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"GZA's next album to revolve around science (SWIPE)"


  

          

(yeah I know that's a Ghost lyric, not GZA, but work with me)

With "Dark Matter", dude really is going to rhyming about stars, planets, and quasars.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577436392955009490.html

A Rapper Finds His Muse in the Stars


By ANNA LOUIE SUSSMAN
Daniella Zalcman for The Wall Street Journal

The rapper GZA at the Hayden Planetarium, which inspired a new project.

On an early May afternoon in the offices of Neil deGrasse Tyson, the director of the Hayden Planetarium, a model of Saturn caught the eye of a 45-year-old high-school dropout, and a lyric was born.

"I thought, this is probably the longest spinning record in the world," said GZA, the hip-hop artist and founding member of the Wu-Tang Clan, referring to the ring system surrounding the planet. About a week later, the words crystallized and he offered them over a vegetarian lunch on the Upper West Side.

"God put the needle on the disc of Saturn / The record he played revealed blueprints and patterns," he rapped in his signature rhythmic baritone, offering a taste from his forthcoming album, "Dark Matter," an exploration of the cosmos filtered through the mind of a rapper known among his peers as "the Genius."

GZA, with Neil deGrasse Tyson, the director of the Hayden Planetarium, in Mr. Tyson's office at the Museum of Natural History.

Informed by meetings with top physicists and cosmologists at MIT and Cornell University, "Dark Matter" is intended to be the first in a series of albums that GZA—born Gary Grice in Brooklyn in 1966—will put out in the next few years, several of which are designed to get a wide audience hooked on science.

"Dark Matter" is scheduled for a fall release. Another album will focus on the life aquatic, a subject he's fleshing out with visits to the labs of marine biologists and researchers, as well as meetings with the likes of Philippe Cousteau.

"After 'Dark Matter,' he said, "we'll be back on earth, but in the ocean."

In between will come "Liquid Swords 1.5," for which GZA will re-record the lyrics to his beloved 1995 album "Liquid Swords," backed by live bands.

Composer and producer Marco Vitali, a Juilliard-trained violinist, is helping to score "Dark Matter." He recalled a recent meeting in which GZA explained the images that the music should convey.

"We talked about frenetic energy, outer space, molecules crashing into each other, organized chaos," Mr. Vitali said. "The grandeur of the fact that the universe was born in a millionth of a second, in this explosion that created billions of stars, these overpowering ideas that are bigger than we can conceive. How do we make the record feel like that?"

In other words, how does one score the majesty of the entire universe?

"We don't have the answers yet," conceded Mr. Vitali. One thing he does know is that the score will utilize "the power of an entire orchestra," likely one from a smaller European country, to keep costs down.

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The rapper performs with the Wu-Tang Clan in 2001.

For GZA, a major challenge is convincing skeptics for whom hip-hop and an academic subject like physics seem incompatible.

"It's gonna sound so boring to most people," the rapper said. "There have been times when I've been told, 'Oh, you're doing an album about physics? I hope it's not boring.' They don't get the idea. Because rappers are so one-dimensional, so narrow-minded, it comes off corny."

Still, he believes that "Dark Matter" will tap into the innate curiosity of listeners—even those with no outward interest in science.

"I don't think people have ever really been in touch with science," he said. "They're drawn to it, but they don't know why they're drawn to it. For example, you may be blown away by the structure of something, like a soccer ball or a geodesic dome, with its hexagonal shapes. Or how you can take a strand of hair and can get someone's whole drug history. They're different forms of science, but it's still science."

He plans to package "Dark Matter" with a short illustrated book that may also include the album's lyrics and a glossary, "like an epic textbook," he said.

Penny Chisholm, a professor of environmental science at MIT, said she'd welcome the chance to use a GZA album as a teaching tool. She met with him last December when he came to visit her lab, where she researches the ocean phytoplankton Prochlorococcus, the most abundant photosynthetic cell on the planet.

"He'd been doing his homework on the oceans," Ms. Chisholm said. "I was struck by his appreciation of the complexity of ecology and physics, and his views on life. I think he's now on a new mission, and he could play an important role in getting various messages out through his art form—about the earth, and science. That's why I've become a fan."

It's that kind of academic inspiration that a young Gary Grice could have used growing up in Brooklyn in the 1970s. He was always smart: Before he was the GZA, he could recite nursery rhymes backward and forward.

"He was the Genius, and we called him genius because we knew that he was a genius," said Raekwon, another founding member of the Wu-Tang Clan, the legendary Staten Island hip-hop crew formed in the early '90s.

But as he came of age, the city's blossoming hip-hop scene exerted its own gravitational pull, drawing him away from the classroom. He cut class most days, staying home to write lyrics or hang out with friends and make demos.

"I thought I knew more than what they were teaching in school," he said. "When you look back on it now, it's foolish to be cutting because we had so much more opportunity than now. When I look back at high school, or even junior high, we had all the things that kids don't have now: woodshop, ceramics, metal class, electric class, graphic arts, graphic design."

