seriously, has this been discussed?
it's pretty apparent to me that this is the in-thing for now, and there are resaons for it
we all know (or at least I hope we do) that the music industry is owned by Jews, but it's ran by homosexual men (some of which happen to be pedophiles) that actually decide what goes and what stays
now if you look at it carefully, you'll see that there's a tangible timeline for prevalent imagrey in Hip Hop's artists that switch every so often
the thug/big bad nigger motif was selling a shitload of records up until the turn of the century at the most, then rappers who more or less catered to women more started to sell and get pushed
out of that we got rappers that not only catered to women and made records/videos with them in mind, they even started to look like women, or decidedly less masculine
this isn't a coincidence, people
these corporate execs are basically pulling the switcheroo on us now; before they were selling a fantasy, but when people stopped being enthralled with that fantasy (hood niggers) now they're selling their reality because it's what they know the best (femenine ass rappers)
I can't be the only one that sees this shit, but I don't remember an actual discussion about it being had here
what say you?

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feminization of the black male. The elite know what they're doing.

but they were marginalized at worst and selectively weeded at best
now there's a massive shift not only in topics, but in dress, dance and sentiment

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exactly.

out of area 51 ain't no joke

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whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me

i used to tell a friend of mine who was happy about the videos and commercials objectifying women, to watch out, cause soon those booty shots are gonna be of men.

he didnt believe me.

lol.

u cant objectify one without the other.

his argument was that men were the ones filming, so naturally they were gonna focus more on women, i told him that meant nothing.

he believes me now.

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look at what gets pumped (no Karamo) into our ears on the radio stations
it's all by the same artists that dole out the same kind of imagery and presentation
and by admissions on the low, some of them have been told this is what they have to do in order to get what they want
and don't get me started on spermswishing niggas making artists suck cock

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some of the hardest dudes i knew dressing crazy as shit now trying to stay current.

i hate seeing old ass niggas wearing skinny jeans and big glasses. shit looks crazy man.

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the same shit
it's always wild to see that shit, you can expect it from a teenager but grown men should know better and grown women shouldn't encourage it

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and it definitely doesnt.

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but dammit they're brother and sister
some of these fools make it hard to trust your own judgement sometimes

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cant trust nothing from the back....

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examples please.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

certainly the clothes, and all this soft ass emo-hook shit too.

Im not homophobic, got no beef with em and dont waste my time thinking about what they do, but when I go to Buffalo Wild Wings and see a group of young brothers in skinny jean, fluorescent colors, and dancing with each other on the corner, literally dancing with each other, its just weird.

Promoting the homosexual lifestyle under the guise of tolerance ( hate that word ) and equal rights would be a pretty big. . . umm, conspiracy?

The real question is if this is indeed going on then what would the true motive be, you not gonna get a brothers dollar trying to sell him some gay stuff. Have young White males already been gayed out with emo? I keep reading that there wasnt one top 10 rock song last year, and rock used to be super masculine.

and again, its always about paper, but what would be the point of trying to make everybody accept this lifestyle?

but the music is pretty damn soft these days, but thats where Bright Future Buddy System Help Them All comes in I guess. . .

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>Im not homophobic, got no beef with em and dont waste my time
>thinking about what they do, but when I go to Buffalo Wild
>Wings and see a group of young brothers in skinny jean,
>fluorescent colors, and dancing with each other on the corner,
>literally dancing with each other, its just weird.
>

I agree
I'm not homophobic in the slightest, but what bothers me is niggas doing shit like that and not having a clue about where it comes from or what they're actually doing


>Promoting the homosexual lifestyle under the guise of
>tolerance ( hate that word ) and equal rights would be a
>pretty big. . . umm, conspiracy?
>

see the thing is it's being done covert, on some tranny shit
no way they'd say 'oh yeah this dance originated in the gay clubs' or 'this is how we wear our shit, it's hot so you should do it too'
they're just telling niggas to do it, having them popp off it, then making other niggas follow suit


