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"Happy/Crappy 30th Birthday, MTV: (formerly Music Television)"


  

          

MTV made an impact on people of my generation just as the internet has made of a younger generation, in that once it became a primary means of entertainment and information, some wondered how we could've survived without it.

Of course music existed long before MTV came around, but MTV came out of a want/need to see those live performances and "promotional film clips" outside of specialized shows and any cable public access channels that were willing to find any content. You didn't have to wait for the end of "The Tonight Show" or the weekend to watch your favorite artists on "Solid Gold", "Soul Train", "The Midnight Special", or "Don Kirshner's Rock Concert", it was now all there. It was in many ways like musical porn: the idea that your favorite artists could be seen and heard at the same time, outside of your record covers and magazines? Crazy. Even though MTV ignored black artists for most of its first two years, it wasn't as if soul, funk, or jazz music videos weren't made. Ashford & Simpson made a video for "Is It Still Good To Ya", Champagne had "How About Us", Al Jarreau had "Thinking About It Too", and Chic had "I Want Your Love". As I state in the article I wrote last week about MTV's 30 anniversary, European audiences were already used to seeing "promotional film clips" long before American labels made it part of the accepted norm of promotion. Even in MTV's first two years, record labels felt little to no need to spend that much money on creating videos. It has been said that for some artists, they were given $1500, a room rental, and told to shoot. What did you get for $1500? Three music videos looking exactly the same, but a small chance to get on that silly and pointless MTV. In time, video budgets became bigger than the album itself, and everyone wanted a cut. Of course, while Duran Duran could fly to Sri Lanka, the S.O.S. Band were lucky if they could get to Stone Mountain, Georgia. Eventually that would change, but there was a time when MTV meant something. Here, I look back at a cable network that made me suck the teet on "the idiot box" for 14 years before it felt a need to grow up and try something new.

http://www.thisisbooksmusic.com/2011/07/28/dust-it-off-mtv-music-television-30-years-later/

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A younger generation is being told that they are addicted to the internet, Smart Phones, iPod’s and iPad’s. But 30 years ago, kids amongst my generation were becoming addicted to a few new things. In 1981, many of us were enjoying the wonders of video games, either at the arcade or with an Atari 2600 but most of us were finding ways to make usre of those spare quarters we found in the parents’ car ashtray. It may have been minor bloops and bleeps back then, but this was being able to play with things on a television screen. But there was also something else that some of us became addicted to almost instantly. It was a cable network from New York City that called itself MTV: Music Television, and it made its premiere on August 1, 1981. Today, MTV is very different from what it was and represented 30 years ago, and MTV is a brand/household name. What some may not realize was that MTV did not make an immpediate worldwide impact, it would take a few years. It also did not premiere across the United States at the same time. It would be shown in the Tri-State area, but as it drew attention to itself, cable systems felt it would be cool to broadcast the network. As an 11 year old music fan in Honolulu, the idea of being able to “watch” music 24 hours a day, all day, in stereo seemed like an oddity. Can you do that? Back then, people had schedules. For us kids we went to school from 7:45am to 2:15pm, came home, did homework, played outside. We watched cartoons at 3 or 3:30pm, watched until dad came home from work and then it was news time. That meant “shower” and prepare for dinner. We may have watched a sitcom at 7pm, and after one or two shows, my sister and I would go to sleep. I already had my own record player and radio so if I was not allowed to be in the living room after 8, I could play my records. If my dad wasn’t home, I could play my records on the living room stereo. That was my means of entertainment. The fact that one would be able to listen and watch to music 24 hours a day: what does that mean? I watched shows like American Bandstand and Solid Gold but it was such a foreign concept to me, that it made me curious. My parents would receive cable guides in the mail, and one day I read that something called MTV would be broadcast beginning on January 1, 1982. It gave me the number for the channel, and I looked everyday leading up to New Year’s. Nothing. Then one day, in fact it was December 25, 1981, I received an unintentional Christmas present: the gift of MTV. Well, maybe not 100% MTV, but Oceanic Cablevision were testing the signal. Okay, maybe not the satellite signal as I later found out that MTV was broadcast in Hawai’i in the early 80′s on a one week delay, like most of the programming from the mainland at the time. What I saw was people moving around, dancing, singing, and rocking out. The first video I ever saw on MTV was The Toasters‘ “Lois Lane”, where one or two of the guys sported double-necked guitars that spun around like ZZ Top would a few years later. I knew of double-necked guitars from seeing them on Led Zeppelin covers, but this seemed cooler. I would watch a few minutes everyday just to see this music, and on January 1, 1982, the audio kicked in. I loved the radio back then, so to be able to see this thing called “music videos” seemed so grown-up. On top of that, much of the music they played on MTV was not the normal music I had heard on my Top 40 radio stations. No one was really playing Pat Benatar, The Pretenders, The Cure, and as an 11 year old my radio listening habits were moving from AM to FM, so I wasn’t aware there was something called college radio. MTV, in the early days, played a lot of music from England and Europe that would be called “college rock”, and that’s because Europeans made it a regular practice to shoot what was called “promotional film clips”. We were listening and watching grown-up music, and it wasn’t quite the music my uncles or aunties listened to, it felt younger but appealing to kids my age. Once school started up again (Christmas vacation had wrapped up), it was pretty much all my friends talked about. MTV would eventually influence what music was played on the radio stations I listened to, and in Hawai’i at least, there would be one or two stores that made their own clothing with MTV logos, I had two of them. When MTV played videos that would be a “World Premiere”, people would pay attention because it meant this would be “the next big thing”. MTV completely changed my 11 year old mind, so when they ran commercials where artists yelled out “I WANT MY MTV!”, a lot of us said “I DO!”

