has ANY rapper ever complained so much about no being considered the best by EVERYONE? that BP3 freestyle got me to thinking about dude always whining about people recognizing him as the GOAT. any nigga that obsessed with being the best is gonna do whatever he has to do lockdown every corner of the cultural landscape...play with phish...record wit linkin park...shout out madonna...get paltrow to sing backup...it's like since winter 01 went down, his M.O. been: "i lost the streets, but i'mma get the people who write history to side with me"...and he STILL coming up behind ra, pac, big, em, nas, G rap and a few others on *MOST* GOAT lists...so he STILL crying.

some examples of his bloodclot cryin:

I see I said, jealousy I said
Got the whole industry mad at me I said
Then B.I. said, “Hov’ remind yourself
nobody built like you, you’ve designed yourself”
I agree I said, my one of a kind self
Get stoned every day like Jesus did

Fiya Analysis: Yes, Jay used a dead Biggie as a device to engender sympathy from niggas who laughed when Nas ethered the fuck outta him. Tacky? Yup. Consistent with Jay’s post-Ether lyricism? Indeed. Oh, but the dude’s bloodclot cryin’ had just begun.

Oh! This must be the way the nigga ‘Pac felt when he made
“Me Against the World,” “All Eyez on Me”
Y’all niggaz got me feelin like all eyes on me, me against the world
Mmm, y’all got me on my shit
Thought niggaz would appreciate what I did to this game
Bein that, I’m flesh of your flesh, blood of your blood
Come from the same hood you come from
We share basically the same stories
Thought niggaz would appreciate what I came and did
since ninety-six, every year
Somethin must be seriously wrong with the world
I know y’all ain’t hatin

Fiya Analysis: Holy Lord! LMAO! I bet Pac asked God for a one-day pass to come down and steal that nigga when he heard that bullshit. Oh, I know..he paying “homage.” *SMH*

Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes
Won’t break you a crumb of the little bit that he makes
And this is with whom you want to place your faith?
I put dollars on mine, ask Columbine
When the Twin Towers dropped, I was the first in line
Donating proceeds off every ticket sold
When I was out on the road, that’s how you judge Hov, no?

I’ve been real all my life, they confuse it with conceit
Since I will not lose, they try to help him cheat
But I will not lose, for even in defeat
There’s a valuable lesson learned, so it evens it up for me

I’m Big Dog, Glenn Rob, listen God you a flea
And the little homey Jungle is a garden to me
What’s the problem B? You not as hard as me
Nigga hard as we, nigga R O C, nigga
That’s why they follow me, they feel my pain and my agony, nigga
I won’t rest till you on one knee
You want war then it’s war’s gonna be, nigga
Until you on one knee, you want war then it’s war’s gonna be, nigga

Fiya analysis: Seriously? Where do we start? I guess the glaring douchbaggery of using the tragedy of 9/11 to explain why he’s a better person (and therefore a better MC?) than Nas. I remember when I first heard that shit. I was shocked. I mean, dude had de-fucking-railed. Nas fucked his head up something terrible. He talks about flutes on the track. He’s rapping like Austin Powers. All over the place. And then he takes it back to Kindergarten and accuses people of cheating? CHEATING?!?!?! And He never ended Nas, who went on to have a creative resurgence after clapping up Jay's label. And to end it...he Glenn Rob? *SMH*

You ain’t crazy, don’t you play me, don’t you know it’s Jay-Z?
When internets ask who’s the best, why won’t you say me?
Don’t you hate me? C’mon baby, was it all gravy?
I took my lumps comin’ up just like a boxer baby

Fiya Analysis: Shut your Million Dollar Baby ass up, Shawn. The Blueprint just called and it wants Song Cry back.

I’m not a biter
I’m a writer
For myself and others
I say a B.I.G. verse I’m only biggin up my brother
Biggin up my borough
I’m big enough to do it
I’m that thorough

Fiya Analysis: Pleas, baby, pleas, baby, baby, pleas. Feeling the sting of being called out for “borrowing” too many of Big’s rhymes, (not so) Young Hov defends himself by admitting…that he borrows too many of Biggie’s rhymes. However, it’s wrong for people to make such a big deal about it. And, in desperation to prove his orgininality, he throws Bleek under the bus by admitting he writes for him. *SMH*

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>has ANY poster ever complained so much about jay being
>considered the best by EVERYONE?

Pound for pound i'm the best to ever come around here
Excluding nobody
Look what i embody
The soul of a hustler i really ran the street
A CEO's mind
That marketing plan was me
And no i ain't get shot up a whole bunch of times
Or make up shit in a whole bunch of lines
And i ain't animated, like say a, Busta Rhymes
But the real shit you get when you bust down my lines
Add that to the fact i went plat a bunch of times
Times that by my influence
On pop culutre
I supposed to be number one on everybodys list
We'll see what happens when i no longer exist
Fuck this

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

stop your bloodclaat cryin'

lol nah even though I don't agree with everything you said here, I get the direction you're going in. And as someone whose favorite rapper is Jay-Z, I can even admit that he talks about being the best ever and complains about ppl who don't say that he is.

Although personally, I've always thought that the reasons that naysayers have for Jay-Z *not* being the best have always been hogwash. They'll say he uses too many other peoples' lines, but how relevant is that when you have ten-plus albums and you've got classic projects and songs, not just classic lines? Or they'll say he's "too commercial," but when you're arguably the best commercial rapper of all time, why the fuck does that matter? People say he made too many panders for radio, but dude made hit songs that were actually good...not to mention that aside from 1-2 projects, his albums still had authentic, meat and potatoes hip-hop.