Instead he poured his efforts into music. A first album, "Words From the Genius," failed to make a splash in 1991. Two years later, he and eight friends—including two cousins, who would become the RZA and Ol' Dirty Bastard—released "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)," a critical entry in the hip-hop canon. His solo follow-up, "Liquid Swords," went gold, winning acclaim for its sophisticated lyrics.

Despite have left school in the 10th grade, GZA nurtured his affection for science as he developed his skills as a lyricist.

"There were certain things that grabbed my interest, such as photosynthesis, such as us living off plants and plants living off us," he said. "You look at everything in that light—so if I'm looking at ice cubes, I might start thinking about absolute zero, or Fahrenheit and Celsius. There's so much that can make me think about science."

In 1995, when he released "Liquid Swords," GZA solidified his stature as the Wu-Tang Clan's most recognizable lyricist with lines like "I be the body dropper, the heartbeat stopper / child educator plus head amputator." Nearly two decades later, "Dark Matter," with its rejection of the braggadocio and violence often found in hip-hop and its embrace of poetry and natural imagery, could finally enable this father of two to seize that mantle of "child educator."

"There's no parental advisory, no profanity, no nudity," he said. "The only thing that's going to be stripped bare is the planets."

A version of this article appeared May 31, 2012, on page A19 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: A Rapper Finds His Muse in the Stars.

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This could be dope or...
Jun 01st 2012
1
whew wee this album is gunna tear the club up!
Jun 01st 2012
2
lmao!
Jun 01st 2012
7
Dealin in my cypher I revolve around sciences
Jun 01st 2012
3
*nerd boner*
Jun 01st 2012
4
Who's on the beats, tho?
Jun 01st 2012
5
i wanna see Gza hook up with DJ Spinna...
Jun 01st 2012
6
I hope he keeps working with Black Milk
Jun 01st 2012
9
^I like this, too
Jun 01st 2012
12
I like that
Jun 01st 2012
11
I wish he'd hook-up with Edan or El-P
Jun 01st 2012
23
      I just hope it's not the super-monotone GZA over plodding beats....
Jun 01st 2012
24
      RE: I wish he'd hook-up with Edan or El-P
Jun 02nd 2012
33
Ambitious, but I dont think we gon like it
Jun 01st 2012
8
"ya get an E for effort but T for nice try" @5ft
Jun 01st 2012
13
      The news sounds like an april fools joke
Jun 01st 2012
27
           I can gaurentee he wont make a subsequent science lp that sees
Jun 02nd 2012
42
           LMAO, i'm sayin
Jun 02nd 2012
52
           It really does
Jun 03rd 2012
69
*crosses fingers*
Jun 01st 2012
10
GZA used to be my fav mc but honestly his decline has been gradual
Jun 01st 2012
14
Grandmasters was excellent n/m
Jun 01st 2012
15
to you but I didnt like it
Jun 01st 2012
16
don't see how you could ride for Legend and shit on Grandmasters
Jun 01st 2012
17
my issue was that he sounded like he didnt want to be there lol
Jun 01st 2012
20
      what's 'dated' about Liquid Swords?
Jun 01st 2012
22
           its over 15 years old and you are asking me why it sounds dated?
Jun 02nd 2012
43
                no snark but that was a bullshit reply
Jun 02nd 2012
46
                     ure asking why something that came out in another era
Jun 02nd 2012
48
                          obviously not
Jun 02nd 2012
49
                               I think abrock33 jumped the shark in this thread
Jun 02nd 2012
59
                                    when do u think GZA's decline began?
Jun 03rd 2012
63
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPJUV3n6Ss
Jun 01st 2012
18
RE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPJUV3n6Ss
Jun 02nd 2012
34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-7g03iM3tU
Jun 01st 2012
19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tesD7inx880
Jun 01st 2012
21
RE: Grandmasters was excellent n/m
Jun 01st 2012
25
      wat?
Jun 01st 2012
26
           i love Liquid Swords, Grandmasters is better TO ME
Jun 01st 2012
28
                Word, I've just never heard anyone say that....
Jun 02nd 2012
39
I loved Legends of the Liquid Swords
Jun 02nd 2012
32
one of his underrated records... lots of good tracks on that one
Jun 02nd 2012
38
      man this joint here:
Jun 02nd 2012
47
           Yep that and the one with Santigold were my fav
Jun 03rd 2012
74
                this was a banger as well:
Jun 04th 2012
76
"running out of gas very quickly"
Jun 06th 2012
84
liquid swords 1.5 is more exciting to me
Jun 01st 2012
29
glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.
Jun 02nd 2012
31
i dunno b..
Jun 02nd 2012
35
RE: GZA's next album to revolve around science (SWIPE)
Jun 02nd 2012
30
*groan*
Jun 02nd 2012
36
What in blue fuck are you talking about?
Jun 02nd 2012
41
I don't think you have to worry about Filler w/GZA
Jun 05th 2012
81
It's All About Production First & Lyrics Second For Me
Jun 02nd 2012
37
You guys are dweebs.
Jun 02nd 2012
40
I'm genuinely excited about it
Jun 02nd 2012
44
how many of u will actually buy a copy?
Jun 02nd 2012
45
      See. This is what I mean. You guys are dweebs.
Jun 02nd 2012
50
      I would treat it like any other album
Jun 02nd 2012
54
      his tryn to break topical boundries is commendable
Jun 03rd 2012
64
      RE: how many of u will actually buy a copy?
Jun 03rd 2012
68
lol, wut?
Jun 02nd 2012
53
      right
Jun 02nd 2012
55
           Exactly. You guys are fucking dweebs.
Jun 02nd 2012
57
Fucking dumb.
Jun 02nd 2012
51
Its no different than listening to an album about pussy juice.
Jun 02nd 2012
56
      RE: Its no different than listening to an album about pussy juice.
Jun 02nd 2012
58
      Miss E...So Addictive
Jun 02nd 2012
60
           Dude......lol
Jun 03rd 2012
72
           ^_^
Jun 05th 2012
83
      I know YOU know this won't work as an entire album.
Jun 03rd 2012
61
           LOL. You're a fucking dweeb.
Jun 03rd 2012
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                RE: LOL. You're a fucking dweeb.
Jun 03rd 2012
65
                     this is how it will really go
Jun 03rd 2012
66
                          And you're STILL a fucking dweeb.
Jun 03rd 2012
67
                               Your whole steeze is a fucking joke
Jun 03rd 2012
70
                                    "your'e a dweeb"..I was just sayin it before he did I couldn't resist lo...
Jun 03rd 2012
71
                                         Yeah, you're starting to sound flustered and mad now.
Jun 03rd 2012
73
would be dope if there was a guest spot from Last Emperor...
Jun 04th 2012
75
Orbit Established pretty uch took are of everything for me, bro
Jun 04th 2012
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RE: Orbit Established pretty uch took are of everything for me, bro
Jun 06th 2012
86
Braniac dum dums bust the scientifical!
Jun 05th 2012
78
Unless it's scientifcally or musically bad, I'll prob. buy it for my kid...
Jun 05th 2012
79
So now we're dissing emcees for being ambitious? Okay.
Jun 05th 2012
80
^^^^
Jun 05th 2012
82
Maybe if Primo produced the entire album..lol
Jun 06th 2012
85