It was impossible to avoid, now record companies were forced to put stickers on their records and cassettes which said “As Seen on MTV”, and it became a part of marketings. MTV began to promote itself heavily as the original VJ’s (Mark Goodman, Martha Quinn, J.J. Jackson, Nina Blackwood, and Alan Hunter) would visit various cities. In fact, I briefly met J.J. Jackson when he did an autograph signing at JCPenney at Ala Moana Shopping Center, and it made my year. I rocked because I met J.J.!!!

MTV would become a major part of my listening and watching habit for years. When I moved from Honolulu to the Pacific Northwest, I discovered that MTV ran live (or at least on a few hour tape delay) but it didn’t matter. I wanted to become a VJ, I wanted to “paint the mother pink” and win every contest they ever had. MTV used to ask for comments and I’d write to them every other week, never receiving a comment for years until one year, I received a call from Tom Freston, one of the founders of MTV. I don’t remember the exact letter which made him call me, but I wanted to know why MTV censored some videos and how some could get away with things. I was very technical, not bad for the average 15 year old MTV viewer, but we talked for what felt like an hour but was probably close to 15 to 20 minutes. In my mind, I thought “yes, I’d like to be an MTV VJ one day.”
As for MTV’s current programming lineup: I hate it. I fondly remember when MTV played 14 music videos an hour, and today it’s far less than that in a week. In fact, I don’t know if they have specialized hours at 3 or 4 in the morning where it might show… something. Truth be told, MTV were already testing the waters by showing programs that weren’t created by MTV,including IRS’ The Cutting Edge, but it was still music. They had Half Hour Comedy Hour, Remote Control, but again it was still music. Once they started doing The Real World and realized people watched something other than music, and that people reacted to it more than the videos, that’s when things changed. MTV had a lot of glorious moments in the late 80′s/early 90′s with the explosion of hip-hop, “alternative”, dance, and heavy metal, but there was also something called Black Entertainment Television. The only black people you saw on MTV in the early days, outside of VJ J.J. Jackson, were bassists, drummers, and non-lead singers for British bands. Name them? Sure:

Deon Estus (bassist for Wham!)
Tony Butler (bassist for Big Country and Pete Townshend)
Blair Cunningham (drummer for Haircut 100
Mikey Craig (bassist for Culture Club)
Neville Staple (vocalist for The Specials and Fun Boy Three)
Lynval Golding (vocalist for The Specials and Fun Boy Three)
Ranking Roger (vocalist for The English Beat)

Even longtime David Bowie bassist Carlos Alomar, who is Puerto Rican, was considered exotic in those days.

