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"So did Ciara get dropped by Jive or not?"


  

          

Anybody know?

(Anybody care?)

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All jazze pha wanted her to do was let him get on top
Feb 10th 2011
1
did she ever explain why she left dude?
Feb 10th 2011
23
      Probably got tired of her adlibs
Feb 15th 2011
103
Who were the people on here calling her the next Janet?
Feb 10th 2011
2
lol ...i remember that bullshit.
Feb 10th 2011
3
I'm not sure why people (myself included) are so invested
Feb 10th 2011
4
Well that fact Janet is a Jackson didn't hurt
Feb 10th 2011
16
cosign
Feb 15th 2011
100
Act like janet would survive in this industry
Feb 10th 2011
5
Rihanna is surviving so I'm pretty sure Janet would be ok
Feb 10th 2011
17
      true.
Feb 10th 2011
18
           and these days, isn't Janet really going the 'diva' route?
Feb 10th 2011
21
                Yeah, she's singing while sitting on a stool now
Feb 10th 2011
22
                     i'm afraid of this.
Feb 10th 2011
30
                     Wait a minute she's what?!?
Feb 11th 2011
38
.... She's more like a fake-ass Aaliyah...
Feb 10th 2011
6
its amazing how she went from "goodies" to every song is about fuckin
Feb 10th 2011
7
      yea i totally don't get that either
Feb 10th 2011
10
      nowadays, nothing surprises me.
Feb 10th 2011
14
      what post?
Feb 12th 2011
66
      however they wanna spin it, 'Goodies' is about fucking as well
Feb 10th 2011
25
           actually, I think 'Goodies' might be about NOT fucking.
Feb 10th 2011
27
                it is but the whole 'u wish u could fuck but u can't' approach
Feb 11th 2011
33
                     it was just a better song and more subtly written than what she does
Feb 11th 2011
36
                          the 'memorable' part to me was more just a byproduct of Lil Jon's sound
Feb 11th 2011
58
I love that chick. IMHOP Baddest chick in the game.
Feb 10th 2011
8
LOL this says a lot about her fanbase and her career.
Feb 10th 2011
9
      i mean....ppl straight abandoned her after her 2nd album.
Feb 10th 2011
12
           ding!
Feb 10th 2011
13
                i felt so bad for her watching the "love/sex/magic" video
Feb 10th 2011
15
                     that video proved her career was over. like you said, DESPERATE
Feb 10th 2011
24
Who knows
Feb 10th 2011
11
wait....so ciara was on the same label as britney spears?
Feb 10th 2011
19
LOL
Feb 10th 2011
20
y'all know way more about Ciara than I do, damn
Feb 10th 2011
26
hey man, "promise" was a cut, eff what ya heard
Feb 10th 2011
29
      That's easily one of my favorite songs ever.
Feb 11th 2011
37
Does that mean Lil Bow Wow won?
Feb 10th 2011
28
^ underated reply in post ^
Feb 15th 2011
98
Ciara was corny and a ringtone lucky act
Feb 10th 2011
31
LOL
Feb 11th 2011
35
I think her run was a little better than Ashanti
Feb 11th 2011
41
Ashanti did better on the album side
Feb 11th 2011
53
I liked Ashanti singles and featuring
Feb 13th 2011
67
If true, we're one-step closer to a Playboy layout
Feb 11th 2011
32
I thought I was a Ciara fan but I think I'm just a Jazze Pha fan?
Feb 11th 2011
34
Im pretty sure I've never heard anything from her
Feb 11th 2011
39
How could you not have heard any Ciara?
Feb 11th 2011
40
No man
Feb 11th 2011
42
      ah ok.
Feb 11th 2011
43
only 2 songs you ever need to hear by ciara:
Feb 11th 2011
44
'Oh' is 1 of the worst.
Feb 11th 2011
45
You guys pretty much did the track list for Ciara's greatest hits lol
Feb 11th 2011
46
LOL
Feb 11th 2011
47
i know, right?
Feb 11th 2011
48
LMAO
