I may be overstateing things here but what was the diffrence between how the Chronic was made and how Doggystyle was

they are really interchangeable

they sound like big study parties that were recorded
it was essentially the Chronic with Snoop handling 70% of the lurics instead of 20% but it was truley a group effort with everyone from the Chronic Daz,Korrupt, Warren G,Rage, RBX, D.O.C. chipping in just like they did on the Chronic

I feel the same way about Raekwons "Cuban linx" and GFK "Ironman" too

1 person got top billing but without the "support" from the rest of the clan it woulda been markedly diffrent lp/s

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>I feel the same way about Raekwons "Cuban linx" and GFK
>"Ironman" too

I always thought that about Electric Circus, too.

It was the one thing that pissed me off bad about EC.

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even if a act plays all the instruments,vocals,etc.. they still got soembody who engineers or makes a suggestion or so, so nothing is ever all by yourself.

but having said that Snoop was the star of the show and without Snoop on the Chronic it would still have sold,however it wouldn't be an Iconic album and Snoop vocally had that "IT" period.

all those cats involved are talented and got skills, however ain't none of them seeing what Snoop got as a voice and that is why its a solo album and he to me was the true voice of Death Row records period and for my money still the best thing to ever happen to Dr Dre's post NWA Career bar none IMO.

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but just as in any group their is a lead mc/vocalist and then the wingmen/background cats

how come Snoops 2nd "solo" lp wasnt as good?

people wanna pin it on the fact that he seperated w/ Dre

thats PART of it

but he also seperated from the rest of the camp that played just as much if not more of a part in Doggystle and The Chronics success

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problem was the songs on a whole plus it didn't help that Suge and Ivovine put the money and muscle on 2 pac.

also explain away a 20 year career? because Snoop is 2 decades deep and still has a place out here, so he obviously is more than side piece.

yeah Warren G sounded good on ain't no fun and other tracks, however he was more lucky than good in the big picture. same with the Late important Nate Dogg who had the hook game down like Kareem Abdul Jabbar was his Uncle or something, however solo game was a wide open miss.

Snoop carried that whole crew from 92-94 he was the voice of that scene

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talent nor his importance in the crew. He was clearly the most talented.

But "Doggystyle" he had a lot of help.

do I think he woulda had a succesfull career anyway even if Doggystle had been a true solo?yes but we cant deny or change the fact that Doggystyle was a mix of many diffrent personalties (Snoop being the brightest)

Dre knew that too thats why he duplicated the Chronic steeze for Doggystyle

he coulda just took Snoop in the studio by himself with his musicians minus the rest of the crew but he didn't

he knew the chemistry was awesome

he was right

as great a career as Snoop has had musically Doggystyle is still the tops

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because if you are like me who heard a LL COOL J, Rakim, KRS ONE, Kool Moe Dee, Ice Cube cats who didn't have alot of side characters and folks on there projects when they emerged. Snoop represents the new of what you still see and here on modern Hip hop albums.

i call it the Quincy Jones Dominos effect where you have a whole lot of folks like a clubhouse and they bring there ideas, etc.. however the star has to be the star and that is why Snoop emerged as he did.

he came from a different era of Hip hop, i don't know too many MC's in the post Snoop era who could get away without guests,etc.. and sell there project, because its a totally different era of music making in that regard.

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>because if you are like me who heard a LL COOL J, Rakim, KRS
>ONE, Kool Moe Dee, Ice Cube cats who didn't have alot of side
>characters and folks on there projects when they emerged.
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>i call it the Quincy Jones Dominos effect where you have a
>whole lot of folks like a clubhouse and they bring there
>ideas, etc..>


matterfact in hip hop Dre may have started this trend. I don't recall anyone in hh prior to the Chronic recording with that philosophy. Literaly they describe it as a bunch of hungry young mcs, sleeping on mattresses, eating and smoking , practically living in the studio and bouncin ideas of each other.

Dre w the expierence picked the best peices and parts to accentuate and compiled an album from that was as just as much a product of the environment as it was Snoops.

now this methodology has become more common in hh hop but PRIOR to the Chronic I cant think of instances where an album went down like this

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Q is known for having 999 guests on his projects and doing this very thing and cats in the biz who want to be called the best Producer, etc.. look up to Q like a Witch on a Broom in the center of a Moon believe that.