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it could end up like Biophilia. FUCK YOU STEVE!!
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2. "whew wee this album is gunna tear the club up!"
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7. "lmao!"
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3. "Dealin in my cypher I revolve around sciences"
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(c) Ghostface

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5. "Who's on the beats, tho?"
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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6. "i wanna see Gza hook up with DJ Spinna..."
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....on some spacey 1996-99 Spinna type beats

  

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9. "I hope he keeps working with Black Milk"
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That's a pretty good fit for this project.

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12. "^I like this, too"
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I'll definitely check for this, Wu-Tang forever and all of that. It's an interesting idea, just hope it's also an enjoyable listen.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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11. "I like that"
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>....on some spacey 1996-99 Spinna type beats


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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23. "I wish he'd hook-up with Edan or El-P"
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Those 2 would suite him amazingly, everytime I hear Beauty & The Beat I can imagine GZA being able to do something great to those beats. El-P goes without saying

  

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24. "I just hope it's not the super-monotone GZA over plodding beats...."
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.....rappin' 'bout science lol!


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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33. "RE: I wish he'd hook-up with Edan or El-P"
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...agreed..

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8. "Ambitious, but I dont think we gon like it"
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13. ""ya get an E for effort but T for nice try" @5ft"
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I agree

I love GZA

Im impressed that hes willing to think outside the box and tackle a project of this magnitude

however I don't know that I'd want to hear it

maybye an intial listen for curosity sake but after that nah

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27. "The news sounds like an april fools joke"
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Fri Jun-01-12 09:14 PM by Starks dunked on Bul

  

          

>I agree
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>I love GZA
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>Im impressed that hes willing to think outside the box and
>tackle a project of this magnitude
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>however I don't know that I'd want to hear it
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>maybye an intial listen for curosity sake but after that nah


and he's planning another album about the oceans? lmao, seriously???

like how could that make for good entertainment?

  

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42. "I can gaurentee he wont make a subsequent science lp that sees "
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the light of day

First off if he has to do all this research it will be too time consuming

on top of that after this one sells 39 copies who will fund him to do another?

lets be real weve been waiting on a proper Liquid Swords 2 for how many years now hes off doin this? *smh*

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52. "LMAO, i'm sayin"
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> the light of day
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>First off if he has to do all this research it will be too
>time consuming
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>on top of that after this one sells 39 copies who will fund
>him to do another?
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>lets be real weve been waiting on a proper Liquid Swords 2 for
>how many years now hes off doin this? *smh*
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Or an article in the Onion

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10. "*crosses fingers*"
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I'd like to see more artists of all sorts challenge themselves this way... novelists do actual research when compiling a novel. Why shouldn't musicians/lyricists/rappers do the same?

