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"kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"


  

          

tracklist:

1. Dark Fantasy
2. Gorgeous (feat. Kid Cudi & Raekwon)
3. POWER
4. All of the Lights
5. Monster (feat. Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj & Bon Iver)
6. So Appalled (feat. Jay-Z, Pusha T, Prynce Cy Hi, Swizz Beatz & The RZA)
7. Devil In a New Dress
8. Runaway (feat. Pusha T)
9. Hell of a Life
10. Blame Game (feat. John Legend & Pusha T)
11. Lost In the World
12. See Me Now

http://itunes.apple.com/us/preorder/my-beautiful-dark-twisted/id399527640

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so he already released most of it?
Oct 23rd 2010
1
yeah that's sort of ( '_o' )
Oct 23rd 2010
2
Well he said a few times that they'd be on the album....
Oct 23rd 2010
10
      yeah, i don't monitor his every utterance...
Oct 23rd 2010
11
yea, only 4 *new* tracks... i mean, i'm sure the ones
Oct 23rd 2010
3
I wonder which one of these is the "Mama's Boyfriend" song that
Oct 23rd 2010
4
Fine go listen to The Fame Monster you 'little monster'
Oct 23rd 2010
12
      Not sure how that correlates to me liking the Mama's Boyfriend track
Oct 23rd 2010
14
RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
Oct 23rd 2010
5
^^^cosine, sine, tangent.
Oct 23rd 2010
7
but no one is even bitching about it like that
Oct 23rd 2010
17
RE: but no one is even bitching about it like that
Oct 23rd 2010
23
You're ignoring the main problem
Oct 23rd 2010
30
Big Sean stays losing
Oct 23rd 2010
6
along with really doe
Oct 30th 2010
120
he going to be on the bonus track "see me now"
Nov 15th 2010
296
this is probably incorrect. itunes does that a lot.
Oct 23rd 2010
8
I kinda hope so
Oct 23rd 2010
9
This list is bull @#!*%
Oct 23rd 2010
13
I'm sure Kanye doesn't want his album to be known
Oct 25th 2010
51
      nah, the itunes tracklist was played in the film in the exact same order...
Oct 25th 2010
63
           oh ok thanks
Oct 26th 2010
67
I've heard 10 of these 12 tracks
Oct 23rd 2010
15
He could just be messing with people who don't pay for his music.
Oct 23rd 2010
20
they had an American Gangster tracklist that ended up being
Oct 23rd 2010
16
I'm buying this because of the way he's been pushing forward.
Oct 23rd 2010
18
Artists have to submit tracklists to itunes to make
Oct 23rd 2010
19
^^^^^
Oct 23rd 2010
29
wow. suprised Drake aint a feature on here. lol
Oct 23rd 2010
21
I'm surprised he hasn't been on any of the Friday songs
Oct 25th 2010
52
thank goodness for that
Oct 31st 2010
129
Here is the full version of 'Dark Fantasy'
Oct 23rd 2010
22
Mad this is the BET cypher verse
Oct 23rd 2010
24
He only uses a few lines from the BET cypher.
Oct 23rd 2010
25
Jhene Aiko - Sailing Not Selling ft. Kanye West
Oct 23rd 2010
26
This song sucks
Oct 23rd 2010
36
you can't be serious, this is great
Oct 23rd 2010
38
yeah, rapping about nothing over a boring beat. great!
Oct 24th 2010
43
      well you all seem to love it when Marcberg or Freeway does it..
Oct 25th 2010
54
if you dont like kanye, in fact, if you hate kanye
Oct 24th 2010
48
      same reason you still post in the lesson? n/m
Oct 25th 2010
56
           is it you I have the Skins record vs Lions record bet with???
Oct 26th 2010
66
                do you know who i rep?
Oct 28th 2010
107
                     ^ best reply in post not related to post ^
Nov 09th 2010
167
                          allow me to add that y'all are gettin fucked up on Monday n/m
Nov 11th 2010
226
                               we'll see n/m
Nov 11th 2010
233
RE: Here is the full version of 'Dark Fantasy'
Nov 16th 2010
309
Here's the tracklisting from July when his album was stolen
Oct 23rd 2010
27
*two thumbs up* for "See Me Now" making the list.
Oct 23rd 2010
28
do I sense sarcasm in this one ...
Nov 11th 2010
230
yup. looks like this is it. judging from the film, @ least.
Oct 23rd 2010
31
runaway (west, 2010)
Oct 23rd 2010
32
"about thirteen to fourteen tracks" - Ye
Oct 23rd 2010
33
q+a on mtv.com
Oct 23rd 2010
34
Good lord I don't even wanna think of seeing the bill for all this...
Oct 23rd 2010
35
$3 million, according to reports
Oct 23rd 2010
37
      Yeah, I heard that figure too...
Oct 24th 2010
47
           I'm sure he looks at it as securing his career
Oct 25th 2010
50
"good morning" off graduation shits on most of the joints
Oct 24th 2010
39
The joint w/ J. Legend and that Aphex Twin sample is FIRE
Oct 24th 2010
40
whats the track at the 10 min part of the film?
Oct 24th 2010
41
Devil in a New Dress
Oct 24th 2010
49
the beat was done by Bink!
Oct 25th 2010
53
so we've already heard half of this, and most of it sucks.
Oct 24th 2010
42
the leaked tracks sound much better in their finished state
Oct 24th 2010
44
Jay-Z's verse on "Monster" is what bothers me.
Oct 24th 2010
45
      Stop searching out all of Kanye songs
Oct 24th 2010
46
im amazed at the hate. i mean. not really
Oct 25th 2010
55
you saved me my post
Oct 25th 2010
58
RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
Oct 25th 2010
57
RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
Oct 25th 2010
59
      RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
Oct 25th 2010
62
you pussies complain complain complain all day, all year
Oct 25th 2010
60
^^^^^ "powerful posting"
Oct 26th 2010
64
True true
Oct 26th 2010
69
ttp://i52.tinypic.com/nb2hi.gif
Oct 26th 2010
71
Daps to this nigga^^^^
Oct 26th 2010
72
I just don't care for Kanye's music. *Kanye shrug*
Oct 26th 2010
73
go kick rocks somewhere else then nancy god damn
Oct 26th 2010
75
      thank you
Nov 01st 2010
133
myyy nigga (c) Denzel Washington
Oct 26th 2010
74
*high fives all around*
Oct 26th 2010
78
RE: you pussies complain complain complain all day, all year
Oct 28th 2010
109
RE: you pussies complain complain complain all day, all year
Nov 11th 2010
214
^just shut The Lesson DOWN! goddamn.
Nov 12th 2010
240
he didn't shut shit down. he's a street teaming dickrider in here
Nov 18th 2010
320
      RE: he didn't shut shit down. he's a street teaming dickrider in here
Nov 24th 2010
392
you're a pussy with the lamest, most generic herb ass postering
Nov 18th 2010
321
^^^^^^^^sore thumb
Nov 27th 2010
415
well said.
Nov 24th 2010
393
^^
Nov 24th 2010
407
Pusha T 3 songs, Jay on 2
Oct 25th 2010
61
underrated gayness on this post^^
Nov 12th 2010
236
All this shit over a damn tracklisting?
Oct 26th 2010
65
The album drip drip'd?
Oct 26th 2010
68
Everything in the movie sounded awesome.
Oct 26th 2010
70
RE: Everything in the movie sounded awesome.
Oct 26th 2010
79
Phonte reviews 'Runaway' movie in a minute.
Oct 26th 2010
76
who the fuck is Phonte? this is an L before you even press play
Oct 26th 2010
77
      lol...
Oct 26th 2010
80
      im a big Kanye fan. but Tay is right. shit was a mess.
Oct 27th 2010
81
           How many short films do you watch?
Oct 27th 2010
82
           comparing runaway to lynch and fellini is an EMBARRASSMENT.
Oct 27th 2010
85
                Um...
Oct 27th 2010
92
           why are you and tay even judging it as a film
Oct 27th 2010
83
           Thank you!!
Oct 27th 2010
95
           RE: I'll prolly take flack on this board but...
Oct 28th 2010
102
some of ya'll need to be surgically removed from ye's dick.
Oct 27th 2010
84
your post was generic and you're probably a virgin.
Oct 27th 2010
86
^^ public dickrider #1
Oct 27th 2010
87
      damn dawg you got me! damn bro, got me good! shit, you did it!
Oct 27th 2010
88
           ^^ translation: "i can't think of anything to say back."
Oct 27th 2010
89
                GOD DAMN YOU ARE ON FIRE!
Oct 27th 2010
90
                     got any more 3rd grade comebacks or are you done?
Oct 27th 2010
91
RE: some of ya'll need to be surgically removed from ye's dick.
Oct 27th 2010
93
wanna wait til you hear the album or no?
Oct 27th 2010
98
http://i52.tinypic.com/2cxd85.jpg
Oct 27th 2010
94
lol
Nov 13th 2010
262
Can't wait to hear the full version of "Blame Game"
Oct 27th 2010
96
it's fine for people to not like Kanye
Oct 27th 2010
97
100% cosign.
Oct 27th 2010
99
excellent analysis
Oct 27th 2010
100
I don't know about Phonte piggy backing Kanye
Oct 27th 2010
101
Phonte has disliked Kanye for a while.....
Oct 28th 2010
105
      How do you praise someone without mentioning their name
Oct 28th 2010
108
           Found the excerpt.....
Oct 29th 2010
110
                younger cats in the game who helped to create a lane for you?
Oct 29th 2010
111
                RE: younger cats in the game who helped to create a lane for you?
Oct 30th 2010
122
                this sounds like it absolutely never happened:
Oct 29th 2010
112
                it DID happen, chutestuffer
Nov 10th 2010
191
                sheesh. that was painful to read. just seemed real salty and bitter.
Oct 30th 2010
125
                lol phonte was hating like shit
Oct 31st 2010
130
my man
Oct 28th 2010
103
      lol at dusty phonte salty 'ye ain't invite him to Hawaii
Oct 28th 2010
104
           I gotta be real with you, I don't know who Phonte is
Oct 28th 2010
106
The advance leaked today.
Oct 29th 2010
113
RE: The advance leaked today.
Oct 29th 2010
114
Got the pics (didn't see the nude) but not the album.
Oct 29th 2010
115
Twitpic. 10:39 pm EST, Oct. 29 2010. "We FInally Done"
Oct 29th 2010
116
the extra track is an interlude. Final track isn't 'See Me Now'
Oct 29th 2010
117
see, it prefer the album to work as a whole
Oct 29th 2010
119
RE: Twitpic. 10:39 pm EST, Oct. 29 2010. "We FInally Done"
Oct 30th 2010
123
      Does that mean that Pete Rock altered "Runaway"
Oct 30th 2010
124
      RE: Does that mean that Pete Rock altered "Runaway"
Oct 31st 2010
126
           RE: Does that mean that Pete Rock altered "Runaway"
Oct 31st 2010
128
      iTunes still has "See Me Now" listed as a track.
Nov 01st 2010
136
           You hope it's not offered as an Itunes bonus track?
Nov 01st 2010
137
                It's not a good song.
Nov 02nd 2010
138
                     yea you can tell I obviously love Kanye, but that's a bad song.
Nov 02nd 2010
139
after 8 years, i remain completely indifferent about the guy's music
Oct 29th 2010
118
Evidently.
Oct 30th 2010
121
samerz. my bf is CRAZY about him
Nov 13th 2010
263
This shit sounds good so far
Oct 31st 2010
127
Inbox me the site
Nov 12th 2010
248
I just realized how smart Good Fridays actually are:
Nov 01st 2010
131
and I think we'll see he's altered the leaks extensively for the album
Nov 01st 2010
132
There is a leak floating around
Nov 01st 2010
134
Nov 01st 2010
135
Rozay is on Devil in a New Dress now, it seems
Nov 02nd 2010
140
Ugh.....
Nov 03rd 2010
143
the few songs i thought i'd like, i DON'T like...
Nov 03rd 2010
141
you heard the album? damn dude inbox me please I haven't heard it
Nov 03rd 2010
142
^^^sums it up.
Nov 13th 2010
265
Final Tracklisting + iTunes bonus
Nov 03rd 2010
144
The fuck is going on with "All of the Lights"?
Nov 03rd 2010
145
pretty much that's kanye's "choir" he esembled to sing the hook.
Nov 03rd 2010
146
      Cool, I can't wait to hear "All of the Lights" all fancied up.
Nov 03rd 2010
147
i'm looking forward to it
Nov 03rd 2010
149
are those bonus tracks locks?
Nov 09th 2010
154
got a leak today
Nov 03rd 2010
148
damn, this leaked as soon as Ye dropped the final cd off
Nov 03rd 2010
150
is an "official" one out there?
Nov 03rd 2010
151
the legit clean version drip dripped
Nov 09th 2010
152
Listening to snips of this now but..
Nov 09th 2010
153
hook a brotha up
Nov 09th 2010
165
HOLY FUCK THIS ALBUM
Nov 09th 2010
155
Found the Clean
Nov 09th 2010
157
      so this is how a "pop" record is supposed to sound..
Nov 10th 2010
186
           Edit: 5:5 albums
Nov 10th 2010
190
i don't like some of these album versions of the tracks.
Nov 09th 2010
156
So glad I didn't pay too much attention to the early versions
Nov 09th 2010
158
this needs to be re-anchored
Nov 09th 2010
159
This is starting to grow on me
Nov 09th 2010
160
its godly
Nov 09th 2010
161
Love him or hate him.
Nov 09th 2010
162
this is the first album to successfully translate his live show
Nov 09th 2010
163
yup i wouldnt be surprised if the album is the setlist for his next tour
Nov 09th 2010
164
      In that Flex interview he was talking about...
Nov 09th 2010
166
Rolling Stone gave it a 5/5.
Nov 09th 2010
168
RE: Rolling Stone gave it a 5/5.
Nov 09th 2010
169
Cool, well play Kanye
Nov 10th 2010
194
hell of a life is tough as hell!
Nov 09th 2010
170
"Lost In The World" and "Blame Game" are my favorites
Nov 09th 2010
171
He's gotta satisfy DJ so he can go back by Jay w/RocNation
Nov 09th 2010
172
This album is the final nail in Detox's coffin
Nov 09th 2010
173
where's Mama's Boyfriend?
Nov 09th 2010
174
iTunes bonus track...
Nov 09th 2010
176
      it's not available on iTunes.
Nov 21st 2010
348
Real quick, is there an explicit version out there?
Nov 09th 2010
175
not that i know of
Nov 09th 2010
177
The Chris Rock part is so silly
Nov 09th 2010
178
lmao I was trying to hate on Chris, but that whole bit
Nov 09th 2010
179
can't wait to listen to this
Nov 09th 2010
180
best since Late Registration
Nov 10th 2010
181
RE: best since Late Registration
Nov 10th 2010
182
You might be right
Nov 10th 2010
183
Is this SN Lsong the same as Blame Game?
Nov 10th 2010
184
yes. avril 14th
Nov 10th 2010
185
original song:
Nov 10th 2010
187
NOOOOOO.
Nov 22nd 2010
362
When is it supposed to be released ?
Nov 10th 2010
188
nov. 22nd
Nov 10th 2010
192
Very good album.
Nov 10th 2010
189
i hate to do this buuut....inbox please
Nov 10th 2010
193
that nigga ross can't do a song without lying lol
Nov 10th 2010
195
That's not hard to believe
Nov 10th 2010
196
the magic of the lesson
Nov 10th 2010
197
      Here's the Ross/Kanye song from 2002
Nov 10th 2010
198
      yo, this ain't bad at all
Nov 11th 2010
216
      why does Ross sound like Cam'ron ???
Nov 11th 2010
231
      he use to rap like he was from NY
Nov 12th 2010
237
      Lol "The Lewis Vuitton don"
Nov 11th 2010
234
      hahaha
Nov 11th 2010
207
^^^I was thinking the same exact thing
Nov 22nd 2010
378
for me, the last rap album, and maybe the only album before this
Nov 10th 2010
199
Hell of A Life sounds El-P-ish
Nov 11th 2010
202
Althogh I don't think this album reaches the levels of ISWYD at any of t...
Nov 11th 2010
206
waiting for the explicit to leak
Nov 10th 2010
200
If Prince...(long ass set of thoughts coming)
Nov 10th 2010
201
damn, this was a great review of his album and career
Nov 11th 2010
203
      i honestly dont see how Kanye can improve from this album.
Nov 11th 2010
204
           I don't think 'Watch the Throne' will be as good as any Kanye solo
Nov 11th 2010
208
                all in all though fam ...
Nov 11th 2010
232
SMH :(
Nov 11th 2010
205
2nd listening, he killed it !
Nov 11th 2010
209
you niggas can have this album and the homo phrases you've been
Nov 11th 2010
210
what a superbly articulate and well thought out reply you offered
Nov 11th 2010
213
bite meat, turdtoughener
Nov 12th 2010
242
^My new favorite poster^
Nov 11th 2010
217
it's okay, i think people are hyping it a bit too much though
Nov 11th 2010
211
LCD Soundsystem does it better.
Nov 11th 2010
212
      Im a huge LCD fan but...
Nov 11th 2010
215
           LCD Soundsystem & Kanye would make for a great collabo
Nov 11th 2010
218
           I agree.
Nov 11th 2010
221
           RE: Im a huge LCD fan but...
Nov 11th 2010
220
           the latest LCD album isn't even good imo
Nov 14th 2010
268
explicit version is out
Nov 11th 2010
219
Good looking out but...
Nov 11th 2010
222
Retail grouprip is out...
Nov 11th 2010
223
that clean version sounded transcoded to me
Nov 11th 2010
225
are all the bonus cuts out?
Nov 11th 2010
227
      nope
Nov 11th 2010
229
this is his worst album
Nov 11th 2010
224
this albums sucks horribly, BUT...
Nov 11th 2010
228
must be good if even..
Nov 12th 2010
235
get off my balls bitch n/m
Nov 15th 2010
298
huh? it blows but it's good?
Nov 12th 2010
239
the guest appearances overshadow ANY verse from him
Nov 12th 2010
241
      idk bout that. his 2nd verse on Gorgeous is raw.
Nov 12th 2010
243
           yeah i dont even get why rae is on that track
Nov 12th 2010
244
good album, won't have the staying power as Graduation for me
Nov 12th 2010
238
RE: good album, won't have the staying power as Graduation for me
Nov 12th 2010
250
Great album. Will get an album of the year nod next year
Nov 12th 2010
245
Devil in a new DRESS.......LORD he made it better
Nov 12th 2010
246
this the kind of album that takes its time with you
Nov 12th 2010
247
What song would The Roots kill most if Kanye's on Fallon?
Nov 12th 2010
249
i havent listened to a kanye album since CD, but this is GOOD...
Nov 12th 2010
251
Twice through now. It's fucking brilliant.
Nov 12th 2010
252
RE: Twice through now. It's fucking brilliant.
Nov 12th 2010
254
ny magazine review (swipe)
Nov 12th 2010
253
the way this album flows...wow...epic
Nov 13th 2010
255
Album Of The Year
Nov 13th 2010
256
AMAZING... my only beef though,
Nov 13th 2010
257
My only beef
Nov 13th 2010
258
RE: AMAZING... my only beef though,
Nov 13th 2010
260
Listened to it for the first time this morning
Nov 13th 2010
259
this is kanye's masterpiece
Nov 13th 2010
261
RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
Nov 13th 2010
264
If you don't like this...you're gay
Nov 14th 2010
266
After a few days of listening....
Nov 14th 2010
267
"i mean the shit is, fucking ridiculous."
Nov 14th 2010
269
Seriously
Nov 27th 2010
414
let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?
Nov 14th 2010
270
RE: let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?
Nov 14th 2010
271
RE: let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?
Nov 14th 2010
272
RE: let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?
Nov 14th 2010
274
he basically shitted on the last 2 or 3 years of rap
Nov 14th 2010
275
you really have no business calling people virgins.
Nov 14th 2010
280
      the difference between you and I as this:
Nov 15th 2010
289
           calling people names isn't slamming them?
Nov 15th 2010
300
                right, because clearly I'm the only one cysed off this album
Nov 16th 2010
305
                     you aren't, but you are one of the loudest mouths in this thread
Nov 18th 2010
319
                          damn look how upset you are dude.
Nov 18th 2010
322
                               still on that "mad" card eh?
Nov 18th 2010
328
wack sauce
Nov 14th 2010
273
So, can we agree Jay is the WEAK LINK on this album?
Nov 14th 2010
276
completely and utterly disagree.
Nov 14th 2010
277
LOOOOVE. Ugh that's fucking awful.
Nov 14th 2010
278
agree %100 percent
Nov 15th 2010
294
jay slapped those tracks
Nov 15th 2010
287
Jay's verse on "Monster" is the weakest on the album.
Nov 14th 2010
279
are you guys serious?
Nov 14th 2010
282
      I consider myself a Jay fan, but yeah, I think it's corny.
Nov 14th 2010
283
      i thought it was dope too *shrugs*
Nov 14th 2010
284
      Are you asking if I get a line that's on the nose?
Nov 14th 2010
285
      i hate the first 4 bars
Nov 14th 2010
286
      I Hate "LOVE I dont get enough of it..."
Nov 17th 2010
315
      i'm with you
Nov 18th 2010
324
Rick Ross in Devil in a New Dress is the weakest verse
Nov 15th 2010
292
you have got to be kidding me.
Nov 17th 2010
311
      why you wanna know where the swamp is tho?
Nov 17th 2010
318
Easily, Kanye's BEST album
Nov 14th 2010
281
Yep...it's a classic in my eyes
Nov 15th 2010
288
Well the issue with that
Nov 18th 2010
334
I'm about 1/3 of the way through....
Nov 15th 2010
290
Were you just SO amped to post your thoughts?
Nov 15th 2010
293
      lol
Nov 15th 2010
295
      LOl miss me with that snark my friend...
Nov 16th 2010
302
           that's so wrong though..
Nov 17th 2010
313
                Your acting as though if I don't think it's great...
Nov 17th 2010
314
Ok I finished
Nov 15th 2010
291
"I treat cash the way the govt treats aids...
Nov 15th 2010
297
funny how you quoted some of his worst lines
Nov 18th 2010
325
      RE: funny how you quoted some of his worst lines
Nov 20th 2010
346
           RE: funny how you quoted some of his worst lines
Nov 24th 2010
408
Kanye backed up his egotism with this record. I give him props.
Nov 15th 2010
299
All of the Lights & Hell of a Life sound like mediocre El-P tracks
Nov 16th 2010
301
duck and cover son...
Nov 16th 2010
303
      you should use more lol's, lol
Nov 16th 2010
304
      everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Nov 16th 2010
308
      Dude, all I said was it's lame to run to the internet...
Nov 16th 2010
310
           I heard you the first time dude
Nov 17th 2010
312
                Everyone's different, no doubt, but answer me this:
Nov 18th 2010
333
                     Good points made
Nov 19th 2010
335
This is one of the best lp's i've heard in the past 5 years
Nov 16th 2010
306
yes one of the best
Nov 17th 2010
316
Anyone mind if I complain about a few things?
Nov 16th 2010
307
i don't mind, let me join you and cosign.
Nov 18th 2010
326
      Fergie's the one rapping on All of the Lights
Nov 18th 2010
330
Straight Garbage.
Nov 17th 2010
317
everyone go back and look at how pissed off Cold Truth got in here
Nov 18th 2010
323
please, i simply called your sorry ass out and that's all there is to it...
Nov 18th 2010
327
      you take message board insults more personally than anyone I've
Nov 18th 2010
329
           it was pretty real life in your posts until i ripped them to shreds
Nov 18th 2010
331
                seriously gay as the day is long, not that there's anything wrong with t...
Nov 19th 2010
336
                     his whole steeze in this thread is wack
Nov 19th 2010
338
                          you contributed nothing to this post other than ridicule of me though
Nov 19th 2010
339
                               you've contributed nothing but stannery and shit talking
Nov 19th 2010
340
                                    take it up with these professional stans then:
Nov 19th 2010
341
                                         this shows how thick headed and sensitive you are
Nov 19th 2010
343
As a collective piece of work, GOOD Friday tracks or this album?
Nov 18th 2010
332
this album is ridiculoid.
Nov 19th 2010
337
why the HELL is the joy not on this??
Nov 19th 2010
342
because it's an album and not a collection of songs..
Nov 19th 2010
344
      yes, i can actually
Nov 20th 2010
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Also, I'm going to need an instrumental version of this album
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Reading the replies in this thread is fucking hilarious...
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I think the 'unnecessary' stuff adds a unique touch
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      it maybe unique,but it made the song drag,and ruined a really good song....
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           To each his own. The LCD Soundsystem album from earlier
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Only 9 songs in...Hell of A Life just slayed me
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Pitchfork review
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.
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jesus cristo.
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      i think this is their first 10 rating for a new release since 2002
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weren't there supposed to be a bunch of itunes bonus tracks?
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There's a booklet of all the covers inside.
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Where's the Phoenix Album cover??
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i think they're INSIDE the packaging and interchangeable
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there are 5 different covers u can slide into the slot
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still have yet to listen to it...
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it sounds like the enjoyment factor is varied though
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      RE: it sounds like the enjoyment factor is varied though
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Anyone have the bonus tracks? Buying a physical copy
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RE: Anyone have the bonus tracks? Buying a physical copy
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      They were never officially put on the track list.
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           RE: They were never officially put on the track list.
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nicki on them titties when i sign it
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Amazon got the album for $3.99
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copped...
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Did Jon Brion contribute to this album???
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nah, it looks like mike dean did the majority of random instrumental
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I'm pretty sure Jeff Bhasker did most of the orchestration
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Monsters chorus should have come in right after Nikkis verse
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RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
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Amazon had it for 3.99 earlier today.
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Q-TIp did "ALL OF THE LIGHTS"?
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I heard him say on his XXL Ustream that...
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Someone didn't tell Tip.....
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You gotta appreciate the sound Ye goes for on every album....
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Outkast has been doing this since the 90s
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      True.....
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Here's my review:
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why wasn't it a double album?
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half the songs are absolutely horrible imo. and i'm a kanye stan
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listening as we speak right now
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      RE: listening as we speak right now
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      great album
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      all of the lights is Hollywood (jayz+beyonce) levels bad imo
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This record gets better with every listen
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RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
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bad examples, but i agree with your overall sentiments
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      RE: bad examples, but i agree with your overall sentiments
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           i wouldn't compare much of what blu has done outside of BTH
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           RE: i wouldn't compare much of what blu has done outside of BTH
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           Any other specific albums?
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                RE: Any other specific albums?
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                     RE: Any other specific albums?
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                     RE: Any other specific albums?
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                     you need to add BIG krit and Big boi to that
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I wish it wasn't so loud
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This.is.good.
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10/10 his best LP imo
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can anyone hip me to Mike Dean shit outside of Ye and Scareface?
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Yes he is
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i know his rap a lot work and previous Ye shit(Heaven off of The Fix)
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see: C-Bo Till My Casket Drops ..once i heard that i was a fan
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Quadruple platinum post??
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Greatness
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it's just starting to hit me how ill the "so appalled" beat is
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I would take off So Appalled and Hell of a Life....
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btw does anyone know where the SNL 2nd verse of Power went?
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Interesting writers credits in the liner notes
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Yeah I saw that too
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He added the word "dirty"...
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Drake on "All of the Lights" although he's nowhere on the album
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Ok now that the newness wore off ..this album isnt great
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silentnoah
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1. "so he already released most of it?"
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I'll still probably buy it, but c'mon.