I mention this because for years, MTV had been pointed out for being a very white cable network. Arguably it’s true, but this was also at a time when most Americans felt ska was “white man reggae”, not realizing that ska was actually an ancestor of reggae, not a white version of it. In the early days of MTV, it ran a hell of a lot of artists who were heavily influenced by ska and reggae, including Culture Club, The Specials, The English Beat, The Police, The Clash, and of course the almighty Madness. Even Paul McCartney, a champion of the music video, embraced ska and reggae for years, so one might be able to watch the video for “Take It Away” and not realize the intro is one of his many odes to the island of Jamaica. MTV seemed to treat anything black as if it was a taboo subject, look at the success of videos for Modern English‘s “I Melt With You” and Squeeze‘s “Black Coffee In Bed”:


“I Melt With You” became the group’s first and only U.S. hit, and it’s still played to this day. While “Black Coffee In Bed” was not a giant hit for Squeeze in the U.S., in retrospect it seemed like a touchy subject for a very “sanitary” cable network like MTV to be covering. Then there was INXS‘s “Original Sin”, where part of the chorus goes “dream of white boy, dream of black girl”. It seems so oddly tame today, and yet as a kid it wasn’t something you normally heard on the radio or even on TV. It was like the stuff on All In The Family you weren’t allowed to watch or see, which is odd considering I’m multiracial and lived in a place with a very diverse amount of ethnicities. It was as if my mind was opening up to the reality of the world outside of my immediate vicinity, and it was great.

MTV did not mind featuring a few Asians here and there:
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Regardless of what was shown, I ate it up and it opened up my world to a lot of incredible music, and it was cool to share your interests with friends at work. As I became “of age”, I kept watching, loved 120 Minutes, Alternative Nation, and YO! MTV Raps, I even watched Club MTV but that was more for eye candy. Hated when the mid-90′s came and YO! was removed and the network seemed to be possessed by the power of Carson Daly. I foolishly hated what he represented, as someone who had taken away by MTV, when all he was doing was trying to hustle, work, and keep making money, not being aware that he had roots in radio. I don’t hate him anymore, and I’ll watch Last Call With Carson Daily on NBC from time to time.

Maybe with ego, I can say that when MTV removed the Music from their equation, it was a long time coming. I remember reading that they felt a need to take it away because it was obvious music was not paying the bills. People watched shows, MTV puts on commercials throughout the shows, MTV charges for that advertising, and the more people watched, the more money they could charge. The influx of mundane reality shows we suffer through today had its roots on a music cable network, but I can also look at Robin Leach and Lifestyles of The Rich & Famous and blame that show for the push to fetishize celebrity fandom. Then again, I roamed magazine sections (remember those?) at supermarkets as my mom would shop. I’d look for music mags but also see Rona Barrett rumor magazines and I’d ask myself “who cares?” But in MTV’s case, a lot of people cared for what they did, even though many rejected the notion of what they were doing. On one hand, they brought more music to people at one time than ever, back when radio airplay was based on local/regional tastes from the public. MTV became a national and global radio station, which was something the music industry was pushing for in a new way to market/sell their music. MTV made it official, and both coincided with the changes in the music industry, all without carrying about such new things as the compact disc and eventually the internet and the MP3. When the internet became the primary way to discover music, when it became a source of music and information that MTV no longer provided, the network eventually jumped ship and was more than happy to make everyone swim to wherever. With new technologies, it lead to new interests so it seemed music became less important, or not the “hip” thing kids flocked to these days and yet music remains a declining money-making industry. In a few years, perhaps all music intellectual property will be owned by non-music related entities, but then again, Warner Bros. Records were once owned by a company that specialized in parking lots.

Anyway, MTV was once a beautiful woman, or at least a lot of us believed in the myths she helped to create. A lot of us now wish the woman would either change her name completely or have some serious plastic surgery done to itself. MTV: I used to love H.E.R., but it eventually killed itself, with apologies to Axl Rose. In honor of MTV’s 30th birthday, let’s sing a song which showed Jello Biafra spoke the truth back in 1984.

You allowed many of us to never look at music the same way again, back when looking at music was limited to having an imagination while staring at record covers, inner sleeves, and magazines. MTV: you broke my heart, but I’m thankful for what you used to mean.