And for some reason, this totally fits my mental image of GZA

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14. "GZA used to be my fav mc but honestly his decline has been gradual"
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his last 2 lps (Grandmasters & Pro Tools) wern't up to HIS high standards lyrically

they sound lazy like he didnt want to do it and hastily put togther

I even ride for "Legend of the liquid sword" I thought it was a great lp despite most people ignoring it

my problem w this new "science" thing is I can see him forcing a dope concept that may work for 2 or 3 songs and tryin to stretch it out for 12 songs and ruining it.

the same as he did with the "Labels concept". It was excellent on "Labels", but had watered down and wore thin by "Animal Planet", "Fame" and the song on Grandmasters with the sports themes

I can see the lp haveing a couple remarkable songs but him running out of gas very quickly and the rest of it sounding like an audio book

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15. "Grandmasters was excellent n/m"
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16. "to you but I didnt like it"
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I been rocking Genuis since the days "Words from.." dropped and Grandmasters was lackluster to me

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17. "don't see how you could ride for Legend and shit on Grandmasters"
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and lyrically c'mon dude.... he killed that album. go revisit it. may not have been what you wanted but he bodied it.
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20. "my issue was that he sounded like he didnt want to be there lol"
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I know dude isnt the most animated on the mic but still he sounded totally unattatched to the rhymes

yes the intricatelt put togther wordplay was spliced togther as normal but he didnt "bring it" @ Leon Black on Curb your enthusism

youre right it def wasnt the lp I wanted lol

Im content w Legend of the Liquid sword...I love that lp and its not as dated as the OG LS

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22. "what's 'dated' about Liquid Swords?"
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>I know dude isnt the most animated on the mic but still he
>sounded totally unattatched to the rhymes
>
>yes the intricatelt put togther wordplay was spliced togther
>as normal but he didnt "bring it" @ Leon Black on Curb your
>enthusism
>
>youre right it def wasnt the lp I wanted lol
>
>Im content w Legend of the Liquid sword...I love that lp and
>its not as dated as the OG LS
>
>

  

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43. "its over 15 years old and you are asking me why it sounds dated?"
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no snark but thats a rhetorical question

that lp doesn't sound like anything out now, willie mithchell loops are not that common

the lp sounds like it came from another era cuz it did

by dated don't assume I mean bad tho it still sounds good but also like it was made over 15 years ago

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46. "no snark but that was a bullshit reply"
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>no snark but thats a rhetorical question
>
>that lp doesn't sound like anything out now, willie mithchell
>loops are not that common
>
>the lp sounds like it came from another era cuz it did
>
>by dated don't assume I mean bad tho it still sounds good but
>also like it was made over 15 years ago

  

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48. "ure asking why something that came out in another era"
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sounds like it came out in another era

theres realy not much explantion I can give

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49. "obviously not"
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>
>theres realy not much explantion I can give

  

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59. "I think abrock33 jumped the shark in this thread"
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because I agree with all his positives but none of his negatives

GZA did fall off but it wasn't with Grandmasters

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63. "when do u think GZA's decline began?"
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what else do u not agree with?

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18. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPJUV3n6Ss"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPJUV3n6Ss
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34. "RE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPJUV3n6Ss"
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...too dope...unfucwitable...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

  

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19. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-7g03iM3tU"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-7g03iM3tU
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21. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tesD7inx880"
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25. "RE: Grandmasters was excellent n/m"
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Goddamn that's such a good fucking LP and nobody seems to think so.

I like Grandmasters better than Liquid Swords.

I also greatly enjoyed Pro Tools

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26. "wat?"
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>I like Grandmasters better than Liquid Swords.
>


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28. "i love Liquid Swords, Grandmasters is better TO ME"
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People are allowed to disagree, I won't change my mind though.

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39. "Word, I've just never heard anyone say that...."
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Muggs did his thing tho.
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32. "I loved Legends of the Liquid Swords"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kznytPMjoaA


I found this CD in a box a few months back, put it in the rotation in my whip.

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38. "one of his underrated records... lots of good tracks on that one"
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47. "man this joint here:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-naqNdyykOg&feature=related

  

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74. "Yep that and the one with Santigold were my fav"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFZswHe1yh4

  

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76. "this was a banger as well:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkODMEGAZdA

  

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84. ""running out of gas very quickly""
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interesting...i wonder if he will make a song about running out of gas quickly

  

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29. "liquid swords 1.5 is more exciting to me"
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>In between will come "Liquid Swords 1.5," for which GZA will
>re-record the lyrics to his beloved 1995 album "Liquid
>Swords," backed by live ba

  

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31. "glad I'm not the only one who noticed this."
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!!!!!!!!!

  

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35. "i dunno b.."
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it went from Liquid Swords fully produced by RZA and featuring the Wu, to Liquid Swords 1.5: remaking the original songs with 'bands'. I'm kind of hesitant to be hyped about that, maybe if he hooks it up with will sessions or el michel affair.. but even then, i think I'm good on the original version (dated or not)

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30. "RE: GZA's next album to revolve around science (SWIPE)"
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I've actually been anticipating this album since I heard about it a few months ago.

I foresee a GZA TED Talks video in the near future.

  

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36. "*groan*"
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>Penny Chisholm, a professor of environmental science at MIT,
>said she'd welcome the chance to use a GZA album as a teaching
>tool.

She misses the point entirely.

The other side of the game is, are ppl gonna play the accuracy game, and how does it meshw tih poetic license?

One of the inherent problems of story and subject raps, is that at the compositional level, it's more difficult to stay on topic for every line of the rap. Folks stick a lot of filler in to keep the whole thing going, and it's why you don't here too many, imo.