  

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dula dibiasi
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2. "yeah that's sort of ( '_o' )"
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i'd assumed the GOOD fridays were throwaways.

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10. "Well he said a few times that they'd be on the album...."
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dula dibiasi
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11. "yeah, i don't monitor his every utterance..."
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hence, my disappointment.

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DonWonJusuton
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3. "yea, only 4 *new* tracks... i mean, i'm sure the ones"
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we've heard will be enhanced, but that's still a little surprising and a bit disappointing.. still, i'm really looking forward to seeing how it all comes together

  

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4. "I wonder which one of these is the "Mama's Boyfriend" song that"
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he recited on facebook. I was really looking forward to an album with
that kind of shit. If it's just this friday shit he's been releasing
then I'm not too interested.

  

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12. "Fine go listen to The Fame Monster you 'little monster'"
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lol

  

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Ashley Ayers
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14. "Not sure how that correlates to me liking the Mama's Boyfriend track"
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but keep trying. You're bound to say something funny one day.

  

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Big Jay
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5. "RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"
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well realistically there's only 3 good friday tracks on there...

devil in a new dress
monster
so appalled

...

see me now was just put out to radio unmixed and unfinished
runaway and power are singles
all of he lights and lost in the world leaked plus a fewmore

so really it isnt just the good fridays "bullshit"
hes killin it making interesting hip hop music keeping people interested with accesibility mixed with boundary pushing at least in a pop culture framework. hes giving away loads of free music and doing it innovatively, giving us left of centre art work and peripheral projects like the runaway film, not just what is expected.
and people cant kinda sit back and go
"wow, this is a great project"
its gotta be,
"why does douche bag kanye have to make us pay for 3 of the songs he already gave us for free... what a selfish big headed pop star"
well for one you're gonna get them all mixed to perfection

and for me, i dont know the guy, but if i ever met him id thank him for some sick sound tracks to my life and for giving it his all.

i'm buying

ちょうしはどう?

  

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7. "^^^cosine, sine, tangent."
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don't be fkn evil.

  

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DonWonJusuton
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17. "but no one is even bitching about it like that "
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i think everyone appreciates the G.O.O.D. Friday tracks.. but let's face it, it's essentially a mixtape being released one track at a time.. i wouldn't expect most of a mix tape to be on anyone's album... but i mean, we'll see how it all comes together when it's released.. i'm still pumped for it, but a little bit less now..

  

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23. "RE: but no one is even bitching about it like that "
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>i think everyone appreciates the G.O.O.D. Friday tracks.. but
>let's face it, it's essentially a mixtape being released one
>track at a time.. i wouldn't expect most of a mix tape to be
>on anyone's album... but i mean, we'll see how it all comes
>together when it's released.. i'm still pumped for it, but a
>little bit less now..


Actually, with the few forums i have seen, people have been bitching about hearing most the tracks. That's why i think we went into that post like that.


This isn't a mixtape at all. It's just that Kanye has been so open about his process of making music that his whole process became translucent and you saw how his albums are made. Most of these songs (so appalled, monster, see me now specifically) have been around in since early 2009 so they aren't new songs he made two weeks ago and just dropped in the album. Dude's been working on the album for a while, but everything came the the past three months and that tends to happen with every artist meeting a deadline.

As for the leaks, that's the people's fault who decided to listen to them. Whenever anyone listens to a song that hasn't been purposely leaked then they're ruining the "newness" or initial impact of hearing the entire album in its intentioned sequence. Plus, you have to figure Ye will throw one or two tracks as a itunes bonus as he always does.

  

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30. "You're ignoring the main problem"
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None of the tracks are that good. Thats whats wrong, not that we've heard the whole album already but that it isn't that good. I mean, Devil In A New Dress, thats your album highlight? really b? this is like his least impressive album.

Also, i wonder why he didn't put the two biggest good friday hits on the album, Christian Dior Flow and 'Good Friday'.

  

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6. "Big Sean stays losing"
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120. "along with really doe"
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and glc

hell at least consequence got to release an album

"like, the roots are so rad."
-q tip

  

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296. "he going to be on the bonus track "see me now""
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I think he'll get an album

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BrooklynWHAT
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8. "this is probably incorrect. itunes does that a lot."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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9. "I kinda hope so"
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He said Monster wasn't going to be on the album when he put it out. And So Appalled had been out a LONG ass time without the other verses before he made it a good friday track.

I just want new shit, that's all.

  

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13. "This list is bull @#!*%"
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C'mon, see me now? You really believe that turd of a song is closing the album? Kanye has better taste...

  

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zuma1986
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51. "I'm sure Kanye doesn't want his album to be known "
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this far in advance. Just a decoy until he's safe enough that the leaks won't effect the sales too much. Could be wrong though...

  

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dula dibiasi
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63. "nah, the itunes tracklist was played in the film in the exact same order..."
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w/ the exception of the 2 jay-z songs, which he admitted in the q+a afterwards that he'd added to the sequencing @ the last minute.

he also said in the postgame that "the tracklist ppl saw on the net, y'all *think* you've heard all the songs, but not the versions that will be on the album"

that's the real list, he'll just tweak the actual songs a bit

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zuma1986
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67. "oh ok thanks"
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I'm just watching the q & a now, haven't gotten to that part yet

  

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Phreak
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15. "I've heard 10 of these 12 tracks"
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wtf

  

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20. "He could just be messing with people who don't pay for his music. "
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Not necessarily talking to you by the way.

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16. "they had an American Gangster tracklist that ended up being"
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nowhere close to what came out. In fact I'm pretty sure the only songs they got right were Blue Magic and Roc Boys...I have no idea where they got it from. I'll be really surprised if this is the final tracklist.

  

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cidolfas
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18. "I'm buying this because of the way he's been pushing forward."
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But if this is the final tracklisting, I'm disappointed we don't get to hear so much more of this beautiful dark twisted fantasy theme, the songs he performed at Facebook, etc. etc.

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19. "Artists have to submit tracklists to itunes to make "
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the album available for preorder. It may be a legit track list, but it very well may be put in place just so it can be posted on Itunes for preorder purposes.

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29. "^^^^^"
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and seeing that Kanye does a ton of last minute changes to his albums probably means the tracklist will be longer.

  

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judono
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21. "wow. suprised Drake aint a feature on here. lol"
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just sayin

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52. "I'm surprised he hasn't been on any of the Friday songs"
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as well.

  

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129. "thank goodness for that"
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cutting kid cudi off the curtis mayfield song was also a wise move

  

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22. "Here is the full version of 'Dark Fantasy'"
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http://www.fakeshoredrive.com/2010/10/kanye-west-dark-fantasy-prod-by-the-rza-no-id-kanye-west.html

  

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24. "Mad this is the BET cypher verse"
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25. "He only uses a few lines from the BET cypher."
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26. "Jhene Aiko - Sailing Not Selling ft. Kanye West"
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^^^^^^^ His got his BET verse from this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLTnQnksFQw

  

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36. "This song sucks"
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>http://www.fakeshoredrive.com/2010/10/kanye-west-dark-fantasy-prod-by-the-rza-no-id-kanye-west.html

  

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38. "you can't be serious, this is great"
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43. "yeah, rapping about nothing over a boring beat. great!"
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j.®
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i want that purple stuff.

  

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54. "well you all seem to love it when Marcberg or Freeway does it.."
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48. "if you dont like kanye, in fact, if you hate kanye"
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why do you continue to check for his music?

  

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56. "same reason you still post in the lesson? n/m"
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66. "is it you I have the Skins record vs Lions record bet with???"
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pretty sure it is

  

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107. "do you know who i rep?"
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as far as the NFL?

same team as you fam...since BIRTH..i'm there every sunday living and dying with the burgundy and gold my man

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167. "^ best reply in post not related to post ^"
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Drokayplayer ™


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226. "allow me to add that y'all are gettin fucked up on Monday n/m"
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https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

www.somethinginthewudder.com

https://twitter.com/nostrabombus

https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

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philpot
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233. "we'll see n/m"
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Alan_PoEpery_fresh
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309. "RE: Here is the full version of 'Dark Fantasy'"
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Oh shit... nice

  

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Chanson
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27. "Here's the tracklisting from July when his album was stolen"
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01. Hell Of A Life
02. Dark Fantasy
03. Power
04. Chain Heavy
05. Ghetto University
06. That's My Bitch
07. Runaway
08. Lost In The World
09. Gorgeous
10. Monster
11. Holding Me Back
12. Devil In A New Dress
13. The Joy
14. So Appalled
15. Blame Game
16. Sweat On My Face

Only song not on this tracklist that's on the iTunes one is "See Me Now".

mind
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28. "*two thumbs up* for "See Me Now" making the list."
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QBoogie
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230. "do I sense sarcasm in this one ..."
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... because I thought the song wasn't too good.

  

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31. "yup. looks like this is it. judging from the film, @ least."
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>1. Dark Fantasy
>2. Gorgeous (feat. Kid Cudi & Raekwon)
>3. POWER
>4. All of the Lights
>5. Monster (feat. Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj & Bon Iver)
>6. So Appalled (feat. Jay-Z, Pusha T, Prynce Cy Hi, Swizz
>Beatz & The RZA)
>7. Devil In a New Dress
>8. Runaway (feat. Pusha T)
>9. Hell of a Life
>10. Blame Game (feat. John Legend & Pusha T)
>11. Lost In the World
>12. See Me Now

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dula dibiasi
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32. "runaway (west, 2010)"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7W0DMAx8FY

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33. " "about thirteen to fourteen tracks" - Ye"
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i figured he throw bonus tracks so it could be 15 as well

  

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34. "q+a on mtv.com"
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- he basically confirmed the itunes tracklist
- mama's boy + chain heavy as bonus tracks
- so appalled + monster will be on MBDTF rather than watch the throne (lol @ "sorry, jay")

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35. "Good lord I don't even wanna think of seeing the bill for all this..."
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Dude went all the way out for this shit...


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37. "$3 million, according to reports"
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___________________________
OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

  

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47. "Yeah, I heard that figure too..."
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Damn that's a lotta cash to recoup, especially in THIS music age with all the downloading going on?


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Balcony Music (A Cinquilogy)
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zuma1986
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50. "I'm sure he looks at it as securing his career"
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So although he may lose money, it'll give his career more longevity and able to make money longer. Plus I'm sure he can write it all off in taxes like most of the entertainment industry.

  

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39. ""good morning" off graduation shits on most of the joints"
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*shrugs* seems like it will be a cool project but a step down from his usual output (discounting 808s).

  

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40. "The joint w/ J. Legend and that Aphex Twin sample is FIRE"
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shit, that's my cut on the album already

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41. "whats the track at the 10 min part of the film?"
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who made that beat...shit is sick

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49. "Devil in a New Dress"
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______________________________


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53. "the beat was done by Bink!"
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one of my favorite producers.

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illeffeqt
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42. "so we've already heard half of this, and most of it sucks."
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i like the beat for "power" and i love "devil in a new dress". "monster" is alright but i know it'll be unlistenable to me after another couple spins (how many times am i supposed to listen to that nicki minaj verse before it starts to sound corny?)

the rest of the leaks are generic. so barring the possibility that all the remaining tracks are absolute fire, we have a fairly mediocre album on our hands. looks like someone needs to call jon brion for some help.

j.®
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44. "the leaked tracks sound much better in their finished state"
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45. "Jay-Z's verse on "Monster" is what bothers me."
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It's corny as fuck.

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46. "Stop searching out all of Kanye songs"
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and you won't be dissapointed...*kanye shrug* .... im just saying

I had to stop doing that myself, otherwise I would have been posting the same thing in this thread.

  

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55. "im amazed at the hate. i mean. not really"
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i know its a cliche to say this, but this is the lesson, and that's what people are going to do.
obviously, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the hyperbole is a bit much.

to say any of the songs, as presented in his film, "suck" is just ridiculous.

from both a lyrical and musical standpoint, this is the best thing i've heard in 2010 (so far).
but then again, this is basically the only rap that interests me anymore so...

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58. "you saved me my post"
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57. "RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"
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i love all the tracks i've heard and can't get enough of them. looks like the only one on this list i haven't heard is the one with Rae. i'm thinking there will be more tracks to the album than this though. if not, this is still a gang of bangers...

~sicknature~ My financial skills/discipline need Jesus. -J-Skivvy

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59. "RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"
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Actually, they used the Rae/Kudi song too.....

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62. "RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"
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oh, yeah, i forgot about that beyonce song. sucks..thanks everyone

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Tiger Woods
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60. "you pussies complain complain complain all day, all year"
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with the corniest most generic lame internet herb ass gripes:

"Yo but where the real at?"
"Where's that boom bap though fam?"
"Yo where's that dope creativity in hip hop though god?"
"Famous rapper X should work with irrelevant old ass producer Y even though it would make no logical sense whatsoever."

and then, a mufucka comes along and gives you EVERYTHING you ever bitched about and you bitch about it some more. Because, truth be told, you're lemmings. There's really nothing else to it, bunch of simps who subscribe to group think. If a bunch of people say the Slaughterhouse joint is good, even though it's dated and mediocre as all get out, you say "aw shit dog this is that raw the game needs!" you know real generic lame shit you wouldn't ever actually say in person but that you'd type for days.

So along comes Kanye, the most provocative thing rap's seen since Outkast, giving you EVERYTHING you ever asked for, with all the trappings of the perfect dickriding formula, hard beats from your favorite producers you get boners from like Madlib and Pete Rock, verses from dudes who weren't doing dick else that Ye gave a shot to like Mos Def and Pusha T, and you piss and moan about it?

I get the dinner table scene now! You stooges are the clowns at the table, with your grills in just frownin and talkin sideways even though there's something special sitting right in front of you.

If you don't dig this, fine, but stick to your guns you idiots. Stick to your guns through it all, don't you DARE come back when this album drops and is blowing everyone else's minds who waited for the finished product, don't come back and be like "ehhh on second thought..." because you don't deserve it. The motherfucker gave you everything you ever asked for, called George Bush a racist, told Taylor Swift she didn't deserve her credentials on television, and he made great music all the while, and you booed him.

This place is a riot.

