Distinct from NY centric hip hop

The majority of the early West Coast hip (differentiating from the electro movement of Egyptian Lover etc...which was more dance music than hip hop)Ice T, NWA, CMW, King T was still made in the traditional hip hop format-break beat, samples, 808’s etc...

The producers Africa Islam, DJ Pooh, Unknown and Dr Dre stuck to the script for the most part and the West Coast loved it.

Can we pin point the changeing of the gaurd with a specific song/artist and or lp?

I know it’s easy to say Dr. Dre and The Chronic but is that REALLY the correct answer?

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-programmed drums as opposed to breakbeats
-reliance on funk samples as opposed to the popular "NY park jams" (especially as East Coast hip hop would later disnigush itself by its heavy use of jazz samples)
-use of live synths/heavy keyboards
-vocoder

again I know the Chronic encompassas a lot of that but I dont know if it was the first.

I know at first all hip hop production was homogonized and the same. Everyone was influenced by Run DMC. Then when samples became vogue everyone again had the same hip hop sound. But then their was a time when I could hear a hip hop song and clearly know that it was from the West.

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>I know at first all hip hop production was homogonized and the
>same. Everyone was influenced by Run DMC.

how does Batteram sound like Run DMC?

>Then when samples became vogue everyone again had the same hip hop >sound.

the kind of sampling done on songs like "Dopeman" and "Boyz In Tha Hood" doesn't sound like anything east coast (of the time) @ all to me

it wasn't until (in my remembrance) "3 Feet High and Rising" got that intricate (e.g. sampling as actual lyrics and supporting dialog) and big in the east

of course that was a while ago and this is all top of the head thinking

>how does Batteram sound like Run DMC?

thats 1 song tho. u wouldnt say overall that most west coast cats intially adopted a b-boy philosohy?

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was sounding like got damn Run

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the folks doing the music you dismissed as dance/electro started with a sound that was the birth of west coast sound

take a song like Rockberry Jam (LA Dream Team - 1985), def has the back and forth two-man styled *rhymes* but there is a heavy synth sound to the music there that was key to what you're calling "west coast sound"

that sound also exists on stuff like "surgery" (also i '85) by the world class wrecking crew (for example)

noting i remember from the east sounding like that

when you ask where does the west coast sound start, factor in these type of elements

something about the west coast hiphop sound not being unique until 1992 seems fishy

but it seems by your description that this was more in the electro dance vein of Egyption lover?

so u are saying that the WC sound evolved fro the electro scene even tho it was diverted for a few years when the WC went to tradtional sounding hip hop?

that sounds plausabile

I wasnt there so I dont know

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into Crunk. Listen to a prime Bass song, then a prime Crunk song...you don't really hear shit similar. But if you listen from the beginning of the era (Bass or L.A. electro) and see how it evolved into the next (Crunk or G-Funk) it makes more sense.

Yea, Rockberry Jam, Reckless, all those 80's songs were more like "Dream team is in the house" and on surface, they don't sound SHIT like what West Coast Rap became. To me, the only real similarities are in some of the instruments, and then of course the choruses and melodies that may have been recycled a few times.

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I'm saying it's a hybrid

the first "rap" song I can recall with that sort of hevy synth sound, but not as pure (say like "surgery")

between that and "Batterram" I think is your genesis (at least the LA part of it)

>so u are saying that the WC sound evolved fro the electro
>scene

As your criteria describes it, I definitely think so

I believe Dre (and Yella) are they people who bridged that into the 90s era you're talking about elsewhere


i did a quick check online for something less anecdotal. look here:

http://westcoastpioneers.com/artists.html

Same speed, which was 125s vs a 95...so that alone puts them in similar territory on surface. But the instrumentation and structure was a lot different

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LA Dream Team were synth fiends just like Egyptian Lover

the "programmed drums" part is there also

That track has the classic west coast funk feel to it.

Surgery just sounds like some Planet Rock descendant.

