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"seriously can we retire the term "white rapper" now"
Tue Apr-10-12 11:11 AM by ABROCK33

  

          

its readily apparent that the hip hop culture is no longer exclusivly a poor black and latino domain and it hasnt been for about 20 years yet we (black folks) still wanna hold onto it but as a whole we spend very little money to support it

hip hop culture has expanded to permeate into every facet of our lives. it in its modern form a youth from salt lake city Utah can have just as much exposure to hip hop and know more about the culture than a black resident in Brooklyn

Complex mag listed 164 "white mc's" of varying quality but is that not enough? is 300 the magic number for "a pass"? or 500 or 1000? lol

http://www.complex.com/music/2009/12/The-White-Rapper-Encyclopedia/


hip hop isnt just 300 people watchin hip hop on the Box anymore

why must we still choose to designate mc's with a racial conotation as if hip hop is STILL the exclusive property of the poor black and latinos who started it

Im not white but I'm starting to take exception to the term myself

in 1978 a white rapper would have been almost non existant
by 1988 their were minimal sightings
by 98 it became standard to have one in every crew
now in 2012 its so common so why are we still *gawking, pointing fingers and whispering* @ Asher Roth

if I like him or dislike him its based on if I feel what he's doing not on his skin color

there are so many white mc's (and contributers to the culture as dj's , prod, writers etc) that I really don't think they need to justify their downess to anyone

the only designation should be in terms of quality

their are many terrible "white mc's" that I dont care for but their are 100x as many terrible "black/latino etc.." mc's

this also applies to gender based identification

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*There.
Apr 10th 2012
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Its all marketing
Apr 10th 2012
2
kinds sortta
Apr 10th 2012
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RE: kinds sortta
Apr 10th 2012
4
Yep
Apr 10th 2012
42
      Oh, talent is not in question
Apr 10th 2012
43
           RE: Oh, talent is not in question
Apr 10th 2012
47
                none of this substantiates why we should still
Apr 10th 2012
48
                     RE: none of this substantiates why we should still
Apr 10th 2012
49
lets get rid of femcee first.
Apr 10th 2012
5
does that term offend you?
Apr 10th 2012
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Ethel Cee HATES it
Apr 10th 2012
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RE: lets get rid of femcee first.
Apr 10th 2012
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nope not as long as we are in America
Apr 10th 2012
6
but they arent a novelty anymore
Apr 10th 2012
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RE: but they arent a novelty anymore
Apr 10th 2012
10
moot point-the success of the mc's isnt what we are reffering to
Apr 10th 2012
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      RE: moot point-the success of the mc's isnt what we are reffering to
Apr 10th 2012
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I think hip hop is, and will forever be, black music
Apr 10th 2012
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hip hop is a black music that doesn't cater to
Apr 10th 2012
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      Just because it impacts other races does not mean it's not black music
Apr 10th 2012
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      But if the people makeing the music arent all black
Apr 10th 2012
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           like other forms of music here it got stolen from black folks
Apr 10th 2012
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                of course when they saw there was money to be made they
Apr 10th 2012
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                you either real young or naive White folks stole it all from black folk...
Apr 10th 2012
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                     im neither and I just got back from Africa and saw with my own
Apr 10th 2012
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                          RE: im neither and I just got back from Africa and saw with my own
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                          ignorant response deserves no reply....next
Apr 10th 2012
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                          the music front it did get watered down
Apr 10th 2012
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                huh?
Apr 10th 2012
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                     Don Cornelious though had acts on his show
Apr 10th 2012
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                          ^^^^^^skirting the issue^^^^^^^^
Apr 10th 2012
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                          not hardly because DC had acts on his show however FYI
Apr 10th 2012
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                          from the mouth of DC
Apr 10th 2012
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                               him, Quincy Jones, and other Prominent Black figures felt that way
Apr 10th 2012
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      hip hop like other forms of music is always going to be associated
Apr 10th 2012
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when White acts want to be taken serious as rappers they apeal
Apr 10th 2012
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      Maxx I have to respectfully refute that
Apr 10th 2012
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           my replys
Apr 10th 2012
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RE: nope not as long as we are in America
Apr 10th 2012
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      RE: nope not as long as we are in America
Apr 10th 2012
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           RE: nope not as long as we are in America
Apr 10th 2012
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                RE: nope not as long as we are in America
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                     RE: nope not as long as we are in America
Apr 10th 2012
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                          RE: nope not as long as we are in America
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Awwww.
Apr 10th 2012
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Back to topic-whites in hip hop a history *swipe*
Apr 10th 2012
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Apr 10th 2012
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RE: Back to topic-whites in hip hop a history *swipe*
Apr 10th 2012
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what % of blach hip hop artists suck?
Apr 10th 2012
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eyedea (rip) winning the blaze battle an scribble jam
Apr 10th 2012
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we can retire then term "white rapper" when retire "black president"
Apr 10th 2012
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ignorance shouldnt beget ignorance
Apr 10th 2012
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I completely agreed with the sentiment of this topic
Apr 10th 2012
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You Make A Good Point
Apr 10th 2012
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cage's "depart from me" and sage fracis' "li(f)e" made me REALLY realize
Apr 10th 2012
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how can US hiphop ignore race when US society at large revolves around r...
Apr 10th 2012
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Could it not be argued that Blacks are the indigenous peoples of hiphop?
Apr 10th 2012
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sure, if people who are white stop rapping.
Apr 10th 2012
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in a perfect world
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1. "*There."
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THERE ARE.