  

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64. "^^^^^ "powerful posting""
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>with the corniest most generic lame internet herb ass
>gripes:
>
>"Yo but where the real at?"
>"Where's that boom bap though fam?"
>"Yo where's that dope creativity in hip hop though god?"
>"Famous rapper X should work with irrelevant old ass producer
>Y even though it would make no logical sense whatsoever."
>
>and then, a mufucka comes along and gives you EVERYTHING you
>ever bitched about and you bitch about it some more. Because,
>truth be told, you're lemmings. There's really nothing else to
>it, bunch of simps who subscribe to group think. If a bunch of
>people say the Slaughterhouse joint is good, even though it's
>dated and mediocre as all get out, you say "aw shit dog this
>is that raw the game needs!" you know real generic lame shit
>you wouldn't ever actually say in person but that you'd type
>for days.
>
>So along comes Kanye, the most provocative thing rap's seen
>since Outkast, giving you EVERYTHING you ever asked for, with
>all the trappings of the perfect dickriding formula, hard
>beats from your favorite producers you get boners from like
>Madlib and Pete Rock, verses from dudes who weren't doing dick
>else that Ye gave a shot to like Mos Def and Pusha T, and you
>piss and moan about it?
>
>I get the dinner table scene now! You stooges are the clowns
>at the table, with your grills in just frownin and talkin
>sideways even though there's something special sitting right
>in front of you.
>
>If you don't dig this, fine, but stick to your guns you
>idiots. Stick to your guns through it all, don't you DARE come
>back when this album drops and is blowing everyone else's
>minds who waited for the finished product, don't come back and
>be like "ehhh on second thought..." because you don't deserve
>it. The motherfucker gave you everything you ever asked for,
>called George Bush a racist, told Taylor Swift she didn't
>deserve her credentials on television, and he made great music
>all the while, and you booed him.
>
>This place is a riot.

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69. "True true"
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71. "ttp://i52.tinypic.com/nb2hi.gif"
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ttp://i52.tinypic.com/nb2hi.gif

  

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72. "Daps to this nigga^^^^"
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Niggas stay hating and dickriding on these boards it's pathetic.

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no_alias
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73. "I just don't care for Kanye's music. *Kanye shrug*"
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For all of the so called "complaints" about his music, it has little to do with it being "real", "boom bap", "creative", or working with veteran producers.

I'm not in here to hate, I actually try to give Mr. West a chance when he has something coming out. My issue is that for all the hype surrounding all these great things he has done, I'm consistently underwhelmed and disappointed with the execution of the final product. His melodies, while generally "catchy" as pop songs usually are, do not excite me in the least. His drum programming, meh.

I listened to about 2 verses of Dark Fantasy, and I'm scratching my head wondering, did it really take NO I.D., RZA and Kanye to put that beat together? Really??? If any no name producer had made this beat, no one would care, because there really isn't anything special about it. But stamp Kanye's name on it, and people swear that it's the best shit out right now.

I've always thought that he can rhyme, but it's hard for me to get into what he's saying when the production bores me. And yet, all of this would not matter if he wasn't running around talking about how great he is. I believe the music should speak for itself, and for the most part, it isn't saying much that I want to hear. And that is all I have to say about that...



>with the corniest most generic lame internet herb ass
>gripes:
>
>"Yo but where the real at?"
>"Where's that boom bap though fam?"
>"Yo where's that dope creativity in hip hop though god?"
>"Famous rapper X should work with irrelevant old ass producer
>Y even though it would make no logical sense whatsoever."
>
>and then, a mufucka comes along and gives you EVERYTHING you
>ever bitched about and you bitch about it some more. Because,
>truth be told, you're lemmings. There's really nothing else to
>it, bunch of simps who subscribe to group think. If a bunch of
>people say the Slaughterhouse joint is good, even though it's
>dated and mediocre as all get out, you say "aw shit dog this
>is that raw the game needs!" you know real generic lame shit
>you wouldn't ever actually say in person but that you'd type
>for days.
>
>So along comes Kanye, the most provocative thing rap's seen
>since Outkast, giving you EVERYTHING you ever asked for, with
>all the trappings of the perfect dickriding formula, hard
>beats from your favorite producers you get boners from like
>Madlib and Pete Rock, verses from dudes who weren't doing dick
>else that Ye gave a shot to like Mos Def and Pusha T, and you
>piss and moan about it?
>
>I get the dinner table scene now! You stooges are the clowns
>at the table, with your grills in just frownin and talkin
>sideways even though there's something special sitting right
>in front of you.
>
>If you don't dig this, fine, but stick to your guns you
>idiots. Stick to your guns through it all, don't you DARE come
>back when this album drops and is blowing everyone else's
>minds who waited for the finished product, don't come back and
>be like "ehhh on second thought..." because you don't deserve
>it. The motherfucker gave you everything you ever asked for,
>called George Bush a racist, told Taylor Swift she didn't
>deserve her credentials on television, and he made great music
>all the while, and you booed him.
>
>This place is a riot.

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Tiger Woods
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75. "go kick rocks somewhere else then nancy god damn"
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if he consistently lets you down then how about consistently ignoring his music and posts about him.

such a nerd you must be.

  

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133. "thank you"
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74. "myyy nigga (c) Denzel Washington"
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tell em

  

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78. "*high fives all around*"
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I've been trying to tell people this throughout all these Kanye posts but no one wants to listen. The same hate happens every time he's about to release an album. And the same people who hate are eventually singing along to his albums and bumpin it in the car.

Either that or they'll trump some other rapper. I'll check it out and it's the same ole shit we've been hearing for years. Same dusty beat and same bullshit lyrics and flow on numerous mixtapes and albums.


  

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109. "RE: you pussies complain complain complain all day, all year"
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*Crip walk, slip and fall down some stairs, dies, get buried, rise again on the third day, and give you a paranormal high five!*

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214. "RE: you pussies complain complain complain all day, all year"
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240. "^just shut The Lesson DOWN! goddamn."
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320. "he didn't shut shit down. he's a street teaming dickrider in here"
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and his later posts illustrate that very clearly

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392. "RE: he didn't shut shit down. he's a street teaming dickrider in here"
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...true truth...hahaaaa...this post is amusing, if nothing else...

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321. "you're a pussy with the lamest, most generic herb ass postering"
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>with the corniest most generic lame internet herb ass
>gripes:

for starters, who the fuck uses the word "herb" anymore? and you're calling people lame? lol.

>"Yo but where the real at?"
>"Where's that boom bap though fam?"

this isn't much of a boom bap album despite having a few moments.

>"Yo where's that dope creativity in hip hop though god?"

considering this is a vague definition and everyone has their own, you're grasping at straws here.

>"Famous rapper X should work with irrelevant old ass producer
>Y even though it would make no logical sense whatsoever."

and just because he worked with producer x, it doesn't mean that the listener enjoyed the outcome.

>and then, a mufucka comes along and gives you EVERYTHING you
>ever bitched about and you bitch about it some more.

actually.... he gave YOU everything YOU wanted.and, as i said before, gving people certain things that they wanted doesn't mean people enjoyed it, nor does it mean they should. i'd love to hear a lot f pairings but who knows what the end result might be to my ears?



Because,
>truth be told, you're lemmings. There's really nothing else to
>it, bunch of simps who subscribe to group think.

ye is fucking HUGE right now. it's hardly lemming like to dislike his music, though he does have a sizeable share of detractors. at best you could say it's a wash between the love/hate camps, and calling anyone who falls on either side is fucking retarded when you realize he's perhaps the most polarizing artist over the last decade.

If a bunch of
>people say the Slaughterhouse joint is good, even though it's
>dated and mediocre as all get out, you say "aw shit dog this
>is that raw the game needs!" you know real generic lame shit
>you wouldn't ever actually say in person but that you'd type
>for days.

how many people were on that slaughterhouse shit like that? how many? how many compared to the people who, like yourself, wish they could get kanye's new cd in dick form so they can literally put it in their mouth instead of metaphorically doing it? yeah it's a huge fucking difference, fuckstick. LOPL@you're stupid ass using a niche group with a much smaller audience by comparison to illustrate someone being a lemming.

>So along comes Kanye, the most provocative thing rap's seen
>since Outkast, giving you EVERYTHING you ever asked for, with
>all the trappings of the perfect dickriding formula, hard
>beats from your favorite producers you get boners from like
>Madlib and Pete Rock, verses from dudes who weren't doing dick
>else that Ye gave a shot to like Mos Def and Pusha T, and you
>piss and moan about it?

well you have a massive boner about this album and you seem to be pretty pissed off that everyone doesn't share your erection, sooooooooo...........

>I get the dinner table scene now! You stooges are the clowns
>at the table, with your grills in just frownin and talkin
>sideways even though there's something special sitting right
>in front of you.

lol you are so bad at crafting imagery to explain your points it's comical.

>If you don't dig this, fine, but stick to your guns you
>idiots. Stick to your guns through it all,

so.....if someone says, "i wish ye would make a song with pete rock and pusha t" and, upon hearing the result, reaized it wasn't what they thought it would be and didn't care for it, they should "stick to their guns through it all", as you put it?

so you can't want something and realize it's not that great once you get it? really?


don't you DARE come
>back when this album drops and is blowing everyone else's
>minds who waited for the finished product, don't come back and
>be like "ehhh on second thought..."

...why not? because it's blowing "everyone else's mind", it should blow mine too? wouldn't it make me a lemming, to JUST ROLL WITH THE CROWD?

because you don't deserve
>it.

lol you sound like kanye himself. don't deserve the new kanye album? really? this album is that precious, that life changing, it's a fucking privilege now? really? you're such a fucking stan it's pathetic.

The motherfucker gave you everything you ever asked for,
>called George Bush a racist, told Taylor Swift she didn't
>deserve her credentials on television, and he made great music
>all the while, and you booed him.

yeah none of that shit has a damn thing to do with someones take on this album. you're an idiot.

>This place is a riot.

and you're a nutt gobbling buffoon.

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415. "^^^^^^^^sore thumb"
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393. "well said."
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407. "^^"
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61. "Pusha T 3 songs, Jay on 2"
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thats what weirds me out. I mean, when the roots did that with Phonte and Blu on their album it seemed diff because they were seriously contributing. In this case, its like we are trying to give Kanye a break from rhyming on most of his own album.

in fact, thats what I felt about the Friday joints. Ye planned on releasing a joint every Friday and it was ok that so many were featured on his tracks because u figured that he was creating a lot of these songs week to week. I was a fool to think that.


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236. "underrated gayness on this post^^"
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Kanye has already held down solo albums without features dude, what an odd way to insult him

  

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65. "All this shit over a damn tracklisting?"
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What the hell, man?

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68. "The album drip drip'd?"
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70. "Everything in the movie sounded awesome."
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Can't wait for the album. I remember there was a lot of doubt going into Graduation and that turned out fine. I wish he could bring it a little more lyrically, but it's obvious that lyrics are taking a backseat to the production and overall "themes" of the album. That's fine - I think it will still be effective. Unfortunately, it won't be the return to the old Kanye a lot of us have been waiting for.

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79. "RE: Everything in the movie sounded awesome."
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>Can't wait for the album. I remember there was a lot of
>doubt going into Graduation and that turned out fine. I wish
>he could bring it a little more lyrically, but it's obvious
>that lyrics are taking a backseat to the production and
>overall "themes" of the album. That's fine - I think it will
>still be effective. Unfortunately, it won't be the return to
>the old Kanye a lot of us have been waiting for.

To the contrary, I think this IS the old Kanye. Or better yet, Kanye 2010 doing what 2003 Kanye would've done with his current situation..ie: the same dude years older, wiser, more hurt, richer, with resources to record with whoever he can get, everything...

I like that he is still cracking jokes (don't quit while you're hot, that's how Mase screwed up!), but I hear through the music that he has less to joke about..a heavier heart if you will. A bunch of death and loss, the Swift thing pulling him off of his parade float, etc. He curled up in a corner overseas for a bit before planting down in Hawaii with whoever he could get to show up over there, recorded a gang of material, (got a bunch of help and) organized a vision, and went to town on that vision in form of the Runaway film. I like it. For its flaws, almost disturbingly sparse interactive dialog and general slowness in the middle taking away from making the concepts he was slinging 'hit' like maybe he was wanting them to, its a helluva infomercial for all of the songs as well as the handful of songs that we haven't heard yet..there's an automatic context to all of those songs now that will link them together UPFRONT before we even hear the album in its final form.

What I have heard so far (most of the tracks as they are available right now) has me thinking that I'm about to get Kanye's best overall album in terms of him balancing consistency with depth and ambition, which speaks volumes when his previous work is considered in THEIR original contexts. College Dropout was Revenge of the Nerds on record. He caught hell getting his shot, and he had an hour or so to stick it to them for being so wrong. Late Registration was like going for a second championship to, amongst other things, validate the first 'win'..you could almost hear the pressure on some of those songs. Dude rapped so hard throughout that thing. Graduation was the theme music for the parade for that second championship. He was peacocking bigtime on that album...taking his shot at making an album of anthems. 808s was the hangover from what got lost in the mix while those championships runs were going on. He was almost like the dude on Granda's Boy..using his fake robot voice while he was uncomfortably trying to sort out what had gone wrong, what was still going wrong, and how in the hell to make any of it right. Dark Fantasy might end up being the Graduation 2: Kanye surviving the hangover and sonically putting it all together to finally make his true masterpiece (Graduation was pretty great for my money, but hey). Then, he might fall off of the face of the earth and design v-neck sweaters the rest of his life.

Because of the film, Lost in the World is playing in my head over and over. The more I hear it (I have a audio version of it as well), the more I feel like the song is an updated Workout Plan sonically..and IMO, Lost is a superior work due to topic, the addition of Uncle Charlie, the context of the song WITHOUT the video AND the context resulting from the video. Just good stuff. Not much in the popular world is messing with the guy right now. I watched a piece of 106 and Park (me and my moms do that from time to time when I stop by after work)..laughable to think most of those cats are trying to get the same folks' money with THEIR music while Kanye is around and its working.

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76. "Phonte reviews 'Runaway' movie in a minute."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Jvq1QpgpQ

  

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77. " who the fuck is Phonte? this is an L before you even press play"
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bamma looks like he's sitting in his bedroom in a three room flat in Newark, not workin, not makin no movies himself, just sitting and talking to his computer lonely lonely lonely while Kanye puts plans together for his Spring concert in front of the Sphinx.

you dorks would love something like this.

  

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80. "lol..."
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awesome.


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81. "im a big Kanye fan. but Tay is right. shit was a mess."
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don't just jock the film because u are excited about Kanye's new album. fucking judge it for what it is. a short film.....if u think this was a good short film and should be at Sundance or something then u should never recommend a film to anyone ever in life lol

  

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82. "How many short films do you watch?"
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Not knocking but for a short film I would definitely think this would stand out at Sundance regardless if Kanye directed it or not. Most short films suck, there's great ones but based on the amount there are it takes a long time to sort through the amount of shit out there.

I'm not saying the film is perfect but ppl who are judging the film on a Hollywood/Spielberg criteria are of course going to be disappointed. It should be judged on a David Lynch/Fellini criteria. Lots of symbolism and beautiful cinematography but needs a lot of help with its dialogue and it's obviousness.

  

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85. "comparing runaway to lynch and fellini is an EMBARRASSMENT."
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seriously retarded comment.

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92. "Um..."
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I said use their criteria. Meaning don't look at it as a straight popcorn movie b/c you'll be disappointed since it's not 8 Mile or Friday. If you look at it as an art house film you'll appreciate it more b/c you won't be as focused on dialogue and narrative (Eraserhead doesn't exactly have the best dialogue either and Fellini rarely had a decent narrative).

I don't think it's retarded to say that at all, especially since as short as he came from it I'm sure Kanye strived towards those artists' work (He mentioned Kubrick & Fellini a few times when discussing the film for the MTV Q&A).

  

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83. "why are you and tay even judging it as a film"
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It probably has less than 2-3 minutes of dialogue in the entire 35 minutes

It's pretty clearly more a "visual accompaniment" to the music, and for that, its dope as shit IMO.

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95. "Thank you!!"
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>It probably has less than 2-3 minutes of dialogue in the
>entire 35 minutes
>
>It's pretty clearly more a "visual accompaniment" to the
>music, and for that, its dope as shit IMO.

  

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102. "RE: I'll prolly take flack on this board but..."
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What if 'Ye were to review some of Phonte's work? What would he say?

After all, FE's last two outputs were, in my humble opinion, less than stellar. I mean, what happened after "Connected"? THOSE shits were a mess.

  

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84. "some of ya'll need to be surgically removed from ye's dick."
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call me a hater or whatever the fuck you want to, i have no agenda against kanye west. as far as i'm concerned his first three albums are all-time classics.

the fact is that MOST of the new material i've heard just isn't up to par with the rest of his shit. it's generic. and the way some of you ride for kanye like nobody better say ANYTHING to diminish his greatness is borderline gay. sure, there's gonna be some people who gripe about everything (this is the fucking internet, dummy), but most people are giving a fair and honest opinion one way or another.

album title is stupid, silly little movie was pretentious, and a lot of the tracks are underwhelming. get over it.

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86. "your post was generic and you're probably a virgin. "
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boo hoo.

  

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87. "^^ public dickrider #1"
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kanye could shit into a toilet in the middle of a track like eminem, you'd still think it was amazing.

btw, you ethered yourself by realizing my post applied DIRECTLY to you. hilarious. now get lost, fanboy.

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88. "damn dawg you got me! damn bro, got me good! shit, you did it!"
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god damn dude you filet'd me! got me good dawg. got my ass, fried me! you got me dude damn! shit bro, you got me so good! woa, my feelings are meta hurt right now. woa what am I gonna do you got me?! wow. got. me . good.

  

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89. "^^ translation: "i can't think of anything to say back.""
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you're clowning yourself dude.

you can't even defend the music on its own merits, you're going up and down this thread in a fever calling people names and shit. really, you're gonna accuse me of being a virgin because i don't like the new kanye cd? that's the best you can do? slink away little boy, you're out of your league.

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90. "GOD DAMN YOU ARE ON FIRE! "
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someone call the hospital and let the burn unit know that we got a victim right here because i'm getting roasted.

ahahahah yo but for real it's evident that your feelings are getting hurt and that makes me crack up in real life.

  

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91. "got any more 3rd grade comebacks or are you done?"
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93. "RE: some of ya'll need to be surgically removed from ye's dick."
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>TO ME album title is stupid, TO ME silly little movie was pretentious, and
>a lot of the tracks are underwhelming TO ME.but obviously my opinion ain't better than yours.

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98. "wanna wait til you hear the album or no?"
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94. "http://i52.tinypic.com/2cxd85.jpg"
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http://i52.tinypic.com/2cxd85.jpg

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262. "lol"
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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96. "Can't wait to hear the full version of "Blame Game""
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97. "it's fine for people to not like Kanye"
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However, when they express with the insight and critical thinking of a five year old, then they'll inevitably get backlash for it.

Unfortunately, most people on this board, not just this post, express their opinion this way or assume that only their opinion is the only one worthy of consideration and that everyone else is dumb for contradicting theirs.

That's why I feel Phonte's review of the "Runaway' was idiotic. All it doesn't is give him negative publicity. He gave a poor plot analysis of the movie, claimed that it was all inspired by megalomania and figured those two points were enough to label the film as a mess. It felt like he piggy backed onto Kanye's buzz just to give him a few jabs and get his face seen.

As for a lot of songs being heard, i think the official album in full,with the additions made to every song musically, with them all in chronological order, will give it a major boost. The album follows a theme similar with 'Runaway' as far as the phoenix metaphor goes. It's obvious just reading the track names. I'm guessing that it'll be on the same level as graduation with better production that utilizes instrumentation similar to Late Registration with more guest spots that are similar to College Dropout. As well as the effect use of autotone in 808s and Heartbreak. In short, utilizing all his strengths from all his previous album and combining them to create a solid album from front to back.

  

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99. "100% cosign."
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Really great post, man.

I'd been thinking about it similarly myself.

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100. "excellent analysis "
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101. "I don't know about Phonte piggy backing Kanye"
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Although I do agree he delivered a poor review. I get the impression Phonte doesn't like Kanye (Or at least anymore) and definitely doesn't stand for his ego. But Phonte does lots of movie reviews and based on the fact that it's a hip hop artist making a movie it makes all the more sense why he reviewed it.

Good analysis on what the album will sound like, hopefully his additions to the songs we've already heard give a few surprises.

  

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105. "Phonte has disliked Kanye for a while....."
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Something about Kanye praising Little Brother in an interview, but not actually saying their name which would've brought them lots of attention...

I think that was it...

  

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108. "How do you praise someone without mentioning their name"
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Not saying it didn't happen, just sounds weird. Do you have a link to the interview.

I mean they toured together early on (I think) and they did a song together so I'm sure Phonte has seen the evolution of Kanye from a different perspective.

  

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110. "Found the excerpt....."
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from September of 2006

"HHDX: At Kanye's recent listening party he mentioned that a certain artist from Little Brother was basically the one that pushed him to be that dude. Now you two have worked together in the past but he failed to mention you by name. First - How does it feel to know that you are Kanye's inspiration and 2nd - Why do you think he didn't mention your name?

Phonte: Well, I've known I was Kanye's inspiration since back in 2003 when we did a few shows together. He told me that he read my verse from 'The Yo-Yo' in the Source and got scared that we were gonna beat him to the punch. In retrospect, I have no idea why he was scared being that we were struggling on an indie and he was rolling with one of the biggest machines in hip-hop at the time. Even if I'm the better ballplayer, what difference does it make if you're playing at Madison Square Garden and I'm still at the YMCA, ya know (laughs)?

