what years do you say
i say late 85 through 89
you?

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'93 and '94 were damn good years as well, but they'd probably fall outside the golden era.

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when folks started to extend the Golden Age to 93 and 94, but these days I can *almost* accept that era as a kind of winding down period for the Golden Age.

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93-94 were good too and then for some reason, I remember 95 being really dope too. But I'd have to see a list of what came out in 95 to be 100% sure.

So, I'd call it 86-92, with 93-95 being somewhat of a Silver Age.

> So, I'd call it 86-92, with 93-95 being somewhat of a Silver
>Age.

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...85-92 is about right

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I understand what you mean by "only for those who were listening back then" cus I don't listen to much of anything before 87 and only a few before 91.

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>Or rather, The Chronic was the beginning of a new age.

and the dawn of the briefer silver age. But there was a lot of good, good stuff in the silver age.

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but to me the Golden Era doesn't mean it was the best era.

I believe '93-'96 to be the best whether that due to my age or not.

I still don't call '93-'96 the Golden Era because I know it's not but I don't agree with saying because it's called "the Golden Era" that it's the best.

92 was a monster year as well so in my own personal opinion '92-'96 were my favorite years for hip-hop.

'97 was the decline but had some strong releases.

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....Nas was spitting CLASSIC shit during 91 & 92 ...clearly the most promising up and coming MC during the golden era's last 2 years

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i can possibly understand some of 90
but 91-92?
totally different style of hip hop bein put forth from what came out in 86-89

pls explain

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If I'm being really strict with it, you're right: it's not really the Golden Age.

But it's not the next era either... it was just a period where cats were getting set for the new thing.

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1. Cutting things off at '89 makes "The Golden Age" REALLY NY and LA-centric. Oh, there's a Philly or Florida album here or there, but by '92, you had all areas of the nation putting out GREAT hip-hop music.

2. Because up until '92, most people that made hip-hop saw it as something rebellious or anti-mainstream. There's a few exceptions here and there, but during that period hip-hop still wasn't comfortable with being mainstream. Rappers mocked guys like Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Rappers weren't jockeying to be in soda ads. "No Sell Out" still meant something. That pretty much ended after '92.

3. Sample lawsuits REALLY changeed the game and hip-hop production after '92. Once it was clear that it would be cost prohibitive to rap over an album of James Brown loops are even Blue Note jazz records, the production style had to shift, and, IMHO, largely suffered because of it.

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>1. Cutting things off at '89 makes "The Golden Age" REALLY NY
>and LA-centric. Oh, there's a Philly or Florida album here or
>there, but by '92, you had all areas of the nation putting out
>GREAT hip-hop music.

true, but that's not the golden age, that's the age hip hop spread and became widely known
>
>2. Because up until '92, most people that made hip-hop saw it
>as something rebellious or anti-mainstream. There's a few
>exceptions here and there, but during that period hip-hop
>still wasn't comfortable with being mainstream. Rappers mocked
>guys like Hammer and Vanilla Ice. Rappers weren't jockeying to
>be in soda ads. "No Sell Out" still meant something. That
>pretty much ended after '92.

paid in full debunks number 2. that was their whole ethos in 86-87

>3. Sample lawsuits REALLY changeed the game and hip-hop
>production after '92. Once it was clear that it would be cost
>prohibitive to rap over an album of James Brown loops are even
>Blue Note jazz records, the production style had to shift,
>and, IMHO, largely suffered because of it.

more samples were disguised, but samplin' didn't end. less loops, more chops, the reign of primo
i always looked at the golden era as the reign of marley, and producers tryin' to emulate him and his crew. really, de la soul came and kicked down the doors to a new era and what hip hop was supposed to be...that's why i say they're the end of the golden era and a start of the new jack era...individualistic styles, more than just samplin' ultimate breaks for a song

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>paid in full debunks number 2. that was their whole ethos in
>86-87

Hip-hop has ALWAYS been about getting paid... but at one point there was the notion that you would not sell your soul to achieve that.

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which i would say started in 90ish to 95, 96
that's when rap, entertainment, and reality sorta became this
weird mixture of people tryin' to project this real hardcore
stereotypical rapper image in real life, versus just bein'
seen as an entertainer
there was always realism in rap songs, but there was also humor, and escapism
around that time, everybody just wanted to be uber hard and uber real
like they took that de la concept of me myself and i
and warped it to apply to gangsta shit too
i wouldn't call none of that activity golden age

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nobody was talking about selling souls in '86-87 because frankly, nobody was trying to BUY hip-hop's soul... which is what made that period so damn fresh; it was like we were left alone in our own little corner to do our own thing and the mainstream industry couldn't be sussed.