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a White Rapper.

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2. "Its all marketing"
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Like I said in that other post:

Part of the appeal of a white rapper (to WHITE kids)
is that they are relatively rare. When they stop being
rare, they are no longer interesting.

Same with all black music

Adele and Winehouse and all them are famous because
they are white girls who can sing like black girls

And again: this why WHITE people like them

Its their marketing angle, its why they sell records

Eminem is the highest selling rapper EVER

Why?

Because he's the white guy amongst the black guys

This is what happened to Rock...got too homogenous,
white people stopped caring




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3. "kinds sortta"
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Tue Apr-10-12 11:37 AM by ABROCK33

  

          

>Part of the appeal of a white rapper (to WHITE kids)
>is that they are relatively rare.>

they arent tho...you have whole movements Anticon, Deff Juxx, some of Rawkus...primarily made up of white rappers

they arent that rare

or put it this way its rarer to be a quality mc of any orgin that it is to be a white mc

whats rare is a very dope and unique white mc


>Adele and Winehouse and all them are famous because
>they are white girls who can sing like black girls
>And again: this why WHITE people like them
>Its their marketing angle, its why they sell records>

I agree

>Eminem is the highest selling rapper EVER
>Why Because he's the white guy amongst the black guys>

I think that that statement by itself tho is very narrowminded. yes his race has something to do with it but useing that argument why isnt Asher Roth selling as much?

you have to factor in that Eminem is very proficient at what he does and people like it

personally while I recognize the talent and his writeing accumen and breath control I cant get w his content so he isnt the best to me

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

  

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4. "RE: kinds sortta"
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>I think that that statement by itself tho is very
>narrowminded. yes his race has something to do with it but
>useing that argument why isnt Asher Roth selling as much?

Or why haven't any white rappers since Vanilla Ice done even a tenth as well... the answer is, it's complicated. It's not nearly as simple as "white fans would prefer to buy music by white artists," which is often the implication when Em comes up.

>you have to factor in that Eminem is very proficient at what
>he does and people like it

He's also got a great story and image that sold very well to what became his fanbase. Eminem is the apex of the rapper-as-character. Heads give him shit for his content and particularly going back to particular wells over and over (his ex-wife, his mother, his slasher movie/stabbing people thing) but that is exactly what made him popular, along with his rapping ability and a few big hit tunes.

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42. "Yep"
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not saying that those artist you mentioned don't have talent because they most certainly do.

But marketing, marketing, marketing.
Thats what the phrase "White Rapper" is.

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43. "Oh, talent is not in question"
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Eminem, Winehouse and Adele are obviously talented

But y'all don't need me to tell you about how that
isn't enough

  

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47. "RE: Oh, talent is not in question"
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>
>Eminem, Winehouse and Adele are obviously talented
>
>But y'all don't need me to tell you about how that
>isn't enough

very unfortunate but very very true.

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48. "none of this substantiates why we should still "
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use the term "white rappers" tho

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

  

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49. "RE: none of this substantiates why we should still "
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>use the term "white rappers" tho


"WE" don't. "MARKETERS" do.

yeah, I know people still use it but it's fueled by marketing efforts for the most part.

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5. "lets get rid of femcee first."
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9. "does that term offend you?"
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or women in general?

I also wanted to know

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

  

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22. "Ethel Cee HATES it"
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she also isnt fond of being asked to do "all female shows" "ladies night" etc etc

its like giving a handicapped kid a compliment about well he gets around

maybe that simile sucks but...

you get what im saying right?

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39. "RE: lets get rid of femcee first."
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I know some female rappers that embrace the hell out of that word here, lol. Though I do agree with you.

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6. "nope not as long as we are in America"
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and we know that if somebody Black does something then they gotta find somebody White and blow them up like Wonder bread its a fact. they been still trying to find a White Equal or something to rival Michael Jackson and it never happen during MJ's lifetime and it never will.

Eminem was the White 2Pac and used to sell back to the Burbs and it worked.

he has skills and appeal,however he had to go through Black folks to get that acknowledgement.

and for the record Adele don't sing like no Sister and neither did Amy Winehouse never one of those chicks could Carry Teena Marie's Avon bag.

