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""The South" didn't make good on its promise"


  

          

or should I say, Andre 3ooo's promise
for those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, at the 95 Source Awards OutKast won the award for Best New Group
this caused an indoors shitstorm which resulted in Dre saying "The South got something to say"
having said that, it's become painfully obvious that there has been a lot of wasted potential as far as The South running shit for the past 1o years or so, in fact you could say everything they started has been put in reverse to a degree (live instruments over sampling/synths, innovative flows, heady but easily relatable subject matter)
even artists are scared to say it because everytime you ask one of them about newer artists from their region (except Scarface, dude will tell you in a heartbeat as a whole these new niggas ain't doing it) all they can say is 'I'm glad they're successful' which seems like an attempt to not step on someone's toes or hurt future business relations
so while rappers are more successful now than ever, there's not much in the way of innovation
(also there are no more groups, just loose collectives that rotate members in and out and whoever the public latches onto will make his own collective and the cycle contiues for as long as non-rapping niggers can stand it)
but there's no need to because the key is sounding just like everyone else while giving off enuff of yourself so nobody buys the other guy's record by mistake (which even that wouldn't be such a bad thing because these niggers are all over one another's albums now)

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Here we go again
May 01st 2011
1
bitchass edit
May 01st 2011
4
      bitchass post
May 01st 2011
25
           have lunch in my lap, meatmoistener
May 01st 2011
26
                now u you gay and have bad taste in music
May 01st 2011
28
                     shove off before I shove in, greasygroin
May 02nd 2011
32
                          ew
May 02nd 2011
38
All I know is I'm listening to more NOLA/ATL/TX/etc rappers
May 01st 2011
2
I didn't say he lied
May 01st 2011
3
So you're more like, why outside of the dance tracks did they pause
May 01st 2011
5
      RE: So you're more like, why outside of the dance tracks did they pause
May 01st 2011
9
Dude...are you talking about the Future from Nashville?
May 01st 2011
6
I'm not sure, he just put out a mew mixtape that I skipped
May 01st 2011
7
      Probably a different guy. This is the dude from Nashville:
May 01st 2011
11
           lmao totally. my dude is on some Yung L.A.
May 01st 2011
14
           Yeah you're talkin about the Racks dude with YC
May 01st 2011
15
           Haystack didn't cut it for ya? lol
May 01st 2011
16
                I liked Haystack tho, his album was pretty good
May 01st 2011
17
                I see his appeal and all and he's okay, but I can't get down with him
May 01st 2011
20
                SMH don't remind me.....
May 01st 2011
18
                     LOL! Been meaning to ask how is the hip hop scene there?
May 01st 2011
21
                          Shit is really starting to pop off.....
May 01st 2011
22
                               lol word, Red Eye gettin' into the Dub Step arena now
May 01st 2011
24
because the south is killing shit. creatively and commercially.
May 01st 2011
12
      no, they're not
May 01st 2011
13
Wow you're a fucking idiot.
May 01st 2011
8
care to explain why, or are you just going to throw shade and dip
May 01st 2011
10
      LMAO
May 03rd 2011
51
what's with hip hop fans and this gang mentality all the time?
May 01st 2011
19
nigga you lick spit off the sidewalk, no room for shit from you pal
May 01st 2011
23
      i'm not inkast you dumb fuck.
May 01st 2011
27
           oh yeah you're Tek, sorry
May 02nd 2011
33
                RE: oh yeah you're Tek, sorry
May 06th 2011
81
How are you gonna make an anti-south post 1-2 months after
May 01st 2011
29
see this is why reading comprehension is a necessity
May 02nd 2011
34
anti-south?!!
May 05th 2011
75
the lack of groups in hiphop is what i miss the most.
May 02nd 2011
30
me too-everything is so me-driven now
May 02nd 2011
35
me too... BUT a lack of GOOD groups
May 06th 2011
89
i think your beef is with
May 02nd 2011
31
its not a beef as much as its an obeservation
May 02nd 2011
36
      RE: its not a beef as much as its an obeservation
May 04th 2011
59
           I definitely agree
May 05th 2011
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                RE: I definitely agree
May 05th 2011
76
This post is everywhere
May 02nd 2011
37
keep it cool, bitch
May 02nd 2011
43
      I just realized you weren't responding to me down there...
May 02nd 2011
45
