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AndrewVS
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"How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?"


          

Or similar sounding music? All those crazy sub-genre titles: IDM, Breakcore, Minimalism, Avant-Garde Electronic, Noise, Glitch and whatnot.

If not that, then perhaps just Electronic?

Basically I'd love to get a discussion going on this, because on forums where people _do_ love this music, said people are ridiculously up their own ass.

What are your thoughts on combining Hip Hop with elements of Experimental Electronic? Andre 3000 once said he wanted to work with Squarepusher in an interview, to which Squarepusher was more or less elitist as all hell in a private interview response (in summary: he didn't really know anything about hip hop and just assumed andre 3000/outkast was mainstream generic shit made 100% for money).

Favorite artists of the (sub)"genre"(s)? Personally, in order: Autechre, Aphex Twin, Boards Of Canada, Squarepusher, Amon Tobin.

Your thoughts on the various IDM albums that dropped this year (Quaristice, Just A Souvenir, Amon Tobin's various singles).

?

  

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I could never get into Boards Of Canada
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: I could never get into Boards Of Canada
Dec 17th 2008
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seriously. its way too ambient for me.
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?
Dec 17th 2008
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My favorite genre is 'acoustic'.
Dec 17th 2008
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I like the music, but tend to ignore the sub-genre tags
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: I like the music, but tend to ignore the sub-genre tags
Dec 17th 2008
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      I have all of those n/m
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?
Dec 17th 2008
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      fixed
Dec 17th 2008
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           well, there's that, too
Dec 17th 2008
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I didn't see the Squarepusher interview....
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: I didn't see the Squarepusher interview....
Dec 17th 2008
9
i just watched that clip
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?
Dec 17th 2008
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      hmm
Dec 17th 2008
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experimental electronic music? it sucks. its just nerds with laptops. n...
Dec 17th 2008
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can you expound in a more insightful way?
Dec 17th 2008
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      I'm guessing (hoping) it was sarcasm.
Dec 17th 2008
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      maybe if you flipped it on 45 so I can dance to it n/m
Dec 17th 2008
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           RE: maybe if you flipped it on 45 so I can dance to it n/m
Dec 17th 2008
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                not wanting to give you the wrong impression early... that was sarcasm
Dec 17th 2008
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I like that stuff, although...
Dec 17th 2008
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that sounds like a cool album.
Dec 17th 2008
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      I have not heard those, but they seem interesting.
Dec 17th 2008
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      RE: I have not heard those, but they seem interesting.
Dec 17th 2008
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           Trying to remember, I think...
Dec 17th 2008
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                RE: Trying to remember, I think...
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                     I see
Dec 17th 2008
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      RE: that sounds like a cool album.
Dec 17th 2008
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      RE: that sounds like a cool album.
Dec 17th 2008
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does Zero 7 count? cause they are DOPE AS SHIT.
Dec 17th 2008
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No, they don't.
Dec 17th 2008
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      haha
Dec 17th 2008
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Bleep Top 10 of '08
Dec 17th 2008
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umm lone? that dudes soundscapes are similar to boards of canada...
Dec 18th 2008
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RE: umm lone? that dudes soundscapes are similar to boards of canada...
Dec 18th 2008
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      Ratatat = totally overrated
Dec 18th 2008
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           RE: Ratatat = totally overrated
Dec 18th 2008
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           i wasn't that much of a fan until lp3 dropped, so i won't argue this
Dec 18th 2008
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Hooray for #2!!! :)
Dec 18th 2008
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Bleep's More of the Best
Dec 20th 2008
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Beatport Best of '08 (edited)
Dec 17th 2008
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this list makes me realize how behind I am.
Dec 17th 2008
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      No shit.
Dec 17th 2008
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           I basically check in ever so often with:
Dec 17th 2008
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           Thanks for reminding me about Textura.
Dec 17th 2008
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           RE: No shit.
Dec 17th 2008
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                oh
Dec 18th 2008
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                     Yep.
Dec 18th 2008
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thats a shame about that interview
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: thats a shame about that interview
Dec 17th 2008
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Textura's Best of '08
Dec 17th 2008
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Resident Advisor's best of '08 (All right, I'm done now)
Dec 17th 2008
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Can anyone vouch on that Wighnomy Brothers mix on there?
Dec 17th 2008
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Yeah I'm Into EDM But Not Much Of The Experimental Stuff
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: Yeah I'm Into EDM But Not Much Of The Experimental Stuff
Dec 17th 2008
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you're lame!!!! lol
Dec 17th 2008
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four tet, the books, tycho, e*vax/ratatat, squarepusher, jan jelinek, pr...
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: four tet, the books, tycho, e*vax/ratatat, squarepusher, jan jelinek...
Dec 17th 2008
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      comparing him to others is disservice to him
Dec 18th 2008
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Any relation to AaronVS?
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: Any relation to AaronVS?
Dec 17th 2008
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      Listening to Last Step 1961 right now
Feb 16th 2009
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inpulse i hate you so
Dec 17th 2008
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Heh, heh. Yeah, sorry.
Dec 17th 2008
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i like EDM. that bleep/bloop 8 bit shit is a bit much though
Dec 17th 2008
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been into electronic shit since my first Orbital cassette in 1993
Dec 17th 2008
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RE: been into electronic shit since my first Orbital cassette in 1993
Dec 17th 2008
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Dec 18th 2008
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      shots fired
Dec 18th 2008
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*bookmarked*
Dec 18th 2008
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RE: *bookmarked*
Dec 18th 2008
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Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?
Dec 18th 2008
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RE: Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?
Dec 18th 2008
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RE: Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?
Dec 18th 2008
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      RE: Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?
Dec 18th 2008
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what da bloodclat
Dec 18th 2008
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i'm surprised Ekkehard Ehlers' name didn't appear in this discussion
Dec 18th 2008
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put us on
Dec 18th 2008
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      he's definitely forward thinking
Dec 18th 2008
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           RE: he's definitely forward thinking
Dec 18th 2008
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                yeah... i'm never one to slap genres on music for that very reason
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                     RE: yeah... i'm never one to slap genres on music for that very reason
Dec 18th 2008
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                     word, i'm not just a mellow head though. i enjoy intense paces as well.
Dec 18th 2008
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                          RE: word, i'm not just a mellow head though. i enjoy intense paces as we...
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                               extremely aggressive.
Dec 18th 2008
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                     loop-finding-jazz-records was cool as hell
Dec 18th 2008
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                     RE: yeah... i'm never one to slap genres on music for that very reason
Jan 28th 2009
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                          have you heard "happiness" by fridge?
Jan 28th 2009
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                               just 2 tracks from it
Jan 28th 2009
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any of you guys check boomkat? they usually are on point with...
Dec 18th 2008
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sometimes...
Dec 18th 2008
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UrBan Ge3k aka Mu$Sak?
Dec 18th 2008
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sounds like dozens of tracks i've heard before
Dec 22nd 2008
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I've been working out to random electronic mixes for the past 5 yrs.
Dec 18th 2008
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what's random about them?
Dec 18th 2008
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      LoL, after 5 yrs I shoulda been familiar tho.
Dec 18th 2008
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Autechre - Quaristice
Dec 18th 2008
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*bows down*
Dec 18th 2008
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Okay actually that is even less incomplete, I'll just post the full of i...
Dec 18th 2008
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I liked 'Quaristice' earlier in the year
Dec 20th 2008
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Clark's 'Turning Dragon' was the slept on Warp release this year
Dec 20th 2008
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RE: Clark's 'Turning Dragon' was the slept on Warp release this year
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      more than Autechre or Flying Lotus? ehhhh, I don't think so.
Dec 20th 2008
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Electronica is for gay people.
Dec 20th 2008
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could dubstep be called idm-lite?
Dec 20th 2008
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188
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      :)
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           RE: :)
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                RE: :)
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                     buried in another thread i hinted at the geneology of wonk
Dec 20th 2008
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                     lately i've been thinking...
Dec 22nd 2008
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                     RE: buried in another thread i hinted at the geneology of wonk
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                     RE: :)
Dec 21st 2008
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As far as great electronic albums from 2008...
Dec 21st 2008
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not feelin' it just yet
Dec 21st 2008
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      i like it
Dec 21st 2008
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           RE: i like it
Dec 22nd 2008
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                RE: i like it
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                     you really hit it on the head here:
Dec 22nd 2008
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                          you are so right about everything
Dec 22nd 2008
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                               that is so abrupt...
Dec 22nd 2008
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                                    no
Dec 22nd 2008
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                                         cool.
Dec 22nd 2008
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Anybody Into John Tejada Or Deetron?
Dec 22nd 2008
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John Tejada Iz Kool.
Dec 22nd 2008
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Not deeply familiar with Tejada,
Dec 22nd 2008
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      Trance
Dec 22nd 2008
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           my trance experience
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           RE: my trance experience
Dec 23rd 2008
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                RE: my trance experience
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                     Hey, you two. Give me a trance recommendation.
Jan 29th 2009
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                          RE: Hey, you two. Give me a trance recommendation.
Jan 29th 2009
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                               RE: Hey, you two. Give me a trance recommendation.
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                                    Word. Thank you Mr. AndrewVS.
Feb 05th 2009
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           Trance Trance Trance
Feb 18th 2009
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                RE: Trance Trance Trance
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uh huh.
Dec 22nd 2008
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mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa
Jan 29th 2009
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RE: mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa
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RE: mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa
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      RE: mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa
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I was going to say this sounds JUST like Aphex
Feb 05th 2009
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it's still good though
Feb 05th 2009
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Wisp - Steam City
Feb 19th 2009
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twine is one of my favorites from last year
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i love last.fm.
Feb 05th 2009
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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pretty much
Feb 07th 2009
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here's a quote on dubstep for you:
Feb 11th 2009
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Do people still like Mike Paradinas?
Feb 05th 2009
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RE: Do people still like Mike Paradinas?
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      'bilious paths' WAS good
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           Agreed.
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I just got the best album of all time on Vinyl
Feb 19th 2009
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wow at this:
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jesus christ @ only
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is the vinyl, umm, out of print?
Feb 20th 2009
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just bought The KLF's 'Chill Out' on vinyl
Feb 19th 2009
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RE: just bought The KLF's 'Chill Out' on vinyl
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IDM lives!
Mar 02nd 2009
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bizarre, amazing, cute
Mar 02nd 2009
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dorks unite
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RE: dorks unite
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RE: dorks unite
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      RE: dorks unite
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excelsior
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Gus Gus
May 14th 2009
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Heard the name, never got around to listening, now I'm curious n/m
May 14th 2009
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      a little bit of music here
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*BUMPITY*
May 29th 2009
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1. "I could never get into Boards Of Canada"
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every album of theirs I heard I felt like I was listening to the soundtrack for a really boring film.

- Dub

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40. "RE: I could never get into Boards Of Canada"
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damn, thats a shame..theyre my favourite band of all time

  

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54. "seriously. its way too ambient for me."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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2. "RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?"
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BoC is kinda one of those groups where you either get what they are doing and love it to no end, or you think it's boring as all hell and hate it.

Check out "The Campfire Headphase". Solange actually sampled that. Compared to their two other album major albums, it is very varied and far more accessible. It tends to get people into their albums.

They are actually the most simplistic and repetitive out of all the artists I mentioned, but I just love their stuff.

  

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3. "My favorite genre is 'acoustic'."
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4. "I like the music, but tend to ignore the sub-genre tags"
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I hear about groups and when it gets into mega-noish, borg-tech, or whatever, I just want to hear what it sounds like.


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5. "RE: I like the music, but tend to ignore the sub-genre tags"
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Wed Dec-17-08 01:28 AM by AndrewVS

          

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9lpy6UROF4
Autechre - Gantz Graf (click "High Quality")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXyIB2L52Dc
Aphex Twin - Afx v237 or something of that nature, more commonly known as Rubber Johnny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lEsLcGB7Vo
Boards Of Canada - Dayvan Cowboy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAFWMIgLIgs
Squarepusher - Welcome To Europe (wait about 1 minute or so for this track to get really good)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUyxJ-2yPgA
Amon Tobin - Verbal

I tried to just post their most popular tracks. Nowadays Autechre is like 25 years ahead of their time (that track was from the late 90s or so I believe), Aphex Twin kinda started producing more dance-oriented stuff, BoC just hasn't put out anything at all, Squarepusher continues to put out stuff that range between Jazz, Electronic and Rock and Amon Tobin is still putting out shit too. These aren't even my personal favorite tracks by them, I just tried to post stuff that people who've never heard the genre before might dig.

  

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12. "I have all of those n/m"
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6. "RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?"
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>Or similar sounding music? All those crazy sub-genre titles:
>IDM, Breakcore, Minimalism, Avant-Garde Electronic, Noise,
>Glitch and whatnot.

i used to be.


>Basically I'd love to get a discussion going on this, because
>on forums where people _do_ love this music, said people are
>ridiculously up their own ass.

you mean like on
http://forum.watmm.com/
http://xltronic.com/mb/
http://www.ninjatune.net/forum/


>What are your thoughts on combining Hip Hop with elements of
>Experimental Electronic?

lots of active posts up about this


>to which Squarepusher
>was more or less elitist as all hell in a private interview
>response (in summary: he didn't really know anything about hip
>hop and just assumed andre 3000/outkast was mainstream generic
>shit made 100% for money).

source or it didn't happen


>Your thoughts on the various IDM albums that dropped this year
>(Quaristice, Just A Souvenir, Amon Tobin's various singles).

you should've registered a few months earlier, we needed you!

  

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7. "RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?"
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Wed Dec-17-08 01:35 AM by AndrewVS

          

>you mean like on
>http://forum.watmm.com/
>http://xltronic.com/mb/
>http://www.ninjatune.net/forum/

Well, I mean, yeah. Granted WATMM is very informative and hilarious, but rarely ever has serious discussion. xltronic isn't as informative as it is a cool forum, but still there is a lack of serious discussion (to me anyways). Ninjatune...I've known the label for ages, never even considered going to the forum. I did know that Planet Mu had a forum haha


>>What are your thoughts on combining Hip Hop with elements of
>>Experimental Electronic?
>
>lots of active posts up about this

I did a search for "IDM" before I made this topic and all I found were like two other massively old topics. Link plx?



>source or it didn't happen

It was on...The Guardian, I believe? Some British interview he did, but if you really read what he was saying, he was more concerned about the lyrical content of what it would consist of, how seriously they would take him and basically had a misconception for the type of artist Andre 3000 is (and Hip Hop in general). He was very negative in the interview despite how positive he was on camera.

>you should've registered a few months earlier, we needed you!

Just A Souv dropped like a few weeks ago! Quaristice is old news yeah but still

  

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11. "RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?"
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>Well, I mean, yeah. Granted WATMM is very informative and
>hilarious, but rarely ever has serious discussion. xltronic
>isn't as informative as it is a cool forum, but still there is
>a lack of serious discussion (to me anyways).
>Ninjatune...I've known the label for ages, never even
>considered going to the forum. I did know that Planet Mu had
>a forum haha

oh, the planet mu forum sucks, too. it's the same type of people as the other forums i linked. i will only go there if i need to know something planet mu-related or if some artist posted something of note there. xltronic and ninja tune i won't go to at all, and watmm i'll visit a few times a year to see what albums came out or are coming out soon that i didn't know about or maybe compare my reaction to an album with theirs. my tolerance level for these people is very low.


>I did a search for "IDM" before I made this topic and all I
>found were like two other massively old topics. Link plx?

just look up these:
aphex
autechre
squarepusher
wonky
prefuse
flying lotus (use AND)
burial
dubstep

that should get you all of them. even the discussions that are a few weeks old are still interesting (in my opinion) and can be bumped up with a reply, unlike the archives.


>>source or it didn't happen
>
>It was on...The Guardian, I believe?

yeah, there's a topic about that (see above to find), squarepusher took over as guest editor recently. i don't think i've read that yet, so it could be there. i used to link that video interview on squarepusher.net ('hello everything' era) where the interviewer shows him the clip of andre gushing over how great he is, and from tom (squarepusher)'s reaction i thought that he was touched, but i guess it's vague enough that it's possible he wasn't all that familiar with outkast. that's a pity, if true, because those are 2 of my favorite artists, and i held out slight hope for some kind of collaboration.


>Some British interview
>he did, but if you really read what he was saying, he was more
>concerned about the lyrical content of what it would consist
>of, how seriously they would take him and basically had a
>misconception for the type of artist Andre 3000 is (and Hip
>Hop in general). He was very negative in the interview
>despite how positive he was on camera.

i will try to get to that soon. i'm surprised though because tom did some feeble rapping on his last few albums.


>Just A Souv dropped like a few weeks ago! Quaristice is old
>news yeah but still

yeah, but with the way people download leaked albums and play them out long before they're released, i was trying hard to get a discussion going for the squarepusher album, and back in the spring i had a pretty long topic about 'quaristice' but half of it was off-topic about the genre and about autechre's general recordings and live performances. half of the people who addressed the album basically said they'd try to pick it up or listen to it, but few of them ever said what they thought. it can be really aggravating to get a real conversation going here about specific "IDM" albums, so i've mostly given up.

