"I dont know what Questlove is talking about but Pete Rock can"
still hire some musicians to play some horns and keys. He dont need no big budget record label in order to make great music. Whats the price today for some funky drums and slick baselines? Didnt know that was pricey, aiight.
Plus i'm sure Pete Rock wouldn't appreciate him saying he's wasting his years away.
1. "?uest also said that Pete was limited as a producer" In response to Reply # 0 Sun Jul-04-10 04:29 PM by Garhart Poppwell
because he's 'hamstrung without records' but I'd like to know what he thinks about the beats he plays keys/bass on he usually does this when comparing him to Dilla so I wouldn't say ?uest is the best source on Pete's capabilities to make great beats with or without samples not that it matters, great music is great music
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BLVR: If you were the commissioner of hiphop, what would you institute as new rules?
AT: My life’s goal is to find a happy medium for sampling to be not only legal but for the right parties to benefit from it. There have to be sampling laws. The survival of hiphop is based on that. Just make it legal and have an actual scaled rate for it. I mean, Pete Rock is wasting some of the best years of his life right now because he’s being handicapped because he can’t sample. It’s way too expensive. The reason why Jay-Z was able to make The Blueprint is because the motherfucker’s got a $2 million recording budget. He could pay for samples like that. ---------------------------------------------------------
You know not every opinion said by ?uesto isn't what shall be, he is right about sample laws holding a lot of producers back especially when rappers need to work within a budget but Pete isn't handicap cause of it.
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13. "Yeah Kats Taking A Few Words & Stretching It" In response to Reply # 10
What gets me is that this interview was done back in 2003, so much has changed since then, especially kats who sample getting much more range to release music officially that has samples all over the place.
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18. "thats not the one I was talking about tho" In response to Reply # 6
the one I was speaking on had him saying exactly what I said he said but then again, he also said that only half of Soul Survivor was good
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31. "yep, his exacts words were 'half of its whatever'" In response to Reply # 28
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19. "He said Pete Rock is handicapped because he cant sample" In response to Reply # 15
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What i'm saying is if Pete Rock is really a great producer he should be able to still make great music. Theres a tons of producers who are still making heat. Not sure some of you are getting my point.
40. "in context, he said he's hamstrung by sampling LAWS.." In response to Reply # 19
not the fact that his only means of making beats is by sampling.
I interpreted what he said to mean "sample" producers and "instrument" producers are a basically equal level skill-wise, and that the sample-based producers at inherently disadvantaged by the laws, not their skills.
42. "He's not saying that PR can't make great music" In response to Reply # 19
He's saying he excels in sampling-based production and when you take that away that closes off a large part of his creative output. Like you said if he's a great producer he'd be able to work around that but Quest never got that far in his explanation nor do I think he'd disagree with that idea.
36. "Quest also needs to understand that who the President is don't mean shit" In response to Reply # 4
he's right about the birth of Hip-Hop during the Regan era. that wasn't no coincidence. but now? W. Bush era Hip-Hop was better than the Clinton era? thats highly debatable.
and now what? because the President is Black its all good? shit is fucked up. (obviously i know Quest knows that. . ie: three dire Roots records in a row) but who the President is doesn't make life any better in the hood. in fact, having a Black President, who is intelligent, worldly and progressive, only accentuates what a disastrous country we live in in 2010. we are the problem. there are many reasons Hip-Hop artists have to be lighting fires in the booth regardless of who the Pres is. trust me. . i don't expect there to be classic Hip-Hop records dropping left and right when Sarah Palin is President.
I don't agree with most of the shit he's saying here but its really informative nonetheless
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23. "swipe of the relevant stuff" In response to Reply # 16
qoolquest said:
look. both are superb. but i'm here to really really really up the ante. fuck this polite shit. imma say it.
jay dee is the best producer in hip hop.
period. ever. eva eva eva ever? (c) dre
pete. great. but limited. unless it is sample based he cannot freak it. yes i said it. if you took all his records away. pete would be handicapped. i know. i have beat tapes. pete's gift is in samples.
primo. hey he is mr. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". and being as though ain't no one gonna challenge him, he will recycle the same drums over over over ova ova ova ova (c) ?uest doin dre. when motivated (big project like jigga or biggie) he will switch his pitch up. not much. but enough. just saying that once again. if i had an 808 machine and a casio. i doubt that primo would make y'all backflip like "come clean" was on.