I'm not sure I'm following...
May 02nd 2011
39
we know what he meant when he said
May 02nd 2011
40
I guess that's what he meant.
May 02nd 2011
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      RE: I guess that's what he meant.
May 02nd 2011
42
           What region isn't guilty of supporting their own first?
May 02nd 2011
44
                2 things you missed
May 03rd 2011
52
This is what I was thinking
May 03rd 2011
56
      but the thing is that
May 03rd 2011
57
           Although I agree in principal
May 05th 2011
72
                see if you really like the shit then buy it by all means
May 05th 2011
74
they had somethig to say..something you aint heard before
May 02nd 2011
46
it was the same shit with an Southern accent
May 02nd 2011
48
the South is/was different, but people pick and choose what they want
May 02nd 2011
47
mmmmno
May 03rd 2011
55
i think think you're overrating his split second statement/reaction.
May 02nd 2011
49
RE: i think think you're overrating his split second statement/reaction.
May 03rd 2011
50
He wasn't making a "promise"
May 03rd 2011
53
you're right, but that's not what I was saying at all
May 03rd 2011
54
sometimes i wonder what the old guard (Face, DF, UGK, etc)
May 04th 2011
58
Face in particular likes that they're successful and not in the streets
May 05th 2011
65
fuck that plantation rap shit
May 05th 2011
60
chill out, white boy
May 06th 2011
82
      stay out grown folk
May 06th 2011
83
           RE: stay out grown folk
May 06th 2011
87
I disagree
May 05th 2011
61
that's not the point I was making tho
May 05th 2011
66
regionalism in music is pointless at this point, firstly
May 05th 2011
62
don't bother. He's long since gone off the deep end.
May 05th 2011
63
nobody respects your opinions on anything but cock plugs, guy
May 05th 2011
68
you can't dispute a statement by making the same statement
May 05th 2011
67
      no, i ain't trying to refute anything
May 05th 2011
77
      You keep saying there are exceptions...
May 07th 2011
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           all of the people you named don't fit the exeption
May 07th 2011
96
                What does that mean?
May 07th 2011
98
                     just what I said
May 07th 2011
99
WILD CAKECHEW
May 05th 2011
69
3000, not 3ooo. 10, not 1o.
May 05th 2011
70
thanks for actually reading the post all the way to the end
May 05th 2011
71
I meant to reply to this a long time ago ...
May 05th 2011
73
^^^^READ THIS SHIT HERE, YOU NIGGERS
May 06th 2011
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I mean, in southern hiphop, you got everything from
May 06th 2011
79
      but how many avenues are there for that shit tho
May 06th 2011
80
           everyone has realized the radio is a joke now
May 06th 2011
84
                bitch siddown
May 06th 2011
85
                Precise.
May 07th 2011
95
Yes, the south did make good on its promise
May 06th 2011
86
RE: Yes, the south did make good on its promise
May 06th 2011
88
bitch siddown x2
May 07th 2011
90
That's your brilliant retort?
May 07th 2011
102
      your response didn't deserve anything other
May 07th 2011
103
LOL@BoB and not wack in the same post
May 08th 2011
104
      ^^^^my man
May 08th 2011
105
Lady
May 07th 2011
91
LOL you can't be serious
May 07th 2011
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      RE: LOL you can't be serious
May 07th 2011
93
           no I was talking about the video
May 07th 2011
97
                My Mistake, Then.
May 07th 2011
101
WE DID IT, NIGGERS!
May 07th 2011
100
This post is proof of the bullshit
May 08th 2011
106
when I said 'promise' I really meant potential
May 08th 2011
107
When Did We Totally Believe Anything A Rapper Said Or Promised?
May 08th 2011
108
RE: When Did We Totally Believe Anything A Rapper Said Or Promised?
May 08th 2011
109
All rap is the same: buncha monkeys hooting over jungle drums.
May 08th 2011
110

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1. "Here we go again"
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4. "bitchass edit"
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25. " bitchass post"
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26. "have lunch in my lap, meatmoistener"
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28. "now u you gay and have bad taste in music"
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32. "shove off before I shove in, greasygroin"
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38. "ew"
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2. "All I know is I'm listening to more NOLA/ATL/TX/etc rappers"
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Sun May-01-11 04:32 PM by Nodima

  

          

Than at any other point in my lifetime.