Feb 11th 2011
50
You're wrong
Feb 11th 2011
55
Sony released a Fugees compilation
Feb 11th 2011
56
ODB has a greatest hits featuring the Mariah remix & songs off his 2 LPs
Feb 11th 2011
59
      wow!
Feb 11th 2011
60
      Tim Dog has a 5-cd greatest hits boxset!!!
Feb 11th 2011
62
      hahahaha.
Feb 14th 2011
69
      BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Feb 11th 2011
63
a greatest hits collection will prove she's been dropped.
Feb 14th 2011
70
lmao. greatest hits 12" and shit.
Feb 11th 2011
64
well let me put it this way: only 2 songs i ever have 2 hear by her.
Feb 11th 2011
51
C.R.U.S.H. is one of the best tracks she's ever done
Feb 14th 2011
93
ha
Feb 11th 2011
49
      no, she doesn't.
Feb 11th 2011
52
      nope. that's as good as it gets.
Feb 11th 2011
54
to answer your question seriously...
Feb 13th 2011
68
A friend in the industry confirmed it
Feb 11th 2011
57
RE:YEAH she's getting dropped
Feb 12th 2011
65
We need a sequel to that one video. Thats all I care about.
Feb 11th 2011
61
Is that real ?
Feb 14th 2011
71
link don't work.
Feb 14th 2011
72
      I find that strange, maybe it's more common than I think
Feb 14th 2011
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           HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Feb 14th 2011
74
           LOL
Feb 14th 2011
75
           OMG. LOL
Feb 14th 2011
76
           *DEAD*
Feb 14th 2011
77
           lol that's like a maxxx joke but for real
Feb 14th 2011
91
           Hole up..that shit is real??
Feb 16th 2011
109
also, "mama, i want to sing" leaked on the internets.
Feb 14th 2011
78
oh shit... I forgot all about that movie.
Feb 14th 2011
79
i never forgot about it lol
Feb 14th 2011
81
      I remember they had a trailer with NO footage in it
Feb 14th 2011
83
           that ain't Ciara's voice.
Feb 14th 2011
84
           Oh DEFINITELY
Feb 14th 2011
85
they actually made that movie???
Feb 14th 2011
80
      YES. with lynn whitfield, billy zane, and patti labelle.
Feb 14th 2011
82
The way y'all build these artists then violently knock them down is
Feb 14th 2011
86
who the fuck built up CIARA in The Lesson? GTFOH
Feb 14th 2011
88
you'll have to name names w/this 1, chief.
Feb 14th 2011
89
& then he mentioned nicki minaj & rihanna
Feb 14th 2011
92
      No, I posted on the right one
Feb 15th 2011
101
           You didn't answer the question.
Feb 15th 2011
102
                Are you blind?
Feb 17th 2011
111
                     lol....you're a fucking idiot.
Feb 17th 2011
112
                          If your dumb ass read my post, you would saw that it was directed
Feb 17th 2011
113
^^^Tracie Spencer
Feb 14th 2011
90
yo....u realize this is the lesson man
Feb 15th 2011
106
All u shittin on her tawnbout she only got 2 songs
Feb 14th 2011
87
as i said above, i *bought* evolution.
Feb 15th 2011
96
She lost herself and her audience has just about moved on
Feb 14th 2011
94
Dude is good for a cut here and there
Feb 15th 2011
97
It's official now
Feb 15th 2011
95
She went Hollywood
Feb 15th 2011
99
Her "naked" but not quite naked pics hurt her too
Feb 15th 2011
104
which quote naked unquote pics?
Feb 15th 2011
105
The Vibe joints I'm assuming
Feb 16th 2011
107
      oh , okay... those don't count then.
Feb 16th 2011
108
I disagree...
Feb 17th 2011
110

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1. "All jazze pha wanted her to do was let him get on top"
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since she left that nigga her career has been a downward spiral, and finally Jiv said 3 Lp's of underperformance time to cut losses.

