being all pretenious and comical talking about a corny dog turkey like Van Hunt being able to hang or in the same sentence as R.Kelly?

I look at these Senile turkeys sideways and double cross eyed crazy.

cats wanna call me revisionism, however they know good and well they didn't care about no ABC Chicken product turkeys unless they had a hit record and it was played on the radio.

if you is in the business and are making a career well i figure you outta have a hit song or so by a certain point. if you ain't got no Hits after 5 or more years then you are a Lounge Act at best and the Motel 6 will tip our cup, but because you ain't on my radio dial and you ain't got no Hit well i ain't wasting my time.

white acts with no hits get laughed at twice as hard, because that anti corperate talk is comical. they better have a couple of hits before i even think twice of hearing it.

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is to do the "Ursher" and just make some shit that doesn't even have any semblance of black music?

BTW there's another conflict I see here but I'm sure OldPro will bring that one out...

i don't agree with most of his song choices, but he has hits and Jewlery he is a Winner.

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you'll really take "hits" at the expense of good songs?
cause more often than not that's the case right now.

his talent though keeps a hit and that is cool for what it does

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What the blood claaat ???

...and it flops, will you change your opinion then? Or do you have to wait until the verdict is out before you can say a song is good or not? That's very strange, to me, music is something personal. For something to be a hit, it means that a lot of people have to like it. However, what do those people have to do with me? Why should their opinion and taste matter to *me* in the slightest, especially if it's people who don't care/know as much about music as me? I'm a stone cold elitist in that area; the taste of a bunch of teenagers who doesn't know shit (=the pop-crowd who you need to reach to get the hits, especially nowadays) is totally irrelevant to me.

Great

Bump and Grind by R.Kelly Great

footsteps in the dark isley Brothers great

September Earth,Wind and Fire Great

Respect Aretha Franklin Great

Whats going on Marvin gaye great

living for the city Stevie Wonder Great

you send Me Sam Cooke Great

Lonely teardrops Jackie Wilson Great

Mary Jane Rick James Great

hot fun in the summertime sly and the family stone Great

ectasy Barry White Great


all radio hits and all great songs. they hit with folks and all have aged very well. proves my point and the hits is what we look at first.

i was hanging with a buddy and Al Green's Love and happiness and lets stay together ran back to back and the house was singing and feeling those cuts.

folks respond to the hits and they know it.

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Sorry maxxx, not trying to start an argument (again) but I truly don't get it.

1 - You know about the white-run, corrupt nature of the music business, yet you explicitly endorse its aims and standards even with respect to black artists you feel were mistreated by that same industry. How is that possible? I know you know what payola is. I know you know how certain artists were pushed and radio stations were paid off to play songs. I know you know about black artists being kept off white charts. I know you know that cats with the wrong look or who didn't know the right people never got a real chance. So if you know all this and more, how can you stand behind "hits" as the be-all end-all of this game?

2 - Like I've said every time this has come up, there's a list of artists beloved by many today, critically acclaimed and groundbreaking, probably influential on many of YOUR favorite artists, who had no hits in their own time. Writing a catchy song and having the right combination of hard work, good luck, hype, and sleaze to get it released and backed by a major label is not the only yardstick by which to measure music. (And if it is, I want out.)

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>Sorry maxxx, not trying to start an argument (again) but I
>truly don't get it.
>
>1 - You know about the white-run, corrupt nature of the music
>business, yet you explicitly endorse its aims and standards
>even with respect to black artists you feel were mistreated by
>that same industry. How is that possible? I know you know
>what payola is. I know you know how certain artists were
>pushed and radio stations were paid off to play songs. I know
>you know about black artists being kept off white charts. I
>know you know that cats with the wrong look or who didn't know
>the right people never got a real chance. So if you know all
>this and more, how can you stand behind "hits" as the be-all
>end-all of this game?
>
>2 - Like I've said every time this has come up, there's a list
>of artists beloved by many today, critically acclaimed and
>groundbreaking, probably influential on many of YOUR favorite
>artists, who had no hits in their own time. Writing a catchy
>song and having the right combination of hard work, good luck,
>hype, and sleaze to get it released and backed by a major
>label is not the only yardstick by which to measure music.
>(And if it is, I want out.)