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I agree with you for the most part

but electro had a lil presence in NY prior to LA maybe

the electro bucket

to the point though, i think there is a definite sonic difference between something like Jam On It and Egypt, Egypt (and defintely something like "Dream Team is in the House")

related yes, but in my opinion divergent branches

saw this whole debate up here

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I think it’s important to hear the West Coasts history from someone from the West instead of having it being interpreted through East Coast colored glasses

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Probably this guy....


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2688231&mesg_id=2688231&page=

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

but isn't his sound still to this day assoctiated more w/Oakland then the greater West Coast sound that was used by the mass?

His sound and correct me if I'm wrong sounds "regional" as opposed to coastal

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about...the same way that L.A. is five hours from The Bay, and like 30-45 hours from the rest of the nation, echoes the way our sound is similar to theirs. Same way with Dallas and Houston before the Dougie era....same way Philly and NY and even Jersey have similar yet slightly different sounds due to the fact that they are close but not THAT close.

So while there are a of productions that could have been Bay or L.A...as a whole, you can hear the difference..some songs feel VEEEEEEEEERY Bay, and "VERY Bay" songs feel more Regional than ANYTHING that's "Very L.A." and that's without Bias. Also, there were more Bay songs that sounded L.A. than the other way around.

I feel like E-40 "Hope I don't go back" or "Shock the Party" and maybe even "In the trunk" and "Mobbin in my old school" could have all been L.A. tracks...but a lot of Bay songs would have ONLY been Bay songs..shit, most of em. "Captain save a hoe" "Sideways" "Gettin it" "Playboy Short" "I got five on it." By the mid 90's, as a whole, Bay songs were slower...many were 85-90 BPM while L.A. songs were 95 BPM on average.

Songs like "Too hard for the radio" were part of that early 90's sound that sounds more West in retrospect because you see that the divide was starting to happen, but the elements were still similar to what the East Coast had. That bassline was the most Bay thing about it.

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>but isn't his sound still to this day assoctiated more
>w/Oakland then the greater West Coast sound that was used by
>the mass?
>
>His sound and correct me if I'm wrong sounds "regional" as
>opposed to coastal


I don't know...It seems to me the rest of the West Coast caught up with with Too Short and that Bay Area sound...Remember, beyond the Dream Team and a few minor acts, the West Coast wasn't really touching a synthesized sound once the likes of Ice T and King Tee started making noise...But when you hear the Moog and synth heavy stuff in the early, early 90s and that funk sound you are basically listening to an off-shoot of that Bay Area late '80s hip-hop sound.....And that was Too Short all the way around...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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That was when we were starting to feel comfortable over our own sound, but it hadn't become "OURS" just yet. Still used the same elements that the East used

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but I could still see that he had a tradtional mindframe and he combined it with the sounds and samples that him and his boys played at home

Cube didnt get full fledged gangsta/west coast sound til Lethal Injection

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West Coast, but most 80's West Coast sounded like it came straight from the East, as you said. King Tee "Act a fool" could have been a Fresh Prince and Jazzy Jeff song.

Wild thing about us using Roger Troutman influence is that EPMD "U got's to Chill" and even MC Breed (who we claim low key) used Roger before any major West Coast songs did.

Many folks say that Above The Law had the West Coast sound before Dre did. With NWA..."Gangsta Gangsta" and those tracks feel West Coast now, but they really don't sound that much diff from the East...I feel like "Always into somethin" was the first of their songs that really had a feel that became "West Coast."

I feel like DJ Quik's first album sounds VERY West, and "Tonite" definitely does. So maybe the 1991 era is when we started to break away and have our own vibe going on. As said before, CMW and MC Eiht had somewhat of a sample based style that sounded like it coulda been from NY on some songs, but "Straight up Menace" had a West feel.

This is all just L.A. though...to me? The Bay might have had their own sound before we did. I always felt L.A. had more of a Funk influence, and the Bay had more of a 80's R&B influence, along with those basslines that were notorious for Mob Music and from Bosko + Ant Banks. "Humpty dance" bassline alone somehow makes it feel more West than East to me. Before that era though..."Playboy Short" felt like it coulda been "Fresh Prince" too...and "Short but funky" feels West Coast, but coulda been an East Coast track to.