Phonte: As for him not mentioning me by name, I thought it was kinda bi*chmade because he personally knows who I am. If you're gonna give me props, give me my props. Otherwise it just comes across as a backhanded compliment: 'Yeah, I'm a big fan of what's-that-guy's-name...' That's some ho sh*t, in my opinion.

Phonte: As for the props themselves, that's cool and all...but if you're really a fan and Little Brother's music inspires you so much, why not reach out to us to make some more music together? Why would you not wanna make history with the younger cats in the game who helped to create a lane for you? But we all know the answer to that question...."

So I guess he mentioned Little Brother, but not Phonte by name...

  

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111. "younger cats in the game who helped to create a lane for you?"
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SMH. Tay be on his on dick a little too much IMO. like him not rapping but singing for a whole album knowing he doesn't have the voice to carry that type of album. i think his props here have gone to his head

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122. "RE: younger cats in the game who helped to create a lane for you?"
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Couldn't agree more

  

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112. "this sounds like it absolutely never happened:"
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> He told me that he
>read my verse from 'The Yo-Yo' in the Source and got scared
>that we were gonna beat him to the punch. In retrospect, I
>have no idea why he was scared being that we were struggling
>on an indie and he was rolling with one of the biggest
>machines in hip-hop at the time. Even if I'm the better
>ballplayer, what difference does it make if you're playing at
>Madison Square Garden and I'm still at the YMCA, ya know
>(laughs)?

this dude is so hilariously corny to me now that I know what he does.

  

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191. "it DID happen, chutestuffer"
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130. "lol phonte was hating like shit"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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103. "my man"
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104. "lol at dusty phonte salty 'ye ain't invite him to Hawaii"
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this dude making elevator music with swedish producers while 'ye is about to drop possibly the GOAT album.

  

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106. "I gotta be real with you, I don't know who Phonte is"
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and I'm not playing dumb. I've since figured out he's somebody way less significant than Kanye West who makes music, but when I first said "who the fuck is Phonte" that was sincere.

  

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113. "The advance leaked today."
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So did Kanye's nude pics.

  

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114. "RE: The advance leaked today."
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That shit didnt leak, its just a collection of all the shit thats already out

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115. "Got the pics (didn't see the nude) but not the album."
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*KanYe shrug*
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116. "Twitpic. 10:39 pm EST, Oct. 29 2010. "We FInally Done""
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http://twitpic.com/322c5p

At first glance this finished product has 13 tracks, not 12 as originally posted.

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117. "the extra track is an interlude. Final track isn't 'See Me Now'"
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119. "see, it prefer the album to work as a whole"
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that's why the final tracklist is as it is.

mama's boyfriend and so on will be cool bonus tracks on itunes though

  

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123. "RE: Twitpic. 10:39 pm EST, Oct. 29 2010. "We FInally Done""
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1. "Dark Fantasy" RZA
2. "Gorgeous" (featuring Kid Cudi & Raekwon)
3. "Power" (featuring Dwele) S1, Kanye West
4. "All of the Lights" (Interlude)
5. "All of the Lights"
6. "Monster" (featuring Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj & Bon Iver) Kanye West, DJ Premier
7. "So Appalled" (featuring Jay-Z, Pusha T, CyHi the Prynce, Swizz Beatz & RZA)
8. "Devil in a New Dress" Bink
9. "Runaway" (featuring Pusha T) Kanye West, Pete Rock
10. "Hell of a Life"
11. "Blame Game / The Best Birthday" (featuring John Legend & Pusha T)
12. "Lost in the World" (featuring Bon Iver)
13. "Who Will Survive in America"

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124. "Does that mean that Pete Rock altered "Runaway""
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Or was he always involved on the track?

  

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126. "RE: Does that mean that Pete Rock altered "Runaway""
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the drum pattern was originally on a pete rock instrumental album I believe...someone had linked it when runaway first came out

  

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128. "RE: Does that mean that Pete Rock altered "Runaway""
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scratch that, it was a lead up on "the basement"

  

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136. "iTunes still has "See Me Now" listed as a track. "
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I really hope it's not on there & that changes before the official release.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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137. "You hope it's not offered as an Itunes bonus track?"
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All apologies but I think that's a little silly

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138. "It's not a good song. "
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I'd rather hear "Chain Heavy" as a replacement.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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139. "yea you can tell I obviously love Kanye, but that's a bad song."
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118. "after 8 years, i remain completely indifferent about the guy's music"
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don't hate...don't like...don't care.

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121. "Evidently."
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263. "samerz. my bf is CRAZY about him"
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>don't hate...don't like...don't care.

  

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127. "This shit sounds good so far"
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248. "Inbox me the site"
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I wanna hear it too

  

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131. "I just realized how smart Good Fridays actually are:"
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The songs are going to leak. It's impossible to control your music as a "pop star" in today's world.

So why not make an event out of it? And release stuff that won't make the album as goodies in the process.

And even beyond that, go ahead and make a movie (extended musical accompaniment to a visually intriguing video) that showcases the musical talent to boot.

The marketing campaign behind this album is really the future of music... it's in direct response to the current climate of the dying industry.

It's amazing when you soak it all in, really.

And not that Kanye is entirely original in his approach, but he's taken the best of what others have done up to this point, brought in talented producers of the past (Q-Tip, Pete Rock, DJ Premier), in combination with the current trend setters in today's hip-hop culture (Jay-Z, Nicki Minaj, Rick Ross, Kid Cudi, etc.) and made something that is uncompromising in its approach.

If people like what they've heard, they'll buy the album (or individual songs they've liked) if they still purchase music.

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132. "and I think we'll see he's altered the leaks extensively for the album"
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134. "There is a leak floating around"
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but methinks its fake.

Tracklisting doesnt match & tracks from GOOD Fridays that arent suppose to make the final cut appear.

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135. ""
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That why I was surprised by the mild back lack when track-listing was revealed.

All the tracks have been altered for the album so it'll still be like listening to the album for the first time.

  

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140. "Rozay is on Devil in a New Dress now, it seems"
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143. "Ugh....."
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I don't hate Ross, but no.

  

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141. "the few songs i thought i'd like, i DON'T like..."
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....its the usual kanye, a few dope lines and beats, but overall the music doesn't really do it for me

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142. "you heard the album? damn dude inbox me please I haven't heard it"
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265. "^^^sums it up."
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144. "Final Tracklisting + iTunes bonus"
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1) Dark Fantasy
2) Gorgeous feat. KiD CuDi & Raekwon
3) Power f. Dwele
4) All Of the Lights (Interlude)
5) All Of the Lights feat. Alicia Keys, Charlie Wilson, Elly Jackson, Elton John, Fergie, John Legend, KiD CuDi, Rihanna, Ryan Leslie, The-Dream & Tony Williams
6) Monster feat. Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj & Bon Iver
7) So Appalled feat. Jay-Z, Pusha T, CyHi Da Prynce, Swizz Beatz & RZA
8 ) Devil In A New Dress feat. Rick Ross
9) Runaway feat. Pusha T
10) Hell Of A Life
11) Blame Game feat. John Legend
12) Lost In The World
13) Who Will Survive In America

14) See Me Now feat. Beyonce & Charlie Wilson (Bonus)
15) Chain Heavy feat. M.I.A (Exclusive iTunes)
16) Momma’s Boyfriend (Exclusive iTunes)
17 ) Power (Remix) feat. Jay-Z & Swizz Beatz (Exclusive iTunes)
18 ) Pure feat. Mr. Hudson (Exclusive iTunes)

  

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145. "The fuck is going on with "All of the Lights"?"
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And it makes me sad to see Rick Ross on another song.

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146. "pretty much that's kanye's "choir" he esembled to sing the hook."
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w/elton john playing the piano.
ross made music w/bink so it makes sense. i can see him in the pocket.

  

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147. "Cool, I can't wait to hear "All of the Lights" all fancied up."
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I hope it's not overdone, but that's a hell of a line up.

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149. "i'm looking forward to it"
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i can't wait to hear Chain Heavy

  

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154. "are those bonus tracks locks?"
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i def wanna hear that track with mr. hudson

  

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148. "got a leak today"
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this shit sounds gay

like, he's going after gaga fans tryna do gaga numbers.

not the 'come back' album i wanted or felt i was promised

he's entitled to do whatever he wants

but hip hop music sounds really gay now

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150. "damn, this leaked as soon as Ye dropped the final cd off"
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i'll wait till it actually drops (i rarely say that). i wanna wear some crazy good head phones/ play it a friend's room with a great sound system when i first hear it.

  

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151. "is an "official" one out there? "
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HighVoltage
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152. "the legit clean version drip dripped"
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153. "Listening to snips of this now but.."
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Waiting until after this phone interview so I can blaze up later and listen from beginning to end

Love him or hate him, who else in hip-hop has this much buzz surrounding his release?

Can't can't wait

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gumz
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165. "hook a brotha up"
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http://www.youtube.com/user/gumzization
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Tiger Woods
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155. "HOLY FUCK THIS ALBUM"
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ingramcol
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157. "Found the Clean"
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Anyone know if the explicit is out yet?

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Dirty Dansk
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186. "so this is how a "pop" record is supposed to sound.. "
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Sonics are raw and the arrangement of the songs are very unlike a pop/mainstream format – props to that –but drenched in references to pop culture both lyrically and sonically (Hell of a life) giving it mainstream appeal..

The record flows very well (I like most of the songs at a first listen – others might grow = Hell of a life)

But I kinda feel some of the features are unnecessary (aka. why slap a feature 3rd verse on a other wise ”personal” song = “Gorgeous”/Devil in a..”) – even though the features (Rea + Raws) are fare from wack by any means..

Kanye is 4:4 in my book at creating quality albums..

(waiting for the CD (quality wise)to really take it in)

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Dirty Dansk
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190. "Edit: 5:5 albums"
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..lol...

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Sire
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156. "i don't like some of these album versions of the tracks."
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the mastering seems off, and it seems like he tried to change too much just so they sound different from what we already heard, and added some frivolous elements.

sometimes less is more.

especially the first track. i like the way the beat dropped in the runaway movie immediatly after the nicki minaj intro. the added vocals on the chorus were unnecessary. the drums seem a lot lower too.

but maybe that's the curse nowadays of having so many tracks available in one way or another before the album is wrapped up.

  

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weston24
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158. "So glad I didn't pay too much attention to the early versions"
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Of course, the added things will seem unneccesary when you're so used to the unfinished versions. I learnt that lesson from 808s.

This album is way better than that though. I prefer it to Graduation too which was like this but dumbed down loads. This is anything but dumbed down, different vocal effects, flows and song structures all over it.

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amplifya7
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159. "this needs to be re-anchored"
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wow.

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160. "This is starting to grow on me"
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Hopefully 'Ye remasters the official record and adds more tracks to make it a masterpiece.

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BrooklynWHAT
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161. "its godly"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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162. "Love him or hate him."
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You can't deny his talent. I think he did something special on this album. It sounds and it plays epically. I can't wait for the album to come out now.
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Tiger Woods
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163. "this is the first album to successfully translate his live show "
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to the album.

If you've ever seen him in concert you'll recognize a lot of extra instrumentation that enhances the songs and makes them feel all the more epic. Now he's given it to us on the record, notice "All the Lights" interlude, or the awesome beginning of "Dark Fantasy" and the conclusion "Who Will Survive in America"; epic opening and closings that you can't help but visualize on stage while listening.

This album is fantastic.

  

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164. "yup i wouldnt be surprised if the album is the setlist for his next tour"
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with added interludes and shit

  

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jonpitt
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166. "In that Flex interview he was talking about..."
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....needing to sell so many units in order to be able to fund the type of show he wants to put on. I can only imagine how ill it will be

As for the album, i'm genuinely bugged....it's the best thing i've heard all year. The production values are immense ....i think he's just solidified himself as one of the greatest.

We can expect more of this i think: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/reviews/album/45342/232350

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168. "Rolling Stone gave it a 5/5."
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http://twitter.com/#!/kanyewest/status/2128482544918528

  

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beatnik
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169. "RE: Rolling Stone gave it a 5/5."
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read the review, maaan, all those goodfridays were misleading, gotta hear the end product. cant believe they gave him a classic though, good on him.

PEACE LOVE and MONEY

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Coco la chapelle
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194. "Cool, well play Kanye"
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x49
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170. "hell of a life is tough as hell!"
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Oak27
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171. ""Lost In The World" and "Blame Game" are my favorites"
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I wish I never listened to the leak of "Lost in the World" though, for some reason the final version seems weird with the added percussion during Kanye's verse. Everything else added to it is great though.

It's too bad he already missed the cutoff for the Grammy's, I'd love to see what this would do at the awards with the hype for the album still strong.

  

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ImPerfectNick
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172. "He's gotta satisfy DJ so he can go back by Jay w/RocNation"
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Everybody's got opinions on the way you're living but see they can't fill your shoes... Life is made of half-illusions... forty percent confusion, whatever's left I'm using... to keep myself from losing, yeah.

  

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mrshow
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173. "This album is the final nail in Detox's coffin"
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EPIC

  

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e_money
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174. "where's Mama's Boyfriend?"
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did they change the name i havent started listening yet

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rhymesandammo
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176. "iTunes bonus track..."
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...along with the remix of Power, Chain Heavy, See Me Now and Pure.

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348. "it's not available on iTunes. "
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at least not the US version.

don't be fkn evil.

  

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201cue
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175. "Real quick, is there an explicit version out there?"
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I ain't NEVER seen a hungry, happy muthaf*cka!

Heavy Ro'
Jay Rock - Redemption
Roc Marci - RR2
Travis Scott - Astroworld
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x49
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177. "not that i know of"
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the clean version isn't so bad tho.

  

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Stadium Status
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178. "The Chris Rock part is so silly"
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It's kind of unnecessary and shouldn't be on the album, but it's funny enough and it reminds me of Eddie Griffin on Detox..

Other quibs, cause I've been listening all day (which should be a sign of how good it is)

1) Fergie on All of the Lights
2) I'm happy he put the vocal sample on Runaway, but he def overdid it...the silence was one of the most powerful parts of the track
3) The percussion on his verse in Lost in the World
4) The re-doing of the intro to Dark Fantasy (that's growing on me though)

Otherwise, love it. Can't wait to hear the bonus tracks.

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JG.
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179. "lmao I was trying to hate on Chris, but that whole bit"
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Was just so bizzare and hilarious.

  

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las raises
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180. "can't wait to listen to this"
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HellToDaNaw
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181. "best since Late Registration"
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Fuck a sig.

  

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J Fabuluz
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182. "RE: best since Late Registration"
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I love lost in this world, I can't get it out of my head.

and Hell of a life is NASTY !

  

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mrshow
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183. "You might be right"
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So much of this album should be a trainwreck but Ye makes it work.

  

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184. "Is this SN Lsong the same as Blame Game?"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TheSNkiQSQ

I knew the beat sounded real familiar when I heard it

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185. "yes. avril 14th"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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187. "original song:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfYl6_f2Mdg

  

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362. "NOOOOOO."
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REALLY?? he sampled my favorite aphex twin song (my birthday is April 14)!? fuck... i'm going to hate this album now.

  

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Coco la chapelle
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188. "When is it supposed to be released ?"
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192. "nov. 22nd"
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Steve O Tron v2
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189. "Very good album."
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I can't really say there are any bad songs, but I do like some less than others.

The first half and hook of "Hell of a Life" doesn't do much for me, but the beat starts to sound interesting in the last third. "Lost in the World" is OK, but it doesn't vary too much from the Bon Iver song, so it doesn't feel too original and what is done to it isn't all that amazing.

Beat-wise, I love "Devil in a New Dress" and "Blame Game" (can't imagine not liking it since Avril 14th is one of my favorite Aphex pieces). I'm also happy that "Runaway" has the additional vocal samples, but I wish he used more of the "HEY!" ones that he used on SNL (is that he same one that Boards of Canada used?).

Haters gonna hate on Kanye while riding for the most banal "underground/real" hip-hop on these boards, and that's to be expected, but I still think Kanye's just one of the most exciting artists these days and am glad he delivered a solid album.

  

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truekolor
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193. "i hate to do this buuut....inbox please"
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im at work and i cant get past the firewall to download it so if someone could send me something lol...ill still buy it kuz ima huge fan...that being said INBOX!!

  

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x49
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195. "that nigga ross can't do a song without lying lol"
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"had cyphers with yeezy before his mouth wired"

really rick?

  

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196. "That's not hard to believe"
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Kanye did a track for Trina in 2002. Both her and Rick Ross were signed to Slip-N-Slide Records at the time (with him rumored to be writing for her).

Not to mention Kanye did a beat for Rick Ross around that time (which later on was sold to T.I. and started a beef between Ross and Tip):

http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/06/12/rick-ross-and-ti-had-beef-over-kanye-west-beat/

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197. "the magic of the lesson"
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http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8557/themoreyouknow2o.jpg

  

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Chanson
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198. "Here's the Ross/Kanye song from 2002"
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http://usershare.net/1ffs85npnl51

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216. "yo, this ain't bad at all"
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good lookin out!

  

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QBoogie
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231. "why does Ross sound like Cam'ron ???"
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Menphyel7
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237. "he use to rap like he was from NY"
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http://twitter.com/Menphyel7


"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

  

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zuma1986
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234. "Lol "The Lewis Vuitton don" "
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Decent song, Rick Ross didn't sound so bad.

  

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cidolfas
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207. "hahaha"
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378. "^^^I was thinking the same exact thing"
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The Revolution will not be televised...but it may be on ALLIANCE! Ask and ye shall receive.

  

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199. "for me, the last rap album, and maybe the only album before this"
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to equal its production in terms of just epicness, ballsiness, creativity, innovation, etc.

was I'll Sleep When You're Dead

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mrshow
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202. "Hell of A Life sounds El-P-ish"
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Steve O Tron v2
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206. "Althogh I don't think this album reaches the levels of ISWYD at any of t..."
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things, El-P and Kanye are definitely the two most interesting and exciting hip-hop artists for me right now.

  

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Madvillain 626
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200. "waiting for the explicit to leak"
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Hearing it's his best since Late Registration has me very interested in the final product. I haven't heard any leaked songs except the Good Friday joints.

I'm for SURE going to cop tickets to whatever kind of epic spectacle of a show he's going to put on. It'll be like seeing Prince in 86 or something, so pumped.

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201. "If Prince...(long ass set of thoughts coming)"
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sat at a table with his old 'ass out jeans' listening to this album with a plummer and a fine skrippa wearing a thong who normally dances at a butt nekkid..they'd all say, in unison 'man, Kanye showed his ass on this one' once the clapping stopped on Who Will Survive in America. Maybe.

I'm finishing a second listen early and I'm now well into a third. I TRIED not to repeat and skip around. And yes, I heard at least some version or snippet of most of the songs on the version of the album that I have (clean). I saw, enjoyed, appreciated, and respected the effort and overall final product that was Runaway (and who can hate on Selita Ebanks? Nevermind, this is the internet...cats are ridiculous that way). And yes...I still liking the 'stripped down' leak version of Lost in the World a bit more than the album version like most folks. I pretty much consider everything else improved. Its funny that Drake didn't make it on All of the Lights..maybe Kanye DOES secretly hate the guy..I mean, I was playing triangle at some point on that song. How could he NOT make it on an album filled with 5+ minute jams? Oh well...it ain't like I'm suffering for more Drake material. He's even Rae's Ghostface on UGK-related records now, so he's clearly everywhere else...

Like I had guessed, this album is pretty much everything Kanye has been on earlier albums combined into one and then some..all of the jamming, rapping, singing, "Rogering" (vocoder and/or autotuning), all of the ambition with the resources (aka money and label support), time (Hawaii Marvin Gaye-style exile/retreat), and the inspiration to get it all on record.

Even if the ever so sad and normal counterculture world of the internet/nerds/backbackers/reel hiphop folks hate on this album just because 'too many' folks might love it or because its clear that Kanye has a machine on his side, when that idiocy subsides (like Al Green was selling records out of his car in the mid-70s), this will easily be considered his most complete album so far. Like really easily...maybe even to the detriment of the previous albums. I'll slow down for now...

Mabye folks won't ever root for him as much as I did after I heard Slow Jams for the first time, or when I saw the Through the Wire video (I just smiled), or when he respit his verses on College Dropout for the retail after WE ALL had the leak wild early, or when I read a quote from him about damn near (if not literally) crying while trying to make Late Registration a good follow-up to CD, or when he cosigned and actually signed my favorite emcee at the time when he prolly needed it to get folks back on his side (Common), or when I heard Gone for the first time, or when I chilled at the crib and listened in awe to Graduation (Flashing Lights blew me away to a point where I had to break my rule and repeat the track multiple times). And..as skeptical as I was before it dropped, I didn't have hatred for 808s..I'll take Heartless and Say You Will as great songs and call the rest of it at least worthwhile overall. I randomly listen to it in passing.

