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"The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
Wed Apr-23-08 06:52 PM by Wordup

  

          

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RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 23rd 2008
1
it's not out until the 29th.
Apr 23rd 2008
2
oh it's out
Apr 23rd 2008
5
nope!
Apr 23rd 2008
6
oh boy
Apr 23rd 2008
3
Great album. Definitely a full listen
Apr 23rd 2008
4
hopefully this post will last......
Apr 23rd 2008
7
Oh reeeallllly?
Apr 23rd 2008
8
I'm amazed it's only leaking now
Apr 23rd 2008
9
true indeed....
Apr 23rd 2008
10
im the nazi of keeping my shit tizzzite
Apr 23rd 2008
42
      i feel you fam'......
Apr 23rd 2008
50
New Amerykah didn't leak until 5 days before, I believe.
Apr 23rd 2008
11
yup....
Apr 23rd 2008
12
thats pretty much as far as you can go
Apr 23rd 2008
13
Exactly
Apr 23rd 2008
15
same...
Apr 23rd 2008
40
well???????
Apr 23rd 2008
14
Just started my first listen, when I'm done ill discuss
Apr 23rd 2008
16
Criminal is fucking nice imo.
Apr 23rd 2008
17
RE: Criminal is fucking nice imo.
Apr 23rd 2008
102
anyone know any good blogs??/
Apr 23rd 2008
18
you'd better work that google
Apr 23rd 2008
23
wow, just come out and say it why don't ya
Apr 23rd 2008
63
lol i know right? snitch ass motherf*cker
Apr 24th 2008
113
if youre techy enough to ask about blogs, you're techy enough
Apr 24th 2008
119
the outro on I Cant Help It is crazy!
Apr 23rd 2008
19
holy shit you ain't lyin
Apr 23rd 2008
24
the jaylib-intro snare might be the new chicken grease...
Apr 23rd 2008
32
one word = incredible
Apr 23rd 2008
20
Apr 23rd 2008
21
      lol
Apr 23rd 2008
29
this is von
Apr 23rd 2008
22
yea i LOVED the intro
Apr 23rd 2008
25
RE: yea i LOVED the intro
Apr 23rd 2008
41
that dude....
Apr 23rd 2008
43
      quest, can we get some sort of breakdown of that intro
Apr 23rd 2008
67
      RE: that dude....
Apr 24th 2008
193
RE: yea i LOVED the intro
Apr 29th 2008
431
only way it could have been better is if the keys was D'angelo vocals
Apr 23rd 2008
62
cot damn @ the intro
Apr 25th 2008
332
perfect mix of pissed and paranoid
Apr 23rd 2008
26
all i know is rising up is super nice
Apr 23rd 2008
27
RE: damn it i am holding out until tuesday
Apr 23rd 2008
28
I'm disappointed...
Apr 23rd 2008
30
best songs = @ 15 & the hidden track
Apr 23rd 2008
31
I smell bullshit
Apr 23rd 2008
33
RE: I smell bullshit
Apr 23rd 2008
36
why do you guys even entertain this nutjob? just ignore his post...
Apr 23rd 2008
37
lol, time for a new alias, Mr. Ackryte
Apr 23rd 2008
34
OH YEAH.
Apr 23rd 2008
35
As much as I like the album thus far...
Apr 23rd 2008
38
"To ya'll fools with the brainiac, high iq's....
Apr 23rd 2008
61
^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop
Apr 23rd 2008
49
RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop
Apr 23rd 2008
76
RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop
Apr 24th 2008
142
RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop
Apr 24th 2008
210
      yes they are
Apr 27th 2008
353
RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop
Apr 23rd 2008
80
      RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop
Apr 23rd 2008
101
Damn, new alias since April 08
Apr 23rd 2008
69
am I the only one who can't find it?
Apr 23rd 2008
39
you try google much?
Apr 23rd 2008
44
      lol, I remember a while ago...
Apr 24th 2008
117
           *cough*
Apr 24th 2008
124
What's the name of the hidden track?
Apr 23rd 2008
45
the album is 45 mins. long not counting the hidden track.
Apr 23rd 2008
46
and this dude is rushing to judgement a mere day after listening
Apr 23rd 2008
48
lol @ looking at the runtime = rushing to judgment.
Apr 23rd 2008
51
lol @ you back pal
Apr 23rd 2008
54
      i ain't even tryna fan the flames, pimp.
Apr 23rd 2008
60
      RE: i ain't even tryna fan the flames, pimp.
Apr 28th 2008
393
      I wouldn't be sweating Mnuts.