Wanna hit it from the back, she agreed that im looney,but proceed to moon me, IM GETTIN MONEY NIGGA (c) King Jaffe Joffer

  

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23. "did she ever explain why she left dude?"
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103. "Probably got tired of her adlibs"
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2. "Who were the people on here calling her the next Janet?"
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I really need to start taking notes lol
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3. "lol ...i remember that bullshit."
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4. "I'm not sure why people (myself included) are so invested"
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in this Ciara saga.

For me, I know it's not because I wish Ciara ill in any way, but it's just that she seems to epitomize a certain era in the music business... and watching the downward trajectory of her career is like literally watching the music industry crumble.

If Ciara gets dropped, it becomes official that the Age of the Video Star is over.

(And I'm not sure what it means for Janet's future albums considering that Cici is cut from the Janet mold... probably nothing; Janet is trying to change her steez anyway)

Also, I guess Ciara is compelling because despite the fact that it's been clear to everybody that she's been in trouble the past few years, she insists on putting up the appearance that nothing is wrong and hasn't attempted to adapt to the changing market at all.

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16. "Well that fact Janet is a Jackson didn't hurt"
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but she was more than a video star... let's not act like that girl didn't string together some classic or close to classic albums. Having one of the best producer teams ever while they were in their prime was huge. Ciara has basically rode the coattails of a couple singles for years now. Sooner or later her career was going to come to a stop just off the fact she hasn't released anything worth a damn since album #2.
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100. "cosign "
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5. "Act like janet would survive in this industry"
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Janet was a video darling, video don't mean shit anymore, so to laugh at Ciara is foolish, Janet's success had more to do with her video than any talent she had, her stage show game was the beginning of the coregrapher plans out my whole show feel that Usher/Britney template.

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17. "Rihanna is surviving so I'm pretty sure Janet would be ok"
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If she was coming the same way now as she did in her prime. It's all about the songs and Janet had songs for days.
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18. "true."
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>It's all about the songs and Janet had songs for days.

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21. "and these days, isn't Janet really going the 'diva' route?"
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I don't have the depth of knowledge/experience wit her you guys do (my little sister at age 12 or so jamming to 'Nasty Boys' = hard to overcome), but it seems to me that over the past few years she's really refocusing her image on elegance, like she's setting out to conquer the Quiet Storm market instead of remaining a pop star.

I want to make a crack about dueting on standards with Rod Stewart. *shrug*

Long story sort I say she's a big enough star, and nipplegate is far enough behind her, that any declining video appeal is overcomeable with good marketing and material.

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22. "Yeah, she's singing while sitting on a stool now"
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LOL

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30. "i'm afraid of this."
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it's 1 reason i wasn't willing to drop $170 to see her upcoming concert.

i remember this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tr0G7TDIhM

fuck you.

  

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38. "Wait a minute she's what?!?"
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I'm going to that damn show.

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6. ".... She's more like a fake-ass Aaliyah..."
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.. Let a nigga not hate too much and say I'd definitely holla.

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7. "its amazing how she went from "goodies" to every song is about fuckin"
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on her new album... like literally...


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10. "yea i totally don't get that either"
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14. "nowadays, nothing surprises me."
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shit, she could have been in micMajestic's post

  

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66. "what post?"
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25. "however they wanna spin it, 'Goodies' is about fucking as well"
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she's been selling sex since she got in the door.

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27. "actually, I think 'Goodies' might be about NOT fucking."
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33. "it is but the whole 'u wish u could fuck but u can't' approach"
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is still about fucking.......and another form of selling sex, just this time in the 'look but dont touch' capacity>

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36. "it was just a better song and more subtly written than what she does"
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now.

really though it was just that her new songs seem to lack any sort of memorable content.

  

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58. "the 'memorable' part to me was more just a byproduct of Lil Jon's sound"
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I never really liked that song much though so maybe I'm the wrong person to comment on it.