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and he was instrumental behind the scenes for Snoop and Dre, however even with his skills, he never would have been able to pull off what Snoop did as a Artist. talented dude though no doubt the DOC.

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DOC gave Snoop the direction he needed to fine tune his lyrics, Snoop had the charisma to carry it out. DOC is talented no doubt but I agree, he wouldn't have reached the levels Snoop did.

Snoop could still use that type of direction even now. He always says DOC would tell him "nah put this word here, switch this around..." etc., and his help shows in the results.

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he was Dre's original pet project that he personaly dreveloped/recognized the talent off and made him into a superstar.

I said it "superstar"...he had it all, rhymes, writeing, charisma, image, and was aligned w the most popular group in hh.

Just as he needed Dre to get to that next level its also fair to say that Dre needed that expierence of grooming D.O.C. to build on to develop Snoop and later Eminem.

It was D.O.C.s idead and connection w Suge that started Death Row but he got lost in the shuffle partying and faded to the back while Dre moved up front.

If any of the auxillary members I think D.O.C. had the most consistant impact. He was Dre's unseen right hand for years on all of his projects. His vocal coaching of Snoop is legendary and overlooked

I read a recent interview with him and it seems he is loyal to Dre to the death. That ended up being his downfall though as while Dre continued to use his writeing talents and post accident D.O.C. never got compensated nor even acknowledged from Dre.

D.O.C. could have parlayed his early writing success into a lucrative career w out Dre and taken his writeing talents elswhere in the industry and have an established career buy now instead of being in the sad situation hes in at his age.

Hip hop chews cats up and spits them out on the sidewalk. Its a cruel game dealing w sharkks. D.O.C. got caught up in it and unfortunatly never realized his full potential but for a brief moment he was a superstar.

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I read that same interview. Sad stuff. Dre was cold blooded to that poor bastard.

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album came out

I seem to remember them giving the album 4 mics and saying that it was a great showcase for Death Row and Dr. Dre but failed as the Snoop solo album it was touted to be...

EDIT: here's that review

http://pressrewind.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/snoop_doggystylesource294.jpg

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as the article alludes to I wonder if Dre indeed was useing it as a showcase album for all the talent and as a jump off for other stuff

interesting reading that in retrospect....

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>as the article alludes to I wonder if Dre indeed was useing
>it as a showcase album for all the talent and as a jump off
>for other stuff

I might even go as far as to say that Death Row started the whole No Limit/Cash Money trend of advertising for other albums in the liner notes of albums that came before them. Didn't Murder Was the Case have a bunch of ads for upcoming albums in them? And Doggystyle had notes about the upcoming Dogg Pound album, Lady of Rage album, RBX, etc?

This is an interesting topic that may even go deeper than your initial question, now that I am thinking about it.

But to answer that initial question, while I agree that it was a collaborative effort (the stories about the Death Row folks just, literally, Puffin on Blunts and Drankin Tanquerey in the studio and making music are well traveled), I still think that it focused just enough on Snoop to still qualify as a solo album overall. He was clearly the main focus, though the album veered off of that main focus from time to time.
I think that my main beef with the way that collaborative effort showed in the final product was the fact that the first MC to spit was Lady of Rage. Snoop should have opened that album with one DOPE verse, not anyone else. And that's coming from someone who thinks G Funk Intro is dope as FUCK. But I just think no solo album should open with someone else's verse.

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right. I cant think of any examples of ads in cds prior.

>I think that my main beef with the way that collaborative
>effort showed in the final product was the fact that the first
>MC to spit was Lady of Rage.>

right..travesty

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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

Like I said, I think that song is dope as FUCK. Funnily enough, Rage makes a strong case for a top 3 verse from Doggystyle on that shit. I'm just saying, no verse but one from the MC who's name is on the cover should be the first on the album...especially one's DEBUT album.

Another example of this is Mos Def starting out Rising Down. Similarly, he makes a strong case for one of that album's best verses, as well.

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I mean, consider "187," the "Deep Cover" remix...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GsrJs4RetE

Listen to that third verse. "SPLAT to a mothafucka face he fall/strooooong mothafucka cause he starts to crawl...", so yea I wouldn't say he was "life of the party" yet but he was already starting to show that trademark charisma that we came to love about him just one album later.

