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"Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT"


  

          

Dead or alive. There's nothing he can do which will tarnish his legacy. What is that legacy? Peep:

Criminal Minded
Released: March 3, 1987
Billboard 200 chart position: -
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #73
Singles: "South Bronx", "The Bridge Is Over"

By All Means Necessary
Released: May 31, 1988
Billboard 200 chart position: #75
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #18
RIAA Certification: Gold
Singles: "Stop the Violence", "My Philosophy" & "I'm Still #1"

Ghetto Music: The Blueprint of Hip Hop
Released: June 28, 1989
Billboard 200 chart position: #36
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #7
RIAA Certification: Gold
Singles: "You Must Learn", "Why Is That?" & "Jack Of Spades"

Edutainment
Released: July 17, 1990
Billboard 200 chart position: #32
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #9
RIAA Certification: Gold
Singles: "Love's Gonna Get'Cha"

Live Hardcore Worldwide
Released: March 12, 1991
Billboard 200 chart position: #115
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #25
Singles:

Sex and Violence
Released: February 25, 1992
Billboard 200 chart position: #42
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #20
Singles: "We In There", "Duck Down" & "13 And Good"

Return of the Boom Bap
Released: September 28, 1993
Billboard 200 chart position: #35
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #5
Singles: "Outta Here"/"I Can't Wake Up", "Sound of da Police"

KRS-One
Released: October 10, 1995
Billboard 200 chart position: #19
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #2
Singles: "MC's Act Like They Don't Know"/"Represent the Real Hip Hop", "Rappaz R. N. Dainja"/"Ah Yeah"

I Got Next
Released: May 20, 1997
Billboard 200 chart position: #3
R&B/Hip-Hop chart position: #2
RIAA Certification: Gold
Singles: "Heartbeat"/"A Friend", "Step into a World (Rapture's Delight)", "Cant Stop, Won't Stop"/"The MC"

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Count that motherfuckers. NINE ALBUMS IN TEN YEARS. And guess what... all them shits are unquestionably good with more than half being classics. There isn't a motherfucker dead or alive that can top that. PERIOD!!

Now I'm not going to defend what comes after that. You can shit on it all you like, but you simply cannot tarnish that legacy.

Even more, any MC worth a shit on the mic should have studied ALL of them bitches as the finest example of lyrical consistency over a ten year period.

And you know what's crazy about him, that none of the so-called conscious rappers ever seem to get, he would drop it heavy on you with the knowledge, but do it while smiling in your face because he knew he was a better MC than you!!!

Yeah jumping PM Dawn for street cred was kinda lackluster, especially considering he didn't need the street cred having grown up on the street. Goddamnit, that's another reason. He wasn't some drama school kid, or working class kid posing as a hustler, the nigga was bonafide homeless and fucking did that shit.

You can try to disagree with me if you want, but that'd be a big mistake.

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Edutainment is Epic...Sex and Violence is UNDERRATED
Mar 31st 2011
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RE: Sex and Violence is UNDERRATED <---- VERY.
Mar 31st 2011
3
my favorite from KRS, period. n/m
Mar 31st 2011
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RE: Edutainment is Epic...Sex and Violence is UNDERRATED
Apr 03rd 2011
152
I sat on my hands with a similar post in my head... LOL
Mar 31st 2011
2
yep...never hear me dissing the blastmaster
Mar 31st 2011
4
FUCK I FORGOT TO MENTION THE LIVE SHOW!!!
Mar 31st 2011
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      even when shit fucks up AND
Mar 31st 2011
55
How's the joint with him and Showbiz?
Mar 31st 2011
5
hov and too short beg to differ
Mar 31st 2011
7
Neither have 9 albums that fuck with Kris
Mar 31st 2011
9
LOL. that's absurd.
Mar 31st 2011
10
      the Blueprint 2 killed Jay's chances...
Apr 04th 2011
159
this guy said too fucking short LMAO
Mar 31st 2011
14
just cuz short dog ain't your cup of tea, don't mean he ain't
Mar 31st 2011
16
insane clown posse
Mar 31st 2011
20
and they have no impact. $hort does
Mar 31st 2011
25
      $hort's impact is definitely bigger
Mar 31st 2011
27
           RE: $hort's impact is definitely bigger
Mar 31st 2011
50
short and krs are both on level to me
Mar 31st 2011
22
shit Born to Mack through Album Number Ten is banging
Mar 31st 2011
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      They were on the same label, too.
Mar 31st 2011
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           RE: They were on the same label, too.
Mar 31st 2011
49
                RE: They were on the same label, too.
Mar 31st 2011
65
I love Short but c'mon, he's dependable like AC/DC was for rock
Mar 31st 2011
35
      dependable and consistent are underrated
Mar 31st 2011
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           agreed but KRS was dependable/consistent for a decade when he/Short
Mar 31st 2011
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                I just want to say that your avatar
Apr 02nd 2011
127
                     the clip is priceless, lil man had it comin:
Apr 02nd 2011
132
best live mc by far
Mar 31st 2011
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disagree 110%
Mar 31st 2011
78
really?
Apr 04th 2011
171
He's is as entertaining as a Sunday morning episode of Meet The Press
Apr 01st 2011
92
lothe correct answer is The Camel.
Mar 31st 2011
11
Must suck to be so wrong
Mar 31st 2011
13
      Must suck to fan such an over-hyped, hypocritical douchebag
Mar 31st 2011
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           Let me guess... Kris kicked you out the temple
Mar 31st 2011
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                actually, i addressed his music, not his person.
Mar 31st 2011
39
                     I stopped reading at "every KRS album is forgettable"
Mar 31st 2011
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                          lol, you're such a group-think sheep it's pathetic.
Mar 31st 2011
44
                               I'm here to entertain you
Mar 31st 2011
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                               should i tell you he does, just to appease you?
Mar 31st 2011
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                                    in truth..."the every album is forgettable"
Apr 01st 2011
109
                                         *looks at your name, looks at your avy*
Apr 01st 2011
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                               you said forgettable though
Apr 02nd 2011
122
                                    who cares if you can ride with my description?
Apr 03rd 2011
136
                                    as my opinions are mine.
Apr 03rd 2011
150
                                    RE: I agree with this.
Apr 03rd 2011
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I can't fuck with sex & violence at all
Mar 31st 2011
12
Say Gal? Ruff Ruff? Build and Destroy? Poisonous Products?
Mar 31st 2011
15
      RE: Say Gal? Ruff Ruff? Build and Destroy? Poisonous Products?
Mar 31st 2011
24
           I feel you
Mar 31st 2011
32
           Quest's revisit post on Sex & Violence from a few years back was fun:
Mar 31st 2011
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                Whew. Good thing I was in there to big up that album
Mar 31st 2011
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                     lmao,his interview game was top-notch back then, the Cube line slayed me
Apr 01st 2011
87
                          The Muslim thing? Yeah, that was funny.
Apr 01st 2011
91
                               Y'all ever read the interview Kenny Parker did a few years ago?
Apr 01st 2011
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                               found it... (LINK)
Apr 01st 2011
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                                    y'all coulda found it in post #31, that is one of my favorite interviews...
Apr 01st 2011
100
                               RE: The Muslim thing? Yeah, that was funny.
Apr 01st 2011
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if u came out in the golden age, u should have some classics
Mar 31st 2011
17
it's an unbelievably solid run.
Mar 31st 2011
21
christian bs? hold up...
Apr 02nd 2011
119
loL@including chart positions. might as well open the sells #'s
Mar 31st 2011
23
Artists like KRS paved the way for...
Mar 31st 2011
28
KRS had 3 Gold albums before Jay had a career
Mar 31st 2011
38
      meanwhile, HKL sold more than all krs albums combined sold.
Mar 31st 2011
41
           Meanwhile: Criminal Minded, Blueprint, S&V, Live >>> HKL
Mar 31st 2011
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                hardly, and that's saying something because half of hnk is garbage
Mar 31st 2011
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                     Pathetic.
Mar 31st 2011
54
                          i just really don;t care for krs.
Mar 31st 2011
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                               Without KRS there is no bigger picture.
Mar 31st 2011
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                                    i'm just gonna light that steaming pile of manure on fire.
Mar 31st 2011
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                                         RE: i'm just gonna light that steaming pile of manure on fire.
Mar 31st 2011
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                                              huh?
Mar 31st 2011
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                                                   RE: huh?
Apr 01st 2011
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                                                        you either have a standard or you don't. come with better material.
Apr 03rd 2011
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                                                             lol
Apr 03rd 2011
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                                                                  RE: lol
Apr 03rd 2011
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PLUS he never got a nose job with that gold record money
Mar 31st 2011
26
I never understood the hate Edutainment got
Mar 31st 2011
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7 Dee Jays is STILL fresh
Mar 31st 2011
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people looked at the title and was like...
Mar 31st 2011
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co-sign, pretty much what I've said for years most recently in this post...
Mar 31st 2011
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Missed this. LMAO!
Apr 01st 2011
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he's def a contendor
Mar 31st 2011
36
That's my pick but I definitely can understand the argument for Jay also
Mar 31st 2011
47
J-A-Y. know why?
Mar 31st 2011
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Now let's talk....
Mar 31st 2011
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RE: Now let's talk....
Mar 31st 2011
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i think it depends if you're a golden-era purist or not.
Mar 31st 2011
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thing is, i think of hip hop in terms of the sum of it's parts.
Mar 31st 2011
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Hmm.
Mar 31st 2011
61
you can't have your cake and eat it too with this debate
Mar 31st 2011
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      Ok.
Mar 31st 2011
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Jay is lyrically the opposite of KRS
Mar 31st 2011
81
RE: Jay is lyrically the opposite of KRS
Mar 31st 2011
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      how are you this pissy and invested to ride against him?
Mar 31st 2011
84
           RE: how are you this pissy and invested to ride against him?
Apr 01st 2011
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                yeah there's no crying in this post
Apr 01st 2011
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LOL
Apr 02nd 2011
131
      sorry, i'm not a member of the late 80's guys are goat suck off club
Apr 03rd 2011
137
           which is EXACTLY why you're wrong.
Apr 03rd 2011
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                sure, to the 80's rapper suck off club.
Apr 04th 2011
162
fuck it, here's what I was gonna post... I'll throw up the Youtubes late...
Mar 31st 2011
60
*Poses next to this post in a B-Boy stance*
Mar 31st 2011
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^^^^ Does not accept the POO POO ^^^^
Mar 31st 2011
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Yes Indeed(c)Lawrence Krishna Parker
Mar 31st 2011
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this my friends was a Lesson.
Mar 31st 2011
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RE: fuck it, here's what I was gonna post... I'll throw up the Youtubes ...
Apr 01st 2011
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^POWAFUL IMPAK!^
Apr 01st 2011
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Well said Doc.
Apr 01st 2011
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Rappaz R N Danja was freestyled wasn't it? sounded like it had to be
Apr 01st 2011
102
imma swipe this whole shit and post it on my tumblr
Apr 01st 2011
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RE: fuck it, here's what I was gonna post... I'll throw up the Youtubes ...
Apr 03rd 2011
153
Addendum (Youtube)
Mar 31st 2011
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i'm gonna go and check every krs album, all the way through.
Mar 31st 2011
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edutainment is a foundational album for me and hip-hop n/m
Mar 31st 2011
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Yeah KRS is right up there for me
Mar 31st 2011
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Let me see what I can to this thread.
Mar 31st 2011
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I Agree With This, KRS-One (Boogie Down Productions) Is King
Apr 01st 2011
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No argument from me.
Apr 01st 2011
90
it's been true for 15 years at least
Apr 01st 2011
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you know, 'Necessary' (the closer to 'By All Means Necessary')
Apr 01st 2011
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A lookalike gun
Apr 01st 2011
104
Can I just say how hard Return of the Boom Bap is?
Apr 01st 2011
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RE: Can I just say how hard Return of the Boom Bap is?
Apr 01st 2011
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RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT
Apr 01st 2011
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& Kris no slouch on production
Apr 01st 2011
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KRS is and has always been wack, soz.
Apr 01st 2011
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^^^Sucka From Down Unda
Apr 01st 2011
112
25 Overlooked Post 2000 KRS ONE Songs
Apr 01st 2011
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      'No Wack DJs' is my shit!
Apr 02nd 2011
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      RE: 'No Wack DJs' is my shit!
Apr 02nd 2011
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      that 'Rider Freestyle' is fucking raw, love that shit
Apr 02nd 2011
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      thanks for posting these links, my 2000s KRS knowledge is weak
Apr 04th 2011
161
kindly stop being so fucking embarrassing, cheers.
Apr 03rd 2011
140
I don't think he's the most influential but he may still be the GOAT
Apr 01st 2011
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RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT
Apr 01st 2011
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RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT
Apr 02nd 2011
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Best of his era and among the best of all time
Apr 02nd 2011
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What do you mean by this?
Apr 02nd 2011
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      it's self explanitory
Apr 03rd 2011
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      I'm just poking
Apr 03rd 2011
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is this even QUESTIONABLE?
Apr 02nd 2011
120
I heard "Like A Throttle" on sattelite today
Apr 02nd 2011
121
"You come into the place you can't LOOK in my face
Apr 02nd 2011
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yeah it was Ra for a min, Nas is my fave, but KRS is the GOAT
Apr 02nd 2011
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No disagreements here
Apr 02nd 2011
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I consider KRS the best of all time...
Apr 02nd 2011
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don't have a short list now for favorite KRS cuts but 'The MC' is on it
Apr 02nd 2011
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'The MC' is one of may favs
Apr 03rd 2011
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AINT NO GAT DAM BODY FUCKIN WITH KRIS PARKER...
Apr 03rd 2011
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KRS kicked the most ass out of anyone on Premier tracks
Apr 03rd 2011
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Out for Fame is my shit!
Apr 03rd 2011
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who else could have pulled these rappers together besides KRS?
Apr 03rd 2011
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he's top 5
Apr 03rd 2011
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Jay Z>KRS
Apr 03rd 2011
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your response is unfounded
Apr 03rd 2011
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JAY IS THE BEST
Apr 03rd 2011
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Jay came out in the 80s, yet wasn't top 5 til the 2000s
Apr 05th 2011
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      Jay's debut came out in '96 & was Top 10 in the Blaze alltime list by 99
Apr 05th 2011
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RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT
Apr 03rd 2011
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RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT
Apr 03rd 2011
155
BLACK COP....
Apr 04th 2011
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i can't stop laughing. the more i listen, the further he drops
Apr 04th 2011
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Is it the political messages you have a problem with?
Apr 04th 2011
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      huh? why would that be the case?
Apr 04th 2011
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           Stop with this dated shit...
Apr 04th 2011
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           it damn sure sounds dated to ME.....so stop telling me it's not.
Apr 04th 2011
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                RE: it damn sure sounds dated to ME.....so stop telling me it's not.
Apr 04th 2011
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           RE: huh? why would that be the case?
Apr 04th 2011
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Davey D - The Greatest of All-time: KRS-One vs Jay-Z
Apr 04th 2011
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KRS is the Greatest imo
Apr 05th 2011
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NIGGA I KNOW IT AINT NOBODY IN HERE SAYIN JAYZ BETTER THAN KRS
Apr 05th 2011
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How is he not?
Apr 05th 2011
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Record Playa
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1. "Edutainment is Epic...Sex and Violence is UNDERRATED"
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One Way feat Al Hudson
So Afraid It's Over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmuq2ttuxpw

  

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3. "RE: Sex and Violence is UNDERRATED <---- VERY."
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I think it's one of BDP's finest hours.