With Dark Twisted Fantasy, I can't even lie and say I'm not happy about this same dude coming back years later and embarrassing most of the game AGAIN. This is pretty clearly a superior piece of work when compared to most of the hiphop cats he's supposed to be in competition with. And I can't imagine how blown away folks will be who DIDN'T hear damn near the whole album through leaks, Good Fridays, and/or the Runaway vid.

Its hard for me to break this one down because I'm pretty much loving this thing as one piece of work. If I have to try to make up something to hate on, Hell of a Life my current call for the 'weakest' song and I like the hell outta that song too right now.

I hear clearly good rapping/delivery/rhyme schemes..you know, the stuff "hiphop is all about lyrix!" dudes care about, the now-typical Kanye instrumentation-based 'bravery' on a popular hiphop record, good to great song-writing, fly as hell execution, fresh or at least updated takes on 'staple' concepts in addition to an overall set of concepts for the album as a whole with several things tying it together in both subtle and not so subtle ways...just a wow record from an artist connected, bold, empowered, dumb, embarrassed, dedicated, interestED, interestING and ultimately talented enough to make it happen. As long as he doesn't mess up any more award shows, he pretty much has a pass from me to continue his regularly-scheduled program of talking shit about being great. You don't curl up in a corner, kill yourself to make a record like this, and then just relax while your label puts it out. You stand on top of some tall shit (a mountain or building) and tell everyone who will even pretend to listen that you have the stone-tablet of jamming to unleash on unsuspecting AND expecting folks. You dare muthafuckas to doubt what you in your hand have on some poker shit. You dare folks to keep half-assing while you're coming out full-ass like Prince in them pants, or a plummer under a sink, or that skrippa chick on the last song at a butt nekkid. You dare 'em.

Jimaveli: "I'ma shoot a bootlegger!" (c) Chris Rock

>tracklist:
>
>1. Dark Fantasy
>2. Gorgeous (feat. Kid Cudi & Raekwon)
>3. POWER
>4. All of the Lights
>5. Monster (feat. Jay-Z, Rick Ross, Nicki Minaj & Bon Iver)
>6. So Appalled (feat. Jay-Z, Pusha T, Prynce Cy Hi, Swizz
>Beatz & The RZA)
>7. Devil In a New Dress
>8. Runaway (feat. Pusha T)
>9. Hell of a Life
>10. Blame Game (feat. John Legend & Pusha T)
>11. Lost In the World
>12. See Me Now
>
>http://itunes.apple.com/us/preorder/my-beautiful-dark-twisted/id399527640

  

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203. "damn, this was a great review of his album and career"
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i pretty much have to agree with all you said and i can't wait to listen to the new album.

i think it comes down to an artist busting his or her ass to become better. To consistently refine you're already great skills and work on your bettering your weaker attributes. With Ye, he's gotten better overall in producing, rapping (voice and lyrics), picking collaborators, his albums themes and sequencing, etc. Plus, he's using all his resources, (contacts with almost every big name artist and a lotta money) to create these epics that he's always dreamed of. Now, the money and talent is matching up to his ideas and it's sorta scary to see where he'll go if he keeps progressing.

  

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204. "i honestly dont see how Kanye can improve from this album."
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> Now, the money and
>talent is matching up to his ideas and it's sorta scary to see
>where he'll go if he keeps progressing.

and yet there is no doubt in my mind that his next album will be even better. i've never felt that about an artist before.

but this album, is just so pitch perfect, so timely, so...right.

the praise for this album is going to be fucking massive

its crazy to me that he's putting out masterpieces on 3 fronts (MBDTF, Good Fridays and Watch the Throne presumably). he's going for the crown. and he's going to get it.

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208. "I don't think 'Watch the Throne' will be as good as any Kanye solo"
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album (excluding 808s).

It might be better than some of Jay's though.

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232. "all in all though fam ..."
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... I think My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the album Jay-Z secretly wants to make.

  

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205. "SMH :( "
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Conyay Mess' "MBDTF" = FOASCIN


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209. "2nd listening, he killed it !"
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210. "you niggas can have this album and the homo phrases you've been "
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passing around in this post to describe it
if you were this gung ho about gettin' pussy you'd have a whole village of lil niggas right now

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213. "what a superbly articulate and well thought out reply you offered"
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242. "bite meat, turdtoughener"
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217. "^My new favorite poster^"
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Awesome.

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PimpMacula
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211. "it's okay, i think people are hyping it a bit too much though"
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few stand out joints (devil in a new dress & hell of a life)... other than that i'm not all that impressed. the variation toward the end of songs is cool, but there's other albums that do this 10x better. i think because it's a "hiphop" record, people are overly impressed. *shrugs*

it's a good album though, not hating. i just don't think it's as great as people are making it out to be. right today, i'd put it at a notch below graduation.

  

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212. "LCD Soundsystem does it better. "
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215. "Im a huge LCD fan but..."
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this album is better than "This Is Happening".

  

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218. "LCD Soundsystem & Kanye would make for a great collabo"
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Much better than Cudi's attempt. Not that I'd be mad if Cudi was on it.

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221. "I agree."
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What I meant was that LCD Soundsystem did it better with the songs, when it comes to the long drawn beginnings and ends of songs.

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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220. "RE: Im a huge LCD fan but..."
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>this album is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR better than "This Is Happening".

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268. "the latest LCD album isn't even good imo"
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so that's not hard to do.

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x49
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219. "explicit version is out"
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222. "Good looking out but..."
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I think it's a lower quality rip.

  

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theillestboYee
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223. "Retail grouprip is out..."
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225. "that clean version sounded transcoded to me"
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its was kinda crunchy on the high end

  

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227. "are all the bonus cuts out?"
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most politicians here dont know the difference between a server and a waiter. thats why kids in south korea have better internet access than kids in the south bronx

  

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224. "this is his worst album"
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other than blame game, none of the songs are sticking. some of the them are embarrassing (lost in the world, all of the lights, runaway), others are just boring (monster, power, hell of a life...). devil in a new dress and so appalled are ok but been out for 1-2 months. gorgeous made no impression on me. dark fantasy is aight. i like the hook. thats the whole album? damn.

  

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philpot
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228. "this albums sucks horribly, BUT..."
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i give kanye props for the continued work he's doing on his mc skills

most of the content is garbage but he sounds good on the mic and is flowing better than i remember him ever flowing

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235. "must be good if even.."
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the oldest crustiest dumbest guy on here finds a positive,

  

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298. "get off my balls bitch n/m"
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239. "huh? it blows but it's good?"
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241. " the guest appearances overshadow ANY verse from him "
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>i give kanye props for the continued work he's doing on his
>mc skills
>
>most of the content is garbage but he sounds good on the mic
>and is flowing better than i remember him ever flowing



he still spits some bullshit ass lines sometimes, people give him a pass, like they do for all producer-rappers I guess.

It bothers me when I hear people say he's a dope MC, serviceable yes, but folks have some average ass taste if they think he's dope

  

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243. "idk bout that. his 2nd verse on Gorgeous is raw."
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Is hip hop, just a euphemism for a new religion
the soul music of the slaves that the youth is missing
this is more than just my road to redemption
Malcolm West had the whole nation standing at attention
as long as I’m in Polo’s smiling they think they got me
but they would try to crack me if they ever see a black me
I thought I chose a field where they couldn’t sack me
if a n-gga aint shootin a jump shot running a track meet
but this pimp is, at the top of mount Olympus
ready for the World’s game, this is my Olympics
we make ‘em say ho cause the game is so pimpish
choke a southpark writer with a fishstick
I insisted to get up offa this d-ck
and these drugs, fans cant resist it
remind me of when they tried to have Ali enlisted
if I ever wasnt the greatest nigga I must have missed it!

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244. "yeah i dont even get why rae is on that track"
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ye killed it though.

  

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238. "good album, won't have the staying power as Graduation for me "
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Monster got old to me the 3rd time I listened to it...

I can't believe "Take 1 For The Team" is being wasted as just a good friday track! Pusha T should have that be the lead single off his solo, shit knocks


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250. "RE: good album, won't have the staying power as Graduation for me "
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I just took a listen to Graduation today after having listened to the new one multiple times (clean and dirty). I agree on the staying power for lots of Graduation..a lot of those songs are just more immediate..arena rock anthem, rap-along type of songs that, once you got used to them (they were kinda 'weird' on early listens), sit in your mind forever. If you step away from those songs for a while, stepping back to them is a great time..Kinda like Toto's Hold the Line...you automatically want to scream out 'love isn't always on time!' when the time comes. Or at least I do..haha. There are songs on Graduation that hit me kinda like that. Can't Tell me Nothin, Stronger, Flashing Lights..yeah. I rap the whole Can't Tell Me Nothin song like its one big long ass chorus when I'm riding alone. Just great stuff. "I had a dream I could buy my way to heaven..when I awoke, I spend that on a necklace. I told God I'll be back in a second. Man, its so hard not to act reckless!" This is the guy who folks comfortably say has NO lines/raps/leerix? Shiiii...

Right now though...even after hearing 'beta' versions of almost this whole new album multiple times, I was still left pretty much blown away upon hearing even the clean version from front to back. Yeah...So Appalled is almost ruined for me because I listened to that song prolly 50 times after that GOOD Friday..thinking that it wasn't going to make the album. I hear Runaway as THE single that gets worn out so much that it ends up getting skipped or skimmed on album listens. But Devil..MAN, that midtrack breakdown before Ross slides his way in with a typical but jamming Ross verse..just nice stuff. Or Blame Game, Power, the intro, Gorgeous, All of the Lights (gotta have the intro too)? I'm pretty much gonna keep on listening to those songs.

I could see Monster as being the Barry Bonds of this album for me...it certainly jams, but I don't need to hear it over and over again like Flashing Lights or Lost in the World or Gone or Slow Jams or All Falls Down or Say You Will or...

Jimaveli

>Monster got old to me the 3rd time I listened to it...
>
>I can't believe "Take 1 For The Team" is being wasted as just
>a good friday track! Pusha T should have that be the lead
>single off his solo, shit knocks
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245. "Great album. Will get an album of the year nod next year"
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only to lose to some old fogey like U2 or Robert Plant.

  

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246. "Devil in a new DRESS.......LORD he made it better"
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I figured he would fuck it up but he killed it...

whoever paid guitar on there did the damn thing.....I LOVE IT THO

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247. "this the kind of album that takes its time with you"
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I've started just kind of hopping around and noticing these little thematic things, and then songs I previously thought were dull and unimaginative have all this stuff going on in the background I don't even notice. And lyrically Kanye has actually put together a pretty thematic piece of work. He put the work in on cohesion too, the album feels like a ride from beginning to end, not a bunch of different songs.

This is a really sad, dark album. It's a shame he was so broken during 808s & Heartbreaks, or that he didn't just keep that project to himself for practice. Because this album really satisfies the darker concepts of his Late Registration album, the celebratory nature of Graduation and the downer pop of his last one and the stuff he likes CuDi for.

At first it feels pretty bombastic and unnecessary but eventually everything starts to make sense, I think. I want to say 4 stars, but I might say 4.5. Or 5. Got to keep listening.

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zuma1986
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249. "What song would The Roots kill most if Kanye's on Fallon?"
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Hopefully he does do it.

  

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251. "i havent listened to a kanye album since CD, but this is GOOD..."
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i listened to half of the album late in the evening.
i went to bed, and i actually woke up earlier than
usual cause i was excited to hear the second half.
i cant remember the last time i got so excited about music.

'hell of a life' is the most innovative hip hop song
ive heard in a LONG ass time.

i *really* hope this ages well.
thats why im usually not into kanyes music.

  

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Ryan M
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252. "Twice through now. It's fucking brilliant."
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I tempered expectations, and have even taken to not listening to Good Friday tracks recently. This is an epic album. Well done, Ye. Well done.

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254. "RE: Twice through now. It's fucking brilliant."
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>I tempered expectations, and have even taken to not listening
>to Good Friday tracks recently. This is an epic album. Well
>done, Ye. Well done.


cosign

aint felt this way about an lp since

Little Brother 'Minsteral Show' dropped

an event, made my weekend

dude is an artist

kia kaha

  

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253. "ny magazine review (swipe)"
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http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/filthy_rich_kanye_wests_royal.html

Next time you’re watching one of those stately period films — the kind where aristocrats in splendid, elaborate costumes parade through lavish palaces — you might consider that the characters you’re watching were probably filthy and uncomfortable. For some of them, it would have been the height of luxury just to douse their gloves with enough perfume to avoid smelling themselves. No plumbing, no air-conditioning, no dentists or dermatologists. Those eighteenth-century French women with the elaborate hairdos? The hair was powdered with flour and crawling with vermin. We think about their opulence and swoon a little, but they swooned from heat, stiff corsets, and foul air. The most opulent palace was, by modern standards, fundamentally nasty.

So what is it about Kanye West’s new album, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, that keeps reminding me of all that — that actually sounds like all that?

The part about royalty is easy to explain: By many measures, West is the foremost pop-music artist in the country, and he’s ludicrously aware of this fact. It causes him to behave in ways that don’t entirely make sense to normal people. When he stopped by the Today show this week to promote his album, he wound up telling someone off-camera to be quiet, and snipped at Matt Lauer about a video clip — of his infamous confrontation with Taylor Swift at the 2009 MTV Video Music Awards — playing while he was trying to talk. This seems absurdly arrogant, unless you follow West’s logic: The Today show needs him far more than he needs it. It’s not just the video clip that’s making him feel insulted — it’s the show’s failure to recognize this fact. When you’ve had to earn and demand respect, instead of having it offered to you as a courtesy — and this is precisely how a lot of black men in hip-hop feel about life — you can wind up touchy about the moments when it’s withheld or begrudged.

But how about the filth? After the Swift incident, West retreated, made music, pondered what it meant to be a jerk, and returned with this album. One of the images attached to the record is a portrait of West wearing robes and a crown, but his face is split into some kind of Cubist monstrosity — he’s royalty and a ghoul at the same time, see? In "Runaway," the short film he released this fall, he uses a plinking piano to summon a ballet troupe, then sings about raising a toast to the douchebags and assholes of the world — in other words, he sticks a symbol of classical refinement next to a lyric about being toxic and acting ugly. (Ballet already does this, too: All that beauty is built on twisted toes, bloody shoes, deformed legs.) This feels like the heart of West’s whole project this year. He’s attracted to these symbols of classical refinement and aristocracy — ballet, golden goblets, “Persian rugs with cherub imagery,” Greek mythology, next-level luxury brands — and then he sits among them reminding us that it doesn’t make him any different, or keep him from acting poisonous, or pissing the world off by grabbing people’s microphones. It’s all about the worms in the wig, the stink on the princess.

That’s not a new concept in hip-hop: A lot of this music is about wearing a crown, but staying every bit as hungry and contradictory as you were before you grabbed it. It’s just that West is very, very good at abstracting that feeling — turning it into sound and music and emotion, not just lyrics and narrative. It’s not simply Kanye’s ego that puts me in mind of crusty aristocrats: It’s also the drums, samples, melodies, and synths on this album. Crisp, graceful sounds keep bumping up against muddy, sweaty ones. Elegant minor-key melodies keep bumping up against rawness and ego. Opulence bumps up against grit, until the music begins to sound a little decayed, tragic, and under threat. (Every filthy aristocrat, after all, was surrounded by an even filthier mob.) And there's something about this collision that has a tremendous attraction.

It almost goes without saying that My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is impressive: It was made by a perfectionist with a big budget and a whole lot of feelings to sort through. But it’s also adventurous, fierce, and full of vitality. Its guiding principle seems to be to go in harder on every front: Be more opulent and arty, be more vicious and aggrieved, be more “complicated” and self-lacerated. West, as per usual, summons up beats that feel less like drummers or machines, and more like crowds. He makes “Power” knock and head-bang and calls it his own superhero theme music. He makes space for rappers to play goblins on “Monster”; Nick Minaj, who specializes in play-acting, uses that space to turn in one of the year’s most striking verses. He does gloomy and elegiac (“Blame Game”), but he also turns in huge tracks like “All of the Lights,” which manages to tap into a terrific vein of desperation and frustration; the song’s chaos of guest artists actually helps. It also helps that the song has West projecting his own situation onto a defined character — an abusive man meeting his ex at a bookstore, to convince her that he’s changed and beg to see his daughter again.

It's hard to talk about those songs, and that music, without writing about who Kanye West is: There’s too much of him, and too much of his personal story, wound into the work. His public self-expression — even the most ill-advised parts of it — are continually connected to his musical self-expression, and his visual self-expression, and even his consumer self-expression. He knows better than anyone how big he is, and how big he’d like to be, and he’s setting out to make art that lives up to that; when two consecutive presidents comment on your flaws, it’s easy to feel justified in getting florid on record. The constant push for more sometimes makes the album feel bloated and indulgent, or like it’s too interested in turning hip-hop into moody art music; plenty of rap fans have watched West get more and more baroque, as his career goes on, and turned their attention back toward more elemental sounds. But the guy’s not sapped of energy. Getting bigger drives him harder, and every drama in his life — from the real ones to the ridiculous kerfuffles about whether he’s a bit rude — makes him get a little weirder and come on a little stronger. If you're the kind of person who worries that we're becoming a nation of self-dramatizing narcissists, maybe it's not good that West makes self-involvement sound so great. But it does make for serious pop, and puts him in rarefied territory: One of those few stars popular enough to be heard by everyone, yet inventive enough to influence where music will go next.

  

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255. "the way this album flows...wow...epic"
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256. "Album Of The Year"
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sorry Black Milk... your album title is a lie haha


Love how dark this album is. Kanye obviously has a lot of demons. I think the way he was demonized in the media after the Taylor Swift incident really changed him.

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257. "AMAZING... my only beef though,"
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Ross needs to get the fuck off of Devil in a New Dress. Ye should have spit a third verse. Ross was goin off on the song, i admit it, but the lyrical didn't fit the song that well. That's the only blemish on the album, imo.

  

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258. "My only beef"
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is the chorus on So Appalled. Its just awful.


I wish Ross would have spit a longer verse on Monster.

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260. "RE: AMAZING... my only beef though,"
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>Ross needs to get the fuck off of Devil in a New Dress. Ye
>should have spit a third verse. Ross was goin off on the song,
>i admit it, but the lyrical didn't fit the song that well.
>That's the only blemish on the album, imo.

I disagree, I think the C.O. actually did his thing, and I usually don't like the C.O. on most songs but he actually fit this one and was at least spitting with emotion, unlike kanye who was spitting lazy for both his verses. for such an ill beat 'ye could have came WAY harder.

  

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259. "Listened to it for the first time this morning"
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I gotta say I'm impressed, especially by the production. Of course, this is hardly the boom-bap album I was hoping for, but I think Ye delivered a great follow-up to Graduation.

favorite tracks so far :
Dark Fantasy
Gorgeous
POWER
Blame Game

  

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261. "this is kanye's masterpiece"
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divided we fall

  

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264. "RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"
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I am digging this!

This is great.

Devil in a new dress is DOPE!

  

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266. "If you don't like this...you're gay"
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267. "After a few days of listening...."
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This really is a fucking brilliant album. NOBODY else alive could make an album like this. Kanye blends all these different sounds and influences into one seamless work. Kanye could jump onstage every Taylor Swift concert and rub iguana shit on her guitar if it means he releases more albums this accomplished.

  

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269. ""i mean the shit is, fucking ridiculous.""
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414. "Seriously"
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The album excites me when I put it on. When I'm not listening to it I'm thinking about the next time I'll play it. When I start talking about it I want to shut up and just play it again. He did it for real with this album.

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270. "let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?"
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there will be a lot to come from this album, some that are possible and some that are definite.

First off, someone above said that Dre might as well forget about Detox altogether. I'm going to have agree. I can't see him making something this forward focused and inspired this late in his career. There's more vitality to "Power" than anything I've heard from Dre post-GRODT. I'd check for it for sure if it came out, but what little interest I had in a new Dr.Dre project is all but extinguished at this point.

I can't help but think this may indirectly delay the already iffy Outkast reunion. Their spot as the ever-evolving rap provocateurs has been taken by not a new duo but a single personality who's penchant for the spotlight is in direct contrast to Andre and Big Boi's preference for privacy.

What's this do to Jay? He's got to gameplan carefully from here on out and not look desperate, because as in the tank I am for Hov he's going to be hard pressed to ever capture the imagination of the public with new work the way this album will. Depending on how the next year shakes out for Kanye, it's reasonable to believe that Jay will, at minimum, have a comparable peer if not having been usurped altogether. The difference here is that Jay's current status is built upon his body of work, serving more so as a deserved victory lap of festival appearances, versus Kanye who will now be treated as an equal while still being in his prime with plenty more to offer.

Does this album spark a boom bap resurgence? Do RZA and Pete Rock get more calls now?
Could this be the shot in the arm to the album format that rap so badly needs? Am I missing anything? What do you agree/disagree with, or what can you add?

  

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271. "RE: let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?"
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let's pray to someone that this album steps everybody's game up cuz it is much needed. this is a sick album that should set the bar very high for competitors.

  

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272. "RE: let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?"
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I hope it inspires Dre & Big Boi to get their ass back in the studio and make the next Aquemini.