And there was no stigma against "softer" rappers like Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince either... because there was no such thing as "selling out" yet.

It was around 88-89, when rap started getting recognized... probably starting with the Grammys and everything that followed after that... all of a sudden there was a pressure to not whore yourself out and that pressure took center stage by 1991 or so.

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>true, but that's not the golden age, that's the age hip hop
>spread and became widely known

Yeah, that's not an argument. You're saying, "The Golden Age can't have ended in '92, because it ended in '92." I'm saying '90 to '92 should be included.

>paid in full debunks number 2. that was their whole ethos in
>86-87

No, it really doesn't. At all. Like AFKAP said, no one's arguing that rappers weren't trying to get paid, but must weren't trying to compromise their music and make it more palatable to the mainstream to do so. It was the idea of "I'm going to bring the audience to me" rather than "I'm going to water down my music so I can bring it to them."

>more samples were disguised, but samplin' didn't end. less
>loops, more chops, the reign of primo
>i always looked at the golden era as the reign of marley, and
>producers tryin' to emulate him and his crew. really, de la
>soul came and kicked down the doors to a new era and what hip
>hop was supposed to be...that's why i say they're the end of
>the golden era and a start of the new jack
>era...individualistic styles, more than just samplin' ultimate
>breaks for a song

But again, you couldn't make the record that De La made in '89 (or even '91) after '92. And regardless, it effected whether a label decided it was in their budgets to put out and push records where you had to clear expensive samples.

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even from 86-89, it was still basically about the drum
with stabs and bits interspersed
nation of millions really changed the way production was approached
with it's mega use of samples and de la ran with that, as did other producers
i mean, we can divide the golden era up to the marley age, then the bomb squad age as far as influences

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I was going to say that innovation was still brewing during those years, but I can't. Reason, the era you've posted pretty much were the years that everything afterwards stemmed from...for example, tribe and de la were already on their second albums during 90-92, but their style was already implemented beforehand

dela second came out in late 90
low end came out 91

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you're right with the first tribe album...but i just look at it as something they did during that era...the release date, fine...but the product is all '89

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For some reason, we don't think of the Old School as part of the Golden Age as such, but more like... pre-history?

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Sounds more like something conjured up by cats that were teenagers during the mid 80s

I see the "golden age" starting when hip hop exploded and that was 82. You had The Message, Planet Rock, Magic's Wand, Pac-Jam, etc all hitting that year. The impact was such that Herbie Hancock dropped Rockit the following year.

If I was looking at this like comics then I'd call the period you guys are talking about the silver age.... and I'd say that started in 87.
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And there was a major shift in what got played from 81 to 82... in 81 there was very little hip hop being played at parties outside of something like Rappers Delight or The Breaks.... by 83 about half the shit we were playing could be called hip hop.
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>Sounds more like something conjured up by cats that were
>teenagers during the mid 80s

I mean, I had been a fan of hip-hop since '79 or 80 but I have to admit that it was around 86 and 87 that I really felt it come into its own as a real genre rather than as a novelty or an adjunct to funk/disco/boogie.

I never even knew that this period was regarded as a Golden Age in general... it just felt that way to me personally (and the fact that I was coming into puberty around that time probably contributed).

I dunno... it was just that this was the time that hip-hop started seeming "real" to me... to have a real voice.

But it is a good question why we tend to ignore what came before. Could it be because a big part of the establishment of the New School was to totally destroy and discredit the Old School as a bunch of wack nursey-rhyme rappers dressed in Halloween suits?

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And tell me you don't notice a big difference in what we consider "classic" jams from 81 to 82

I've never even questioned the idea that hip hop came into it's own in 82... that was pretty much everyone's thinking at the time.
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I might end up having to reorganize my whole thought process today

(though I've already been buying a lot of pre-85 hip-hop vinyl lately anyway)

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Always great to see a concise, persuasive "I was there" argument.

as oppose to just singles much like the golden age of rock started when The British Invasion did the same thing.

there were hip hop albums way before 86 and a regular thing
lol
it was a whole new era as far as style of rap, the music under the raps, and the mythos of the rapper

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>there were hip hop albums way before 86 and a regular thing
>lol

Yes, there were albums pre-1986, but in most cases they were collections of already released singles. "Run-DMC", the "first" hip-hop album, was three singles and three b-sides, plus two album tracks. Stuff like "Fat Boys" and "Escape" were in the same vein. In 1985, you had stuff like "King of Rock" and "Radio," but '86 was when cats really started constructing "albums" as we see them today.