  

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37. "my favorite from KRS, period. n/m"
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152. "RE: Edutainment is Epic...Sex and Violence is UNDERRATED"
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>One Way feat Al Hudson
>So Afraid It's Over
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmuq2ttuxpw

Sex & Violence is one of those albums I had to sit with for a minute..."Build & Destroy" was inanely brutal...lol...KRS did not care about record sales on that joint...He just came with the heat...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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2. "I sat on my hands with a similar post in my head... LOL"
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never got around to it, because it needed a bunch of Youtubes to point some things out. I'll be back.

  

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4. "yep...never hear me dissing the blastmaster"
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i can't lie, i dont buy many of his post 2000 albums but when i hear them i still think thy are jammin...plus if youve never seen the man live you have no idea what a hiphop show was meant to be...

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6. "FUCK I FORGOT TO MENTION THE LIVE SHOW!!!"
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Goddman... Motherfuker is untouchable. The only cat that can tand on stage by himself and rock for two hours straight no problems.
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55. "even when shit fucks up AND"
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he loses his beat or sound. i seen this happen to him twice. once the beat wouldnt play so he grabbed the other mic for someone to beat box and killed shit. the other time the mic went dead he asked the DJ to cut the beat, projected his voice and killed shit again. both times this happened he did this for 15 minutes. He is the master

  

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5. "How's the joint with him and Showbiz?"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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7. "hov and too short beg to differ"
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...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...melle mel

  

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9. "Neither have 9 albums that fuck with Kris"
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10. "LOL. that's absurd. "
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each his own though.

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“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

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159. "the Blueprint 2 killed Jay's chances..."
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otherwise Jay is neck and neck with Kris..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z#Discography

In my opinion...none of them are fucking with the roots in terms of longevity and consistency..

in terms of dropping dope album after dope album

KRS's run lasted from 86-97

Jigga's run lasted from 96-06

The Roots run so far is from 95-2010...8 albums

thats 15 years...not as much output...but considering how artist change with the years...they have aged like wine...

  

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14. "this guy said too fucking short LMAO"
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...longevity is one thing

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16. "just cuz short dog ain't your cup of tea, don't mean he ain't"
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got a solid fan base or output
maybe his rap style don't move you
maybe his production don't move you
maybe his subject matter don't move you
i can dig all that
same with jay-z

...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...melle mel

  

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20. "insane clown posse"
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has a solid fan base, a lot of output over the course of probably 20 years now,
and their own rap style

  

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25. "and they have no impact. $hort does"
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27. "$hort's impact is definitely bigger"
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i bet ICP has a bigger fanbase, culty tho it be

  

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50. "RE: $hort's impact is definitely bigger"
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i agree with that. i don't think $hort is doing too many big shows nowadays

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22. "short and krs are both on level to me"
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krs just fancies himself "smart", as do his generally pompous followers. they're two sides of the same coin to me and i find myself bored by both of them.

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18. "shit Born to Mack through Album Number Ten is banging"
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No, he's nowhere near the mc that KRS is but his first run of albums are fucking dope. I know most people here don't like him due to subject matter and his delivery though

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29. "They were on the same label, too."
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Crazy.

  

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49. "RE: They were on the same label, too."
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very crazy. Jive was gettin' it in during that era

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65. "RE: They were on the same label, too."
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>very crazy. Jive was gettin' it in during that era

Yup, Kool Moe Dee, Tribe, & seemingly every Philly-related rapper (Schooly D, Steady B, Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince) were on that label in the late 80's/early 90's.

  

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35. "I love Short but c'mon, he's dependable like AC/DC was for rock"
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you know what you're gonna get & they don't mix it up the formula with any bullshit.

However, neither has really displayed quite enough to be on the short list for GOAT.

KRS displayed more styles/flows over the first side of one tape than Short has in his career.

I'll put KRS as 1, Ra was kinda like a 1A but I also wouldn't have any issue with anyone putting Hov at the top.

There's more than enough for a case to be made.

But Short? He's a legend for sure.

Just not quite on the level in terms of the total package of emceeing to be in the GOAT convo.

  

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42. " dependable and consistent are underrated"
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krs one was iffy at times
as he got more educated and preachy
at least with short
you knew you was gonna get some bass, some game
and some funk each rip
can't be mad at that
he stayed in his lane

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46. "agreed but KRS was dependable/consistent for a decade when he/Short"
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shared a label.

I give Short props for finding his lane & working it to perfection.

But there's a reason why nobody in '87/88 was proclaiming him to be in the mix as the best rapper going & why his longevity is the only thing to really cite for his cause after all these years.

Too Short himself wouldn't even consider himself the best MC ever or even want that title, his whole career is based on that not even being a real ambition of his.

He's highly respected but never feared as a rapper.

  

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127. "I just want to say that your avatar"
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is ill. That dude just power bombed that kid like Big Van Vader.

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132. "the clip is priceless, lil man had it comin:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GgWUFy7We8

  

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8. "best live mc by far"
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''i went from bashful to asshole to international''- CdoubleO

  

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78. "disagree 110%"
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ive seen him 3 times.

and hes always annoyed the shit out of me.

he just talks, and freestyles.



i go to your live show to see you rap your songs. not to see you rap generic off-the-tops and tell me about hip-hop history.


idk. love KRS. but ive seen dozens of rappers i prefer live.

  

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171. "really?"
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I mean I'd say you caught an off-night but you caught him 3 times. There are few I'd rather see than him...probably just the Roots. I'm really surprised by this, to each their own.

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92. "He's is as entertaining as a Sunday morning episode of Meet The Press"
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Only more biased views

  

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11. "lothe correct answer is The Camel. "
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-Sig-

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13. "Must suck to be so wrong"
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Album for album. Match up 9 with what I posted. At most Jay will get three.
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19. "Must suck to fan such an over-hyped, hypocritical douchebag"
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album for album? really? EVERY krs album is forgettable.

anyhow, you have your guy, i have my guym, and we can argue all day while nobody changes their mind or conceds anything because we each had our reasons before this post took place.

krs simply doesn't do it for me on any level, never has, never will. i respect his contributions and the fact that heads reeeeeally love him and all but i am never, ever compelled to listen to a cookie monster...erm... krs one song, let alone endure an entire album.

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34. "Let me guess... Kris kicked you out the temple"
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It's quite easy to shit on KRS the person, but his work on the mic is undeniable. We're not going to get anywhere with this, so I'll just leave it at that.

  

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39. "actually, i addressed his music, not his person. "
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i took a jab at the person in the header, going tit for tat with you and your smug "must suck to be wrong" header. but my post actually addressed the music he makes that bores me so much.

>It's quite easy to shit on KRS the person, but his work on
>the mic is undeniable.

it is, actually. it really is.

>We're not going to get anywhere with
>this, so I'll just leave it at that.

actually, the post as a whole wasn't going anywhere unless someone cosigned you. wanna know why? read the last line of your post.

"You can try to disagree with me if you want, but that'd be a big mistake."

and i already noted this would go nowhere, in my post that you obviously didn't read.

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40. "I stopped reading at "every KRS album is forgettable""
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I'd like to see you get one cosign of that sentiment. Just one.
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44. "lol, you're such a group-think sheep it's pathetic. "
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fortunately for me, i'm not the kind of guy who needs to be validated by someone else's agreement to be comfortable with my own perspective on something.

oh nobody agrees? damn, guess i need to change my opinion.

the best part of this post is watching how much of an asshole you are simply because i don't share the man crush on krs one.

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48. "I'm here to entertain you"
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Though I really haven't been an asshole. You have a preference I have a preference. I'm willing to go objective with it, I'm guessing you're not though so we can keep throwing darts to keep everyone entertained.

If you seriously think that KRS has no listenable material though... c'mon. I don't like Jay but even I can give it up for what he's done. You don't seem to be able to do that. *shrug*
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52. "should i tell you he does, just to appease you? "
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>Though I really haven't been an asshole.

yeah, you've been pretty smug.

>preference I have a preference. I'm willing to go objective
>with it, I'm guessing you're not though so we can keep
>throwing darts to keep everyone entertained.

shrugs. whatevers clever.

>If you seriously think that KRS has no listenable material
>though... c'mon.

well, i mean, do you want me to change the way my ears percieve sound? it's not that i want to not like his material, i just don't like his material and to be honest he's kinda corny.

I don't like Jay but even I can give it up
>for what he's done. You don't seem to be able to do that.
>*shrug*

yes, i can. i respect what he's done, i recoginze how others feel about him, and i've said as much... what with you're arrogant "i stopped reading at...." (and you say your not being an asshole, lol..... oookkeeyyyyyy). statements, i guess you missed that.

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109. "in truth..."the every album is forgettable" "
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line is some of the dumbest shit ever written on the site

i mean...criminal minded only started gangsta rap and has about 5-6 certifiable CLASSIC hip hop joints

smfh

  

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111. "*looks at your name, looks at your avy* "
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LOL!

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122. "you said forgettable though"
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I just can't ride with that description. Respect 100% your decision to not like the man or his music, but you just can't say the word hip-hop with out citing one KRS song. That's gotta be a law somewhere.

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136. "who cares if you can ride with my description? "
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>I just can't ride with that description.

shrug. i don't form my opinions based on whether or not i expect someone else agrees. it's always great when someone does, but uh... my opinions are *my* opinions.

Respect 100% your
>decision to not like the man or his music, but you just can't
>say the word hip-hop with out citing one KRS song. That's
>gotta be a law somewhere.

put it this way: you could erase him from the history books with minimal impact in the big picture. in fact, 99.9 percent of musicians could be erased, and music wouldn't miss a beat. people love their heroes and all but it's retarded when people think shit wouldn't even exist without certain people, and that's the platform krs is being elevated to in this thread. shit might be different, certain influences don't happen or whatever, but NOBODY outside of maybe herc is THAT vital to hip hop. someone else always comes in to fill the void.

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150. "as my opinions are mine."
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I didn't say that to discredit you. Just giving my thoughts on the matter. We can agreed to disagree amicably.

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138. "RE: I agree with this."
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I'm as skeptical as the most hardened cynic about KRS, and yet, I still have Criminal Minded in my collection.

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12. "I can't fuck with sex & violence at all"
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I don't care what quest or nobody else says about it being underrated. I just bought it to complete the collection. The other eight albums can't be questioned by anyone. Even though I got next was the weaker of those eight it still had undeniable moments. His catalog is definitely better than any of the other greats. Jay is a close second IMO

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15. "Say Gal? Ruff Ruff? Build and Destroy? Poisonous Products?"
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One Way feat Al Hudson
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24. "RE: Say Gal? Ruff Ruff? Build and Destroy? Poisonous Products?"
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KRS is always on point with the rhymes but the production bored me to death. Especially with all the other dope shit that was out in 92. Just didn't stack up well IMO

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32. "I feel you"
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73. "Quest's revisit post on Sex & Violence from a few years back was fun:"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=116505&mesg_id=116505&listing_type=search

  

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79. "Whew. Good thing I was in there to big up that album"
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I love that shit. That's pure BDP. Hard, sometimes goofy-ass beats, KRS talking MAD shit, and just saying "Eat Da Poo Poo" to the masses who were on his back.

"Blabbering fucking fools"... LOL, mrhood75 really nailed it. I was like, "damn, KRS" when I heard that line.

LOL -- that link to the Destroy and Build article is CRAZY. I don't know why I missed it, but KRS was calling out names in that shit.

  

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87. "lmao,his interview game was top-notch back then, the Cube line slayed me"
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>LOL -- that link to the Destroy and Build article is CRAZY. I
>don't know why I missed it, but KRS was calling out names in
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91. "The Muslim thing? Yeah, that was funny."
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It makes a lot of the lyrics on SEX & VIOLENCE make a whole lot more sense, reading all that he had to say about those people who were taking swipes.

  

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96. "Y'all ever read the interview Kenny Parker did a few years ago?"
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Basically he says that the "Destroy and Build" article nearly destroyed their own careers and almost got them blackballed by the industry. He also said that X-Clan had heard "Build and Destroy" before it dropped, and were so shook that they came strapped to the "peace talks" because they were convinced KRS was going to set it off. He also said that these peace talks happened even before the album dropped.

Oh, and there's top notch stuff about the infamous T-Money birthday party/PM Dawn incident.

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97. "found it... (LINK)"
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>Basically he says that the "Destroy and Build" article nearly
>destroyed their own careers and almost got them blackballed by
>the industry. He also said that X-Clan had heard "Build and
>Destroy" before it dropped, and were so shook that they came
>strapped to the "peace talks" because they were convinced KRS
>was going to set it off. He also said that these peace talks
>happened even before the album dropped.
>
>Oh, and there's top notch stuff about the infamous T-Money
>birthday party/PM Dawn incident.

http://www.unkut.com/2006/09/the-kenny-parker-show-part-1/

and LOL @ his account vs. that of NYO ... I mean Kool Kim's.

  

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100. "y'all coulda found it in post #31, that is one of my favorite interviews..."
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>>Basically he says that the "Destroy and Build" article
>nearly
>>destroyed their own careers and almost got them blackballed
>by
>>the industry. He also said that X-Clan had heard "Build and
>>Destroy" before it dropped, and were so shook that they came
>>strapped to the "peace talks" because they were convinced
>KRS
>>was going to set it off. He also said that these peace talks
>>happened even before the album dropped.
>>
>>Oh, and there's top notch stuff about the infamous T-Money
>>birthday party/PM Dawn incident.
>
>http://www.unkut.com/2006/09/the-kenny-parker-show-part-1/
>
>and LOL @ his account vs. that of NYO ... I mean Kool Kim's.

  

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99. "RE: The Muslim thing? Yeah, that was funny."
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>It makes a lot of the lyrics on SEX & VIOLENCE make a whole
>lot more sense, reading all that he had to say about those
>people who were taking swipes.

I was thinking more the 'I'll give Ice Cube a little more leeway, because Ice Cube appears to not be a sucker'.

  

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17. "if u came out in the golden age, u should have some classics"
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if you came out in the 90s, your shit is barely classic
86-89, that's classic hip hop years
if you wasn't rappin' then, you prolly don't have no classics
in my eyes

you may have some dope lps
but classic?
to me, classic requires time
and for people to say instant classic
just say that shit is dope
but it ain't classic yet

...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...melle mel

  

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21. "it's an unbelievably solid run."
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my fav BDP album is still Ghetto Music though.

when he started the christian BS, he lost me. his live show is DOPE though.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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119. "christian bs? hold up..."
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you're like the fifth person i've heard this from in like a year...

clue me in...did I totally miss something here???

Get Out the Room
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Some of y'all need this in your life: http://www.psychology.com

  

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23. "loL@including chart positions. might as well open the sells #'s"
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while your at it.

except, there are too many people that destroy him in that area, if we're factoring that into the equation.

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28. "Artists like KRS paved the way for..."
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...your defacto GOAT Jay-Z, who's done nothing but dickrode other pioneers' styles all the way to the bank and fame.

Don't get me wrong, Jay-Z has had a great career and is a good artist, but KRS-One was a pioneer who was changing music from the ground up, and still hitting relatively high on the Billboard pop charts EVERY YEAR. Those chart figures are impressive, because until the "I Got Next" album, KRS' music was completely uncompromising.

Jay-Z's music has NEVER been uncompromising.

There was a time when hip hop music was a part of the counter culture. Remember that.

  

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38. "KRS had 3 Gold albums before Jay had a career"
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And accomplished them during a time when hip-hop was still a bastard music. And did so without compromising his skills to pander to the masses.