  

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17. "fixed"
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>back in
>the spring i had a pretty long topic about 'quaristice' but
>half of it was off-topic about the genre and about autechre's
>general recordings and live performances. half of the people
>who addressed the album basically said they'd try to pick it
>up or listen to it, but few of them ever said what they
>thought. it can be really aggravating to get a real
>conversation going here about specific "IDM" albums, so i've
>mostly given up. except for that imcvspl guy who actually listened
>to the album and gave his song by song analysis, even acknowledging
>some of the technical stuff they had incorporated into the album.
>i'm pretty sure he also spun off another topic about the whole live
>thing trying to break down the whole concept of the electronic
>performance using the alternate takes from autechre as examples, but
>no one ever reads his posts.


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19. "well, there's that, too"
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you do represent in the lesson topics, no doubt.

  

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8. "I didn't see the Squarepusher interview...."
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but I do have a magazine that dropped before Stankonia in which Kast say they're next album was going to be produced by SP, so it was prolly taken out of context.

- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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9. "RE: I didn't see the Squarepusher interview...."
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Oh I'm referring to incredibly recently...sorta (well like 2006/2007).

This was the original TV interview:
http://squarepusher.net/justasouvenir/
Go there, then click "Watch", then click "BBC Culture Show".

His serious response, I don't feel like tracking down, but I'm sure google will help.

  

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34. "i just watched that clip"
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and he doesnt sound dismissive. he just said it would prob be hard to get in touch with dre3000.

  

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10. "RE: How many here are into the whole Experimental Electronic genre?"
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Found it:

On The Future.
13
Madeupname asks: It’s rumoured that Andre 3000 wants to make a record with you. Would that interest you? What criteria would you have for collaborating? Is there anyone in particular you would love to work with?
Squarepusher: The main criterion is the lyrical content. I wouldn't want to be another production vehicle for some Outkast derivative style pop. I would have to probe his intellect to see if we could come up with some sort of agreed standpoint on lyrical content. I suspect that there is a bigger cultural divide across the Atlantic than people think. It's easy to wash over that with time honoured themes of sex + love etc, but if one wanted to go beyond this consensus lyrical territory, I dare say the cultural differences would start to become clearer. We'll see.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A16411088

Yeah.

  

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13. "hmm"
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>Found it:
>
>On The Future.
>13
>Madeupname asks: It’s rumoured that Andre 3000 wants to make a
>record with you. Would that interest you? What criteria would
>you have for collaborating? Is there anyone in particular you
>would love to work with?
>Squarepusher: The main criterion is the lyrical content. I
>wouldn't want to be another production vehicle for some
>Outkast derivative style pop. I would have to probe his
>intellect to see if we could come up with some sort of agreed
>standpoint on lyrical content. I suspect that there is a
>bigger cultural divide across the Atlantic than people think.
>It's easy to wash over that with time honoured themes of sex +
>love etc, but if one wanted to go beyond this consensus
>lyrical territory, I dare say the cultural differences would
>start to become clearer. We'll see.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A16411088
>
>Yeah.

while i may not agree with him 100%, i sort of feel him on that one. it helps that i've followed his career for 11 years and know his (public) personality pretty well. it's also a british thing going on there. he's probably not as familiar with outkast as we are, especially "solo" andre of the last few years. he could do with some brushing up on his guest spots and the class of 3000 season 1 OST, but i can also see why he wouldn't want to get into a situation where they're doing something ultra poppy like "hey ya" or anything with sex raps. but, i mean, at least he is recognizing andre's intellect and entertaining the possibility of a collab, even if just hypothetically.

  

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14. "experimental electronic music? it sucks. its just nerds with laptops. n..."
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15. "can you expound in a more insightful way?"
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just nerds with laptops..thats it?

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16. "I'm guessing (hoping) it was sarcasm."
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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18. "maybe if you flipped it on 45 so I can dance to it n/m"
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43. "RE: maybe if you flipped it on 45 so I can dance to it n/m"
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That's what Aphex Twin has been doing for the past three years

But also most people who make that sort of music have all made dance-friendly tracks in their career at some point. Normally early on. But people like Aphex have been going back to making more dance-friendly music.

  

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48. "not wanting to give you the wrong impression early... that was sarcasm"
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i'm a big fan though only recently (last few years) got into the genre deep.
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20. "I like that stuff, although..."
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Getting into some of the sort of near-ambient, electro-acoustic kinds of music that seems to be a distinct movement but that I don't have a good name for ---labels like n5md, symbolic interaction, type, for example. Can overlap both with the electronic music you mention but also favors a lot of acoustic instruments and field recordings. I don't like all of it, but there are things in it that appeal to me.

Example of an album I've been listening to lately: Mesoscaphe, a collaboration between Mathieu Ruhlmann and Celer. The album is about a 1969 submarine voyage through the gulf stream by physicist Jacques Piccard, utilizing filtered/processed recordings of the submersible device itself, water, and subtle instrumental sounds. Very subtle and atmospheric, as you might imagine, recreating a feeling of being/travelling underwater.

  

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21. "that sounds like a cool album."
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i want(ed) to record 'acousticophilia: the album.' not to be confused with acoustic music but rather the phenomenon of acousticophilia, i wanted it to be like pan sonic, tim hecker, gas, the field, etc.

on a semi-related note, have you heard either of these albums on rephlex? thoughts?
http://www.discogs.com/release/130671
http://www.discogs.com/release/49916

  

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22. "I have not heard those, but they seem interesting."
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On yet another un-related note, several years ago my friend and I once found a Rephlex release at our local Wal-Mart.

I am interested in hearing more specific ideas about your album...

  

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23. "RE: I have not heard those, but they seem interesting."
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>On yet another un-related note, several years ago my friend
>and I once found a Rephlex release at our local Wal-Mart.

which one was it? that is a little surprising. was it during the mid-'90s? rephlex's distribution is decent, but it's not touching warp's distribution in the early '00s. it was amazing where they got their records.


>I am interested in hearing more specific ideas about your
>album...

that one, 'the hobbyist,' 'soundtrack to a comedown,' etc. comin' two thousand never.

  

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24. "Trying to remember, I think..."
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...it was this one:

http://www.discogs.com/release/25294

I let him have it, I think I had found some lee perry album I was more enthusiastic about so I'm not positive. I'm not absolutely thrilled with everything rephlex-related, so figured it was an acceptable loss. The surprise was that it was even there.

It occurred to me that I don't generally equate this kind of music with sexuality. I don't know if that interpretation is correct, or something I have imposed on it, but I think that's why the idea amuses me.



  

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25. "RE: Trying to remember, I think..."
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>It occurred to me that I don't generally equate this kind of
>music with sexuality. I don't know if that interpretation is
>correct, or something I have imposed on it, but I think that's
>why the idea amuses me.

my take on it isn't necessarily a sexual one, just basic "arousal" or excitement by sounds, so this hypothetical, perhaps never-to-be-recorded album would be comprised of music with sounds that are really fun to listen to, not necessarily light and happy but not necessarily deep and serious either.

  

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27. "I see"
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Well, you should make it, at least try to; it sounds like a unique angle. Even when it doesn't quite work the way you want it to, being creative is very satisfying ---it sounds like you have ideas, sometimes that's the hardest part.

>my take on it isn't necessarily a sexual one, just basic
>"arousal" or excitement by sounds, so this hypothetical,
>perhaps never-to-be-recorded album would be comprised of music
>with sounds that are really fun to listen to, not necessarily
>light and happy but not necessarily deep and serious either.

  

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41. "RE: that sounds like a cool album."
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Mecanoid is pretty fantastic, but I would start with his frequent collaborator Pascal Comelade if you're interested in that sound.

Never heard the Normandeau.

Also I want to smack squarepusher for that outkast comment. Fuck that guy.

  

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44. "RE: that sounds like a cool album."
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I've heard Sonars. It was cool if you are into Noise music.

  

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26. "does Zero 7 count? cause they are DOPE AS SHIT."
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NICE TRY KOWALSKI

In Rotation-
quality music all the time.

  

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28. "No, they don't."
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35. "haha"
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29. "Bleep Top 10 of '08"
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1. Hudson Mohawke - Polyfolk Dance (Sampler) (Warp)
Available exclusively on Bleep.com for the next 5 weeks, this 2-track taster of electronic blips and chopped vocals displays an alarming forecast into the talents that this young Glaswegian producer holds. Already having attracted careful observation from media who still struggle to label the movement (Aqua Crunk?/ Wonky?); combine this with his recent signing to Warp, 2009 looks like it's going to be the year of the Mohawke.




2. Lone - Lemurian (Dealmaker)
Nottingham's Matt Cutler dropped this ear tickling debut with a coolness that few matched in '08. Brimming with heavily compressed beats that fidget and ache and groove against a miasma of aqua-sonics and soul-drenched samples; if this has been the year of the wonk then Lemurian stands proud as one of its more intriguing documents. At once disconcerting and beatific, Lemurian's shoegazing loveliness is THE unique take on the sound of tomorrow.




3. Eero Johannes - Eero Johannes (Planet Mu)
Playful space-disco meets toy-town dubstep may sound horrific but Planet Mu's latest signing delivered us a caffeine frenzy magnum opus, high on invention. Across fourteen analogue coated cuts, cosmic highlife and genre tennis a-plenty ..Johannes has more melodies per minute than ten-long players cooped up in a busy pop-factory.




4. Tape - Luminarium (Hapna)
Sublime bedroom minimalism from the Swedish band, fluttering and floating into the ears like nothing else this year. Once the opening crackle and shimmering guitar trails of opening track 'Beams' is torched, Luminarium glows through sixty minutes of lush arrangements, ghostly field recordings and a cornucopia of treated acoustic instruments. Beautiful.




5. The Bug - Poison Dart (Ninja Tune)
2008's most explosive record, veteran producer Kevin Martin has comfortably crafted his finest work to date. A phuture masterpiece, London Zoo frazzles and sparks with apocalyptic rage, post-millennial tension and subsonic monster beats. No other release this year has brought together stomping lyrical resonance(in the shape of some prime M.C talent) politico-dancehall grooves and bashment boogie with such skill. In years to come London Zoo WILL become a seminal record, for the meantime just buy it on bleep.




6. Rustie - Zig Zag (Wireblock)
If you are like us, then you probably remember the first time you heard this song. Definitely not a background-music tune, Zig-Zag drags the choke-held listener through an electronic soundtrack to Apocalypse, only intensified by chord changes every time you feel you might get a chance to breathe. The Terminator soundtrack on crack.




7. Flying Lotus - L.A. EP 2 X 3 (Warp)
Following on from one of the best albums of 2008, this EP is a hand-picked selection of Flying Lotus' favourite producers to re-work tracks off the seminal Los Angeles LP. It is a selection of the freshest producers around today re-piecing together the soundbytes of FlyLo's well-inked musical stamp for 2008. Essential.




8. Toob - Push Me, Pull You (Process)
One half of Red Snapper, Richard Thair teamed up with Jake Williams for this, their glorious second album under the Toob moniker. Oscillating wildly through the genres Push Me, Pull You is a must for fans of cosmic-krautrock rhythms, crunchy breaks, 80s new-wave and keyboard hooks from every corner. Underpinning the technicolor are wonderfully deadpan vocals and subversively skewed pop-melodies. The left-field pop album of the year.




9. Loco Dice - 7 Dunham Place (Desolat)
Lush minimal techno from downtown Brooklyn that squarely confronts the genre with a freshness of approach that zings and pings its way into your consciousness. Hooky piano stabs, densely textured programming and cut-up musique-concrete mean ... Dunham Place's Nuyorican flavour attacks both the dancefloor and the heads in equal measure.




10. Ratatat - LP3 (XL Recordings)
Unimaginatively titled, but a box of kooky treasures, as you might have come to expect from Ratatat. Crying out for some ad syncs, it is both thoughtful and calm but with some more developed sounds than before, particularly the Spanish influences that come out on Gipsy Threat and Mi Viejo.

  

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71. "umm lone? that dudes soundscapes are similar to boards of canada..."
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but his drumkits sound like fruityloop presets and are cheap as shit

like he doesn't alter them in anyway.

that list is kind of wack.

outside of flying lotus (where is los angeles?), ratatat and eerojohannes

  

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72. "RE: umm lone? that dudes soundscapes are similar to boards of canada..."
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>but his drumkits sound like fruityloop presets and are cheap
>as shit
>
>like he doesn't alter them in anyway.

agreed, but we're in the minority here. times have changed, as have standards and collective memory.

  

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74. "Ratatat = totally overrated"
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Those cats are a one note machine. Way too much props for what they put out...

  

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75. "RE: Ratatat = totally overrated"
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>Those cats are a one note machine. Way too much props for
>what they put out...

their hype has turned me off to the extent that i've yet to check them out. i hope that when i finally listen they'll live up to some of the hype.

  

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77. "i wasn't that much of a fan until lp3 dropped, so i won't argue this"
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73. "Hooray for #2!!! :)"
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>2. Lone - Lemurian (Dealmaker)
>Nottingham's Matt Cutler dropped this ear tickling debut with
>a coolness that few matched in '08. Brimming with heavily
>compressed beats that fidget and ache and groove against a
>miasma of aqua-sonics and soul-drenched samples; if this has
>been the year of the wonk then Lemurian stands proud as one of
>its more intriguing documents. At once disconcerting and
>beatific, Lemurian's shoegazing loveliness is THE unique take
>on the sound of tomorrow.

I hope I don't pass away before his Kona Triangle project drops.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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98. "Bleep's More of the Best"
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1. GAS- Nah Und Fern (Kompakt)
A truly outstanding canon of work Wolfgang Voight (AKA GAS, AKA Kompakt founder) drew together his –almost- entire discography into this, the essential re-issue of the year by a Wagnerian mile. Through 4 discs you are invited to spend time in-the rural techno dream-scape and if you’re remotely interested in the electronic/classical/experimental lineage prepare to be enthralled. Like nothing else on the sonic map, Voight’s work is at once Lynchian and lovely, macabre and murky, dripping with the sonic dew of the forest floor. Transmuted classical samples emerge from the haze and a dense kick-pulse hangs the majesty together with a grandeur that has rarely been matched in modern music. Astounding.



2. Luomo- Convivial (Huume)
4/4 never sounded this sexy, this sparkling this downright soulful. Uber prolific Finnish producer Sasu Ripatti (Vladislav Delay, Usitalo) returned this year with his third L.P. under the Luomo guise and what a comeback. Deep within the metallic-Teutonic nexus do Ripatti’s drums roam, staccato bass-riffs chop and soft pads soar high into the futurist-disco-ether… and that’s only the first cut. Elsewhere melancholia and euphoria arrive in the shape of some stellar guest vocalists including Jake Shears (yes, Scissor Sisters) who effortlessly turns in a luxuriant dance-floor wrecker. Buy Buy Buy….



3. Philip Jeck- Sand (Touch)
Liverpool based sound-destroyer cum turntablist Philip Jeck pulled this gem out of the crackle this year, easily his most complete work to date. Through the dusty spectre of records past is the haunted space in which Jeck’s work operates, Sand is no different. Taking in resonant drones and constantly undulating synth-trails, the detail sits quietly, buried deep within the mix. Repeated listens only serve to heighten the tiny fragments of sound glittering through the distorted ’78 loops and detuned radios; like listening to the Mersey River through a mangled, sepia tainted-photograph. If that’s possible.



4. Benga- Diary of an Afro Warrior (Tempa)
Arriving early in the year with the much hyped-crossover smash ‘Night’ hanging high, one might have expected Benga’s debut to have aged by now in the mutant, constantly evolving dubstep climate, not so. Although the lead single does cast its killer morse-code riff-shadow far into the future, the young producer has far too many tricks on his laptop to be a one hit wonder. Elsewhere swarming killer-bee drones evade the threat of dubstep narcolepsy and some imaginative break-beat science keep things fresh. Moreover, buried in the darkside invention is a poptimism unheralded by his peers making Benga a genuine contender in years to come.



5. Gang Gang Dance- Saint Dymphna (Warp)
Sonic curveball of the year to many, Gang Gang took the fractured experi-mental-ism of previous releases and distilled their truly unique vision into a glorious, kitchen-sink-pop whole. So accomplished yet packed with ideas it’s testament to St. Dymphna’s power that’s its topped countless end of year polls, but its so good we felt obliged to throw it in ours as well. Polymath funk, noise-core, African-percussive tick’s melt into a dizzying whole; think Lydia Lunch munching on Fela and Aphex and Animal Collective and you still won’t be near to pigeonholing this Brooklyn beast.