I don't really consider Ciara to be much more of an act worth studying as anyone like Regina, Tiffany, Cathy Dennis, Ashanti or any other dance-pop or pop-r&b 'artist' of past generations.

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8. "I love that chick. IMHOP Baddest chick in the game. "
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Having said that, I haven't listen to her last 3 albums.

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9. "LOL this says a lot about her fanbase and her career."
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>Having said that, I haven't listen to her last 3 albums.

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12. "i mean....ppl straight abandoned her after her 2nd album."
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i BOUGHT her 2nd album. BOUGHT it. that was 2006, granted, the last year ppl bought albums. i actually liked it a lot.

but when she came back, she was just.....wack. trying too hard, being uninteresting & very generic. she waited too long to come out w/an album, and rihanna had completely crowded out the not-beyonce space for black pop chicks.

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13. "ding!"
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>but when she came back, she was just.....wack. trying too
>hard, being uninteresting & very generic. she waited too long
>to come out w/an album, and rihanna had completely crowded out
>the not-beyonce space for black pop chicks.

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15. "i felt so bad for her watching the "love/sex/magic" video"
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after her collabo with t-pain completely & utterly flopped, it just REEKED of desperation. collab w/JT, p-pop all over the video....it was just sad. & then even THAT was barely a hit. yet she doubled down on that on the next project w/"ride."

her career makes me yearn for the days when artists figured they couldn't make a career out of music, and when you did the "where are they now?" segments, they were off doing something COMPLETELY non-music related like being a lawyer or owning a light mfg company lol*. now folks jump through hoops to try to stretch that 15 minutes out for as long as possible.

*like on unsung, 1 of the members of heatwave (i think) left to become a stockbroker. really? that's unthinkable nowadays.

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24. "that video proved her career was over. like you said, DESPERATE"
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11. "Who knows"
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I think fucking 50cent really killed her career, He's like a virus at this point and she's infected.

  

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19. "wait....so ciara was on the same label as britney spears?"
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i guess they couldn't shepherd two dancers who can't sing at the same time. triage dictated that they would concentrated on the one more likely to make them more money.

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20. "LOL"
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26. "y'all know way more about Ciara than I do, damn "
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there's folks in here that own Ciara albums?

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29. "hey man, "promise" was a cut, eff what ya heard"
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37. "That's easily one of my favorite songs ever."
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She hasn't made many enjoyable songs past that, but that was her peak.

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28. "Does that mean Lil Bow Wow won?"
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98. "^ underated reply in post ^"
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Drokayplayer ™


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31. "Ciara was corny and a ringtone lucky act"
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in the same boat as Ashanti and both counted for a couple of years each and then went wood.

Ciara's albums went glad bag and Jive sent and Her Bow Wow with a Perm looking self packing See Ya!!

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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35. "LOL"
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>Ciara's albums went glad bag and Jive sent and Her Bow Wow
>with a Perm looking self packing See Ya!!

  

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41. "I think her run was a little better than Ashanti"
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but not by much.... that's actually a pretty good comparison
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53. "Ashanti did better on the album side"
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Ciara had big hits, but she didn't have the album thang going for her as Ashanti. I mean Ashanti got 4 albums including a Christmas Album out before her ship sanked.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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67. "I liked Ashanti singles and featuring"
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32. "If true, we're one-step closer to a Playboy layout"
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34. "I thought I was a Ciara fan but I think I'm just a Jazze Pha fan?"
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Found a 2008 cut by Girlicious that Jazze Pha wrote and produced. I don't know if it was a single or whatever cuz I don't know who Girlicious is. But it reminded me of old Ciara.

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39. "Im pretty sure I've never heard anything from her"
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I saw that "Ride" video but the sound was off, what are her 3 best songs ?

  

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40. "How could you not have heard any Ciara?"
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You sound like you go to the club regularly... Even in France, I'm sure "Goodies" and 1,2 Step" at least must have gotten play, if nothing else...