So if Andre lied, it's only because he told a different truth. For me, the south is still where it's at. Bullshit records by Rich Kidz and Future all the way to K.R.I.T., Kyleon and Curren$y. They're my shit.

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3. "I didn't say he lied"
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and I definitely didn't say there weren't exceptions
but as a whole you know most of it is like eating marshmallows; it might taste good every now and again if you're in the mood for it, but there's no way you can sustain yourself on it

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5. "So you're more like, why outside of the dance tracks did they pause"
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After '98/'99? Why isn't Organized Noize the influential mastodon in the South that they should've been, the exception rather than the rule (as you pretty much said)?

Because I suppose I can feel that. Moreso since 2005 and the rise of Jeezy and T.I. Southern rap is still the fresh shit, but if I were going to draw a parallel to NYC for example, even from their golden age to five years later in 2000 they still had a very different, forward-thinking (some/many would say whack) direction. But the south is still on their same 808 snare breakdown shit.

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9. "RE: So you're more like, why outside of the dance tracks did they pause"
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>After '98/'99? Why isn't Organized Noize the influential
>mastodon in the South that they should've been, the exception
>rather than the rule (as you pretty much said)?
>

RIGHT
but, as you implied, its not as much about any one person as it is the potential of a whole region that was squandered to cash in


>Because I suppose I can feel that. Moreso since 2005 and the
>rise of Jeezy and T.I. Southern rap is still the fresh shit,
>but if I were going to draw a parallel to NYC for example,
>even from their golden age to five years later in 2000 they
>still had a very different, forward-thinking (some/many would
>say whack) direction. But the south is still on their same 808
>snare breakdown shit.
>

that's one of the things I'm getting at
Hip Hop itself started out with the same sound, for the most part, that we hear today on the radio
but the thing is that out of that there was an expansion into other shit and that's where the culture thrived
part of the reason Hip Hop is a bit disheartening to me is because the place that created it had this great blossoming and now its following instead of leading

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6. "Dude...are you talking about the Future from Nashville?"
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7. "I'm not sure, he just put out a mew mixtape that I skipped"
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#NumbersDon'tLie I think.

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11. "Probably a different guy. This is the dude from Nashville:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkUXFUhbGTg

He used to be on a whole different steez before he decided he wanted to be Kanye West. "Product Of The Game" is the only song of his that I can fuck with over the last few years (although the name dropping is on Game levels)

I'm still trying to find a rapper in my city who I can PROUDLY rep.

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14. "lmao totally. my dude is on some Yung L.A."
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15. "Yeah you're talkin about the Racks dude with YC"
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16. "Haystack didn't cut it for ya? lol"
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17. "I liked Haystack tho, his album was pretty good"
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even tho I see why it didn't catch on but that's not his fault

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20. "I see his appeal and all and he's okay, but I can't get down with him"
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I thought he was gonna make more noise regionally though, I'm kinda shocked he hasn't though

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18. "SMH don't remind me....."
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21. "LOL! Been meaning to ask how is the hip hop scene there?"
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might be making the move over there soon if a lot of things fall through for me.

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22. "Shit is really starting to pop off....."
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DJ-wise it's been stacked for years, but there's recently been a huge influx of new MCs who DON'T aspire to be the next Jeezy (I see that as a good thing). While some of them do cling to Kanye/Drake/Lupe's nuts a little too hard, at least they're trying to be creative with the lyrics/flows.

My monthly hip-hop party, The Boom Bap (me and 2 other DJs on 4 turntables), recently featured The Foreign Exchange and they rocked it.

Black Milk was in town recording with Jack White a few weeks ago, and he was definitely digging the crowd that showed up for his performance.

Talib Kweli is in town this week.

Basically there's more shows from big-name acts than ever before, and the underground is pretty fertile right now. I can't complain. Definitely hit me up if you're in town. Anyone who's down with the Red Eye Jedi is cool with me haha



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24. "lol word, Red Eye gettin' into the Dub Step arena now"
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me and a couple of other guys been meaning to get out to Nashville for a while, got one cat that's out there now, don't know if you've heard of him, but he goes by Z.Matt. He's not an emcee, I forget what instrument he plays, but he's a hip hop head. The scene there sounds like what's going on down here minus the acts heading here though. Definitely gonna have to get down there now man.