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7. "but they arent a novelty anymore"
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by that same token hip hop isnt a black/latino culture anymore

why hold on to an antiquated and outdated business model?

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

  

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10. "RE: but they arent a novelty anymore"
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>by that same token hip hop isnt a black/latino culture
>anymore
>
>why hold on to an antiquated and outdated business model?

please name 3 white rappers who sold a milli in the last 5 years? You can't.. name 2? You can't.

Until white rappers are a staple in the mainstream and do respectable numbers they will be called "The white rapper"

We've had about 20 to 30 black QB's in the NFL but they are still called "the black QB".... because it's still new to the NFL when you look through history.

  

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12. "moot point-the success of the mc's isnt what we are reffering to "
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this is about the the fact that hip hop isnt a black culture anymore. therfore their should no be a racial distinction from its participants

just to go along with your flawed argument tho how many black mcs sold a miili in last 5 years? not many

does that mean that blacks aren't a viable part of hip hop then?

>Until white rappers are a staple in the mainstream and do
>respectable numbers they will be called "The white rapper">

by your flawed logic until black people are a majority of the population in the US we will still be called "n*ggers"

true but very ignorant

>We've had about 20 to 30 black QB's in the NFL but they are
>still called "the black QB".... because it's still new to the
>NFL when you look through history.>

hip hop is less than 20 years old. their have been white rappers over half that time

if u still think a caucasion rapper is a new idea than im wondering if u still have a pager?

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
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28. "RE: moot point-the success of the mc's isnt what we are reffering to "
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Tue Apr-10-12 01:19 PM by legsdiamond

          

>this is about the the fact that hip hop isnt a black culture
>anymore. therfore their should no be a racial distinction from
>its participants
>
>just to go along with your flawed argument tho how many black
>mcs sold a miili in last 5 years? not many
>
>does that mean that blacks aren't a viable part of hip hop
>then?
>
> >Until white rappers are a staple in the mainstream and do
>>respectable numbers they will be called "The white rapper">
>
>by your flawed logic until black people are a majority of the
>population in the US we will still be called "n*ggers"
>
>true but very ignorant
>
>>We've had about 20 to 30 black QB's in the NFL but they are
>>still called "the black QB".... because it's still new to
>the
>>NFL when you look through history.>
>
>hip hop is less than 20 years old. their have been white
>rappers over half that time
>
>if u still think a caucasion rapper is a new idea than im
>wondering if u still have a pager?
>

new idea? It's not new... but it's not common to see a white rapper in the mainstream. You can keep pointing to indie acts but 95% of the listening public has never heard of Def Jux, El-P, Yelawolf.

Hip Hop is over 30 years old homie... catch up.

In the last 5 years, TI, Jay, Kanye, BEP, Drake, Wayne have all sold over a mill. Lower it to Gold and there are much more... but only Eminem and... well, only Eminem has sold 500K. It's not really about the numbers though.. just showing that white rappers aren't a staple yet in main stream rap music.

I have no idea where you get the whole n#gger logic from... it's not about becoming a majority... it's about progress and showing that you aren't a novelty. We went from slaves to Doctors, Millionaires to Billionaires, outhouse to White House.

All you have is Eminem and a few backpackers... it's not about majority, it's about consistency... and white MC's haven't shown that yet.

  

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11. "I think hip hop is, and will forever be, black music"
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n/m

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13. "hip hop is a black music that doesn't cater to "
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black people

Orbit layed it out well in his Black Keys post

I think people need to change with the times

this isn't the Bronx in the late 70's anymore

hip hop has influenced people that you dont readily associate with hip hop prolly just as much as it has influenced you or I

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thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
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15. "Just because it impacts other races does not mean it's not black music"
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17. "But if the people makeing the music arent all black"
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and the people controlling the music arent black

and the people buying the music arent black

who is it exclusivly black music?

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
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19. "like other forms of music here it got stolen from black folks"
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and watered down.

sad thing is that some black folks allowed this to happen and an artform just like Jazz, blues,country and R&B gets more and more watered down like its crystal lite.

old Heads can remember when rapping scared white folks and it was a hood thing straight up.

i loved it when a Jimmy Iovine didn't know what to make of it or how to deal with it. tommy mottola as well.