  

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41. "What in blue fuck are you talking about? "
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>>Penny Chisholm, a professor of environmental science at
>MIT,
>>said she'd welcome the chance to use a GZA album as a
>teaching
>>tool.
>
>She misses the point entirely.

No, YOU miss the point.

>The other side of the game is, are ppl gonna play the accuracy
>game, and how does it meshw tih poetic license?

What? The fuck that have to do with anything?

>One of the inherent problems of story and subject raps, is
>that at the compositional level, it's more difficult to stay
>on topic for every line of the rap. Folks stick a lot of
>filler in to keep the whole thing going, and it's why you
>don't here too many, imo.

No, dumbass, *you* miss the point. "teaching tool"
doesn't have to mean that she uses the album as a didactic
tool. "Teaching tool" could mean one of several things:
(a) music as an inspirational tool
(b) Music as a tool to introduce the concept
(c) Music as as exercise in reinforcing the coolness of
science in settings outside the classroom.
(d) Many, many, many others

I don't know if it will happen, buts ts a perfectly reasonable assumption. Education already uses this approach..."Magic School
bus" for example, doesn't replace schooling. "Magic School bus"
is important because it make pre-school aged kids look forward
to school and adds a fun spin to learning.

The same could be true for rap (it is true in my personal case)




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81. "I don't think you have to worry about Filler w/GZA"
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> Folks stick a lot of
>filler in to keep the whole thing going, and it's why you
>don't here too many, imo.

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37. "It's All About Production First & Lyrics Second For Me"
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I like GZA but he can get boring at times but if the beats he's rocking over is dope it will keep my interest, so I hope he's got a good line up of producers for that album and they fit the songs.


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40. "You guys are dweebs."
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Stop overanalyzing. You guys all sound like
idiots.

GZA can rap really well and at the very least
the fact that he's openly passionate about the
music means that the rhymes will be good.

Whether the album is scientifically accurate or not is
irrelevant and nobody gives a shit.

Dude is inspired.

The last 2 albums, he hasn't been inspired. That's
what does rappers in -- they just don't get fired up
for the music anymore.

No reason to write this off.

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44. "I'm genuinely excited about it"
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Like more than I have been in some time for an album.

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45. "how many of u will actually buy a copy?"
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all these "i want to hear it" answers are fine

if u only dl it and you dont like its no big deal you havnt invested anything into it

if u buy it tho and u think its garbage thats another story

just curious....

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50. "See. This is what I mean. You guys are dweebs. "
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>all these "i want to hear it" answers are fine
>
>if u only dl it and you dont like its no big deal you havnt
>invested anything into it

I'm going to purchase it just like I do every project
I want to purchase.

I don't understand you dweebs.

>if u buy it tho and u think its garbage thats another story

What?

>just curious....

What?

Fuck is wrong with y'all?

How did the lesson get even dumber than it was?


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54. "I would treat it like any other album"
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When it comes out, I'll pay attention to what kind of buzz it's getting. Assuming it's at least mildly positive, I'll sample the album online. Assuming it sounds good, I'll buy it.

By the way, I've always been in favor of rap broadening its lyrical horizons. Support this album on paper 100% for that reason.

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64. "his tryn to break topical boundries is commendable"
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but doin it THIS way seems forced

if he can pull it off (which I highly doubt he can) Ill be the first to congratulate him and by buying it

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68. "RE: how many of u will actually buy a copy?"
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Pretty sure I will cop.

  

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53. "lol, wut?"
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>Whether the album is scientifically accurate or not is
>irrelevant and nobody gives a shit.

  

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55. "right"
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I thought I was the only one that caught that LOL

*smh* at all the fans of all the supposed quantam physics raps in this thread

is this a new genre? lol

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57. "Exactly. You guys are fucking dweebs. "
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>I thought I was the only one that caught that LOL
>
>*smh* at all the fans of all the supposed quantam physics raps
>in this thread
>
>is this a new genre? lol

No, its rap.

You can rap about pussy juice.

About rainbow showers.

About south african uprisings.

About dead homies.

The only consistent pattern you find in good rap
music is that it sounds good. There is not single
topic synonymous with good or bad music, so using
subject matter alone to predict whether or not the
album will be good or bad is asinine.

The topic itself doesn't matter, and that is
exactly why rap is so fucking great.

You guys are in here sounding like a bunch of
dickhead snobs and you come across as idiots.

The reason that we might be excited for this project
isn't because GZA is rapping about anything particularly
provocative.

The reason we should be excited is that GZA seems genuinely
interested in the project, appears to have his hunger back,
and is interested in taking a new creative direction.


That is enough for us to look forward to it.


The problem with you guys, and most of the lesson, is
that are dweebs who don't understand what the point of
art is, so you get caught up in dumbass details.

I mean, you got Korr in this post whining about the a random
comment about a professor.

You guys are fucking dweebs.

Most of you.


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51. "Fucking dumb."
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Let me start by writing this: Astronomy, cosmology and quantum physics greatly interest me. I've read a few books on the subjects and can sit through marathon sessions of The Universe, Through the Wormhole and similar programs.

However, I'm NOT trying to listen to a fucking hip-hop album on the subject.