Bravo....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

What the blood claaat ???

those songs and artists speak to that.ottom line don't get into the music industry as a hobby becuase the local motel 6 got a gig for you but you know the business and you know what it is about. ain't no games just bring your hits.

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No doubt that lots of my favorite songs were huge, huge hits. And I agree with you that there's something special about those great songs that everybody knows. But I don't trust the industry or people's collective tastes to tell me whether or not a song is great, or to determine an artist's worth. It's too limiting. My iTunes would be a desolate wasteland with just a few oases if I stuck to only the biggest names and their biggest hits, you know? I prefer to keep it as a huge and ever-expanding metropolis. Yes, the downtown area is full of shining skyscrapers, but the funky little neighborhood joints and back alleys full of sleaze merchants and dealers - sometimes I feel like hanging out there, too. They give the place character.

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i asked that because you obviously go through the hits to get to the backroads of the other. again when i was a child what was the basis to go by? and if your family or friends were around you went by what was known and heard.

i know how the industry operates and goes down, however i know it is about dollars adn sense and also nobody is forced to sign a contract, you know they want hit making material and you agree to bring it.

you can do your thing and have material that hits. Sly Stone did that as did Miles Davis.

its a balancing act. if you have a signature song that is idenity ya know?

the most popular Band in this form is who? the Beatles and there hits and albums are still praised all of these years later.

if there songs weren't great then they would be as talked about as much as the turtles are here. think about it?

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sometimes a great song is also a hit,
and there aren't too many joys that match the thrill of
having everybody in the bar singing along to a great song.


but sometimes a great song
just doesn't connect with the people for whatever reason.


it's fun when a great song is a hit,
but every great song isn't a hit.

in his screen picture, MJ got it right most of the time and that speaks to connecting with your audience.

i like alot of tracks that weren't hits however said acts took care of that department though.

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some songs have a value
beyond the fact that they were or were not hits.

george clinton has got a bunch of songs/ albums
that mean the world to people.
i mean, you ain't never going to hear
"free your mind and your ass will follow" on nobody's radio station...

but george clinton has a value that trascends how well
his albums did or didn't do on the charts.



velvet underground fits into this category as well.
i don't think they had ANY hits... but
their legacy is undeniable.



hendrix is technically a one hit wonder.
but his legacy is more than his chart success.

and like i said if you give us that Great Money track than you can sell us planters Peanuts and frame them as gold and we will buy.

Oh Buddy George Clinton was a Hit maker and he learned a whole lot from Berry Gordy and said so himself. he knew what worked and what didn't.

i like quite a few non hits for MJ, however he knew what worked and what didn't after a while.

Hendrix was Badd and ground breaking and his songs had accesible sound to them, but his guitar playing was always front and center.

velvet underground white media and white folk hype.

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Elijah Wald takes in his 'Escaping the Delta' book... it's nominally a bio on Robert Johnson, but does a great job of placing him in appropriate historical, musical and social contexts (as opposed to subscribing to the mythology that's been built up around him and pre-war blues in general).

Among other things, Wald spends a lot of time dissecting how and why the blues hitmakers are largely forgotten in favor of at-the-time obscure, rural and often archaic recording artists. Very eye-opening, and a lot of the arguments he develops can be applied to conversations like this.

I'm like 6 or 7 years late on reading the book since GumDrops first mentioned it, but it's been worth my while to read.

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...in that the target-audience for the blues-revival had no relationship to the blues-hitmakers either; which artists that would be revived and considered important was TOTALLY in the hands of the archaelogists...

>...in that the target-audience for the blues-revival had no
>relationship to the blues-hitmakers either; which artists that
>would be revived and considered important was TOTALLY in the
>hands of the archaelogists...

>>...in that the target-audience for the blues-revival had no
>>relationship to the blues-hitmakers either; which artists
>that
>>would be revived and considered important was TOTALLY in the
>>hands of the archaelogists...

has been shaped by three men:

John Hammond
Alan Lomax
Harry Smith



hmmmm... could be a post in that

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>hmmmm... could be a post in that
>

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in a different light than the one I've been conditioned for since my wee years.

I've got a lot of thoughts on sections 1 and 3, and will probably inbox you as I collect them.

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>I've got a lot of thoughts on sections 1 and 3, and will
>probably inbox you as I collect them.

