Was J. Dilla a "Good MC" to you....Honest

We know that Dilla is one of the best beat makers in the history of rap. That is not what this post is about.

The question is.... Do you feel Dilla was a good mc? I liked him on a few joints and thought he was solid. Not sure if he could carry an entire LP but he was pretty good.

thoughts....Do you think he would have transitioned into what say...Q-tip or Kanye did..

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Yeah, he was cool on the track with Common on Like Water...he produced it as well

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cuz before Elzhi them cats was lost on the mic

Dilla was decent

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i respect elzhi and hes obviously talented, but he ruined the sv vibe in my opinion. furthermore, fantastic vol 2 was very innovative lyrically

>i respect elzhi and hes obviously talented, but he ruined the
>sv vibe in my opinion.>

I disagree but Ive heard that before and see where u are coming from

furthermore, fantastic vol 2 was very
>innovative lyrically>

THIS tho I dont understand

what was lyrically innovative about that?

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
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forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
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if rap was all about lyrics, it would be spoken word. The way they were rappin on that album was all about feel, delivery, syllables and personality. its so many moments on that record that record that are fun and memorable even if and maybe even BECAUSE OF the fact i dont give a fuck what the words in particular are. for example near the beginning of untitled/fantastic when t3 says some shit like "see im a show you all how to emcee, see ockarocka for warachh waharee"or somethin. you listen to that shit and tell me it dont sound dope.

lets face it there is a limited amount of both rhymes and subject matters for rappers to use and in my opinion the only way for the genre which hasnt evolved much in the last decade to move forward is to focus on the use of human voicebox in ways that compliment the music without being overly concerned with context.

if it was all about lyrics and elzhi type complicated patterns and shit no one would give a fuck about someone like ODB. and yet hes one of the most memorable and beloved rappers of all time.

so u also listen to foreign rap in languages you don't understand because the flow is dope too I assume?

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

fixed that for you

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but its harder to find the dope acts from other countries. Plus in my opinion, English is the best language for rapping due to the syllables used, the general sound and the abundance of rhyming words.
Japanese might be second for me... i remember hearing the interlude on buhloone mindstate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r774KpYtso and thinkin man i gotta check out more japanese rap.

these guys had some good tracks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7F7xG1oS5Y

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>if rap was all about lyrics, it would be spoken word. The way
>they were rappin on that album was all about feel, delivery,
>syllables and personality. its so many moments on that record
>that record that are fun and memorable even if and maybe even
>BECAUSE OF the fact i dont give a fuck what the words in
>particular are. for example near the beginning of
>untitled/fantastic when t3 says some shit like "see im a show
>you all how to emcee, see ockarocka for warachh waharee"or
>somethin. you listen to that shit and tell me it dont sound
>dope.
>
> lets face it there is a limited amount of both rhymes and
>subject matters for rappers to use and in my opinion the only
>way for the genre which hasnt evolved much in the last decade
>to move forward is to focus on the use of human voicebox in
>ways that compliment the music without being overly concerned
>with context.
>
>if it was all about lyrics and elzhi type complicated patterns
>and shit no one would give a fuck about someone like ODB. and
>yet hes one of the most memorable and beloved rappers of all



/\ cosign all this, when SV started they were on some OTHER SH*T and it was so dope it was all about the feel,and that along with the production makes that album classic to me, they were so innovative ..them n*ggas were Based before lil b lol. I feel Elzhi, while still dope, was the complete opposite as T3 Baatin and Dilla didnt care what they said Elzhi cared 100% to construct a perfect verse..

and yeah i think Dilla was a good MC, the best out of the original SV members, but i can't really see him doing a Q Tip or Kanye, but who knows..
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>cuz before Elzhi them cats was lost on the mic
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>Dilla was decent

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thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

Elzhi came on the Trinity album right?

Detroit Deli was hot front to back beat-wise.
The self-titled joint was hot front to back beat-wise.

Ain't like the music got wack after he arrived. As a matter of fact, Trinity might be the weakest spot in their catalog with the exception of the lastest joint that felt disjointed.
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As far as rapping in the pocket and keeping a good flow and cadence. He knew exactly how to rap with the beat. In fact on some of those SV songs he goes hard as fuck. Jealousy? Thelonius? Give This Nigga?

What he mainly gets criticized for is his content. It's very predictable and downright trite at times. He liked rapping about things he enjoys and never sought to spread a message nor inform listeners politically or educationally. He liked rapping about bitches, guns, weed, strip bars, jewelry and trucks. That about wraps it up. But he didn't care, he had fun doing it. In fact there are many moments in his career where I find myself revisiting for his verses.