So yeah, I definitely understand where this post is coming from. But it's always seemed like most peoples' critique of him is based on ideals and principles more than his actual music.

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it is simply wack to constantly complain about people not calling you the best rapper. like, do you understand how wack that shit is? no one has EVER done that, making it a part of their persona and shit. he's known for complaining. that's a severe dent in his GOAT status.

and you can't complain about people not judging him on his music, when at least 80% of his GOAT candidacy is based on a combo of his girl, his money, sales and famous friends. so y'all and him made it about shit other than music. can't be mad at us.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

from mufuckers naysayin' him
it forced him to go the route he went
and he was successful
and people still tryin' to nay say him?
it's just hate at this point

Bas actually makes a great point. I don't know any of the greatest MCs getting on wax to complain about why they aren't considered the greatest.

They just claim they are with massive swagger. That's the definition of dope MC in my opinion. You brag and boast about your greatness. The God MC. You don't even care what others say. Sometimes dude comes of Napoleonic but I don't see he would ever have to complain. Motherfucker has a great life and with that I'm expending no more energy on this topic.
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>and you can't complain about people not judging him on his
>music, when at least 80% of his GOAT candidacy is based on a
>combo of his girl, his money, sales and famous friends. so
>y'all and him made it about shit other than music. can't be
>mad at us.

Everybody I know who considers Jay an elite MC (myself included), who thought so well before this '01 threshold you are using, do so because we grew up driving around in cars banging Jay-Z albums start to finish and reciting every word..

Where you're wrong is that its not him and his fans who make it about shit other than the music. I mean I just saw him last night rip on stage for 2 hours doing mostly album cuts that go hard with a full band, with 10,000 people knowing all the words to "U Don't Know" and "Public Service Announcement" and "Allure" and "Can I Live" and etc. In other words, he's still making music at this point in his career strictly FOR the music. The money he makes off music now is a drop in the bucket. What I saw last night was a guy who is in love with his craft, and performs it at a higher level than the vast majority of his peers.

Its you and the people who don't like him who use the shit other than the music, since it certainly exists, to try to say that its the only reason for his success.

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says otherwise.

I've seen him in CT, MA, and RI and its been the same way every time.

and trust his crowds aren't on that celebrity starstruck shit either. none of the young chick/frat boy crowds i've seen at Kanye West concerts, or the "intellectual mostly white college kid" crowds i've seen at roots shows.

all i'm trying to say is, jay is a household name to 40-50 yr old white people in middle america, or linkin park fans, for the extra shit you're talking about. Same reason he gets mad visibility in non hip-hop press. but it seems to be hard for you to understand that the vast majority actual hip-hop fans who like him feel that way solely because of the music.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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about not being #1 on everybody's list. i don't fall for thread derailments, so you can get the fuck up out if you gonna talk about about 50 year-old white folks, WHO DON'T KNOW NAN SONG, knowing who he is. why the hell do i care about that?

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

with why people say he's the greatest.

People say he's the greatest rapper because he's fucking Beyonce and has famous friends?

Fuck outta here.

Like dude said, people rap along to his ALBUM cuts, not just the singles. That shows that people listen to his music and not just skim through it.

People acknowledged that he complains, so why are you still stuck on that point?

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>with why people say he's the greatest.
>
>People say he's the greatest rapper because he's fucking
>Beyonce and has famous friends?
>
>Fuck outta here.
>
>Like dude said, people rap along to his ALBUM cuts, not just
>the singles. That shows that people listen to his music and
>not just skim through it.
>
>People acknowledged that he complains, so why are you still
>stuck on that point?

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>So yeah, I definitely understand where this post is coming
>from. But it's always seemed like most peoples' critique of
>him is based on ideals and principles more than his actual
>music.

His whole steez based more on star status/hype than the music.

Good songwriter and clever MC. Thats it, his music does not standout
in terms of creativity, originality and concepts. Compared to his peers, he wasn't much technically proficient either.

I could care less how many classics, his music was never interesting to me on a Pharoahe Monch, Q-Tip, Mos Def, Andre 3000 etc. level.

not excellent standing out or innovative.

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"Good songwriter and clever MC, that's it."

How is that a "that's it," when those are two of the most important things in being an emcee?

And I feel you creativity and originality, but he's had great concepts throughout his career...22 Twos/44 Fours, Rap Game/Crack Game, Dope Man, "I Know," even "Girl's Best Friend". He doesn't stack his albums with them, but he's def shown the ability and creativity to come up with concepts and pull them off.

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becoming the standard is harder than it seems... jay-z's MAIN strength is longevity and consistency.. because of that, he's done what no other rapper has accomplished.. could he have taken more risks musically? yea def... could he have focused more on showing his skill (verse for verse, i mean)? of course... but would that have landed him the same amount of commercial success or solidify himself as a household name? no, not at all.. but he's put out a lot of albums, some are widely considered as "classics".. and the classics went plat.. he's respected amongst his peers.. his songs still get love in the clubs..

i dunno, if you think about rappers that stay at a high level for a long time, the list isn't long.. and as far as ppl who have done it as well as him, well, those people don't exist.. in this day and age, it's REALLY hard to have an almost universal appeal... he's as close as it comes in hip hop and probably popular music right now.. that in and of itself is a feat that should at least land him in some top 5 lists.. (i know we judge MCs by different criteria, but i think the reason this doesn't usually factor in is because there aren't many MCs to reach THAT level)

he's the hank aaron of hip hop... he never hit 50 home runs in a season, but over the course of a career, he became the greatest home run hitter ever... one can't consider jay-z w/o looking at his career as a whole... and if you try to, then i think that's probably short-changing him

whining, apparently he likes to talk about himself a lot or he just running on empty, has nothing to rap about.

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