I still intend to make that post, btw... one of these days!

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>in a different light than the one I've been conditioned for
>since my wee years.


What condition are you pertaining to, though?

Of course you have your elitists out there who shit on anything "popular" for the sake of boosting up lesser known acts...This is one extreme...And one that I don't share....

But you want to know the other extreme? Someone who clutches onto record sales and popularity as the ruling stick for the quality of music...

What Maxx is saying is the latter...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

had larger than life careers and hits that is a fact and you can't contradict that.

growing up we were exposed to that. and i have had this conversation with OP about Prince for instance, we could get into what i call the other stuff on his albums because he gave us the hits to work with and then we digested the other stuff.

same thing with MJ,Lionel, Stevie, Marvin, R.kelly,Rick james,etc..

you see Stevie Wonder gave me the best album expereince for quite a while so i could tolerate the other stuff in the later years.

had to have that cut though.

Beyonce's new album ain't got no hit and it is flat. that is the bottom line.gotta have a track in there that speaks.

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more loved by the ppl.

more loved by the white women.

more loved by the record industry.

more loved by God.

clearly, Prince won.

i can dig this line of thought!

fuck you.

would say that to you.

Rick Moved me more,but Prince was more driven.

rick and Prince its like the Bobby Brown and Usher argument.


i dig Bobby more, but Usher was more driven. i never said better IMO, but driven says that said person just kept it moving.

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and the ppl are always right.

so, Prince is better.

fuck you.

and Prince crossed over so it helped,etc.. with that line of thinking. be it you agree or not him crossing over and being accepted,etc.. plays into what you accept as a standard alot of the time as well.interesting ain't it? i still like Rick far more and yet popularity is very much part of the picture.

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i mean, i'm too Tom-ish to be down w/soul brothers like Lionel.

just go on and say it.

fuck you.

i know he can hang with anybody and I know he came from the Ray Charles school of music making which has no limits. you are cool.

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>had larger than life careers and hits that is a fact and you
>can't contradict that.


Maxx...Is this your go-to move? Bringing up shit that's not even part of the debate? Yep...


>growing up we were exposed to that. and i have had this
>conversation with OP about Prince for instance, we could get
>into what i call the other stuff on his albums because he gave
>us the hits to work with and then we digested the other
>stuff.


I could care less, Maxx...I never dug Prince because he was popular...Hell, the kids I knew who were listening to say Dirty Mind liked that album because it was some groundbreaking, next shit, dope music...Dirty Mind era Prince was still a underground act, even after the pop success he had with the second album...

If I went by your warped thinking, I would not have even given Prince the time of day...I would have thought the "Dirty Mind" Prince was wack...Because he wasn't selling as many albums as say the Bay City Rollers....

That's you...



>same thing with MJ,Lionel, Stevie, Marvin, R.kelly,Rick
>james,etc..


I dig all of those acts at certain points in their careers?...What does this have to do with anything?

>you see Stevie Wonder gave me the best album expereince for
>quite a while so i could tolerate the other stuff in the later
>years.
>
>had to have that cut though.
>
>Beyonce's new album ain't got no hit and it is flat. that is
>the bottom line.gotta have a track in there that speaks.


Listen dog....We are not talking about success of record sales here....It's about what YOU think of the music...I'm sure the few black music fans in the early '70s who liked Donny Hathaway when he wasn't even going gold had a good reason to support the man: his immense musical talent and songwriting...

They weren't slaves to what was popular...They were able to enjoy Stevie, Isaac Hayes, and the J5 the same way they dug Donny...

If you are that weak minded to shit on some music just because the person next to you is not buying it, that says more about you than it does the artist....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Prince wanted hits and got them. of course his popularity helped him and to deny that is wrong. what we dug about dirty mind where i grew up was the lyrics and the rawness of the sound, but when he blew up folks championed that as well.

now fast forward to 1990 at my local Bar b shop and they were like he needs to retire because the hits dried up and that vibe was gone, but when he has hitting everybody was in that Groove.

Bay city rollers didn't get no play around my way. they had a couple of cute hits.

cats don't get into the music industry by accident you want to be rich and famous you want the perks and you want to be the Man.

gotta have those hits. can't tell you nothing because you think you got it all figured out.

growing up as a kid you listen to the radio you knew who was selling and who wasn't.

kids today know chris brown, trey songz, rhianna, beyonce, lady gaga,justin bieber. ain't nothing changed there. the way of buying said product is different however it is the same system.