In the early days, he and his SV pals would freestyle half of the time, which isn't a good look because freestyles are inherently worse than written raps. But they freestyled with a unique flavor that strangely had you coming back for more. The chanting on the Fantastic 2,3,4 interludes are catchy and groovy. The singing on Estimate is beautiful. Their hooks on Beej en Dem and Forth n Back almost force you to rap along with them.

Dilla wasn't a top 25 rapper by any means. But if he wanted to be a good rapper, he very well could have been.

No dobut about it!! I'm in 100% agreement with everything you've stated!! He was one of the best Producers/Musicians on the Mic,in my opinion! You know,I used to feel conflicted sometimes with his lyrical content,because it seemed in direct contrast with the genius of his music, but his delivery, emphasis on words,word play and overall timing just kept winning me over every time,no matter what he was talkin about!! lol!! I just chalked it up to the fact that that is what made him so unique and not like any other doing it,or even doing it now! Thanks!

>You know,I used to feel conflicted
>sometimes with his lyrical content,because it seemed in direct
>contrast with the genius of his music

You know I thought about this and it's funny that to most Dilla fans it's become an unspoken truth that there's a profound irony in how artistic and progressive his beats/production/music were and how tasteless and misogynistic his lyrics were. It almost frustrates "hip hop heads" because they want something of a complete package like say El-P, MF Doom or Kanye West. But if you really step back and think about how Dilla was that way, it starts to make perfect sense.

Dilla was not someone that took himself too seriously on the mic. He was a Detroit muthafucka just like anyone else growing up in that time and place. But he was born with the gift of musical genius's ear. And to him music was just a crazed obsession that he loved and was very competitive about. It became so unhealthy that he lost sleep and wouldn't eat because he was so drowned in his records, furiously trying to outdo his peers such as Pete Rock, Madlib, DJ Spinna etc. It would keep him up late at night at the mere thought of someone else practicing while he wasn't. He even skipped touring with SV because of the fear that it would take time away from him practicing and becoming the best at his craft. Any time he ever got a call from Pete Rock or Diamond D, that would just fuel that burning desire for him to be the best, almost like a Jordan type of mindset for making beats. He loved music and had so much fun making it.

And therein lies our answer: Dilla's passion for music was the joy of it all. It wasn't about spreading a message. It certainly wasn't about being tame or sensible to who may be listening. It was about expressing things that matter to him through every phase of his life. In his early twenties, what was important to him? Just about the same things as any other post-adolescent that just got his first taste of success: nice cars and sexy women. As he aged, his maturity developed and quickly became more conscious and aware of mortality and the importance of love. It's fitting that his career began with phrase "What love got to do with it? Ask SV it's all bullshit" to the polar opposite of the deeply, love-rooted tones found on his Motown beat tape, Donuts and The Shining. He was always honest on the mic about who he wanted to be and never gave a care about what his critics thought he SHOULD rap about. His rapping was from the heart, whether it sat well with you or not.

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he was good but IMO a lot of it was in contrast to his surrounding talent in SV

it made him sound much better than he was

then with his quick ascension to the upper echoleon of producers rathar quickly we got familier w/ him and his style accepted it

thats why I cant go above saying he was "decent"

yes he rhymed on beat, in the pocket, and had a personality but there are a plethora of other mc's who fit that bill and we callthem just what they are "decent"

he wasn't special on the mic by any means

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

OR JUST KILL THAT NOISE

DUDE SAID HE WASN'T A TOP 25 MC BUT U STILL WANT TO THROW THE DECENT WORD OUT THERE

COPY/PASTE A "DECENT" LYRIC TO PROVE YA POINT...GUARANTEE CRICKETS

You slap the nigga(DRAKE) five n he gon moisturize ya palms nahmean!-BIG GHOST NAHMEAN!

I said he was decent to me

I dont have to prove ish

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

MOFOS ALWAYS WANT TO TALK SIDEWAYS BUT CAN'T NEVER BACK IT UP WITH FACTS


THANKS FOR PROVING ME RIGHT

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there are some over-rating him (even calling people out for not knowing hip hop if they don't agree lol)

and some that want to say he is horrible

He good.

Definitely not the best producer on the mic, but not all of us get all of our opinions from ?uestlove...

>he was good but IMO a lot of it was in contrast to his
>surrounding talent in SV
>
>it made him sound much better than he was

And even w/ joints like Slumv's "Reunion", where the lyric-potency had been upped w/ the addition of Elzhi and an improved T3, Dilla had the most memorable verse on there.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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Dilla haveing a more memorable verse was the exception not the rule

dude wasnt trash by any means but some of these replies in here youd think he was Royce the 5'9 or sumthin (an apples to aples Detroit mc comparision to someone who is similar to Dilla in content but better)

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

I think right now, Dilla and his little brother are on the same level.