I'd say 1992 and then 1993 is when we REALLY started to have our own sound, which is Chronic as you mention...it was basically when it was like "ok...so we got our sound figured out now? Ok...let's get it now (c) Drake" and folks really had something they could identify with a West Coast sound.

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he's strait Midwest9Flint,MI)...Im from Cleve and we bumped No future in you frontin haard about a year before it made its way out west

fa real tho I feel you for claimin him....I always asociated him w the West too even though I knew where he was from lol

I feel like "Always into somethin" was
>the first of their songs that really had a feel that became
>"West Coast." >

Interesting

I always felt L.A. had more of
>a Funk influence, and the Bay had more of a 80's R&B
>influence, along with those basslines that were notorious for>

tight their is a differintation but the thing is the L.A. sound overshadowed the Bay sound to the rest of the hip hop world. we associated the West w/ L.A.

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and Bay Area = Bay Area."

I feel like we've always liked each other's music, even some of the more local/Regional music, but they have always had a LOT more local shit that never made it out. All the Dre Dog/Andre Nickatina and even 3x Krazy before Keak went solo.

The L.A. sound and culture was always more dominant, even when it was influenced by The Bay, which is why some folks from The Bay will hate L.A...but I don't think we ever saw it that way here. We figured that we would always influence each other, and if one side got successful from it, it was all good....we opened the doors for each other.

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Nice assessment.

>The L.A. sound and culture was always more dominant, even when
>it was influenced by The Bay, which is why some folks from The
>Bay will hate L.A...

LA still stealing the bay's sound...

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Of course y'all will call it out when we "steal" it but thing is, L.A. NEVER takes credit for what the Bay makes...but if our music happens to blow, it just does.

I'm sure you're talkin about the Jerkin sound, and we already talked about that. The kids who were on that grew up more on Hyphy in 03-07 along with Southern music than anything L.A. had, so of course their music sounded Hyphy...but it evolved into its own shit.

It's plenty Bay songs that had a more L.A. feel to them, but most of em didn't blow nationwide. The obvious is "Get stupid" which folks thought Dre himself did. And "New Oakland" def had that Aftermath vibe to it. And then, the rappers and producers worked together, so we saw Battlecat producing tracks for E-40.

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would this be it?

http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/bighutch08/

Dubcnn: Do people still ask you the question who really invented G-Funk?

*laughs* Yeah, they do! It's funny, cause people know who invented G-Funk! The people who ask me, they're telling me "You invented it!" *laughs* They know the history. But yeah, the thing about it is that I don't even live off that. It's just that I've done something, I've influenced somebody, and I wanted my credit for that influence. I innovated a certain sound in this industry and people don't give me credit for it. People just look over me, people don't even put me in nothing, even if that person don't put me in nothing, knowingly that enough people know the true story, for you guys to print that. It's bad in that sense, not to say that "The person who took it is wack for taking it" No. Music is influence, when we click together we all influence each other. That's a compliment.

If I do something good and you utilize it and you come up, that's a compliment. What's messed up, is when you don't give that person the credit, when you don't pay homage to that person. It's like learning a skill from somebody and saying you made it up, and not giving your teacher the proper credit. That's my problem with it. It's not even about this person doing something with it and winning from it, it's only about "give me my credit, give me my just due." I worked hard coming up with a theory and an idea to be different than everybody else, you know what I mean?

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Dubcnn: Would you consider switching up your style to appeal to what's hot right now?

.... I can't mimic anybody because I'm self-made, my group is self-made, we came with our own style. If you listen to "Livin' Like Hustlers" and you listen to "Straight Outta Compton", it doesn't sound the same, you feel me? We don't know how to do that. N.W.A. were our G's, so if we weren't imitating them, why would we imitate somebody now? Because today's music is yesterday's music, you got cats doing throwback tracks all day long, and saying "Hey that's the new style!" "No, it was the style in '88!" I'm just keeping it real. So would me being myself be keeping up? Probably. So let's just keep it 100 homie

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It's the same way that big companies take inventions from small companies, revamp them, claim them, and get credit.