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>Prince wanted hits and got them. of course his popularity
>helped him and to deny that is wrong. what we dug about dirty
>mind where i grew up was the lyrics and the rawness of the
>sound, but when he blew up folks championed that as well.

It's great to know that you liked Prince more when he became popular...Meanwhile, I was bumping dude's music hard as a kid with Dirty Mind and Controversy, two albums that didn't even go platinum until the release of Purple Rain...

I guess I like what I like, huh?




>now fast forward to 1990 at my local Bar b shop and they were
>like he needs to retire because the hits dried up and that
>vibe was gone, but when he has hitting everybody was in that
>Groove.

After 1990, Prince released Diamonds & Pearls...He sold 5 million copies...So does that mean the magic was back? GTFOOH....lol



>Bay city rollers didn't get no play around my way. they had a
>couple of cute hits.

Bay City Rollers sold a shit load of albums Maxx...I'm just going by your warped thinking....They sold more than Prince at the moment he was struggling to move albums with DM, right?...So that means their music meant more, right? The same way Milli Vanilli sold way more albums than Jodeci....They must have been better, even before we found out they were fakes...

Your logic, not mine...


>
>cats don't get into the music industry by accident you want to
>be rich and famous you want the perks and you want to be the
>Man.
>
>gotta have those hits. can't tell you nothing because you
>think you got it all figured out.
>
>growing up as a kid you listen to the radio you knew who was
>selling and who wasn't.
>
>kids today know chris brown, trey songz, rhianna, beyonce,
>lady gaga,justin bieber. ain't nothing changed there. the way
>of buying said product is different however it is the same
>system.


I like all music Maxx...Whether its commercial or underground...I'm not a drone like yourself...I'm able to appreciate a well produced/written Lady Gaga song like "Paparazzi" and turn around and dig Janelle Monae...

Follow your own soul, homie...Life is easier that way...Less bullshit...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>>Prince wanted hits and got them. of course his popularity
>>helped him and to deny that is wrong. what we dug about
>dirty
>>mind where i grew up was the lyrics and the rawness of the
>>sound, but when he blew up folks championed that as well.
>
>It's great to know that you liked Prince more when he became
>popular...Meanwhile, I was bumping dude's music hard as a kid
>with Dirty Mind and Controversy, two albums that didn't even
>go platinum until the release of Purple Rain...
>
>I guess I like what I like, huh?
>
>
>
>
>>now fast forward to 1990 at my local Bar b shop and they
>were
>>like he needs to retire because the hits dried up and that
>>vibe was gone, but when he has hitting everybody was in that
>>Groove.
>
>After 1990, Prince released Diamonds & Pearls...He sold 5
>million copies...So does that mean the magic was back?
>GTFOOH....lol
>
>
>
>>Bay city rollers didn't get no play around my way. they had
>a
>>couple of cute hits.
>
>Bay City Rollers sold a shit load of albums Maxx...I'm just
>going by your warped thinking....They sold more than Prince,
>right?...So that means their music meant more, right? The same
>way Milli Vanilli sold way more albums than Jodeci....They
>must have been better, even before we found out they were
>fakes...
>
>Your logic, not mine...
>
>
>>
>>cats don't get into the music industry by accident you want
>to
>>be rich and famous you want the perks and you want to be the
>>Man.
>>
>>gotta have those hits. can't tell you nothing because you
>>think you got it all figured out.
>>




























>>selling and who wasn't.
>>
>>kids today know chris brown, trey songz, rhianna, beyonce,
>>lady gaga,justin bieber. ain't nothing changed there. the
>way
>>of buying said product is different however it is the same
>>system.
>
>
>I like all music Maxx...Whether its commercial or
>underground...I'm not a drone like yourself...I'm able to
>appreciate a well produced/written Lady Gaga song like
>"Paparazzi" and turn around and dig Janelle Monae...
>
>Follow your own soul, homie...Life is easier that way...Less
>bullshit...














that Brother who put you in your place last week was so right, you self pompious jive turkey.

i listen to Prince all the way back in 78. i knew a couple who owned a record store and they personally gave me a picture of Prince at the for you album release party. you see Prince had marketable music on his releases.