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12. "because the south is killing shit. creatively and commercially."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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13. "no, they're not"
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at least on the first part of that statement, as a whole

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8. "Wow you're a fucking idiot."
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10. "care to explain why, or are you just going to throw shade and dip"
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(in a man's crease)?

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51. "LMAO"
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>(in a man's crease)?

  

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19. "what's with hip hop fans and this gang mentality all the time?"
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can't u just enjoy musicians from everywhere without throwing signs up in the air? you fucking idiots?


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23. "nigga you lick spit off the sidewalk, no room for shit from you pal"
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27. "i'm not inkast you dumb fuck."
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you're wrong on so many levels tho.

  

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33. "oh yeah you're Tek, sorry"
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but you've yet to tell me how I'm wrong

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81. "RE: oh yeah you're Tek, sorry"
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two words... JAY ELECTRONICA !!!!

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29. "How are you gonna make an anti-south post 1-2 months after"
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ReturnOf4eva and Oneirology?

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34. "see this is why reading comprehension is a necessity"
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read the post again
I never said anything derogatory about The South
I said they didn't live up to Dre's promise, outside of a few exceptions (the two albums you named, while great records, don't disprove my point)

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75. "anti-south?!!"
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you're smarter than that

  

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30. "the lack of groups in hiphop is what i miss the most."
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35. "me too-everything is so me-driven now"
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but that doesn't have anything to do with the South really, just the climate of the industry (we'd rather foot the bill for one nigger than 12)

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89. "me too... BUT a lack of GOOD groups "
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I don't wanna hear D12.


I wanna hear Wu-Tang.

  

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31. "i think your beef is with"
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clear channel and viacom ......

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36. "its not a beef as much as its an obeservation"
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and while those two companies are certainly on my shit list, it doesn't really explain my sentiment totally

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59. "RE: its not a beef as much as its an obeservation"
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they control a good percentage of whats being heard
media deregulation killed the local sound at the radio station and created nationwide playlists.i think people need to start looking at the media companies and radio stations.
just a thought

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64. "I definitely agree"
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its sort of like how WalMart wants all their stores to be uniform so no matter where you are you can find everything in the same spot

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76. "RE: I definitely agree"
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yep and the south happen to be the sound when it happened.....if deregulation happened five years earlier, g funk probably would be the prevailing sound



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37. "This post is everywhere"
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>or should I say, Andre 3ooo's promise
>for those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, at
>the 95 Source Awards OutKast won the award for Best New Group
>this caused an indoors shitstorm which resulted in Dre saying
>"The South got something to say"
>having said that, it's become painfully obvious that there has
>been a lot of wasted potential as far as The South running
>shit for the past 1o years or so, in fact you could say
>everything they started has been put in reverse to a degree
>(live instruments over sampling/synths, innovative flows,
>heady but easily relatable subject matter)
>even artists are scared to say it because everytime you ask
>one of them about newer artists from their region (except
>Scarface, dude will tell you in a heartbeat as a whole these
>new niggas ain't doing it) all they can say is 'I'm glad
>they're successful' which seems like an attempt to not step on
>someone's toes or hurt future business relations
>so while rappers are more successful now than ever, there's
>not much in the way of innovation
>(also there are no more groups, just loose collectives that
>rotate members in and out and whoever the public latches onto
>will make his own collective and the cycle contiues for as
>long as non-rapping niggers can stand it)
>but there's no need to because the key is sounding just like
>everyone else while giving off enuff of yourself so nobody
>buys the other guy's record by mistake (which even that
>wouldn't be such a bad thing because these niggers are all
>over one another's albums now)

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43. "keep it cool, bitch"
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45. "I just realized you weren't responding to me down there..."
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...and this was my response.
You're a funny dude.

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39. "I'm not sure I'm following..."
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not all rappers/acts that came out of the South were on Kast level
but they had something to say, we heard it
some of it was some POO POO, and the industry seemed to like the POO POO more than the P.A.s of the bunch (lol @ Drama, what's that jabroni doing nowadays).
had the South had more artists out on national/major labels in the '90s before A&Rs got wise to the cash cow mentality it would have been a different story.

  

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40. "we know what he meant when he said "
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'something to say'
and it wasn't about rims and trappin'
they already had that shit out
but like I said, there was a HUGE opportunity for things to go a certain way and they didn't take it

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41. "I guess that's what he meant."
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I think what Dre was responding to the lack of open minds people had about what was coming from the South. Not necessarily that we have more important, more substantive things to say. Back then, all folks wanted was the opportunity without the bias.