Apr 24th 2008
211
shit, a few hours after hearing it even.
Apr 23rd 2008
53
      I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-C-E. do you know what that mean, mayne? (c)
Apr 23rd 2008
73
           (jazzy theme here)
Apr 23rd 2008
81
                for a second there
Apr 23rd 2008
84
                     I felt like building on what we already started.
Apr 23rd 2008
90
Monkeynuts you buggin, let the album marinate first
Apr 23rd 2008
52
naw....i want him to stick to his guns on this one
Apr 23rd 2008
55
      now look what ya'll did! ?uest abt to take his website home
Apr 23rd 2008
70
      you should know by now, its not enough to hear the album first
Apr 25th 2008
314
you are an idiot
Apr 24th 2008
235
      its not his fault.
Apr 24th 2008
249
           why don't y'all two bitches just go out in the living room and talk?
Apr 24th 2008
255
                you gettin kinda angry son. editing and such.
Apr 24th 2008
256
                     lol @ callin someone angry then typing all that
Apr 24th 2008
257
                          that was typin alot son? damn. ack like i wrote an essay fam.
Apr 24th 2008
258
give me the night alone with it
Apr 23rd 2008
47
On the first few listens..
Apr 23rd 2008
56
Yeah....I've been bumpin that for a while now...
Apr 23rd 2008
109
that's what she said.
Apr 24th 2008
259
^^^ underrated reply
Apr 25th 2008
291
.
Apr 24th 2008
260
Unwritten should be at least an hour long
Apr 23rd 2008
57
yea, and they shoulda threw lupe on there too
Apr 23rd 2008
68
RE: yea, and they shoulda threw lupe on there too
Apr 24th 2008
125
^finally...
Apr 24th 2008
272
Lupe don't belong on this album
Apr 29th 2008
424
i am in absolute lust with this joint
Apr 24th 2008
151
the shortness of this track almost made me angry
Apr 24th 2008
164
good god yes
Apr 24th 2008
202
Nah...it's perfect and "genius"
Apr 24th 2008
277
i know.. god damn..
Apr 28th 2008
395
It's out in Australia! Just got back from the shops, album in tow
Apr 23rd 2008
58
What?! Where did you get it?
Apr 23rd 2008
72
JB Hi-Fi in Chatswood baby
Apr 23rd 2008
74
      Ugh. No deliveries is so depressing. I've gotta wait now :(
Apr 23rd 2008
78
      RE: JB Hi-Fi in Chatswood baby
Apr 23rd 2008
107
      It's there
Apr 24th 2008
137
      i'm glad i went to JB Galleries after work..
Apr 24th 2008
182
came in here to say this
Apr 24th 2008
120
Lovin' the beats on the album! All them shits bang....
Apr 23rd 2008
59
After seeing the Roots for free at Duke today...
Apr 23rd 2008
64
RE: After seeing the Roots for free at Duke today...
Apr 24th 2008
186
Great Concert album
Apr 23rd 2008
65
i imagine criminal being amazing live
Apr 23rd 2008
71
After 2 listens (one very thorough)... my impressions...
Apr 23rd 2008
66
i agree fully wit whut he said....
Apr 23rd 2008
77
I basically co-sign all this to a T
Apr 24th 2008
162
      RE: I basically co-sign all this to a T
Apr 24th 2008
174
           agreed... just nit-pickin'
Apr 24th 2008
176
           he can sing though
Apr 24th 2008
178
           RE: I basically co-sign all this to a T
Apr 30th 2008
446
just thru my first listen
Apr 23rd 2008
75
intro needs to be transcribed
Apr 23rd 2008
79
I know! Same here.
Apr 24th 2008
122
"I Can't Help It" almost made me bust a nut
Apr 23rd 2008
82
i tried not 2 push any buttons during the play, but i had 2 go back a co...
Apr 24th 2008
118
are we getting liners with this album?
Apr 23rd 2008
83
No :(
Apr 23rd 2008
85
      lyrics?
Apr 23rd 2008
86
           It's bare bones stuff
Apr 23rd 2008
89
                The fuck we getting!?
Apr 23rd 2008
99
                     Besides dope music of course
Apr 23rd 2008
100
                          I dunno
Apr 23rd 2008
104
                               there are liner notes....
Apr 24th 2008
242
                                    suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
Apr 24th 2008
248
                                    we've heard this one before man
Apr 24th 2008
267
                                         HAHAHA! In the humblest way possible...
Apr 25th 2008
288
This is a concept album?