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42. "No man"
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I went to regular club like 5 times last year, well maybe more if I include the holidays but I barely discover any songs at the club, I've never asked my friends "what's that song they're playing ?". Maybe I heard one of her songs but I honestly can't remember. I couldn't hum or name one of her track to save my live. I know she's cute and a bit manish when she moves but that's all.

  

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43. "ah ok."
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> I know she's cute and a bit manish when
>she moves but that's all.

LOL

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44. "only 2 songs you ever need to hear by ciara:"
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"oh" featuring ludacris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSYCI4K5qGM
"promise": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcGWy7xUZQE

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45. "'Oh' is 1 of the worst."
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Goodies...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtC92pzp5vw

1, 2 Step...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EcHjq1W8v4

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46. "You guys pretty much did the track list for Ciara's greatest hits lol"
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First ever Greatest hits EP
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47. "LOL "
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>First ever Greatest hits EP

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48. "i know, right?"
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LOL

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50. "LMAO"
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55. "You're wrong"
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>First ever Greatest hits EP

Fu-Schnickens & Shaq both have greatest hits releases.

Actually, Jive issues greatest hits for everyone. And we've yet to see Ciara's greatest hits, so maybe you're right.

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56. "Sony released a Fugees compilation "
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even though the group only has 2 albums of material.

LOL @ that.

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59. "ODB has a greatest hits featuring the Mariah remix & songs off his 2 LPs"
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Cappadonna has a greatest hits as well.

I think Brandy has a double-disc length Anthology.

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60. "wow!"
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LOL

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62. "Tim Dog has a 5-cd greatest hits boxset!!!"
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http://www.tradebit.com/filedetail.php/114885625-greatest-hits

To be fair, I think (hope) it is only available digitally on sites like Itunes and Spotify but still...

  

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69. "hahahaha."
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63. "BWAHAHAHAHAHA"
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>I think Brandy has a double-disc length Anthology.

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70. "a greatest hits collection will prove she's been dropped."
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64. "lmao. greatest hits 12" and shit."
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51. "well let me put it this way: only 2 songs i ever have 2 hear by her."
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LOL. i really, really loved the beat to "oh." i desperately wanted a rap remix to it with all ATL rappers, but that never came to be.

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93. "C.R.U.S.H. is one of the best tracks she's ever done"
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49. "ha"
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Im sure she has better songs than those, you know when you dig into those mainstream R&B artists you always find at least one gem. My fav on your list is promise. Goodies is alright, but I can't picture people really getting down on a song like this.

  

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52. "no, she doesn't."
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>Im sure she has better songs than those

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54. "nope. that's as good as it gets."
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'Promise' is her best song.

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68. "to answer your question seriously..."
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the best Ciara songs are:

I Run It
Promise
You Can Get It

...these stand head and shoulders above the rest. Amazing songs.

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57. "A friend in the industry confirmed it"
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65. "RE:YEAH she's getting dropped"
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She made a "NIGGER" album and was released amongst giants. They( JIVE) wasn't fucking with that MJ album and then R.kelly as well. Plus Kanye and Nicki wiped they funk on the charts and Eminem still has his sperm on the charts. BET banned the video and the other video was too much like a mix of janet videography. Her album is hot but not over the top compared to the material relesed on the saame date. The sales goes to her team though and little to the label so that's the good thing. I think she's going on tour. I think she was done it took too long to record the album still this was her baby and the fanbase couldn't push the sales harder but it's going to sell for the long time. I'm sure she'll get signed to Def jam or Universal

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61. "We need a sequel to that one video. Thats all I care about."
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71. "Is that real ? "
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http://sandrarose.com/images6/ciara_KFC.jpg

I found this yesterday, I hope it's a joke

  

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72. "link don't work."
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73. "I find that strange, maybe it's more common than I think"
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74. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!"
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*sighs* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!