6. Madlib- WLIB AM: King of the Wigflip (Rapster Records)
BBE's excellent Beat Generation Series which launched with the legendary J Dilla's first solo album is now fittingly finalized with this full length from Madlib. Following on from the seminal ancestry of hip- hop's most revered producers that this series has highlighted, Rapster pulled this nugget out from under the crate-digger rug in ’08. Here the ever- prolific Madlib hones and focuses his unquestioned skill into a silken- groove score of bouncy, dusty samples and the warmest soul licks known to man.



7. Mogwai- The Hawk Is Howling (Rock Action)
On first spin it would seem that the Scottish-post rock outfit’s fifth record had done little to deviate from their successful well-worn template: dense atmospherics, spiralling guitar melodies to capture the imagination and the ‘oft quoted ‘quiet bit loud bit’ dynamic capture/release. However closer inspection stands the Hawk in amongst their finest work. ‘The Sun Smells Too Loud’ evidences glittering glorious hooks in its electronic pulse –their mainstream moment perhaps- and overall the Hawk shimmers with the hope-bound optimism of a band finding new pages to turn.



8. Kelpe- Ex-Aquarium (DC Recordings)
The sophomore effort from the London based production-wizard rustles masterfully on the aqua-sonics of glitch-hop pioneers Dabrye and Prefuse but stands firm in its own right. Guitars curlicue inside the sophisticated beat-maze like the twining of seaweed on sand, drum waves clatter the surface and a sad moodiness echoes throughout… A marked improvement from 2004’s debut ‘Sea inside Body’ the mischievous chimes and the fidgety bass-lines are a furiously addictive mix, all frosty blues and glowing oranges. Top-marks again to DC for another sterling release.




9. Byetone- Death Of Typographer (Raster-Noton)
A surprisingly accessible release to any familiar with the Raster-Noton catalogue of avant-noise-click-terrorism, Byetone’s (Olaf Bender) ethos sticks steadfast with the Noton-maxim but takes it to intoxicating, reductive new heights. The digital clicks and immaculate production are the epitome of cleanliness in the 1s and 0s, the inner workings of the software feedback-loop. Clinical aesthetics aside …Typographer is a decidedly soulful-record; strip back the layers of intricate programming and glacial synths and we are left with abstract melody; a sumptuous creative dialogue between man and machine.




10. Starkey- Ephemeral Exhibits (Planet Mu)
The hardcore continuum was very much kept alive by Starkey this year; and in an interesting post-geographical twist, Starkey was one of few American heads who latched onto grime to generate a marvellously-mongrel breed of UK bass music. Ephemeral’s rave bleeps ping-pong across the stereo field clattering against the atonal sub-bass wobbles and metamorphosed, pitch-shifted vox to give us a furious set. Through the druggy-dissonance is also a cute way with a catchy off-beat refrain and some lacerating lead 303 lines. All round killer infectiousness from the new Planet Mu Philly boy.

  

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30. "Beatport Best of '08 (edited)"
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edit: Just by coincidence, if you wanna know the particular label for an album, RWQ.


Kenny Larkin
Keys, Strings, Tambourines

Sascha Funke
Mango

Flying Lotus
Los Angeles


Dave Aju
Open Wide

Move D, Benja...
Songs From The Beehive

Minilogue
Animals (CD 1 - Dance)


Lindstrom
Where You Go I Go Too

Heartthrob
Dear Painter, Paint Me

Morgan Geist
Double Night Time


Shed
Shedding The Past

Prosumer, ...
Serenity

Loco Dice
7 Dunham Place


Extrawelt
Schone Neue Extrawelt

Autechre
Quaristice

The Mole
As High As The Sky


Quiet Village
Silent Movie

Dinky
May Be Later

Lee Jones
Electronic Frank


Deadbeat
Roots And Wire

Byetone
Death Of A Typographer

Benga
Diary Of An Afro Warrior

Petar Dundov
Escapements

Booka Shade
The Sun & The Neon Light

Mr. Oizo
Lambs Anger


Miwon
A To B

John Tejada
Where

Mike Monday
Songs Without Words Part 1


Francesco Tristano
Auricle Bio On

Kangding Ray
Automne Fold

Munk
Cloudbuster


Hecq
Night Falls

SCSI-9
Easy As Down

Scuba
A Mutual Antipathy


Beat ...
Wikkid Times

Alva Noto
Unitxt

Mike Shannon
Memory Tree


Various
More Than Alot

Force Of Nature
III (European Edition Album)

Osborne
Osborne


Newworldaquarium
The Dead Bears

Scorn
Stealth

Toby Tobias
Space Shuffle

  

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31. "this list makes me realize how behind I am."
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I have so many of these on my wishlist, but been listening to other things...never enough time and money. I do really like that Quiet Village, though.

  

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32. "No shit."
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Really, the end of the year is when I always catch up with electronic stuff.

It gets such little publicity throughout the year, unless you routinely visit blogs. Which I don't.

  

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36. "I basically check in ever so often with:"
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the weekly Kompakt distribution lists
resident advisor reviews (paying attention to the names rather than the reviews)
textura reviews

every now and then looking at beatport charts and that house trax site that the name of which escapes me at the moment...

and then use these things to cobble together my own wishlist as far as electronic/dance music. try to get as much info from as few sources as possible, so I don't have to be following everything all the time

  

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37. "Thanks for reminding me about Textura."
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I just got into both Textura and Resident Advisor this year, but I don't check them regularly whatsoever.

  

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58. "RE: No shit."
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>Really, the end of the year is when I always catch up with
>electronic stuff.
>
>It gets such little publicity throughout the year, unless you
>routinely visit blogs. Which I don't.

right, same here... or other forums, which i haven't for years. i've gotten standoffish though with dubstep and now this new "wonky" genre, preferring the good old fashioned stuff.

  

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89. "oh"
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and now with the amount and spectrum of replies, this topic mirrors my "2007 electronic music albums i slept on" ("i thought this was going to be a list of 2007 albums!" -tone) post from last year. the year-end lists really do help bring perspective so we can finally have a good and varied discussion every december.

  

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90. "Yep."
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I'd forgotten exactly which post it was, but I knew we had a similar post the same time last year. That was the reason I decided to post up the 'Best of' lists, like I did last year. I probably went overboard with it this time, but given that this only happens once a year, I guess it's all right.

I know I personally haven't heard anything about 85-90% of the albums in the lists. So if it's helping me, I hope it helps you guys, too.

  

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33. "thats a shame about that interview"
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"in summary: he didn't really know anything about hip hop and just assumed andre 3000/outkast was mainstream generic shit made 100% for money"

i dont want to hear andre doing drum n bass with SP but id have liked to hear them do something together.

  

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49. "RE: thats a shame about that interview"
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Well remember on The Love Below his D&B re-interpretation of My Favorite Things?

Yeah like, I could picture it after I heard that.

  

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38. "Textura's Best of '08"
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TOP 20 ALBUMS

01. Rudi Arapahoe: Echoes From One To Another (Symbolic Interaction)

We were floored by the beauty of this ravishing fusion of classical and electronic musics when it appeared in mid-2008. Created by a “sound artist working from Helix Branch studios” and augmented by a small but critical assortment of guests credited with keyboards, vocals, guitar, harp, and strings, Echoes From One To Another sounds like what might result if Akira Rabelais, Arvo Pärt, and The Balustrade Ensemble spent a month collaborating at a studio in some ancient, haunted castle.

02. Cyne: Starship Utopia (Project Mooncircle) / Pretty Dark Things (Hometapes)

Yes, they're two separate releases, but CYNE's 2008 discs appeared almost simultaneously and so should be heard together in order for the full impact of the Florida-based quartet's hip-hop to take effect. The group once again strikes a marvelous balance between the biting and topical words of Akin (Akin Yai) and Cise Star (Clyde Graham) and the sparkling tracks sonic alchemists Enoch (David Newell) and Speck (Michael Gersten) roll out behind.

03. The Foreign Exchange: Leave It All Behind (Hard Boiled)

On this splendidly soulful follow-up to 2004's Connected, producer Nicolay and and vocalist Phonte create lush, multi-tiered arrangements using horns, keyboards, beats, bass, and, most of all, layer upon layer of lead and harmony vocals (with Phonte's supplemented by Darien Brockington, Yahzarah, and Muhsinah).

04. Mathieu Ruhlmann + Celer: Mesoscaphe (Spekk)

A collaboration between Vancouver-based Mathieu Ruhlmann and Celer (Danielle Baquet-Long and Will Long), the fifty-three-minute sound work Mesoscaphe is programmatically-grounded in the story of the thirty-day 1969 voyage of the Ben Franklin, a naturally-propelled submarine designed to explore the currents of the Gulf Stream. The merging of Ruhlmann's field recordings and actual Contact Mic Recordings of the Mesoscaphe with Celer's fluid, slow-motion tones (generated using piano, electronics, Theremin, and tape loops) creates a mix so layered it can't help but be labeled oceanic.

05. Deepchord: Vantage Isle Sessions (Echospace )

Mixed by Steven Hitchell and produced and composed by Rod Modell, Deepchord's Vantage Isle Sessions serves up eighty glorious minutes of ultra-deep dub-techno. The release consists of thirteen variations of “Vantage Isle,” with Modell and Hitchell twisting the tune into consistently captivating shapes under multiple guises (cv313, Deepchord, Echospace, Spacecho).

06. Rick Wade: The Good, The Bad, And The Deep (Yore)

Rick Wade has issued his own deep strain of late-night House music since 1991 so it shouldn't surprise that his tracks draw upon additional styles such as classic disco, smooth jazz, funk, and Philly soul. In this superb set for Yore, one detects traces of Barry White, Gamble and Huff, and The Crusaders: White in the soulful strings that sometimes course through Wade's steaming tracks, Gamble and Huff in the arrangements, and The Crusaders' Joe Sample in the Rhodes flourishes that caress the tunes' grooves.

07. Gregor Samsa: Rest (Own Records)

The multi-limbed Gregor Samsa (whose dozen instrumentalists and vocalists reside in NY, Chicago, Boston, and Richmond) lulls the listener into a state of peaceful slumber on its third full-length album, with the group's lyrical odes tailor-made for lovers of Rachel's and Sigur Rós. Think gorgeous, often funereal compositions featuring hushed vocals, graceful piano melodies, and arrangements adorned with dashes of violin, cello, celesta, clarinet, and vibraphone.

08. orchestramaxfieldparrish: The Silent Breath Of Emptiness (Faith Strange)

On this fifty-minute set of guitar-generated soundscapes, Mike Fazio uses various effects to transform his solo guitar playing into an hypnotic polyphony of rolling waves, supplicant peals, and hazy drones; conventional guitar sounds are all but absent as Fazio generates industrial sheets and metallic washes throughout the album's five explorations.

09. Mlle Caro & Franck Garcia: Pain Disappears (Buzzin' Fly)

Buzzin' Fly's premiere artist album, Pain Disappears, showcases Mlle Caro (Mademoiselle Caroline Laher) and her Perpignan-based collaborator Franck Garcia's deft command of multiple styles, including dance-pop, minimal house, New Wave, electro, disco, and even romantic ballads. Ewan Pearson brings his Midas touch to a remix of “Always You” and stretches the material out for a glorious eleven minutes, elevating the song into a club anthem without sacrificing the original's essence.

10. Twine: Violets (Ghostly)

In 2008, Greg Malcolm and Chad Mossholder issued their fourth Twine full-length, Violets, the soundtrack for a dying civilization whose members and nations seem to be at perpetual war with one another and hell-bent on contaminating whatever collective resources still remain. The release reveals a marked shift in style from the group's third, self-titled album: whereas it retains some degree of kinship with Autechre-styled IDM, Violets has more in common sonically with the psychedelic, guitar-centric doomscaping of Set Fire To Flames and bands of similar ilk.

11. Willits + Sakamoto: Ocean Fire (12k)

Ryuichi Sakamoto joins forces with innovative guitarist-sound sculptor Christopher Willits for this beautiful seven-track suite dedicated to the healing and restoration of our fragile oceans. Another in an ongoing stream of superb 12k releases, Ocean Fire is a must-listen for devotees of deeply-textured ambient dronescaping.

12. Osborne: Osborne (Spectral Sound)

Todd Osborn's simply-titled release is a totally refreshing collection of uplifting and highly melodic house tracks brimming with lush arrangements and buoyed by an unabashed spirit of joyous uplift. Given the album's stylistic breadth, it hardly surprises that its original title was Multitasking.

13. Michna: Magic Monday (Ghostly)

The music on Adrian Michna's Magic Monday is as multi-hued and saturated as its candy-coloured cover. The debut album by the young producer (also known as a DJ under the Egg Foo Young alias) blends hip-hop, funk, and soul into a succulent instrumental mix that often comes across like an affectionate homage to his NY home.

14. Nicolay & Kay: Time:Line (Nicolay Music)

Nicolay makes his second appearance in this year's list with Time:Line, a marvelous hip-hop collaboration with MC Kay Jackson (The Foundation) that lyrically traces the trajectory of one person's life from birth and childhood into adulthood, death, and even the afterlife, and stylistically distills multiple decades into a single, effervescent hybrid.

15. School Of Seven Bells: Alpinisms (Ghostly)

On their album debut, School of Seven Bells members Ben Curtis and Alejandra and Claudia Deheza strike dream-pop paydirt with Alpinisms' impossibly catchy transmutation of Slowdive, My Bloody Valentine, and Cocteau Twins. On this remarkably assured collection, School of Seven Bells repeatedly blends the psychedelic, futuristic, and tribal into a delicious whole.

16. Deadbeat: Roots And Wire (Wagon Repair)

Scott Monteith's Roots and Wire is so forceful a statement, one could construe it as the now-Berlin-based artist's defiant response to dubstep's upsurge. Though the new release largely dispenses with the overarching narrative structures that coloured his ~scape albums, Roots and Wire's material is so unfailingly solid and fully-realized it may be Deadbeat's strongest release to date.

17. Beneva Vs Clark Nova: Sombunall (Fenêtre)

That Beneva vs. Clark Nova names one of Sombunall's songs “Institute Benjamenta” is certainly telling, as Frank Benjamin Finger (Beneva) and Rudi Simmons (Clark Nova) share with film-makers The Brothers Quay and composer Lech Jankowski an affinity for wildly imaginative and off-the-wall eccentricity. Instrumentally Beneva vs. Clark Nova perpetuates the open-ended tradition of groups such as Múm where every imaginable sound—natural and artificial—is fodder for the group's idiosyncratic music-making. Shape-shifting and mercurial, Sombunall features a dozen constantly flickering snapshots that rarely settle into any one place for longer than a moment or two.

18. Jacaszek: Treny (Miasmah)

One of the key reasons why Michal Jacaszek's Treny impresses as so hauntingly beautiful is that the Polish producer eschewed samples entirely in the creation of the album's material and instead exploited to the fullest degree the artistic gifts of three guests—violinist Stefan Wesolowski, cellist Ania Smiszek-Wesolowska, and singer Maja Sieminska—all of whom make pivotal contributions to Jacaszek's work. Listening to his chamber-electronic lamentations, obvious names from the electronic and classical fields spring to mind—Max Richter, Murcof, Giya Kancheli, et al.—yet Jacaszek nevertheless manages to create music that's unique and fresh.

19. Flying Lotus: Los Angeles (Warp)

Hip-hop's heart will keep beating so long as “next-level” producers such as Flying Lotus keep arriving on the scene with forward-thinking projects like Los Angeles, Steven Ellison's full-length follow-up to 2007's Rest EP. Also known as Juno Leed, the California-based producer and one-time film student brings a J Dilla-like gift for audacious invention to the material, with eroded samples and rough-edged beats woven into woozy, crackle-drenched set-pieces of incredible density and range.

20. Dday One: Heavy Migration (Content)

Heavy Migration is sample-based instrumental hip-hop the way we like it: fifty minutes of material that oozes serious boom-bap but refrains from the kind of construction overkill that ends in claustrophobia and cacophony—using no more gear than a turntable and sampler, DDay never loses touch with musicality, in other words.