Thing about it is, yeah ATL invented it and made some bangers, but IF Dre hadn't made Chronic, would G-Funk have exploded to the point that even in 95-96, Jamie Foxx's intro sounded like a West Coast song?

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and even as a fan I never heard that ATL lp in question..I dont think many people have

Just cuz Hutch said it tho dont make it true lol I wasnt there so i dont know

I am tryin to educate myself and maybye others too

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But at the same time, does Dre ever really claim to have "invented" G-Funk? Warren G's the one who had the album titled "G-Funk era" LOL.

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what kind of hiphop did they play - local acts in particular?

I hear that it was a mixture though...all the local acts, whether it was Low Profile and King Tee or the ones that became nationwide, and then the regular East Coast and whatever else was poppin.

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the FIRST 24/7 hiphop station in the world?

east coast cannot claim that

getting someone from those earliest days would eliminate all this guessing done by folks who either weren't there, or weren't old enough to be aware

which is what this post seems to be heading toward @ this point

while I welcome someone who listened to early KDAY I don't know that they would have the definitive answer either

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i'm just thinking those ideas would have a better context from which to speak

s'all good

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"Some believe that the five elements of hip hop culture, which include B-Boying, beatboxing, DJing, graffiti art, and MCing, existed on the East and West Coasts of the United States simultaneously during the mid-seventies. This theory runs in opposition to the more universally accepted belief that the fundamental elements of hip hop were all born and cultivated exclusively on the East Coast, New York City in particular, in the most early stages of the culture. Although it is agreed that hip hop was given its name in New York, some say a culture that closely mirrored the East Coast hip hop culture had emerged in the West existing from Los Angeles to the San Francisco Bay Area during the same period. The culture itself is believed to have been a mutual creation which probably evolved from interaction between people who identified with elements from their respective coasts.
The entire west coast hip hop scene started in 1978, with the founding of Uncle Jamm's Army (originally called "Unique Dreams Entertainment"). The group was influenced by Prince, East Coast hip hop, Kraftwerk, Parliament-Funkadelic etc. In 1980, Uncle Jamm's Army became the best party promoters in LA. In 1983, the group's leader Roger Clayton influenced by Funkadelic's album Uncle Jam Wants You changes the group's name from Unique Entertainment to Uncle Jamm's Army."

West Coast hip hop came out of funk, and east coast hip hop came out off the disco break/soul records, which is why both sounds have a very distinctive sound.


They had their own sound right out of the box, and they never get credit for it..... Just like Niggas were pop-locking and up rocking way before that shit was going down in NY.

when I think of landmark early West Coast lps that made a dent in L.A. THE FIRST record thatcomes to mind is Ice-T's Rhyme Pays lp specifically 6 in the morn which is unequivacable East Coast

Now granted I know that Ice himsef is from the East by way of NJ and that the lp was produced by Africa Islam who was strait NY BUT my point is that the West accepted and embraced the record and followed suit

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Even EARLY shit like "Radio Activity Rapp" which had some Funk didn't feel much different from "Jam on it" which was East Coast.

I don't think there was that real divide until the 90's.

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THEIR own personal classics that they played at BBQ's and cookouts

as opposed to trying to emulate what NY cats played at their park jams

WC cats wern't listening to "Rock vreek park" or "Dont look any furthur"

when they realized that their music memories were just as valid they incorporated it into their hip hop

it was like splitting an atom for the first time

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>
>when they realized that their music memories were just as
>valid they incorporated it into their hip hop
>


Truth.


However, that's what they were doing from the beginning but a lot of those records didn't cut.....You got to understand, you got entertainers flying from coast to coast, influencing each other, AT THE SAME TIME, and it was just a matter of creating music off of that.

Bootsie was doing rhyme forms over music way before that shit was happening over disco breaks in NY....Rap came out of party rhyming, and everbody in the world was party rhyming!!

It's just like evolution, yeah, people were being created in africa, but that shit was also happening in asia as well......

There's nothing particularly west coast about Bootsy, George Clinton, One Way, et cetera. I'm pretty sure most of them groups are from the Midwest or the East Coast actually. Zapp and Roger are from Cincy

Doesn't anyone remember EPMD?

