i was thinking about this the other night as i was listening to Marvin gaye and wondered out a loud did he have anything that anybody felt was cringeworthy? i know he has songs that i have heard people say were over played, and they even said were overrated, but Cringeworthy?

just curious now if there are songs by your favorite acts no matter what the style and when you hear the song by said act you almost have to run into the other room, because they are cringe worthy to you.

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Seriously, what was THAT about ?


What the blood claaat ???

on that subject, "Dancing on the Ceiling" is probably one of the most dishonest Lionel Richie singles he ever released. Like I said, it starts off with jive talk that makes you THINK it's gonna be some "fun" shit, and then... OH MY GOD WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS, NO LIONEL NOOOOOOOOO....

and to make matters worse that's the flagship song of the album. It's "Miller-Boyett" Music at its finest... it doesn't sound like something he even wrote. It's a shame, because the rest of the album is more Lionel's thing, a lil adult contemporary spanning different song styles.

What the blood claaat ???

breaks and grooves compiled as one sonic cut. he did that cut and paste thing on "say you say me" where he stacked sounds and things together.

the album was very modern and yet it had the carry over formula from the previous 2. he always stayed in his lane.

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is his actual singing/vocal arrangements.
it's the melodic arrangements that are stiff and take it out of "Lionel" territory, or at least what I had gotten accustomed to hearing since his Commodores days

I LOVE 'Say you say me'. So much so, I had to make an edit in order to delete the bridge (when the tempo gets faster) for my own listening pleasure.

The song could've used some better production. The instrument tones are pretty bad....the bell-heavy synth EP is something I've always hated about 80's music. But the composition is undeniable.

It's just.....why did he add that bridge with the tempo change? Cringe.

Edit: I dig 'Dancing on the Ceiling'. But I disagree that it has Richie trademarks. It kinda sticks out to me because there are no compositional curveballs in it. It's the only, completely, straight-forward song of his that I can think of that is solely groove and no trademark Ritchie changes.

(although Mr Red should get the credit for saying it sounds like the soundtrack of ABC's TGIF lineup, it hits home harder when you actually call out M-B by name)

I agree that whole song is so dishonest and uncomfortable... not to talk about the damn video with Lionel "dancing"!

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I remember this from my early days of watching VH1

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the opening of this is what came to mind

on one of my favorite albums, LITE ME UP.

I kind of disliked the fact that he employed outside singers even if I did enjoy them, after he decided he was going to do full-on R&B, because that tended to dilute the Herbie-ness of his records.

However, I don't understand why he, or Narada Michael Walden, thought it was a good idea for him to sing "naked" on this track. The song would have been decent early-'80s R&B if not for that fact... this song should have remained an outtake and re-recorded with the vocoder.

I let "Paradise" slide because Dave Foster knew how to cover up Herbie's shortcomings as a vocalist, plus... the song is straight "Al Jarreau". Can't hate on that.

as for Marvin Gaye? Without a doubt, "Masochistic Beauty". The sheer 80s-ness of this song, the questionable lyrics. We know Marvin got "dirty" sometimes, but while this song was kind of funny, it was also cringeworthy. I don't think Marv really quite sounded right on that kind of production anyway... and I almost shudder to think what he would have sounded like as the decade went on. He, more than Stevie, sounded like a shadow of his former self in the 1980s for the short time he was there. Then again, none of those '80s production tracks on DREAM OF A LIFETIME probably would have been released if Marv had lived.

Herbie was trying to get his Quincy Jones on and being a limit vocalist he using outside vocalists was on some Q "the dude" type of thing and i saw that vision.

me and narada michael walden are hit and alot of miss. loved him best with Stacy lattisaw and angeli Bofil for "too tough" alone, hit and Miss with him on Aretha,Whitney and Mariah.

other things he was corny to me on production.

good call on that Marvin track because i use to crack up and I blame the drugs or lack of good ones Marvin was taking when that album dropped.

his narriative though use to crack me up with the tone and the way he said it over and over again.

80's Marvin with the Eugene Wilde gotta get you home with me vibe all through "midnight love" or his Rick James lite other grooves were a trip for back then.

but for all of that, that Star Spangled banner" performance at the 83 all star game where his singing seemed to enlighten Magic Johnson as the West went to town on the East was a true highlight and a great performance stood out and has stood the test of time IMO.

i know that Marvin was going to do a record with Barry white and in the 80's i don't think it would have been happenig because neither one of them was moving like there previous decade unless they did a all out throwback type of project. peace

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>Herbie was trying to get his Quincy Jones on and being a
>limit vocalist he using outside vocalists was on some Q "the
>dude" type of thing and i saw that vision.