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75. "LOL"
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76. "OMG. LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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77. "*DEAD*"
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91. "lol that's like a maxxx joke but for real"
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109. "Hole up..that shit is real??"
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78. "also, "mama, i want to sing" leaked on the internets."
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the movie was produced in maybe 2008, yet never could quite make its way to even a DVD release, let alone theaters. now it's out on the net for anyone & everyone to see. she's having a BAD week.

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79. "oh shit... I forgot all about that movie."
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LOL I gotta check that out

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81. "i never forgot about it lol"
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cuz for the longest the website didn't even have a trailer....yet i was determined to see it through to the bitter end lmao

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83. "I remember they had a trailer with NO footage in it"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Sj0MaBGy8

I wasn't convinced they had even shot a frame of film... Those exuberant blurbs were obviously referring to the show and not the theoretical movie.

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84. "that ain't Ciara's voice."
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LOL

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85. "Oh DEFINITELY"
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>Those
>exuberant blurbs were obviously referring to the show and not
>the theoretical movie.

I need to grab the rest of the movie today....I REALLY wanna see if they tried to have Ciara act like she could actually sing. The young version of her character was ok. Pitchy.

I am glad I wasn't the only one who was mystified as to why this movie was even being made starring Ciara though.

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80. "they actually made that movie???"
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i thought it was still languishing in pre-production, never to progress to actual production. b/c it was such a horrible idea. i figured the producers/lenders saw the light and were gonna let the project die.

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82. "YES. with lynn whitfield, billy zane, and patti labelle."
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the credits gave ciara a producer credit. they just couldn't close the loop.....not sure why they couldn't even get it out on DVD, b/c the part 1 i was watching last night was high-quality video. it seemed done.

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86. "The way y'all build these artists then violently knock them down is"
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amazing.

Just a few years ago, Ciara was the toast of the town. When you thought she was winning, you were all on her ass cheeks.

Now that she's slipped on the commerical front, you act like you were never on her in the first place.

I guess Rihanna or Nicki Minaj will face the same treatment in the a year or two when the media backs away from them and finds someone else younger, hotter and dumber to hype up.

  

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88. "who the fuck built up CIARA in The Lesson? GTFOH"
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89. "you'll have to name names w/this 1, chief."
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b/c i don't remember many Lessonaires being on her jock when she came out.

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92. "& then he mentioned nicki minaj & rihanna"
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as if posters in the lesson are giving them mad props, too. lol. i think he posted that on the wrong message board.

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101. "No, I posted on the right one"
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The fairweather adoration for Minaj and Rihanna is sickening to me. It's so fake. They only get love from OKP because they're current pop-media darlings. Not because they make great music. I expect that from Popjustice or TMZ but not a site of snarky, psuedo-intellectual music snobs.

  

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102. "You didn't answer the question."
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When was anybody here praising Ciara? Or, for that matter, RIhanna or Nicki Minaj?

There's a couple of folks here and there who like their music okay, but hardly anybody who really rides for them.

Sure, posts about them do get a lot of attention because they're both attractive women. But I've not seen any overpowering adoration for their music.

I still call bullshit.

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111. "Are you blind?"
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Go into GD right now.

There are motherfuckers (most of whom I suspect to be gay males) who were ready to bite my head off when I suggested that Nicki isn't all that. Or that her "achievements" aren't as impressive as they delude themselves in believing that they are.

Ditto with Rihanna.

They get tons of praise around these parts. Their only distractors are the types who turn their noses up at anything commercial. But since OKPs are so obsessed with an artist's record sales and level of fame, they may be in the minority.

  

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112. "lol....you're a fucking idiot."
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(1) nobody in the lesson is riding hard for any of those people
(2) nobody in that GD post is riding for nicki minaj; they're calling out your lack of logical reasoning skills.
(3) you're a fucking idiot.

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113. "If your dumb ass read my post, you would saw that it was directed"
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at people in general. Not OKP specifically, you dumb ass. READ next time.