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21. "of course when they saw there was money to be made they"
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Tue Apr-10-12 12:38 PM by ABROCK33

  

          

capatilized on it

but to say they stole it is a stretch. I would say its more fair to say that black folxs themselves have watered down their own music and turned their backs on the essence of hip hop

black people dont support their own art form flat out

if they did then some of the positive hip hop closer to the essence wouldnt be the novelty and the exception to the rule

we dont have to play the blame game here

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24. "you either real young or naive White folks stole it all from black folk..."
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the music got shipped off like how we got shipped over here.

you really think that you couldn't find no Black Men and get a band over to to do Blind Lemon johnson or robert johnson music here?

but naw it got souled to europe and you got money spent on the rolling stones, led zepplin, eric clapton,beatles and others. not going to diss said acts because each of them can play, however they knew what was up.

then you fast forward to adele, amy winehouse, joss stone, same ole same.

black folks get bored of stuff and since there ain't no real sharing in america with black and white then its on to the next, white folks here capoltilize and turn things into a shrine and amusement park,etc..

black folks are guilty of getting bored and moving on and its also because its about the next.

however the white folks who run these labels want black acts to in the field ,now the Prison segement has ran rough shot with how the black male image is used to sell Hip hop and whatnot.

Black folks i know don't be feeling this mess that the entertainment industry puts out.

you gonna get some bigot say that Treyvon Martin was dressing too Hip hop just you watch wait and see?

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25. "im neither and I just got back from Africa and saw with my own "
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eyes the ports where Africans sold other Africans into slavery

so to your point WE played a big part into how we got sold into slavery

but out of convenience we overlook that and blame all of our ills on the man

Im not gonna argue and place blame "on the man"

alot of our wounds in society and in music are self inclicted

I digress

>the music got shipped off like how we got shipped over here.
>
>black folks get bored of stuff>

u are makeing excuses for your people

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29. "RE: im neither and I just got back from Africa and saw with my own "
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>eyes the ports where Africans sold other Africans into
>slavery
>
>so to your point WE played a big part into how we got sold
>into slavery
>
>but out of convenience we overlook that and blame all of our
>ills on the man
>
>Im not gonna argue and place blame "on the man"
>
>alot of our wounds in society and in music are self inclicted
>
>I digress
>
>>the music got shipped off like how we got shipped over here.
>>
>>black folks get bored of stuff>
>
>u are makeing excuses for your people

Nicca please....You fucking kill me with that self hate bullshit.

It's our own fault for slavery... GTFOH.

Fucking fraud ass yard boy...



  

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30. "ignorant response deserves no reply....next"
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nothing to see here

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34. "the music front it did get watered down"
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that point is true and it has been allowed to be illegal to be legal to water down Black Music in order to get in on it from Jazz to Hip Hop.

you know why? because its Black folks language and its our connection to the Motherland and those drums in our mind are our freedom and also the last of hope and light that we have.

we have hurt our ownselves in creatiivty and other aspects of Human Life that is correct, however when somebody profits off of you and lumps you into this or that and all you know is there way, its kinda hard to not be angry and confused.

i don't know too many "HAPPY NEGROES IN AMERICA" do you? and the Music Industry is One of the biggest Bandits of our culture period.

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26. "huh?"
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race is part of the pic but def not the whole pic (as most of your posts seem to posit).

>i loved it when a Jimmy Iovine didn't know what to make of it or how to deal with it. tommy mottola as well.<

e.g., don cornelius didn't know how to deal with it either. n/m

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31. "Don Cornelious though had acts on his show"
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and while he wasn't feeling it per se, he also kept it moving.

i mean Run DMC, Kurtis Blow, Whodini and others were on Soul train before Arsenio hall came into view and even not as long ago as 20 years back said Late night white hosts weren't stock piling there shows with rappers.

even R&B acts had to sell a certain amount of records to get on david lettermen. i remember when Boyz 11 Men were on Lettermen and one of the excutives made a remark along the lines that they sold alot of records and got on where as ain't no way in a country mile was H town getting on the show.

Race and Politics all go hand in hand welcome to America

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35. "^^^^^^skirting the issue^^^^^^^^"
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or at least trying to make it a unilateral one.

per usual, maxx.

smh.

i said dc didn't know what to do with it either -- as a black man.
in response to your contention -- and suggestions that ji and tm didn't know what to do with it b/c they are white.

the way i see it dc wouldn't have embraced hip hop -- nor put it on soul train -- if he didn't see it as commercially viable. he didn't dig it nor did he know what to do with it until it became marketable.
then he figured out what to do with it - make paper off of it.

not so dissimilar to what arsenio, letterman, etc. did with it.

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38. "not hardly because DC had acts on his show however FYI"
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label ceo's weren't signing anybody whom they felt threaten by. "the chronic took a while before there was a bid to bring Dre, Suge,Dick Griffey and Harry O.

it took the same John Mcclain who is running michael jackson's estate on the music side to get a deal for death row records because alot of these major labels said no and wallmart wasn't stocking albums with stickers and we are talking only in the past 15-20 years Man.

having acts on a show was very progressive, signing said acts and there boutique labels and other outlets was a whole different matter all together.

Mottola and Iovine weren't into the music and how many black acts were they really pushing themselves per se??

so add a different element and then the issue of content,imagery,marketing, etc.. it was a whole new beast.