That I saw, especially on LITE ME UP, because it sounds like Herbie's version of a Quincy Jones record, down to the heavy use of Rod Temperton on the songwriting side. It's kind of forgotten as is most of that 1978-82 era, because it didn't sell so well, but I actually like it more than his '80s Electro era, because under Laswell's production, Herbie sounded more straitjacketed than he ever did (until now, of course). You'd have to dig out the live performances of the Rockit band in that era, to hear more the "real" Herbie. There, the music had more of a "Cameo" vibe, with the Simmons drums, and Herbie using his vocoder not to sound like an evil robot, but an ill background vocalist.

>me and narada michael walden are hit and alot of miss. loved
>him best with Stacy lattisaw and angeli Bofil for "too tough"
>alone, hit and Miss with him on Aretha,Whitney and Mariah.
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>other things he was corny to me on production.

Like, his group of hired hands. Freddie Perren and them. Even Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington (not the bassist, I mean Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs himself) was on his studio squad. I think Narada had some good stuff with Johnny Gill. Mostly the slow tracks ("Thank You" is one of my secret weapons). Uptempo shit was a mixed bag. He could make some boss "Quiet Storm" and fusion-styled music on his own records. But they all were a mixed bag that often missed a mark in a way I don't quite know where he was aiming. And when Narada tried to do more aggressive R&B, it was definitely corny as all hell...

yeah narada made me cringe with patti Austin and that is hard to do because I dig her a whole lot, but he did. Larence Hilton jacobs had a few albums out in the 70's and had a good voice.

he did Backup on RIck James Street songs album and Narada Michael Walden played drums on a cut on that album.

i use to have those Johnny Gill Jerri curl tapes way back in the day and there might have been a cut.

Herbie was a cat that adapted to changes much like Miles davis which depending on what circle you are in, good mean it was cool or could mean cringe all depends on whom you talk to.

i like Herbie with Groove unless him and chick corea are doing something similar in style,etc..


i agree on your take.

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But good topic.

Will be back with more.

man... that song is...
like, i don't even know what he was TRYING to do.

y'all can defend that with Prince "palming" that broad in the video all day, but that song was the absolute nail in the coffin of me taking Prince seriously... I remember when it came out, I was clowning Prince real hard, a trend that had started when "My Name Is Prince" came out and he had shown his ass in the chaps. Prince and rap music never really got along, despite the hints that maybe it might.

We all know via The Time's music he had a flair for the "street" and a potential to go there over the years, but really, when it comes to rap-styled music, Prince fell so flat. Prince lost a lot of that edge in the 1980s, the kind that brought him respect from both sides of the aisle as well as the middle... by the time the 1990s came along, the best songs on his records were undoubtedly the ballads.

there's a quick shot in that video,
and prince is on rollerskates, and a speedo, w/ a doo rag,
with his "masculine" beard...

and he is just doing one of those darling nikki screams with
his voice...

man... that was just, a disaster.

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that song was so horrid... and hilarious

like Prince's music started to sound as bizarre as he used to look on those album covers

Even on clunkers, he had some shit that would give you reason to hang in there.
"but once you get to the point where you makin' more junk than heat?" (c) Scorp


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Mike's just featured on it.

maybe i'm wrong.

TO WIKIPEDIA!!!

MJ is just on the vocals.
still... he should have known better.

"Be Not always" i never felt that cut and he seemed out of breath by the end of that song and i was like Naw Bro.

i felt that should have been an outtake at best.

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I can't understand a single effin word of that song...

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his new jack swing up date on wanna be startin something meets don't stop til you get enough. it was suppose to be a converstion, etc.. type of song.

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i know that quincy didn't produce that stuff...
but that's his face on the cover,
and his name on the album...

so i think it counts.

and this one of the reasons why because it feels so half baked

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was just soooo mawkish & trite.

what kills me is that dangerous could have been a fantastic album. there are so many great songs on it. but this - AND black or white (with that 'rap') - mar it somewhat.

And so close to the 9/11 memorial. smh

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yeah, I guess that was Mike's "please don't go there" type of music but I still think Dangerous is a fantastic album, even with those songs... I like it more than Bad, even though the number of classics on that records is way higher

he always had that worldwind ballad on his albums, nothing new there and his own re write of we are the world. didn't really fit on dangeorus, but not the cringe worthy song either IMO from him.

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the lost children was corny IMO, but heal the world the arrangement with the carpenters style progression was cool and vocally he did it so effortlessly.

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*shrug*

it was michael.

and bring something to the table with it. in truth those kind of songs is where we got his better vocal performances in the later years. gone too soon comes to mind. basic song but MJ nailed it while Babyface's version sounded like he was suffering from to many Onions on his Hamburger or something.