dre. okay not many heads put dre in the hip hop producer pathenon. but he has made a difference. from what i know (scott)he is the "traditional" sense of producing. getting performances right, neccessary arrangements, et al. but he has "workers" doing beats now, so i can say that he really hasn't produced since 1991.
bomb squad. gods they are. but when gorilla sampling got outlawed. who didn't adjust?
j-swift. he was a strong contender but he only offers apiece of work once every 2 years.
prince paul. great conceptualizer. but...cmon now..
look my point is this.
jay to me has demonstrated that he can match/surpass all of the high points of each producer listed above.
primo's hardness. scratching. grit. pete's keen sense of obscure samples to freak. dre's clean crisp sound. before you argue. dre uses keys and lush shit, with clean radio drums. so does jay.
i can go on. i'm sure this post is gonna go triple platinum now.
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24. "NIGGA SAID THIS SHIT IN 2000!!!!!" In response to Reply # 23
And I doubt he'd back down from it now. But when you think about it that was a bold call on his part. Was he right *shrug* I'd say it's a matter of opinion to be polite (meaning my M.O. would be to lay out the scientific means of arguing it but I'm not going to do aladat right now).
I will however state my opinion on it. In 2000 Jay Dee was not the best ever. His catalog was so niche. I mean Labcabin was his biggest (besides Janet) and neither had made him a household name behind the boards. I'm not arguing popularity here, I'm arguing certified hits. He had two at that time.
I'm thinking 15 may have been on that techinical kick though, being amazed at how he was flipping the samples and shit. But then to say Pete would be helpless without records? Kinda strange. Jay Dee wouldn't ahve become infamous as Dilla if it weren't for samples. And while I know he's done other things arent the sample flips what he's noted for? Dilla never had drums like Dre. And while dilla's signature may have spread much farther as an infleunce than Primo's signature. it's still sooooo niche.
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25. "thats why I said I didn't agree" In response to Reply # 24
because for one thing, PR plays bass and keys so that argument pretty much goes out the window plus he's done beats that didnt' have samples that were dope as fuck then he said that half of Soul Survivor was wack and that most of the beats were from 94 THEN says that what made Fantastic Vol I so dope was that the beats were from 96 he took exception when dude said that Thought's beat on SS was better than the Roots shit he rapped on so far (which I dont' agree with but the beat was DOPE to me) and ?uest said it was subpar I'm sorry but not only would that shit would've sounded right at home on either Illadelph or TFA, but been a highlight there's a clear case of contemporary bias there and while I'm not mad at him for repping Dilla its nowhere near as cut and dry as he says it is
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29. "I think Quest was trying his hardest to objectify his argument" In response to Reply # 24
You see, he knew that we were all aware about how close they were and how they were really good friends and all. Seeing him say that Jay Dee was the GOAT could have easily passed as completely biased and just rooting for his own team. For that reason, I think he used the "record handicap" argument against Pete in order to claim that Jay Dee was just MORE capable. How do you REALLY judge whose beats were better when they both sampled? Totally a matter of opinion. So in order to make a solid, fact-based claim, he had to use the sampling-crutch argument to say that Pete couldn't do everything that Dilla could. It's same reason why Jordan is considered the greatest: he had no weaknesses.
32. "making up weaknesses for someone else to W an argument=LAME" In response to Reply # 29
Dilla did have weaknesses as a producer tho regardless of what people may think you don't get better if you don't have weaknesses
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Though you have to admit that making an objective argument for the better musician/producer is hard because it lacks the ability to cite data or non-opinionated facts. The only two things you can be truly "right" about is who sold more records and who influenced more musicians, neither of which the lesson truly values.
34. "I agree, thats why I have a policy that " In response to Reply # 33
once you become a member of the pantheon, ranking is pretty much about personal preference and that's why I don't do it
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8. "yeah i didnt want to sound harsh" In response to Reply # 0
(Like pete rock gives a fuck what I think anyway) but would it really be so hard to make some beats without using samples? I get that's his bread and butter but uh...
9. "It read harsher than it should, but ?uest is right tho.." In response to Reply # 0 Sun Jul-04-10 09:26 PM by Alphabet
All these sample driven producers can't really function in today's industry with sample laws being how they are now..