Prince got much play on the radio,etc.. i mean the guy was on American Bandstand ain't nothing underground about being on no Dick Clark and I watched that performance,etc.. Prince was saturday night live which i saw back in the day not underground same with solid gold. i'm talking seeing him on shows from 79-82 before he blew up so Miss me with your takes. 1)

Milli Vanilli made better overall catchy songs than Jodeci. most folks only know "forever my lady" and come and talk to me" from there debut album. MV had a genius concept for the faces matching the voices that was a heck of a hustle Clive Davis and Arista put down back then and the biz was in on it. girl you know its true was a cut that was one of the first songs i played on a Keyboard. that cut was cool. 2)

Diamonds and Pearls worldwide did 5 million copies and it stil didn't bring him back back. he did the special olympics and he still did "baby I'm a star" and when he did Arsenio Hall and other appearences he was carefully showcasing that album but doing his hits medley. proves he knew he needed the hits to sell his thing. 3)

Bay City rollers have alot of fans. why i gotta be warped? alot of folks feel that way about things.

call me names turkey but i can back up my stuff. i don't care about all kinds of music because that is a contradiction if there ever was one, because music is music period and it is a musical stew that can represent so many things as one and to say i like all kinds of music is contradicting yourself because the industry promotes the seperate label and gives music titles. i take the Duke ELlington way its either good or bad to me, not no style.

Lady Gaga got a Career going and she has to keep it there or she will be like Janelle a gimmick and no songs big difference. 4)

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>that Brother who put you in your place last week was so right,
>you self pompious jive turkey.


I'm pompous because I'm calling your sales = quality viewpoint warped? ...Well, color my black ass pompous...


>i listen to Prince all the way back in 78. i knew a couple who
>owned a record store and they personally gave me a picture of
>Prince at the for you album release party. you see Prince had
>marketable music on his releases.


Standing ovation...


>Prince got much play on the radio,etc.. i mean the guy was on
>American Bandstand ain't nothing underground about being on no
>Dick Clark and I watched that performance,etc.. Prince was
>saturday night live which i saw back in the day not
>underground same with solid gold. i'm talking seeing him on
>shows from 79-82 before he blew up so Miss me with your takes.
>1)

You don't read entire posts do you...I even mentioned how Prince on his second album was getting that mainstream love...But as soon as he went left with Dirty Mind that love was dead...

So again, I'm going by your warped view point here...Was Dirty Mind any less good or great just because the pop world and the traditional R&B contingent did not buy an album? Was it any less because it didn't go gold at the time it was released?

That's the question homie...ANSWER that one when you can....



>Milli Vanilli made better overall catchy songs than Jodeci.
>most folks only know "forever my lady" and come and talk to
>me" from there debut album. MV had a genius concept for the
>faces matching the voices that was a heck of a hustle Clive
>Davis and Arista put down back then and the biz was in on it.
>girl you know its true was a cut that was one of the first
>songs i played on a Keyboard. that cut was cool. 2)
>
>Diamonds and Pearls worldwide did 5 million copies and it stil
>didn't bring him back back. he did the special olympics and he
>still did "baby I'm a star" and when he did Arsenio Hall and
>other appearences he was carefully showcasing that album but
>doing his hits medley. proves he knew he needed the hits to
>sell his thing. 3)
>
>Bay City rollers have alot of fans. why i gotta be warped?
>alot of folks feel that way about things.
>
>call me names turkey but i can back up my stuff. i don't care
>about all kinds of music because that is a contradiction if
>there ever was one, because music is music period and it is a
>musical stew that can represent so many things as one and to
>say i like all kinds of music is contradicting yourself
>because the industry promotes the seperate label and gives
>music titles. i take the Duke ELlington way its either good or
>bad to me, not no style.
>
>Lady Gaga got a Career going and she has to keep it there or
>she will be like Janelle a gimmick and no songs big
>difference. 4)


I like moments from both acts, Maxx...You on the other hand are showing yourself to be a follower, something that I never viewed from you...I mean, Sun Ra never released a platinum album in his life...Yet I know dude was a monster...

I guess I'm taken aback by how much of a follower you are...