As far as the opportunity being squandered...how so? I mean what were southern rappers supposed to do with it?

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42. "RE: I guess that's what he meant."
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>I think what Dre was responding to the lack of open minds
>people had about what was coming from the South. Not
>necessarily that we have more important, more substantive
>things to say. Back then, all folks wanted was the
>opportunity without the bias.
>
>

and the same call for open-mindedness has been shut down by The South itself-you won't be taken seriously if you don't do what all of them do


>As far as the opportunity being squandered...how so? I mean
>what were southern rappers supposed to do with it?

ummm I dunno how about put forth an effort to NOT sound like the nigger that just came out last week?
look at what came out of The West
there's a lot more going on out there than just the G shit, and it has been for longer than people think
The North, same thing-in the best days of the music, there's never been more variety and high quality
its just the same old shit, like it or not, that comes from The South as of now
and I'm not the only one that thinks this, even Southern artists say that shit

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44. "What region isn't guilty of supporting their own first?"
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>>I think what Dre was responding to the lack of open minds
>>people had about what was coming from the South. Not
>>necessarily that we have more important, more substantive
>>things to say. Back then, all folks wanted was the
>>opportunity without the bias.
>>
>>
>
>and the same call for open-mindedness has been shut down by
>The South itself-you won't be taken seriously if you don't do
>what all of them do

This goes on from region to region though. New York to Cali, ain't shit changed it that respect. I think calling out southern artists for doing it (if I take what you're saying as fact) is a bit disingeuous.

>
>>As far as the opportunity being squandered...how so? I mean
>>what were southern rappers supposed to do with it?
>
>ummm I dunno how about put forth an effort to NOT sound like
>the nigger that just came out last week?
>look at what came out of The West
>there's a lot more going on out there than just the G shit,
>and it has been for longer than people think
>The North, same thing-in the best days of the music, there's
>never been more variety and high quality
>its just the same old shit, like it or not, that comes from
>The South as of now
>and I'm not the only one that thinks this, even Southern
>artists say that shit

I think the existence of the Dungeon Family debunks this statement. When you start talking about the different labels that dominated the South back then the diversity even widens. Each label (and their artists) brought something different to the table and worked that lane to a certain success.

Sure, the biggest artists in the south might be on some 'G shit', but I think you and I both know that southern artists, just like any other region of hip-hop artists are more than that. (g shit that is...)

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52. "2 things you missed"
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1-I never called them out, I just said Dre's promise hasn't been made good on a as a whole
2-why you'd bring up Dungeon to disprove my argument, I don't know
especially when I said from the gate there are exceptions

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56. "This is what I was thinking"
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>some of it was some POO POO, and the industry seemed to like
>the POO POO more than the P.A.s of the bunch (lol @ Drama,
>what's that jabroni doing nowadays).
>had the South had more artists out on national/major labels in
>the '90s before A&Rs got wise to the cash cow mentality it
>would have been a different story.
>


It's not the artists that dictate who/what gets shine, hell, not even the fans at this point. It's The Industry (labels, program directors, press, tastemakers) picking and choosing the "top dawgs".

Fault can definitely be laid at the feet of some artists, but as fans embraced and continued to show heavy support for particular styles, the Industry said "Fuck it, if this is what they want, let's give'em more, and fuck everything else." It was a wrap for diversity and balance. Now they basically tell audiences "THIS is the shit you will like" even if most people ain't feeling it.

  

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57. "but the thing is that"
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if people cared more about where they spent their money we wouldn't be having this discussion
all you gotta do is not support the shit and you won't have to worry about it being shoved down your throat

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72. "Although I agree in principal"
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I don't think people need to stop supporting it if they really like it. Despite the current state of music, North, South, wherever, you like what you like...I mean, even if the labels are dictating the styles, and for all the force feeding, there is SOMEONE truly feeling it enough to still lay down money for a CD or concert ticket. I detest the lemmings/sheeple aspects of people, but alot of the music still fulfills a need, regardless of quality **sigh**.

That's why I say it's really about balance....alternatives. A return to a more multi-faceted mainstream music scene. It can't be all socially conscious or super-lyrical or party or trap rap, etc...