It's alot of industry opportunities out here that will EMPHATICALLY tell you, NO SAMPLES (i.e, we ain't about to spend our whole project budget because you decided to chop up the fuckin Sylvers and shit).
Didn't Ghostface touch on/complain about that on one of his albums?..something to the effect of "I can't keep making the type of music ya'll want from me, cuz ya'll not buying enough of the music, I gotta PAY for these samples ya'll like me to rock over!"
It was during the time Ghost came out with Big Doe Rehab...he went in the red trying to make that shit, then said fuck it and the next joint was a R&B album..lol
Production wise a album like "It Takes a Nation.." would be IMPOSSIBLE to make now. It would be so expensive, it could go 2X plat and still not recoup!
>All these sample driven producers can't really function in >today's industry with sample laws being how they are now.. > >It's alot of industry opportunities out here that will >EMPHATICALLY tell you, NO SAMPLES (i.e, we ain't about to >spend our whole project budget because you decided to chop up >the fuckin Sylvers and shit). > >Didn't Ghostface touch on/complain about that on one of his >albums?..something to the effect of "I can't keep making the >type of music ya'll want from me, cuz ya'll not buying enough >of the music, I gotta PAY for these samples ya'll like me to >rock over!" > >It was during the time Ghost came out with Big Doe Rehab...he >went in the red trying to make that shit, then said fuck it >and the next joint was a R&B album..lol > >Production wise a album like "It Takes a Nation.." would be >IMPOSSIBLE to make now. It would be so expensive, it could go >2X plat and still not recoup! > >
67. "RE: It read harsher than it should, but ?uest is right tho.." In response to Reply # 9
>It was during the time Ghost came out with Big Doe Rehab...he >went in the red trying to make that shit, then said fuck it >and the next joint was a R&B album..lol
and coincidentally, ghostdini is one of his best produced albums..
27. "yeah thats a totally ridiculous argument to me" In response to Reply # 22
it all should come down to the end results
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30. "to be fair..Quest AND Pete last GREAT stuff was late90s..." In response to Reply # 0
...sure theres GOOD stuff after that ...but Soul Survivor and TFA are FAR better than what either of them have done since ...and thats not just because of sample laws ...that because of experimentation and trying to keep up with the joneses (just my opinion)
39. "I don't disagree, but its not by leaps and bounds" In response to Reply # 38
I think I prefer Illadelph Halflife and TFA as well, but on some days, I could probably be convinced Game Theory or Rising Down are better as well.
Pete Rock has the misfortune of not making "relevant" music anymore, which when grading producers always counts, nor is he working with artists of the same calibre anymore. I think, technically speaking, his beats are as good as ever, but it's a lot easier to wow people remixing Public Enemy or doing an album full of top notch MCs than it is working with most of the cats he does these days.
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44. "good point on pete rock.." In response to Reply # 39
>I think I prefer Illadelph Halflife and TFA as well, but on >some days, I could probably be convinced Game Theory or Rising >Down are better as well. > >Pete Rock has the misfortune of not making "relevant" music >anymore, which when grading producers always counts, nor is he >working with artists of the same calibre anymore. I think, >technically speaking, his beats are as good as ever, but it's >a lot easier to wow people remixing Public Enemy or doing an >album full of top notch MCs than it is working with most of >the cats he does these days.
true.. and its weird to me given how great "Soul Survivor" was, that he didnt get a lot of work from big name MCs during the years that followed..
41. "Let me ask this right quick" In response to Reply # 0
Has Madlib surpassed all of them?...
I mean, right now, his creative rendering is a thing of madness, from mix tapes, to jazz projects , to beat projects, etc, dude is taking the shit where it has never been taken.
Also, how in the hell is Madlib clearing samples? .... Its not like madlib is known for camouflaging his samples by chopping them until they are not recognizable. Full songs are being looped and laced with new beats.
How has madlib been able to circumvent this so called depressed era for sampling?
43. "because if its not worth it to pay lawyers they leave you alone" In response to Reply # 41
Libby doesn't sell enuff records for it to worth the time
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45. "Labels/Lawyers Only Mess With Artists Who Might Or Do Sell Over 300,000 ..." In response to Reply # 41
Basically if they don't think that an artist/group will sell over 300,000 copies of their album within 1 to 3 years time then they basically not going to even go thru the time of suing an artist for a sample cause it wouldn't even pay their salery/fees doing so; unless...UNLESS, the artist or owner of the music that was sampled actually wants to still go thru with legal action (even though now that artist will be paying for the lawyers to do so instead of them getting paid on the back end) or will go thru leaps & bounds to stop an artist from putting out the sampled material (like if Madlib sampled Prince on a album, Prince would personally contact Stones Throw to get the cd pulled from stores).