30 HONOURABLE MENTIONS

21. Celer: The Everything And The Nothing / Discourse Of The Withered (Infraction)
22. Goldfrapp: Seventh Tree (Mute)
23. Benga: Diary Of An Afro Warrior (Tempa)
24. Susanna: Flower Of Evil (Rune Grammofon)
25. 2tall: The Softer Diagram (Content)
26. Masaoka: For Birds, Planes, And Cello; While I Was Walking, I Heard A Sound (Solitary B)
27. Aloof Proof: Piano Text (Infraction)
28. Kiln: Thermals (Infraction)
29. Dreamsploitation: Soft Focus Sound Of Today (From Here To There)
30. Peter Broderick: Docile (Kning Disk)
31. Autistici: Volume Objects (12k)
32. Mico Nonet: The Marmalade Balloon (Mico Nonet)
33. Yair Etziony: Flawed (Spekk)
34. Stephan Mathieu: Radioland (Die Schachtel)
35. Library Tapes: A Summer Beneath The Trees (Make Mine Music)
36. The Retail Sectors: Starlight Silent Night (Symbolic Interaction)
37. Sawako: Bitter Sweet (12k)
38. Motorcitysoul: Technique (Simple Records)
39. Rae Davis: Positive Thinking (Exponential)
40. Hatchback: Color Of The Sun (Backspin)
41. Windy & Carl: Songs For The Broken Hearted (kranky)
42. Slow Dancing Society: Priest Lake Circa ‘88 (Hidden Shoal)
43. Lisa Nordström: 7 States Of Passion (Kning Disk)
44. Ezekiel Honig: Surfaces of a Broken Marching Band (Anticipate)
45. Sleepingdog: Polar Life (Gizeh)
46. Harold Budd-Clive Wright: A Song For Lost Blossoms (Darla)
47. Stray Ghost: Losthilde (Highpoint Lowlife)
48. Sans Serif: Tones For Lamonte (Hypnos)
49. Spectral Lore-Underjordiska: Split (Stellar Auditorium)
50. Derek Carr: Digital Space Race (Psychonavigation)

TOP 20 COMPILATIONS/MIXES

04. VA: Buzzin Fly 5 Golden Years in the Wilderness (Buzzin Fly)

Buzzin Fly' holds the number one spot hostage for the third year in a row, with the label's previous mixes (Buzzin' Fly 4 and Buzzin' Fly III) the 2007 and 2006 top picks. Try as we might to convince ourselves that another release was more deserving, no other could dislodge the label's fifth anniversary collection when so many fabulous tracks ( “Musica Feliz,” “A Stronger Man,” “Do You Feel?”) are spread across its three CDs. It's a marvelous label overview in a single, definitive package.

02. VA: Nothing Works As Planned (Interval)
03. VA: The Garden Of Forking Paths (Important)
04. Model 500: Starlight (Echospace Detroit)
05. Prins Thomas: The Greatest Tits Vol. 1 (Full Pupp)
06. VA: Magnetism, That Electricity (Highpoint Lowlife)
07. VA: Saturdays I'm In Love (Diynamic)
08. VA: Favourite Places (Audiobulb)
09. VA: The Silence Was Warm 2 (Symbolic Interaction)
10. VA: Messages From A Subatomic World (Hypnos)
11. VA: Cleansing Ascension (Elevator Bath )
12. VA: Muzya Voln (Zhelezobeton)
13. VA: Little Things (Flau)
14. VA: Grand Cru (Grand Cru)
15. VA: Emerging Organisms (Tympanik Audio)
16. Matthew Dear: Body Language 7 (Get Physical)
17. VA: Cosmic Balearic Beats 1 (Eskimo)
18. Justin Martin: Chaos Restored 2 (Buzzin' Fly)
19. Diaspora: Cottage Industries 5 (Neo Ouija)
20. VA: Underscan Now (Underscan)

TOP 20 EPS / SINGLES /12-INCH DISCS

01. Model 500: Starlight (Mike Kuckaby S Y N T H Mix / Intrusion Dub) (Echospace Detroit)

Pressed on a smoky grey-violet vinyl, the Model 500 12-inch pairs a “Starlight” remix by Detroit's Mike Huckaby with an Intrusion Dub makeover. Huckaby's nine-minute “S Y N T H” treatment opens in uptempo mode with swinging hi-hats and metallic chords leading the charge but the bomb really drops one minute in when a thunderous kick drum appears with an equally huge bass falling into formation soon after. The material plunges even deeper on the flip with Intrusion charting an immersive eighteen-minute excursion in signature Deepchord-Echospace mode. The journey's peaceful, gaseous, and beat-free as aqueous chords shimmer within the slowly-mutating fog, with faint echoes of children's voices rising to the surface as the piece nears its destination.

02. Intrusion: Tswana Dub (Brendon Moeller & Phase90 Remixes) (Echospace Detroit)
03. Ateleia / Benjamin Curtis: Baghdad Batterie (Table Of The Elements)
04. Alton Miller: Full Circle (Yore)
05. Alton Miller: Late Night Fantasy (Yore)
06. Andy Vaz: Different Times (Yore) / Andy Vaz (feat. Alton Miller): Different Hours Revisited (Yore )
07. Collections Of Colonies Of Bees: Six Guitars (Table Of The Elements)
08. Fovea Hex: Allure (Die Stadt)
09. Library Tapes: Fragment (Library Tapes)
10. Steve Peters: Webster Cycles (Cold Blue)
11. Duncan O'Ceallaigh: Distant Voices, Still Lives (U-Cover)
12. Funckarma: Dubstoned Ep (Highpoint Lowlife)
13. Tonight: Modern Romance (Moodgadget)
14. Outputmessage: Resurface (Melodic)
15. Dublee & Den: Dublee & Den (Opdisc)
16. Rick Reed: Dreamz / Blue Polz (Elevator Bath )
17. Jim Haynes: Eraldus / Eravaldus (Elevator Bath )
18. Take: The Dirty Decibels Of Thomas Two Thousand (Eat Concrete)
19. Agnes Szelag: No Summer Or Winter (Szelag)
20. Andrew Liles / Fovea Hex: Gone Every Evening (Die Stadt)

  

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39. "Resident Advisor's best of '08 (All right, I'm done now)"
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Top 20 Albums



20. Scuba - A Mutual Antipathy
Scuba - A Mutual Antipathy
"Scuba's relocation to Berlin has been an important one. No, he hasn't started making minimal, but the textures of Berlin—and the influence of Detroit—are all over these songs. Antipathy is a stunningly successful combination of London dubstep beats and subs with the floating textures of early '90s and contemporary techno, all pitched just right for home listening."
-- Jacob Burns




19. Claro Intelecto - Metanarrative
Claro Intelecto - Metanarrative
"Pounding, floor-friendly and sharply produced, Intelecto's Warehouse Sessions delved into the darker sides of techno and electro, but Metanarrative is something different again. Where Sessions was functional, Metanarrative is emotional, although, in typical Intelecto style, distilled from an extensive array of influences—electro, IDM, Detroit techno, dub techno."
-- Janet Leyton-Grant




18. Kenny Larkin - Keys, Strings, Tambourines
Kenny Larkin - Keys, Strings, Tambourines
"Throughout Keys, Strings, Tambourines, Larkin peppers his elegant tech house rhythms with jazzy keyboard fills, strings, tambourines and oddball synth blurts, making for an especially tuneful listen that doesn't skimp on the ass-shaking. Fans of Larkin's classic works will not be disappointed here, nor will those discovering his music for the first time."
-- Todd Hutlock




17. Dave Aju - Open Wide
Dave Aju - Open Wide
"Dave Aju's conceptual precision on Open Wide is admirable—'all tracks written and produced...using only his mouth as a sound source.' But the album works because, while its concept is ultimately subservient to the overall composition, you can't imagine these tracks in quite the same manner without the particular tenor of Aju's mouth-noise."
-- Jon Dale





16. Quiet Village - Silent Movie
Quiet Village – Silent Movie
Quiet Village caused a bit of commotion amongst the disco beards with their long awaited full-length. Was it an album of edits? Or just a sample-based record? However you classify the material, there's no escaping Silent Movie's ability to transport your mind to the most tropical climes imaginable. If that isn't Balearic, then I don't know what is.
-- Richard Carnes




15. Ricardo Villalobos - Vasco
Ricardo Villalobos - Vasco
"The Spanish translation of Basque, Vasco refers to a people whose language bears absolutely no resemblance to its neighbors. Fittingly, Vasco is an album that lies in contrast with all that surrounds it. After the stark musings of Fabric 36, Villalobos is now crafting lengthy, enigmatic pieces that either vastly redefine 'house' or defy categorization altogether."
-- Will Lynch




14. Minilogue - Animals
Minilogue - Animals
"Animals is firmly progressive in form and length, recalling both drum & bass and '70s progressive rock at its most overblown. Yet their revisionism is subtle, keeping to a linear rhythmic template with frequently wonky analogue flourishes, familiar from 'Elephant's Parade.' If earlier tracks hinted at a trademark sound, here it becomes a firmly established one."
-- Joshua Meggitt




13. Ezekiel Honig - Surfaces of a Broken March Band
Ezekiel Honig - Surfaces of a Broken March Band
"Surfaces of a Broken Marching Band is a symphony transmitted from the bottom of the sea. Cold and murky, it's warmed by sudden currents and shifts of sediment from the ocean bed, kicking up brief flickers of light and sound that you notice whether or not you catch the disturbances that created them. There hasn't been a better 'ambient' album this year."
-- Derek Miller




12. Deadbeat - Roots & Wires
Deadbeat - Roots & Wires
"Roots and Wire succeeds because the different intensities and beat structures of each track offer an ebb and flow, bound together by a dub reggae spirit. More importantly perhaps, Monteith's refusal to aim for moody, vacuous postures aids in letting the whole thing breathe. In fact, being so good, the only complaint you'll have is that isn't a little bit longer."
-- Chris Mann




11. Prosumer & Murat Tepeli - Serenity
Prosumer & Murat Tepeli - Serenity
"It's no light thing to say that Serenity is a perfect partner for a musico-romantic involvement with Larry Heard's classic productions as Mr. Fingers. And it's no mean feat that the duo have managed to produce a collection of tracks and songs that not only echo but amplify and renew the passion that they draw their form and voice from."
-- Peter Chambers




10. Loco Dice - 7 Dunham Place
Loco Dice - 7 Dunham Place
"Besides the floor-fit swagger of 'Tight Laces,' Dunham Place trades pressing for peaceful, focusing on the momentary smear of all its parts over their sum. If there's an album from this year that's kissing-cousins with Dice's, not as much in sound but in the weight it places on attention to minutiae, it's Move D and Benjamin Brunn's Songs from the Beehive."
-- Derek Miller




09. Bruno Pronsato - Why Can't We Be Like Us?
Bruno Pronsato - Why Can't We Be Like Us?
"Why Can't We Be Like Us is like the unexpected fulfilment of a promise: unexpected because none of Bruno Pronsato's EPs so far had hinted at anything this good; and a fulfilment in the sense that he has spared nothing with this work—there is nothing missing, lacking, insufficient. All you other wannabes, you're on notice: the bar has just been raised."
-- Peter Chambers




08. Portishead - Third
Portishead - Third
"Third is so dense yet humanely touching, so diverse yet consistent, so remote yet profound, so vaguely cold yet keenly warm it goes beyond any generic conventions and expectations. Portishead doesn't do musical genre: it only does music. Nothing more, and nothing less. How often can you say that about any contemporary producers or so-called artists?"
-- Stéphane Girard




07. Lindstrøm - Where You Go I Go Too
Lindstrom - Where You Go I Go Too
"Even for cosmic, with its inherent tendency for hubris, Lindstrøm's ambition is dizzying. The three tracks on Where You Go clock in at 28:58, 10:11, and 15:58, allowing him to 'develop different themes and let them evolve.' But despite appearances, Lindstrøm doesn't stray too far from his comfort zone of melody-based music. And as it turns out, that's a good thing."
-- Daniel Bates




06. Lee Jones - Electronic Frank
Lee Jones - Electronic Frank
"What's surprising about Electronic Frank is how low-key it is: There are few obvious peaks. But hidden beneath the veil of subtlety, these tracks conceal a wealth of charms, new textures that unfold with every listen. Like the red-striped zebra on the cover, the album's songs are delicate confections, wonderfully crafted and hard to dislike."
-- Robin Wilks




05. The Mole - As High as the Sky
The Mole - As High as the Sky
"On first listen, one thing that's apparent is that The Mole bloody loves his live disco beats. Whether they're shuffling, skippy, looped up or just plain rolling, the sound of live drums is plastered over this record from start to finish, which makes it all the more shocking that As High as the Sky flows beautifully from track to track, each segue as measured and natural as the last."
-- Richard Carnes




04. Hercules & Love Affair - Hercules & Love Affair
Hercules & Love Affair - Hercules & Love Affair
"Rarely has an American dance music LP been so in touch with its oft-forgotten house and underground disco past while sounding so current. The admiration for genre luminaries Frankie Knuckles, Kevin Saunderson or even Morgan Geist is no mere redundancy, though: You can hear real and brilliant bedroom craftsmanship all over these ten cuts."
-- Stéphane Girard




03. Flying Lotus - Los Angeles
Flying Lotus - Los Angeles
"The cover of Flying Lotus's Los Angeles will remind most viewers of Massive Attack's Mezzanine. The image perfectly captures the complicated, compelling and otherworldly sound contained within. Steven Ellison's second full-length comes together from all directions at once, a beautiful mess of contradictions, sacred thoughts and visual sounds."
-- Chris Mann




02. Move D & Benjamin Brunn - Songs from the Beehive
Move D & Benjamin Brunn - Songs from the Beehive
"David Moufang's work as Move D is geometric. Benjamin Brunn's sound signature, meanwhile, is closer to fluid mechanics. Together these two approaches harmonise wonderfully, with Moufang's structures providing solid shapes for Brunn's melodic whirlpools and rhythmic glidings to unwind through: D builds the beehive, Brunn makes the honey."
-- Peter Chambers




Shed - Shedding the Past

01. Shed - Shedding the Past
"Shedding is an album that harkens back to its influences for the sake of progress rather than nostalgia. Over the course of these eleven tracks, Shed paints a stark landscape, glistening with steely hues of early techno and forming something sleek, jagged and as he puts it, 'full of energy and vigor.' Much like Berghain/Panorama Bar and its illustrious cast of resident DJs, Shed perpetuates the visceral excitement of old school rave by ceaselessly presenting the listener with something cryptic, physical and modern."





Top 20 Comps




20. Carl Craig – Sessions
Carl Craig - Sessions
"It's not as if we needed much of a reminder of Carl Craig's genius in 2008, but when faced with the totality of his range on Sessions, it's still a bit breathtaking. Craig can recast just about anything—The Junior Boys' synth pop, Rhythm & Sound's deep dub, Francesco Tristano's solo piano—and make it epic, danceable and totally new. Which, of course, shouldn't overshadow his original productions. Sessions' second disc was littered with them and reminded us of just how long it's been since the master has been at work. Perhaps in 2009 he could see fit to remind us of that too."
-- Terrence Fuller





19. Adam Beyer - Fuse Presents...
Adam Beyer - Fuse Presents...
"Unlike previous efforts, the emphasis for Beyer on Fuse is on the hypnotic repetition and the cleaner, intricate melodies of minimal and less on the dirtier electro hammer of the past. Beyer never gets weighed down in the intellectual pretensions of minimal, though. He sticks to his roots, driving straight for the more high-octane banging side, all without sacrificing the melodic complexities of the individual tracks. This is in fact where the genius of Beyer's mix lies: The prismic manner in which he burns the EQ spraying around the melodic and percussive accents is truly master class, even more so because of the high tempo he maintains."
-- Chris Mann





18. VA - Circoloco @ DC10 - 10 Years Anniversary
Various Artists - Circoloco @ DC10 - 10 Years Anniversary
"If its brief reopening for the rest of the '08 season was to be the last hurrah for DC-10, then this ten-year anniversary, six-disc behemoth of deep druggy house is even more essential. Those unfamiliar with the DC-10 sound will be bemused at how such "deep" music can enthrall over a two-hour set, let alone nearly nine. But those in the know understand it's all about stamina at DC-10: Beloved resident Tania Vulcano, Italo boy DJ Sossa, those Romanian upstarts Rhadoo, Petre Inspirescu and Raresh, the irrepressible Matthias Tanzmann and the sublime Thomas Melchior each have programmed a swirling subterranean soundtrack for a day in the dust."
-- Piero Ruzzene





17. Matthew Dear - Body Language Vol. 7
Matthew Dear - Body Language Vol. 7
"The core of Matthew Dear's entry into the Body Language series focuses on tracks that tease out controlled funkiness, congas, heavy breathing and the kind of innuendo-tainted vocals intent on clawing foreplay back onto supposedly sterile dance floors. Sascha Dive and Johnny D are on board for two tracks each, with the likes of Kid Sublime, Seth Troxler and others co-opting the habits of deep house along with some of the influences that first fed house music in the first place—a touch of diva here, a taste of polyrhythm there. In other words, a portrait of what made dance floors move in 2008."
-- Dimitri Nasrallah





16. Dave Clarke - Back in the Box
Dave Clarke - Back in the Box
"Back in the Box provides the ultimate tool for dance music history boffins with a collection of classic deep Chicago house and forthright acid weirdness, as well as a number of "uncategorizables." What is most intriguing about listening to this collection though, is that over time you begin to hear where modern genres like minimal techno and progressive house came from. "Give Yourself to Me" is a dead ringer for "Trompeta" by SIS, you could be fooled into believing that "In a Vision" was a John Digweed creation and "Mystery Girl," the best track of the lot, sounds like it's straight off Daft Punk's Homework."
-- Finlay John