>The real question is if this is indeed going on then what
>would the true motive be, you not gonna get a brothers dollar
>trying to sell him some gay stuff. Have young White males
>already been gayed out with emo? I keep reading that there
>wasnt one top 10 rock song last year, and rock used to be
>super masculine.
>

like I said, the music industry is running out of ideas so they're selling wha they know and what they wanna see
like if a nigga is a director and he like seeing hoes in leather catsuits in his personal life, then he'll have them in the videos and movies too
that's what's being done here


>and again, its always about paper, but what would be the point
>of trying to make everybody accept this lifestyle?
>

because it's easily understood by the execs and it's easier to turn out product when you have full grasp of the shit beforehand
no need to gauge demographics if you're creating and controlling said demographic
the recording industry has been on some cut-the-middle-man shit for at least a decade and that pretty much hits across the board

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thats what is so crazy to me, why push so hard to sell people on some shit the majority of society doesnt believe, condone, or accept.

its just the thought of a handful of people being so james bond villainish that they want to change everything to make themselves more comfortable, when continuing to give fools what they already accept would much easier.

but yeah, its all going that way, but the tip of iceberg would be a hip hop equivalent of Lady Gaga, Nicki wasnt it, this shit is reminding me of that Boondocks episode lol

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for paper niggas tho I'm guessing it breaks down like this:
-gay men that are down with that lifestyle and can relate to it
-straight women that'll buy anything they even remotely like
-straight men who don't give a fuck about how a nigga dresses as long as he can get the music at the barbershop
-gay women that are down with that lifestyle and can relate to it
one of those sticks out as being non-ionclusive to the marketing strategy, don't take a nuclear rocketry nigga to figure it out

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oh yeah, women buy more music than men, and men buy shit based on what women like.

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than buy it
the other 3 will go out and buy/show up at concerts/get tshirts and shit
there's too much shit going on there for it to be a coincidence

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>I'm not homophobic in the slightest

Don't try to have your cake and call it a pedophile and a meat moistener too.

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I keep reading that there
>wasnt one top 10 rock song last year, and rock used to be
>super masculine.

these guys disagree: http://www.metal-archives.com/images/4/9/7/5/4975_photo.jpg

I mean, if this post was about how Flo Rida took an underground "gay" anthem and made a rap song out of it... that's one thing

also, if we're talking pedophiles... the most notorious of them is a heterosexual

(tech. ephebophile, but I'm not gonna type the dude's name)

a genre that is known for being overly masculine, sometimes to a fault
and second, that was the Studio 54 era so it was pretty much anything goes

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I'm thinking it really only applies to pop-rap and stuff like the Flo Rida song I mentioned (a manufactured pop rap song if I've ever heard one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCw1ggftuQ

hell, I don't even know if dude wrote the lyrics to this
but this shit right here... is exactly what you mean

if we're talking about the group of "emo" type dudes making "R&B" raps... that's more like a fad to me

but that Flo Rida stuff, gay or not... that shit is POO POO

>I'm thinking it really only applies to pop-rap and stuff like
>the Flo Rida song I mentioned (a manufactured pop rap song if
>I've ever heard one)
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCw1ggftuQ
>

yeah that's what I mean
it's not only accepted now, but encouraged from up top
it used to not matter as long as the shit sold, but it just feels like niggas is dancing in the streets and coming out (no Karamo)


>hell, I don't even know if dude wrote the lyrics to this
>but this shit right here... is exactly what you mean
>
>if we're talking about the group of "emo" type dudes making
>"R&B" raps... that's more like a fad to me
>

that part is the fad, but look at the face of our culture now
that's the part I'm talking about


>but that Flo Rida stuff, gay or not... that shit is POO POO
>
>
of course, I'd expect nothing less from that fudgefluffer

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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCw1ggftuQ
>

I had no idea that was Flo Rida. He actually got away with this wack shit?

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GET ON MY LEVEL!

The notion of hip-hop "super stardom" really only came to light in the early 2000s. Prior to that, the idea of becoming an international icon because of hip-hop was entirely fallacious.