Here let me prepare your next come back for you. You're absolutely right
Beyonce >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms. Melody
________
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41. "meanwhile, HKL sold more than all krs albums combined sold. "
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>And accomplished them during a time when hip-hop was still a
>bastard music. And did so without compromising his skills to
>pander to the masses.

and that's an accomplishment indeed. but going gold and doing 5 mil are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different any way you slice it.

far as your smug, dickheaded little "lemme guess your comeback" bullshit remark, beyonce is hot garbage to me and i've said so on here i dunno how many times. what a retarded, baseless comment to make, made solely in the name of being an asshole because i don't agree that krs is goat.

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43. "Meanwhile: Criminal Minded, Blueprint, S&V, Live >>> HKL"
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I ran out of room in the subject line or I would have included more. Jay-Z can sit at the top of the pops with his platinum plaques and token wife, but in the back of his mind he'll always know "don't fuck with Kris."

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45. "hardly, and that's saying something because half of hnk is garbage"
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meanwhile the top five tracks on hkl>>>>>> anything in the krs catalog.

and that's your real issue: you hate success. you take the smarmy approach with the pop/plat comments and act like jay was hammer or some shit.

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54. "Pathetic."
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>meanwhile the top five tracks on hkl>>>>>> anything in the
>krs catalog.

  

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59. "i just really don;t care for krs. "
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that's besides the point though; GOAT is jay and there isn't another realistic alternative if you actually take the bigger picture into account.

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72. "Without KRS there is no bigger picture."
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The entire "bigger picture" that you refer to exists only because of KRS and his peers during the early years of hip hop. Things like 5 million sales, affiliations with major producers, etc, etc, were not a part of the hip hop world in the early years because they hadn't been created prior to KRS-One.

That's all you need to acknowledge.

As for your 5 songs on HKL being better than KRS' whole catalog, GTFOHWTBS. If you really feel that way, then you have no right to speak in any hip-hop related argument with broad context because you clearly don't know the music. lol

  

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75. "i'm just gonna light that steaming pile of manure on fire. "
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>The entire "bigger picture" that you refer to exists only
>because of KRS and his peers during the early years of hip
>hop. Things like 5 million sales, affiliations with major
>producers, etc, etc, were not a part of the hip hop world in
>the early years because they hadn't been created prior to
>KRS-One.

word? LL and Run DMC didn't happen, eh? there weren't huge crossover stars pre-krs, eh? right. krs one spit on a mic and POOF! sure, pioneers paved the way. right?

why not just take it all back to kool herc and give him all the credit for every hip hop artist that ever lived? your logic dictates that krs doesn't exist without herc, thus herc should get the credit for the hard work krs put in.

right?

while we're at it, lets find out who invented phonograph, because without that herc wouldn't have a set of tables to spin. so the truth is herc doesn't really deserve credit for his own contribution because it wouldn't have been possible without the phonograph.

in fact, lets take it all back to recorded sound because as we all know, hip hop was built on sampling and interpolating pre-existing pieces of music, and without all those other groups it's no hip, so why does anyone in hip hop get any credit whatsoever, since it obviously wouldn't exist without the hard work of the artists who created the music hip hop samples?

yeah, your argument is a slippery ass slope and only works when you make a thousand caveats.

>That's all you need to acknowledge.

oh i haven't acknowledged the hard work of the pioneers that came before jay?

>As for your 5 songs on HKL being better than KRS' whole
>catalog, GTFOHWTBS. If you really feel that way, then you
>have no right to speak in any hip-hop related argument with
>broad context because you clearly don't know the music.

no, i know the music, i just have a different opinion on the same music. problem is, so many of you sheeple are caught up in prevailing group think and falling in line with what everyone else thinks to have an independant perspective on anything. not knowing the music and having a negative opinion on said music are two different things and it's telling when you dismiss someone as unknowledgable simply for failing to "fall in".

basically, someone who disagrees with a widely accepted opinion has no right to speak on the subject. think about this for a second: people with differing tastes shouldn't speak on something unless they agree with everyone else on the subject. that's exactly what you said.

-Sig-

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77. "RE: i'm just gonna light that steaming pile of manure on fire. "
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>>That's all you need to acknowledge.
>
>oh i haven't acknowledged the hard work of the pioneers that
>came before jay?

Man. Your whole outlined argument is based on shit that didn't exist in the Run-DMC / LL Cool J era. Save for versatility, which KRS-One was also one of the very early pioneers. He was doing different types of shit on almost all of the BDP albums.

Name one style Jay-Z pioneered in hip hop. Dude just isn't an innovator, period.

>>As for your 5 songs on HKL being better than KRS' whole
>>catalog, GTFOHWTBS. If you really feel that way, then you
>>have no right to speak in any hip-hop related argument with
>>broad context because you clearly don't know the music.
>
>no, i know the music, i just have a different opinion on the
>same music. problem is, so many of you sheeple are caught up
>in prevailing group think and falling in line with what
>everyone else thinks to have an independant perspective on
>anything. not knowing the music and having a negative opinion
>on said music are two different things and it's telling when
>you dismiss someone as unknowledgable simply for failing to
>"fall in".

Group think is "Reasonable Doubt" being considered one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time based both on Jay's later success and on the fact that he struggled to make full albums that could hold up to its quality standard.

You're speaking in hyperbole with that HKL statement, clearly. You said that every KRS-One album is forgettable, which is hilarious considering the hopelessly-outdated trendy tunes that are littered throughout Jay-Z's entire catalog. Like the vast majority of Jay-Z's catalog, the albums were about half good, but they continue to be revered because they contain a few hits and because Jay-Z's the most famous rapper there is. You're accusing me of Groupthink?

You're gonna sit here and tell me that tracks like "Jigga, my Nigga" or "Can I Get a..." are better than all of KRS-One's classic hits. HAHAHAHAHAHA

>basically, someone who disagrees with a widely accepted
>opinion has no right to speak on the subject. think about this
>for a second: people with differing tastes shouldn't speak on
>something unless they agree with everyone else on the subject.
>that's exactly what you said.

No, people who speak nonsense lose their credibility in an argument. That's what I'm saying, and I'll say it again.

  

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80. "huh? "
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>Name one style Jay-Z pioneered in hip hop. Dude just isn't
>an innovator, period.

where did i argue he was an innovator or a pioneer? add to that, being a pioneer essentially means being first. so again- the knock, with the logic of your argument, basically boils down to starting "he started his career 4-5 years late."

>You're speaking in hyperbole with that HKL statement, clearly.

no, i'm speaking in my own personal opinion. it just doesn't coincide with the way you feel i should think about krs's catalog.

> You said that every KRS-One album is forgettable, which is
>hilarious considering the hopelessly-outdated trendy tunes
>that are littered throughout Jay-Z's entire catalog.

actually... jay's catalog has stood the test of time and are surefire igniters wherever, whenever they're played. you can't say the same for krs, whose catalog stands the test of time to a relatively small amount of people. and you're talking about sounding dated? how you can listen to krs's catalog and fix your lips to call jay hopelessly outdated?

>the vast majority of Jay-Z's catalog, the albums were about
>half good, but they continue to be revered because they
>contain a few hits

not just a few hits, but great album cuts as well. AG was uneven and half MEH but the other half was excellent. nobody calls vol 3 a masterwork, but it does get love off the strength of two songs that will ignite any event with virtually any crowd, anywhere you go.

>You're accusing me of Groupthink?

absolutely; the accusation that i don't know the music, and thus no credibility on the grounds i have an opinion that runs against the grain of generally accepted opinion. great example of group think.

meanwhile, your assumption is that i'm rolling with jay based on fame and fame alone, despite my repeated assertion of the 'overall' factor of his collective attributes. the fact is i'm rollin with jay based on my own personal observations and thoughts, not what everyone else thinks about him.

>You're gonna sit here and tell me that tracks like "Jigga, my
>Nigga" or "Can I Get a..." are better than all of KRS-One's
>classic hits. HAHAHAHAHAHA

yup. HAHAHAHAHAHHA!! not sure what your point is other than you and i don't see eye to eye on this one.

>No, people who speak nonsense lose their credibility in an
>argument.

AGAIN- people who disagree with you on subjective matters lose their credibility. that's what your saying. what this amounts to is credibility=sharing the same viewpoint.

-Sig-

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98. "RE: huh? "
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>AGAIN- people who disagree with you on subjective matters lose
>their credibility. that's what your saying. what this amounts
>to is credibility=sharing the same viewpoint.

When discussing something with you: pretty much, I guess.

Though I'm pleased to see that you're gonna dl all 9 of these albums in the original post. After you listen to those, you can go back to listening to the first five tracks of HKL again in peace.

  

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146. "you either have a standard or you don't. come with better material. "
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>AGAIN- people who disagree with you on subjective matters
>lose
>>their credibility. that's what your saying. what this
>amounts
>>to is credibility=sharing the same viewpoint.
>
>When discussing something with you: pretty much, I guess.

yeah all that shit you just said was worthless to begin with, but this is damn near an admission of it on your part. this is essentially you saying "yeah i really never had a decent argument, i'm just poppin shit".

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151. "lol"
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>>AGAIN- people who disagree with you on subjective matters
>>lose
>>>their credibility. that's what your saying. what this
>>amounts
>>>to is credibility=sharing the same viewpoint.
>>
>>When discussing something with you: pretty much, I guess.
>
>yeah all that shit you just said was worthless to begin with,
>but this is damn near an admission of it on your part. this is
>essentially you saying "yeah i really never had a decent
>argument, i'm just poppin shit".

Credibility does not = sharing the same viewpoint. Your argument is to accuse me of groupthink, which is hilarious considering that the stature of Jay-Z's hits is based mostly on groupthink. Yeah, "money, cash, hoes" is a monumental piece of work, isn't it.

It's ultimately a worthless argument about who's better, but the credibility of your argument for Jay-Z over KRS disintegrated the moment that you said all KRS albums are forgettable and that the first five songs of hkl are better than krs' whole catalog.

"Those who think "Transformers" is a great or even a good film are, may I tactfully suggest, not sufficiently evolved. Film by film, I hope they climb a personal ladder into the realm of better films, until their standards improve." Ebert

  

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157. "RE: lol"
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>>>AGAIN- people who disagree with you on subjective matters
>>>lose
>>>>their credibility. that's what your saying. what this
>>>amounts
>>>>to is credibility=sharing the same viewpoint.
>>>
>>>When discussing something with you: pretty much, I guess.
>>
>>yeah all that shit you just said was worthless to begin
>with,
>>but this is damn near an admission of it on your part. this
>is
>>essentially you saying "yeah i really never had a decent
>>argument, i'm just poppin shit".
>
>Credibility does not = sharing the same viewpoint. Your
>argument is to accuse me of groupthink, which is hilarious
>considering that the stature of Jay-Z's hits is based mostly
>on groupthink. Yeah, "money, cash, hoes" is a monumental
>piece of work, isn't it.
>
>It's ultimately a worthless argument about who's better, but
>the credibility of your argument for Jay-Z over KRS
>disintegrated the moment that you said all KRS albums are
>forgettable and that the first five songs of hkl are better
>than krs' whole catalog.

I guess you can't blame these younger dudes for their opinions. They grew up off of wack shit. Mainstream hip hop has been mediocre for at least 14 years. You could be in your late 20's and have no idea what Hip Hop was like in it's prime. All they know is corporate influenced music. Music made to appeal to multiple demographics, study group type shit. Cold empty music for cold empty people...

  

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26. "PLUS he never got a nose job with that gold record money"
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30. "I never understood the hate Edutainment got"
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That was one of my favorite BDP era albums. Sex and Voilence? Not so much. Reginald Dennis even said 'less KRS on the board, more KRS on the mic' back when The Source was actually credible.

Back to Edutainment. Bangers were on there:

Love's Gonna Get'cha
Black Man In Effect
The Kenny Parker Show
30 Cops or More
Edutainment

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
__________________________

Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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33. "7 Dee Jays is STILL fresh"
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One Way feat Al Hudson
So Afraid It's Over
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62. "people looked at the title and was like... "
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"FOH, Lawrence K. Parker."

didn't even listen to the album.
That's one of KRS/BDP's hardest, most daring records.
I was watching the "Love's Gonna Getcha" video and LOLed at how THAT would NEVER be allowed on MTV today, even WITH its message.

  

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31. "co-sign, pretty much what I've said for years most recently in this post..."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2507009&mesg_id=2507009&listing_type=search#2507052

I wouldn't say the PM Dawn thing was really for 'street cred', it was just some wild shit that KRS did because he wasn't feeling them or Prince Bee's comments about him.

Now it's kind of hard to justify on a rational level but it cracked me up then & still does to this day.

And Kenny Parker's retelling of it in this unkut interview is classic: http://www.unkut.com/2006/09/the-kenny-parker-show-part-1/

  

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105. "Missed this. LMAO!"
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>And Kenny Parker's retelling of it in this unkut interview is
>classic:
>http://www.unkut.com/2006/09/the-kenny-parker-show-part-1/

after reading Kenny's account, it seems like KRS may not have done all that he was claimed to have done, but he didn't care. LOL. Man, that really did kill them. LOL.

  

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36. "he's def a contendor"
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I prefer Rakim but he doesn't have as many albums but the style and songs I dig more.

hell, I prefer Nas but undoubtedly his albums don't hold weight aside from his first 2

KRS tho put in great work in the best era of hiphop so can't be mad at anyone saying he's the G.O.A.T.

  

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47. "That's my pick but I definitely can understand the argument for Jay also"
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Cold Truth
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51. "J-A-Y. know why? "
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he embodies every single quality of what makes a great mc great better than any other. he may not excel at certain things the way some do; but nobody has ever combined every element of what it takes to be a quality MC the way he does.

-he's lyrically sound, for starters. lets just start there, because people really believe he's on that will smith level it seems. he ain't the best/wittiest/most creative lyricist and nobody says he is; he's just very good.

-other side of the coin. who brings hip hop to a pop audience while retaining it's bare essence like hova? nobody. the HITS themselves are impressive, and that list is deep with anthems. there's an art to that balance and he toes the line better than anyone before or since. the ability to appeal across the board DOES count in this equation. anyone who says it doesn't is delusional and/or saying so only because it's a damaging blow to their entry in the discussion.

and before the sardonic, reductionist barbs start flying, i'm saying it's a PART of the equation, not THE equation.

-longevity. say what you want; injuries count. you get clapped after two albums, well, that's what we gotta go with here. jay has 10 albums with what, one dud in the mix? a few of his albums have been pretty uneven, but wow are the good ones good- and the good moments on the uneven albums are great. either way, to stay in the game and do so at such a high level for so long while managing to appeal to the masses despite several sea changes and several young lions who've come and gone during that time in a genre that skews decidely young and new is nothing short of amazing. that in itself deals huge points jays way.

-lest we forget: he kinda makes producers. he broke just blaze and kanye west. he drops heaters with timbo better than any other mc. he works neptunes tracks like no other. he rolled out a no id banger after dude had gone otherwise under the radar for several years.

notice something here? these guys all offer something very different production wise. he's the kind of mc that serves as the ultimate muse for a producer, because there is such a wide array that you can throw at him and he'll KILL it. you can actually be creative. and that's the next point. how many mc's out there have a knack for that the way he does? most have a lane with a variant or two but that's it. he's been a vehicle for introducing new approaches to hip hop faaar more often than he's been the guy leeching trends. TBP turned hip hip on it's head (ghost and the SC team gets due credit as the forbear influence on ye and just, lemme just get that out of the way) and altered the landscape in a massive way. hard knock life didn't sound like anything else in hip hop.