In the words of the honorable Beck Hansen, fake it till you make it, indeed. Weedwack that thing.
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Its such a shame what happened to MTV...
Aug 01st 2011
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The Week In Rock; Rockumentaries & Yo MTV Raps
Aug 01st 2011
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see... MTV is like SNL.
Aug 01st 2011
3
      yup.
Aug 01st 2011
10
      Ozzy said in an interview, around 90-91 or so
Aug 01st 2011
18
anybody watch VH1 Classic this past weekend?
Aug 01st 2011
4
wtf? i missed an interstitial????!!!!!
Aug 01st 2011
5
LOL
Aug 01st 2011
7
      The bumpers?
Aug 01st 2011
19
      RE: LOL
Aug 01st 2011
25
           Yeah, they showed the Jimmy the Cabbie stuff
Aug 01st 2011
32
yeah, i wanted to catch Aeon Flux on Liquid Television.
Aug 01st 2011
13
they showed a couple of those.
Aug 01st 2011
14
RE: yeah, i wanted to catch Aeon Flux on Liquid Television.
Aug 01st 2011
47
what era constitutes classic?
Aug 01st 2011
16
They offered a fair sampling of the past 30 years
Aug 01st 2011
17
I spent some time with it yesterday
Aug 01st 2011
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      I don't remember George Michael's Unplugged either.
Aug 01st 2011
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           Yeah they running it all day today too
Aug 01st 2011
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                Unplugged started 89 or 90, I think
Aug 01st 2011
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                     Just noticed it says "1991 MTV 10th anniversary live" below
Aug 01st 2011
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lol @ your first video being the Toasters
Aug 01st 2011
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i'd forgotten how bizarre MTV used to be.
Aug 01st 2011
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RE: i'd forgotten how bizarre MTV used to be.
Aug 01st 2011
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The most surprising artist I first heard of from a music video
Aug 01st 2011
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the change in MTV was inevitable.
Aug 01st 2011
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yeah, I get really irritated by cats who complain about
Aug 01st 2011
12
MTV started out as being FM Radio for the eyes, so with that said...
Aug 01st 2011
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      Shit, I just realized the old '80s Friday night concert series
Aug 01st 2011
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Who were your favorite VJ's/news personalities?
Aug 01st 2011
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lol... my favorite was Alan Hunter when I was a kid
Aug 01st 2011
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I loved the Spring Break
Aug 01st 2011
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I don't think anybody would dispute this:
Aug 01st 2011
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Yup. I missed not a single ep through the Back to NY 01 cast
Aug 01st 2011
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RE: I don't think anybody would dispute this:
Aug 01st 2011
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      Season 2 was LA right?
Aug 01st 2011
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RE: I loved the Spring Break
Aug 01st 2011
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i wanted to bone Simon Rex, Eric Nies and Dan Cortese.
Aug 01st 2011
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The five originals, plus...
Aug 01st 2011
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cosign here re: Kev Seal -
Aug 01st 2011
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I loved me some Serena Altschul
Aug 01st 2011
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      Fuck. I forgot about her. She was the Claire Danes of MTV
Aug 01st 2011
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RE: No one saying Jesse
Aug 01st 2011
48
What A Great Channel MTV Was
Aug 01st 2011
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RE: What A Great Channel MTV Was
Aug 01st 2011
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      RE: What A Great Channel MTV Was
Aug 01st 2011
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slight post jack
Aug 01st 2011
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yeah... I'm not convinced you can make that lightning strike twice
Aug 01st 2011
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I found an old photo of actress Kiele Sanchez in my U-WU folders
Aug 01st 2011
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Lots of VJ's That Went On To Be Successful
Aug 02nd 2011
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wow @ 'no MTV VJs at this time'
Aug 02nd 2011
51
      isn't AMTV the only video show on the channel?
Aug 02nd 2011
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           But they don't even have ONE on-air host?
Aug 02nd 2011
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                the closest they get are the game show hosts.
Aug 02nd 2011
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                     what game shows do they have now?
Aug 02nd 2011
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                          yup.
Aug 02nd 2011
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                               LOL yeah TJ ain't no face of the network
Aug 02nd 2011
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                                    right.
Aug 02nd 2011
59
i found out kurt cobain died from kurt loder on MTV News
Aug 02nd 2011
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Courtney Love.
Aug 02nd 2011
60
Tabitha Soren.
Aug 02nd 2011
61
the Cobain scroll came across the screen around 4:30 that afternoon.
Aug 04th 2011
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1. "Its such a shame what happened to MTV..."
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It really was the voice of the generation, I freakin loved watching videos, even though when I started watching for real (late 90s) is when the first signs of crap started.

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2. "The Week In Rock; Rockumentaries & Yo MTV Raps"
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kept me glued. Tabitha Soren was just the dopest ever.

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3. "see... MTV is like SNL."
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Everybody is ALWAYS talking about how it sucks now, and they've been saying that almost since the beginning.

I mean, you're talking about how the first signs of crap showing up in the late 1990s? Well, I can remember people already complaining about the first signs of crap in the late 80s when non-music shows like "Remote Control" started up.