15. Basic Channel - BCD-2
Basic Channel - BCD-2
"After keeping Basic Channel more or less in mothballs for the last decade or so (a couple of reissues of some related work for Planet E aside), suddenly, with no fanfare or even much notice, a second CD arrives. This time, however, the tracks are full-length versions arranged in chronological order and packaged in a simple black digipak with titles clear on front and the BC and Maurizio catalogs detailed in the center spread (the "buy vinyl!" message remains on the back). Maybe the years have softened Ernestus and Von Oswald, because this CD is about as definitive a label comp as one could fit on a single disc."
-- Todd Hutlock





14. Stefan Goldmann - The Transitory State
Stefan Goldmann - The Transitory State
"The first disc of The Transitory State is a collection of works released over the past three years, but the lack of novelties is made up for by the fact that, in sequence, this album sounds wonderful. Voices of the Dead—the second disc—inhabits an odd twilight world of static tones and electroacoustic hums; a kind of bare-bones ambient music. The scale of this project might seem pompous to some, but Goldmann comes out of it well—his ambition is justified by the quality of the music. And whatever you think of the second disc here, the first is doubtless one of the best house albums released this year."
-- Robin Wilks





13. Sascha Funke - Watergate 02
Sascha Funke - Watergate 02
"Where Onur Özer's Watergate 01 was a strictly minimal affair, Sascha Funke's working from a more broadly colored palette far more in line with his own Mango release earlier this year. Though he sifts older tracks like the clubfooted house of Maus & Stolle's "Taxi" and Closer Musik's broad-shouldered "Giganten" into Watergate 02, the mix centers around some of 2008's deft club and home standouts, a well-crafted sequence fit for house parties, lengthy autumn drives or just sweeping up around the home. Watergate 02 is child happy, melding emotive techno with some of the year's steamier cardiac fare."
-- Derek Miller





12. Wighnomy Brothers - Metawuffmischfelge
Wighnomy Brothers - Metawuffmischfelge
"Recorded from turntables, several of them, Metawuffmischfelge is a fine antidote to the Hawtin school of digital cleanliness. Over 30 tracks are thrown into this sixty minute session, and we're seldom presented with individual works. Indeed, the point seems to be to play numerous records simultaneously and continuously, to see what exotic cocktail emerges. The pace is languid, in a woozy deep house kind of way, and the effect of all this is like seeing double, dancing drunk: double kick drums beef up the lower end, hats compete to stay in time, basslines stagger and sway, fading in and out of view."
-- Joshua Meggitt





11. VA - Soundboy's Gravestone Gets Desecrated by Vandals
Various Artists - Soundboy's Gravestone Gets Desecrated by Vandals
Compilation and tombstone, Soundboy's Gravestone Gets Desecrated by Vandals collects (basically) the second-half of Skull Disco's output or—as I like to call it—when Shackleton and Appleblim got weird. While their first edition was assuredly strange, there seemed to be a formula to their Middle East-tinged dubstep. On Soundboy's Gravestone there seem to be no referents, something further put forward by their stunning slate of remixes on the second disc that move from dub to drone to somewhere else entirely. The only question that still lies unanswered for me? Where in the hell does these guys go from here?
-- Sam Louis





10. Andy Stott - Unknown Exception: Selected Tracks Vol. 1 (2004 - 2008)
Andy Stott - Unknown Exception: Selected Tracks Vol. 1 (2004 - 2008)
"Drawing inspiration from the usual dub techno suspects (Basic Channel is loud and clear) and fusing them with minimalist ideals and bathwater-warm melodies and textures, Stott's tracks offer a deep home listening experience, as well as the requisite punch to make club floors move. Stott works with consistent tones and a palette that never seems to get tired, Stott makes even his most dissimilar material sit comfortably together long enough to take a loving family portrait. Despite his pedigree, popularity and near-universal acclaim, Stott still holds somewhat of a low profile; Unknown Exception should raise it exponentially."
-- Todd Hutlock





09. Âme - Fabric 42
Âme - Fabric 42
"You might not associate the creators of 2005's ubiquitous milky way jam, "Rej," with musty old school funk and techno. But in creating Fabric 42, Âme's Kristian Beyer and Frank Widemann dug into their collection in an attempt to step out of their deep house shadow a bit. As such, perhaps more than any mix this year, Fabric 42 is reminiscent of The Mole's As High as the Sky. Murky and reverberant at once, Fabric 42 often seems refracted through a dense and cluttered space, one that resembles a museum storage hall as much as a dancefloor."
-- Derek Miller





08. Robert Hood - Fabric 39
Robert Hood - Fabric 39
"In its best moments, Fabric 39 is a summation of a particularly hardy and long-lived style of Detroit techno, the kind with fast pummeling beats, short loops and a punchy, urban feel. It doesn't want to gently seduce you into dancing, it wants to beat you into submission and then jiggle your limp limbs like a puppet on a string. Like his long-time collaborator Jeff Mills he treats records as tools and components to be reassembled into a new whole. It feels less like the tracks are being mixed together, and more like they're being hurled at the dancefloor in quick succession."
-- Jacob Wright





07. Gas - Nah und Fern
Gas - Nah und Fern
"When Arnold Schoenberg devised twelve-tone serialism in the 1920s, he claimed it would "ensure the supremacy of German music for the next hundred years." Similarly, Kompakt founder Wolfgang Voigt has always been about creating a distinctly German form of music, although this time not in opposition to atonal composition but to Anglo-American pop. The result has been twenty years of techno records defined by what Voigt has humorously described in the Wire as "boofta-boofta-boofta," and—under the name Gas—a collection of towering ambient work, a profound meditation on music and history. It's what Schoenberg would produce if he'd lived into the sampling age."
-- Joshua Meggitt





06. Luciano - Fabric 41
Luciano - Fabric 41
"When news went out that Luciano was signed on for the next Fabric installment, people began to wonder whether he'd take the Villalobos route. But while much has been made by hardcore Luciano-fans and live set collectors that Luciano's unveiled a pretty stale assembly here—based on tracks played out from his sets or including 'old' standard-bearer Cadenza cuts like "Albertino"—Fabric 41 will sound to most home-listeners, or the many simply not lucky enough to catch Luciano live, as an intricate, season-muggy mix CD from one of dance music's most dependable producers, one which deftly balances its quirks with its more instantaneous appeals."
-- Derek Miller





05. DJ /rupture - Uproot
DJ /rupture - Uproot
"If you want to understand DJ/rupture's music without hearing it, read his blog. Recent musings glanced Croatian hip-hop, Arabic classical, books by Polish journalists on Iranian history and talking Mattel dolls that may or may not endorse Islam. Rupture's mixes are similar. They play on the way sounds clash, not blend, but Uproot—one of the best mixes of the year in any genre—proves what his past mixes didn't imagine possible: when used well, a little restraint is more freeing than chaos. Rupture's eclecticism isn't defined by sonic opposites on Uproot, but his ability—and willingness—to reconcile them."
-- Mike Powell





04. Metro Area - Fabric 43
Metro Area - Fabric 43
"Metro Area's music is so basically tasteful that the beginning of Fabric 43 threw me off at first. Morgan Geist and Darshan Jesrani don't just get on the mike to introduce themselves and their mix: They narrate the proceedings. Geist: "Yeah, ladies, clap, clap! Clap, clap, clap, clap! The disco experience is all about the claps." When the hell did these guys turn into comedians, anyway? The answer, of course, is lighten up. Especially since the next hour-plus—which, rest assured, passes without anymore jokes from the DJs—is, like the best of Geist and Jesrani's music, as singular and direct as biting into an orange."
-- Michaelangelo Matos





03. Appleblim - Dubstep Allstars: Vol. 06
Appleblim - Dubstep Allstars: Vol. 06
"Dubtsep Allstars Volume 6 reveals that Appleblim is a DJ more interested in evolutions within the genre than playing to its biggest hitters. He insists on taking the listener on a deep and varied excursion, and he's not afraid of slowing things down or speeding them up to get the results he wants. It's worth listening to this mix alongside his RA podcast, which takes the journeyman's mentality in an entirely different direction. Between the two mixes, Appleblim has showcased, if anything, just how versatile dubstep has become in absorbing the music that surrounds it."
-- Dimitri Nasrallah





02. Efdemin - Carry On, Pretend We're Not in the Room
Efdemin - Carry On, Pretend We're Not in the Room
"The handsomely titled Carry On, Pretend We're Not in the Room is Efdemin's first mix CD proper and follows on from what his 2007 RA podcast promised, mining the vibe of both the ballsy Detroit strut of Eddie "Flashin" Fowlkes and the bump-and-grind of Minimal Man, wiggling much closer to Stacey Pullen than Sven Väth. Capturing the effortless sense of panorama that oozes from one of his sets, it's an astounding mix that takes you from the deep house of Patrice Scott to the tribal techno of Dettmann & Klock to Photek's barely-there, sci-fi house monster "T'Raenon." Educating, entertaining and essential."
-- Piero Ruzzene






Marcel Dettmann - Berghain 02

01. Marcel Dettmann - Berghain 02
"Berghain 02 is something of a definitive statement of where techno is at now, and where it is going. It's a purist vision to be sure, but it is by no means limited: T++'s excellent "Mo 1" is dubsteppish, "Warped Mind" by Shed is standout neo-Detroit, while the piano riffs and gradual undulations of Radio Slave's "Tantakatan" underscores the link between Berghain and Rekids' crossover hypnotism. In short, it's something of a guided tour of the most innovative and forward-thinking techno around. Chances are we'll look back at Berghain 02 as a defining moment when techno got out of that locked groove, and started moving forward again."
-- Chris Hobson




Top 15 Remixes



15. Dave Aju - Crazy Place (Luciano «Likuid» Remix)
Dave Aju - Crazy Place (Luciano «Likuid» Remix)
"Veering 180 degrees from Aju's spacious, laid-back original, Luciano's 'Likuid' mix opens with a cut-up voice and percussion wig-out before submitting to a murderous bass thump that drives the track. Layers of his trademark percussion keep things moving along until 5:30, when a hammering synth riff is introduced and, by the time the jazzy keyboard solo hits a few minutes later, I had to check my pants for wetness."
-- Todd Hutlock





14. Shackleton - Death Is Not Final (T++ Remix)
Shackleton - Death Is Not Final (T++ Remix)
"Whereas Sam Shackleton's original cut was like dubstep's Tibetan Book of the Dead, Monolake member T++ sets sail for more Stygian domains with his Necronomicon-like remix. The flickering snares suggest panic, whereas the fractured rhythms weigh heavily over the still, black drones like Charon's oars beating on the waters of Hades, as the cavernous ebbs and flows seem to take over your ears and soul."
-- Chris Mann





13. Sety - Mogane (Guillaume & The Coutu Dumonts Remix)
Sety - Mogane (Guillaume & The Coutu Dumonts Remix)
"Guillaume & The Coutu Dumonts take on 'Mogane' is a radical one, totally gutting the original and creating a boompty bouncer that owes as much to early acid house as it does to modern techno music. A pumping Chicago bassline grooves along to deep stabbing synths and hat-heavy percussion, and is sure to find favour with DJs straddling the line between deep house and more jacking fare."
-- Richard Carnes





12. Vladislav Delay - Recovery IDea (Andy Stott Remix)
Vladislav Delay - Recovery IDea (Andy Stott Remix)
"Modern Love's Andy Stott distils the thick atmosphere of Delay's original with his trademark metallic reductions and hi-hat/kick propulsion, and with a super smooth bassline adds swing and funk. The dark washes of the original now sit behind a sharp foreground that's dance floor friendly yet still deep and detailed enough for headphones. A wonderful combination of two very different, but complementary sound palettes."
-- Janet Leyton-Grant





11. Radio Slave - Grindhouse (Dubfire Terror Planet Remix)
Radio Slave - Grindhouse (Dubfire Terror Planet Remix)
"A desolate vision of armour-clad fiends marching across a techno landscape of relentless snares, hissing fissures of steam and acid-burn synths. An apocalyptic siren signifies the true beginning of the track and potentially the end of the world, while Danton Eeprom's ominous vocal creates an unassailable sense of impending metallic doom. Immense, formidable and not for the faint of heart."
-- Greg Sawyer





10. Kevin Saunderson feat. Inner City - Good Love (Luciano Remix)
Kevin Saunderson feat. Inner City - Good Love (Luciano's Good Love Remix)
"Luciano's take on Inner City's 'Good Love' works Paris Grey's vocals in layers over a stripped down groove that sizzles along over a lightly acidic one-note riff and chattering Cadenza-style percussion. Neatly summarizing Luciano's recent turn toward deeper house sounds, 'Good Love' fuses Saunderson's soulful techno with the Chilean School of Minimalism for one of the highlights of 2008, as well as the History Elevate series."
-- Todd Hutlock





09. Ane Brun - Headphone Silence
(Henrik Schwarz Remix / Dixon Edit)
Ane Brun - Headphone Silence (Henrik Schwarz Remix / Dixon Edit)
"Brun's vocals are delicate—seemingly ready to wither away as soon as they emerge from her mouth. Innervisions label head Dixon takes advantage in his edit of Schwarz's mix, drawing out the intro for 90 seconds before dropping the vocal. He maintains the languid pacing throughout, adding a kick drum here, the interlocking synth lines there and then ties it all up with a sedate string-laden breakdown."
-- Todd L. Burns





08. Mlle Caro & Franck Garcia - Dead Souls
(Radio Slave Long Distance Kiss Remix)
Mlle Caro & Franck Garcia - Dead Souls (Radio Slave Long Distance Kiss Remix)
"Mlle Caro and Franck Garcia's 'Dead Souls' was a rich and emotional pop-house track, but Radio Slave wanted his remix to take the song closer to its title's dead heart. Edwards doubles up the length, jacks up the kick drum, and strips away the jangled guitars to deliver a bleepy and hollow minimal marathon that voids any intonation in Caro and Garcia's voices, so that dead souls were themselves singing the lyrics."
-- Dimitri Nasrallah





07. TRG - Broken Heart (Martyn's DCM Remix)
TRG - Broken Heart (Martyn's DCM Remix)
"Martyn takes TRG's sombre but hard-edged original and turns it into a melancholic but hopeful garage cum dubstep beauty. The vocals have been detuned; they sit lower in the mix and build a wistful atmosphere over the Detroit-sounding pads, a broken beat-esque drum workout and a driving but warm bassline. The angry and painful post break-up heart of the original is in effect turned into the sexy and lustful yearning of unreciprocated love."
-- Karl Tryggvason





06. Sascha Dive - Deepest America (Moodymann Remix)
Sascha Dive - Deepest America (Moodymann Remix)
"Cynics might see Moodymann's remix of 'Deepest America' as Kenny Dixon Jr's statement on European house music. Riding along an infectiously percussive shuffle, countless sampled disco loops are layered around a yearning gospel vocal ('Music! Music! Ain't no soul no more!'), before a pulsating space-age arpeggio flies in out of nowhere to throb you into submission. It's quite a journey for a seven-minute house record—and one that's executed perfectly by Dixon."
-- Richard Carnes





05. Matias Aguayo - Minimal (DJ Koze Mix)
Matias Aguayo - Minimal (DJ Koze Mix)
"Focusing on the guitar lick, DJ Koze reimagines 'Minimal' as gently swelling disco reminiscent of Modjo's 'Lady.' This track has that 'iron fist in a velvet glove' thing going on—the sounds and style are smooth but with a restrained power and a constant escalation of tension that's likely to end up with people being surprised at how hard they've been dancing."
-- Jacob Wright





04. Sascha Funke - Mango Cookie (DJ Koze's Pink Moon Rmx)
Sascha Funke - Mango Cookie (DJ Koze's Pink Moon Rmx)
"DJ Koze's epic re-imagining of 'Mango' takes elements from a completely different song ('A Fortune Cookie Symphony'), house music (the unyielding kick that only takes 120 seconds to appear) and outer space (just about everything else). It's less remix than it is jumping-off point, as though Koze came into the studio and set out to forget everything he knew about dance floor dynamics. God bless him."
-- Todd L. Burns





03. Hercules & Love Affair - Blind (Frankie Knuckles Vocal)
Hercules & Love Affair - Blind (Frankie Knuckles Vocal)
"Promos of 'Blind' in its original form appeared early enough for it to feature in DJ sets last NYE. But Knuckles' utterly infectious, extended take took the record to an entirely new level, ensuring it became one of 2008's most enduring club anthems. Though incongruous initially, Antony Hegarty's soaring vocals, that nagging trumpet line and a bassline warm enough to double as a duvet all combine to devastating effect."
-- Dave Stenton





02. Sebbo - Watamu Beach (Moritz von Oswald Rework)
Sebbo - Watamu Beach (Moritz von Oswald Rework)
"I hate to say it, but it's embarrassing how much better the Moritz remix is compared to the original. Where the original sounds like a hurried attempt at a current trend, Oswald's has all the time in the world. Like an exercise in deep, meditative breathing, it unfolds into as much space as it needs, holds it for as long as it wants and then lets it go in a wonderful ambient fade-out."
-- Peter Chambers






Ricardo Villalobos - Minimoonstar (Shackleton Remix)

01. Ricardo Villalobos - Minimoonstar (Shackleton Remix)
"Shackleton's beats are (relatively speaking) very straight sounding, even though they're made from popping hand claps under heavy flanges and what could well be a pair of large, metallic scissors positioned in disturbing proximity to your head/phone/cable. Beneath all these clippy snippets, however, is a gentle kick that marks time until a softer four-to-floor comes in, sending it all forward into… Doom? Bliss? Something between the two. With this returned favour and Ricardo's previous mix for Shackleton, the duo have managed to elevate 'dance music' into something strange, unsettling, startling, and wonderful."
-- Peter Chambers

  

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56. "Can anyone vouch on that Wighnomy Brothers mix on there?"
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I've really liked what I've heard from them, but it's only been a few songs.

