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>>"President Richard Nixon himself could sympathize with this
>>definition of Black Power. He declared in a 1968 speech that
>>"hat most of the militants are asking is not separation, but
>>to be included in--not as supplicants, but as owners, as
>>entrepreneurs--to have a share of the wealth and a piece of
>>the action." Federal government programs, Nixon said, should
>>"be oriented toward more Black ownership, for from this can
>>flow the rest--Black pride, Black jobs, Black opportunity
>and,
>>yes, Black Power."
>
>You can't just offer a fragment of a quote or an episode
>without providing its entire context and think that you are
>telling the truth.
>
>>Richard Nixon floated that rhetoric because he and his
>people
>>believed it would work politically. Not because he himself
>>believed it....
>
>Yeah, you know that NOW after I posted up more context for
>your deceptively incomplete anecdote... but that's not the
>reality you were trying to present at the time. The post is
>still on the boards, man.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=151272&mesg_id=151272&page=#151564
multiple times in my post I referenced Richard Nixon's disdain for Black people
"Well not withstanding the behind the scenes audio of Richard Nixon showing a complete disdain for Black people...."
"or should I say that at least he professed it to be less than negative publiclly.....obviously based on Nixon's tapes, he did not respect Black people."
So the idea that YOU needed to place Richard Nixon in context is completely riddicuolous because I had already done so in my posting. You have a history of doing this type of thing, dismissing something Warren Coolidge says then going back and simply repeating what Warren Coolidge already said. It reeks of some pretty major insecurities actually.....
>
>The fact that he floated that strategy tells
>>you that there were segments in society that believed Black
>>Power was not necesarily tied to violent overthrow and
>racial
>>riots.
>
>And here is where you completely misinterpret it again. If you
>bothered to read any kind of the material I posted, you would
>see that people who were in Nixon's administration admitted
>that it was done precisely to SUBVERT violent overthrow and
>riots. I think the term used was "pacifying the natives" (or
>something).
>
yeah....well Richard Nixon got elected by talking tough against protesters and agitators...Conservatives in America embraced him as one who would crack the baton on the types who were protesting at the democratic convention. His people realized that strategy would work with many americans. Similarly he knew that associating Black power with Black people's participation in capitalism would work to get some Black support from people like James Brown, and was something that moderate White Republicans could accept....the type of moderate point of view that say the late Jack Kemp had ....a republican with a history of fighting for civil rights for Black people, both as a professional football player and a politician..... that type of socially moderate conservative republican would completely accept Nixon's premise on this issue. Richard Nixon had about as intensely strategic group of advisors as any President in history...obviously that led to the adminsitrations demise. The idea that Richard Nixon would say or do anything in a speach that didn't have a very specific target and purpose is completly devoid of fact and shows a lack of understanding about this particular issue.
>> Obviously you cannot comprehend that attitude choosing
>>to characterize anything associated with the Black
>(American)
>>Power movement as something negative that a Black man whom
>you
>>respect, James Brown, rejected the notion.
>
>I didn't say that Black Power was negative...
absolutely you did. It's one of your primary mantras on this board.... Black Power...Black Nationalism...Black revolutionary mindsets....Pro-Black hip hop were destructive...... Don't try and act now like you're down for the cause.....
I simply said
>that James Brown rejected radical Black Power philosophy and
>its proponents such as the BPP.
and in that post I demonstrated just the opposite with direct quotes from The Godfather of Soul.
He said that shit in TWO
>autobiographies, which I quoted...
Autobiographies written after he had basiclly compromised everything he had stood for during the prime of his career.....I mean James Brown had become a drug addict.... and married a woman who wasn't Black..... That along with his age..yeah of course he wasn't going to support something in his book at that point that was contradictory to the life he was living at the time.... I mean take Kareem Abdul Jabbaar for example.... look for quotes from him when he joined a more millitant sect of American muslims in his younger days and compare that to what he said when he was in his 40s living in Los Angeles with his white jewish baby momma.... I mean things change ....but James Browns actions and words and purpose in the 70's stand on its own. Either he did and said those things or he didnt.
It's not like I made any of
>this stuff up. I'm sorry if it's hard to swallow but truth
>hurts sometimes.
none of what you posted from his autobiography erases what he did in his past...either he did it or said it..or he didn't. It's that simple.
>>Dude you really shouldn't bring up one of the many debates
>>where I completly destroyed you....lol. It would be like Joe
>>Frazier going up to George Foreman talking about their
>>fight....lol.
>
>LOL Yeah you destroyed me... which is why after I posted the
>full story of Nixon's Black Power initiative and illustrated
>that you only posted a fragment of it and the post got locked
>before you could reply, you sent me a stuttering inbox trying
>to plead your case and fretting about what other OKPs would
>think now that posterity had captured you expressing support
>for Nixon.
The post was locked and you needed to know that your attempt to avoid that Nixon quote by claiming I supported Nixon's views was plain stupidity and intellectual dishonesty. You also needed to know that your polticial viewpiont is more in line with Richard Nixon's than mine. YOU claim to be a Black conservative...not me. If Richard Nixon was running against Obama today you'd probably vote for Nixon.... So please Mr. Black Conservative...don't act like fellow conservative Richard Nixon is something you reject. He's on your team player, not mine.
>
>Yeah, you seemed REAL confident about your win there, man.
>
>(I really HATE referring to inboxes and other personal
>communication, btw... but you're being extremely dishonest
>here and what the hell, you have made reference to inboxes
>I've sent you too)
>
>
>>You rode Warren Coolidge's coattails for far too long..lolol.
>
>>What can I tell you...at the end of the day you made
>personal
>>attacks and characterizations about Warren Coolidge. Then
>when
>>confronted about your expressed disdain, lack of experience
>>with, and lack of understanding about Black American culture
>>you pulled the victim card and cried about that being
>>unfair.... If you couldn't take the heat you should have
>>watched your mouth... I'll keep my hand, thank you very
>>much...everything that Warren Coolidge represents in the
>real
>>world is everything you rail against yet Warren Coolidge
>wins.
>> Imagine that....lolololol...
>
>Anyway, I'm not going back and forth on this. So let's drop
>it. You go ahead and have the last word.
get a life dude....instead of worrying about trying to one up Warren Coolidge on a message board, try and contribute something to society..... find yourself a woman or something to heal your negative perception of the world...... quit talkin and do something.
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