I am...

https://twitter.com/onnextlevel

He isn't as bad as some people say, but I can't really think of that many verses of his that have caught my attention. He is good for someone that has mostly been focused on production, but is he really that much better than someone like Black Milk? I hope you don't mean one of the top MC's ever. And even now, there are plenty of people on another level from him. Here are some random ones that immediately come to mind:

Kweli
Nas
Jay
Q-Tip
Blu
Joell Ortiz
Royce
Mos
Elzhi
Black Thought
Phonte

I could go on and on.

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although his last two outputs weren't that great, I still put Common above him too.

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but that last album has really made me try to forget that Common is still alive. I disliked it more than 808's (and that is saying something).

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I used to rep Common so hard, even thru Finding Forever I thought, well he's just busy with acting...he'll come back with somethin strong.

Couldn't have been more wrong. UMC is one of the worst albums I've ever listened to, and yea I hate 808s a lot but I still think it's lightyears better than UMC.

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...no doubt, used to ride for Common like a mutha, but just can't stomach his new(er) ish...by the way, well said...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

I mean I still respcet the man, get your paper, feed your daughter. It's just disappointing cause to me, he was always one of the best/most underrated.

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whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me

how the hell is he a top MC?

That's the problem. that's why niggas is talking like Asher Roth is good. Y'all keep listening to Gucci 'n shit and then forget that there's niggas out there flowing better every damn day.

Kanye isn't BAD, he's DECENT. he can tread water. every now and again he drops a dope line too.

His concepts are great, his hooks are masterful.

But he's not a nice MC.

I'm sorry.

When niggas say shit like that, it honestly make me wanna slap 'em.

I'm about to just start slappin niggas for real.

No discourse, no argument.

Just a quick slap. Out of love, of course.

On some "look what you mad me do" ish.


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on some look what u made me do shit! lol!!

smack me im smackin u back!

tupac>>>kanye>>>BIG

Big swing swing with bangers and thing thingers Soul glo zinging all over the ring finger

Spence..M.Garcia..Thurman..Lomachenko

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......waits for the 4th album

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>His concepts are great, his hooks are masterful.
>
>But he's not a nice MC.
>

This is apart of being a dope MC.. You can be a good technical lyricist but if you can't make a song your not a dope MC..

and you said that Guilty Simpson is better than Jay Z after that I can no longer listen to your opinion of dope MC's.

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Being an MC has NOTHING to do with crafting a concept album or making terrific hooks.

That's YOUR problem. You've lost sight of what Hip Hop is.

Being an MC means being, among other things, a wordsmith. If he's even in a wordsmith class he's an apprentice.




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@ All....
Check the history of Hip Hop the groups, the artist, and songs that were the fondation of Hip Hop..
Busy Bee, Kool Moe Dee, Furious Five, ect..
That definition you gave is not a Master of Ceremony ..

Not in the least bit..

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or you can be up on Hip Hop history.

I don't think either one of us, frankly, is qualified to wax poetic about "Hip Hop History".

What I do know is:

-Some of the groups that "made" it in terms of record sales, etc were hacks. They might have sold records or got spins on radio/MTV but they were little more than boy band groups put together by savvy execs. Just because they were among the first, doesn't make them best. MC Shy D said himself that kids in Atlanta were rapping harder than some of the folk he was arond in the Bronx river projects back in like '80.

- that the game has grown a lot since then. So if you're comparing flows of today to flows of the time, you're crazy.


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Dude I can wax poetics about hip hop cause I been a fan from birth..
I got into Hip Hop before I entered elementary school back in 83' ..
Beatstreet and Wyldstyle were played in my house in 85'.. Shit through in Krush Groove and Breakin..

Hip Hop and MC'n in general don't have shit to do with lyrics it's more about rockin a party..

Any case being a dope MC is about the connection that, in this case the rapper, has with the audience. And in Kanye's case he has mastered the ability to rock, connect, and move people and doing so without losing artistic integrity..

That why Pac is dope..
Q-Tip is dope..
Craig Mack was dope (for his time)..
Eazy E..
ect..

none of these MC's are great lyricist..

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why Pac isn't a great lyricist. I NEVER heard that until I got on these boards. Just because he doesn't spit wild MF Doom type shit doesn't mean he isn't a great lyricist. Pac was as good as anyone at putting words together. And unlike most MC's, he was an outstanding storyteller.

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I love Pac...
I think Pac was one of the best to ever do it..