-versatility. what can't he do in hip hop? soul, club, street, introspective, party, dealer, wheeler, whatever.... he can do it all like NO other. no other mc i can think of, save for maybe luda, can run off albums with all those styles and sounds and spit quality bars throughout without sounding like he's "trying". he sounds perfectly natural and comfortable in any lane you put him in- and does it all at an extremely high level. he's the one guy who can truly offer something for everyone on an album. who else can do that? how many mc's can boast of a great live album outside of him and BT (another high rank on the list)?

talk about a resume that speaks for itself.

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53. "Now let's talk...."
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>-he's lyrically sound, for starters. lets just start there,
>because people really believe he's on that will smith level it
>seems. he ain't the best/wittiest/most creative lyricist and
>nobody says he is; he's just very good.

He is sound but he's also quite lazy lyrically at times.

>-other side of the coin. who brings hip hop to a pop audience
>while retaining it's bare essence like hova?

bare essence is pure lyricism. hov admittedly toned down lyrically to accomplish what he did.

>nobody. the HITS
>themselves are impressive, and that list is deep with anthems.

KRS has hits and ANTHEMS on par but because they come from a different era it's difficult to evaluate that on an even playing field.

>there's an art to that balance and he toes the line better
>than anyone before or since. the ability to appeal across the
>board DOES count in this equation.

This is boilind down to the heart of our differences. When I say GOAT and am talking about an MC, I'm talking about an MC. Cross-over appeal is irrelevant to me. I understand it on the GOAT entertainment steeze, but GOAT MC to me is soley about lyrical dominance.

>anyone who says it doesn't
>is delusional and/or saying so only because it's a damaging
>blow to their entry in the discussion.

No it's not a damaging blow at all. People that include it are the same ones that use sales numbers to evaluate skills and talents.

>and before the sardonic, reductionist barbs start flying, i'm
>saying it's a PART of the equation, not THE equation.

At this point though it's the crux of your equation.

>-longevity. say what you want; injuries count. you get clapped
>after two albums, well, that's what we gotta go with here. jay
>has 10 albums with what, one dud in the mix?

LOL @ one dud. I'll give it to you though.

>a few of his
>albums have been pretty uneven, but wow are the good ones
>good- and the good moments on the uneven albums are great.

Quantify it.

>either way, to stay in the game and do so at such a high level
>for so long while managing to appeal to the masses despite
>several sea changes and several young lions who've come and
>gone during that time in a genre that skews decidely young and
>new is nothing short of amazing. that in itself deals huge
>points jays way.

Jay had the benefit of stepping into a hip-hop arena that facilitated such a rise on the level you're talking about. That simply wasn't possible during KRS's stretch. So comparing them is damn near impossible. For the greater part of those KRS years he was ALWAYS strong. Even more the competition around him was strong as well. He held his own during the time that competition for the GOAT was the stiffest.

>-lest we forget: he kinda makes producers. he broke just blaze
>and kanye west. he drops heaters with timbo better than any
>other mc. he works neptunes tracks like no other. he rolled
>out a no id banger after dude had gone otherwise under the
>radar for several years.

*shrug*

> notice something here? these guys all offer something very
>different production wise. he's the kind of mc that serves as
>the ultimate muse for a producer, because there is such a wide
>array that you can throw at him and he'll KILL it.

Wait... KANYE, JUST BLAZE and NO ID are that much different from each other? Really?

It's a moot point but whatever.

>you can
>actually be creative. and that's the next point. how many mc's
>out there have a knack for that the way he does? most have a
>lane with a variant or two but that's it. he's been a vehicle
>for introducing new approaches to hip hop faaar more often
>than he's been the guy leeching trends. TBP turned hip hip on
>it's head (ghost and the SC team gets due credit as the
>forbear influence on ye and just, lemme just get that out of
>the way) and altered the landscape in a massive way. hard
>knock life didn't sound like anything else in hip hop.

It didn't? I'm not even sure what you're arguing here.

>-versatility. what can't he do in hip hop? soul, club, street,
>introspective, party, dealer, wheeler, whatever.... he can do
>it all like NO other.

In the exact same way... don't forget that.

>no other mc i can think of, save for
>maybe luda, can run off albums with all those styles and
>sounds and spit quality bars throughout without sounding like
>he's "trying". he sounds perfectly natural and comfortable in
>any lane you put him in- and does it all at an extremely high
>level.

He sounds the same always. Sometimes its good. Other times, forgettable.

>he's the one guy who can truly offer something for
>everyone on an album.

funny he's never offered anything for me, but i guess you'd say the same of kris.

>who else can do that? how many mc's can
>boast of a great live album outside of him and BT (another
>high rank on the list)?

KRS-ONE.... goddamn man. Live Hardcore is the best live album period.


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Cold Truth
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57. "RE: Now let's talk...."
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>He is sound but he's also quite lazy lyrically at times.

like i said, he ain' the best. i'd say i gave a fair and balanced assessment.

>bare essence is pure lyricism. hov admittedly toned down
>lyrically to accomplish what he did.

like i said-balancing act. the ability to toe that line and nail the best of both worlds. he retained the bare essence of lyricism even after toning it down. he has bars man.

>>nobody. the HITS
>>themselves are impressive, and that list is deep with
>anthems.
>KRS has hits and ANTHEMS on par but because they come from a
>different era it's difficult to evaluate that on an even
>playing field.

in twenty years, people will still go nuts in any club, anywhere, when big pimpin comes on. *anywhere*. krs? erm... you'd get blank stares in a lot of places right TODAY. jays songs will stand the test of time, and on a mass scale to boot. krs is already a relic relegated to under ground circles, and has been for a long time already.

>This is boilind down to the heart of our differences. When I
>say GOAT and am talking about an MC, I'm talking about an MC.
>Cross-over appeal is irrelevant to me. I understand it on the
>GOAT entertainment steeze, but GOAT MC to me is soley about
>lyrical dominance.

yes, i'm talking about an mc too- one that has the ability to rock different types of crowds with seamless ease. jay can show up at a jewish wedding and kill it as easily as he could a dark hole in the wall club occupied by timbs and hoodies as easily as he could a trendy la spot that eats off of the BEPS- and do it with nothing but songs more or less relevant to the audience. krs realistically goes 1 for 3 in that scenario, and that's the point; one guy can simply more more crowds in more ways.

>>anyone who says it doesn't
>>is delusional and/or saying so only because it's a damaging
>>blow to their entry in the discussion.
>No it's not a damaging blow at all. People that include it
>are the same ones that use sales numbers to evaluate skills
>and talents.

it IS damaging. how is it not? personally im not a sales=skills guy, but it is a part of the whole.

>At this point though it's the crux of your equation.

SMH come on, you knew there was a lot more then that. this is splitting hairss.

>LOL @ one dud. I'll give it to you though.

yup, just one, KC. everything else is uneven at worst.

>>a few of his
>>albums have been pretty uneven, but wow are the good ones
>>good- and the good moments on the uneven albums are great.

>Quantify it.

quantify it? hard knock life was the perfect microcosm, and was vol 3. vol 3 had some reeeeeally bad moments but big pimpin and do it again are among his best cuts ever. HKL had the title cut, jigga what/jigga who, money ain't a thing, resevoir dogs, can i get a...... i mean, i shouldn't even even HAVE to quantify that. those are very well known songs. AG split people right down the middle. vol 1 had some great moments as well, and again... it's a little wierd to have to quantify those.

>>either way, to stay in the game and do so at such a high
>level
>>for so long while managing to appeal to the masses despite
>>several sea changes and several young lions who've come and
>>gone during that time in a genre that skews decidely young
>and
>>new is nothing short of amazing. that in itself deals huge
>>points jays way.

>Jay had the benefit of stepping into a hip-hop arena that
>facilitated such a rise on the level you're talking about.

so did a lot of people. people wanna talk about the vaccuum and the era he came in at and all that, but what matters is what you do with what you got. and nobody has maximized their opportunity better than jay.

>That simply wasn't possible during KRS's stretch.

oh word? ll wasn't a massive crossover star and a household name, essentially jay before jay? run dmc wasn't massive? this is just flat out untrue.

>comparing them is damn near impossible.

uh...like i said.

For the greater part
>of those KRS years he was ALWAYS strong. Even more the
>competition around him was strong as well. He held his own
>during the time that competition for the GOAT was the
>stiffest.

well, i mean, 15 years in isn't much history to compete with at the time, so uh.. .yeah.

>>-lest we forget: he kinda makes producers. he broke just
>blaze
>>and kanye west. he drops heaters with timbo better than any
>>other mc. he works neptunes tracks like no other. he rolled
>>out a no id banger after dude had gone otherwise under the
>>radar for several years.

>*shrug*

so.. that's it? shrug? it's not a significant aspect of his career or what?

notice something here? these guys all offer something very
>>different production wise. he's the kind of mc that serves
>as
>>the ultimate muse for a producer, because there is such a
>wide
>>array that you can throw at him and he'll KILL it.
>
>Wait... KANYE, JUST BLAZE and NO ID are that much different
>from each other? Really?

oh, i see you ignored tim and the tunes. and uh... post jb and ye are VERY different, actually. id is the balance of the two. but again, you ignored the other two completely, lol. i just mentioned the big names. rock wilder, rick rock, swizz, i mean come on. he kilt a dre track. he does rnb guest spots in a big way. i mean.... come on. you're just being stubborn at this point

>It's a moot point but whatever.

not at all, you just had a case of selective tunnel vision.

>It didn't? I'm not even sure what you're arguing here.

oh word? there were a million massive hits in hip hop sampling show tunes at the time. i forgot all about those.

>In the exact same way... don't forget that.

right, because psa and give it to me and takeover sunshine and you must love me and empire state are identical.

>He sounds the same always. Sometimes its good. Other times,
>forgettable.

like i said, all those songs are identical, right? right? no difference at all, right? come on. keep it real.

>>he's the one guy who can truly offer something for
>>everyone on an album.
>funny he's never offered anything for me, but i guess you'd
>say the same of kris.

esxcept, you know exactly what i'm saying and you keep trying to sidestep the *fact* that jay can rock any type of track and make any kind of song in hip hop and do it WELL, and krs has what.... two lanes?

you may not LIKE him, but that doesn't detract from the facts that are NOT subjective. throw krs on change clothes or excuse me miss, and throw him on u don't know and takeover. guess which two he'd do well on, and which ones he wouldn't?

>>who else can do that? how many mc's can
>>boast of a great live album outside of him and BT (another
>>high rank on the list)?
>
>KRS-ONE.... goddamn man. Live Hardcore is the best live album
>period.

and ll. i said HOW MANY, not WHO. point being? it's kind of a short list.

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56. "i think it depends if you're a golden-era purist or not."
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if you are (like myself and alot of the posters in here) then KRS-ONE's originality, zany energy, and unmatched skill for rhyming over spare, classic production will do it for you each and every time over Jay because while Jay is a talented rhymer (especially for the new school he comes from) he rarely (and admittedly) rhymes in the same urgent diction that KRS does.

BUT

Jay's accomplishments are more stunning given his admittedly compromise to 'dumb down' and still make quality product. I personally am on the fence about Jay. To be honest he's the last connection to the golden age of modern rappers, at least in the sense of being able to make albums of that aesthetic and command lots of attention. and for that i give him his props, especially for the run of his last few albums. (Black Album, Kingdom Come, American Gangster, and Blueprint 3) It's like he's actually trying as an artist to make quality music first and then make sure it fits the cultural climate instead of gaming the system and making us think that what he said was all that was important.

For as bombastic and smug as his fans can get, KRS is the better MC maybe not in an objective way you would measure an artist, but in the insane, blind way we devote ourselves to our favorite MC's. "My guy is the best and that's that." There's no way inside of that bubble of logic. And for Jay to sell his own skills short and not continue making music of quality relative to his Reasonable Doubt days, he can't be the 'goat MC' based on my admittedly crazy standards.

However, by any rational scale 'Jay won'. He's sold more than anyone, made crossingover seem effortless and un-compromising, he's able to make music on his own terms, and he seems to be at the peak of his abilities this many years in.

If music is what makes hip-hop to you, KRS, is probably your guy. If all the other stuff makes hip-hop, hip-hop to you Jay's your man.

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58. "thing is, i think of hip hop in terms of the sum of it's parts. "
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i look at the whole, the sum total. i wouldn't put jay in my top ten lyricists, for example, because that's a different conversation, however impscvl has more or less reduced this conversation to just that.... but again, it's a different conversation imo.

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61. "Hmm."
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>he embodies every single quality of what makes a great mc
>great better than any other. he may not excel at certain
>things the way some do; but nobody has ever combined every
>element of what it takes to be a quality MC the way he does.

I think just about everything you said about KRS here (and further in the post) also applies to KRS, give or take the era they came to prominence.

while the sales records may not reflect it, KRS did a lot to bring hip-hop to a larger audience (for reasons stated in my own "Colin Powell"-disapproved post) than it had at the time. In particular, he helped to "legitimize" the art in a time where it certainly was not valued as actual music.

With regards to versatility, it is CERTAINLY Jay-Z's strongest suit. I would never criticize him on those regards. He is essentially one of the most malleable MCs that has ever recorded it.

I think one of the main reasons Jay is so shrewd, so versatile with his, beyond his natural talent, is because he is essentially a product of the scene in which KRS and others inhabited (hell, he's only 4 years KRS's junior, which is kind of funny to think about considering how long he's been around, and how popular Jay continues to be). He knows the rules, what it takes to be successful, and as much as he tries to downplay it, is one of the most astute students of the game.

My (and others) only knock on him, is that you rarely get 100% with Jay, he hardly ever goes IN like you know he can. In a quite personal genre, Jay can at times be very detached -- it's a reason why albums like The Blueprint and The Black Album are the ones people tend to praise the most (there's Reasonable Doubt, in a retroactive sense, but that's for totally different reasons) ... because in between the hits, Jay really did start to go IN, he started to leverage his position as rap tastemaker and opened the door to the man in the booth a little bit.

Of course the beats (well, at least on the Blueprint) were fantastic, but when you're a rapper like Jay, eventually cats start to listen to what you have to say... and when he does, it's pretty damn great. He also has bits of, I don't know what it is... self-effacing tendencies, where he openly wonders why he gets knocked on those grounds, and plays it off as having more business sense than anything else. When you bring in how the music business has changed since Jay came into prominence, this is a valid claim, from an artistic viewpoint, it's not really cool to -say- all that shit. Something about his work, for as versatile and comfortable Jay seems to be through most of it, speaks to a certain lane of "safe". You know what you're going to get most of the time. For many, this is enough, just as long as it doesn't offend your ears, but in recent years, this can certainly do as such. (A good example of this is on The Black Album, where he opted to use WACK-ass Eminem beats instead of ...Kanye West or someone else, on one of his more introspective joints, and you KNOW that was a business decision.)

Overall, the two are way, way more similar on a meta-level than they are dissimilar, IMO.