DC didn't have to sign any act to a label, just embrace and have them on his show and regardless of how he felt about said act, he did it in a time when it wasn't fashionable and the norm. you can say the same about the Arsenio hall show because it was one of the few places to be seen and heard. Soul train and Arsenio were some nearly 20 years before 106 and park became the In place to be. lets remember that.

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36. "from the mouth of DC"
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http://timeoutchicago.com/things-to-do/this-week-in-chicago/14918085/don-cornelius-interview

Q-Hip-hop was a shift from the soul and funk that were the early roots of Soul Train. How did you feel when hip-hop was first blowing up?

A-I didn’t give it very long. I thought it might work for five or ten years and then go away. I was wrong.

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40. "him, Quincy Jones, and other Prominent Black figures felt that way"
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and they to this day don't like the imagery and the content associated with it, however its also brought in some attention and pay checks from sampling,etc.. so its been a catch 22.

well in its early days it seemed like a novelty and gotta remember hearing live instrumentation and also singing, etc.. it was hard ot grasp and accept.

nowadays rappers singing which is a big No NO! some Rappers can play,however ain't been one that I would say can do it all and make that mark beyond there scene because it hasn't been a track that i would call timeless that reached that kind of zenith.

anyway DC did have rappers on his show in a time when it was no he didn't type of thing.

so regardless He acknowledged it. not alot of folks did back then

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18. "hip hop like other forms of music is always going to be associated"
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with the Black Experience. and the sad part the music and the terms, etc.. are going to allow other races of people to day dream and live through the culture in a token manner as to truly understand what it meant underneath it all.

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16. "when White acts want to be taken serious as rappers they apeal"
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to who? they ain't trying to appeal at the Old Navy crowd they want to have hood appeal.

not only music but also there thread gear. its a head to toe thing.

still going to be white rappers as was pointed out its just like Black NFL Quarterbacks and Black Head coaches. still seen as a novelty sad to say.

the white rapper still is seen though there are some exception more in the Pat Boone tip than the Elvis Presley light, go back on pat boone doing tutti frutti behind little richard and you get where i'm going

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20. "Maxx I have to respectfully refute that"
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>to who? they ain't trying to appeal at the Old Navy crowd
>they want to have hood appeal.>

this is incorrect. alot of white hip hop artists have side stepped appealing to a black audience and established their own niche market. this is what Anticon and Deff Juxx did and for a time did it well. Im not hip to an equivalent movement in 2012 but Im sure it exists.

>still going to be white rappers as was pointed out its just
>like Black NFL Quarterbacks and Black Head coaches. still seen
>as a novelty sad to say.>

when someone brings up the black QB card as a black man don't you cringe and think thats a clearly racist staement considering all weve been thru?

if the answer is yes how can we occupy that same frame of mind for white mc's?

I acknowledge that that mentality exists. I am just saying that it is incorrect, inaccurate and ignorant

>the white rapper still is seen though there are some exception
>more in the Pat Boone tip than the Elvis Presley light, go
>back on pat boone doing tutti frutti behind little richard and
>you get where i'm going>

I agree but I think u are speaking more on a mainstream corporate level NOT from the intentions of the white mc who may actually love the culture and the art

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23. "my replys"
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>>to who? they ain't trying to appeal at the Old Navy crowd
>>they want to have hood appeal.>
>
>this is incorrect. alot of white hip hop artists have side
>stepped appealing to a black audience and established their
>own niche market. this is what Anticon and Deff Juxx did and
>for a time did it well. Im not hip to an equivalent movement
>in 2012 but Im sure it exists.
>
> >still going to be white rappers as was pointed out its just
>>like Black NFL Quarterbacks and Black Head coaches. still
>seen
>>as a novelty sad to say.>
>
>when someone brings up the black QB card as a black man don't
>you cringe and think thats a clearly racist staement
>considering all weve been thru?
>
>if the answer is yes how can we occupy that same frame of mind
>for white mc's?
>
>I acknowledge that that mentality exists. I am just saying
>that it is incorrect, inaccurate and ignorant
>
>>the white rapper still is seen though there are some
>exception
>>more in the Pat Boone tip than the Elvis Presley light, go
>>back on pat boone doing tutti frutti behind little richard
>and
>>you get where i'm going>
>
>I agree but I think u are speaking more on a mainstream
>corporate level NOT from the intentions of the white mc who
>may actually love the culture and the art
>



with all respect most white Mcs tape rapping like Larry Bird took to playing basketball and Larry Bird always said that if a Black guy wasn't guarding him then he didn't feel he was playing his best ball, something along those lines. white rappers who consider themselves to be the best want to be battling a Brother. they want that acceptance. 1)


no, because while Donovan Mcnabb and Steve Air mcnair were runner ups in the super bowl only Doug Williams has won as a Starting QB in a Super bowl and they asked him how it felt to be a black QB back in 88? we need more and to be beyond only so many to really get to the next level socially and what have you. 2)

you and other cats come into this thinking that said artist is going to be an Indy, however all acts at some time and point start off regional and then if the songs are there, the money, the hype, Pr,etc.. then they go mainstream and they all start off wanting to be real, however they are all aware of privledge and there skin tone and what they will be allowed to do and what they won't. how much you wanna bet that white rappers mainstream or underground weren't watching Eminem closely and carefully? and him winning grammys and an Oscar didn't carry weight? it all matters and how said career goes through a certain segement to be successful 3)