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fuck you.

which complimented his range. he always had a bombastic heavy type of track. just like morphine with the strings and parts that is part of the mj formula.

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i'm not into his other choir songs.

fuck you.

i like those two as well. man in the mirror 88 live at the grammys especially the last 2 minutes was the truth imo.


to me parts of the destiny album sounded like the closes thing to a mj gospel album. but he was never again in that tone or feel.

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http://youtu.be/wLmm0u52k2c

Cringeworthy cokehead brilliance.

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as said in that "Worst Nas Songs According To Complex" post, this is one of those times where David Bammer Doctrine is proven right; when rappers like Nas force their way into an uncomfortable sound for the sake of making records... we all lose.

"Big Girl" is also cringeworthy for the same reason.

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should have never been on there in the first place. "Black Zombies" and "Doorags" were better.

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"Rockin' It" + a wack interpolation of Alexander O'Neal + those jiggy-ass drums do not a hot, or even listenable song make

I really hated that era of "pop rap", not as much as OONTZ-OONTZ Rap & Bullshit but it was corny as hell. Give me MC Hammer over that bullshit any day.

that song is just long and annoying.

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is painful to me. i can't listen to it.

and that Dream of a Lifetime record ain't hot either. and i don't think the problem was that Motown released it too early. lol

fuck you.

Like, the sparse, cold '80s-ness of that production doesn't really fit Marvin, even if the vocals are on point.

Marv sounded a little dated by the time IN MY LIFETIME? hit but that was understandable since a lot of those songs were probably really recorded in 1979. It sounds more like that year to me. Only TV really kept the music that far back behind for the most part.

But MIDNIGHT LOVE sounds like Marvin just lost his touch. I like "Rockin' After Midnight". There's no real "live" feel, the thing that really made those Marvin records we love so much so special.

>Like, the sparse, cold '80s-ness of that production doesn't
>really fit Marvin, even if the vocals are on point.
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>Marv sounded a little dated by the time IN MY LIFETIME? hit
>but that was understandable since a lot of those songs were
>probably really recorded in 1979. It sounds more like that
>year to me. Only TV really kept the music that far back behind
>for the most part.

it sounded like he began running out of gas on that album. he still had it on Here My Dear.

>But MIDNIGHT LOVE sounds like Marvin just lost his touch. I
>like "Rockin' After Midnight". There's no real "live" feel,
>the thing that really made those Marvin records we love so
>much so special.

right.

that record sounds like a cocaine party that's been going on for too long. and i say that not just b/c of what i know about Marvin at the time but b/c i've been at a cocaine party that went on for too long and it really does feel like the feeling i get when i listen to that album. like i'm coming down unpleasantly or i'm about to.

fuck you.

music is a no no. gordon banks his music director and former Brother in law with that low fi sound and thing going. Marvin was high and must have said cool lets get this type of record. bottom line back then Marvin wanted some of that Rick James hit, but he wanted it to be accesible and he was like cool ok.

sexualy healing hasn't aged to me at all. i use to like it, but now i'm tired of it. but glad he was successful with it because he got robbed out of awards.

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fuck you.

well, i've never been to a cocaine party,
but you're right about the music sounding distant and detatched.

but for me, that's a cool juxtoposition
since his voice is really soulfull while
the music sounds very cold.

i dig all of the rhythm parts weaving in and out.


the only song that i really don't like on that album
is "sexual healing," and i sort of hate that it's
one of the first songs lay people think of when they
think of marvin gaye.



then again, i also dig "in my lifetime"
even though i know it wasn't finished.
i still love it. the appocalyptic imaagery on the cover
fascinated me as a kid and they lyrics fascinated me, too.



i will say this, though... if anybody else
besides marvin gaye was singing on "in my lifetime"
and "midnight love," the songs woudl probably be unlistenable.

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fuck you.

That was Marvin's last joint.

almost as horrible as "Super Mario Bros" being Raul Julia's last movie.

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>last movie.

SMB was way worse than SF... but yeah.
not quite the note you want to go out on.

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What's Going On is undeniable. Trouble Man was cool and experimental for an r&b vocalist to pull off. I like the Love Man cuts that were released on cd.

But the rest of his albums (and I have all the 70s and 80s ones released while he lived) only have 1 or 2 songs that I would play on a regular basis if I'm honest about it.

I'll agree that he had some shit that I'll not knock myself out to play, but I wouldn't say that a lot of his stuff is mediocre.

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i will race over to the turntable
to not hear "don't drive drunk."

actually make me cringe to hear...
Don't Drive Drunk just makes me want to find an Audi 4000 in good condition, throw on a pair of Carreras and drive down the Turnpike.