  

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66. "you can't have your cake and eat it too with this debate"
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>while the sales records may not reflect it, KRS did a lot to
>bring hip-hop to a larger audience (for reasons stated in my
>own "Colin Powell"-disapproved post) than it had at the time.
>In particular, he helped to "legitimize" the art in a time
>where it certainly was not valued as actual music.
>I think one of the main reasons Jay is so shrewd, so versatile
>with his, beyond his natural talent, is because he is
>essentially a product of the scene in which KRS and others
>inhabited (hell, he's only 4 years KRS's junior, which is kind
>of funny to think about considering how long he's been around,
>and how popular Jay continues to be). He knows the rules, what
>it takes to be successful, and as much as he tries to downplay
>it, is one of the most astute students of the game.

the BIGGEST factor in this, is the era in which they hit the game at. this essentially bestows the credit for jays accomplishments on those who came before him. jay gets hits in 84, lets say. what then? he's not a "product of" in that case, he's a "pioneer". we can play "if it weren't for ________, than __________ wouldn't be ________" all day, and it IS valid to discuss influence and impact of those who came before. in fact, i fervently made that case for SC and TBP; so i see that side of things.

thing is, i acknowledge the forbear but the credit for *the work* still lies in the man who does the work. so saying that jay was successful due to the groundwork laid by krs and his generation is kinda... irrelevant because we can trace that line back to the caveman days if you really want to be honest with that argument. everything any man does can always be traced back in some way to a mnan who preceded him, in any walk of life.

he maximized his opportunity when his time came. krs gets credit for his contributions, but that credit stops when it comes to another man making the most of his ability. to say otherwise, imo, is nothing more than deflection.

Something about his work,
>for as versatile and comfortable Jay seems to be through most
>of it, speaks to a certain lane of "safe". You know what
>you're going to get most of the time.

i don't see where i've every expected anything outside teh box of krs's lane, and jay has far more lanes.

>Overall, the two are way, way more similar on a meta-level
>than they are dissimilar, IMO.

well, for all the credit bestowed upon the prior generation paving the way, i'd say far too little credit has been given to jay for taking that baton and running with it-and elevating it-when the vaccum hit. it was everyones for the taking, and a few heads stepped up, but nobody maintained the momentum beyond a couple albums. jay is fresh off a monster.

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68. "Ok."
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>the BIGGEST factor in this, is the era in which they hit the
>game at. this essentially bestows the credit for jays
>accomplishments on those who came before him. jay gets hits in
>84, lets say. what then? he's not a "product of" in that case,
>he's a "pioneer". we can play "if it weren't for ________,
>than __________ wouldn't be ________" all day, and it IS valid
>to discuss influence and impact of those who came before. in
>fact, i fervently made that case for SC and TBP; so i see that
>side of things.

This is fair enough. As is this below...


>thing is, i acknowledge the forbear but the credit for *the
>work* still lies in the man who does the work. so saying that
>jay was successful due to the groundwork laid by krs and his
>generation is kinda... irrelevant because we can trace that
>line back to the caveman days if you really want to be honest
>with that argument. everything any man does can always be
>traced back in some way to a mnan who preceded him, in any
>walk of life.
>
>he maximized his opportunity when his time came. krs gets
>credit for his contributions, but that credit stops when it
>comes to another man making the most of his ability. to say
>otherwise, imo, is nothing more than deflection.

True. My intent was not to reduce him to a "product" and diminish the actual work he had done himself, on that basis. Rather, it's, as Phoenix above said, the level of sincerity attached to his work, that isn't particularly clear in a good deal of it, and a self-admitted "dumbing down" on the grounds that it doesn't "sell". That is the only real criticism I have of Jay on the grounds of his work. Not every artist is going to put out 100% of their potential 100% of the time -- and surely, that's true for some of my favorite artists (Herbie Hancock especially, he was often playing from his back pocket in the Laswell years), but there's something unsettling to actually hear that admitted on record, seriously, and not for LULZ on some back-door bragging (at least that's not how I interpreted that admission on record).

i don't see where i've every expected anything outside teh box
>of krs's lane, and jay has far more lanes.

if you use what he said in "Criminal Minded" (the album) as the base, he's done this several times over in his career, especially from a thematic POV:

"My Philosophy" (even in the video, breaking it up by just "speaking" his lyrics than letting the video play)

aforementioned, releasing a live album of his work up until that point in LIVE HARDCORE WORLDWIDE

his '93 and '95 solo albums in general. If you hear some of the rappers who came out that early in the '80s trying to rap on 1990s beats (in particular, RUN DMC comes to mind), they're lost in the shuffle, trying to keep up. Seems common place for KRS, but a rapper coming out in 1986 still coming out with a hot record in 1993 with different, outside producers handling most of the work wasn't a common event.

"Just To Prove A Point", not much rapping on this song to tell the truth, but KRS didn't sound like he was out of place here either.

>>Overall, the two are way, way more similar on a meta-level
>>than they are dissimilar, IMO.

>well, for all the credit bestowed upon the prior generation
>paving the way, i'd say far too little credit has been given
>to jay for taking that baton and running with it-and elevating
>it-when the vaccum hit. it was everyones for the taking, and a
>few heads stepped up, but nobody maintained the momentum
>beyond a couple albums. jay is fresh off a monster.

I think this is largely, despite reminding us how long he's held us down, Jay downplays this side of his game often. Though, that's one of the reasons I've always given him a "pass". Like I've said, they're more similar than they are dissimilar. KRS can rhyme on any beat given him (problem is, he's been on a lot of rubbish outside of his "golden period"), as can Jay (who's been on a good deal of rubbish himself, but it's not really highlighted).

Like KRS, Jay didn't start stumbling when new styles (beats and rhymes) came out. He studied them until he was able to latch-on and move on. To his credit, I wouldn't really fault anyone who said he was one of the greats if not GOAT, for that reason alone. There are others out there who try to copy what Jay has done throughout his career and failed big time.

  

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81. "Jay is lyrically the opposite of KRS"
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Jay is all about putting words together and making it sound cool without really saying anything.

KRS is all about making a statement. KRS drops more knowledge on any of the albums in the OP than Jay has in his entire career. That's why I think, ultimately, KRS' music will be more timeless than Jay's - styles change, music changes, but messages and content are forever.

  

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83. "RE: Jay is lyrically the opposite of KRS"
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>Jay is all about putting words together and making it sound
>cool without really saying anything.
>
>KRS is all about making a statement. KRS drops more knowledge
>on any of the albums in the OP than Jay has in his entire
>career. That's why I think, ultimately, KRS' music will be
>more timeless than Jay's - styles change, music changes, but
>messages and content are forever.


Damn near every Jay-Z album is forgetable, especially from Vol. 1 til now. The dude's flow was (in his prime) nice and he's very comfortable on the mic but his music lacks soul and heart. He's extremely cold and thus boring to me. He'll drop 1 semi thoughtful song per LP and his dick riding, pop rap loving fans act like it's some earth moving shit.

To me, the difference between someone like KRS-One & someone like Jay-Z is, KRS makes rap music with Hip Hop fans in mind. Jay-Z makes rap music for people who otherwise don't give a shit about Hip Hop. Very different approach & outcome.

It blows me that people ride so hard for a dude who rhymes about money, drugs and clothes 90% of the time. You're so moved by that, that you get all pissy and defend him? That's weird to me. How are you THAT invested?

  

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84. "how are you this pissy and invested to ride against him? "
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>moved by that, that you get all pissy and defend him? That's
>weird to me. How are you THAT invested?

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86. "RE: how are you this pissy and invested to ride against him? "
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>>moved by that, that you get all pissy and defend him? That's
>>weird to me. How are you THAT invested?

OK...I made 1 post, meanwhile a quarter of the posts in this thread are you crying because someone had the nerve to complement an artist other than Jay-Z. Like it's blasphemy.

  

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95. "yeah there's no crying in this post"
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>OK...I made 1 post, meanwhile a quarter of the posts in this
>thread are you crying because someone had the nerve to
>complement an artist other than Jay-Z. Like it's blasphemy.

yeah that's not at all what's going down. i stated someone else was goat, debates ensued, but no crying
no anger, none of that

IN FACT

the emotional reactions came from people who were upset that i'm not swinging from the krs vine the way you are.

yeah, you're just flat out wrong about everything. you can't even make a decent assessment of the thread itself, let alone the artists in question.

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131. "LOL"
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words words words

FOH.

  

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137. "sorry, i'm not a member of the late 80's guys are goat suck off club"
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139. "which is EXACTLY why you're wrong."
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162. "sure, to the 80's rapper suck off club. "
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60. "fuck it, here's what I was gonna post... I'll throw up the Youtubes late..."
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Not too long ago, I heard (and quickly corrected) SPM when he lumped BDP in with Tribe and De La Soul in a grouping that was essentially "boho but don't test them" -- but he was indirectly implying that there was little "street" and/or "gangsta" about BDP, because of the music that essentially is KRS's legacy; and let's face it, when you mention KRS to someone who has a vague grasp of who he is, they probably are more apt to mention his seemingly dogmatic grasp on "hip-hop" (more on that later), promotion of hip-hop as a culture, the PM Dawn incident, and... his iconic nose.

Judging by some of the lyrics KRS has said over the years, some of his "big" songs, the "boho but don't test him" charge is certainly true. However (as you've noted in the original post, thankfully), KRS came directly from the streets -- LITERALLY. There was an authenticity about his music that was not the result of endless posturing, or bragging, it simply was there. Reflected in the style of the beats he chose to craft and rhyme over, reflected in his lyrics... it was innate.

When one listens to a jazz artist, for example, with an innate, virtuoso grasp of his or her chosen instrument, a thought that might come to mind is: "that person was born to play the piano"," that person was born to play the guitar", and so forth. KRS-One was put on this earth to make rap music. Some say he took it more serious than most that came before him, and for that reason alone, he generated instant respect. EVEN from his detractors!! This dude would routinely call out some of the most popular crews in New York City on record, call out their names, run them down in a line, in an era where that was essentially taboo. And when he was throwing those 'blimnals... he wasn't afraid to go at the top dogs (RUN DMC were frequent targets of this, but from a "new jack" at the point? Bold move. Ultramagnetic gets the credit for that, but KRS was doing that all over Criminal Minded).

In the mid-'80s, a seismic stylistic shift was taking hold in hip-hop. The beats were getting a little more brutal. The way people rhymed was changing, and KRS was one of the major players in this regard. While rappers either shouted, or "announced" their way through their rhymes, rappers like KRS, Slick Rick, Rakim, and the like were challenging that standard. KRS's voice, distinctive to this day, was an interesting change of pace: on record, KRS sounded as if he were live on stage, yet, speaking in a conversational, direct manner to the listener. It was almost like hearing Theo Huxtable get funky... but knowing that in the back of your mind, Theo was going to kick your ass severely if you stepped out of line.

With Scott LaRock (and uncredited, the aforementioned Ultramagnetic Crew) helping him out, KRS brought a new sound to New York's hip-hop scene. One of the first to infuse dancehall styling in his rhymes (most notably on "9mm Goes Bang"), KRS really brought out a side of New York City that had, to that point, not really been highlighted much in hip-hop's recorded product. The beats, in line with the mid-'80s hard hitting, brutal "ghetto blaster" style popularized by LL Cool J and RUN DMC, added a new dimension, with samples of James Brown, and other soul records for extra punch. Thematically, KRS turned "the sound of the streets" from a fad, to a fixture. That is to say, he was one of the first rappers to not just do "socially conscious" music, in a "CNN of the Streets" sort of way, but to make it part of his musical mission (esp. after the murder of Scott LaRock). Yet, despite this, you would hear KRS spit lyrics about drinking Heinekens and driving Alfa Romeos, like it was no thing.

KRS is oft-criticized for what is perceived as inconsistency in his message, but after reviewing his "classic" records from CRIMINAL MINDED to I GOT NEXT, apart from the religious ping-pong, there is not much variation in what he says. He's oft criticized for being preachy, but not even on EDUTAINMENT does he even suggest a path for his listeners to follow, but to draw one's own conclusion and to question not only what others say, but what he says.

On the subject of EDUTAINMENT, one of the most highly-received BDP albums: by this point KRS had really made himself a hip-hop icon, doing lectures (as evidenced in the skits between songs), the "Self-Destruction" song (someone, link up the video where LL looked butt-struck as ever, left out of the fun), and high-profile appearances and name checks outside of BDP records (one of the most interesting to me, was Big Daddy Kane's endorsement, considering what KRS once had to say about his friends in the Juice Crew). KRS took some really bold swipes, in an age of Afrocentricity, pushing a more humanist viewpoint. I think he might have been one of the only rappers to address "Black-on-other" racism. On the album following, it was hilarious to hear KRS take a diarrhea-fied POO POO on rappers who adopted NGE beliefs to sell records and seem more "Black". And though one may find it kind of "boho" nowadays, who ELSE was doing a song like "Beef"? The way KRS snuck his/BDP's catchphrase in that song is one of the funniest moments of his career.

LIVE HARDCORE WORLDWIDE was unique in that it may have been one of the first truly "live" hip-hop records. It was also a good place to hear some of the classic BDP records... and note, even here, KRS doesn't sound any different live than he does in the studio. It was a point he stressed numerous times on his records, but it's one of the few "live" records in hip-hop actually worth listening to. The same applies to KRS's live show. Even when he's recycling the most predictable lyrics ever, his show is still very engaging to this day, 25 years after the fact.

Though, KRS has struggled to bring a completely focused product after his initial 11 year run due to various factors, what he had contributed to hip-hop's canon in those 11 years, is certainly more than enough reason to call him one of the greatest ever. Considering his competition in the era, it's even more of a staggering feat. I will say of KRS, that his work is anything but predictable -- even those who are expecting him to be more Wynton Marsalis about his music (i.e. a die-hard purist) may be surprised to find that he's more of a Miles Davis... dedicated to pushing boundaries more than he is holding down a standard.

If you ain't familiar... get familiar. There's a reason why that era is romanticized so much, and KRS is one of the main reasons.

  

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63. "*Poses next to this post in a B-Boy stance*"
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Damn, excellent breakdown Dr. Claw.

  

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64. "^^^^ Does not accept the POO POO ^^^^"
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Classic response man... thanks for bringing the level head to my brash post.
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67. "Yes Indeed(c)Lawrence Krishna Parker"
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beautifully stated, Doc, thanks for that.

  

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69. "this my friends was a Lesson."
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thanks Doc for this. very nice and well worded post.

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85. "RE: fuck it, here's what I was gonna post... I'll throw up the Youtubes ..."
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88. "^POWAFUL IMPAK!^"
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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94. "Well said Doc."
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Rappaz R N Dainja is a personal favorite.

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102. "Rappaz R N Danja was freestyled wasn't it? sounded like it had to be"
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>Rappaz R N Dainja is a personal favorite.

I sometimes wonder if having more thought-out verses (like the ones in 'MCs Act Like They Dont Know') would have helped or hindered that song's feel.

It's a classic though regardless, I remember seeing him come out to that at the 9:30 Club in DC in the late 90's.

When that beat came on & KRS came storming out hopping up & down for two full minutes back-n-forth as Kenny cut the record up while the whole front part of the crowd was damn near moshing in the first 20 rows of people.

  

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101. "imma swipe this whole shit and post it on my tumblr"
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KU-Fucn-DOS!!!

  

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153. "RE: fuck it, here's what I was gonna post... I'll throw up the Youtubes ..."
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excellent points I could not agree more.