The same goes for the intro to The Chronic. He came out of his shell almost immediately. My point being that you act like Snoop was shy and in his shell until Doggystyle, which just isn't true.

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wow this was more famous than the OG version

or at least superior to

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which actually was pretty decent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Strong

not sure if it was on anything else.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Cover_(song)

There is a remix of the song entitled One Eight Seven, later known as "Deep Cover - The Remix" on the Fuck Wit Dre Day 12" single and on the 1995 album One Million Strong, and the Death Row compilation, "Dr. Dre Chronicles: Deathrow Classics". The remix has a slightly modified sample and alternate lyrics. It is also a minute shorter. The title, which is also a part of the chorus, refers to the police code, which stands for Murder in the state of California.

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there's no way this was MADE in 1995. That sounded like 1991-1992 Snoop.

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I actually half expected you to come in and be like "that's my SHIT" hahaha

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I think Chronic flowed into Doggystyle so seamless because Snoop was just as an important ingredient to The Chronic being what is it as Dre and D.O.C.

Nate, Daz, Warren (I know hes Dre's lil bro but he was in the group with Snoop though) Kurupt..damn near the whole crew on The Chronic, Snoop brought all those cats in..and Dre did his Quincy Jones thing with all that talent handed to him by The D O Double G...

They HAD to do Doggystyle after because without Snoop..that whole movement wouldn't be, or sound like it did..

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>They HAD to do Doggystyle after because without Snoop..that
>whole movement wouldn't be, or sound like it did..

its late dont ask me how or why I thought of it this way but

Dre brought the base i.e. the dough and the cheese

Snoop was the Pepperoni to the pizza (the most popular topping and also usually the topping w the most volume on a single pizza) by which the pizza coulda been complete.

Dre coulda stopped here and made a damn good Pepperoni pizza but he didnt he went furthur

all them other cats in the crew like Daz, Nate, Rage etc.. were misc topping (bell peppers, onions, extra cheese, anchovys etc they added flavor, color, volume, and texture. The slice was so topped that when u picked it up toppings were falling of the pizza

without the other cats in the crew Snoop/Doggystyle wouldv'e been a very good Pepporoni pizza

BUT

without those other cats it wouldn't have been and coulddn't have been called a Supreme Pizza

Doggystyle is CLEARLY a Supreme Pizza as opposed to just a Pepperoni pizza

the 2 diffrent pies dont taste the same cuz they arent the same

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I get your point. However for some reason I want to give more credit to the rest of the Dogg Pound. That might be because I always felt Kurupt is a better emcee than all of those dudes and showed it time and time again on those earlier cuts.

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they all did in their own ways

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i was gonna make a post about how dpg should've had a proper 'deathrow' 2nd album or that them coming out in '95 was the beginning of the end.
they probably should've came out in 94, with the 2nd album in 95

But it made sense though..I see where you're getting at..

But all those people was hanging with, known, making music or already in a group with Snoop, prior to even getting with Dre and The Chronic wave.

I guess I looked at it like Snoop and nem was all the ingredients for the pizza at the grocery.

Dre know it was time to make something, walked down the isle and seen the pizza making kit. The dough (Snoop) and all the extra toppings (Dogg Pound and the rest) came WITH the kit.

Dre brought the pizza kit home (The studio) and cooked up one hell of a pizza.

Dre knew he had to cook a dinner (Album) and come up on the dough that came with all ingredients already..

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dre is the dough. daz is the flour for the dough. snoop is the sauce. kurupt brings that oniony flavor. rbx is the mushrooms. rage is the 500 degree oven. big ****** nicki and the D.O.C. are the seasoning. suge knight is the pizza place itself.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

big ****** nicki>

who is that?

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to an extent, i agree with you. but i still see it as a snoop album. but the both the chronic and doggystyle had the whole crew working on them, which is part of the reason they are both great. the pizza anology thing was just a joke though.

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it no doubt revolved around Snoop


>But all those people was hanging with, known, making music or
>already in a group with Snoop, prior to even getting with Dre
>and The Chronic wave.

good point! that is even more reason to say Doggystyle was a group effort. Snoop headlined but he had a slew of creativity surrounding him.

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