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Sorry. I get defensive about Pac. People on this board act like he was just a person that influenced hip-hop culture. Like he was an average MC. I don't buy it. No one could listen to 2Pacalypse Now and say he wasn't lyrical.

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yeah, it's gonna be a long day/month/year/lifetime for you on those two fronts, brotha. Good luck tho.

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he's a top rap artist (of all time, i'd say)... not a top MC... his SONGs are better than his rapping... although i really enjoy his rapping

definitely a great artist.

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he's ok.

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I think Kanye even knows emceeing isn't where his true talent is.

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a lot of GREAT emcees can't freestyle.

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just pointing out that Kanye looks like a lesser MC whenever he rhymes with one of the greats. I am not just talking about freestyling (Mos wasn't going off the top in that video anyway). Listen to any track where Kanye is matched up with one of the top MC's in the game. He is just outmatched. That isn't a knock on him. No one should expect an artist that is primarily a producer to have developed his rhyming skills to the level of people like Mos, Nas, Jay or Rakim.

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... Not that it would've mattered anyway.

Sorry.

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Kanye gets over by putting thought and emotion into his lyrics...he's inspiring & dope with that aspect, but overall you gotta put him closer to a 2pac, who impacted the game like he was a top 10 mc, but really didn't have the lyricism of one.




"...Imagine divorced from reality and married to the streets...sweet"

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hell no! Kanye has no chance of being as influential an MC as Pac. That is comical.

I don't get why so many people don't think of Pac as a great MC. I had never even heard that suggested until I got started on these boards. Just because Pac didn't say weird shit like Doom that doesn't mean he wasn't lyrical.

"Papa was a mothafuckin joke, used to find dope in his coat and nearly choke when he told me not to smoke, damn don't get me started, mama smoked so goddamn much when she was pregnant i'm surprised im not retarded"

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he just wasn't

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

Was Trapped not lyrical?

Don't forget that storytelling is a part of lyricism. Pac was one of the greatest storytellers in hip-hop history. Don't judge his lyrical ability solely on the Thug Life Pac.

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is he better than people will admit? definitely.

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He doesn't follow the same template as the avg MC, he "made his own lane".

I didn't want to admit it, but he's got many of the right top MC elements.

Lyrics/memorable lines - in retrospect I can quote waaay more ye lines than some of those I would consider GOATS. And he has range in his topics, where many MCs fall short

Dope songs - check

Rock a crowd - check

Delivery/Flow - much much better

Freestyle - he's no battle MC, but he can spit

Voice - we'll... eh.

What ye's x-factor really is, is his personality. You can really feel his arrogance, wit and even his zeal and sincerity.

You don't have to be a top lyrically to be a top MC..

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i mean, the last word i'd think of when it comes to a lot of older school artists like run dmc is "lyrical" but nobody questions their ability as mc's...

-uu

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just because his numbers are higher. It's a different game.


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cause when we talk about the most lyrical cats ever, most of the old heads go with someone like rakim or g rap, not blu or phonte or someone like that. and similarly how hip hop is so wack today because there aren't many cats like that.

but every time the argument is made that an mc doesn't have to be super lyrical *today*, the same people are saying "oh no the game's evolved! you can't compare the two!"


i just don't see it...

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>but every time the argument is made that an mc doesn't have to
>be super lyrical *today*, the same people are saying "oh no
>the game's evolved! you can't compare the two!"
>



The guys who influenced this newer generation were some of the most lyrical cats ever (Nas, G Rap, Biggie, Wu) certainly more lyrical then the cats who influenced the old school. The bar has been raised essentially, and no amount of plea copping can justify cats tryna lower it down again.


Imagine cats like Art Blakey in the Bebop era tryna go back and play Dixieland stuff, music/art has always progressed, hip hop should be no different imo.

Exactly...and Pac was dominant around the same time those cats were doin' it so he stood out for not being as deft w/the lyrics...but he was still too big in the game to ignore




"...Imagine divorced from reality and married to the streets...sweet"

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and party music isn't a space for being lyrical... hype music too. it's just to get pumped up and/or party, not to be wowed by lyrical prowess.

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when you're talking about old school rappers.. thats how you need to differentiate. Obviously, everybody you list that falls under 'pre' is gonna be non-lyrical (like 95 percent of the mainstream right now)

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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

but you talking skill on the mic ehhh..dont know bout that one

he better than common and kweli right now tho

based on what? what has Kanye spit recently to make you think he is even close to Kweli's level? Are you one of those people that think Eardrum was total trash?