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10. "yup."
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fuck you.

  

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18. "Ozzy said in an interview, around 90-91 or so"
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..."it's become the cartoon/game-show channel"

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4. "anybody watch VH1 Classic this past weekend?"
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They were airing classic MTV programming 24/7... vintage ads, shows, videos, interstitials, the works!

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5. "wtf? i missed an interstitial????!!!!!"
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7. "LOL"
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You know, those little cartoons they used to do between shows and ads... or like those Denis Leary rants, "BOOKS: Feed Your Head" and all that.

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19. "The bumpers?"
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Yeah, those old bumpers were one of the best parts of the network.

My favorite was the "sandwich" one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID47s8-P-Ww

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25. "RE: LOL"
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yeah they were great. remember the cab driver dude? they had some really weird stuff. they should make a compilation of all those clips.

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32. "Yeah, they showed the Jimmy the Cabbie stuff"
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and Ben Stiller's "short films"

I wish they had shown those Romany Malco ones too, though... they've mostly been forgotten it seems

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13. "yeah, i wanted to catch Aeon Flux on Liquid Television."
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i used to really like the short eps they originally aired on Liquid TV.

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14. "they showed a couple of those."
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It was weird seeing how quaint they look now... those the innovation still shines through, mostly

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47. "RE: yeah, i wanted to catch Aeon Flux on Liquid Television."
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my dude...Aeon Flux!
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17. "They offered a fair sampling of the past 30 years"
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or more accurately, probably the years between 1981 and 2003 or so.

I enjoyed the 1981-91 stuff most, though.

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40. "I spent some time with it yesterday"
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It was cool seeing Donal Logue as Jimmy the Cab Driver (made me pissed about Terriers being cancelled again though) LL on Remote control was pretty funny... George Michael killed Freedom in his unplugged set (I don't even remember seeing that) and seeing a clip of Real World SF with the whole Puck vs Pedro thing reminded me of just how "real" reality tv was back then.

I set my dvr for about 10 hours of it today... I need to be able to jump to the shit I want to see without wasting time with the House of Style type shit. I thought they did a good job showing a lot of different programing from back in the day though.
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41. "I don't remember George Michael's Unplugged either."
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Not sure I ever even heard of it till just now... and I was a major GM fan in the early 90s.

Yo, so they're supposed to do some more MTV 30 today? I thought it was just for the weekend...

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43. "Yeah they running it all day today too"
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Here's the George Michael performance I'm talking about.

http://youtu.be/zX23cKZKeQ0

It might not have been unplugged actually.... this says 91. When did unplugged start?
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44. "Unplugged started 89 or 90, I think"
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and that looks like the Unplugged stage... but somehow I don't think it's the actual Unplugged show either.

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45. "Just noticed it says "1991 MTV 10th anniversary live" below"
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but yeah it does look like the unplugged stage which is why I thought that's what it was.
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6. "lol @ your first video being the Toasters"
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I don't even remember seeing that one.

I have no idea what the first video I saw was, but I do remember some early stuff very clearly:

-Closet Classics, with all the videos I found out somewhat recently came from Musikladen - most especially Deep Purple's Highway Star
-the Elvis Costello black and white video(s) where he's at a podium
-the B&W videos from Face Dances
-how big a deal it was when Thriller was made
-AlTV, especially when Weird Al showed the video for Once in a Lifetime and kept having them play that part where D. Byrne's doing the weird chopping motion down his arm, over and over

For me, MTV was big when I was really maybe 10-13; by the time I got older my tastes had changed enough that I was watching less. I still remember all the big videos from the mid-80s too, of course - Land of Confusion, Bad, Fat, Boy in the Bubble, Sledgehammer, Freefallin', You Can Call me Al.

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8. "i'd forgotten how bizarre MTV used to be."
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27. "RE: i'd forgotten how bizarre MTV used to be."
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yep, a lotta weird stuff went down on that channel.

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9. "The most surprising artist I first heard of from a music video"
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(in this case it was the fledgling VH1, but... same kind thing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otY7bNR9nCM

I remember seeing that video in 1986 or 1987 and being amazed at how beautiful the guitar part was. I went to the mall that Friday night (as my friends and I did many Friday nights) and copped the Mudlark album from Wee Three Records and I've been a big fan ever since.