Everything else you said was spot on. I hope it leads to more ALBUMS being put out rather than just mixtapes being called albums. And I'd love to see Pete Rock, Premo, RZA getting more work.

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274. "RE: let's talk about the RAMIFICATIONS of this album aight?"
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>there will be a lot to come from this album, some that are
>possible and some that are definite.
>
>First off, someone above said that Dre might as well forget
>about Detox altogether. I'm going to have agree. I can't see
>him making something this forward focused and inspired this
>late in his career. There's more vitality to "Power" than
>anything I've heard from Dre post-GRODT. I'd check for it for
>sure if it came out, but what little interest I had in a new
>Dr.Dre project is all but extinguished at this point.

all Dre can do is release what he has and let everyone know that dude is way past his prime.

>I can't help but think this may indirectly delay the already
>iffy Outkast reunion. Their spot as the ever-evolving rap
>provocateurs has been taken by not a new duo but a single
>personality who's penchant for the spotlight is in direct
>contrast to Andre and Big Boi's preference for privacy.

i think 3000 and Big Boi have grown apart so much as personalities and people that it's they need to connect on the level they're on now, instead of trying to recapture they identical spark they had when they were 20 years old. 3000 is supposedly working on his album now and after that Big Boi. However, it seems like 3000 doesn't have the drive or doesn't care much. Hopefully Ye's album gives him that kick.


>What's this do to Jay? He's got to gameplan carefully from
>here on out and not look desperate, because as in the tank I
>am for Hov he's going to be hard pressed to ever capture the
>imagination of the public with new work the way this album
>will. Depending on how the next year shakes out for Kanye,
>it's reasonable to believe that Jay will, at minimum, have a
>comparable peer if not having been usurped altogether. The
>difference here is that Jay's current status is built upon his
>body of work, serving more so as a deserved victory lap of
>festival appearances, versus Kanye who will now be treated as
>an equal while still being in his prime with plenty more to
>offer.

Watch The Throne should be interesting. I hear that the chemistry between them is still amazing and that they knocked 8 tracks in two day or something ridiculous like that. Kanye's in the zone right now and Jigga feeds off his energy well so the album will be good. As for solo Jay, idk. Unless he goes to Kanye's route and bears his soul on his next album, he'll release the same as record with topics he's had on all his records.

>Does this album spark a boom bap resurgence? Do RZA and Pete
>Rock get more calls now?
>Could this be the shot in the arm to the album format that rap
>so badly needs? Am I missing anything? What do you
>agree/disagree with, or what can you add?


i think it starts a well needed trend of rappers being more introspective and honest with their emotions in mainstream rap and rap in general. Cudi's album went along the same route, with some minor theatrics and all. This album wasn't really focusing on bringing back boom bap rap. It's more about progression into production where you mix more classic hip hop elements with damn near and how amazing it can sound. This is a truly epic album is style and presentation and it definitely sets a bar.

  

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275. "he basically shitted on the last 2 or 3 years of rap"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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280. "you really have no business calling people virgins."
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calling people lames, pussies, cornball, etc, in relation to their disdain for an artist is something you have zero business doing, unless you vocalize recognition of your own guilt at the other end of the spectrum.

i mean you posted like this joint is the second coming
you posted about how this is going to have a massive trickle down effect
you said dre shouldn't even bother with detox after this

etc
etc
etc

REALLY? jiont hasn't even dropped yet, and you're talking about RAMIFICATIONS IN ALL CAPS.

wow@that.

and you're in here calling folks lemmings? for NOT liking one of the biggest acts in music? explain how that works. you post puff piece, and you're running around the thread calling people lemmings? lol.

i mean, talk about hyperbole. for all your grandstanding towards detractors, your coming off real street team, to the point where it would be a valid question to ask if you were on the payroll or related to someone who was. you might wanna dial it back a little if you want to present an image of insightful objectivity. you don't come across as a fan, you come across as a plant.

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289. "the difference between you and I as this:"
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I'll just call you a cornball

and you'll use your entire post to slam me. damn.

  

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300. "calling people names isn't slamming them? "
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calling them pussies, lames, etc, isn't slamming them?

lol

you've done nothing but street team this album and slam people this whole thread.

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305. "right, because clearly I'm the only one cysed off this album"
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319. "you aren't, but you are one of the loudest mouths in this thread"
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your faggot ass has been in here calling people pussies and lames an shit because their dick didn't get hard off the album

i'm just calling you out on your faggotry
you should thank me, i'm helping you better yourself

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322. "damn look how upset you are dude. "
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it's unfortunate I made you that upset that you had to resort to the word "faggot" more than once. In all seriousness that's not something I'd ever call anybody even on a message board just because they were vocal about liking or disliking an album. And you last replied like five days ago, so you've since returned to this part of the post to find you're still mad enough to slander me with bigoted slang used for homosexual males, despite my not being homosexual nor having called you a "faggot" first. You're most likely lonely, confused, and deeply bitter. And that's ok. I feel sorry for you. No snark, no joke. I'm dead serious.

  

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328. "still on that "mad" card eh? "
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are you intentionally a cliche or is that just natural?

>In all seriousness that's
>not something I'd ever call anybody even on a message board
>just because they were vocal about liking or disliking an
>album.

nah, you'll just call people pussies and lames and all that....
so now there is a list of unnacceptable juvenile names that can be used when someone isn;t feeling some shit you presently worship? all's fair in love and war, bitch, miss me with these rules of engagement. you popped shit, called people names, don't go complaining about being called names in return, rump ranger.

And you last replied like five days ago, so you've
>since returned to this part of the post to find you're still
>mad enough to slander me

LOL! same shit once again, you flaming hypocrite! it's all good for you to call names and slander folks, but let it come back to you?

nah, see, you just didn't name names. you're on that cornball "if the shoe fits" routine. i just did what you;re bitch ass wouldn't and called you out by name.

with bigoted slang used for
>homosexual males, despite my not being homosexual nor having
>called you a "faggot" first.

you never called me anything, actually, but you called a bunch of people other names.

You're most likely lonely,
>confused, and deeply bitter. And that's ok. I feel sorry for
>you. No snark, no joke. I'm dead serious.

...and i'm laughing at this. you got a taste of your own medicine tenfold and you're response is that there must be something wrong with me for calling you out on your bullshit.

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276. "So, can we agree Jay is the WEAK LINK on this album?"
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Granted, Fergies verse is terrible...but Jay's are...ugh. And I am a Jay fan, but you take him off of Monster, that song is 200x better. So Appalled is my least favorite track on the album, and he doesn't help it.

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277. "completely and utterly disagree."
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Sun Nov-14-10 05:41 PM by woe.is.me.

  

          

I don't know what there is to dislike about his Monster verse at all.
idk, it might help if you read it b/c i found it very clever, well written and well delivered. i didn't find him to be on autopilot at all.

honestly, i think some people are in a hurry to put hov in a casket just b/c yeezy is killing it right now. with that in mind, Watch the Throne should be really interesting.

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Ryan M
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278. "LOOOOVE. Ugh that's fucking awful."
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Anyway, that's fine. I love Jay and am an unabashed fan...but I don't like him on this.

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okaybowler
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294. "agree %100 percent"
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I love Hov, but he nor Ross bring it especially next to Nicki's verse. I don't even know if I like her but you can't deny the way that she brought it.

  

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287. "jay slapped those tracks"
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around..

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cidolfas
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279. "Jay's verse on "Monster" is the weakest on the album."
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It's really corny.

I think he's okay on "So Appalled" though.

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woe.is.me.
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282. "are you guys serious?"
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this isn't a strong verse to you?

"Sasquatch, Godzilla, King Kong
Lochness, Goblin, Ghoul, a zombie with no conscience
Question what do all these things have in common
Everybody knows I’m a muthaf-cking monster

Conquer, stomp ya, stop your silly nonsense
None of you n-ggas know where the swamp is
None of you n-ggas have seen the carnage that I’ve seen
I still here fiends scream in my dream
Murder murder in black convertibles
I kill a block I murder avenues
Rape and pillage a village, women and children
Everybody wanna know what my achilles heel is
LOVE I dont get enough of it
All I get is these vampires and blood suckers
All I see is these n-ggas I’ve made millionnaires
Milling about, spilling there feelings in the air
All I see is these fake f-cks with no fangs
Tryna draw blood with my ice cold veins
I smell a massacre
Seems to be the only way to back you bastards up"

i know this is going to sound condescending, but do people just not get it? Particularly this part...

"All I get is these vampires and blood suckers
All I see is these n-ggas I’ve made millionnaires
Milling about, spilling there feelings in the air"

to say its the worst verse on the album is ridiculous.

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cidolfas
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283. "I consider myself a Jay fan, but yeah, I think it's corny."
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He sounds out of place on that song. Like he's a member of the old guard trying to hang in there.

The second half of the verse is better. The lines you pointed out have an interesting parallel beyond the loose concept of the song. But it's not enough to save it for me.

The Hov I like is what he spit on "The Joy." Now that was a monstrous verse.

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284. "i thought it was dope too *shrugs*"
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Ryan M
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285. "Are you asking if I get a line that's on the nose?"
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Oak27
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286. "i hate the first 4 bars"
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the rest is good, but the first 4 bars stick out as so corny that it makes me dislike the verse as a whole.

  

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315. "I Hate "LOVE I dont get enough of it...""
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that's corny.

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324. "i'm with you"
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ain't nothing wrong with that verse. i can't believe people are calling this verse corny when you we are talking about a kanye album here. kanye kicks THE CORNIEST raps around.

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292. "Rick Ross in Devil in a New Dress is the weakest verse"
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Love the extended version of the song and then in comes Rick Ross with that wack shit.

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311. "you have got to be kidding me. "
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Anybody who thinks Jay's verse on Monster is whack is simply retarded.

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318. "why you wanna know where the swamp is tho?"
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tbits
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281. "Easily, Kanye's BEST album"
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This is one album to be proud of.

This is a GAME CHANGER.

  

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288. "Yep...it's a classic in my eyes"
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Not since Aquemini has there been so much care in a hip hop album. Movements/lush arrangements, obscure effects without being tacky and taking away from the music, live instrumentation (done well), a seamless song arrangement 1-13. Not to mention...the rapping is top notch by everyone involved.

One thing I will never do again is listen to a collection of songs dropped on Fridays by an artist like Kanye. This shit should have been saved for one mega first listen.




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blinded by the lights
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334. "Well the issue with that"
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>One thing I will never do again is listen to a collection of
>songs dropped on Fridays by an artist like Kanye. This shit
>should have been saved for one mega first listen.

was that he basically told us those songs weren't gonna be on the album, so it was sorta hard to have a reason to not listen. I was kinda lucky that I just planned to wait til GOOD Fridays were over anyway so I could listen to them as an "album" too, along with the CD, so never really listened to any of them more than a couple of times.

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290. "I'm about 1/3 of the way through...."
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*shrugs*

It's ok not gonna change my life of anything. I mean it's well thought out in places but just not outstanding in any way.

  

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293. "Were you just SO amped to post your thoughts?"
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Why wait until the album is done? "1/3 through - NOT A CLASSIC!"

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295. "lol"
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Saito
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302. "LOl miss me with that snark my friend..."
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A classic album should grab me from the outset If this were the first time I had listened to say 'Innervisions' then I wouldn't have paused a third of the way through and wrote my thoughts on what I had heard I would have just listened all the way through. This is not a 'classic' album to me. Like a said before it's a solid effort but a classic? not IMO hoewever you don't see me dogging it. maybe I should have listed to it before reading this post because from the way everyone is hyping this i expected a classic. I'm not dissapointed at all by it. It is what it is.

  

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313. "that's so wrong though.."
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i can't imagine how many great albums you've missed out on if you think a classic album needs to hit you from the outset..

  

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Saito
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314. "Your acting as though if I don't think it's great..."
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...then I will just turn it off which is not the way I do things at all. I still give an objective opinion because only an idiot would discount something the first time round.

Anyone ever heard Gregory Abbots album? you now the guy who had the hit 'Shake you Down' in 1986? well I loved that track and brought the album...big mistake it was a crap album but I listened to it twice before coming to that conclusion...now THATS SAD the fact it took me 2 listening session to come to that conclusion but that's how I do things I might have missed something the first time so I give it a second go.

  

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291. "Ok I finished"
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Not bad...not bad at all I don't think It will have the impact that most people think it will but still a solid bit of work from Kanye.

  

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297. ""I treat cash the way the govt treats aids..."
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I wont be satisfied til all my n****s get it"

good rapping on gorgeous

"what's a black beetle anyway?"

  

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325. "funny how you quoted some of his worst lines"
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>I wont be satisfied til all my n****s get it"
>
>good rapping on gorgeous
>
>"what's a black beetle anyway?"
>
>

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346. "RE: funny how you quoted some of his worst lines"
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"I treat cash the way the govt treats aids I wont be satisfied til all my n****s get it"

How is that not a good line man? The line is simultaneously serious (addressing the issue of the US govt plotting on such vile things as biological warfare type methods of population control); hilarious (in that its just a crazy arse analogy to make), ballsy (to accuse the govt of immoral acts of this nature is unheard of in the mainstream), as well as being pro-black statement, a little bit socialistic (in that he's saying he wants all black people to be doing well) but then capitalistic in that he saying its all about the benjamins (which I find funny). I see it as a political statement on a very serious topic, disguised behind on-the-surface humour and token hip hop capitalist type statements. (I'd also deduce from this that he considers Obama a puppet).

And I don't think thats an overanalysis... Obviously he's hip to camoflaguing serious statements beneath stereotypes, he says as much later on in the same song:

'As long as I’m in Polo, smilin’, they think they got me
But they’d try to crack me if they ever see a black me'

I.e. If I act like the stereotype then I wont be getting assassinated anytime soon, but if i ever went 100 percent on the political stuff then they would crack me (crack down / crack the whip / crack cocaine the govt either poured or permitted to be poured into black neighbourhoods in the 80s).

  

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408. "RE: funny how you quoted some of his worst lines"
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>"I treat cash the way the govt treats aids I wont be
>satisfied til all my n****s get it"
>
>How is that not a good line man? The line is simultaneously
>serious (addressing the issue of the US govt plotting on such
>vile things as biological warfare type methods of population
>control); hilarious (in that its just a crazy arse analogy to
>make), ballsy (to accuse the govt of immoral acts of this
>nature is unheard of in the mainstream), as well as being
>pro-black statement, a little bit socialistic (in that he's
>saying he wants all black people to be doing well) but then
>capitalistic in that he saying its all about the benjamins
>(which I find funny). I see it as a political statement on a
>very serious topic, disguised behind on-the-surface humour and
>token hip hop capitalist type statements. (I'd also deduce
>from this that he considers Obama a puppet).
>
>And I don't think thats an overanalysis... Obviously he's hip
>to camoflaguing serious statements beneath stereotypes, he
>says as much later on in the same song:

ok, i can respect your take of that line. i'm not even saying i disagree with your thoughts at all on that one. i do have a criticism of that line, but it's not a biggie so i'll skip typing it because really it was the beetle line that i was referring to.

the black beetle line bugs the crap out of me every single time i hear it because it makes no sense. yes i understand that he likes to compare himself to the beatles because of his popularity and perceived importance to music, but that metaphor was terrible.

"what's a black beetle/beatle anyway?"

well, its a black beetle. yes, black beetles exist. they are not roaches. see, if beetles came only in other colors and not black then the line would make sense, but they do. so a black beetle is a black beetle, not a roach. a roach is well...a roach.

lazy writing is what i'm saying.

>'As long as I’m in Polo, smilin’, they think they got me
>But they’d try to crack me if they ever see a black me'
>
>I.e. If I act like the stereotype then I wont be getting
>assassinated anytime soon, but if i ever went 100 percent on
>the political stuff then they would crack me (crack down /
>crack the whip / crack cocaine the govt either poured or
>permitted to be poured into black neighbourhoods in the 80s).

i won't address this since you didn't include this in your original post.

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mr_graff
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299. "Kanye backed up his egotism with this record. I give him props."
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301. "All of the Lights & Hell of a Life sound like mediocre El-P tracks"
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3 tracks stand out to me...

the rest, not my thing, not bad album for those that like Ye..
like graduation more, flows better

  

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Saito
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303. "duck and cover son..."
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You can't say that round here lol

You gotta act like it's the second coming lol

  

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304. "you should use more lol's, lol"
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308. "everyone is entitled to their own opinion. "
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a lot of people are loving the album. No one said everyone has to praise it

  

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310. "Dude, all I said was it's lame to run to the internet..."
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...and post your thoughts about an album YOU'RE NOT EVEN FINISHED LISTENING TO FOR THE FIRST TIME.

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Saito
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312. "I heard you the first time dude"
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I'm joking I mean you have a point and I can see that. All I was saying is that the album didn't grab me the way that classics have in the past. Not to over use old standards but I listened to Midnight Marauders all the way through same with Illmatic with those LP's I couldn't wait for the next track with this I was like "ok...what's next" the fact I actually took a break to post up my thoughts WAS THE WHOLE POINT the LP didn't interest me enough for me NOT to stop it and do something else then go back to it.

I just read this message and realised I used the word "LP"...damn I'm old lol...

  

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333. "Everyone's different, no doubt, but answer me this:"
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Has EVERY album you consider classic hit you in the same way? Because personally, sure, there's been some albums that I love that have hit me in the way you describe, but there's been others I've barely enjoyed on first listen, only to play them a few more times, and years later consider them some of my favorite albums ever. It may be cliche, but some good things honestly do take time. Subtleties hit you that you didn't hear orignally, etc.

Having said all that, I'm not saying THIS album is definitely gonna do that for you or anything, just saying for me, and for almost every person I discuss music with, there's albums/songs that simply don't hit you straight away, and to dismiss anything on first listen is crazy. It's something I really dislike about music today: there's so much, that you try sift through so much all the time, that you don't really get as much chances for music to grow on you. I'm sure there's many albums that I could've potentially loved with time that haven't had the opportunity to let grow on me. Obviously a Kanye album is different though - it's gonna be everywhere for a while so you will be bombarded with it and either hate it or forced to have it grow on you.

"Yes I see all the nummmberrs... I still root for the dreeeamerrs... I thank God for the dreeeamerrs..." - Mos

  

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Saito
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335. "Good points made"
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>Has EVERY album you consider classic hit you in the same way?

No not really I guess on my part there is expectation before hand I and i agree some artists are more subtle in the way they put thier products out I remember quest saying in an interview that people had to 'digest' Phrenology before they could appreciate it.

However for the self proclaimed 'Voice of a generation' I expected more (maybe that's where I went wrong I guess) I expected to be thinking 'damn kanye kicked in the door with this record' not '...ok this is what kanye is on now?...um ok..'

I'll give it a couple more spins test your theory out who knows maybe i'll change from the Dr Dre method of 'If it don't hit you by the first 16 bars it's not good..' lol

  

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306. "This is one of the best lp's i've heard in the past 5 years"
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316. "yes one of the best"
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307. "Anyone mind if I complain about a few things?"
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I don't dislike the album, it's really very good. But it's praises will be sung by many people far more qualified to do so than myself. However, I'm more than qualified to complain about it. The things I don't like about it:

-Fergie. There's no need for that shit.
-The voice distortion that pops up on a couple tracks, Gorgeous being the worst.
-The extended version of Runaway. You could cut the last three minutes of it and not lose anything.
-The Yeezy taught me skit. It's slightly amusing the first time you hear it but if you hear it more than once you start to realize how stupid it is. He could have at least made it a separate track so I could uncheck that little box on itunes.

  

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326. "i don't mind, let me join you and cosign."
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>I don't dislike the album, it's really very good. But it's
>praises will be sung by many people far more qualified to do
>so than myself. However, I'm more than qualified to complain
>about it. The things I don't like about it:

same here. i like the album, but hate that some people are yelling "classic" already. damn that word is overused.

>-Fergie. There's no need for that shit.

she's on this?

>-The voice distortion that pops up on a couple tracks,
>Gorgeous being the worst.
>-The extended version of Runaway. You could cut the last three
>minutes of it and not lose anything.

yeah i hate the ending of runaway. i wouldn't mind if there was a purpose behind the last 3 minutes or if it added something to the song, but it does neither. reminds me of "water" by the roots, the difference being the end of water had a reason and represented something. the end of runaway just seems self-indulgent like yeezy was jacking off in the studio or something.

>-The Yeezy taught me skit. It's slightly amusing the first
>time you hear it but if you hear it more than once you start
>to realize how stupid it is. He could have at least made it a
>separate track so I could uncheck that little box on itunes.

yeah, what a waste of 2 minutes. totally takes away from the album.

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330. "Fergie's the one rapping on All of the Lights"
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323. "everyone go back and look at how pissed off Cold Truth got in here"
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what a sucker. God damn I've never seen mad making like that on Okayplayer since I got on here.

The Kanye album is incredible, I proudly stood by it from jump, and he had a COW. My goodness this poor guy.