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42. "Yeah I'm Into EDM But Not Much Of The Experimental Stuff"
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I pretty much like stuff with a standard 4/4 beat or amibient but when it starts to get all crazy like glitch-core and whatnot that's where I draw the line.

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45. "RE: Yeah I'm Into EDM But Not Much Of The Experimental Stuff"
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I'm just into Electronic music as a whole. All of it. I know what you are talking about with House and whatnot, I just prefer IDM over most things when I think of my favorite type of music.

  

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47. "you're lame!!!! lol"
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4/4 is for faggots


lol j/k

  

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46. "four tet, the books, tycho, e*vax/ratatat, squarepusher, jan jelinek, pr..."
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prefuse73, daedelus, dosh, dntel/james figurine, boards of canada and caribou are among some of my favorites

lol

of course thats more on the mellow side of the electronic front

i'm also into the synth heavy electro shit as well

  

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50. "RE: four tet, the books, tycho, e*vax/ratatat, squarepusher, jan jelinek..."
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I know alll those except for jan jelinek. Can you describe him by comparing him to other more well-known artists of the genre?

  

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70. "comparing him to others is disservice to him"
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but his style is along the lines of manipulating fragments of vintage jazz records and creating new arrangements.

for the best example of this listen to his album "loop-finding-jazz-records"

  

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No, but I did talk to him before via email. I wrote a story based on Doll Doll Doll and he contacted me asking to read it.

  

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154. "Listening to Last Step 1961 right now"
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Very different than VS stuff. Well not *very* different, but definitely different. It's like a completely different side of the same coin.
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52. "inpulse i hate you so"
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no actually i am very grateful for your list posting, it's just so much!...thanks tho

i like this post

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55. "Heh, heh. Yeah, sorry."
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I usually hate it when folks do that crazy list posting, too.

I'm gonna probably make a Word Doc out of it and save it to catch up on in '09.

  

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53. "i like EDM. that bleep/bloop 8 bit shit is a bit much though"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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59. "been into electronic shit since my first Orbital cassette in 1993"
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been DJing for over a decade now on radio and in bars/clubs (started with DnB/jungle, but play a mash of styles these days) and spent four years in the UK too, DJing at a bunch of spots over there.. a mix of human (hiphop, reggae) and instrumental electronic shit of various bpm's.

i don't follow the really chin-stroking stuff too much these days-- i had my share of that in the late 90s/early 00s (i was pretty much a Ninjatune street-teamer when i first started posting here 8 years back, if anyone remembers ignoring me then)... plus there's too many bedroom producers making too much bleepy sameness today, too. (aka the "I just downloaded Ableton and Reason and now I'm Richard D James because I smoke too much weed and can't make anything with a bit of funk to it" crew)

i still seek out the occasional snippet, but not fanatically. Plus I only listen to vinyl at home, and most of the recent obscure stuff doesn't go anywhere near that format

having said that, apart from the dancefloor electro/breaks stuff, there's one new downtempo artist i've been diggin this year, and that's the weird ginger warrior known as Binster.

http://www.abandonedsheep.com/

^^ scroll down on the right to listen. 'Elegant, Deadly, Precise' and 'Abandoned Petrol Station' are my favourites, but there's some beauty on there for sure

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60. "RE: been into electronic shit since my first Orbital cassette in 1993"
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good info n this post thanks

  

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87. "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!"
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>plus there's too many bedroom producers making too
>much bleepy sameness today, too. (aka the "I just downloaded
>Ableton and Reason and now I'm Richard D James because I
>smoke too much weed and can't make anything with a bit of funk
>to it" crew)

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94. "shots fired"
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61. "*bookmarked*"
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thanks fam.
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62. "RE: *bookmarked*"
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It figures that of all places Okayplayer ends up being the best place to talk about this sort of music without everyone getting all elitist and shit

  

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63. "Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?"
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I'd been seeing it sit at the #1 rated AOTY on Metacritic, until Amadou & Miriam came out. It finished out the year at #2. Generally, it's not too often that an electronic album does that well on Metacritic.

So I'm thinking it's time I looked into it. Anyone else heard it?

  

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64. "RE: Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?"
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>until Amadou & Miriam came out.

who dat


>Generally, it's not too often that an electronic album
>does that well on Metacritic.

didn't the field's album do pretty well last year on metacritic?


>So I'm thinking it's time I looked into it. Anyone else heard
>it?

i'm going to have to now after reading the above press. it got good buzz all year (everywhere but here, where there wasn't a single mention of it that i can recall). i liked the bug's previous album on rephlex.

btw, i have more info on that previous inbox message you sent me, if you're interested.

  

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65. "RE: Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?"
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>>until Amadou & Miriam came out.
>
>who dat
>

Malian group. They're dope, but I'm really surprised at how well they have been doing the past few years. Manu Chao produced their last record, which was really good. Haven't heard the new one. I hate to be a cynic, but they do have a nice little backstory that I'm sure helps. They are both blind, and fell in love at a school for the blind, and got married. Not that that is the secret to their success, but I'm sure it gets people's attention.


>
>>Generally, it's not too often that an electronic album
>>does that well on Metacritic.
>
>didn't the field's album do pretty well last year on
>metacritic?
>


That was one exception I thought of, too. I think Burial did also. Ratatat maybe? I'm sure there have been others as well. But generally speaking, electronic doesn't get much coverage on Metacritic. Seems like it's gotta be a crossover artist for them to take note.



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>>So I'm thinking it's time I looked into it. Anyone else
>heard
>>it?
>
>i'm going to have to now after reading the above press. it got
>good buzz all year (everywhere but here, where there wasn't a
>single mention of it that i can recall). i liked the bug's
>previous album on rephlex.



Yeah, it's probably gotten more press than any other non-mainstream electronic album this year. And I'm kinda disappointed in myself that I haven't checked it out yet. I'm losing my edge. (c) LCD



>
>btw, i have more info on that previous inbox message you sent
>me, if you're interested.


I inboxed you back a few minutes before you posted this...

  

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66. "RE: Anyone heard 'London Zoo' by The Bug?"
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>I hate to be a cynic, but they do have a
>nice little backstory that I'm sure helps. They are both
>blind, and fell in love at a school for the blind, and got
>married. Not that that is the secret to their success, but
>I'm sure it gets people's attention.

oh, that rings a bell. i haven't heard their music, but i remember reading something about them.

  

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67. "what da bloodclat"
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This shit bangs! It sounds really good so far.

(and yeah, before you jump on me, I d/led it. I'm trying before I'm buying.)

dalecooper, if you come across this post, you should check this out.

  

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68. "i'm surprised Ekkehard Ehlers' name didn't appear in this discussion"
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he's definitely one of the truly experimental electronic artists

  

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69. "put us on"
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there are so many artists to be discussed within this very broad genre or style of music so the omission or inclusion of any name doesn't surprise me. (correction: i've heard some of his music but could be more familiar with his repertoire). it's nice to be able to talk about someone other than justice, flying lotus, or burial for once.

  

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76. "he's definitely forward thinking"
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and has a great sense of composition

his album "plays" is a great starting point to get a feel for his brilliance.

it basically offers abstract musical interpretations of artist that inspire him or his 'aesthetic' heroes as he'd put it. i'd definitely recommend it if you are a fan of experimental jazz.

keep in mind that there are no drums on the album outside of the last track! lol

  

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79. "RE: he's definitely forward thinking"
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i will give it a listen, thanks.


>it basically offers abstract musical interpretations of artist
>that inspire him or his 'aesthetic' heroes as he'd put it. i'd
>definitely recommend it if you are a fan of experimental
>jazz.

that and your previous replies reminds me that before listening to him i thought i'd like jan jelinek more than i currently do. he was very well regarded at one of my aforementioned previous haunts, but the two albums i heard (http://www.discogs.com/release/196562 and the one you mentioned, http://www.discogs.com/release/5681) didn't fully connect with me. i should spend more time with the latter one, but the former i knew wasn't really for me. sometimes i don't like when electronic music artists sound too much like another genre, even if they've always been that way. that's my problem, getting over genre names and placements.

  

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80. "yeah... i'm never one to slap genres on music for that very reason"
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but definitely spend more time with loop-finding-jazz-records

i do agree that the triosik meets jan album isn't for everyone. same with the new four tet and steve reid project.

do you have any recommendations for me?

i've only been following this type of music for two years or so, so i'm always looking for albums i may have missed.

  

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82. "RE: yeah... i'm never one to slap genres on music for that very reason"
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nothing comes to mind as far as jazzy electronic music that you might like but don't know about. that's usually an area where i'm the one asking for a little help.

  

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84. "word, i'm not just a mellow head though. i enjoy intense paces as well."
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thats why i like squarepusher so much. he tends to bridge the gap effortlessly. i was disappointed with just a souvenir outside of "star time 2" but i'm going to give it another chance. i think i was listening to it in the wrong setting.

  

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85. "RE: word, i'm not just a mellow head though. i enjoy intense paces as we..."
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>thats why i like squarepusher so much. he tends to bridge the
>gap effortlessly. i was disappointed with just a souvenir
>outside of "star time 2" but i'm going to give it another
>chance. i think i was listening to it in the wrong setting.

i'm kind of afraid to listen because i like every squarepusher album, but 'hello everything' struck me as tom running low on ideas and the feedback i've read for this new one has not been good at all.

so since you like him, have you also listened to jega and venetian snares? they're not new artists by any stretch, just came out a few years later than him and took some elements from him and others and expanded on them with their own styles. venetian snares' music, if you don't already know, is much more aggressive and intense.

  

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86. "extremely aggressive."
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>>venetian snares' music, if you don't already know, is
>much more aggressive and intense.

  

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83. "loop-finding-jazz-records was cool as hell"
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>but definitely spend more time with
>loop-finding-jazz-records

"Do Dekor" is on my list of songs where if I go out in space or on some deep underwater trip I gotta play it.........you know, to see if it'll be as amazing as I think it'll be to hear it in that environment lol.


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132. "RE: yeah... i'm never one to slap genres on music for that very reason"
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>i do agree that the triosik meets jan album isn't for
>everyone. same with the new four tet and steve reid project.

right you are. i'm nearly finished listening to 'NYC,' and it's enjoyable but not something i'd buy. in fact, i'm going to delete it, simply because it isn't something i'm truly into even though i was glad to hear it.

  

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133. "have you heard "happiness" by fridge?"
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134. "just 2 tracks from it"
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78. "any of you guys check boomkat? they usually are on point with..."
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recommendations.

  

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81. "sometimes..."
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Usually I'll be looking for corroborative info on a release and boomkat usually has some info ---and then I'll notice they have a good listing of current/new releases and end up skimming through those for awhile. I haven't ever ordered from them, due to being european and wanting to find a cheaper domestic source.

I also kind of like the Forced Exposure new listings.

  

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88. "UrBan Ge3k aka Mu$Sak?"
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Digging this track, though its kind of anonymous sounding. But there's something about it.

http://www.yesyesyall.org/index.php?id=397
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117. "sounds like dozens of tracks i've heard before"
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totally anonymous to me

  

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91. "I've been working out to random electronic mixes for the past 5 yrs."
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nm

<<Mood...Poppy Okotcha in Look 1 at Ashish Fall 2016
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa7KBq0q5bU

  

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92. "what's random about them?"
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93. "LoL, after 5 yrs I shoulda been familiar tho."
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But to answer your question, the "tempo" (is that even the right word??) changes rapidly w/out a buildup. It's a strange juxtaposition of my structured workout routine & what sounds to me like a beautiful chaos/noises...but it works for me

<<Mood...Poppy Okotcha in Look 1 at Ashish Fall 2016
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95. "Autechre - Quaristice"
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Meh, I was debating on posting this, but what the hell:


http://www.dronemachine.com/Klaus/Quaristice%20Guide.txt

incomplete guide to Quaristice and all its versions

  

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96. "*bows down*"
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I've only gotten to the first break down and hand it to you. I'll be back with more.
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97. "Okay actually that is even less incomplete, I'll just post the full of i..."
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I. Introduction
II. 90101-5l-l
A. Analysis
B. Conclusion
III. Altibzz
IV. Chenc9
A. Analysis
B. Conclusion
V. Fol3
VI. Notwo
A. Analysis
B. Conclusion
VII. Perlence


xx. Final Note

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I. Introduction |
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Andrew's Guide To Quaristice:

Quaristice: The original, 20-track'd album.
Quaristice (Versions): The disc bundled with the Special Edition, that was itself limited to 1,000 copies.
Quaristice.Quadrange.ep.ae: The bleep-exclusive digital album. Combines all 4 of the digital exclusive EPs.

If you were to load up all the tracks from those three albums inside a program like Winamp, then align them alphabetically, you realize something. Not counting Japanese bonus tracks, there are 44 tracks for Quaristice. Also, the total track time comes to (on mine: 4:50:27) just under five hours. Autechre has mentioned their love for different versions of their favorite singles, not really better or worse than the original, but just the variety and the options. When you come to the conclusion that Quaristice is, in-fact, whatever you as a hardcore AE fan wants it to be (as in, your personal playlist), that's when you realize that this release is something else entirely.

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II. 90101-5l-l |
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Let's start with 90101-5l-l, the first track listed alphabetically in our 44-track'd-combination-Quaristice-playlist. Let's look at how many versions we have of this track.

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A. Analysis |
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Quaristice:
90101-5l-l: The original, one of the shortest, the most varied and in my opinion the best.

Versions:
90101-61-01: A bit more beatless, more chilled out, you can hear the beat from the original, but it's more or less an entirely different track (though all too familiar at the same time).

Quadrange:
90101-51-6: A bit in-between the more relaxing variation found on Versions, and the more "upbeat" original track on Quaristice. To me, this seems like it was for people who love Autechre's style of repetition. Has an Acid and Minimalistic vibe to it.
9013-2: When you really listen to the melody here, this serves as a prelude for the original track ("90101-5l-l"). By itself, it is mildly interesting but nothing special when compared to the tracks listed above. I would like to point out though that it _definitely_ feels like it is connected to all these surrounding variations.
90101-51-19: The longest out of all the "901" variations, and the most repetitive. Yet during all the repetition, you always are hearing something very subtle and new in the background and it rewards you if you are really paying attention (much like a lot of Minimal music). It is also the most similar to prior albums like Confield and Draft 7.30, where the track evolves over time, particularly towards the end.
9010171-121: Using a rather simple loop at first and combining the traditional, complex Autechre fanfare until said fanfare consumes the song entirely, this "version" is completely fucking awesome. The thing is though, is a track that, upon an overall glance, does not have anything to do with "90101-5l-l".

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The original track on Quaristice is the best out of all the versions, to me anyways. Those seeking the Autechre found on the prior albums (at least Confield through Untilted) should look to "90101-51-6" and particularly "90101-51-19". If you would like to spice up your original Quaristice playlist a bit, you should definitely consider incorporating "9010171-121" somewhere in the mix, and perhaps putting "9013-2" before the original to make it have a bit better flow as an album.

Before I continue onwards, it is obvious that Autechre didn't just go batshit insane on Quaristice with it's releases, they really wanted to give you all the different sides Quaristice could have, so for fans of their immediate prior albums, you'll have tracks that evolve over time. For those who loved Amber and Incunabula, you even saw that little prelude track. For those who love this new direction they took Quaristice, you even have another track just like it ("9010171-121"). Let's move onto our next variation:

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III. Altibzz |
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There were no versions of Altibzz featured on Quadrange, but there was one on "Versions".

Quaristice:
Altibzz: Altibzz was the beautiful, Ambient opening for Quaristice and seems like a direct nod to Autechre's past as they begin to embrace yet another evolution in their output. It feels like an absolutely perfect track, so why _not_ allow us a chance to hear what an alternative could sound like for all those who want more?

Versions:
Altichyre: Similar to the original only in the sense that the melodies sound vaguely similar. This sounds just as relaxing as Altibzz, but with a very sinister feeling to it. I personally feel the original was "better" as an opening, though this could have _easily_ sufficed. The atmosphere feels like not so much a nod to their past as it is walking away from it. (also: the track title itself seems like a different way to pronounce "Aw-tek-er"

Conclusion:
Both are lovely tracks. While the first has this more nostalgic feeling about it that makes it better suited as the opening track, these are easily interchangable.