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11. "the change in MTV was inevitable."
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i barely remember when the channel only aired music videos 24/7. i'm not sure that ever happened? i dunno.

anyway, it couldn't just air videos 24/7 b/c that wouldn't have held our attention for 30 yrs. i get that. and i'm fine w/it b/c i have MTV Jams, VH1 Soul, VH1 Classic, and MTV Hits. they air videos 24/7 (except Classic which also shows movies and other programs).

the change i most appreciate though is the channel's move away from a rock-centric/rockist perspective/bias. i wonder if the channel drove the mainstream youth culture toward Hip-Hop and Pop, or if the youth culture drove the channel toward Hip-Hop and Pop. either way, that's where MTV is now. there's still some Rock in there, but it's sort of a niche thing...an after thought. seems like Rock is treated like the channel used to treat Hip-Hop. it still ignores R&B, for the most part, but oh well.

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12. "yeah, I get really irritated by cats who complain about"
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MTV not showing music... I hated it 15 years ago and I hate it even more now that YouTube has made that programming model beyond obsolete.

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35. "MTV started out as being FM Radio for the eyes, so with that said..."
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...it was very much rockist from day one. Pop had always been there, but MTV did have The Go-Go's, Katrina & The Waves, Scandal, and others that weren't exactly edgy, but was perceived that way because they were women, and "more accessible" than someone like Siouxsie Sioux.

While MTV helped to define a part of a generation, I also think a generation of youth would eventually define MTV from 1995 on, and arguably 1986 on. Yet it was *always* youth driven, and with youth comes disposable income. VH-1 was of course "Video Hits One", and that was meant to represent what people were meant't to listen to... I don't know, after college? 25 and older? I mean, for a year or two it seemed VH-1 broadcasted from the production booth, very public access. MTV always had the full room. If VH-1 was meant to be like coming back after a club to mellow out while listening to Johnny Cash, it worked for at least 10 years.

But I agree, MTV knew early on it had to make money to stay alive,and initially they did have programs like "Liner Notes", concerts on Saturday, and other music shows that allowed them to run commercials. The MTV Video Music Awards was a major way for them to bring in an audience that would nornmally not want (or care) for 24 hours of music, so if they saw Eddie Murphy or Joe Piscopo, that allowed people to go "wow, there's music on here, but my favorite comedian is here too."

MTV also did better at programing "classics" than VH-1, when they started broadcasting The Monkees and then ran videos licensed from The Beat Club, it was very much what now defines "classic rock" as a format. In terms of promotion, MTV highlighted RCA's failed CED disc player. The CED was an analog version of the laserdisc, in that the CED actually had grooves that read the video signals in analog form. MTV would play The Who, Fleetwood Mac, and other videos that were on the format, and this was "the next big thing". It failed, but it was an attempt to find sponsorship and more sponsorship.

If anything, MTV definitely succeeded in being a million dollar network, but it did so by eventually leaving the "M" behind. Just as BET was improving with quality and programming, Viacom buys them. Fuel TV was an attempt and bringing back the vibe that MTV used to be about, but that's fairly low key. When artists promote videos, it's done without MTV standards, it immediately goes on YouTube or Vimeo. MTV is no longer relevant even though they try to make themselves out to be. Okay, they're relevant for reality shows, but for music: no longer.

I wish their subsidiary networks received more attention and were on all cable/satellite providers, but it had a good run for half of its life so far.




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38. "Shit, I just realized the old '80s Friday night concert series"
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was the first place I ever heard Los Lobos. Probably 1987. Crazy.

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15. "Who were your favorite VJ's/news personalities?"
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Like I said above, Tabitha Soren & Allison Stewart were my favorite news personalities. I thought Kurt Loder was pompous as hell growing up but I appreciated him much later, particularly after getting into his written work.

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20. "lol... my favorite was Alan Hunter when I was a kid"
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Had li'l crushes on Nina Blackwood, Karen "Duff" Duffy, and Ananda Lewis... of course, Martha Quinn...

Had the same reaction to Kurt Loder.

And loved Colin Quinn on "Remote Control", like all who watched the show.

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21. "I loved the Spring Break"
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Bill Bellamy and Daisy Fuentes and Eric...oh and Dan Cortese!

And I loved Rock N Jock Basketball too. The Rick Mahorn/Johnathan Taylor Thomas battles were hysterical (ah I'm a cornball sue me lol)

and sue me again but the first few seasons of Real World were AWESOME.

  

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22. "I don't think anybody would dispute this:"
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>and sue me again but the first few seasons of Real World were
>AWESOME.