Apr 23rd 2008
87
Riq is goin at these beats with NO vaseline
Apr 23rd 2008
88
some of the cd was played before the DOOK show today
Apr 23rd 2008
91
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 23rd 2008
92
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 23rd 2008
93
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 24th 2008
199
between this and when life gives you lemons.....
Apr 23rd 2008
94
Lots of Thought(s)
Apr 23rd 2008
95
RE: Lots of Thought(s)
Apr 23rd 2008
97
      RE: Lots of Thought(s)
Apr 30th 2008
437
I got stuck on Criminal
Apr 23rd 2008
96
Similar vibe to Game Theory the song?
Apr 30th 2008
459
After the first 2 listens...
Apr 23rd 2008
98
Literally just got through my first listen
Apr 23rd 2008
103
i'm waiting till tuesday
Apr 23rd 2008
105
i hear ya man
Apr 24th 2008
116
me toooo
Apr 24th 2008
274
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 23rd 2008
106
my only complaint is, all the hottest songs to me were leaked
Apr 23rd 2008
108
RE: my only complaint is, all the hottest songs to me were leaked
Apr 26th 2008
334
My quick initial impression after 3 solid plays through
Apr 23rd 2008
110
qouted for TRUTH
Apr 24th 2008
127
think it's time to ANCHOR this one
Apr 23rd 2008
111
the title track is SIIIIIIIIIIIIICK.... dopest beat this year...
Apr 24th 2008
112
cosign
Apr 24th 2008
167
I can't wait to let this sink in. The Intro / Hidden Track = Perfect
Apr 24th 2008
114
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 24th 2008
115
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 24th 2008
261
i don't get how i will not apologize is seen as.....
Apr 24th 2008
121
Probably my favorite so far
Apr 24th 2008
130
      RE: Probably my favorite so far
Apr 25th 2008
318
      i immediatley went and got a t-shirt made
Apr 29th 2008
407
      Its like FELA himself was on the boards
Apr 29th 2008
432
I'm not gonna comment for another week or two...
Apr 24th 2008
123
some more thoughts
Apr 24th 2008
126
the australian version is 54 mins long
Apr 24th 2008
128
      the grand return???
Apr 24th 2008
133
      Me neither
Apr 24th 2008
134
      Yeah. We don't have Live at WPFW, 1994.
Apr 24th 2008
157
Wow
Apr 24th 2008
129
Yeah... Wow!?!?!
Apr 24th 2008
132
??
Apr 24th 2008
158
      he didn't intend to
Apr 24th 2008
175
           LOL that was hilarious
Apr 24th 2008
245
                Don't know why you're surprised.
Apr 25th 2008
306
RE: Wow
Apr 25th 2008
320
WHOA!: the unreleased stuff is even better!
Apr 24th 2008
131
i'm going to be listening to game theory nonstop til tuesday
Apr 24th 2008
135
1 listen - @@@@ 1/4 (Siinging Man is the album's sleeper hit)
Apr 24th 2008
136
RE: 1 listen - @@@@ 1/4 (Siinging Man is the album's sleeper hit)
Apr 30th 2008
440
This is the hardest album The Roots have EVER released...
Apr 24th 2008
138
i think its great...ill be @ best buy next tues to cop
Apr 24th 2008
139
"unwritten" reminds me of "games without frontiers"
Apr 24th 2008
140
My first impression - I respect it more than I like it...
Apr 24th 2008
141
RE: My first impression - I respect it more than I like it...
Apr 24th 2008
143
I'd give it @@@@
Apr 24th 2008
145
Wale is very very dope
Apr 24th 2008
144
      we'll see...
Apr 24th 2008
146
           smh
Apr 24th 2008
181
"singing man" =
Apr 24th 2008
147
WHAT I REALLY WANNA KNOW IS...
Apr 24th 2008
148
RE: WHAT I REALLY WANNA KNOW IS...
Apr 24th 2008
149
      the grand return?
Apr 24th 2008
165
           yeah it would have been a cool, short outro track after rising up
Apr 24th 2008
273
P*E*A*C*E* *to the legendary ROOTS crew* *ICHIBAN!!!*
Apr 24th 2008
150
help.
Apr 24th 2008
152
this album is the shit
Apr 24th 2008
156
Im going to hold out and wait for Okayplayer to send me mine.
Apr 24th 2008
153
RE: Im going to hold out and wait for Okayplayer to send me mine.
Apr 24th 2008
198
      Naw. This seems like a great album, so I wanna do this the right way.
Apr 24th 2008
250
Just got my speaker system set up for a listen
Apr 24th 2008
154
I CAN'T MUTHAF*CKIN HELP IT!!!