It's an accident of history that the West Coast producers (dre, daz, quik, pooh, battle cat, et cetera) glommed on to the P-Funk or Jheri Curl funk.

Meanwhile, east coast producers sampled with Southerner James Brown and plenty of Ohio Players, EWF from Chi....

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The Bomb Squad production wise.

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Hussein ibn Malik "if he escaped on a horse he might be realest nigga ever, EVER..2013 Nat Turner with the burner"

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PoppaGeorge "If you're a child of the 70's, Ye looks like

but not as chaotic

thats the point that early west coast hip hop was set on the same foundation as NY/EC hip hop

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I know "east coast bias" and all but to say that totally discredits the work Dre et al had done prior to 1986) hell PE's "Yo Bum Rush the Show" (the first production I recall) came out in early '87) *AFTER* NWA had already released "Dopeman" and "Boyz in the Hood" which were the framework for what "Straight Outta Compton" sounded like

i MAYBE could give you "F*ck tha Police" and "Gangsta Gangsta" from a chaotic sound standpoint but what else ("Express Yourself"? nope. "Parental Discretion..?" nope. etc.)?

>i MAYBE could give you "F*ck tha Police" and "Gangsta Gangsta"
>from a chaotic sound standpoint but what else ("Express
>Yourself"? nope. "Parental Discretion..?" nope. etc.)?

"Fuck Tha Police" and the title track are the only ones that pattern the Bomb Squad. "Express Yourself" might have been something the Juice Crew cats would have rocked over.

But "Parental Discretion", nope. Definitely not "Quiet On The Set", "If It Ain't Ruff", "Gangsta Gangsta" (that sounded like the direction Cube would take).

Even the Bomb Squad changed it up for Cube when he hooked up with them and Jinx for his first album.

i don't see what they are saying @ all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtBbme_xvWo

on that Electro Funk, which was the sound of the LA Clubs in the '80s (fun fact: Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis produced this track)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18FMFfls9I

this song goes

as I feel a lot of your ideas but not this one

as a neutral "non coaster" I vehemently disagree

futhermore why does NY have to take direct credit for EVERY facet of hip hop?

just because the sampled more bounce doesnt mean WC hh started w EPMD

please fam.....

that statement sounds ridicules

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insulted by anyone even insinuating that EPMD had anything to do w the WC sound

Ive read interviews where E.Sermon himself has tried to imply this nonsense

I wish someone would check him

thats a self gratifing statement if I ever heard one

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....but yeah, give credit where its due ,,,that whole sampling funk started with EPMD, and really the Bomb Squad should get credit too ...Dre and them took it from using funk samples to replaying and playing their own funk, they really took it to new levels and made a whole movement with it

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...no offense, but this is common knowledge unless you started listening to hip hop in 1992

hmmmm..you might be on to something

"Unlike old school hip hop, which was originally based on disco hits but eventually became more electronic, EPMD based its music mainly on lifting funk and rock breaks for samples and helped to popularize their usage, along with Marley Marl and Public Enemy."

...truth spoken, but they don't wanna hear it...lol...ultimately it does not matter. Quality music is quality music...big ups for shining light...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

If West Coast Rap had stopped at simply sampling Funk, yeah, I'd give them all the credit. But since it evolved into a whole nother thing, they won't get the sole credit.

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....ultra magnetic and epmd did that first ...but Joe Cocker gets the props before them

it didn't give $hort his sound, he had it before that. And $hort didn't sample the funk he made it.Dre was definitely being inspired by the east. That's why Cube went to the Bomb Squad.
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they were one of the first acts that broke big conventions that New Yorkers just did NOT do in hip-hop... "no sampling 'recent' records", they didn't stick to the (same) James Brown joints, different drum patterns...

EPMD was visionary, and it played a lot into their success, but I think that their sound is still different from what they were doing out West.

>they were one of the first acts that broke big conventions
>that New Yorkers just did NOT do in hip-hop... "no sampling
>'recent' records", they didn't stick to the (same) James Brown
>joints, different drum patterns...
>
>EPMD was visionary, and it played a lot into their success,
>but I think that their sound is still different from what they
>were doing out West.