And Nicki's fake ass gets kissed all over this site. You and the rest of her gay male bastion were ready to lynch me in one post over there when I pointed out that her "success" wasn't all that impressive. So, please STFU. And your posts show who the true idiot is. LOL.

  

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90. "^^^Tracie Spencer"
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106. "yo....u realize this is the lesson man"
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....there is now way ciara was ever built up like that smh....

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87. "All u shittin on her tawnbout she only got 2 songs"
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must aint heard Evolution

Crush knocked too.

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96. "as i said above, i *bought* evolution."
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but if i were to choose songs by ciara that someone should hear -- the tippy-top of her output -- she gets 3 songs. most of the stuff on evolution is fun & cool, but forgettable.

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94. "She lost herself and her audience has just about moved on"
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She was poised to be the next urban pop star and she tried waaay too hard to just be a pop star. She lost the urban edge that made her dope. That and a whole album with The Dream wasn't a good idea...btw how the hell is dude still doing whole albums. He had bad results Ciara, Mariah, that wack ass Vanity Six clone group he tried to put together. Dude, must have a hell of an agent...but I digress. Bottom line, if she stayed in her lane then she would have been cool. She tried too hard to take it to the next level before she had a solid fanbase that would follow her.

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97. "Dude is good for a cut here and there"
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but for a full length? His songwriting sucks. Beat-wise I think he does some interesting things but sometimes his steeze just seems like a forced combo of faux Prince, faux Kells and a whole lot of other stuff in between.

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95. "It's official now"
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http://www.rap-up.com/2011/02/14/ciara-prays-for-label-to-release-her/


Shooting back at rumors that Jive Records had dropped Ciara from its roster, the R&B princess is telling her side of the story. In a Facebook post on her page, CiCi tells her fans that she has asked to be released from her contract with Jive after they failed to give her control over decisions regarding her past two albums. She explains that with her latest single “Gimmie That,” the label tried to prevent the track from getting play on the radio and that she had to fund its promotion out of her own pocket. Get the full scoop from Ciara herself.


This week the net has been a buzz of the rumor that I have been dropped from my label. At this point that rumor is false.. It is true that I have asked and I pray that my label will release me. I have had some great times and success with my label, but sometimes like all great things, its at that point where I feel we don’t share the same views on who I am as a artist. The past two albums have been very frustrating for me. At times there were songs I chose to lead a project and I was ignored! This project, I even tried to get Gimmie Dat started I spent tens of thousands of my own money only to hear the radio pds tell me my label didn’t want the song played. I even spent more than one hundred thousand dollars out of my pocket on the video to bring my vision to it and still no label support. I do understand that some labels are not financially supporting their artists and I have become one of them. You, my fans, know that I strive to do my best to deliver to my you the best songs and creative vision I possibly can. I’m dedicated to my music, performance and to my fans! I’ve tried to be a team player with the label only to have compromised what I truly believed.. And was not given the right opportunity to promote and inform my fans of the release of this album..I have so much of me as a artist I still want to give to the world and my fans. A release would allow me to go be creative with people who care and understand me as a artist. In a short time, I will be able to bring to you a new music energy and a visual excitement! Thank you so much for standing by me through the good, bad, and the confusion. I love you all.

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99. "She went Hollywood"
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Moved out of Atlanta and tried to become the next Kardashian or Paris Hilton with a tiny dog and got LOST in the sauce. Bitch you black tho! They dont give a shit about u! She went out to L.A. and lost touch with the people. Good for her ass.

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104. "Her "naked" but not quite naked pics hurt her too"
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mainly because folks said "eh.....you look way sexier with clothes on"

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105. "which quote naked unquote pics?"
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I might have missed that...

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107. "The Vibe joints I'm assuming"
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108. "oh , okay... those don't count then."
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110. "I disagree..."
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a lot of ppl actually bought into said sexiness at that point. Those pics as I recall were all the rave and I believe it was about the time Promise dropped..

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