I finally got around to spinning this Roots record a couple times…and what is really good with this dude?
Does he have a poster of Nate Dogg behind his closet door that he stamps a kiss on after getting dressed to head to the studio?
He turned the first half of this album into drunk karaoke night with Dice and friends.
it started on Game Theory, and it was cool because it was something new and wasn't over-used.
Then on Rising Down it started to become a problem.
and now this shit?
and this dude isn't even an official member of the group!
I'm just really curious as to why Thought's role has been getting more and more thin?
With the Fallon Show gig, you'd think he'd be out in the front more especially if they're going to have some singing involved on the hooks since he sings on the show all the time.
I just don't get it man…all these damn guest spots and then here comes Dice to take over EVERY hook for 5 straight songs off the jump.
as soon as the hook to How I Got Over came in, I just had to shake my head and laugh because the whole thing seemed like a damn joke to me.
6. "He's not that bad" In response to Reply # 0 Sat Jun-26-10 03:43 PM by simpsycho
I wouldn't nominate the guy for vocalist of the year or anything but it's not like they've got Eminem singing on the hooks or something. I like him on the hooks actually.
Then again, I don't listen to any music that involves much singing so maybe my standards are lower.
7. "Thought would've KILLED the Now or Never hook. Cap Kirk too." In response to Reply # 0
Dice was pretty horrid on it. Walk Alone and Radio Daze were ok. he's more tolerable when he switches his voice up. Thought destroys How I Got Over enough that Dice doesn't ruin it.
Thought's already proven he's capable of singing, and they got a good singer in Cap Kirk that i'm just as confused as you.
37. "i'm one of the biggest Roots stans on this board, so miss me with that." In response to Reply # 24
Dice sounds terrible on Now or Never. it's cringeworthy. the rest of the songs are easier on the ears. i actually like him on Radio Daze and Walk Alone, and didn't realize it was him until Now or Never came on. i think Thought or Kirk would've done much better on that track.
44. "Let's not forget about Tay" In response to Reply # 7
He was on the track as well. He could've done his Dwele shit, harmonized and make that hook sound crisp. That's if they wanted to make it better. Personally, Dice on the hook doesn't bother me.
Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Sat Jun-26-10 05:35 PM
10. "That's That Theory I Was Talking About A While Back..." In response to Reply # 0
...about "H.I.G.O." album, The Roots is trying to appeal to a new audience they have and what people are digging right now which is rappers who can half-ass sing and (H.I.)G.etting O.ver (ex: Cee-Lo, Lil Wayne, Drake, B.O.B. are you starting to see the trend?)
I'm not saying the album is bad but it's not my vibe, I downloaded it, I listened to it, I'm still going to purchase it on vinyl but not anytime soon (since it wasn't as good as I thought it would be).
I'm just hoping that when The Money Making Jam Boys finish up their album then we can have something to be proud of in BT & them.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
Ashley Ayers Member since Dec 12th 2009 12331 posts
Sat Jun-26-10 06:13 PM
11. "Whoa... I gotta call foul" In response to Reply # 10 Sat Jun-26-10 06:15 PM by Ashley Ayers
>(ex: Cee-Lo, Lil Wayne, Drake, B.O.B. are you starting >to see the trend?) >
Cee-lo is actually an accomplished singer my man. The rest of them really are "half ass singers" like you say. Kinda disrespectful to lump him in with those cats.
Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Mon Jun-28-10 03:30 AM
29. "Oh Yeah Add Kid Cudi, Ja Rule, Aloe Blacc, & Diddy To That List As Well" In response to Reply # 10
>which is rappers who can half-ass sing and >(H.I.)G.etting O.ver (ex: Cee-Lo, Lil Wayne, Drake, B.O.B. >are you starting to see the trend?)
It's lots more but I can't think of them right now since I try to stay away from music like that, they should leave the singing to Nate Dogg, Dwele, & K.Rells for hooks.