RIDICULOUS.

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56. "Its no different than listening to an album about pussy juice. "
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Or weed.

Or Kung Fu.


Its rap.

Listen to it.

If it sounds good, its a good record.

If it doesn't, it doesn't.

Stop being a fucking dweeb.

>Let me start by writing this: Astronomy, cosmology and
>quantum physics greatly interest me. I've read a few books on
>the subjects and can sit through marathon sessions of The
>Universe, Through the Wormhole and similar programs.
>
>However, I'm NOT trying to listen to a fucking hip-hop album
>on the subject.
>
>RIDICULOUS.

  

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58. "RE: Its no different than listening to an album about pussy juice. "
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While we're on the subject, what is this rap album about pussy juice you keep referring to? I want to hear it.

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60. "Miss E...So Addictive"
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72. "Dude......lol"
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83. "^_^"
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61. "I know YOU know this won't work as an entire album."
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I swear sometimes you just argue to argue. I believe you're a teacher. Do you head up the debate club as well? This one of those assignments where you have to argue for the side you don't believe in?

But back to the matter at hand:

A song? Okay.

A motif running through the album? Interesting.

An entire album dedicated solely to astronomy and its accompanying theories will be a disaster ... a fucking supernova (yep, I did it) of an album. A record which will collapse in on itself -- NO songwriter or MC has the spark to balance the heavy subject matter an ENTIRE ALBUM and make it listenable -- and proceed to project myriad superfluous rhymes into a vast hip-hop community that largely could give two fucks about physics.

FAIL.

.

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62. "LOL. You're a fucking dweeb. "
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>But back to the matter at hand:
>
>A song? Okay.
>
>A motif running through the album? Interesting.

>An entire album dedicated solely to astronomy and its
>accompanying theories will be a disaster

LOL -- now you're just making shit up. GZA also talked
with scientists at the Broad Institute about the human
genome, so your wrong, overly-heavy-handed synopsis of
what the album is going to be about is wrong both because
you're heavy handed and because you don't even know what
the album is actually about.

The album is inspired by his appreciation of science,
curiosity, etc.

Its not a physics manifesto and isn't meant to prepare
college kids for the GRE Physics subject test.

Literally only an idiot would think that much.


Besides-

2 Live Crew, a group of shitty MCs, made a solid
record (As Nasty as they wanna be) entirely about
pussy.

GZA, a good MC, can make a good album influenced by
his scientific curiosity.

Its actually not that difficult.

Problem is, you can't be a dweeb.


>... a fucking
>supernova (yep, I did it) of an album.


>A record which will
>collapse in on itself --


*AIIIIRRRBALLLLLL*

I almost vomited.



>NO songwriter or MC has the spark to
>balance the heavy subject matter an ENTIRE ALBUM and make it
>listenable -- and proceed to project myriad superfluous rhymes
>into a vast hip-hop community that largely could give two
>fucks about physics.

"myriad superfluous rhymes"

Jesus christ.

This is the real problem.

You're just not very bright.

You don't want to hear the album because you're simply
not intelligent.

That I can understand.


>FAIL.

Says your science grades? Possibly. You can't write
either, though. Not sure what people like you major
in.

  

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65. "RE: LOL. You're a fucking dweeb. "
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I can't wait to read your defense of this garbage when it drops.

Stick to boxing, dunce. Everyone here knows you don't know shit about music.

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66. "this is how it will really go"
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his most ardent fans will DL

no one will actually spend mony on a copy

the D'Ld cd will quickly be deleted

pleas will be copped

then said supporters will act like this never happened

the GZA will see no money from his "supporters" for his efforts

--------------------
"Good hair"-Uzi

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thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
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67. "And you're STILL a fucking dweeb. "
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>no one will actually spend mony on a copy

I'm not even an "ardent fan" and I'll evaluate
it the same way I do every album, even the ones
by artists I am an "ardent fan" of: I listen to
snippets or a preview stream. If I like it, I
buy it. If I don't like it, I won't buy it.

I bought El-P's album recently using that format
(not an ardent fan)


I both Apollo brown/OCs album recently using that format


I'm close to engaging that process for Curren$y


Why?


Because I'm not a dweeb.


>the D'Ld cd will quickly be deleted
>
>pleas will be copped

>then said supporters will act like this never happened
>
>the GZA will see no money from his "supporters" for his
>efforts

LOL -- nobody is saying its guaranteed to be great,
you dweeb.

If the album sucks, than it sucks.

Same way a lot of albums that we wish were good, suck.

Blueprint 2.0 sucked.

Nastradamus sucked.

Most of Weezy's albums suck.

Same with Wiz Khalifah.

Same with a lot of artists.

If its good, we'll like it.

If it sucks, it sucks and we move the fuck on.

You guys are fucking dweebs because you are being critical
for the wrong reasons; there's nothing inherently wrong
with GZA trying to experiment with new topics and there's
nothing in the topic he's choosing to experiment with that
tells me for a fact the album will suck.

The only way I'll know if its good or bad is if I press play.


Again-


If it sucks, no problem, more time for better music.
Nice try, GZA, but I've got better things to do.

If its good, then good for GZA and good for me.