  

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70. "Addendum (Youtube)"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-alEhlHSzk
"The Bridge Is Over" -- KRS sending his F-U to Marley Marl (someone with whom he worked years later) and company. One of the funniest songs, and videos to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYY6xwwfCE&feature=related
"9mm Goes Bang"
Bear in mind when this was released, this song is kinda hard to imagine KRS making in present day, but one of the reasons why his music caught fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrNF9GOMUs
"My Philosophy"
Weird how the music hardly plays in the first verse of this song in the video -- I wonder whose call that was, the video director or KRS's. Anyway, it was a demonstration of how little variation between his normal speaking voice and his rapping voice was. This was a trend that would carry on down the line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDd7UbJmdmw&feature=related
"You Must Learn" (Live From The Caucus Mountains Remix)
One of the most live songs KRS ever recorded. Both on the LP and in this remix, this best exemplifies KRS's "live in the studio" style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxyYP_bS_6s&feature=related
"Self-Destruction"
This song, more than any other, most likely earned KRS his "positive rapper" tag (though "Jack of Spades" was right there thematically). This was actually kind of cool to get all these rappers, regardless of their style together on one record. This got a good deal of radio play in the New Jack Swing era.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQAssqqYQ-E
"Love's Gonna Getcha"
One of BDP's hardest songs ever and illest videos. In the Aughts, all this imagery, and a good deal of the lyrics would have been blanked out, and deleted. A great example of KRS's open-ended dialogues, and also ill story telling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmutXdqksIY
"Criminal Minded (Live)"
From LIVE HARDCORE WORLDWIDE. This was one of the first times you ever heard the potential of a live hip-hop performance in the same sort of context that one might hear live jazz recordings -- improvisation, turn of voice, things you don't even get on the studio version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDyYHIDJ1CQ
"Duck Down"
One of my favorite BDP songs ever, period. In an era when the beats of rap music were getting a little extra "pop" sheen whilst remaining hardcore lyrically, KRS slaps you in the face with this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrpYJF96UQQ
"13 and Good"
Interesting beat for the time, not to mention the story KRS tells here is on some bugged-out shit. Not really what you'd expect, even though it might bring "Love's Gonna Getcha" to mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WXly1b80Kg&feature=related
"We In There"
One of the most LOL songs KRS ever did... the beat is some goofy-ass shit that makes me think more of M.O.P., but a good example of why KRS was feared as a rapper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VRZq3J0uz4
"Sound of da Police"
the "WOOP WOOP" was one of the most bitten lines (ask Pete Rock). Faced with criticism over the low-budget sounds of his album prior, KRS-One attacked with a more modern sound, that made everyone stand up and pay attention. At this point, a couple of KRS's "classmates" had taken to either disappearing from the scene altogether, or finding it hard to make records in the '90s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fZh0fWhfBY
"Rappers R.N. Dainja"
One of my favorite KRS songs ever, beyond "Duck Down", on an album where KRS steps further into the contemporary New York sound. Of course, when you mention this song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnI8JEW7Ty4
"MCs Act Like They Don't Know"
This joint got a good amount of radio play in its time (and of course, who can forget Mona Lisa jacking the beat for an R&B song). Another one of the funnier songs KRS-One ever did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcUIyscx8r0
"Step Into A World (Rapper's Delight)"
KRS at one of his livest moments, and the purest expression of his "brand", the lead single of I GOT NEXT, which overall, had more of a party vibe as far as his records were concerned, with a few exceptions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtX_IWhprPk
"A Friend"
...this being one of them. KRS managed to maintain a "fun" feeling to much of his songs, which is one of the reasons why I think he's still on the minds of those who have been exposed to him.

  

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71. "i'm gonna go and check every krs album, all the way through. "
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probably dl them this weekend and spend all next week listening.

i'm gonna put my opinion on hold and re-expose myself. i've tried in the past, but maybe i'm missing something.

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74. "edutainment is a foundational album for me and hip-hop n/m"
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76. "Yeah KRS is right up there for me"
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82. "Let me see what I can to this thread."
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Here's what I wrote in a review of his "Meta-Historical" album with True Master:

"Its sometimes easy to forget how rarified the air KRS-One occupies in hip-hop. The mans recorded career stretches close to 25 years. Over that near quarter century, hes released a little over 20 albums. Thats remarkable for an artist in any genre, and close to unheard of in hip-hop. Even if hes technically only half-way there to meeting his own definition of an old school artist, its safe to say that as a hip-hop artist, KRS-One has done it all...

...Of course, when youre an MC thats done it all, your audience gets pretty familiar with what you have to offer."

It's really amazing to think he much he's really done in his career. He's probably one of the few hip-hop artists you can't look at and say, "Well, he never reached his full potential." In an era where most artists play it as safe as possible, he's recorded all types of tracks using all types of styles with all types of artists. Most hip-hop artists barely get one act in their careers; KRS is on his third or fourth, depending on how you figure it.

I don't think KRS is the GOAT, but I will say that his run from "Criminal Minded" to "I Got Next" is pretty damn unfuckwitable by any hip-hop artist. Really can't think of anyone who can top that run in terms of quantity with quality. And I will say that buys him a lot of slack. Slack enough to cover most of his post-"I Got Next" shaky moments.

Speaking as someone who bought/owns most of his post-1997 output, I will say it has it's moments. "Sneak Attack" and "KRs-Styles" were both solid. "Keep Right" had a few tracks, and there was some interesting stuff on "Meta-Historical."

Of course, by now, he's been making not-great music longer than he's been making great music. But the great still stands tall about the not-so-great, IMHO. He might not be the greatest to ever do it, but he's got nothing to be ashamed of.

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89. "I Agree With This, KRS-One (Boogie Down Productions) Is King"
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He has had a ton of great albums back in the day, as soon as he left Jive Records it's like his legacy kind of went downhill, but overall he always had a few good songs on each album afterwards but never like his early stuff where 75% of the album was worth listening to over & over agian; even the live album was dope, not many rap artists would or could pull something like that off back then and make it worth jamming to.

I know many will say Jay-Z or Snoop but both artists have spotty releases and only two or three albums that were good while the rest is not coming close to any of KRS-One's Jive Records releases.

The only rap artists I can say had a great four to five album run is Busta Rhymes (the Warner Brothers releases), ATCQ, & Gang Starr.


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& your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine
trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak

  

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103. "you know, 'Necessary' (the closer to 'By All Means Necessary')"
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is funny as hell to me... the sound effects in the BG
even though what KRS is saying isn't really, the music is

  

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106. "Can I just say how hard Return of the Boom Bap is?"
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To be honest, I was starting to lose hope in KRS after S&V. Just wasn't that good to me (though Duck Down, Build and Destroy and Ruff Ruff were bangers).

The first time I heard 'Outta Here' in a radio mix (back when DJ mixes on the radio were atually, you know, good)? Maaan.... my neck was killing me. I dare anyone to hear that bassline and not start bobbing your head. KRS had some bangin beats to rhyme over and sounded focused again. And anything that starts with a Premier scratch track is destined for greatness.



On an aside, anybody else noticed Showbiz pretty much did the same track for Anger in the Nation and Sound Of The Police?

*edit* actually, let me double check that credit. I could have sworn Biz did Anger In The Nation, but I very well may be getting my linear notes mixed up in my old age

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
__________________________

Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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113. "RE: Can I just say how hard Return of the Boom Bap is?"
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The boogie-down boogie-down boogie-down boogie-down boogie-down produck

with the buck buck BUCK BUCK BUCK BUCK BUCK!

  

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107. "RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT"
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Krs the artist is amazing on many levels. First, as a grown man I can relate to Krs because I do not like the gimmick candy shyt.

Krs is the great because I can relate to him and subject matter. Yes, the last ten years has been questionable but his impact on contribution is greater than your favorite artist...he might be "preachy" but we all pretty much hate cops and we all want to be better at what we do so we learn.

I love Africans, but HATE the N-gger in YOU!!!

  

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108. "& Kris no slouch on production "
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Mad Lion Feat KRS One Double Trouble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPZ91ETkNrc&feature=related


steady b & krs one serious remix
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112. "^^^Sucka From Down Unda"
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114. "25 Overlooked Post 2000 KRS ONE Songs"
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I thought this thread would be a good time to revisit a post I made on here last year. It wasn't just his first 10 years that was dope.

Unfortunately, since many seem to dismiss much of KRS ONE's post 2000
work I thought it would be a good idea to hip people to some of the
great songs he's done in the last decade. I think the main reason
people ignore this output is because it is not on a major label and is
thus simply not as accessible. KRS often says he made the conscious
decision to go more underground after leaving Jive following I Got
Next. So here are 25 songs out of many more I could have chosen that I
think some people may have overlooked from arguably the best MC ever.

Also, before I start I wanted to address the talk about him saying
crazy and hypocritical things. I think some people get annoyed or
confused by this because they forget that he studies and sees himself
as a philosopher. And as a fellow philosophy major myself I know that
it bothers some people that we're always questioning answers and
searching for truth and therefore evolving in thought and changing our
minds. It's more a dealing with the grey areas in life and not just
the black and white where there is one answer or one truth. Doing a
quick Google search of "why are philosophers annoying" I came up with
these 2 well articulated reasons:

1. Philosophers are much more interested in questions than answers, at
least as a group. This drives students and others crazy.
2. Nonetheless, philosophers think that a priori reasoning gives them
all sorts of answers on topics that others use empirical methods to
answer. They are sort of connected, since we dont- I suspect often
care whether the answers are right. Its the theory construction that
is the fun.

I think that sums up a huge reason why KRS can rub some people the
wrong way. On the other hand people who love philosophy like me find
him to be brilliant and in my opinion by far the best modern day
philosopher we have, for proof check out his amazing book Ruminations
which I reviewed here:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R1TM7CESW4TOFL/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Now getting to the songs, I'll go in pretty much chronological order.

1) No Wack DJ's - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plWP3jAsltU
-this was done while KRS was an A&R at Reprise but came out on the
Digital album, anyways I think it was extremely catchy and could have
even been a commercial hit with that infectious sample

I'm going to skip "The Sneak Attack" because although it had a lot of
great songs I think it was probably his most widely heard post 2000
material and thus isn't as relevant to this post.

2) Womanology - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJC5UEZ1mww
-from "Prophets vs Profits" which I think was his best album of the
last 10 years, with great production and lyrics, a lot of the songs
also showed up on "The Mix Tape"

3) Problemz - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czHZVF42xY8
-from "Prophets vs Profits"

4) Believe It - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDS_Su-PiHA
-from "Prophets vs Profits"

5) I Remember - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bGCvYVONs
-the last one from "Prophets vs Profits", great Aretha Franklin sample

6) The Conscious Rapper - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9YUJvaw_2A
-Uh oh, here we come to the controversial album "Spiritual Minded", an
album that gets misconstrued and misjudged in my opinion. Many people
thought he was conveying a message on here he really wasn't if you
listen. He doesn't pull a 180 on his previous views on religion as
stated in these lines:

"I know what y'all thinking, KRS-ONE, doing gospel rap,
say word son, word sonny, we don't spit verbs for money,
some of these churches be absurd and funny, everything I
said in the past I still spit that, songs like The Truth, Higher
Level and Why is That, I give back quick facts, but when I
say God created Hip Hop many churches won't admit that"
I have a detailed review of this album here that really delves into
the lyrics which are incredible:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.hip-hop/msg/4a0b4f42f3d2e225?&q=patrick+spiritual+minded

Getting back to this song though here's what I said about it:

KRS is the conscious rapper personified and he uses this track to discuss just how hard that is. "Can you rock for the love of the art, can you drop hit after hit after hit and still don't chart, can
you really stay loyal to God when you're life is full of
strife, plus it always seems so hard, can you handle
the criticism, people holding you up to higher standards
but they don't live em, can you hear these kiddy flows
and laugh at them, but when you spit they calling you
arrogant, you better think about that before you rock
to this, sometimes it's easier to pop the Cris"

7) Goodbye - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3jVGd9kLpc
-also from "Spiritual Minded", from the review:

"A beautiful track, featuring a long forgotten
instrument in hip hop, the saxophone. This is a dedication
to all those who have passed away. "There was a time
when hip hop was on our mind, it wasn't about no crime,
just reality rhymes, if you battled me fine, but in the end
we'd recline, with a bottle of wine, MC's, the original kind"
It's tough to not add more tracks from Spiritual Minded because even
if you're not feeling the beats on some of the songs the album is a
lyrical masterpiece, I urge you to read the quotes from the review or
peep some of these other cuts:

I'll cheat and add a bonus track here:
Tears - One of the best 911 tributes I've heard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW8H4zM4VWA

8) Underground - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCjPIN7pnzM
-from "Kristyles", great Beatminerz production

9) Somebody - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq665DqIOR0
-more Beatminerz production from "Kristyles", they are underrated too
for their outside 90's Duck Down work

10) Gunnin' Em Down - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe9mshgw7ew
-my favourite track from "Kristyles", for the lover of KRS' hardcore
style

Bonus: The Only One - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG__U3DlEdQ
-one of KRS' love songs, maybe the only one

11) Phucked - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVVxGY_7I5k
-from "Keep Right"

12) Everyone Rise - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBFyh48IOqY
-from "Keep Right" featuring L Da Headtoucha

13) I Am There - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsJlKepRXtA
-from the underrated album "Life", I've got a review of it here that
breaks down some of the lyrics:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.hip-hop/msg/f89a7e39db9549db

14) My Life - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr5Wz9Kcl2k
-from "Life", one of KRS' only post 2000 songs that seems to get any
love on here,

-bonus "Life Interlude" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stSmCbxGUxQ
this has some of the best lyrics, check these out:

Life Interlude - This is one of my favourites, too bad it's so short.
The birds are chirping in the background, it reminds me of Happiness
by dead prez. Dope drum break and lots of scratching. I could quote
this whole song, I'll have to stop myself. "With every single breath
that I ingest I am given, a smidgen, to make life changing decisions,
listen, my mission with precision will position our children by the
millions, and start building our culture for the billions, and
trillions of people coming after us, if they doubt they won't be as
fast as us, cuz in our time we kick a new power rhyme, we keep
renewing your mind, because soon you will find, that every single
breath that I breathe, keeps us conscious enough to perceive, and
acheive and you believe, but oxygen comes from the trees, without air
for 4 minutes, forget it, you catchin some Z's, so which is really
conscious, us or nature? maybe the trees wish to elevate the paper,
and maybe this is just a fall, to forget that nature thinks we doing
nothing at all, and this is the way of the world, the world meaning
the conscious nature and the earth that swirls, like Buffalo Girls we
go round the outside, Kris is controversial but Kris never lied, in
the forest, the mountains and the hills I reside, you gotta follow the
purpose you feel inside" Nobody else writes songs like this. And
oops that was pretty much the whole song.

15) Nothin New - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgX8cocDq0
-from "Hip Hop Lives" with Marley Marl, this always suprised me,
people were on Kris all the time about stepping up his production,
then he gets one of the greats Marley on board for a whole album and
it still didn't get much love, here's a review of the album I did
which once again breaks down some of the lyrics:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.hip-hop/msg/167c691252e1dd1b

16) Rising to the Top - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJsi-AwOOs4
-from "Hip Hop Lives", in the vein of Outta Here, telling his musical
autobiography

17) On Top of My Game - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWQHH0Ck7xM
-this didn't make "Hip Hop Lives" for some reason, dope song with a
cool Jay Z sample

18) The Teacha's Back - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKKvqPa0eM
-my favourite track from "Hip Hop Lives", some of that hard hitting
boom bap style

19) Our Soldiers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ypu68LcUg
-from "Adventures in Emceein'", one of the only anti-Iraq war songs
done by a major artist, and it hits

20) Better and Better - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de50LUxQvlQ
-from "Adventures in Emceein'"

21) The Teacha Returns - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qMTmktHdlg
-classic battle rhyme from "Adventures in Emceein"

22) Pick It Up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R70ijK1tXac
-from "Maximum Strength 2008", just your typical hip hop song that
details the history of democracy in detail

23)Think of All the Things- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Wb6vWdWus
-my favourite track from "Survival Skills" featuring Buckshot and
K'Naan

24) Runnin' Away - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YXdrpCfi2c
-from "Survival Skills" featuring Immortal Technique

25) Rider Freestyle - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8AXRNSuyWo
-KRS video with him freestyling over 50 Cent's Rider Part 2, great
track that includes a drop that he got from 50 for his recent Stop the
Violence Movement undertaking
So there you have it, skipped a lot of great songs obviously but if
you've been ignoring KRS for the last 10 years then this should help
catch you up and remind you that he's still got it, don't sleep.
Hopefully some people read this as it took a long ass time to do but
it was definitely worth it if it hips some people to some of these
overlooked gems, thanks for reading.