Dirty Slums kinda proves that

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

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�The other dude after me didn�t help my case. It was just like�crazy nigga factory going on.�
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. �I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,� he says. �Never did.�-- Andre B

he stepping his game up

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>I think right now, Dilla and his little brother are on the
>same level.

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�The other dude after me didn�t help my case. It was just like�crazy nigga factory going on.�
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�The other dude after me didn�t help my case. It was just like�crazy nigga factory going on.�
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. �I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,� he says. �Never did.�-- Andre B

>I think right now, Dilla and his little brother are on the
>same level.
>
>Dirty Slums kinda proves that

Dilla dick riders are way behind on what his hometown has been up too...

Illa J (second verse)

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DETROIT BITCH!

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Little brother is killing yall haters.. LMAO!

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My nigga we....

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I'm that nigga from the D..

Whatchu got?

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>I'm that nigga from the D..
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>Whatchu got?

lol. I asked you first. My username is my real actual name. Your username claims that J Dilla's little brother is on his older brother's level. You're really serious with that claim?

Again... I asked you first.

The name says Yank Charter Member and I stand by what I wrote

You got a problem with that?

I was on Detroit Hip Hop before there was an Okayplayer for you niggas to post silly ass shit

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I'm not the one having panic attacks over Dilla's little brother.

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and Illa J is not a good rapper...but he's the equivalent of his brother now?

just clear that up for me.

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So yea Dilla 'wasn't really a good MC' and before Dirty Slums his brother was TERRIBLE.

Now, that his brother has worked on his craft somewhat he is on the level his brother was before he died. Now could Dilla have been better, sure but he didn't get the chance when his brother now has one.

Right now I look at Illa the same way I looked at T-3 who is also improving little by little. The same way all 3 original members improved their rhyme styles with every album that dropped going back to Fantastic vol 1.

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>out responses
>
>he was good but IMO a lot of it was in contrast to his
>surrounding talent in SV
>
>it made him sound much better than he was
>
>then with his quick ascension to the upper echoleon of
>producers rathar quickly we got familier w/ him and his style
>accepted it
>
>thats why I cant go above saying he was "decent"
>
>yes he rhymed on beat, in the pocket, and had a personality
>but there are a plethora of other mc's who fit that bill and
>we callthem just what they are "decent"
>
>he wasn't special on the mic by any means

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People on here think T-Baby is a dope mc.

Dilla wasn't bad, but he wasn't good either. He's one of those rappers that's just good to have on in the background without really paying attention to them.

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It really does seem like a lot of rappers get a pass on here just because they're from Detroit though. I believe you're in Detroit, so I can understand cheering for the home team and all that shit, so I'm cool with you giving it up to everybody. It's like how people from New York give wack music a pass because it's local.

But I've seen guys on here claim that Baatin (RIP) was dope. He had a few cool moments, but overall, he sucked at rapping.

Black Milk? Good (not great) producer with a fairly original sound, awful rapper though.
Guilty? I like his voice. Everything else? Terrible.
Trick Trick? There were people legitimately saying that this dude was dope. Unbelievable.
Elzhi. The most overrated rapper on OKP.
Royce. The second most overrated rapper on OKP.

Don't get me wrong, I love a lot of Detroit rap. Danny Brown (though I feel he's a bit overrated on here too), Obie Trice, Invincible, Buff1, One.Be.Lo etc (a couple of these might be from somewhere else in Michigan, hopefully you get the idea though).

I still ride for Em as probably the most technically gifted rapper ever, even if his music sucks nowadays.

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>Royce. The second most overrated rapper on OKP.
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Aint nobody fuckin with this rhyme style

Royce Da 5'9" has been known for his rhyme structure - often two or more of his lines will rhyme exactly start to finish. He has also been known to move from one set of rhymes to another, then coming back to the first set later on in the verse. Complex phrasing is another aspect of his style, which looks to avoid delivering lines in simple or common terms.

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You just spoke of how overrated Black, Guilty, Royce, and Elzhi are, but spoke of how you like Buff1, Invincible, and OneBeLo.

I like all those rappers, but you really expect to be taken seriously with that bullshit?!

i forgot you typed stuff other than "Nas lost". *shrugs*

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shit yea he was

this shit is proof enough to me in like 7 or somethin bars

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one of my favorite album intros ever