You dweebs have piss poor self-esteem and end
up turning music discussions into things that have
nothing to do with music.

Its music. Listen to it, talk about what you liked or
didn't.

But don't be a fucking dweeb.

  

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70. "Your whole steeze is a fucking joke"
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turning music discussions into things that have
>nothing to do with music.

This is ALL about the music, and this album is a horrible idea IMO. I explained why I felt that way in earlier posts.

So you can continue to write long replys that say nothing.

And you can continue to personally attack posters who disagree but that simply reflects badly on you.

Stop acting like a fucking clown. I know you can be civil. You're better than this, son.

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71. ""your'e a dweeb"..I was just sayin it before he did I couldn't resist lo..."
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I refuse to spend my time argueing or replying to his childish, nonsenseical replies so Im glad u did

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73. "Yeah, you're starting to sound flustered and mad now. "
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A flustered and mad dweeb, that is.


Generally that's what happens when I'm right.

You're not responding because you don't have
anything to say.

Plus you mad.

  

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75. "would be dope if there was a guest spot from Last Emperor..."
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i always imagined the last emp doin a record like this....

maybe even give him an uninterrupted 36 bars with his own beat....kinda like an extended interlude.

anyways....i think some of ya'll are taking this too seriously...

i agree with orbit..its just a concept album, and concept albums tend to be loosely applied in hip hop.

it actually reminds me of that Dino 5 album prince paul did w/ chali2na, ladybug, and wordsworth...in the sense that they produced and executed a very specific concept...

maybe all the press about meeting with professors throws people off....i didn't take that to mean that he was gonna deliver a dissertation... i think he's more focused on the musical and lyrical bed creating an atmosphere that reflects what he sees when he thinks/dreams/studies the cosmos....no different from how dr octagon's album musically creates an atmosphere that matches the character..

in fact...if you replaced gza's name in this article with kool keith, no one would be mad...cuz you expect out-there shit from keith....its just that gza is expected to stay in a certain lane....and science seems far fetched to some.....but, eh....i think its gonna be at least interesting...and at best, dope....

  

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77. "Orbit Established pretty uch took are of everything for me, bro"
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86. "RE: Orbit Established pretty uch took are of everything for me, bro"
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I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but I agree with Orbit on this...

It's not that serious. Now there will always be a few nerds who's only concern is finding the errors and flaws but what fun is that?

It's like the movie nerds who point out how Avatar wasn't possible due to space warp, gravity, time travel or whatever nerdy shit they use to make themselves unfuckable to women.

Gza will drop a few scientifical words...lol. Throw in a few songs about alchemy and keep it moving.

Will it knock? I hope...



  

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78. "Braniac dum dums bust the scientifical!"
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good to hear

i always appreciate words from the Genius

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79. "Unless it's scientifcally or musically bad, I'll prob. buy it for my kid..."
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They Might Be Giants' 'Here Comes Science' has been in steady rotation for them for 6 months now. A rap album about the solar system is right up their alley.

They love the Dino 5, too, but while it's a fun album, it's full of terrible science.