  

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327. "please, i simply called your sorry ass out and that's all there is to it..."
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>what a sucker. God damn I've never seen mad making like that
>on Okayplayer since I got on here.

lol@this "mad" business. you didn't say anything to me to be mad about, for starters. it's funny though, to watch you feeling yourself up like this all throughout the thread. you're the one who lashed out calling people pussies and lames and said they "didn't deserve" this album- if anyone is sounding mad, it's you, champ.

>The Kanye album is incredible, I proudly stood by it from
>jump, and he had a COW. My goodness this poor guy.

it's amusing to watch you try and spin that shit another way. i called you on your bullshit and that was that. you're on that eric cartman denial status though- you;ll convince yourself of the most outlandish shit to save face.

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329. "you take message board insults more personally than anyone I've"
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ever seen.

you've made my day, and for that I cannot thank you enough.

it's the INTERNET, not real life champ.

now it's your turn, take this reply and give me another senior thesis on why I'm an asshole.

  

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331. "it was pretty real life in your posts until i ripped them to shreds"
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>it's the INTERNET, not real life champ.

lol you had all kinds of bravado and the second someone responds to it all of a sudden you want to reduce everything down ten levels except for the scathing response, which is somehow elevated to NSA code orange.

>now it's your turn, take this reply and give me another senior
>thesis on why I'm an asshole.

the way you gave everyone a senior thesis on why they were lames and cornballs for not loving this album, didn't even deserve kanye's genius on this album?

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336. "seriously gay as the day is long, not that there's anything wrong with t..."
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>the way you gave everyone a senior thesis on why they were
>lames and cornballs for not loving this album, didn't even
>deserve kanye's genius on this album?
>
>

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338. "his whole steeze in this thread is wack"
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he retreats like a motherfucker to everyone who challenges his bullshit

peep the series of YO YOU ON FIRE DOG!!!!! responses to some other dude
he can pop off when he isn't being challenged, but he can't respond to an argument for shit

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339. "you contributed nothing to this post other than ridicule of me though"
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so while you are entitled to discredit my post about group think, you in turn offered nothing else but more ridicule. So here we are, in a pissing contest and everything you're getting on me for you're guilty of also. I just scrolled up and down again and I've yet to find your well written reasoning for liking or disliking the album. Instead you opted for just calling me a faggot.

I'm not being a smart ass with my posts. I cannot express to you how funny I think it is that you're legitimately that upset with me. That's the honest to god hand on a bible truth. Nothing on the internet except for a fantasy football losing score has ever made me as upset as I made you and although I can't fathom that I do appreciate it a great deal.

However, unlike you, I did make a post in this thread trying to get some discussion going and I was successful-the "RAMIFICATIONS" post that pissed you off so badly. In fact, it got several replies from people who wanted to get some talk going about the effect of this release and you came along and insulted everyone.

So there's my last and final response to you. I didn't once call you a name, or make any homophobic slurs either. You'll probably break this post down word by word and take it uber personally once again, but I'm done so it's no use.

  

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340. "you've contributed nothing but stannery and shit talking"
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>so while you are entitled to discredit my post about group
>think, you in turn offered nothing else but more ridicule.

all you've done is warrant said ridicule. you're such a bitch its hysterical.

>here we are, in a pissing contest and everything you're
>getting on me for you're guilty of also.

i'm not guilty of anything aside from giving you exactly what your bitch ass tried to give everyone else- i just did it much, much better.

I just scrolled up
>and down again and I've yet to find your well written
>reasoning for liking or disliking the album. Instead you opted
>for just calling me a faggot.

i've yet to see you offer any honest objectivity, or anything remotely productive. the vast majority of your shit in here is hyperbole and trying to shit on people who didn't buy into the hyperbole.

>I'm not being a smart ass with my posts. I cannot express to
>you how funny I think it is that you're legitimately that
>upset with me.

you think i'm "legitimately upset"? wtf is there to be upset about? i'm picking on you because you've earned it, that's all there is to it. lol@you actually thinking there is real world emotion here. when i call you a bitch, it's a matter-of-fact statement that's warranted based on your posting within this thread. there is zero emotion involved, however harsh my words are.

>Nothing on the internet except for a fantasy football losing
>score has ever made me as upset as I made you and although I
>can't fathom that I do appreciate it a great deal.

you've convinced yourself i'm angry. like, you believe that shit with conviction, fire of a thousand suns an shit. and you're over here calling people herbs and lames? lol@you for being a complete loser so openly.

>However, unlike you, I did make a post in this thread trying
>to get some discussion going and I was successful-the
>"RAMIFICATIONS" post that pissed you off so badly.

pissed off? how dumb are you? i made fun of you for making such an absurd post.

>got several replies from people who wanted to get some talk
>going about the effect of this release and you came along and
>insulted everyone.

actually i just insulted you. you only wanted to "get some talk going" only if people thought this shit was the greatest thing to happen to mankind since oxygen came into existence- anyone else you called names and insulted. so i decided to return the favor.

>So there's my last and final response to you. I didn't once
>call you a name, or make any homophobic slurs either. You'll
>probably break this post down word by word and take it uber
>personally once again, but I'm done so it's no use.

LOL! you used the word "uber". what a clown. you didn't call me a name, or hurl any insults my way personally- but you did do it to others and i popped your bubble, and now you're on that "aw shux huck, who me?" steeze like you were just having jovial, open minded friendly conversation and i came in as the big bad wolf.

what happened to the bravado? where did that attitude go? you get all puffed up calling people names and whatnot, and when it gets thrown right back at you it gets deflated real quick, and it's evident with every exchange you've had in this very thread.

lol@you convincing yourself im "mad". don;t flatter yourself, pillow biter. i have zero beef with you, all i've done is bully someone who tried to be a bully. look in the mirror, slick. all i did was give you a dose of your own medicine within this thread.

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341. "take it up with these professional stans then:"
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Chris Richards at the Washington Post:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/clicktrack/2010/11/dark_twisted_fantastic_--_kany.html
"Crowded with maniac choirs, alien drum machinery and instrumental interludes that toggle between decorative and devastating, the grandeur never feels excessive. It feels necessary"

Rob Sheffield at Rolling Stone:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/reviews/album/45342/232350
"It’s his best album, but it’s more than that — it’s also a rock-star manifesto for a downsizing world. At a time when we all get hectored about lowering our expectations, surrendering our attention spans, settling for less, West wants us to demand more."

Sean Fennessy at the Village Voice:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-11-17/music/kanye-west-finally-unraveled/
"a staggering, often breathtaking work"

Greg Kot at the Chicago Tribune:
http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/turn_it_up/2010/11/album-review-kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy.html
"It’s a turbulent combination of sounds: brooding and chastened in the verses, oddly triumphant and darkly humorous during the choruses. "

Chris Martins at SPIN:
http://www.spin.com/reviews/kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy-roc-fella
"He's trying to make a masterpiece...for us, it's a blessing

David Browne at Time Magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2031708,00.html
"My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, his most extravagant work, is hip hop's version of grand opera: a congested, constantly bustling disc stuffed with oversized drama, guest rappers, insanely eclectic samples and backup vocals"

that should get you started. But be warned, your raging jones for hyperbole is going be on UBER tilt. Nonetheless, they all look to be pretty accessible via e-mail so that should give you plenty to do this weekend.

  

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343. "this shows how thick headed and sensitive you are"
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lol@you actually took the time to do all that? you're lamer than i thought.

you're a fucking moron, you know that?
you think this shit is FOR REA FOR REAL YO, don't you?

yeah, fuckstick
i'm going to seek out everyone who creams their pants at the sound of this album and tell them what i think of them
you're missing the point, salad tosser
idon't care that you're feeling this album
there are plenty of heads who love the album in the very thread
i myself enjoy the album- like, don't love it mind you

i singled your bitch ass out for your posts telling people they are pussies and lames if they don't feel the same way
next you'll linking me to okp's who've said similar things or whatever
just accept defeat and kim, fuckboy

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332. "As a collective piece of work, GOOD Friday tracks or this album?"
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337. "this album is ridiculoid."
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vague

but accurate...

  

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342. "why the HELL is the joy not on this??"
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344. "because it's an album and not a collection of songs.."
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can you honestly hear the joy on this album??? bonus track maybe

  

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347. "yes, i can actually"
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moreso than so appalled, hell of a life, and monster to a lesser extent.

  

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345. "Also, I'm going to need an instrumental version of this album"
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Like, right away, thanks

And not that lame You Tube loop bullshit that second-rate DJs do all the fuckin' time

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349. "Reading the replies in this thread is fucking hilarious..."
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this kid tiger woods was spazzing out on anybody that didn't like the album....looking like the biggest bitch....lol...even funnier was cold truth antagonizing his ass because of it...hahaha...




this album is extra hit,and miss....had some nice moments,and some real weak ass moments....also some unecessary moments...(like the auto tune/vocoder addition to runaway)....nothing especially great about the album.....but it has brought a ton of hilarious back,and forths...

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

  

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351. "I think the 'unnecessary' stuff adds a unique touch"
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it's not just straight beats and rhymes...in my opinion differentiates the sound from what else is out now

  

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363. "it maybe unique,but it made the song drag,and ruined a really good song...."
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some things are better left alone....or if he wanted to add something to it..why not some nice instrumentation...the whole auto tune laced tirade at the end was just grating on the ears imo...

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

  

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376. "To each his own. The LCD Soundsystem album from earlier"
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this year does the same thing with "dragging on" etc, and I personally didn't like it at all. But I love how Kanye's done it on this. I've yet to have the urge to skip any of those "dragging on" endings, and I've pretty much had the album on repeat since the dirty leaked.

"Yes I see all the nummmberrs... I still root for the dreeeamerrs... I thank God for the dreeeamerrs..." - Mos

  

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350. "Only 9 songs in...Hell of A Life just slayed me"
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Great sequencing on this album, runaway was on some melodic shit...Hell of a life pipes in and hits my eardrums hard.

The social content and schizophrenic, egotistical yet pensive stream of consciousness musings from on this album shows West is trying to understand his self. He's set a new peak in his personal/professional career

Album of the year so far, welcome back Mr. West

Blame Game up next...piano bit is beautiful

  

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352. "Pitchfork review"
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http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/14880-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy/


Kanye West
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy



10.0

Kanye West's 35-minute super-video, Runaway, peaks with a parade. Fireworks flash while red hoods march through a field. At the center of the spectacle is a huge, pale, cartoonish rendering of Michael Jackson's head. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy's gargantuan "All of the Lights" soundtracks the procession, with Kanye pleading, "Something wrong, I hold my head/ MJ gone, our nigga dead." The tribute marks another chapter in West's ongoing obsession with the King of Pop.

West's discography contains innumerable references and allusions to Jackson. His first hit as a producer, Jay-Z's "Izzo (H.O.V.A.)", sampled the Jackson 5's "I Want You Back". For many, his first memorable lines as a rapper came during 2003's "Slow Jamz": "She got a light-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson/ Got a dark-skinned friend look like Michael Jackson." And when West's recent interview with Matt Lauer on the "Today" show went awry, he took to Twitter, writing, "I wish Michael Jackson had twitter!!!!!! Maybe Mike could have explained how the media tried to set him up!!! It's all a fucking set up!!!!" Like most everything else, Kanye may exaggerate the kinship, but it's real. And it's never more apparent than on Twisted Fantasy, a blast of surreal pop excess that few artists are capable of creating, or even willing to attempt.

To be clear, Kanye West is not Michael Jackson. As he told MTV last month, "I do have a goal in this lifetime to be the greatest artist of all time, that's very difficult being that I can't dance or sing." He ended the thought with a laugh, but you get the impression he's not kidding. Unlike Michael, he's not interested in scrubbing away bits of himself-- his blackness, his candidness-- to appease the masses. And while Jackson's own twisted fantasies of paranoia and betrayal eventually consumed him whole, West is still aware of his illusions, though that mindfulness becomes increasingly unmoored with each newspaper-splashing controversy. The balance is tenuous, but right now it's working to his advantage. On Twisted Fantasy, Kanye is crazy enough to truly believe he's the greatest out there. And, about a decade into his career, the hardworking perfectionist has gained the talent on the mic and in the control room to make a startlingly strong case for just that.

Kanye's last album, 2008's 808s and Heartbreak, was heavy on the Auto-Tune and stark synths, but relatively light on grandiose ideas. It was a necessary detour that expanded his emotional palette; a bloodletting after a harsh breakup and the passing of his mother that manifests itself in Twisted Fantasy's harshest lows. But musically, the new album largely continues where 2007's Graduation left off in its maximalist hip-hop bent, with flashes of The College Dropout's comfort-food sampling and Late Registration's baroque instrumentation weaved in seamlessly. As a result, the record comes off like a culmination and an instant greatest hits, the ultimate realization of his strongest talents and divisive public persona. And since the nerd-superstar rap archetype he popularized has now become commonplace, he leaves it in the dust, taking his style and drama to previously uncharted locales, far away from typical civilization.

He's got a lot on his mind, too. After exiling himself for months following last year's infamous Taylor Swift stage bomb, the rapper made some of his first comeback appearances at the headquarters of Facebook and Twitter in late July. Videos of West standing on a table in tailored GQ duds while gesticulating through new rhymes (sans musical accompaniment) quickly made the rounds. The Silicon Valley visits seemed like a stunt, but they were prophetic. Forever an over-sharer, Kanye was looking for an outlet for his latest mirror-born musings. He found that platform with Twitter, and proceeded to dictate his own narrative in 140 character hits. Whether showing off exotic purchases, defending himself against the press, or going on stream-of-consciousness rants, Kanye finally had the middleman-free, instant-gratification platform he'd always wanted.

Juiced on the direct connection, he began releasing weekly songs for free online, the generosity of which would be moot if the songs didn't deliver. But they did, over and over, eventually building up the same type of superstar goodwill Radiohead pulled off with their pay-what-you-want In Rainbows release plan and Lil Wayne's free mixtape barrage leading up to 2008's Tha Carter III. So while Kanye can't sing or dance like Michael, he's making meaningful connections in a fresh, oftentimes (ahem) naked way. "When I used to finish an album I would be so excited for my mom to hear the final - final!" he wrote on November 11. "The final - final is what we used to call the... completed album with all the skits!!! I made songs to please one person... MY MOM!!! I would think... would my my Mom like this song!"

I'm not sure which song he's talking about. Because, between July and November, West seemingly decided to make My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy less mom-friendly and more of a hedonistic exploration into a rich and famous American id. At Facebook, he rapped the first verse of what would become album closer "Lost in the World", at one point changing Michael Jackson's "Wanna Be Startin' Something" refrain to, "Mama-say mama-sah Mama Donda's son," referring to his late mother. The familial allusion was left off the album. Another Facebook tune-- a brutally oedipal account called "Mama's Boyfriend"-- was also deleted, along with the vintage-Kanye-sounding "See Me Now". Such exclusions speak to the album's sharp focus-- to move everything forward while constantly tipping on the brink of frantic instability.

This isn't the same resourceful prodigy who made The College Dropout or even the wounded soul behind 808s and Heartbreak. Instead, Kanye's Twisted Fantasy incarnation cherry-picks little things from his previous work and blows them up into something less than sane. The expansive, all-encompassing nature of the album is borne out in its staggering guest list which includes mentors Jay-Z, RZA, and No ID, along with new charges like Nicki Minaj, Rick Ross, Kid Cudi, and Bon Iver's Justin Vernon. The inclusion of Minaj (who contributes the schizoid verse of her life on "Monster"), Ross (a guy known for making up his own reality as he goes), and Cudi (who's probably even more wildly self-destructive than Kanye) especially adds to the hallucinatory tone. By the time Chris Rock shows up to provide comic relief during one of the album's bleakest moments, it begins to feel as if Kanye is stage-managing his own award show with enough starpower, shock, and dynamism to flatten the Grammys, the VMAs, and the rest all at once.

Over the past few months, Kanye has intermittently tried to flush away his rep as a boorish egoist in interviews and on Twitter, which is, fortunately, impossible. Because without his exploding self-worth-- itself a cyclical reaction to the self-doubt so much of his music explores-- there would be no Twisted Fantasy. "Every superhero needs his theme music," he says on "POWER", and though he's far from the virtuous paragons of comic book lore, he's no less complex. In his public life, he exhibits vulnerability and invincibility in equal measure, but he's just as apt at villainy-- especially here.

With "Runaway", he rousingly highlights his own douchebaggery, turning it into a rallying cry for all humanity. Like many of his greatest songs, it's funny, sad, and perversely relatable. And while the royal horns and martial drums of "All of the Lights" make it sound like the ideal outlet for the most over-the-top boasts imaginable, West instead inhabits the role of an abusive deadbeat desperate to make good on a million blown promises. "Hell of a Life" attempts to bend its central credo-- "no more drugs for me, pussy and religion is all I need"-- into a noble pursuit. As a woofer-mulching synth line lurks, Kanye justifies his dreams of not sleeping with but marrying a porn star, peaking with the combative taunt, "How can you say they live they life wrong/ When you never fuck with the lights on." Inspired by his two-year relationship with salacious model Amber Rose, the song blurs the line between fantasy and reality, sex and romance, love and religion, until no lines exist at all. It's a zonked nirvana with demons underneath; a fragile state that can't help but break apart on the very next song.

The haunted, Aphex Twin-sampling "Blame Game" bottoms out with a verse in which Kanye's voice is sped up, slowed down and stretched out. The effect is almost psychotic, suggesting three or four inner monologues fighting over smashed emotions. It's one of many moments on the record where West manipulates his vocals. Whether funneling some of his best-ever rhymes through a tinny, Strokes-like filter on "Gorgeous" or making himself wail like a dying cyborg in the final minutes of "Runaway", he uses studio wizardry to draw out his multitudes. Tellingly, though, he doesn't get the last word the album. That distinction goes to the sobering tones of Gil Scott-Heron's 1970 spoken-word piece "Comment #1", a stark take on the American fable. "All I want is a good home and a wife and children and some food to feed them every night," says Scott-Heron, bringing the fantasy to a close.

On "POWER", Kanye raps, "My childlike creativity, purity, and honesty is honestly being crowded by these grown thoughts/ Reality is catching up with me, taking my inner child, I'm fighting for custody." The lines nail another commonality between the rapper and his hero. Like Michael, Kanye's behavior-- from the poorly planned outbursts to the musical brilliance-- is wide-eyed in a way that most 33 year olds have long left behind. That naivety is routinely battered on Twisted Fantasy, yet it survives, better for the wear. With his music and persona both marked by a flawed honesty, Kanye's man-myth dichotomy is at once modern and truly classic. "I can't be everybody's hero and villain, savior and sinner, Christian and anti Christ!" he wrote earlier this month. That may be true, but he's more willing than anyone else to try.

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364. "jesus cristo."
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383. "i think this is their first 10 rating for a new release since 2002"
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354. "weren't there supposed to be a bunch of itunes bonus tracks?"
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looks like its just 'see me now'

  

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367. "There's a booklet of all the covers inside."
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But you can't interchange them.

  

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355. "Where's the Phoenix Album cover??"
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Are there still going to be multiple abum covers? The only one I saw in the shops had a ballet dancer..

  

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357. "i think they're INSIDE the packaging and interchangeable "
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i remember seeing ye show it off during one of those ustream things.. i'm on my way to the store now, i'll let u know for sure in a bit..

  

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365. "there are 5 different covers u can slide into the slot"
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unfortunately the phoenix cover is the censored, pixelated version on iTunes.

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356. "still have yet to listen to it..."
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but i'm verrrrrry skeptical. and i know this sounds crazy, but universal acclaim only reinforces my skepticism. don't truly great works of art tend to be divisive and controversial? on top of which, i've just never heard anything from kanye that shows genuine musical chops. he overcompensates for not being talented by being grandiose. it's not even about musical training, but an ingrained musical talent and creativity that i just don't see in him. i do see some artistic vision, though, and I'm sure that's what reviewers are attracted to, since that's mostly all they hear.

it also seems that the album is immune to criticism for being self-indulgent, as if that's one of its virtues. however, i always thought of self-indulgence as an artistic weakness. critics seem to confuse it for "ambition," although there is a fine line between the two.

anyway, i will listen to it eventually, but i just feel like i could review it without ever having listened to it, since all its value seems to be "conceptual" rather than "musical."