--------- "We in here talking about later career Prince records & your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak
Ashley Ayers Member since Dec 12th 2009 12331 posts
Tue Jun-29-10 03:57 AM
40. "What's with this shock posting bullshit, fam?" In response to Reply # 29 Tue Jun-29-10 03:59 AM by Ashley Ayers
You sound like you're mad that you can't sing, lol.
If a guy can outsing 90 percent of the R&B world, why would he get another guy to sing his hooks? i.e. Cee-lo and Aloe Blacc Just because EVERYBODY wants to sing and rap now doesn't mean that those who are actually good at it should stop.
Just because a guy is talented enough to sing AND rap doesn't mean he's half-assing one of them. That's like saying Michael Jackson was a half ass dancer because he could also sing or saying Prince is a half ass guitar player because he also plays piano. GTFOHWTBS.
41. "RE: That's That Theory I Was Talking About A While Back..." In response to Reply # 10
i think you have it backwards...rappers are just trying to do it themselves and feeling more comfortable singing than they have in the past. people have always been into sung hooks though...its not new.
if method man had tried singing in like 95 people would've called him a sellout or soft...thats not the case anymore so more people feel alright doing it themselves. its what 50 dissed ja rule for doing even though he went on to do it himself moments later.
19. "I like his singing on most of the songs" In response to Reply # 0
he is clearly a non-singer but it comes across almost rockish 'cause that's how alot of rockers sound to me. like they're just ordinary people trying to sing their hearts out in the shower. and i kinda like that sound when it's done well.
42. "it's like it's so bad it's good...but it's not good." In response to Reply # 0
nigga sound like TJ Markie. ol' Biz Swan ass nigga.
shit's catchy after a while, but he's by no means a good singer. Now or Never was mad painful/offputting upon the initial listen. that nigga came in sharp and flat at the same time. it's remarkable, really.
i'm astounded that Kirk doesn't get the nod for hooks.
45. "Wow, I couldn't disagree with you more..." In response to Reply # 0
Dice Raw's contribution to HIGO are pretty much all great, and perfectly fit the theme of this record. I feel like I never really appreciated dude at all, and actually found him pretty corny up until GT. But with HIGO, its like the Roots finally found the absolute perfect use for him, and he kills it!
Black Thought is a great MC, one of the greatest...but I am happy that the album isn't all him. I'm not one for excessive guest appearances in general, but the Roots really seem to always nail it when they have them. All of the guests add to the tracks they are on. I'm glad BT is humble enough to recognize that he doesn't have to be the center of attention on every track...I think its why he's so consistent. He recognizes his strengths and flaws better then most MC's, and that's why he's got a great career going 15 years later.
HIGO is just a great, great record to me...I would argue that it is one of the Roots best in terms of making a complete record. Its very cohesive, and Dice fit perfectly.
STS was probably the weakest MC on this project, so yeah, you caught me there. But I feel like "Right On" is still a monster track! First time I heard it I kept in repeat a good 7-8 times. His verse wasn't spectacular, but didn't bother me. His flow suited the track.
but for some reason i really like them on HIGO. i dont know why, its bad singing and lyrically not all that clever or anything but i just really like them, especialy now or never. the only one i dont like a lot is radio daze, but i dont not like it.
64. "Black Thought seems more like a featured artist nowadays" In response to Reply # 0
i think that is the problem moreso than Dice's Nate Dogg hooks.
i mean, you got one of the best/rawest MC's left in the game and the last 2 albums are more singing hooks, smoothed out on an r&b tip type grooves, and cameo appearences by other MC's
i just want to hear a Roots album where it just some raw hip-hop, rapped-out hooks, and Black Thought on all of the songs, save for about 2-3.
yeah, i know, go listen to IlladelphHalflife, but...sh*t
hearing joints like Boom!, 75 Bar's, etc. over the years just got you wanting more (no pun, homo) from Black Thought.
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