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63. "RE: Labels/Lawyers Only Mess With Artists Who Might Or Do Sell Over 300,..." In response to Reply # 45
You just made that number up btw.. lol... the real number is more like 20-30k... 10k units sold means you are no longer an "obscure" artist... they WILL come after you... we've been sued for a record that was never even sold!! shieeiiit... you get sued for drum breaks these days... obscure ones at that
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64. "RE: Labels/Lawyers Only Mess With Artists Who Might Or Do Sell Over 300,..." In response to Reply # 63
>You just made that number up btw.. lol... the real number is >more like 20-30k... 10k units sold means you are no longer an >"obscure" artist... they WILL come after you...
i remember 10k used to be the magic number for "worth litigating" a few years ago, at least in electronic music.
>we've been >sued for a record that was never even sold!! shieeiiit...
are you talking about your "ice box" remix or what?
>you >get sued for drum breaks these days... obscure ones at that
due to the information age, out of work musicians needing money, or both?
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66. "I Was Reffering To Indi & Self-Published Artists Not Major Labels" In response to Reply # 63 Thu Jul-08-10 08:39 AM by Dj Joey Joe
>You just made that number up btw.. lol... >the real number is more like 20-30k... >10k units sold means you are no longer an >"obscure" artist... they WILL come after you... >we've been sued for a record that was never even sold!! >shieeiiit... you get sued for drum breaks these days... >obscure ones at that
That number is for non-major labels, as far as I've been told most major labels try to clear up all samples beforehand no matter how low on the totem pole they are on the label's roster cause lawyers know major labels got money and can be sued for far more than what the artist will ever make.
And yes I've heard plenty of artists getting sued over songs that never got released or got bootlegged but never came out, but once again those were major label artists not indi.
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50. "beatmakers don't make a classic EP, 2 classic group albums" In response to Reply # 46
and a solo record that is an outright masterpiece
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seriously? how long you been here yo? aint you (yall?) learned NOTHING yet?
handicap meaning a means to sample.
shit still costs money!
i mean all this free record on internet ish is cool but it is by no means a way of making a living.
petes survival is mostly based on dj gigs. (and i know the going rate and it aint pretty) and making beats for cats w/o budgets.
kanye taking 2 pete beats (fingers crossed) is a AWESOME lookout.
but shit costs MONEY yo there is no escaping that.
yall cats are the same cats that say "well just make a beat find some musicians and everything is cool"
challenge number one is finding a musician that speaks the language.
and MOST of those musicians charge loot.
aint no getting around it. get what you pay for.
want a cat to sound like pete jolly or ahmad jamal? that means you on the minimum charging $1000.
that'll be alot of dj gigs for one banging song that most likely yall will just download/not pay for.
diminished returns.
aint noone said anything of him being handicapped like "not able to make good beats"
and fuck you 1200 i make classic shit on the daily.
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49. "Ok" In response to Reply # 48 Tue Jul-06-10 01:08 PM by Wordup
>seriously? >how long you been here yo? >aint you (yall?) learned NOTHING yet? > >handicap meaning a means to sample. > >shit still costs money! > >i mean all this free record on internet ish is cool but it is >by no means a way of making a living. > >petes survival is mostly based on dj gigs. (and i know the >going rate and it aint pretty) and making beats for cats w/o >budgets. > >kanye taking 2 pete beats (fingers crossed) is a AWESOME >lookout. > >but shit costs MONEY yo there is no escaping that. > >yall cats are the same cats that say "well just make a beat >find some musicians and everything is cool" > >challenge number one is finding a musician that speaks the >language. > >and MOST of those musicians charge loot. > >aint no getting around it. get what you pay for. > >want a cat to sound like pete jolly or ahmad jamal? that means >you on the minimum charging $1000. > >that'll be alot of dj gigs for one banging song that most >likely yall will just download/not pay for. > >diminished returns. > >aint noone said anything of him being handicapped like "not >able to make good beats" > >and fuck you 1200 i make classic shit on the daily.