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that's why they were golden
they weren't disposable
niggas lives were on them shits, b!
everybody got jerked they first lp!
lol
lps today ain't that thematically together
shits like a collection of singles now
case in point, rick ross
which ain't a bad thing
but gone, are the every song tells a story to the end
version of the lp

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>that's why they were golden
>they weren't disposable
>niggas lives were on them shits, b!
>everybody got jerked they first lp!
>lol

They weren't disposable. And that's the point. Indeed, that's what made them from the Golden Era. Albus before that were singles.

>lps today ain't that thematically together
>shits like a collection of singles now
>case in point, rick ross
>which ain't a bad thing
>but gone, are the every song tells a story to the end
>version of the lp

Again, I wasn't talking about CURRENT hip-hop, but hip-hop from what I consider the Golden Era. I'm well aware that albums have gone back to becoming collections of singles.

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i ain't tryin' to be difficult
but i didn't get what you were tryin' to say the previous post
i'm not understandin' your point about 90-92 bein' included
what new mc's came out droppin' lps?
what lps did they drop that put them in the pantheon
with the greats?
i'm talkin' about an explosion, of ultramagnetic, red alert, mr magic, marely and the juice crew, new york radio, kday, bdp, rakim...the latin quarters..geography has alot to play in the golden era
not just singles or lps released
it was the culture comin' together
people buildin' and creatin' a scene
you had the previous uptown harlem disco coked out/punk/grafiti scene of the "old school"
then you had the downtown scene of the latin quarters/union square
pe gettin' boo'd...krs one battlin' melle mel, the rooftop,
That's all part of the golden era
where was that in 90-92?
totally different scene

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Never said that there wasn't albums just that around 86 is when artists started focusing on making albums. I'm sure if I could find stats for hip hop albums each year, there'd be a huge jump from 85 to 86.

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ending in 89. For somebody who's "lived it" and "knows so much" you seem to be needing to brush up yourself. And like said above, releasing an angle full of previously released singles isn't "focusing on albums"

this is a discussion
you're not equipt to participate
come back when we're talkin' about wocka flocka flame and the 2000s

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And by 84-85 it wasn't all that uncommon to find hip hop albums.
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Hence why I referenced The British Invasion and never said there was no hip hop albums until 1986. Of course there was plenty of hip hop albums before that but a lot of times just had singles that were already released and filler. 1986 had "Raising Hell", "License To Ill", "Born To Mack", "Schooly D", "Planet Rock: The Album", "Back In Black".

It's not like the early British Invasion LPs were conscious "works of art"... they were collections of songs. The big album concept boom didn't really take off until the late 60s, well after the Invasion.

And it's not like the hip-hop LPs of the mid-80s were conscious works of art either... not until say It Takes a Nation of Millions and 3 Feet High and Rising and stuff like that did we really get the concept album in hip-hop.

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>It's not like the early British Invasion LPs were conscious
>"works of art"... they were collections of songs. The big
>album concept boom didn't really take off until the late 60s,
>well after the Invasion.

Not true at all. Not saying that everyone was all about albums from the start but a lot of the British Invasion bands were very adamant about their US & UK releases being the same b/c they saw them as art. The Beatles didn't release any singles in the UK for "Beatles For Sale" (A snark title referencing the idea of just being a product) and began using little to no covers b/c they wanted more artistic integrity. There's plenty of groups that started writing all their own songs for the same reason. Yeah albums as an art form went on to become more mature and ambitious as time went on, that's exactly what art does.

>And it's not like the hip-hop LPs of the mid-80s were
>conscious works of art either... not until say It Takes a
>Nation of Millions and 3 Feet High and Rising and stuff like
>that did we really get the concept album in hip-hop.