Agreed.. their sound was totally different than what anyone was doing really besides the bomb squad which was almost like EPMD on Steroids..

But since we're looking for the origins.. what west coast hip hop BEFORE EPMD sounds like the sound the west coast is known for??

The day Zapp's More Bounce to the Ounce came out.

Granted, there were more East Coast acts as a whole, but yeah, it was sampled a LOT by everybody

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...it is that easy, it's the Dre sound, which he took and ran with after EPMD did their thing...the West has no other designated sound. I would also say the east really has no defined sound either...so much diversity if your willing to dig deeper than Primo/Pete/Extra P...

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>..the West has no other designated sound.

Ever heard of the Bay Area?

>>..the West has no other designated sound.
>
>Ever heard of the Bay Area?

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...of the post is in reference to the prevailing sound of the west coast...Dre and them got that locked. As far as the Bay area, thats more of a niche market sound...ask most people outside of the left coast, and they would tell you the dominant, defining sound of the west is that of Dre, which he built from what EPMD did....

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Can't place it on the timeline though. I want to say its around Straight Outta Compton definitely before the Chronic. But yeah if you listen there's a definitive west coastness to the sound.

they were using samples, but not the same ones as New Yorkers (there wasn't a whole lot of James Brown, see: Low Profile), the general style of the beats were more funk like.

their DJing was wilder than New York too (LA is... or maybe WAS a DJ-centric city)

it's just that Dr. Dre was fitting in with the style of the day (Bomb Squad) with a number of his productions. He did keep it LA on tracks like "Something 2 Dance 2".

>their DJing was wilder than New York too (LA is... or maybe
>WAS a DJ-centric city)

Low Profile's WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. If you ain't familiar, that's WC and the legendary DJ Aladdin. "That's Y They Do It", is REAL Los Angeles. The DJ style, but the style of the beat sounds like it was made to be blasted from a '62 Impala.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz3Iqi0QG0s


any of the first Compton's Most Wanted albums -- again, a group of MCs (Eiht, and Chill, who was on the first album but got locked up).

here, is "Compton 4 Life". From their third album, MUSIC TO DRIVE BY, which was released just as G-Funk became the flavor of the moment in L.A. (Eiht followed suit on the album following)

but this right here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zsvyD-rVv4

actually sounds like Music To Drive By.

Low Profile again.

EPMD sampled "More Bounce" but would they have done this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07COrxR4cBg

but I think LA Posse was first.

....i mean, cats wanna brush off EPMD as a major factor in this discussion and thats kinda crazy ...i mean, ABROCK33 wants to pin point a starting point for the "g funk" type sound the west coast is known for ...all fingers point to EPMD ...is there anything before 1988 that sounds like what the ABROCK33 is talking about?

>....i mean, cats wanna brush off EPMD as a major factor in
>this discussion and thats kinda crazy ...i mean, ABROCK33
>wants to pin point a starting point for the "g funk" type
>sound the west coast is known for ...all fingers point to
>EPMD ...is there anything before 1988 that sounds like what
>the ABROCK33 is talking about?

people may have been scared to break the convention of not sampling anything "recent", though. So in that regard I would give them props.

But I must say again, EPMD's sound was still tailored to New York. Long Island cats continually pushed the envelope (esp. in the sample realm).

both west coast albums contain funk samples and were released concurrent with EPMD

specifically on 7A3's album the title track samples Sly's "ThankU.." and "Freestyle '88" is heavily funk based, Drums of Steel used "Cisco Kidd" as it's funk base

regarding the Rhyme Syndicate album: there is a lot of James Brown sampling on this album, however (of note).....
- Low Profile (whose 1st single was in '87 a year before EPMD released their 1st album) appear on the Rhyme Syndicate album so to imply they specifically followed EPMDs lead with their sound is wrong also
- "Bustin Loose" (sample: obvious) is funk based

I would argue he brought a lot of East Coast influence to Cali through his work with Cypress