The only black man that these newfound 'people of fame' could look to as inspiration was none other than Michael Jackson--- who was a perpetrator of the feminine-male thing that you're deciding to call "homo."

The first big-timer to fully embrace the MJ-ified state of hip-hop was Kanye in his early days, but notions of it could be seen with tons of cats... 50 Cent, Puffy, (even Tupac was somewhat of a prototype)

I'm talking homo execs packaging their lifestyle, pushing it on new artists and selling to people without them being aware of it

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but there's this movie, y'know, called Zeitgeist... I think you'd like it.

I've seen that movie tho, great film but I find most have never heard of it

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http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/jamela

>The notion of hip-hop "super stardom" really only came to
>light in the early 2000s. Prior to that, the idea of becoming
>an international icon because of hip-hop was entirely
>fallacious.
>
>The only black man that these newfound 'people of fame' could
>look to as inspiration was none other than Michael Jackson---
>who was a perpetrator of the feminine-male thing that you're
>deciding to call "homo."
>
>The first big-timer to fully embrace the MJ-ified state of
>hip-hop was Kanye in his early days, but notions of it could
>be seen with tons of cats... 50 Cent, Puffy, (even Tupac was
>somewhat of a prototype)

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when his records were getting to 'that' status? If anything, hammer had that fashionista/image-conscious persona before anybody else. I'd say MJ definitely played a role in his career.

But, conversely, The mainstream "white" media viewed Hammer as novelty, for the most part.

or with (lol) Kanye West

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but I don't think the trend really saturated into the 'underground' in the '90s... not the way it had in the '00s.

I'm not sure what kind of role the "bling" era had in setting off the mindset. I think it was a pivotal start to the fashion-conscious breed of non-famous sexually-ambigious rappers out today.

Sure he danced and had shiny clothes but it wasn't on no MJ or Prince
femininity shit.

spew120 said that *the notion of the rapper as a MJ-LEVEL SUPERSTAR was a new idea that started with Kanye West*

I pointed out that Hammer did it almost 20 years before... He was (or aspired to be) an MJ-scale rap superstar.

I offered and still offer no comment on the femininity issue, as this entire discussion is a bit dumb to me.

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there was a little bit of everything to be seen and heard, it wasn't as prevalent as it is now
it's to the point that its expected nowadays

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"wit my nuts on your tonsils..."

"and I'ma snatch yo ass from the backside"

I think this is the type of shit he's referring to.

And he's right.

But at the same time I see what you're saying, that now it's coming from the top that you gotta push a certain type of image or your album won't be marketed like you want it to be.

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the selective censoring done on old rap albums

sometime in the '90s, even artists that were on that "thug" shit (Lench Mob) comes to mind, got any and all homophobic slurs reversed/edited out if they were on certain labels, but all other cursing remained intact. there wasn't even a real controversy about the homophobia then as there would have been now

though Ice Cube famously got away with it, anytime you mentioned things "Jew" or "Jewish" in the same period would get blanked out (esp. if you were on Interscope-related labels)

all the shit said on rap, and those two things were singled out above anything else, and when you found something out the norm (like Puff making the executive decision to reverse "pregnant" on the Biggie album) it was explained after the fact by the responsible parties

you're right tho, I was gonna get to that

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>the selective censoring done on old rap albums
>
>sometime in the '90s, even artists that were on that "thug"
>shit (Lench Mob) comes to mind, got any and all homophobic
>slurs reversed/edited out if they were on certain labels, but
>all other cursing remained intact. there wasn't even a real
>controversy about the homophobia then as there would have been
>now
>
>though Ice Cube famously got away with it, anytime you
>mentioned things "Jew" or "Jewish" in the same period would
>get blanked out (esp. if you were on Interscope-related
>labels)
>

right. You can scream the N-Word all day and night, and THAT was cool. But slur toward anybody ELSE were considered 'offensive'.

and all that "term of endearment" plea-coppin' aside, the n-word is STILL at the end of it all, a slur.

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