I don't get it.

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You are a fucking idiot.

I like Kanye as an MC, but comparing him to Talib is just ignorant.

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It isn't hard to stomach. It is hard to understand. Just to make this clear. I am talking about Talib Kweli. The rapper in Black Star. The rapper in Reflection Eternal. The guy who Jay-Z big upped. The one who has whole posts dedicated to the amazing lines he has spit:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2059898&mesg_id=2059898&listing_type=search

There is a reason no one pays tribute to Kanye's hottest lines. Kanye is a decent MC but I never even considered him a competitor of Kweli's. They are on completely different levels.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLvQuZQKYcs

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I grew a third nut from hearing that riff!

being thoughtful only takes you so far.

...says Wrongthink

Real talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12JJv6yCk7Q

Current Rotation:

Shad - TSOL
Onra - Long Distance
Cool Kids - Tacklebox
Shabazz Palaces

So you think Kanye is in the same league as Kweli? I simply can't even imagine how anyone could think that. Please enlighten me.

I might have to put up a poll for this one.

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...yeah, I wanna hear this too...Kweli is wayyyyyy nicer than Mr. 808's...these boards make me laugh and cringe at the same time...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

the idea that Kanye is way better than Kweli is so far in left field that I have to wonder about anyone that believes it. I can accept people having different opinions than me. But that one is just pure lunacy.

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im not talking reflection eternal,blackstar....im talking beautiful struggle eardrum kweli...

kweli raps uninspired, hes not hungry, hes boring at times, no persaonlity, his wordplay and rhyme patterns are starting to look basic, his metaphors and punchlines are so-so-so,his topics are not creative,i feel as if recently if you've heard one kweli song you've heard em all

same thing goes for common

and believe i used to be the kweli stan, saying this nigga was better than jayz around the blackstar,reflection eternal you couldn't say nuthin to me bout kweli

never should i listen to the song on eardrum featuring kanye west and be more excited to hear a ye' verse...that shouldnt happen but it did and it continually happens with kweli..the nigga boring on my mama, same ol same ol...

hate on kanye all you want, but the nigga can rap and he's always tryna step his rap game up...that nigga kweli sound like hes comfortable where he at lyrically

eardrum was a koo album, there were alot of skippables but there were some songs i bump

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but if he died tomorrow cats'd be singing a different tune.

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Cool Kids - Tacklebox
Shabazz Palaces

When your last album is all crooning - you're pretty much forfeiting your current status as a mcee in general.

See also:

Cee Lo, Andre 3000

that pretty much invalidates your argument.

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Shad - TSOL
Onra - Long Distance
Cool Kids - Tacklebox
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but when they sing through an entire album - you're losing me on them being a top rapper on their most current work that doesn't have them rapping. Same way Jordan wasn't a top tier basketball player for the year & change he decided to play baseball.

and mofo's wonder why people are scared to try some new shit...

don't matter if u like it or not, but someone shouldn't be blacklisted because they wanna try some new shit...

that's what being an artist is all about.

"forfeiting ure current status..." are u for real right now...

that dude ain't lose his fuckin voicebox!!lol This ain't the Lil Mermaid....

he can still rap again u kno...

>When your last album is all crooning - you're pretty much
>forfeiting your current status as a mcee in general.
>
>See also:
>
>Cee Lo, Andre 3000

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"I’m just a dreamer,
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Born to do good so others can be believers"

...his rapping skills than I might admit that he's almost a top rapper, but only afterwards not before.

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one of the best of all time?
i don't know (ore really care) - but the is most def one of my favorite rappers - been that since 2004

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We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