Who knew?

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>
>>that Brother who put you in your place last week was so
>right,
>>you self pompious jive turkey.
>
>
>I'm pompous because I'm calling your sales = quality viewpoint
>warped? ...Well, color my black ass pompous...
>
>
>>i listen to Prince all the way back in 78. i knew a couple
>who
>>owned a record store and they personally gave me a picture
>of
>>Prince at the for you album release party. you see Prince
>had
>>marketable music on his releases.
>
>
>Standing ovation...
>
>
>>Prince got much play on the radio,etc.. i mean the guy was
>on
>>American Bandstand ain't nothing underground about being on
>no
>>Dick Clark and I watched that performance,etc.. Prince was
>>saturday night live which i saw back in the day not
>>underground same with solid gold. i'm talking seeing him on
>>shows from 79-82 before he blew up so Miss me with your
>takes.
>>1)
>
>You don't read entire posts do you...I even mentioned how
>Prince on his second album was getting that mainstream
>love...But as soon as he went left with Dirty Mind that love
>was dead...
>
>So again, I'm going by your warped view point here...Was Dirty
>Mind any less good or great just because the pop world and the
>traditional R&B contingent did not buy an album? Was it any
>less because it didn't go gold at the time it was released?
>
>That's the question homie...ANSWER that one when you can....
>
>
>
>>Milli Vanilli made better overall catchy songs than Jodeci.
>>most folks only know "forever my lady" and come and talk to
>>me" from there debut album. MV had a genius concept for the
>>faces matching the voices that was a heck of a hustle Clive
>>Davis and Arista put down back then and the biz was in on
>it.
>>girl you know its true was a cut that was one of the first
>>songs i played on a Keyboard. that cut was cool. 2)
>>
>>Diamonds and Pearls worldwide did 5 million copies and it
>stil
>>didn't bring him back back. he did the special olympics and
>he
>>still did "baby I'm a star" and when he did Arsenio Hall and
>>other appearences he was carefully showcasing that album but
>>doing his hits medley. proves he knew he needed the hits to
>>sell his thing. 3)
>>
>>Bay City rollers have alot of fans. why i gotta be warped?
>>alot of folks feel that way about things.
>>
>>call me names turkey but i can back up my stuff. i don't
>care
>>about all kinds of music because that is a contradiction if
>>there ever was one, because music is music period and it is
>a
>>musical stew that can represent so many things as one and to
>>say i like all kinds of music is contradicting yourself
>>because the industry promotes the seperate label and gives
>>music titles. i take the Duke ELlington way its either good
>or
>>bad to me, not no style.
>>
>>Lady Gaga got a Career going and she has to keep it there or
>>she will be like Janelle a gimmick and no songs big
>>difference. 4)
>
>
>I like moments from both acts, Maxx...You on the other hand
>are showing yourself to be a follower, something that I never
>viewed from you...I mean, Sun Ra never released a platinum
>album in his life...Yet I know dude was a monster...
>
>I guess I'm taken aback by how much of a follower you are...
>
>Who knew?
>


i'm not a follower i do my own thing and have my own views. i dug sun ra as well bought his stuff and so forth.i stand by the Duke Ellington statement because it is either good or bad and that ain't following that is leading by my own mind and logic.

obviously I'm far from a follower on here when i can successfully defend Lionel B.Richie and Robert S.Kelly. what about them says following with the hate they get on here? 1)

i thought and still think that Dirty Mind was the most important Album that Prince made for his career. it was a great album and uptown was a R&B hit.

without that album Prince would have been headed in Jermaine Jackson teritory, he needed that album to make a statement. 2)

thing Prince was still signed to the William Morris agency and had the money on him so no he wasn't dead because he was going to tour and he was around during a time when labels would invest up to 5 albums and allow you the creative freedom,etc.. so no you might need to re think that one. 3)

i'm my own man ain't nobody else like me.

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>i'm not a follower i do my own thing and have my own views. i
>dug sun ra as well bought his stuff and so forth.i stand by
>the Duke Ellington statement because it is either good or bad
>and that ain't following that is leading by my own mind and
>logic.