If you want me to say that hip hop albums got better with time, then yes I agree. Didn't think I said otherwise but apparently you think I did. "License To Ill" & "Raising Hell" are 2 examples of album as art form that set the stage for later. They sold well and were extremely well-received. After that hip hop albums started to be taken more seriously and were on many end of year lists (There were 2 hip hop albums in 1986's Pazz & Jop's top 10 list)

>"License To Ill" & "Raising Hell"
>are 2 examples of album as art form that set the stage for
>later. They sold well and were extremely well-received. After
>that hip hop albums started to be taken more seriously and
>were on many end of year lists (There were 2 hip hop albums in
>1986's Pazz & Jop's top 10 list)

It just means they came along at a time when rap was starting to become a bit more familiar to the mainstream. But those weren't the albums that opened the genre up as much as they were the ones that cashed in.

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Touring all over the North America didn't open the genre? Having a new label like Def Jam have a huge hit like "License To Ill" didn't open up the genre or allow them to sign other artists who went on to do amazing work? It was all a cash in and only helped those directly involved right?

Malcolm McLaren & The World's Famous Supreme Team, Whodini, and RUN_DMC pre License to Ill were already getting major run on video shows. If you want to single out one act that did the most to get hip hop on MTV you would have to say it was Herbie Hancock. The fact they picked up both Rockit and Autodrive showed you how strong hip hop was coming on even back in 83... white kids were very aware of what hip hop was before RUN-DMC got run on MTV. If Walk This Way never happened Rap would have still come to MTV around the same time.... shit was inevitable.
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>And it's not like the hip-hop LPs of the mid-80s were
>conscious works of art either... not until say It Takes a
>Nation of Millions and 3 Feet High and Rising and stuff like
>that did we really get the concept album in hip-hop.

Does someone really think MC Shy D, Kool Moe Dee & Salt n Pepa were making deep albums in 86? Those records weren't any different than ones by acts like Crash Crew, Treacherous Three, or Dr. Jeckyll & Mr. Hyde. It's a big reason why both albums you mentioned stood out the way they did.... honestly the most creative rap album prior to this would have been from 83.... Malcolm McLaren & The World Famous Supreme Team.

There may be a good argument why 82 on is not included in the golden age but making this just about albums damn sure isn't it. I can list a bunch of albums from pre 86... Whodini was already two albums in at that point. Plus there were a gang of regional acts with albums like Egyptian Lover... hell even Too Short dropped an album in 83.


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There were many albums before 1986. BUT very few weren't collections of already released singles and even less were taken seriously. Like I pointed out before, in 1986 hip hop had 2 albums in the Pazz & Jop top 10. This is a huge feat considering that although hip hop songs were liked very few outside the movement/scene saw it more than a fad (I'm sure many within it saw it that way as well). Yes not every single album was a complete work of art in 1986 BUT this was the start of when they could be more then just singles. In 1987 there were plenty more and by 1989 it was expected.

and you're wrong in trying to infer those pre 88 albums were nothing but a collection of singles. I remember the only real difference between R&B & Rap then was most rap acts had to have two solid singles before they got an album.... so yeah you'd have a couple singles that had already been out but how is that much different than say Digital Undergrounds first album that had both Underwater Rhymes and Dowhatchalike on there?
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DOWN BY LAW AROUND 85/86....SCHOOLY D AROUND THE SAME TIME

ONLY ARTIST I REMEMBER DROPPING SINGLES LEFT AND RIGHT WAS ROXANNE SHANTE AND SHE NEVER CAME OUT WITH AN ALBUM DURING THAT TIME PERIOD WHICH WAS CRAZY BACK THEN

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beastie boys license to kill
run dmc raising hell
just ice back to the old school
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salt n pepa hot cool and vicious
nwa and the posse
2 live crew...... is what we are
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86 is def part of the golden age

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It's so many dope songs from every year so I can't just say one era was bad compared to the rest, yeah I love the 90's rap era but so of my favorite songs come before that and some that come from the late 90's early 2000 era as well, so I say the 80's hip-hop was built for those who enjoy it.

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it was bad songs in the golden era as well
remember rob base and dj ez rock first lp?
shit was only good for it takes two and MAYBE joy and pain
but we're tryin' to define this often nebulous and oft referred to
era that was called hip hop's golden era
not that it was better than any other era

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>it was bad songs in the golden era as well
>remember rob base and dj ez rock first lp?
>shit was only good for it takes two and MAYBE joy and pain

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officially start the "golden era" due to having a solid album?