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8. "RE: nope not as long as we are in America"
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agree with everything but the Adele/Whinehouse opinion... they definitely sound black compared to anything else that was out at the time.

TM was dope.... WAS dope... 20 years ago but Adele and Whinehouse definitely fit in the TM box when you put them up against their white peers.

  

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14. "RE: nope not as long as we are in America"
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Adele is like a tap dance step beneath Dusty Springfield and she ain't going to be any more heard soulful than Taylor Dayne.

her music isn't R&B based. neither was Amy Winehouse.

i can appreciate what they do, however its not like we don't have American Born R&B Black Female Singers not doing the same thing.

if a White act truly does R&B trust me they don't get no grammys and cross over acclaim they get hood love and some hits.


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27. "RE: nope not as long as we are in America"
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>Adele is like a tap dance step beneath Dusty Springfield
>and she ain't going to be any more heard soulful than Taylor
>Dayne.
>
>her music isn't R&B based. neither was Amy Winehouse.
>
>i can appreciate what they do, however its not like we don't
>have American Born R&B Black Female Singers not doing the same
>thing.
>
>if a White act truly does R&B trust me they don't get no
>grammys and cross over acclaim they get hood love and some
>hits.
>
>

Dusty Springfield is dope... but you keep referencing white singers from 20+ years ago.

It makes no sense to go full on black R&B if you are white and want to sell records.

You have to remember Adele and Whinehouse are up against Kate Perry, Britney Spears, Ke$ha, Gaga, etc...

When you put them up against the sound that dominates radio they definitely have the "soul" compared to other white singers.

  

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33. "RE: nope not as long as we are in America"
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however all the acts you mentioned have tried to cross over into R&B and Hip hop.

Britney Spears, etc.. all have had R&B / Hip Hop influence in there music. Fergie and Gweyn Stefani also come to mind.

point being its there.

the only thing they did with Winehouse and Adele is use that 60's base vibe which well Lauryn Hill still did better IMO back in 98.

however when a White act does things retro or soulful,etc.. it gets this oh WOW Ketchup goes well with those fries, if a Black Artist does the same thing its they are jumping on a wagon or they have ran out of ideas.

double edge sword at work and meanwhile most folks jump out of there chairs and Yell Yo that is Motown sounding.

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45. "RE: nope not as long as we are in America"
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white people think Adele and Whinehouse make awesome black R&B music...

that was always my point.

  

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50. "RE: nope not as long as we are in America"
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that's because they would rather accept it from them than black people.

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32. "Awwww."
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37. "Back to topic-whites in hip hop a history *swipe*"
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this is a legacy going back 30 years

how can they still be a novelty?

http://www.vulture.com/2009/04/these_are_heady_times_for.html

These are heady times for white people in rap: This month has seen both the return of Eminem, the greatest white rapper of all time, and the debut of Asher Roth, the most commercially viable white rapper since Eminem. But that doesn’t mean hip-hop has gone post-racial in the ten years since Em broke out — just as always, the points of intersection between white people and rap music have been a head-swirling mix of the good, the bad, and the ugly. And it’s all here, in Vulture’s Condensed History of White People in Rap.

1981: Blondie releases “Rapture,” a pop song featuring one rap-style verse, in which Debbie Harry makes references to Fab Five Freddy, eating cars, and execution-style murder. It is one of the first hit songs to incorporate elements of hip-hop.

1983: The Beastie Boys, a trio of downtown hard-core kids, have an underground hit with sort-of-rap song “Cooky Puss,” a prank call to Carvel set to a hip-hop beat.

1984: Rick Rubin, then a student at NYU, meets Russell Simmons, then a fledgling artist manager, and the two create the hip-hop label Def Jam. They initially run the operations out of Rubin’s dorm room.

1986: Inspired by freestyle sessions done over Aerosmith’s 1975 album Toys in the Attic, Run-DMC releases a cover of “Walk This Way” done in collaboration with the band. It is arguably the first-ever crossover rap hit.

— Def Jam releases the Beastie Boys' proper debut, License to Ill. It is a runaway smash, becoming the first No. 1 album in hip-hop history. “Cooky Puss” is not on it.