Patrick

2011 Bonus "Who Da Best" from Back to the LAB - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVy46vyZcoo

"Murda Ya" from Meta-Historical-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac_0bUpBjcA

  

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123. "'No Wack DJs' is my shit!"
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that's a song that really displays what makes KRS great. His shit just seems larger than life and fun.

  

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126. "RE: 'No Wack DJs' is my shit!"
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Yup, I played that song at my wedding a few months ago and it got an amazing reception from everyone, and by everyone I mean mostly middle aged family that wouldn't know KRS from a hole in the wall. Great song.

Patrick

  

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133. "that 'Rider Freestyle' is fucking raw, love that shit"
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161. "thanks for posting these links, my 2000s KRS knowledge is weak"
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I did have Spiritual Minded and Survival Skills, but skipped over everything else.

I was not feeling Spiritual Minded at the time, but I listened to it over the weekend and his lyrics were on point.

The production is still questionable on some cuts, I think he is like Nas or Tupac in that the tracks are not as important as what they're saying.

  

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140. "kindly stop being so fucking embarrassing, cheers."
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115. "I don't think he's the most influential but he may still be the GOAT"
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and I came out of this thread liking "Duck Down" a lot more. Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_yDJT9rGUw#t=0m20s

  

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116. "RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT"
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Krs One has been my all time favorite my entire post 1987 life. he may not always be my current favorite, but he's never far from it.


he has so many styles that he's used over the years, most in which he abandons and moves on from before even totally perfecting, that he's the most exciting MC ever.

pound for pound, vintage Krs, Wu Tang & Mobb Deep give me the most goosebumps. pause if needed.


also, 'Hip Hop Lives', 'Survival Skills', 'Meta-Historical' & now 'Godsville' have all been really enjoyable. well, i was kinda let down by the beats on Godsville surprisingly but maybe it'll grow on me.

  

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117. "RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT"
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'THE GIRLIES IS FREE CUZ THE CRACK COST MONEY!!!'

  

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118. "Best of his era and among the best of all time"
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but only the pseudo intellectual set says GOAT knowing damn well Jay-Z exists.

I'm just having fun talking shit there, obviously, I can see why some would place him GOAT.

I'm 22 years old (way too young to have been there obviously) but when I did some research (Yes Dinosaurs, we have indeed heard your classics) he was among the few that still resonated. Shit songs like "You Must Learn" and "Love's gonna get'cha" blew me away. Unlike a lot of his peers he was kinda versatile (i.e. had technical abilities AND good content).

In my opinion it says something that people who were just born or under 5 years old when you released your classic albums can hear your music and find it as interesting or more interesting then current music.

  

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125. "What do you mean by this?"
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>but only the pseudo intellectual set says GOAT knowing damn
>well Jay-Z exists.

  

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145. "it's self explanitory"
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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149. "I'm just poking"
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fun at the fact that recent KRS one rants aren't really intellectual. They're old-man shit-talking sessions. Stuff the purists and the older set here think is intellectual but any objective outsider would quickly realize isn't remotely smart or witty.

That's not saying he isn't among the smartest dudes to ever touch a mic, just more of an issue concerning old vs young.

  

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120. "is this even QUESTIONABLE?"
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I mean, who's fucking with KRS-One in terms of sheer catalogue and mastery of lyricism, etc.?

Who?

KRS-One was always one of the GOATs for me...

who's touching him now? who could touch him then?

Get Out the Room
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Some of y'all need this in your life: http://www.psychology.com

  

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121. "I heard "Like A Throttle" on sattelite today "
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And damn near lost it. Becuase I don't hear him that often, I tend to forget just how truly dope he is. I will always defend Kris, despite the occasional bitter outburst, and the atrocious decision to go after Nelly, he's a god to me.

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124. ""You come into the place you can't LOOK in my face"
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'Cause the light is bright and I'm towering in height!"

Yep, that song is my shit.

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128. "yeah it was Ra for a min, Nas is my fave, but KRS is the GOAT"
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It's messed up how he's overlooked because he's "positive" in an era where we mainly celebrate excess and negativity, but it's clear that KRS could do that if he needed to.


"...and pardon if it sounds a lil wheezy,
it's not Wayne mothafers, got asthma, it's not easy"

  

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129. "No disagreements here"
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One of my all time favorites. It's funny that in my neigborhood, I was the only one that was down with KRS back in the day. Everyone I knew was a Juice Crew dickrider, they was dope but for real, who had a longer career.

From Criminal Minded to Return Of The Boom Bap, he came out with a album every year.

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130. "I consider KRS the best of all time..."
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the variety of styles he flipped...while still being lyrical in all of them...Dude in his prime couldn't be fukked with.

  

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134. "don't have a short list now for favorite KRS cuts but 'The MC' is on it"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvMvQQVIbzk

Talk about a statement of audio statement of purpose.

  

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144. "'The MC' is one of may favs"
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@GetoutTheroom
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135. "AINT NO GAT DAM BODY FUCKIN WITH KRIS PARKER..."
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EVA

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be about it or be without it

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141. "KRS kicked the most ass out of anyone on Premier tracks"
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Here's some random songs I love (not all Premier) that haven't been mentioned yet

Out for fame
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kRI19XySlQ&feature=fvsr

1 2 Pass it (krs smokes them all on this one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwxNCYqrUwk&feature=related

Mad Izm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV2m36ACzxk

Can't Stop Won't Stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrcNCg7TdcM

R.e.a.l.i.t.y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQRP_gbJJI0

KRS & Marley Marl - Hip Hop Lives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWa4UpajKTc

Higher Level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-vdKiGJM9M&feature=related





  

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142. "Out for Fame is my shit!"
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143. "who else could have pulled these rappers together besides KRS?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0EVN_pXibk
(not Self-Destruction, but the H.E.A.L. joint with LL Cool J AND Big Daddy Kane on the same track?)

in a funny way, I kinda saw posse cuts like this as sort of giving credence to the "exclusive club" that rappers were in at the time

  

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147. "he's top 5"
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maybe battling with busta for slot # 3 after jay-z and posdnuos

  

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148. "Jay Z>KRS"
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I swear, looking at these responses is hilarious! Y'all negroes REALLY think KRS stands a chance next to a Jay catalogue??? You cats are delusional and living in yesteryear. I can see y'all at home now rapping along to all them 80's flows wit your tdk tapes and dusty addidas jumpsuits on.

It's inevitable people. It's like anything. We had never seen anything like Michael and we were sure we never would. But it happened. And like it or not...Jay is the best overall artist hip hop has ever produced, period. At least until someone comes for him. And I'm not such a stan that I won't recognize the shit when it happens. But for now...

"But when I say I'm the best, I don't say that outta my a**," Jay said in an interview. "I say that with all my stats behind me. I put that against anybody. I mean anybody. I really believe that...I believe in a lot of things. I believe that 'SportsCenter' is the best thing on TV. I shouldn't have to prove it. But I do have these stats to prove it. I'm talking about real run. I'm not talking about years off. I'm talking about straight--boom, boom, boom--back to back. We're not talking about heritage acts either. We're not talking about respect what I've done. I'm talking No. 1 10 times. The Beatles is the only one . They got 19, and if I get a surge of creativity, I could make nine albums next year." (XXL Magazine)

"Unequal economics can easily make you some enemies" Cee-Lo

  

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156. "your response is unfounded"
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>I swear, looking at these responses is hilarious! Y'all
>negroes REALLY think KRS stands a chance next to a Jay
>catalogue??? You cats are delusional and living in yesteryear.
>I can see y'all at home now rapping along to all them 80's
>flows wit your tdk tapes and dusty addidas jumpsuits on.
>

Jay-Z' catalogue is, in all honesty, half great, half noodling and pandering
how you think he doesn't have his share of duds is beyond me, in fact they both do
and its wild to me how when anyone bigs up a rapper that came out before the guy on the other side of the argument, it's always the nostalgia angle that gets brought out


>It's inevitable people. It's like anything. We had never seen
>anything like Michael and we were sure we never would. But it
>happened. And like it or not...Jay is the best overall artist
>hip hop has ever produced, period. At least until someone
>comes for him. And I'm not such a stan that I won't recognize
>the shit when it happens. But for now...
>

when did that happen?
I hope you're not talking Kobe, I really do
and as far as Jay is concerned, that point is debatable AT BEST
if you said biggest over the course of a career, I'd agree wholehartedly
but flat out best?
it's nowhere near as clear cut as you think


>"But when I say I'm the best, I don't say that outta my a**,"
>Jay said in an interview. "I say that with all my stats behind
>me. I put that against anybody. I mean anybody. I really
>believe that...I believe in a lot of things. I believe that
>'SportsCenter' is the best thing on TV. I shouldn't have to
>prove it. But I do have these stats to prove it. I'm talking
>about real run. I'm not talking about years off. I'm talking
>about straight--boom, boom, boom--back to back. We're not
>talking about heritage acts either. We're not talking about
>respect what I've done. I'm talking No. 1 10 times.
>The Beatles is the only one . They
>got 19, and if I get a surge of creativity, I could make nine
>albums next year." (XXL Magazine)
>

chart positions dont' go very far to prove how good an album is, especially when a lot of time the chart position is done before the album hits the shelves because its based off units shipped
and even if all those units sold, it only means that more people bought it that week
it could be blank and do the same thing
I'm not saying you can't make the argument, because I think Jay-Z's career has been full of successes that I'm glad he's gotten, but you'll have to do a lot better than what you're doing to make it stick
you can't sit here and say that shit basing it off sales and charts, then say someone else is nostalgic because they're basing their opinion off something else

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158. "JAY IS THE BEST"
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>I swear, looking at these responses is hilarious! Y'all
>negroes REALLY think KRS stands a chance next to a Jay
>catalogue??? You cats are delusional and living in yesteryear.
>I can see y'all at home now rapping along to all them 80's
>flows wit your tdk tapes and dusty addidas jumpsuits on.
>
>It's inevitable people. It's like anything. We had never seen
>anything like Michael and we were sure we never would. But it
>happened. And like it or not...Jay is the best overall artist
>hip hop has ever produced, period. At least until someone
>comes for him. And I'm not such a stan that I won't recognize
>the shit when it happens. But for now...
>
>"But when I say I'm the best, I don't say that outta my a**,"
>Jay said in an interview. "I say that with all my stats behind
>me. I put that against anybody. I mean anybody. I really
>believe that...I believe in a lot of things. I believe that
>'SportsCenter' is the best thing on TV. I shouldn't have to
>prove it. But I do have these stats to prove it. I'm talking
>about real run. I'm not talking about years off. I'm talking
>about straight--boom, boom, boom--back to back. We're not
>talking about heritage acts either. We're not talking about
>respect what I've done. I'm talking No. 1 10 times.
>The Beatles is the only one . They
>got 19, and if I get a surge of creativity, I could make nine
>albums next year." (XXL Magazine)
>
AT BEING A FUCKING BITER...HE'S NOT EVEN A RESPECTED MC IN MY BOOK

SINCE YOU JAY FANS NEED A REFRESHER COURSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqScH2CfYTg

AND YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I GET A BIG CHUCKLE FROM...JAY BASICALLY CALLING HIS FANS DUMB...HE BASICALLY PROVED HIS POINT BY HIS FAN(NATICS)STILL RIDING FOR HIM...SMH WHILE LMAO AT THAT ON

WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON WHY I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING

HOW THE FUCK YOU GOING TO PUT JAY IN A TOP WHATEVER AS AN MC WHEN HE TOLD YOU ON RECORD HE DUMBED DOWN HIS LYRICS

ARE YOU LISTENING?-POS

You slap the nigga(DRAKE) five n he gon moisturize ya palms nahmean!-BIG GHOST NAHMEAN!

  

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175. "Jay came out in the 80s, yet wasn't top 5 til the 2000s"
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AKA when there were actual good rappers in their primes, he was nowhere to be found.

The 80s you got:
KRS
Rakim
Kane
LL
etc.

90s you got:
Big
Nas
Prodigy
Pick your favorite 2 out of the Wu

It wasn't til the 2000s that he started to emerge. There was a post on here a couple of years ago, I think mainly about Little Brother, along the lines of "I don't respect 30+ year-old rappers who didn't do shit during the golden age". Bottom line - when the best were at their best, Jay's shit wasn't even a blip on the radar. Everybody dies or falls off, and suddenly he's getting into the discussion. In America, we don't respect people who take the crown by default - we want people to rip that shit off somebody else's head.

  

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176. "Jay's debut came out in '96 & was Top 10 in the Blaze alltime list by 99"
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Six spots above Nas & slot behind Pac, who was already dead three years by then.

And that was the first mainstream national attempt to assemble a list like that.

People really need to stop with that whole revisionist bullshit like Jay can't be considered great because he wasn't at Big's level for the year or so they were both on record together.

  

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154. "RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT"
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I agree with the poster who posted this.I was having this same discussion the other day.When you think abut styles the reggae influence he brought to hip hop.Classic albums and the live shows he is the GOAT IMOP.I am a huge Jay-z fan as well and he is in the discussion as well.But nobody rocked the mic like Kris.

  

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155. "RE: Not only has KRS EARNED a life time pass, he's the GOAT"
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Coming up in the '80s and early '90, Kris was my favorite MC hands down...

For solo MC's it was always (in order) KRS-1, Rakim, LL, Ice Cube, and Scarface (Ice T was in that group as well)....

The thing with Kris, a point that a lot of folks are making, is he could beat you in so many fuckin' ways...He killed you live onstage; he killed you as a story teller, he killed you as a 'hood nigga, he killed you as a socially conscious MC, and he killed you as a rebel personality...

Most of all, it was crazy how the same dude that was making records in 1986 was still killing it in the mid '90s at a time when Death Row and Bad Boy were going at it and ruling the whole damn hip-hop landscape...Return of the Boom Bap was proof that hip-hop could grow old gracefully and still shit on the new jacks....

Krs-1 = Goat of his era....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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160. "BLACK COP...."
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One Way feat Al Hudson
So Afraid It's Over
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmuq2ttuxpw

  

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163. "i can't stop laughing. the more i listen, the further he drops "
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i take it back

it's not even close. you guys and your 80's mc hard ons are cute though. do you, but uh.... LOL.

this dude doesn't crack my top twenty after the waste of time that's been my day listening to all these mediocre rhymes that aren't on par with those of the generations after. it's nowhere near as smart as you-or him, apparantly- make it out to be. it's surface level smart.

this dude isn't seein three stacks. or nas. or em. or thought. or pharoahe. he ain't even seein royce. he damn sure ain't seeing chuck. or jay. or com.

in fact if the exact same songs with the exact same rhymes from his first four years came out today it would all be MEH to all of you, and you'd all knowck him for being a weak 80's retread.

FACE IT

all the krs hoopla around here is NOTHING more than late 80's romanticizing. it's borderline fetish with y'all. mc'in has elevated big time since then. lyrically krs isn't much better than guru, he just has much more charisma.

i won't front though: i didn't finish. i ended it halfway through the cornball wackness of '100 guns' off edutainment.

double LOL at whatever krs knobslobber said Jay sounded dated. THIS mess is the epitome of 'dated'.

yeah i'm not even gonna entertain the retarded notion that this dude is GOAT of anything past 89, and even then he ain't as nice as his peers.