  

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74. "see if you really like the shit then buy it by all means"
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but the majority of the money is made from people that flock to shit because its new or because everyone else is on it
I'm not saying there isn't a time or place for it but people LIVE to this shit
thats the part that really bothers me

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46. "they had somethig to say..something you aint heard before"
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not all them was saying what Kast or Goodie was saying but it was something different..

Now you don't got to like all of it I mean who does I don't but they def had something to say and finally got people to listen.

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48. "it was the same shit with an Southern accent"
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nothing more nothing less
and I hope its clear I'm not being all-inclusive because some of the best records ever released came from The South
you know how niggers half read shit

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47. "the South is/was different, but people pick and choose what they want"
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55. "mmmmno"
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49. "i think think you're overrating his split second statement/reaction."
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that was probably the first thing that came to his mind that was politically correct enough to be said aloud.

i'm sure he didn't imagine that it would have legs.

and seeing as though he kinda took niggas to task (on their own songs, nonetheless) with those remix appearances he was making some years back, i don't think he'd imagined or envisioned that *THAT* was what the south had to say.

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50. "RE: i think think you're overrating his split second statement/reaction."
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>that was probably the first thing that came to his mind that
>was politically correct enough to be said aloud.
>

I don't overrate it at all, really, but it seems fans do
its obvious it was off the cuff, and a demand for respect, but people have overblown it since then and say it as truth and I dispute that


>i'm sure he didn't imagine that it would have legs.
>

I didn't either, actually


>and seeing as though he kinda took niggas to task (on their
>own songs, nonetheless) with those remix appearances he was
>making some years back, i don't think he'd imagined or
>envisioned that *THAT* was what the south had to say.

my point exactly, but these niggers get offended when people call buulshit on shit they like and feel the need to defend fellow niggers that don't know they even exist, or don't care they exist for that matter

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53. "He wasn't making a "promise""
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He was commenting on the struggles (see Elevators) faced by Outkast to prevail in an atmosphere generally toxic to new ideas. The "got something to say" is a way of reassuring himself that a connection has been made, ("I knew I didn't have to dumb myself down"). I get a VERY strong sense after listening to Aquemini, that the group saw the South state of hip hop as Dungeon Family versus pimps and tricks. Don't seem like he was expecting much else from anybody but them.

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54. "you're right, but that's not what I was saying at all"
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but I do agree with everything you said tho

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58. "sometimes i wonder what the old guard (Face, DF, UGK, etc)"
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think about the current music. maybe not UGK cause Bun B seems to be down w/ any and everybody who has ever tried to rap.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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65. "Face in particular likes that they're successful and not in the streets"
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(well, not all of them are in the streets)
but as far as rapping, from what I understand he's not too enthused with the way they put together records
he likes some songs here and there but he's right when he says the art of making albums is lost on them

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60. "fuck that plantation rap shit"
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ignorant ass nigguhz made the black/american negro race even more of a laughing stock to those around the world.

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82. "chill out, white boy"
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83. "stay out grown folk"
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PEENPULSER

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87. "RE: stay out grown folk"
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>PEENPULSER

  

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61. "I disagree"
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I mean I understand it to a certain extent because the biggest stars in southern rap (e.g. Rick Ross, Waka Flocka, Gucci) are continuing to deliver banal lyrics to listeners, which does not correlate with what Andre said (if you interpreted it as 'southern rappers can provide originality through quality lyricism'). So if you expected the south to be more supreme than any other region in terms of rap music then yeah, Andre lied.

However, mainstream rap in general, not just regionally, has become devoid of originality. So no one really has anything to say (in the mainstream © Outkast).

In contrast, If you extend the scope beyond mainstream rap, there are plenty of southern rappers who have 'something to say.' Krit, Chamillionaire, Little Brother, and Jay Electronica to name a few.

I'm sure that many older New York rappers feel that the contemporary popular rappers from their respective region are mundane and subpar just as the older southern rappers feel about their new rappers.

While I do agree that most popular rappers deliver similar subject matter, this isn't just a southern issue, its mainstream rap period. There are plenty of innovative southern MCs, that don't get their respect because the masses do not want to hear 'unconventional' lyrics and dismiss a lot of it as boho rap.