  

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359. "it sounds like the enjoyment factor is varied though"
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i've heard a lot of ppl say they don't like it... but i think from a, more or less, "objective" standpoint, it'd be really hard to give it a bad *review*.. those tend not to focus on how much the reviewer likes it, but how everything works together and different elements... and i think looking at it from that standpoint, it'd be hard to give this a weak review.. "i don't like 7 min. songs" or "i get bored during instrumentals" or "this isn't what i was expecting" - that stuff is only valid when talking about how much you like or dislike something.. and that's all preference.. the reviews are explaining what he did on the album, not the reaction to it necessarily... or at least, that's how i look at reviews.. obviously, whether it appeals to you is gonna tint how much you notice some of the good/bad aspects.. it'd be hard for me to give a *perfect* score to something i didn't like, but at the same time, i've noticed greatness in albums i didn't personally dig all that much.. i dunno.. my take

  

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361. "RE: it sounds like the enjoyment factor is varied though"
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>i've heard a lot of ppl say they don't like it... but i think
>from a, more or less, "objective" standpoint, it'd be really
>hard to give it a bad *review*.. those tend not to focus on
>how much the reviewer likes it, but how everything works
>together and different elements... and i think looking at it
>from that standpoint, it'd be hard to give this a weak
>review.. "i don't like 7 min. songs" or "i get bored during
>instrumentals" or "this isn't what i was expecting" - that
>stuff is only valid when talking about how much you like or
>dislike something.. and that's all preference.. the reviews
>are explaining what he did on the album, not the reaction to
>it necessarily... or at least, that's how i look at reviews..
>obviously, whether it appeals to you is gonna tint how much
>you notice some of the good/bad aspects.. it'd be hard for me
>to give a *perfect* score to something i didn't like, but at
>the same time, i've noticed greatness in albums i didn't
>personally dig all that much.. i dunno.. my take

you bring up an interesting point, and I think one of the great things about works of art like this one is that it raises these types of questions.

the issue for me however is that the examples you give - e.g. getting "bored" during long instrumental breaks - don't apply to my musical taste. I'd agree with you that your arguments works for a certain type of musical taste, but that just doesn't happen to accurately describe mine.

in fact, i feel like i am trying to look at it from an objective point of view. how more objective can you be about a piece of music than looking at the basic musical elements? in other words, i'm looking for creative rhythms, compelling melodies, complex harmonic progression, original sounds, interesting structures, unique or skillful methods or processes, poetic or well-constructed lyrics, anything that shows some innate or learned musical talent on a fundamental level. like i said, i haven't listened to it, so it might be there. but none of the reviews seem to suggest those elements. it's mostly about him being a celebrity, and how "epic" and "ambitious" it is.

  

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358. "Anyone have the bonus tracks? Buying a physical copy "
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and I'd still like to have them, too.

"Chain Heavy" feat. M.I.A
"Momma’s Boyfriend"
"Power (Remix)" feat. Jay-Z & Swizz Beatz
"Pure" feat. Mr Hudson

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360. "RE: Anyone have the bonus tracks? Buying a physical copy "
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Seems like these tracks have disapeared. They aren't showing up as iTunes Bonus Tracks anymore.

I'm confused...

  

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366. "They were never officially put on the track list."
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People just assumed they would be included.

  

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368. "RE: They were never officially put on the track list."
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Actually, they were on the iTunes track list for a while. I don't know where they get their list from, but they were def there for a while as pre-order for the Deluxe Edition.

  

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369. "nicki on them titties when i sign it"
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they that shit play on the radio. how could they miss that? lol. they don't censor "titties" on the radio now?

  

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370. "Amazon got the album for $3.99"
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375. "copped..."
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how is anyone making money on this?

respect,
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371. "Did Jon Brion contribute to this album???"
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Anyone know..??

listening to the album right now, it's really good...

  

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372. "nah, it looks like mike dean did the majority of random instrumental"
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>Anyone know..??
>
>listening to the album right now, it's really good...

flourishes

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377. "I'm pretty sure Jeff Bhasker did most of the orchestration "
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He's been working with Kanye since the Glow in the Dark tour. Helped him on 808's, Cudi's debut, BP3, etc.

Mike Dean also helped with the mixing and I'm sure the drums.

  

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373. "Monsters chorus should have come in right after Nikkis verse"
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still a 10


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374. "RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"
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go to amazon and get it for 7.99, dont be a chump like me and get it off itunes for 14.99.

PEACE LOVE and MONEY

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381. "Amazon had it for 3.99 earlier today."
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379. "Q-TIp did "ALL OF THE LIGHTS"?"
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but his name aint in the credits

http://twitter.com/QtipTheAbstract/statuses/6579191180951553

"cop the kanye album... chain heavy, all of the lights are my contributions. the whole joint is craazy."

"iamrecogninzingthatthevoi
ceinsidemyheadisurgingm
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380. "I heard him say on his XXL Ustream that..."
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he did some drum programming on it. He also mentioned he's producing an entire album for Roc Marciano. Kinda surprised no blogs reported that.

  

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382. "Someone didn't tell Tip....."
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Kanye gave away Chain Heavy...

  

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384. "You gotta appreciate the sound Ye goes for on every album...."
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with the exception of one or maybe two songs, each album always sounds different and unique compared to the next... Runaway would be the exception on this album I feel... Sounds like it could've been on Graduation... Couple tracks from Late could've been on the Dropout... My point is the albums, for the most part, are very different... No other artist does this, atleast not in hip hop... None that I've heard... 5 albums, all much different from the last... The result of this is: he stays relevant, loses fans, gains fans, and constantly has people wanting to hear what he's gonna come out with next... Even some of those GOOD Friday tracks had a vibe to them that wouldn't fit on this album, but bunched together sound great... I really believe that Kanye is the reason Jay Z can still sit on the top of hip hop right now... but thats a different post...

  

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>My point is the albums, for
>the most part, are very different... No other artist does
>this, atleast not in hip hop...

  

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I definitely agree with that... So theres Kast and Kanye... Probably more, but more than likely, none that are as relevant....

  

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385. "Here's my review:"
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Let me tell you what My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (Roc-A-Fella) is not. It is not another pop album from Kanye West, in that it doesn’t cater to generic pop music standards. With that said, pop music at its best has never been generic, but the artist who chooses not to take risks with what they are given, be it a song, the music, or their own talents. Hip-hop and pop music: we like to think that they should never be bed mates, but hip-hop has been one of the more popular forms of mainstream music for decades. That means longer than a few years, shorter than a century. It’s as if there’s still a fear that hip-hop will be bigger than life, when the music itself is meant to make you feel that way, or as if life didn’t matter and all is good and great in the world. A lot of artists who choose to call themselves hip-hop create music with fear, with hesitation, and that’s why there’s that non-existent community of naysayers called haters. Despite everything you know, understand, and/or believe about Kanye West as a persona, it’s not his music. At his best, West is someone who takes risks, is willing to try new or previously-at-rest techniques and present them in a fashion that makes him look and sound bigger than thou, and that’s cool. It benefits him as an artist, producer, and entertainer. Put the jazz hands in your pockets, that’s not what I mean. What exactly is My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. It’s his fifth album with a five-word album title. It’s a metaphor for his music, his outlook in his career, the ultimate glory in what any artist wants from his fans. He’s living his fantasy, he’s bathing in the glory, and most of all, we’re all in it for the ride.

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is an accumulation of everything West has experienced in his life following the release of an album that has fans as it has enemies, 808′s & Heartbreak. It was an album that had him singing and creating pop songs, by someone who really doesn’t have a singing voice. Was he trying to say that hip-hop broke his heart, as so many have tried to do but failed? After the grief he went through following the passing of his mother, and some of the peaks and valleys of his music and life in the media, he shut everyone out and create a unique tale that became his mock fantasy, told in album form. It’s an album made to be listened to as an album, which may seem old and outdated by the general populace, but for West it is always about the show. He is a showman, and without the show, he is nothing. Albums are meant to be experienced as a sonic show, a sound play, something that jazz artists and classical composers understood for years. As music became profitable as popular music, the emphasis was on one song, as it was believed one song could change your life. The album was not a big deal in the pop realm until the late 1960′s, when rock’n'roll would take cues from jazz and classical and explore the idea of making unique worlds in 40 minutes or less. Other genres would follow. Hip-hop has always been about the power of that one banging song, but hip-hop at its best was when hip-hop became a generation’s CNN and “the new rock’n'roll”. As hip-hop became more mainstream and found its audience growing, it lost touch with the idea of long-distance and exploring and chose to have a stay-cation in the clubs. Meanwhile,those who chose to explore found themselves with small packs of associates who were willing to go on the trip.

In the last year, West has talked about this album being a return to a time when hip-hop meant the world to all of us. Some bloggers said it was the return of the boom bap in 2010, the idea that almost every new single, album, and artist coming out was celebrated for good and bad, not for how many jail terms they had or who was the mother of their child. The first cue of what this album could be like was the release of “Power”, a song co-produced with Symbolyc One. S1, as he is known, has a great style of production that dips back to the glory days of sample-based production, and I became a deeper fan when he produced a track for Portland rapper Braille called “It’s Nineteen”. I’ve been a fan of Braille for awhile, and while I am not religious by any means, I always got into the positivity he shared in his music. So here’s a track where he’s talking about understanding the limits of life, but why not go one higher? S1 pulled a much-used beat and placed it in the track, and along with vocalist Ragen Fykes, they both said “in my meditation I saw a manifestation of elevation.” I was sold: Braille’s positive lyrics mixed in with an incredibly funky track from S1, mixed in with beautiful vocal accents from Fykes, and I wanted to hear more. He did other tracks, but then it became known that he was collaborating with Kanye West. WHAT? How did that happen? Then the song leaked, and that King Crimson sample did it for me. As someone who has sampled King Crimson in my own works but failed to be heard, it was great to hear someone pull this off, use a progressive rock classic and make it work within the context of what West was doing, what West has become for some people. Was he describing himself as the schizoid man, or are we as crazy as he wants us to be, and he’s laughing at us? The lyrics have West getting into a very dark place, and then wishes for a beautiful death. Was this him talking about a suicide, or is he thinking in metaphors of pleasure? The term “instant death” is an old school phrase for “orgasm”, something Eddie Harris and Beastie Boys knew all too well when they used it. If it’s meant to say that life could begin and end in an instant like the feeling of orgasm, then West was going to see his death, his career, as something that comes and goes like a shooting star. Was he describing himself as the shooting star, or was he shooting something else across the universe? One version of the song surfaced, and then other versions would have added lines, so it seemed even as fans became aware he was about to release new music, he was changing and evolving his song in real time. Then the title of the album became known, which was also changed slightly in the last minute. The album cover was revealed, said to have been banned but may have been nothing more than attention grabber to get people to talk. I felt the cover may have been one of a number of images meant to represent the music. Very few in hip-hop have ever explored the idea of alternate/multiple covers, the exception being The Roots for their 1999 album Things Fall Apart. It is something that has been done in rock’n'roll by everyone from Led Zeppelin to The Police, and now it seems with a King Crimson sample and Cold Grits break as the key, and an album title as the red carpet, it was now time to walk into the castle and kingdom that is Kanye, Willy Wonka style.
Lyrically, West is at the top of his game, but he has always had the gift of gab with a swagger that he enjoys playing out publicly, but always works best (IMHO) in his music.

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Stadiq
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386. "why wasn't it a double album?"
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If you consider all the songs that were cut, Kanye's ego/ambition, the budget, the guests...this could have easily been a double album it seems.

I guess he actually showed restraint?

Anyway, outstanding album. Not perfect, but he definitely swung for the fences and made it.


I didn't listen to any Good Friday joints though, except for Chain Heavy and Dont Look Down. Both could have fit I think. Chain Heavy could have been a nice break from the heaviness towards the end of the album...and Don't Look Down definitely would have fit.

I thought I would complain about all the guests, but somehow it works and doesn't feel forced. I guess when you read about the making of the album, this makes sense.

I can't get behind that Runaway joint though.

We will see how this holds up, but I am impressed. People really don't like So Appalled?

Hopefully it sells. Between that and the critical acclaim, maybe it will push others to step their game up.

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387. "half the songs are absolutely horrible imo. and i'm a kanye stan"
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388. "listening as we speak right now"
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got up to "All Of The Lights"
cant believe he is on that bongo drum shit again
shouldve let that track breathe a bit
great track but the bongos are annoying

  

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389. "RE: listening as we speak right now"
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Monster and So Appalled are legit

Devil In A Blue Dress is very reminiscent of Jay-Z's "Girls,Girls,Girls" on that Just Blaze soul sample, dope guitar and piano

  

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390. "great album"
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his best yet
very cohesive (i didnt feel the urge to hit fast forward)
great production (boom bap drums meet arena rock / orchestra)
not many songs that are on par with previous singles
but the songs are great and work better as a body of work unified
great album
kanye deserves his props
bravo
i believe this will be the new bench mark for major label hiphop artists will be reaching for from now on
lets face it hiphop has changed and mutated over the years, lets embrace it from what it has done and the possibilities that are being explored by folks like kanye

  

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391. "all of the lights is Hollywood (jayz+beyonce) levels bad imo"
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394. "This record gets better with every listen"
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I suppose that's that "replay value" you dickheads keep yammering on about

And the beats are stuck in my head... yes, even All of the Lights and So Appalling...

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395. "RE: kanYe west - my beautiful dark twisted fantasy"
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Listened to it about 10 times through over the past week...just not impressed...to me it's he is just another digestable artist that has a huge marketing machine behind him...if we are talkin new to newer school artists, these two songs alone are better than anything on Ye's LP...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmmFBTjypgs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lg-y0FXet0

the lyrics, the beats, come on if yall can't hear the difference, I don't know what to say..and it's not just about Blu, cause there is A LOT of new dope ish out, just people are not aware...another example is the Nas/Marley project, which IMO shits on the new Ye...anyway, just my thoughts, I know cats will follow up wanting to cut my head off...gotta run...will be back later to fight with yall...PEACE!?!?

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398. "bad examples, but i agree with your overall sentiments"
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the album just sounds watered down and soft to me, and the prolonged arrangements aren't all that aesthetically pleasing or interesting.

i usually go with the consensus on the lesson but i guess there's always exceptions (e.g. This album, Black Milk, and Cuban Linx 2)

  

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401. "RE: bad examples, but i agree with your overall sentiments"
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...in all sincerety, are you saying you don't dig these tracks, or they are just not comparable to Ye? What I'm saying is that there is quality Hip Hop out there in 2010, all I ask is that before cats write off Hip Hop/and or diss Ye, just know there are alternatives if you dig a little deeper...some more bangers from new(er) cats...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuYOvTvBQE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKsPf4FSoig

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M2CMPFp2Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prahcH5xVxg

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402. "i wouldn't compare much of what blu has done outside of BTH"
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to anything kanye has done, ever. kanye is on a completely different level than blu, imo.

as for the other tracks you posted, it's mostly boom bap type shit. that's cool, but i'm not sure if you're saying these tracks are better than what's on ye's album or you're just giving examples of dope hiphop in 2010. if it's the latter, i don't think most people in this post would disagree with you about that.

  

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404. "RE: i wouldn't compare much of what blu has done outside of BTH"
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...I understand where your coming from as far as saying Ye is on another level than Blu, but that's also where I have a problem. As a fan, I look at music from an artistic standpoint, letting my ear determine the quality, weather under ground or commercial. I mean I understand the business side of things, but could never really understand how cats refuse to be critical of artists just cause they push numbers. 99% of the people in this post are fans, and are getting 0 proceeds from the sales of the product, so why does it matter to said fan that Kanye is gettin paid? Maybe thats another discussion...I guess you can say I call it as I hear it, state my opionion and keep it movin....In regard to your statement, to be clear, I am sayin that not only are those tracks I posted better than anything ye dropped on his project (IMO of course), but also examples of quality ish according to me in "10"...nothing more, nothing less...

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403. "Any other specific albums?"
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I'm not dissing, because I respect your opinions and usually agree with you.

But, to me...2010 has been a very slow year. Maybe I am missing some.

I didn't dig Distant Relatives. To me, it has had no replay value. I loved Patience...but beyond that I don't think I have listened to it in months. I don't find Marley interesting (personal taste) and Nas just sounds like he is on cruise control (I loved Untitled- still do for the record)

How I Got Over was a snoozefest, RPM was a let down, not feeling Roc Marciano or whatever.

Before this dropped, my top albums were Shad TSOL, that Skyzoo and Illmind joint, and maybe that Atmoshphere release. Curren$y was good but not my taste. Li(f)e was outstanding, but again not my specific taste. I know I am forgetting something at the moment, but the fact remains-

I feel like Ye came through and kicked everyone's a$$ in 2010. Its not perfect, but it is outstanding. You really don't feel (at the very least) the first 3 songs?? Devil in a New Dress? Blame Game?

I don't know, this is pretty good music. And it has personality- it, to me, is dynamic. Just seems like hip hop this year has been kind of safe and bland...



  

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405. "RE: Any other specific albums?"
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...agreed on the point about Hip Hop in 2010, the weakest year I can remember for front to back quality in a LONG time...there are only 6 projects I can say that I can sit down and listen too front to back...

The Roots "HIGO"--I dig it, I know you said you didn't, but too me it's grown folks Hip Hop that displays just another side of the crew...

Homeboy Sandman "The Good Sun"--A lot of dope beats, and cat is coming crazy original, not afraid to do him, and he pulls it off...dope word play and all around skill shown...

Nas/Marley "Distant Relatives"--damn, gotta disagree again cat! I mean the themes, the beats, Nas does his thing...I liked it as a complete project...

Slum Village "Villa Manifesto"--I can listen to about 90% of this ish and it's dope..."Earl Flynn" alone almost makes it worth the purchase...great to hear Phife too...dig it...

Count Bass D and DJ Pocket "Activity"--creative project, dope production, and what I really respect about it is that Count and DJ Pocket (who I know nothing about) let some real no-names rhyme, and they killed it...you can tell that they put some time into the project and did not just let anyone get up and spit on it...gotta respect it...

J-Live "Undivided Attention"--too me this is just one of those artists that stays putting out quality, honest ish....one of my fav. cats all time...

...I am not done giving the Ye spins completely, so I will do what I can with those first 3 tracks...

Peace and enjoy the holiday....

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412. "RE: Any other specific albums?"
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Homeboy Sandman...that's what I was forgetting. Dope album.

Still have to check the new Slum though...I lost interest when I heard the Elzhi verses were scaled back...at this point just give me an Elzhi solo.

How I Got Over wasn't a *bad* album, I have just been damn hard on it because I just expect more from the Roots (as far as my taste goes I guess). I want them to try some borderline overboard stuff like Ye did...I think they could do it better if they stretched.

(Plus, when I saw it at Starbucks I couldn't help but snicker. Not mad at the hustle, just sounds like a Starbucks album to me and my point was validated. Then again who am I to talk, I was the one AT Starbucks)

I'll have to give Distant Relatives another spin.



  

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418. "RE: Any other specific albums?"
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...after listening to the Kanye again, I do respect the music/arrangements/beats, and where he is trying to go, but the lyrics/his voice/flow is just something I never dug...I know there has been years of debate up in here in the past concerning him as an MC versus his production skill, and don't really want to re-ignite that, but to me he just is not a MC that impresses me on the MIC...can't front on his production though....

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413. "you need to add BIG krit and Big boi to that"
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and some others

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396. "I wish it wasn't so loud"
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Not sure if they're hot mixes or just a loud master, but I think that with so much going on in these songs, it'd be nice to have some more dynamics

I like the album tho. Its intersting.

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400. "This.is.good."
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what a pleasant surprise lol

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406. "10/10 his best LP imo"
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409. "can anyone hip me to Mike Dean shit outside of Ye and Scareface?"
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motherfucker is a monster

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410. "Yes he is"
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I can't help you out, but I was thinking the same thing when I read the liner notes. Haven't heard many talk about his contribution either...but he is all over this thing.

Other than his stuff with Rap-a-lot, I have no idea. Pretty sure he was trying to release a 2Pac album like 10 years ago, I think some of his remixes leaked too...

  

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411. "i know his rap a lot work and previous Ye shit(Heaven off of The Fix)"
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423. "see: C-Bo Till My Casket Drops ..once i heard that i was a fan"
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416. "Quadruple platinum post??"
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...this album's worth it.

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417. "Greatness"
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Some of the songs are longer than I'd like and there are some GOOD Friday joints I liked better, but even the songs I didn't like as much initially have grown on me. The successful moments are far outweigh the missteps.

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419. "it's just starting to hit me how ill the "so appalled" beat is"
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there are so many layers to this shit that you can't even hear unless you got an advanced soundsystem/headphones

this is definitely kanye's best album. LR is close but it has some filler tracks, this one is much more concise while being even more ambitious in sound and scope.

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420. "I would take off So Appalled and Hell of a Life...."
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Runaway has kinda grown on me, but I still sometimes skip it...

Love the intro of All of the Lights... Song goes hard... Really sounds like it's gonna be Kanye's ultimate stadium song... I can just see him going way over the top when performing it...

Dark Fantasy and Gorgeous are by far my favorites...

Album is pretty damn good... Probably the best album I've heard this year... Hope it wins the grammy so we don't all have to hear Ye lose his fucking balls crying about how they'll never give him a chance and that Taylor Swift shit cost him album of the year...

But really, thats only if I don't hear a better album... The only year I thought he should've won was when Late Registration came out... I think U2 won that year... That album was garbage...

  

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422. "Interesting writers credits in the liner notes"
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Rhymefest on "Gorgeous". Malik Yusef on 4 tracks.

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425. "Yeah I saw that too"
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And RZA getting writing credits for "So Appalled" surprised me too, considering I thought he part was pre-written according to that Complex mag article.

  

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426. "Drake on "All of the Lights" although he's nowhere on the album"
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424. "Ok now that the newness wore off ..this album isnt great "
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i find myself skipping the shit outta all of my life,Runaway, lost in the world

its still a 8.5/10 tho
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