-Sig-

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164. "Is it the political messages you have a problem with?"
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165. "huh? why would that be the case? "
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i don't care about the message, i rock with all kinds of music message wise. it just doesn't *sound* all that good. you know, aesthetically speaking. it's boring. it's dated. all this talk about his flow and yet it's mostly the same boring 80's flow. YAWN. all that depth? not much more elevated than guru, and that's a pretty low bar.

but do you, i know people have that white knuckle grip on things that were "first".

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166. "Stop with this dated shit..."
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It obviously doesn't sound dated to the people who were there. You could argue that it's because of nostalgia but I don't buy that; I don't see people being nostalgic over Poison or Winger or MC Hammer or Huey Lewis and the news.

Why should young people have the veto on what is "dated" or not? Will you ride for Jay-Z 20 years down the line like people who grew up on KRS do for him?

I'm not saying you won't but until that happens, "dated" don't mean shit.

I don't know how many posts on OKP I read about people who were riding for Ruff Riders in the late 90's-early '00's now saying that they weren't relly good at all. I don't see people doing that with KRS. To me, that's all that matters...

  

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167. "it damn sure sounds dated to ME.....so stop telling me it's not. "
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>It obviously doesn't sound dated to the people who were
>there.

here's the problem with you telling me to stop calling it dated, your statement right there. it's all subjective, right? clearly, because you just told me it's not dated to "people who were there". well.... good for them. so you're telling me that since a certain group doesn't think so, then that means that's the truth. which is absurd. so if you really believe the stance you've taken, telling me to stop calling it dated because some people don't agree is very counterproductive to the point you're trying to make.

>You could argue that it's because of nostalgia but I
>don't buy that; I don't see people being nostalgic over Poison
>or Winger

not here in the lesson, no, but these people exist. i've met them, lol.

>or MC Hammer

the long ass hammer thread we had some time ago says different. people were big upping hammer like crazy. so... this is factually false.

>Why should young people have the veto on what is "dated" or
>not?

who said anything about young people? personally, i'm a bit of a tweener. why can't everyone have their own perspective on things? why can't i express my view on this topic the same as the rest?

i'll tell you why: it runs contrary to the popular, accepted perspective here in the lesson.

>Will you ride for Jay-Z 20 years down the line like
>people who grew up on KRS do for him?

i'll ride for whatever i think is dope, same as anyone, end of story.

>I'm not saying you won't but until that happens, "dated" don't
>mean shit.

no, dated means it sounds date. half of hard knock life sounds incredibly dated. i call a spade a spade. vol 3 has some of the worst songs ever imo, and i posted about it and got ridiculed for that too. i posted that the primo beat on HKL was among primos worst efforts, got the same uproar i get now, so what's the difference?

i also posted that the *other* half of hkl is superb. see, that's what's called "calling a spade a spade". you know, i call it like i see it. jay ain't above reproach even if he is my pick for GOAT.

>I don't know how many posts on OKP I read about people who
>were riding for Ruff Riders in the late 90's-early '00's now
>saying that they weren't relly good at all. I don't see people
>doing that with KRS. To me, that's all that matters...

no, it isn't, because you're making relativist arguments. it doesn't matter what some think about others, especially in a subjective argument. i see your point, i mean hey, THESE cats sound dated, so if dated is *the* issue, then it should hold true accross the board.

thing is- and to be real i don't think anyone who thinks otherwise is being honest- "old school" gets a pass on everything, because it was first. it's like all these cats swearing nobody has ever come close to rakims level lyrically. except, plenty of people have, he just got there first. i lost count of how many inept "the student can never be better than the teacher" arguments i've seen on here over the years.

like it or not, "first" gets a damn near universal pass.

or depth: someone is just so deep, so elevated mentally, etc etc etc, but really... it's not. "theives in the night" is as deep as deep gets, but try throwing that out to these guys as a lyrical work on par with anything ever written? lol. the responses are so predictable. "well, anyone not named chuck d or krs. that was an every day thing for them".

plus, it's not just *what* you say, it's *how* you say it, and i'm sorry, but krs isn't all that great with his "way" of delivering his message. he really isn't. he's guru with charisma.

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168. "RE: it damn sure sounds dated to ME.....so stop telling me it's not. "
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All the things in your first paragraphs are not worthy of discussing and just cliches. *Of course* music is subjective and blah-blah. You have every right to call KRS dated just like I have every right to call Smashing Pumpkins dated 90's shit. I'm just saying why *I* think dated is a meaningless ter4m in terms of dismissing something.

>thing is- and to be real i don't think anyone who thinks
>otherwise is being honest- "old school" gets a pass on
>everything, because it was first. it's like all these cats
>swearing nobody has ever come close to rakims level lyrically.
>except, plenty of people have, he just got there first. i lost
>count of how many inept "the student can never be better than
>the teacher" arguments i've seen on here over the years.
>
>like it or not, "first" gets a damn near universal pass.

The people who don't like the old-school have every opportunity to champion "their" artists and make them part of the pantheon. However, when you see their voices silence after a couple of years, their mc's will never take the place of the old school artists. I remember when Ras Kass dropped, people on the internet were calling him one4 of the best-if not *the* best-ever. Where are they now? The thing is that Hip-Hop in the mid-late 80's was something radical and new that changed the life of people. Hip-Hop after that was just another genre of popular music and a "phase4" for a lot of people. You shouldn't get pissed off at the old farts who champion their favourites from their youth, it's not their fault that newer mc's don't get put on a piedestal, it's the younger fans who just abandons their shit when new and trendier styles come along...


>
>plus, it's not just *what* you say, it's *how* you say it, and
>i'm sorry, but krs isn't all that great with his "way" of
>delivering his message. he really isn't. he's guru with
>charisma.

Personally, I don't like how KRS sounded after "Edutainment"; his voice became too gravel and his flow sounded less "fluid" as a result. I still like those records though but KRS himself sounded a bit annoying; personally, I think he sounded best on the "Ghetto music"-album from '89...

  

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169. "RE: huh? why would that be the case? "
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>it's dated.

You said you only bothered to listen to the music he made up until Edutainment, which was 1990. That could possibly be the reason you think his music sounds like it's from the 80s, dumbass!

Try 'Return of the Boom-Bap' (93) and 'KRS-ONE' (95), they have that more mid 90's east coast boom bap vibe with a tonne of Premier beats on them. That was around the time I first started listening to him.

>all
>this talk about his flow and yet it's mostly the same boring
>80's flow. YAWN.

Nah man KRS has all kinds of different flows.

KRS isn't stuck in the 80s, you are stuck on judging his 20+ year career based off the stuff he did in the 80s.

  

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170. "Davey D - The Greatest of All-time: KRS-One vs Jay-Z"
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The Greatest of All-time: KRS-One vs Jay-Z
http://hiphopnews.yuku.com/topic/586

by Davey D


A long held favorite past time within Hip Hop circles is to debate the skill set of our favorite icons. It's part and parcel of the culture as many of us have spent countless hours analyzing and over analyzing someone's rhyme flows, dance moves, album concepts, artwork etc.


Within these debates there are some universally held beliefs that rarely get challenged unless someone is deliberately trying to cause controversy and strike a nerve by going over the top. One such universal truth was broached this weekend, but this time the folks who presented it were serious which resulted in an all out heated debate unfolding. The topic centered around the issue of Hip Hop's all-time best emcee.


For years it didn't matter what brand of Hip Hop you embraced.
When it came to discussing the best emcee, KRS-One and Rakim always held the top spots.
Names like Nas, Jay-Z, 2Pac and Biggie to name a few, were usually in people's top 5 or 10, but rarely did anyone come close be comparable to the God and The Teacha.
They had things on lock-hands down.


What I found over the years is that; the older the participant in these discussions, the more underground oriented people were and those who identified with New York style Hip Hop from the Golden era, tended to be more resolute about the universal acceptance of Rakim and KRS being Hip Hop's all-time best emcees.


There's no denying that both have changed the game. When it comes to KRS, his skills as a scar tested battle emcee and incredible performer has been unrivaled. A KRS show could go on for hours with him delivering hit after hit after hit that would leave the crowd exhausted because he just brings so much energy to the stage.


Rakim while not having the same hyped up stage presence, gets props because he has epitomized the essence of cool. His writing and his delivery is akin to the greatest of jazz players. Like I said those two emcees always held the top spots.


But as they say, nothing lasts forever, and so I guess I shouldn't have been surprised when I found myself involved in a heated debate this weekend with a hardened New Yorker and long-time Hip Hop head who were both insistent that the top spot now belongs to Jigga Man aka Jay-Z.


My boy Mookie a Bronx born former emcee from the now defunct group Red, Black & Green who used to roll with King Sun, my other boy Sean out of San Jose a long time fixture in the scene and myself, sat up watching the Laker game this Saturday while we had the debate of debates.


Mookie a long-time KRS fan kept extolling the virtues of Jay-Z, citing his long track record of consistent hit-making.
Both him and Sean talked emphatically about Jay's last album 'American Gangsta' as if it was some sort of landmark record that symbolized the start of a new era in Hip Hop. Mookie emphatically explained that his main beef with KRS is that over the past few years he's been in a slump where is last few albums have been 'wack' and lacking both musically and even lyrically.


The argument started off around the concept of having hit records. Mookie and Sean felt Jay-Z made his mark, while KRS had not. At that point I had to shut folks down and not allow them to measure an artists based solely on album sales and commercial success via radio play. If we did that we'd have to look at how much money and promotion have been behind a Jay-Z album and did his sales match up to the all the exposure.


I explained that KRS has a set of fans and Jay-Z has a set of fans. Jays fans may be the Hot 97/ commercial radio crowd while KRS may be the underground/ so called backpack crowd. My contention is that you have to look at an artist and take into account how he resonates with his base. KRS still sells out shows. KRS still connects with his audience at shows. Like Jay his catolgue of hit songs his deep.


Mookie and Sean argued that Jigga is a rapper's rapper, noting that Jay has managed to stay on top in the fickle, topsy turvy world of commercial Hip Hop which in many ways his harder. This is in sharp contrast to many commercial artists who are here today and gone tomorrow.


They maintained that Jay-Z has managed to consistently reinvent himself and stay relevant. They said he still delivers hits and garners respect from all corners. of the Hip Hop community. His flow has never gotten lazy. His albums are always on point. Mookie went so far as to praise Jay-Z for pushing the envelop by reaching out to experiment with new sounds and styles.


He didn't elaborate but my take was he was referencing Jay-Z hooking up with southern rappers like UGK and Juvenile or west coast producers like Rick Rock, or experimenting with the production of a young Kanye West and before that, the then emerging Neptunes.
Mookie and Sean kept saying the industry owes Jay a lot.


I countered by pointing out that KRS did the same thing in terms of pushing the envelop to introduce both innovative concepts and sounds. When you really stop to examine things, you find that in many ways KRS may have been ahead of his time.


For example, he laced us up with ragga-muffin and reggae style.
Today that sound is common place in Hip Hop to the point that we actually forget KRS was on the front line of helping usher that in.
Many people forget how KRS was flipping that ragga flava on albums like Criminal Minded.


We forget about the early work he did with artists like Just-Ice and Mad Lion where reggae flavored was the order of the day.
Today we go to a club and listen to artists like Beanie Man or dance the night away to artists like Damian Marley and forget that once upon a time that style was ground-breaking.


We often overlook that KRS helped sparked a conscious movement along with Public Enemy and X-Clan.
We forget about his concept of 'Edutainment' which means mixing entertainment and education.
We forget about 'Stop the Violence Movement' which he launched with the National Urban league.
We forget about the HEAL Foundation that he started when he did an album that was trying to raise money for the New York City School system people to buy books.


We forget that KRS was one of the first rappers to lecture at a college (Harvard)and even pen an editorial for the NY Times.
He was one of the first to do a song demanding that Mumia Be Free.
We forget that KRS took on the police with songs like Black Cop and Sound of the Police.


Jigga could only hope to be so political and have such impact.
His political movement up to date was boycotting Crystal, wrapping himself in the American flag after 9-11, demanding the troops come home on one of his song 'Beware of the Boys' with Punjabi MC and showing Obama slides during his recent concerts.
And in all fairness I will note that Jigga has done a number of songs that touched upon social topics including his recently released Minority Report about Katrina and the cut he did with Dead Prez called Oh Yeah.


The KRS I recall was boldly showing Malcolm X in his videos and making no bones about it.
Am I the only one who remembers 'My Philosophy' and KRS looking out of the window holding an Uzi ala the infamous Malcolm X pose for his album 'By All Means Ncessary'

For better or for worse KRS was a pioneering figure along with Schoolly D and Ice T for what we now call Gangsta Rap.
The album Criminal Minded which featured KRS' partner the late Scott La Rock.
Together the pair was known as Boogie Down ProductionsCriminal Minded was a classic album thst was innovative in style, sound and concept.


Our debate got so heated that we started comparing albums song by song.
We started out Criminal Minded vs Reasonable Doubt to see which really resonated within Hip Hop when it they were first released. Both albums squarely connected with the streets and marked a big change in Hip Hop in both sound and concept.
Our debate exploded around songs like; South Bronx vs Can't Knock the Hustle.
The Bridge is Over vs Ain't No N---', 9mm Goes Bang vs 22 Twos.
The debate raged on..

We then went and compared the KRS' all time classic album 'By All Means Necessary' vs Jay-Z's classic In My Lifetime Vol 1.
We went song for song..My Philosphy vs A Million, I'm Still Number 1 vs 'Who You Wit'.. We went on and on.


As I said earlier, the main ding against KRS was his mini drought of albums that weren't hitting and reaching his usual standards.
Mookie wanted to point out albums like 'Sneak Attack', 'Krystyles' and 'Keep It Right' as proof positive that KRS was over. He said KRS lost his edge.
I reminded Mookie that Jay-Z lost his way with Blueprint 2 the Gift and the Curse.
And while I was personally feeling Kingdom Come way too many Jigga fans was about to call it a day with dude.


Mookie and Sean said Jay came back hard with American Gangsta and I responded by insisting that they go listen to KRS' new joint with Marley Marl called 'Hip Hop Lives'.


The debate ended with us not watching the game and me promising to share the debate with my readers.
Since then, I re-listened to a lot of Jay-Z's songs off his earlier albums and of course American Gangsta and there's no denying, he is one of the best ever. But I also relistened to KRS's classics and having been around long enough to recall what those songs meant when they dropped, I still have to give KRS the edge. Both Jay-Z and KRS have a ton of songs. They resonate deep with their respective audiences. Both have changed the game. They both can flow.
The tie breaker for me is Jay-Z vs KRS on stage-Jigga better bring back up in the form of either the Circus Du Solei or a J-Lo, Hallie and Beyonce dancing back up butt naked and even then that won't be enough to overtake focused KRS doing battle on stage.


Nuff said.. what do y'all think when we match up two of Hip Hop's Best KRS vs Jayz?

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Organ
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172. "KRS is the Greatest imo "
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Whenever someone drops a post saying so I always come in to co-sign
That's all

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173. "NIGGA I KNOW IT AINT NOBODY IN HERE SAYIN JAYZ BETTER THAN KRS"
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NIGGA KILL yo Gat dam self rat nah...jay would prolly help yo monkey ass

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174. "How is he not?"
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He lost his right hand after the first album and continued to dispose of emcees WHILE HANDICAPPED!

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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