  

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66. "that's not the point I was making tho"
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when I say 'promise' I mean potential
and like I said, theres always exceptions so its not all-inclusive
there could have been a serious paradigm shift culturally, but what this era will be remembered for won't be much

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62. "regionalism in music is pointless at this point, firstly"
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secondly, how doe one qualify your statement? I can rattle off a list of southern hiphop acts that were as diverse and as dope as any music in hiphop history.

I don't get what you're trying to convey

  

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63. "don't bother. He's long since gone off the deep end."
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68. "nobody respects your opinions on anything but cock plugs, guy"
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stay out grown folk before grown folk stay in you
kapeesh?

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67. "you can't dispute a statement by making the same statement"
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I said several times there are exceptions, doesn't make me any less right

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77. "no, i ain't trying to refute anything"
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I don't understand what you're saying, seriously

  

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94. "You keep saying there are exceptions..."
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But how many exceptions can there be until you are wrong?

I mean, you say they ain't saying shit or followed up on Dre's statement - but then cats name solid artists like LB, Jay Elec, CunninLynguists, J Cole, Curren$y, Lil Wayne, Big KRIT, etc etc the list goes on and you just call them all exceptions. And that's not even mentioning the old guard, which continues to pump out some solid shit here and there.

You can't keep saying they are exceptions when the South is pretty much the only region coming out with solid music right now, probably has some of the only creative hip hop acts to come out in the last few years, all while the rest of the country has become a joke.

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96. "all of the people you named don't fit the exeption"
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98. "What does that mean?"
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Cause I'm doing better now, don't mean I never lost shit/ I was married to a state of mind and I divorced it -- Black Thought

  

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99. "just what I said"
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69. "WILD CAKECHEW"
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70. "3000, not 3ooo. 10, not 1o."
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But other than that, I see your point. Balance is key in any genre, not just southern rap.

  

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71. "thanks for actually reading the post all the way to the end"
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and not jumping on some shit I didn't even say in the first place

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73. "I meant to reply to this a long time ago ..."
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don't understand the hate for this post, you're not discrediting the south at all, just inferring that it had more to offer us. Pimp C was saying the exact same thing in his classic Atlanta interview, the sensational headlines from that interview were about him dissing the ATL, but his real underlying point was that the new south had reverted to rapper archetypes and caricatures based on the giants of the past. He wanted to bring the subjective back into southern rap the way Goodie Mob did with the gospel/church infusion in their style; not saying everybody has to bring that specific style, but the gospel in Goodie Mob was subjective, it separated them from anybody else the way UGK's use of live instruments did.


Pimp C was prophetic in that interview when he warned that if the styles didn't switch up, and bring back the originality the south is known for, the hip hop community would shift its focus to another region — to some extent it already has.



Another point that really lends credence to this post is examining the number of classic albums that came out of a region during that region's dominant period. With the south it feels as if all of the classic albums (SPCM, Soul Food, Comin out Hard, etc) were prematurely birthed before the region blew up on a national level in the early 00's. And during the south's dominance all we got was a bunch of singles with not many memorable albums to date.







>even artists are scared to say it because everytime you ask
>one of them about newer artists from their region (except
>Scarface, dude will tell you in a heartbeat as a whole these
>new niggas ain't doing it) all they can say is 'I'm glad
>they're successful' which seems like an attempt to not step on
>someone's toes or hurt future business relations


Scarface does keep it real, but I feel like Bun B has been rather complicit in some of this. He's not totally at fault tho, because if Pimp hadn't died his career would still have direction, he wouldn't need to be on every joe schmo's guest spot.

  

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78. "^^^^READ THIS SHIT HERE, YOU NIGGERS"
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79. "I mean, in southern hiphop, you got everything from"
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Bun B/Killa Mike thinking man's gangster music

to scarface's grown man business

to Little Brother's College Rap

to J. Cole's coming of age music

to Cee-lo's mr everything approach

and literally dozen of cats in the underground trying to do every one of those styles, plus cats in the underground like Pill, Hollyweerd, HEED, Spree Wilson, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now if you're talking about mainstream commercial shit? Well, I don't think there'll ever be too many genre-busting hit artists in MOST genres, cuz there just normally aren't.