1988: Rubin splits from Def Jam acrimoniously, and Lyor Cohen, who had been Simmons’s partner at management group Rush Entertainment, takes over as president of the label. He would have a hand in signing a whole bunch of acts, including Slick Rick, EPMD, and Eric B. & Rakim.

—Dave Mays and Jon Schecter, two white Harvard students, create rap magazine The Source, running it at first out of their dorm rooms. It would become the industry’s top publication; at its peak, landing a perfect five-mike review in The Source was one of the greatest accomplishments in hip-hop.

1989: 3rd Bass (a.k.a. Pete Nice and MC Serch), the first critically respected white hip-hop group since the Beastie Boys, debuts with The Cactus Album.

—Atrocious misrepresentations of rap music in cinema, part one: A teen witch helps a girl in an unfortunate bonnet win a rap battle for love. No, we don’t think we could ever top that.

1990: Vanilla Ice, a Miami rapper with a fabricated hard-knocks background, strikes gold with “Ice Ice Baby” … and, almost immediately, becomes a punch line. Regardless, every breathing man or woman between the ages of 18 and 35 still knows every word to this song.

1991: Public Enemy rerecords “Bring the Noise” with Anthrax.

— Marky Mark (né Mark Wahlberg) leads the Funky Bunch to chart domination with “Good Vibrations.” Later, he would throw away his talent in pursuit of an acting career.

1992: Irish-American hip-hop group House of Pain, fronted by Everlast, releases “Jump Around.”

— Insane Clown Posse, a Detroit duo known for painting their faces and spraying their extremely loyal fans — a.k.a. Juggalos — with low-grade Midwestern soda Faygo, debuts with Carnival of Carnage. They would later feud with Eminem.

— Los Angeles rabble-rousers Rage Against the Machine release their self-titled debut, marking themselves as the first (only?) critically successful rap-rock hybrid act.

— A stereotypical “big-butt-hating white girl” provides the seminal intro to Sir Mix-A-Lot’s “Baby Got Back.”

1993: Canadian MC Snow gets the “Stop Snitching” movement started early with “Informer.”

—The soundtrack to Emilio Estevez thriller Judgment Night features a bunch of collaborations between rockers and rappers, including Teenage Fanclub and De La Soul’s “Fallin” and Sonic Youth and Cypress Hill’s “I Love You Mary Jane.”

1996: Lauryn Hill is supposedly quoted as saying some version of “I would rather have my children starve than have white people buy my albums.” This never actually happened.

—David Silver raps! After first exhibiting his skills on Beverly Hills 90210, Brian Austin Green drops his solo album, One Stop Carnival.

1997: Queens rap group Company Flow releases the classic Funcrusher Plus on Rawkus Records, the seminal hip-hop label — founded by Horace Mann grads Brian Brater and Jarret Meyer, with initial funding by Ruper Murdoch’s son James — that would launch the careers of Mos Def and Talib Kweli. Company Flow emcee and producer El-P would eventually form Def Jux records, the other definitive indie-rap label; it’s currently home to legendary white rappers Cage (whom Shia LaBeouf is rumored to be playing in a biopic) and Aesop Rock.

—Limp Bizkit debuts with Three Dollar Bill, Ya’ll, becoming the undisputed champs of the rap-metal movement. And, for a while there, one of the biggest bands in America. Later, they would name an album Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored Water.

1998: Minneapolis rap group Atmosphere debuts with Overcast! Both the group and its label, Rhymesayers (now home to albino Muslim Brother Ali plus plain old white guys Mac Lethal and producer Jake One), would become underground staples.

—Kid Rock does the rap-rock thing, too, as “Bawitdaba” owns the airwaves.

—Joe Pesci raps, in character as Cousin Vinny.

—To the eternal gratitude of pregame sorority mixers everywhere, the Gourds do a mean country version of “Gin and Juice.”

—Rolling Stone gives the Beastie Boys’ Hello Nasty five stars. Says Touré, “See all those stars up there? That means I can't walk down my block for a whole month. For a black man, championing the Beasties is like being down with Madonna or rooting for the Utah Jazz.”

1999: On the Roots’ “Act Too … the Love of My Life,” Common lets it be known that “when we perform, it’s just coffee shop chicks and white dudes.”

—The Offspring strike out against Bizkit, rock, and their acolytes with the hit "Pretty Fly (For a White Guy)." Later the song would turn out to not age so well.