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album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
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80. "So now we're dissing emcees for being ambitious? Okay."
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85. "Maybe if Primo produced the entire album..lol"
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>(yeah I know that's a Ghost lyric, not GZA, but work with
>me)
>
>With "Dark Matter", dude really is going to rhyming about
>stars, planets, and quasars.
>
>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577436392955009490.html
>
>A Rapper Finds His Muse in the Stars
>
>
>By ANNA LOUIE SUSSMAN
>Daniella Zalcman for The Wall Street Journal
>
>The rapper GZA at the Hayden Planetarium, which inspired a new
>project.
>
>On an early May afternoon in the offices of Neil deGrasse
>Tyson, the director of the Hayden Planetarium, a model of
>Saturn caught the eye of a 45-year-old high-school dropout,
>and a lyric was born.
>
>"I thought, this is probably the longest spinning record in
>the world," said GZA, the hip-hop artist and founding member
>of the Wu-Tang Clan, referring to the ring system surrounding
>the planet. About a week later, the words crystallized and he
>offered them over a vegetarian lunch on the Upper West Side.
>
>"God put the needle on the disc of Saturn / The record he
>played revealed blueprints and patterns," he rapped in his
>signature rhythmic baritone, offering a taste from his
>forthcoming album, "Dark Matter," an exploration of the cosmos
>filtered through the mind of a rapper known among his peers as
>"the Genius."
>
>GZA, with Neil deGrasse Tyson, the director of the Hayden
>Planetarium, in Mr. Tyson's office at the Museum of Natural
>History.
>
>Informed by meetings with top physicists and cosmologists at
>MIT and Cornell University, "Dark Matter" is intended to be
>the first in a series of albums that GZA—born Gary Grice in
>Brooklyn in 1966—will put out in the next few years, several
>of which are designed to get a wide audience hooked on
>science.
>
>"Dark Matter" is scheduled for a fall release. Another album
>will focus on the life aquatic, a subject he's fleshing out
>with visits to the labs of marine biologists and researchers,
>as well as meetings with the likes of Philippe Cousteau.
>
>"After 'Dark Matter,' he said, "we'll be back on earth, but in
>the ocean."
>
>In between will come "Liquid Swords 1.5," for which GZA will
>re-record the lyrics to his beloved 1995 album "Liquid
>Swords," backed by live bands.
>
>Composer and producer Marco Vitali, a Juilliard-trained
>violinist, is helping to score "Dark Matter." He recalled a
>recent meeting in which GZA explained the images that the
>music should convey.
>
>"We talked about frenetic energy, outer space, molecules
>crashing into each other, organized chaos," Mr. Vitali said.
>"The grandeur of the fact that the universe was born in a
>millionth of a second, in this explosion that created billions
>of stars, these overpowering ideas that are bigger than we can
>conceive. How do we make the record feel like that?"
>
>In other words, how does one score the majesty of the entire
>universe?
>
>"We don't have the answers yet," conceded Mr. Vitali. One
>thing he does know is that the score will utilize "the power
>of an entire orchestra," likely one from a smaller European
>country, to keep costs down.
>
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>GZA
>Scott Gries/ImageDirect/Getty Images
>
>The rapper performs with the Wu-Tang Clan in 2001.
>
>For GZA, a major challenge is convincing skeptics for whom
>hip-hop and an academic subject like physics seem
>incompatible.
>
>"It's gonna sound so boring to most people," the rapper said.
>"There have been times when I've been told, 'Oh, you're doing
>an album about physics? I hope it's not boring.' They don't
>get the idea. Because rappers are so one-dimensional, so
>narrow-minded, it comes off corny."
>
>Still, he believes that "Dark Matter" will tap into the innate
>curiosity of listeners—even those with no outward interest in
>science.
>
>"I don't think people have ever really been in touch with
>science," he said. "They're drawn to it, but they don't know
>why they're drawn to it. For example, you may be blown away by
>the structure of something, like a soccer ball or a geodesic
>dome, with its hexagonal shapes. Or how you can take a strand
>of hair and can get someone's whole drug history. They're
>different forms of science, but it's still science."
>
>He plans to package "Dark Matter" with a short illustrated
>book that may also include the album's lyrics and a glossary,
>"like an epic textbook," he said.
>
>Penny Chisholm, a professor of environmental science at MIT,
>said she'd welcome the chance to use a GZA album as a teaching
>tool. She met with him last December when he came to visit her
>lab, where she researches the ocean phytoplankton
>Prochlorococcus, the most abundant photosynthetic cell on the
>planet.
>
>"He'd been doing his homework on the oceans," Ms. Chisholm
>said. "I was struck by his appreciation of the complexity of
>ecology and physics, and his views on life. I think he's now
>on a new mission, and he could play an important role in
>getting various messages out through his art form—about the
>earth, and science. That's why I've become a fan."
>
>It's that kind of academic inspiration that a young Gary Grice
>could have used growing up in Brooklyn in the 1970s. He was
>always smart: Before he was the GZA, he could recite nursery
>rhymes backward and forward.
>
>"He was the Genius, and we called him genius because we knew
>that he was a genius," said Raekwon, another founding member
>of the Wu-Tang Clan, the legendary Staten Island hip-hop crew
>formed in the early '90s.
>
>But as he came of age, the city's blossoming hip-hop scene
>exerted its own gravitational pull, drawing him away from the
>classroom. He cut class most days, staying home to write
>lyrics or hang out with friends and make demos.
>
>"I thought I knew more than what they were teaching in
>school," he said. "When you look back on it now, it's foolish
>to be cutting because we had so much more opportunity than
>now. When I look back at high school, or even junior high, we
>had all the things that kids don't have now: woodshop,
>ceramics, metal class, electric class, graphic arts, graphic
>design."
>
>Instead he poured his efforts into music. A first album,
>"Words From the Genius," failed to make a splash in 1991. Two
>years later, he and eight friends—including two cousins, who
>would become the RZA and Ol' Dirty Bastard—released "Enter the
>Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)," a critical entry in the hip-hop canon.
>His solo follow-up, "Liquid Swords," went gold, winning
>acclaim for its sophisticated lyrics.
>
>Despite have left school in the 10th grade, GZA nurtured his
>affection for science as he developed his skills as a
>lyricist.
>
>"There were certain things that grabbed my interest, such as
>photosynthesis, such as us living off plants and plants living
>off us," he said. "You look at everything in that light—so if
>I'm looking at ice cubes, I might start thinking about
>absolute zero, or Fahrenheit and Celsius. There's so much that
>can make me think about science."
>
>In 1995, when he released "Liquid Swords," GZA solidified his
>stature as the Wu-Tang Clan's most recognizable lyricist with
>lines like "I be the body dropper, the heartbeat stopper /
>child educator plus head amputator." Nearly two decades later,
>"Dark Matter," with its rejection of the braggadocio and
>violence often found in hip-hop and its embrace of poetry and
>natural imagery, could finally enable this father of two to
>seize that mantle of "child educator."
>
>"There's no parental advisory, no profanity, no nudity," he
>said. "The only thing that's going to be stripped bare is the
>planets."
>
>A version of this article appeared May 31, 2012, on page A19
>in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the
>headline: A Rapper Finds His Muse in the Stars.
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