*shrugs*

I dunno...I think music, in general, is more diverse than its been in quite some time, and I'm happy bout it

  

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80. "but how many avenues are there for that shit tho"
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all of it is filtered now
it used to be one station in every city that played pretty much whatever you wanted to hear, no matter the genre, and if they didn't have it they'd get it and play it for you
you can't do that shit now because everything is pre-pogrammed

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84. "everyone has realized the radio is a joke now"
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i dont get why you are still expecting them to diversify terrestrial radio.

folks are online...discovering the diversity in music and their own personal niches via blogs, podcasts, youtube, etc.

Basically the basis of your argument may have been compelling in 2005 or so....2011 im wondering why you're even wasting your time.

  

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85. "bitch siddown"
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95. "Precise."
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Obviously Garhart's criticism has nothing to do with the artists and music coming out the South - instead, it seems to be a criticism of the radio and popular culture, which will NEVER change regardless of who comes out with what.

Great artists coming out the South like Curren$y and KRIT can pump out great music, but that won't ever change what's on the radio. Ain't their fault.

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86. "Yes, the south did make good on its promise"
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The south has something for everyone that's why artists are still on.

If you're into introspective everyday rap J.Cole/BIG KRIT can hold you down.

If you're into grown man business 8Ball and MJG/UGK/Scarface can hold you down.

Love to party? The south got plenty of that music.

You want music with substance and positivity go check out Atlanta's own B.O.B.

These aren't wack artists. They're all polished.

Hating on the south is so 1999.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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88. "RE: Yes, the south did make good on its promise"
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90. "bitch siddown x2"
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102. "That's your brilliant retort?"
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No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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103. "your response didn't deserve anything other"
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go think about that and stew that asshole for a while

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104. "LOL@BoB and not wack in the same post"
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>You want music with substance and positivity go check out
>Atlanta's own B.O.B.
>
>These aren't wack artists. They're all polished.


BoBs album was a kidz bop album, and this is coming from someone who lived in the south for most of his life

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105. "^^^^my man"
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91. "Lady"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-PXWYHH5E&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJXp1hjuY_0&feature=player_embedded

LOL she's gonna wreck it for the rest,,,,,

  

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92. "LOL you can't be serious"
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93. "RE: LOL you can't be serious"
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I see you're not a big fan of sarcasm.

  

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97. "no I was talking about the video"
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not your comment

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101. "My Mistake, Then."
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100. "WE DID IT, NIGGERS!"
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106. "This post is proof of the bullshit"
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I've been saying this for years as well. I never connected it to 3000's statement, nor would I call that a promise, but I would 100% agree that the shit the South is pumping out now, is far from what 3000 was talking about.

and every time this topic is brought up, you have a circus of folks with a circus of excuses saying, "you're mad the South is hot right now" or "you're only talking of a small % of artists down here" or "the North is worse than the South" etc etc etc. and Bun B, as much as I like him as an MC, is disappointing to me as he continues to co-sign pure bullshit hip-hop that the South is known for.

of course, not all the South's hip-hop is wack, but to act as though what is in the forefront isn't wack, is nothing more than denial. and the biggest problem is that people from the South ride for whatever is popular PERIOD. that is where the bullshit comes in.

people up North will tell you when something or someone isn't coming hard. I completely agree with the poster above who said that the South had their own style with the live instrumentations, the gospel vibe, the intelligent street view point, etc etc. but now, it's all preset casio keyboard sounds with the most ignorant shit on top.

there is NO way i hell you can tell me that the South has remained true to what it was all about. Soul Food may very well be the album that BEST defines the sound that the South brought to the table and the feel they inserted into the game. and now, it's is so far removed from that soulfulness that it's damn near unbelievable.

and for those who will argue that "you can't just keep doing the same thing", I would say, that is true but the idea of progression is not to move light years backwards in quality.

  

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107. "when I said 'promise' I really meant potential"
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moreso than proclaiming to deliver something
but I do agree with you, wholeheartedly even

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Dj Joey Joe
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108. "When Did We Totally Believe Anything A Rapper Said Or Promised?"
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Rappers only rap about what they want to tell people whether it be truthful, fiction, or half & half, but rap listeners actually thinking that southern rappers were going to promise them something worth listening to lyrically is laughable but the same goes for all regions of the U.S.


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109. "RE: When Did We Totally Believe Anything A Rapper Said Or Promised?"
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J A Y E L E C T R O N I C A ...damn, & you call yourself a dj ..smh

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Yadgyu
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110. "All rap is the same: buncha monkeys hooting over jungle drums."
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Poor black things.

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