I thought getting some musicians to play stuff was cheap. Black Milk is doing that, doesnt make sense to me. Theres a lot of producers out there who make fire beats and they not on some Kanye budget. So I kinda feel like that was an excuse. I mean maybe we not gonna get another TROY or The World Is Yours, but I feel like if Pete Rock is really a top producer he should still be able to make beats better than that subpar stuff he's been slinging (regardless of sampling laws).
>I thought getting some musicians to play stuff was cheap. >Black Milk is doing that, doesnt make sense to me. Theres a >lot of producers out there who make fire beats and they not on >some Kanye budget. So I kinda feel like that was an excuse. I >mean maybe we not gonna get another TROY or The World Is >Yours, but I feel like if Pete Rock is really a top producer >he should still be able to make beats better than that subpar >stuff he's been slinging (regardless of sampling laws). >
Co-sign.
Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.
54. "".........i listen to classical"" In response to Reply # 52
beatin a dead horse yo. i just keep the lights on round here.*
*for a sec.
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definitely... ten years dead. but good point of reflection on how much has changed.. or not (pun intended)
>i just keep the lights on round here.*
all well and good. but seriously... you should make a statement about the crippling cost of sampling. especially as someone who 'doesn't' sample (sic).
>*for a sec.
don't worry... the internet is almost dead anyway.
pretend i'm an idiot. sampling is a handicap or the cost of sampling is?
>shit still costs money!
that's what i gather you mean with that. but if it is the money that's the handicap, that's really not a statement about pete rocks ability to make tracks, just the ability to put them out there. yeah that goes hand in hand for some, but i mean how much of dilla's noteriety comes from unreleased shit?
>i mean all this free record on internet ish is cool but it is >by no means a way of making a living.
now that is fa real fa true... but neither is music right... these days. if you want to be a musician it's all about your side hustle.
>petes survival is mostly based on dj gigs. (and i know the >going rate and it aint pretty) and making beats for cats w/o >budgets.
case and point.
>kanye taking 2 pete beats (fingers crossed) is a AWESOME >lookout. > >but shit costs MONEY yo there is no escaping that.
Do you think it's fair. Ever think of making official statements about that?
>yall cats are the same cats that say "well just make a beat >find some musicians and everything is cool"
I'm actually anti that, but that's another discussion.
>challenge number one is finding a musician that speaks the >language.
Nah thanks to you and yours there are a grip of them. Go ask MC Joe Blow who just pulled together his live band to do that new shit!!
>and MOST of those musicians charge loot.
Ehhh... Most expect returns. Some up front, some on the backend. But it's all work-for-hire talk and honestly I think that's a poblem when making hip-hop. It's parallel to phond in verses. Yeah everyone does it, but the music doesn't sound the same either.
>aint no getting around it. get what you pay for.
I'd say you get what you negotiate.
>want a cat to sound like pete jolly or ahmad jamal? that means >you on the minimum charging $1000.
why would someone want that though. this is what I don't understand. Why would you want to hire someone to sound like ahmad jamal on your hip-hop track? Just don't make sense to me. Same with replaying the sample. The process of making hip-hop music isn't that. Make hip-hop nah meen (not talking about you as I feel the Roots have a very unique and very hip-hop apporach to it all but few if any have found the balance like yall).
>that'll be alot of dj gigs for one banging song that most >likely yall will just download/not pay for.
holup holup holup... can i infer from that that Pete ain't making $1k for DJ gigs? at least $500 right?
>aint noone said anything of him being handicapped like "not >able to make good beats"
not to get technical, but yeah that would be what it would mean. he can't make good beats because of his sampling handicap. but i understood what you meant.
>and fuck you 1200 i make classic shit on the daily.
57. "YIKES, LOL.. but if Pete ain't sampling a band w/the SP..." In response to Reply # 48
...it still wont sound "like pete rock" ...like it or not, he has a signature sound that people worldwide have fallen in love with ...you can still put on a new Roots song and tell its the Roots ..call it a FEEL or whatever ...Pete's still has bangers, but you used to be able to tell "hey thats pete rock!!" without even seeing the label ..i'm just hoping Pete brings back the SP even if only as a part of his "band" , because i think he's got a lot left in the tank
59. "what venue was this? sounds like a dope evening" In response to Reply # 58
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