I'm old school so I remember Roxanne Roxanne and that shit blew my mind away the first time I heard it.

Planet Rock, Egyptian Lover, The Show... all these songs were golden to me because it was a new sound.

and almost two years earlier

I'd say Escape by Whodini was a better album too but I can't remember which came first... I remember both that and the RUN-DMC album being out at the same time.
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>i too like songs from every era
>it was bad songs in the golden era as well
>remember rob base and dj ez rock first lp?
>shit was only good for it takes two and MAYBE joy and pain

I liked about more than half the album "Times Are Gettin' Ill" is my favorite song (the video was hilarious too, too bad tubeyou doesn't have it up), of course everybody likes "It Takes Two" & "Joy & Pain" but those are expected, the only songs I didn't care for were "Make It Hot" & the girl joint "Crush".

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golden era for me includes acts like rundmc, juice crew, LL, S&P,BDP, eric and rah, NWA, Ice T, just-ice, doug and rick and the like. around 90 things started to change. stuff before that like melle mel, kurtis and sugar hill we always referred to (right or wrong) as "old school".

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The Dawn 79-81: Rapper's Delight, King Tim, The Breaks, Apache, etc

The Golden Age aka Old School: 82- 88 The Message, Planet Rock, Buffalo Gals, Magic's Wand, It's Like That, Hard Times, Freaks Come Out At Night, I Need a Beat, Hey DJ, Roxanne, Roxanne, La Di Da Di, Hip Hop, Be Bop, Push It, Brass Monkey, Egypt Egypt, Paid in Full, How You Like Me Now, Yo Bum Rush The Show, Wild Wild West, etc

88 being a transitional year where you had the next wave beginning with stuff like Straight Outta Compton, Ice T's Power & It Takes a Nation co-existing with people Slick Rick, Run-DMC and I'd even add DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince... all of which were still very much rooted in the prior period style wise. This was also when you saw rap coming in other forms much more frequently... songs like Bust a Move and Wild Thing really being nothing more than Pop/R&B songs. 88 is just a really wild year when you look it it... rap was all over the place. PE is a bridge act imo... to see the shift you really just have to look at where they went from Yo to Nation.

Once 89 hit it was a whole new era: 3 Feet High & Rising, Paul's Boutique, The Iceberg, Heavy D's Big Tyme, etc. This was the year you saw the acts from the previous era really starting to struggle. I'll leave it up to others to decide where this era ends... but the Chronic sounds about right.


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I'd say that was a major turning point, and more ammunition for your case that 1982 was the year hip-hop really came to life.

Other than that, good breakdown!

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Or 88-93.... because I think the stuff that came out then was actually superior to the earlier stuff. I think my main beef was starting everything at 86 when the reality is 86 has more in common with 82 than it does 89.
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when he was makin' noise with all the singles leadin' up to paid in full
kool g rap
marley formulatin' the juice crew
biz markie and kane and shan and them
bdp

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I take 88 as the starting point because of the way the sound changed with more samples and yes, more thought-through albums and also MC'ing as well with the Run DMC yelling-style being replaced by rapping that sounds more modern (I guess 86-87 was the start of that really but I'm combining factors here).

934 4is a bit random but G-funk as well as sampling-laws and a stronger emphasis on being "hard" which narrowed down the topics all plays a part...

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"To Each His Reach"
-George Clinton

"Unemployment at a record highs. People coming, people going, people born to die"...reaches another level somewhere between "brothers and sisters" and "I don't know what this world is coming to"...finally ends with "I smoke on the mike like smoking Joe Frazier".

Wu Tang was something else. The old school before this was how long can your squad rock? Golden age rappers were like superheroes. Wu Tang took it back to crews. But different.

People still made old school after Run-DMC. The superheroes tried to get grimy. The Native Tongues thing was something else entirely, but still that golden age.

Your mileage may vary. I was in high school between the years that Nation of Millions dropped and Wu dropped. Summer 1992 was a hip hop summer for me.

Basically from Criminal Minded to The Chronic. That's when I feel the largest amount of quality Hip Hop was coming out at the same time and when Hip Hop as a whole was at it's most creative. No true sample laws yet and most of the majors that were involved with Hip Hop still didn't understand it so they let most of the artists just dow whatever the hell they wanted to do. When I look back at my collection those are the Hip Hop releases that I've had to re-up the most from cassette and vinyl to CD.