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IV. Chenc9 |
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Bnc Castl does not actually feature any variations...unless you got the Digital Exclusive EP which has "Blyz Castl", which I have not listened to. If you are interested in this variation, see my "Final Note" below. Anyways, there are two additional versions of "Chenc9", one of Versions and one on Quadrange.

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Quaristice:
Chenc9: For being just shy under 5 minutes, this track changes up quite a bit. The thing I loved most about Quaristice was how it always seemed to incorporate incredibly Ambient music with what appears to be the most experimental Autechre has ever been, and it is no exception here. Seems to feel a bit like video-game music on a hardcore drug of some sort, until the middle or so when you come down from said drug (or whatever it sounds like to you).

Versions:
Chenc9-x: The most direct variation we've encountered so far, this track starts off exactly the same as "Chenc9". To me this track is _very_ cool and definitely could have been directly interchangable with the original, had the rest of the album been tracks that were this length in particular. This version to me starts out energetic (like the original) but eventually feels like music that is losing hope or faith in itself and over a rather long process, starts slowly driting off into a glitchy and distorted death. Very awesome listen in general.

Quadrange:
Chenc9-1dub: Definitely a very strange take on the original, shorter and in general more attention-grabbing. To me the complexity of this particular track is one of the reasons this guide is so damn hard to write: It's hard to describe what feels indescribable! Far more melodic towards the end, but in a rather anxious sounding way. In comparison to the two tracks above, which start out very lively then sorta calm down in the second half, this starts out calm (but crazy) and becomes even calmer upon it's closing.

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The two versions were very interesting and great listens, and all very different. It is now when you'll realize that either one of these tracks could have been on the original album, and these songs are all equal in terms of their quality and should be interchangable depending on your personal preference. This is what Autechre was trying to do: Somehow make the album customizable. Another thought: The original, bleep-exclusive album had 20-individual track arts, and I imagine that Autechre might have been thinking "Let them pick which album art they feel best represents this album!""

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Quaristice:
Fol3: This track was always the one track on Quaristice that I didn't really get. Either because it is just Avant-Garde/Noise/Electronic fuckery, or because maybe it just simply isn't very good in comparison due to the utter lack of melody. This basically one of if not the most Avant-Garde-sounding track Autechre ever made. It has a lot of detailed things which are happening amongst what seems like a vaccum sucking in a paper being folded or something of the sort, but it might not matter if you are not liking the initial premise.

Versions:
Fol4: You know what's cool about this track, is if you are playing "Fol3" and then have your next track be "Fol4", they transition perfectly (as if they were always supposed to be played togther). This is significant for a few reasons, because after listening to Fol4 you realize that Fol3 was simply an introduction/build-up to this track which unfolds quite amazingly. You realize that this is a track that needs a bit of time before you completely can wrap your head around the genius of the track.

Conclusion:
"Fol4" is the superior track, I believe, between the two "Fol#" tracks, but frankly and if anything, they are meant to be heard together. The track itself (Fol4) is just what would have happened if you continued to evolve "Fol3", and honestly what this proves to me is that Quaristice was not meant to be listened to as a conventional album, but as your own customized playlist.

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Despite "FwzE" being a great little track, it has no variations on either Versions or Quadrange. "IO", does, however. One variation, which appears on Versions.

Quaristice:
IO: "IO" was quite the entertaining track. Featuring vocals and what might just be lyrics distorted beyond all recognizability before breaking down into absolute insanity mid-way through, it was definitely one of the more memorable songs from Quaristice, particularly because it came in the beginning. Simply because the track does contain lyrics, it is interesting to think what a different version might sound like.

Versions:
IO (Mons): This track is honestly rather disappointing in terms of expecting it to evolve into something mind-blowing like so many other, longer Autechre songs. The first half is more or less the exact same track as "IO", and the later half the only thing that really feels like it is changing are the distorted vocals becoming harder and harder to even tell what they are. That's pretty cool, I guess, but for the majority of the second half it seems to be repeating the same few instrumentals, perhaps to shift your focus on the changing vocals?

Conclusion: After listening to "IO (Mons", you realize that "IO" is perfect as it is. You also begin to realize how complex and well-made the entire Quaristice selection can be, through comparison.

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VI. Notwo |
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Notwo is the 19th track on the original album, and the second track which re-visits Autechre at their early stages, as it has a more Ambient appeal about it.

Quaristice:
Notwo: Notwo is an incredibly sinister sounding Ambient track which once again reminds you of albums like Amber...say wait a minute...what else was sinister sounding that we heard already? That's right, the variation on Altibzz, "Altichyre". Hmmm...perhaps those two tracks are designed to be heard together? Regardless, the track seemingly contradicts itself, because it feels incredibly uneasy and anxious, but at the same time you'll find yourself incredibly relaxed as it plays.

Versions:
Nofour: "Lustmord" is the first thing that pops into my head as this track plays. Tracks like Notwo, Altibzz, Nofour and Altichyre make me wonder what a full-blown Ambient album would be like from the new Autechre. This is an incredibly jarring Ambient track (even though there is not much happening, that is kinda the point), but originally this track's purpose was to be the closing for the actual "Versions", disc. The ending bits of the track consist of a gap of silence and what seems to be something similar to static, so as a full track to be put into a playlist, it will not work very well.

Quadrange:
Notwotwo: Is Autechre confused on what to name their track? "No two!" "Wait, No Four!" "Wait, No Two, TWO!" Anyways, while "Nofour" is a completely different track from Notwo (though it's still Ambient/dark-sounding), Notwotwo is a direct extension of the original "Notwo", in fact around 5:25 there is a period of silence (very close to the original track length) and the track continues into something else entirely. Keeping the original melody of "Notwo", it adds in what sounds like layers of additional audio to answer the question "I wonder what "Notwo" would've sounded like had it continued?"

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"Notwo" is perfect the way it is, really, but for those looking for an extension and further Ambient bliss, do not delay on checking out "Notwotwo". "Nofour" is rather amazing in it's first half, but due to the fact that it was a track for the end of Quaristice (Versions), it does not work in the manner of a track for a playlist.

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VII. Perlence |
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There are no versions of "Outh9X" or "Paralel Suns", though there are seven versions of one of the coolest tracks on Quaristice, one stretching to nearly an hour.

Quaristice:
Perlence: As I said, I always considered Perlence to be one of the coolest tracks on Quaristice and the way it seems to be build up only to go into an audio-like seizure just blows my mind every time (that was the best description I could make for it). Autechre obviously loved this track as well, and took it quite a few ways. Let's look at them, shall we?



Final note:
There was also a Digital Exclusive EP released on the Japanese iTunes store in 128kbp/s, though being that most people do not prefer digital music below 192kbp/s, we are going to ignore this release (one of the biggest reasons hardcore music fans don't take iTunes seriously). It was three tracks, the tracks being:
Tracklisting:
1 IO (mons) (7:40)
2 90101-51-4 (7:40)
3 Blyz Castl (5:36)

If you are curious enough, I'm sure it's on P2P somewhere.

  

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99. "I liked 'Quaristice' earlier in the year"
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but when I went back and relisten in November, I wasn't that moved. I still feel like Autechre is just making music for themselves, rather than the listener. But, of course, 'Quaristice' isn't as bad as some of the albums preceeding it in that manner.

  

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100. "Clark's 'Turning Dragon' was the slept on Warp release this year"
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I haven't heard anyone say much at all about this album. It was the second best thing I think Warp released this year, after LA.

Of course, this makes me wonder, how much DID Warp put out?

  

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101. "RE: Clark's 'Turning Dragon' was the slept on Warp release this year"
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In the right places, Turning Dragon definitely got some props. It got more talk than nearly anything put out by any of the "IDM Superstars".

Mainly because it was really good.

  

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102. "more than Autechre or Flying Lotus? ehhhh, I don't think so."
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103. "Electronica is for gay people."
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104. "could dubstep be called idm-lite?"
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105. "188"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=17&topic_id=76834&mesg_id=76834&page=5#77028

  

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106. ":)"
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i was listening to the benga afro-warrior joint. not horrid, but i kept waiting for it to go somewhere. it never did. i can't listen to the whole burial album in one sitting. and while i frequently hear some tracks i like, i doubt any of them could make an album worth of material interesting. i imagine though it could work very well in a gap or banana republic. after fifteen minutes of browsing bobbing your head you realize okay i need to buy something and get out of here.
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107. "RE: :)"
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>i was listening to the benga afro-warrior joint. not horrid,
>but i kept waiting for it to go somewhere. it never did. i
>can't listen to the whole burial album in one sitting.

right, that's the thing w/ dubstep artists (and "wonky" artists with their beat tape faux albums and 12"s/EPs), whereas most of the people in this thread can name dozens of classic "IDM" albums, even if they're not as cool to namedrop anymore.


>and
>while i frequently hear some tracks i like

or things to like in tracks

  

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108. "RE: :)"
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What's weird for me is that Untrue is definitely my favorite album of 2007, or one of, and I listen to it over and over again.

But I seriously can't stand most dubstep.

Edit: And by most I mean everything that isn't Burial - Untrue.

  

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109. "buried in another thread i hinted at the geneology of wonk"
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as coined by p*******k being the descendant of dubstep and grime in a threesome with dilla.

los angeles right now being the wonk opus. cohesive for sure but, it seems to have taken the donut tracklength and applied it to dubstep (i honestly don't know grime when i hear it to identify its influence). all that to say if i had a critique of LA it would be that FlyLo doesn't see any thought through, but takes it to a peak (of sorts) then changes it up so as to not have to resolve it.

resolution is actually something hip-hop has always had issue with, but in this context its exceptionally noticable (as it is with donuts). yet imho its a great improvement from the ongoing plateau stylings of dubstep.
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114. "lately i've been thinking..."
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>as coined by p*******k being the descendant of dubstep and
>grime in a threesome with dilla.

...that the wonky style has more in common w/ rza than it does dilla; i mean, rza was the first dude's drums that had that drunk swing to 'em, and the era of the madlib/dilla work that people seem to be drawing their inspiration from has its roots in rza's magnum opuseses

speaking of madlib, he never gets a mention as an inspiration of fly lo's; his drum tracks rhythmically also always displayed the carefree approach that is a wonky staple (but some of these dudes actually just dont know how to program drums on time, it just so happens that sounding like you laid your drums down in your sleep is the in thing now)

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121. "RE: buried in another thread i hinted at the geneology of wonk"
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>i honestly don't know grime when i hear it to
>identify its influence


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1950577&mesg_id=1950577&page=

  

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110. "RE: :)"
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>What's weird for me is that Untrue is definitely my favorite
>album of 2007, or one of, and I listen to it over and over
>again.
>
>But I seriously can't stand most dubstep.
>
>Edit: And by most I mean everything that isn't Burial -
>Untrue.

the funny thing is that i've read comments from bigger dubstep fans than me that say that burial isn't even really dubstep, which might explain why we IDM people like him more than skream, benga, kode9, etc. another faux/semi-dubstep artist i love is various.

  

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111. "As far as great electronic albums from 2008..."
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...I wanted to mention Alex Moulton's album Exodus. It's always really hard for me to think of great albums from the preceding year, especially since my listening habits are determined more by whim than what's new, but this was a very good album and jumps to my mind immediately.

Briefly, it's presented like an imaginary sci-fi soundtrack, but even divorced from that knowledge it's still extremely enjoyable ---very reminiscent of some of the great classic electronic/dance artists from the late 1970s and early '80s, thinking of Vangelis, Cerrone, and Moroder in particular. Even with the obvious retro influences, it's more substantial than a simple throwback exercise would be. More of a fulfillment of those influences than just an imitation, if that makes sense. Better listening as an album than as individual tracks due to recurring musical themes, etc.

Anyways, really recommended. Good album for music fans in general, not just dance/electronic....

  

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112. "not feelin' it just yet"
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this sounds halfway between disco dj and amplifya/BrooklynWHAT

  

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113. "i like it"
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i don't love it (the homage to those '70s/early '80s film scores is a bit much, and i've really grown to dislike the electro sound that is all the rage right now, and this album basically combines the very old with the very new), but it deserves a revisit... thanks for the recommendation.

  

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118. "RE: i like it"
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yeah, it is perhaps not 'experimental,' but since this topic went into some catch-all directions I thought I would mention it. I'm a little surprised it hasn't gotten more attention; it seems like it would appeal to a wider base.

Are you not into the classic dance music as much? It is something I have wondered about lately, not you specifically, but in general to what extent fans of modern electronic dance are into some of the earliest examples/influences as far as disco, italo, etc., or if the divide between the styles is too great.

It is also interesting to me that the "hipster community" (for lack of a better word) seems to have developed an interest in late '70s/early '80s dance. I associate that world with always having a certain interest in retro material, but I wonder if the retro interest also progresses chronologically and if, in eight-to-ten years, we will begin to see a heightened re-interest in early house/techno as this community moves "forward" in their nostalgia?

>i don't love it (the homage to those '70s/early '80s film
>scores is a bit much, and i've really grown to dislike the
>electro sound that is all the rage right now, and this album
>basically combines the very old with the very new), but it
>deserves a revisit... thanks for the recommendation.

  

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120. "RE: i like it"
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>Are you not into the classic dance music as much?

i grew up listening to orbital and moby albums, the crystal method's 'vegas,' and singles and misc. tracks by underworld, the prodigy, the chemical brothers, fatboy slim, etc. when i got in my late teens and early 20s i started looking back toward artists and tracks that inspired the "experimental" electronic artists i'm admittedly more into than the "dance" artists, i.e., '80s house and techno and '90s acid, rave, and jungle. i've always liked drum 'n' bass in moderation, and there are a small handful of early '00s electroclash artists and albums i'll vouch for as well (pretty much the ladytron and goldfrapp discographies). i can appreciate all of this stuff more than i can appreciate the latter day electro movement, which just doesn't mesh well with my personality. that kinda music is more for the ra-ra type A extroverts. so yeah in general i'm more into the "home listening"/"armchair techno" variety of electronic music, but it wouldn't be accurate at all to say i'm not also into classic dance music.


>It is
>something I have wondered about lately, not you specifically,
>but in general to what extent fans of modern electronic dance
>are into some of the earliest examples/influences as far as
>disco, italo, etc., or if the divide between the styles is too
>great.

i know what you mean. it's no mystery or surprise that disco dj and people of his ilk (house and classic techno lovers/dj's/artists) are absent from this post, and although i can see his point to an extent i still object to the subtext behind his request in another topic to make "electronic music" and "dance music" two distinct and separate genres a la rock/jazz/hip-hop.


>It is also interesting to me that the "hipster community" (for
>lack of a better word) seems to have developed an interest in
>late '70s/early '80s dance. I associate that world with
>always having a certain interest in retro material, but I
>wonder if the retro interest also progresses chronologically
>and if, in eight-to-ten years, we will begin to see a
>heightened re-interest in early house/techno as this community
>moves "forward" in their nostalgia?

absolutely, and you see that already with UK sensations like the klaxons and others who harken back to early '90s rave culture and music, but i think generally it's kids who dictate and guide these trends of the moment and interest is typically in music from the years they weren't old enough to have any memory of the music or even years before they were born, in this case "borrowed nostalgia for the unremembered '80s" (c) lcd soundsystem.

  

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122. "you really hit it on the head here:"
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>that kinda music is more for the ra-ra type A extroverts.

It is crazy the extent that being an extrovert or an introvert may affect even taste. Extroverts are more likely to find certain introverted behaviors offensive and vice versa. So it's a really interesting thread in the history of dance music that this art which owes its history and function to social gatherings may be taken and redefined by introverts into something less social but that still bears certain hallmarks of that culture. That's not an absolute summation, but certainly part of it. It's an inevitable evolution in the sense that, as dance music became packaged for home consumption it will be more likely to reach people that aren't at the clubs, but interesting, too, that this music should have appealed enough to people at home to make that transition. From another angle, reading about situations like David Mancuso's Loft, I wonder if there isn't an outsider mentality embedded in dance music that is able to find its audience when necessary.

>i know what you mean. it's no mystery or surprise that disco
>dj and people of his ilk (house and classic techno
>lovers/dj's/artists) are absent from this post, and although i
>can see his point to an extent i still object to the subtext
>behind his request in another topic to make "electronic music"
>and "dance music" two distinct and separate genres a la
>rock/jazz/hip-hop.

I have thought about this, too ---the two sides are so firmly intertwined that it's difficult to separate them into distinct entities, yet efforts are made to separate them. I detect that in this instance, you mean that they were more interested in distinguishing 'dance' as something separate, but I have also detected from other communities an interest in elevating the 'electronic' side.