LET ME AX YOU A QUESTION FAM!!! WHO IS YOUR FAVORITE RAPPER??? NOW ILL DO AN IMPRESSION OF YOU ANSWERING THAT QUESTION FAM!!! UM UM UM ALMIGHTY KANYE SIR IM A TYPICAL LESSON POSTER WHO SPENDS 9 HOURS A DAY IN FRONT OF MY COMPUTER YEARNING FOR THE AUDIBLE MEDIOCRITY OF ANOTHER RAKIM OR GURU OR ROYCE THE FIVE NINE OR INSERT ANOTHER NAP INDUCING IRRELEVANT AS JEAN SHORTS HERB ASS ONE FLOW RAPPER!!! IMPRESSION OVER!!! ME SPEAKING NOW FROM THIS MOMENT FORWARD!! BUT I MUST ADMIT THAT AT THE MOMENT I HAVE HIT A WALL WITH MY TYPICALLY COLORFUL VOCABULARY FAM!!! MY DILEMMA IS THAT I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME THINK OF ENOUGH ADJECTIVES TO PRAISE MYSELF WITH FAM!!! I AM BECOMING ASHAMED TO RELY ON WORDS SUCH AS MAGNIFICENT, SPLENDID, WONDERFUL, GENIUS, OMNIPOTENT, FANTASTIC, SENSATIONAL, GENIUS, SCRUMPTIOUS, FLAWLESS, MASTERFUL, OUTSTANDING, BLISSFUL, GENIUS, INVINCIBLE, ALMIGHTY, MESSIANIC, IMMACULATE, GENIUS, AND GENIUS FOR SO LONG!!! SO I HAVE INSTITUTED A CONTEST OF SORTS FAM!!! I AM LOOKING FOR NEW WORDS TO ILLUSTRATE MY SCRUMPTULESCENCE AND I NEED THE HELP OF ALL YOU NO PUSSY GETTING BAD BREATH HAVING STUBBLE ON YOUR NECK AND LINT IN YOUR AFRO PLEBES!!! INSTRUCTIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS FAM!!! SUBMIT ALL SUGGESTIONS TO THE DEAR KANYE I AM A FUCKING CYBER DORK FORGIVE MY FOOLISHNESS CLUB PO BOX 1234 I WILL DIE ALONE BOULEVARD I AM A 29 YEAR OLD VIRGINVILLE KANSAS ZIP CODE 7891011!!! IN YOUR SUBMISSIONS BE SURE TO TYPE IN WINGDINGS SIZE 13 FONT SO THAT I CAN PASS THEM ON TO TAZ TO DECIPHER AND GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO DO OTHER THAN STANDING BEHIND ME CREEPILY IN PHOTOS AND LOOKING LIKE AN AIDS STRICKEN SEARGENT PEPPER!!! GOD DAMMIT I BET I INFURIATE YOU PEOPLE!!! IT PAINS ME TO DO THIS BUT AT THE MOMENT I AM VISUALIZING YOUR REACTION IN MY BRAINCELLS FAM!!! THE IMAGE IS LIKE A GARFIELD COMIC STRIP AND I AM A HYRBID BETWEEN STORYTELLERS KANYE WITH A PINK SHIRT AND MOFRO MIXED WITH THE YELLOW DOG ODIE AND ALL YOU LESSON NERDS ARE PLAIN ASS JON SITTING THERE WITH A SAD CANT GET A BONER FACE WHILE I LEAP AROUND AND DROOL AND SMILE AND LIVE FREELY AND YOUR EYES ARE HALF OPEN AND YOUR LITTLE WOE IS ME FROWN IS ON!!! YOU KNOW WHAT I MIGHT JUST BUY OUT THE ENTIRE FUNNIES SECTION IN THE LA TIMES THIS SUNDAY AND PRINT FIFTY OF THOSE SEQUENTIALLY OVER AND OVER OF JUST KANYODIE IN FULL IGNORANT BLISS WITH JON WEARING AN OKAYPLAYER SHIRT POUTING WITH A MUG OF COFFEE IN FRONT OF HIM ON THE TABLE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FAM!!! PEPPER IS MY FAVORITE WORD!!! PEPPER PEPPER PEPPER!!!

FAM JUST LET ME DO ME!!!!! HOW COULD YOU NOT JUST LET A MAN DO HIMSELF FAM!!!???!!!

IN YOUR SUBMISSIONS BE SURE TO TYPE IN WINGDINGS SIZE 13 FONT SO THAT I CAN PASS THEM ON TO TAZ TO DECIPHER AND GIVE HIM SOMETHING TO DO OTHER THAN STANDING BEHIND ME CREEPILY IN PHOTOS AND LOOKING LIKE AN AIDS STRICKEN SEARGENT PEPPER!!!

We are not stuck in this state of lower classes because of fascist..it's because we talk all day like cassius while perpetuating our own madness

this shit just got funnier and funnier with each line

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De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde
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Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

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Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

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He's even managed to be clever and somewhat earnest. That said, he will never get a TOP MC pass for me for that goddamn "apologin'" line he dropped.

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