I like music Maxx...I don't categorize...I dig Duke, dig Sun Ra, dig Kanye, dig Miles, dig Rakim, dig Aretha, dig Basehead, dig Bad Brains, dig the Clash, dig Burt Bachrach, dig MJ, dig Prince, dig Johnny Cash, dig Kellz, dig the Clash, dig the Weekend, dig Madonna, dig Grace Jones, dig Joni Mitchell, dig Frank Ocean, dig Van Hunt, dig Def Leppard, dig '80s Phil Collins and some of Lionel's 80s work?

See how that works?


>obviously I'm far from a follower on here when i can
>successfully defend Lionel B.Richie and Robert S.Kelly. what
>about them says following with the hate they get on here? 1)


No...you are a a dude who enjoys going after the OKP's sacred cows...And to do so, you bring up very commercial acts, most of which I have no beef with...And I'll say it again...I respect the fact that you take a stand on such things...But you allow your own bias viewpoints to poison the stew...Add your own hypocrisy on why you hate certain acts and it turns into a clusterfuck of epic proportions...


>i thought and still think that Dirty Mind was the most
>important Album that Prince made for his career. it was a
>great album and uptown was a R&B hit.
>
>without that album Prince would have been headed in Jermaine
>Jackson teritory, he needed that album to make a statement.
>2)
>
>thing Prince was still signed to the William Morris agency and
>had the money on him so no he wasn't dead because he was going
>to tour and he was around during a time when labels would
>invest up to 5 albums and allow you the creative freedom,etc..
>so no you might need to re think that one. 3)
>
>i'm my own man ain't nobody else like me.


Smokescreen Maxx...

Do you love music because you like it and not just because it sold 20 million copies? Or do you love music because YOU love it beyond if it moves 1 copy and gets played on every radio station?

That's the only question that needs to be asked and answered...Anything else is bullshit...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

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What the blood claaat ???

take MJ back in the day and I love Off the wall and thriller and those are two great albums and two of the greatest ever albums ever made period. those things went hand in hand.

i wore those records out becuase it was Great music and those songs hitting and impacting lives made it all a beautiful expereience to be a part of. it worked hand in hand.

i made musical friends through that music touching lives, etc..

me and my buddys would moonwalk to "Rock with you" back in the day and talk about the harmonys and changes and also the song was a great song.

it being a hit felt good. from a racial perspective it did go hand in hand because to see an Artist get that respect especially when you knew they were the truth and it being showcased as such felt good.

yeah I loved it when MJ won all those awards and dominanted, however the songs were there and they were great.

Stevie had it like that, Lionel did, Prince back then Rick, marvin, earth wind and fire, isleys, R.Kelly has that, Aretha, etc..

those things back in the day went hand in hand.

when Snoop blew up he had a classic album and the songs and it was embraced etc.. it use to go hand in hand being on the pulse. your boys Run DMC had it like that. don't act like you can't relate to that point because when acts did the take over they had the cuts and they were hitting with folks as a two for 1 deal.

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You didn't answer the question...

Do you like the music on its own merits? Or do you like music because the record sells told you it was cool to dig it?

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obvisouly on its own merit because the songs have to be there period. if the material aint there then i ain't there.

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>>in a different light than the one I've been conditioned for
>>since my wee years.
>
>
>What condition are you pertaining to, though?

and grew up with classic rock as my first love. Along with both of those things comes a lot of baggage regarding perceptions of older music.

Those perceptions aren't incorrect, but rather filtered through a lens which amplifies certain characteristics that reinforce certain stereotypes, musical and otherwise. Over time those stereotypes have taken over and artists who don't meet them have either been retrofitted, or eliminated from the conversation.


>Of course you have your elitists out there who shit on
>anything "popular" for the sake of boosting up lesser known
>acts...This is one extreme...And one that I don't share....
>
>But you want to know the other extreme? Someone who clutches
>onto record sales and popularity as the ruling stick for the
>quality of music...
>
>What Maxx is saying is the latter...

ideally one can strike a balance. Maxxx's posting over the years has provided a counterbalance to a lot of tendencies shared by a lot of posters here, and his reasoning can easily be applied beyond the bulk of music discussed on the Lesson. Neither measuring stick is 'correct,' and it's useful to be reminded that neither by itself gives us the whole picture of any point in time or culture.

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fuck you.

What the blood claaat ???

well thank you i'll look into that.

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