Some histories like to precede discussions of electronic dance music with the early experiments of Varese, Stockhausen, etc., and while I see the value of this I have difficulty truly connecting it beyond the German artists like Kraftwerk. Historically, most American electronic dance artists (I am accepting as a given that they started the wellspring of influence for the modern movement) seemed more firmly connected to a continuum of popular music ---dance music--- and while Kraftwerk and other European artists are connected to and influenced this dance continuum I am sometimes struck that there is a subtle effort to downplay the dance music aspect in favor of connecting it to a highbrow European continuum. So to some extent I favor the idea of playing up the DANCE part of electronic dance music, in order to combat separating the music from certain aspeccts of its origins, but I can't argue it to any extreme of separating the "dance" and the "electronic" into distinct categories. And I'm not suggesting that there aren't multi-linear and complex levels of influence, only that the story will eventually solidify into some kind of linear tale, and it shouldn't elevate Pierre Schaeffer/Stockhausen at the expense of the history of U.S. R&B, etc.


>absolutely, and you see that already with UK sensations like
>the klaxons and others who harken back to early '90s rave
>culture and music, but i think generally it's kids who dictate
>and guide these trends of the moment and interest is typically
>in music from the years they weren't old enough to have any
>memory of the music or even years before they were born, in
>this case "borrowed nostalgia for the unremembered '80s" (c)
>lcd soundsystem.

the past becoming redefined according to modern tastes...inevitable, I suppose, but I don't have to like it!!!

  

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123. "you are so right about everything"
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no further comment *saves*

  

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124. "that is so abrupt..."
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...I hope it wasn't sarcasm? Apologize for having to ask...

  

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125. "no"
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i thought it'd be rude if i didn't reply, even though i hate saying "COSIGN!!" i really did save that for my personal archive text since not enough good threads get archived here.

  

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126. "cool."
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again, sorry, just not used to you having nothing to say!

  

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115. "Anybody Into John Tejada Or Deetron?"
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I've been a fan of Tejada's music for a few years now (ever since I copped one of his 12inches back in 2002), I got his "Backstock" cd afterwards and "Cleaning Sounds Is A Filthy Business" which came out in 2006 but I haven't heard his new album but he got ton of dope tunes I haven't heard yet that could please most of you heads.

I got into Deetron cause of a joint he did on some record but I saw his new album "Fuse Presents" and dug it mainly cause of the people that did some re-mix work on it too.

Both artists are mostly considered tech-house type kats but to me it's a little more than that sometimes on the IDM side of things.

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116. "John Tejada Iz Kool."
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Me an' Grand_Styles talk about him all da tyme. LOL!


>Both artists are mostly considered tech-house type kats but to
>me it's a little more than that sometimes on the IDM side of
>things.

I'm partial to da I'm Not A Gun shyt wit dat Azian guitarizt.

  

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119. "Not deeply familiar with Tejada,"
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but I have Cleaning Sounds and like it. I keep meaning to check out other stuff at some time....

  

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127. "Trance"
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One genre of Electronic I know little about, is Trance. I know the major albums, I know some Psytrance, but being that 99.9% of Trance is made as 12" singles....

  

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129. "my trance experience"
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i had a roommate in my sophomore year of college (2002-2003) who, of all of electronic music, only listened to trance. i used to give him shit about it for two reasons. 1. he'd never paid for it, only downloaded tracks on p2p... he pointed out to me that to his knowledge there weren't trance albums and it was difficult to impossible to buy trance (not a completely satisfying answer to me but i didn't argue). 2. i thought it was awful. i was a total snob about it because i listened to pretty much everything else in electronic music *but* trance. i thought trance was too repetitive, too slick, too cheesy, and too damn happy. it wasn't until "my love" and all the productions that came in its wake that i woke up to the good things about trance. it also made me assess my music collection and realize that some of the artists i like and even love made some music that was effectively trance (or at least the music was "trance-like"), just not the trance my roommate played. i still don't listen to it as a genre, but i haven't really made fun of it in a couple years either. it was nice to be humbled. anyway, i'd start with psy-trance before the mainstream trance club king pauls (van dyk and oakenfold).

  

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130. "RE: my trance experience"
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Oh I already know Psytrance pretty well, and there is someone on this other forum I post on who does NOTHING but listen to Trance all year. I go to him for recommendations.

Basically, to be an expert on Trance, you have to make that the _only_ genre you listen to. Seriously. Otherwise, find someone who does this, and then get recommendations.

  

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131. "RE: my trance experience"
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>Basically, to be an expert on Trance, you have to make that
>the _only_ genre you listen to. Seriously.

yeah, pretty much, especially if it's normal club trance and not psy-trance. i really don't know anyone who listens to trance as a genre (i haven't seen that roommate since that year, as he transferred and we weren't friends). i've come to respect it more than like it, mostly because it's bled into other genres i do like (hip-hop, r&b, pop, ambient, house, IDM, acid techno, etc.).

  

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137. "Hey, you two. Give me a trance recommendation."
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More of a curiosity thing really. I've never heard a full trance album, and I'm feeling adventurous.

  

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138. "RE: Hey, you two. Give me a trance recommendation."
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Trance don't have albums. Seriously. Trance is all about the 12" singles, remixes, DJ Mixes, compilations and things revolving around single tracks in general. If there is a genuinely perfect trance album out there that is timeless and a classic, its hiding. I can, however, give you a list of the best tracks of 2008:

(this post will be edited when I find the list which a trance expert made)

  

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142. "RE: Hey, you two. Give me a trance recommendation."
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Pack 1:
Adam Szabo - Altra (7 Skies & Static Blue Remix)
Aerian - Evenfall
Airbase - Garden State
Airbase - Moorea
Akesson - Sunchaser (Ljungqvist Remix)
Alex Chilcott - The Placebo Effect
Alex Hentze - Sokaribe (LD pres Tello & Lioy Ceballos Remix)
Algarve - Allegory
Allende - Tricky Waters
Anguilla Project - Refractory (Matt & Julian Remix)
http://rapidshare.com/files/172625259/Best_Of_Trance_2008_pack_1.rar

Pack 2:
Black Pearl - Coral Sea (DJ Shah's San Antonio Harbour Mix)
Breakfast & Mike Saint-Jules - Lifeforms
Breakfast & Mike Saint-Jules - Lightpath
Carl B - Just A Thought (Allende Remix)
Chapter G8 - Final Destination
Chimera State - Asia
Darude - In The Darkness (Mike Shiver's Catching Sun Dub)
David West & Orkidea - God's Garden
Enyo Giove - Sky High Elation
Fa Kin Su Pah - Big Chief's Herbs (Maarten Hercules Remix)
George Acosta vs Mike Shiver - The Apocalypse (Mike Shiver Mix)
http://rapidshare.com/files/172641740/Best_Of_Trance_2008_pack_2.rar

Pack THREE:
Jorn van Deynhoven - Godspeed (Joshua Cunningham Dub Mix)
Krivi - Surreal Skies (Adam Nickey Remix)
Lemon & Einar K - Anticipation
Lens - Beyond The Shadows (Robert Vadney Remix)
Orkidea - Stretching Time
Randy Boyer & Hydroid - Strike Again
Sami Saari - Sweet (Mike Shiver vs Matias Lehtola Remix)
Sensitize - If Only We Could Try
Sonecta - Skyride (Beetseekers Remix)
Sundriver - Feel
Tiesto - Elements of Life (Airbase Remix)
http://rapidshare.com/files/172668036/Best_Of_Trance_2008_pack_3.rar

  

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145. "Word. Thank you Mr. AndrewVS."
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156. "Trance Trance Trance"
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i just heard a trance track that was pretty good IMO (first trance track i've heard in some time though) listening to an internet radio station.
http://www.last.fm/music/Talla+2XLC/_/Carry+Me+%28Airbase+Vocal+Mix%29 <--- 30 sec clip but probably not hard to find the full track elsewhere

  

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157. "RE: Trance Trance Trance"
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on the same station (http://www.last.fm/listen/user/sharevari/personal), i just finished listening to this other track by airbase, "t-pod," and it's not bad either. i hate the cheesy, generic programming but love the gated synth (thanks to pop and r&b and then hip-hop adopting it over recent years). i just enjoy how trance synths "sing."

  

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128. "uh huh."
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i dabble.

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135. "mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa"
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http://www.zshare.net/audio/54806657ca72a832/
B2, Katabatic 12", Rephlex, 2008
choon

  

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136. "RE: mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa"
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Listening now...

There's a lot of these artists that I wonder if they aren't too derivative...but I still enjoy the tracks they make.

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139. "RE: mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa"
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>Listening now...
>
>There's a lot of these artists that I wonder if they aren't
>too derivative...but I still enjoy the tracks they make.

it's so funny that you should say that because i just made this "shout" on wisp's last.fm page (http://www.last.fm/music/Wisp) last night/this morning:

...i'm listening to his rephlex 12" right now, and it amazes me that richard and grant would sign him and release something so unabashedly aphex twin influenced. i've always thought wisp was talented, but i guess i have to agree with that quote ("Wisp is 'wanting to do something good, but not being able to'") until his rephlex album proves otherwise. at least he's much better than the flashbulb though!
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the track i posted here, "cultus klatawa," is by far the most original (and IMO the best) of the 4 on the rephlex 12", which, don't get me wrong, are good and enjoyable but just as derivative as his tracks he releases for free and on other (net?) labels.

an artist i like a lot who is also derivative sounding (mostly of plaid; he even works with plaid's occasional guitarist) is ochre, but he's never had the honor of releasing anything on a big label like rephlex. i think he's more talented than wisp, too.

  

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141. "RE: mp3: Wisp - Cultus Klatawa"
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I've only heard this one track, so don't have the full frame of reference, but I am inclined to agree with what you wrote. Basic Channel also seems to attract a lot of imitators/derivations. Influence/homage are one thing, but it would be hard for me to justify to myself making music that all sounded like someone else.

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146. "I was going to say this sounds JUST like Aphex"
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circa RDJ album, but I see you and ajiav already took care of that.

*obvious comment forthcoming*

It's not as good though.

But yeah, this is a bit too similar for me.

  

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147. "it's still good though"
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at the end of the day (c) washed up NYC rappers and hip-hop heads, i'd rather listen to melodic but derivative "IDM" (referencing the last.fm journal linked below) than the new "wonky" beats and dubstep tracks that go nowhere even if i find that "production" more "interesting."

  

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158. "Wisp - Steam City"
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in fairness, here is a stream of a 2005 wisp track that sounds nann like aphex, and it's a choon, too.

http://www.last.fm/music/Wisp/_/Steam+City?autostart

  

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140. "twine is one of my favorites from last year"
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osborne, JDSY, daniel wang...basically anything on Ghostly (except mobius band)

supermayer, gui borrato...i can go on and on about Kompakt.

  

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143. "i love last.fm."
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http://www.last.fm/group/IDM/forum/49/_/496155/_/8369300

on a related note, download that wisp mp3 i posted above.

  

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144. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
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152. "pretty much"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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153. "here's a quote on dubstep for you:"
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so thats it to the youth of today...

take everything you like from a song, and strip it out. what is left over: new genre, hated by the 'old' and loved by the 'young'. country -> rock and roll -> d & b -> dub step.

10 yrs from now will we have monostep? A single bass note played over and over again and people yelling CHOOON...

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148. "Do people still like Mike Paradinas?"
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I hear very little about him these days. Do the super electronic geeks even still dig him?

  

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149. "RE: Do people still like Mike Paradinas?"
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That may be because the last good thing that he came out with was an alias called "Kid Spatula" on an album called "Meast", way back in 2004. In terms of his official releases, Duntisborne sucked and Bilious Paths was awesome, but that was 2003. DASDT was 2007. No one is talking about him because everyone assumes he fell off.

  

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150. "'bilious paths' WAS good"
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i agree w/ you. that was the last i heard from him. i have 'meast' but haven't listened yet. i don't know if he fell off, but i do know he keeps very busy running planet mu.

as for his old music, it's still good to great, and i couldn't care less what music revisionists think of him or the genre.

  

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151. "Agreed."
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>as for his old music, it's still good to great, and i couldn't
>care less what music revisionists think of him or the genre.


I'm the same, but I'll always find it amusing how in vogue someone can be one minute, and totally forgotten the next in the music biz. Especially, if they have a great deal of talent.



  

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155. ""
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beautiful stuff

  

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159. "I just got the best album of all time on Vinyl"
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That's right, Richard D. James Album. Brand new. Never been played before. This is heavenly. It only cost 70 bucks + Shipping!!!!

  

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161. "wow at this:"
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>It only cost 70 bucks +
>Shipping!!!!

I have paid around that for a few items before...nothing lately!

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lol

i'll settle for my cd

and a flac rip lol

  

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164. "is the vinyl, umm, out of print?"
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i can't fathom *my* paying that much for an album

  

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160. "just bought The KLF's 'Chill Out' on vinyl"
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cost me quite a bit. if you're into ambient electronica definitely check this album out.

  

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162. "RE: just bought The KLF's 'Chill Out' on vinyl"
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yeah that's definitely a classic

  

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165. "IDM lives!"
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and who said there are no female producers in this genre?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Y7tr3mBtQ

  

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166. "bizarre, amazing, cute"
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"awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww..........."

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167. "dorks unite"
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in the last 12 months in the lesson, i think we've done a great job of reasserting the greatness and silencing the critics of this music, past, present, and future, after a spate of derisive and derogatory threads and discussions the year before. kudos.

  

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also, the rumors of a complete boc box set and new album plus heavy activity from the idm superstars (autechre, aphex twin, squarepusher, amon tobin etc) in the last two years have helped I imagine.

  

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>also, the rumors of a complete boc box set and new album plus
>heavy activity from the idm superstars (autechre, aphex twin,
>squarepusher, amon tobin etc) in the last two years have
>helped I imagine.

do you think so? i never heard those boc rumors, autechre had a big year last year for those who already liked them (nobody else cared or noticed; they're one of those groups who are probably tapped out when it comes to making new fans with new music), richard's last album as aphex twin was 8 years ago and even a lot of his fans don't realize he's the tuss or that he released hours of new music on vinyl only (and a one hour compilation cd) a few years ago, squarepusher seems to drop an album and then disappear for 3 years, and amon tobin is getting paid but seems to have seen his best days as an artist long ago. so there's been some activity, sure, but not like there used to be. all of these artists except boc used to be very active at one point.

i just wanted to give people here, including you, their due for not letting the inactivity and sporadic output of the above and other artists (where's plaid? lfo?) deter them from sharing their thoughts and the music itself.

  

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>do you think so? i never heard those boc rumors,

Well, nothing is guaranteed, but yeah people are seriously thinking its gonna happen in 2009. Looking at their release dates:

1998: MHTRTC
2002: Geogaddi
2005: TCH

so 3-4 years between releases anyways. They haven't been taken awhile as this is their normal release rate.

autechre had
>a big year last year for those who already liked them (nobody
>else cared or noticed; they're one of those groups who are
>probably tapped out when it comes to making new fans with new
>music)

True that. But for those paying attention the Quaristice series contained some of the best electronic songs of 2008.

, richard's last album as aphex twin was 8 years ago and
>even a lot of his fans don't realize he's the tuss or that he
>released hours of new music on vinyl only (and a one hour
>compilation cd) a few years ago,

I'm pretty sure Analord, The Tuss and Chosen Lords is pretty well known man to true Aphex fans. But he's coming out with a new LP this year. Someone posted the tracklist with times and everything on WATMM, not sure how reliable but everyone seemed pretty damn convinced. Even Joyrex seemed to be confirming it.


squarepusher seems to drop an
>album and then disappear for 3 years,

Dude he puts out shit like every two years -at least-!

and amon tobin is
>getting paid but seems to have seen his best days as an artist
>long ago. so there's been some activity, sure, but not like
>there used to be. all of these artists except boc used to be
>very active at one point.

I will agree that these guys are a shadow of their former self in terms of activity. Though, Foley Room was a pretty amazing album that obviously took a fuckton of effort to make. Its arguably one of his best.

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>i just wanted to give people here, including you, their due
>for not letting the inactivity and sporadic output of the
>above and other artists (where's plaid? lfo?) deter them from
>sharing their thoughts and the music itself.

yeah man. Honestly a lot of people are just catching up with LP5 by Autechre. A lot of IDM won't be appreciated for years to come.

  

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171. "excelsior"
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yeah, I've really enjoyed all these topics and the people in them...I imagine its encouraged more people to check stuff out, too

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172. "Gus Gus"
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in my whole life, i've never met anyone who likes gus gus. i've seen them on year end best lists and read positive reviews of their concerts up until the early 2000s. then it's like people realized that just because they're from the same country as bjork doesn't mean they're worth time and attention. does anyone here want to vouch for them? what i've heard of their music hasn't been bad, just not good.

  

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173. "Heard the name, never got around to listening, now I'm curious n/m"
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174. "a little bit of music here"
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http://www.last.fm/music/Gus+Gus

  

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175. "*BUMPITY* "
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