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23. "Yup. I missed not a single ep through the Back to NY 01 cast"
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I have a VHS somewhere where I taped the entirety of Season 1 during a marathon.

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26. "RE: I don't think anybody would dispute this:"
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Season 1 & 3 were good. Season 2 was full of obnoxious self-absorbed assholes. The only difference between it and later seasons of the show is that most of them had jobs (which never happens anymore) and they weren't all fucking each other.

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42. "Season 2 was LA right?"
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The one with the Tammy-David incident?
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28. "RE: I loved the Spring Break"
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agree with everything you said. remember the really high baskets where you would get 25 points if you made it in?

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24. "i wanted to bone Simon Rex, Eric Nies and Dan Cortese."
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like, really badly.

fuck you.

  

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33. "The five originals, plus..."
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Carolyne Heldman, Karyn Bryant, Serena Altschul, Kennedy, Ananda Lewis, Randee Of The Redwoods.

I used to hate Kevin Seal big time, and when I realized he was from up here in the Pacific Northwest, I then realized "oh, his sarcasm is deliberate." He arguably paved the way for the grunge to come.




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>He arguably paved the way for the
>grunge to come.

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39. "I loved me some Serena Altschul"
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https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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46. "Fuck. I forgot about her. She was the Claire Danes of MTV"
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48. "RE: No one saying Jesse"
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ya'll remember the lanky looking dude who won the VJ spot

  

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29. "What A Great Channel MTV Was"
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The State, Buzzkill, Real World (when it was good), the movie and music awards, Spring break, weird commercials, The Tom Green Show, Week In Rock...I could go on.

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30. "RE: What A Great Channel MTV Was"
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Yo MTV Raps, Remote Control.

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31. "RE: What A Great Channel MTV Was"
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Jon Stewart and Ben Stiller shows.

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36. "slight post jack"
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on MTV2 now on the last Saturday of every month they're gonna start airing 120 Minutes with Matt Pinfield at like 12pm CDT. I tried to go to the mtv.com website to confirm the time, but they only list the listing for the upcoming week, so be sure to keep up with this until the end of the month if you are so inclined.

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37. "yeah... I'm not convinced you can make that lightning strike twice"
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we're they talking about resurrecting Yo! MTV Raps a little while ago too? (or did they actually do it?)

Those eras are gone... You can't bring back that magic.

That said: I'm happy to see Matt Pinfield back on TV anyway.

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49. "I found an old photo of actress Kiele Sanchez in my U-WU folders"
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I watch her in THE GLADES (don't judge me) but thought wait, this photo is dated 10 years earlier, I never knew who she was back then. Did a Google search, discovered she was one of the Top 5 contestants in the first WANNA BE A VJ contest that Jesse Camp won. I then remebered I thought she was cute, but in all seriousness I liked her because she seemed "MTV worthy", in the sense that she seemed professional and knew what she was doing.






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50. "Lots of VJ's That Went On To Be Successful"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MTV_VJs

there was so many random shows that were pretty good that i forgot about.

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51. "wow @ 'no MTV VJs at this time'"
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Not even ONE?

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52. "isn't AMTV the only video show on the channel?"
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and it's autopilot.

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I guess when you think about it, there's really no place to fit one in... but it's just strange to think about.

The VJs used to be the faces of MTV... Now that role's filled by Snooki, The Situation and the Teen Mom chicks.

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54. "the closest they get are the game show hosts."
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55. "what game shows do they have now?"
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You talking about the Challenges and stuff? TJ Lavin?

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56. "yup."
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fuck you.

  

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57. "LOL yeah TJ ain't no face of the network"
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I'm surprised enough that I even remembered his name

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59. "right."
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i didn't realize the channel has only ONE video show until i made that reply earlier.

i seriously can't think of another one except AMTV. hell, i think VH1 has more video shows that MTV. there's that countdown show and some sort of morning video block.

oh wait, i think MTV airs videos late at night too. i feel like i've seen that when i've been up real late on...umm...stuff.

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58. "i found out kurt cobain died from kurt loder on MTV News"
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5 pts to the person that can name his pale, red head sidekick.

  

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60. "Courtney Love."
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*rimshot*

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61. "Tabitha Soren."
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62. "the Cobain scroll came across the screen around 4:30 that afternoon."
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"Lip Service" (was Leguizamo the host of that?) was on.

They broke in shortly later.

  

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