—Bearing Dr. Dre's stamp of approval, Eminem makes his mainstream debut with “My Name Is.” On The Slim Shady LP, he nods to his white-rap predecessors in “I Just Don’t Give a Fuck,” (“I'm nicer than Pete, but I'm on a Serch to crush a Milkbone / I'm Everlasting, I melt Vanilla Ice like silicone”) and “Role Model” (“I bought Cage's tape, opened it, and dubbed over it”). He would eventually become, for a time, the biggest (and best) rapper alive and one of the biggest (and best) rappers of all time, selling more albums than any rapper other than Tupac, and rewriting the rules for white hip-hop. Footnote: It was actually (white) Interscope exec Jimmy Iovine who first discovered Eminem.

—Atrocious misrepresentations of rap music in cinema, part two: Warren Beatty raps!

2000: Brown graduate MC Paul Barman’s debut EP, It’s Very Stimulating, gets called “the whitest hip-hop record ever made” by the Times. “Nerdcore” rappers like mc chris and MC Lars would follow in his footsteps.

—Spike Lee’s satire Bamboozled features the Mau Maus, a rap crew led by Big Blak Africa (played by Mos Def) and featuring a token white rapper, 1/16th Blak (played by 3rd Bass’s MC Serch).

—Profane Brooklyn rapper Necro releases his official full-length debut, I Need Drugs.

2001: Everlast engages Eminem in the first-ever mainstream all-white beef. He is promptly destroyed.

—Timbaland gets his own down-South Eminem, Bubba Sparxxx.

2002: Eminem signs 50 Cent.


Early Aughts: Former Roots keyboardist and Dr. Dre protégé Scott Storch, a Canadian Jew, becomes one of the most consistent hit-makers in the biz. He's spent the years since blowing through $30 million in cocaine and cars.

—Token white guys begin popping up in legitimate rap crews: Sean Wigs (Ghostface’s Theodore Unit), Lil Wyte (Three Six Mafia), Remedy (Wu-Tang’s Killa Beez).

2003: Eminem’s “Lose Yourself,” from the 8 Mile soundtrack, becomes the first rap song to win Best Song Oscar.

—Da Ali G Show comes Stateside.

— Bling Bling dies.

2004: The Streets, a.k.a. lily-white Brit Mike Skinner, releases A Grand Don’t Come for Free, one of the best-ever white-rap albums.

2005: Sign of the times: Houston rapper Paul Wall releases his major-label debut, The People’s Champ, and for the most part reviewers gloss over the fact that he is white in favor of the fact that his album is not very good.

—On his MTV2 show, Andy Milonakis raps, eats cereal with Lil Jon.

—WWE superstar John Cena releases his debut album, You Can’t See Me.

—"Mr. Pibbs and Red Vines equals crazy delicious."

2006: Hasidic Jewish dancehall-reggae rapper Matisyahu crosses over with Youth.

—“PopoZao”! K-Fed raps.

2007: With Eminem’s self-imposed exile putting the sting partially back into the white-rapper punch line, VH1 airs reality contest The (White) Rapper Show, hosted by MC Serch.

2009: Asher Roth, the inevitable result of hip-hop’s long-ago invasion of the suburbs, breaks out with “I Love College.” While displaying traces of early Beastie Boys, Roth is more or less a unique case: the first mainstream rapper to successfully flaunt his well-adjusted, traditionally white upbringing. Also, Eminem returns, and the world waits with bated breath for Joaquin Phoenix’s debut.

Okay, now who’d we forget?


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thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
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41. ""
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the Bomb Squad produced those cats.


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44. "RE: Back to topic-whites in hip hop a history *swipe*"
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damn near 75% of the MC's in this history of white hip hop sucked major ass.








  

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46. "what % of blach hip hop artists suck?"
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>damn near 75% of the MC's in this history of white hip hop
>sucked major ass.

if u were excluding artists that suck from hip hop there would only be a handful of artists

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54. "eyedea (rip) winning the blaze battle an scribble jam"
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Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

  

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51. "we can retire then term "white rapper" when retire "black president""
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52. "ignorance shouldnt beget ignorance"
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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
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forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
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53. "I completely agreed with the sentiment of this topic"
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until you said this.

Now I'm like "ehhhhh."

But really. Somebody's gotta go first.

  

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58. "You Make A Good Point"
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I agree.


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55. "cage's "depart from me" and sage fracis' "li(f)e" made me REALLY realize"
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that "this isn't the Bronx in the late 70's anymore".

there were probably other albums prior to that that really really really don't draw on that classic hip-hop...or anything resembling even the slimmest notion of what "hip-hop" is besides dope rapping. but those two hammered that notion into my head.

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56. "how can US hiphop ignore race when US society at large revolves around r..."
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E.g. Peep the race/ethnicity section in the census. Historically the country was built on it, and it is actively perpetuated by the govt to this day

  

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57. "Could it not be argued that Blacks are the indigenous peoples of hiphop?"
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United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples:

www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/DRIPS_en.pdf

  

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59. "sure, if people who are white stop rapping."
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If you're white you're white it's not a bad word.

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60. "in a perfect world"
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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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