of five viral Late Night videos, the album takes just enough time to expand on that song's primary thrust, perhaps best summarized by a quote from Kent Russell's I Am Sorry to Think I Have Raised a Timid Son: "...whatever it is that's out there- it's going to get in. No matter what. It's going to get me, in the end. Relieve me of my life. Contemplating this, I fell through to a sound sleep." The only real way to conquer a death-filled existence is to accept death and become it.

Like all albums of The Roots' making since Game Theory, ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin has its flaws. Dice Raw's chorus on "Black Rock" could very well be the worst thing this band has ever committed to tape, so blatantly tuneless and full of that tunelessness it can only be excused in concept (and even then, I think this is ?uest's friendliness getting the better of his musical intuitions). The album seems to be in a hurry to be over, leaving it to the listener to find the allegorical and symbolic value in it. A rare instance of an album leaving the listener wanting more and that being a bit of a deduction.

It is also pretty resolute in its distaste for humor, draping even their "Puck addresses the audience" moment in unwavering Christianity and a saccharine cadence that brings to mind the scrolling credits to a cynical romantic comedy in which the idea of romance was the joke. "The Coming" is a pretty psuedohymnal that seems unconcerned for its placement on a piece of pop music; I'm not sure I'm criticizing The Roots for making a Carla Bozulich tribute track, in fact I quite like it - but really? As one of just eight and a half actual original works? Maybe I'm just jaded.

After all, It's such a firecracker of an album. The lyrics are mostly whip smart and the production surprisingly contemporary for a band whose spent the better portion of the decade entrenching themselves in a sort of AOR rap bubble (that I love, others don't, whatever). True enough, its pocketbook nature emboldens the Black Thought purists amongst us ever more furiously, but trimmed by half and removed from the totality of a plot line this approach to what a "The Roots" album is for the first time feels entirely of a piece with everything else the record wants to express, rather than a platform for the band's (talented, but c'mon) friends to get some exposure at the expense of cohesion, or gratification. I grow weary of this album from time to time, sure - that'll happen when you wind up listening to something on repeat for two hours damn near every time you encounter it.

I've heard it pondered that the despair pervasive throughout The Roots' work since James Yancey's passing is a symptom of that death, but I don't buy that - they were already on this path when he was still a part of their collaborative process. More accurate, I think, is that these are men in their 40s in seats of great privilege, prominence and adoration, and yet black lives matter, still and most prominently, in the sense that they are so frequently lost. There is no one life that brings this worldview about, but all of them, from the root upward, wilting amongst water.

To quote self-immunization 'expert?' Tim Friede, from the aforementioned Russell book: "You have to become the snake. The snake - they call it a 'recessive' step when you lose something through evolution. But the snake IMPROVED itself by getting rid of legs, extra lungs, everything."

Or, quoting the same during a self-inflicted, venom-induced seizure caused by a series of four bites from the most venomous rattlesnake in the world over the course of a single day: "I am gloved in fire."


1|Theme from the Middle of the Night|1:27 4 - 4.25
2|Never|3:54 5
3|When the People Cheer|3:01 4 - 4.75
4|The Devil|0:38 4
5|Black Rock|2:41 4
This song is almost impossible to rate because every bit of it is so good except for the chorus which, again, I cannot understate, puts me in a vice and squeezes until I resemble a kesme noodle and back again.
6|Understand|2:50 4.5 - 5
7|Dies Irae|1:07 5
8|The Coming|3:01 3.25 - 4
9|The Dark (Trinity)|5:17 5
10|The Unraveling|4:20 4.25 - 5
11|Tomorrow|5:06 4

Overall: 48 - 49 4.41/5 87 - 89%: Exceptional; repeated listens demanded; BUY IT


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246. "Shouts to De La, once the ...and the anonymous nobody ended, my itunes"
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runs right into ATYSYC

I half think they may have done it on purpose

it's a great ablum.

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250. "I missed this last year. It's really well written."
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Your review makes me want to revisit this album and take it in with fresh ears.

  

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252. "thank you."
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247. "I still don't like it."
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Just not for me really. I almost feel like this album is in an entirely different genre from the previous ones. That's cool and all, but I like rap music.

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248. "Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others don..."
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"The Dark" is sooooo dope, I must've listened to it 20x in the past few days.

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249. "RE: Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others..."
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Not enough black thought. It's good. Bottom tier album by the roots though

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254. "only 6 Black Thought verses..."
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