Apr 24th 2008
155
*WAITING TILL IT HITS STORES*
Apr 24th 2008
159
Eye Weekly Review
Apr 24th 2008
160
bs, BUT, next album should be on some fun shit
Apr 24th 2008
166
they made an ALBUM, not a bunch of singles, RESPECT IT!
Apr 24th 2008
161
if it's anywhere NEAR Game Theory
Apr 24th 2008
163
RE: if it's anywhere NEAR Game Theory
Apr 24th 2008
191
RE: if it's anywhere NEAR Game Theory
Apr 29th 2008
425
After listening to @ 15...
Apr 24th 2008
168
Good Album...
Apr 24th 2008
169
RE: Good Album...
Apr 30th 2008
457
Singing Man...Did It For Me....
Apr 24th 2008
170
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 24th 2008
171
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 24th 2008
180
All this bullshit talk about Rising Down being *only* 45 minutes...
Apr 24th 2008
172
If it was 75 mins, people would bitch about filler
Apr 24th 2008
173
      lol, e'erbody got something to bitch about... you right
Apr 24th 2008
253
RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 24th 2008
177
i purposely didnt listen to ANYTHING..
Apr 24th 2008
179
After 2 listens.....4.5/5
Apr 24th 2008
183
Wow
Apr 24th 2008
184
FUCK IT! I am waiting till the 29th.
Apr 24th 2008
185
is John Travolta really still getting paper like that?
Apr 24th 2008
187
when you see the inside of his 747?
Apr 25th 2008
282
Love it
Apr 24th 2008
188
The album is dark as hell
Apr 24th 2008
189
Is that ?uest rhyming?...
Apr 24th 2008
190
A couple listens in, my favorite cuts are...
Apr 24th 2008
192
the beats on this album are so hard
Apr 24th 2008
194
Really good album. I just wish Malik B was on more songs
Apr 24th 2008
195
oh shit...!
Apr 24th 2008
196
bad omen?
Apr 25th 2008
295
after 1 thorough headphone listening
Apr 24th 2008
197
RE: after 1 thorough headphone listening
Apr 24th 2008
201
i feel and respect where you coming from.
Apr 25th 2008
283
      i see...
Apr 25th 2008
289
      glad to...hear i wasn't the only one
May 02nd 2008
477
      RE: i feel and respect where you coming from.
Apr 29th 2008
409
I'd pay for it and that's high praise for me in this day & age
Apr 24th 2008
200
loving it..
Apr 24th 2008
203
*gaping mouth* blown away - 5 stars
Apr 24th 2008
204
I'm resisting
Apr 24th 2008
205
.rar is like .zip, you need software to decompress it
Apr 24th 2008
208
google "winrar"
Apr 24th 2008
212
Thanks
Apr 24th 2008
270
One of the funniest things I've heard all day!
Apr 24th 2008
240
the beats "covers" at the end of songs
Apr 24th 2008
206
Phat Kat's "Don't Nobody Care About Us" prod by Dilla
Apr 25th 2008
297
      i stand corrected
Apr 30th 2008
455
The Order goes:
Apr 24th 2008
207
how you gonna rank it already?
Apr 24th 2008
218
Is this based on each album after one day?
Apr 24th 2008
221
      RE: Is this based on each album after one day?
Apr 24th 2008
222
           RE: Is this based on each album after one day?
Apr 27th 2008
369
They fucked up with Becoming Unwritten and Unwritten
Apr 24th 2008
209
far better mc's?
Apr 24th 2008
214
RE: far better mc's?
Apr 24th 2008
220
      RE: far better mc's?
Apr 24th 2008
224
           hell, i'd be happy with MORE peedi on the album
Apr 24th 2008
226
                more peedi and truck north
Apr 24th 2008
237
                ^^^^ agree
Apr 25th 2008
328
cosign on the 'unwritten' call, but
Apr 24th 2008
216
Come on now.
Apr 24th 2008
228
sheeeit.
Apr 24th 2008
213
god damn.
Apr 24th 2008
215
ya'll crazy for the interlude after the song w/ talib...
Apr 24th 2008
217
the j dilla riff at the end of 'Lost Desire' is fantastic....
Apr 24th 2008
219
I don't hear it?
Apr 29th 2008
435
      the interlude at the end of "Lost Desire"...
Apr 30th 2008
439
           lol
May 06th 2008
486
Hooks
Apr 24th 2008
223
criminal is john-john, last heard on 'living in a new world' from GT
Apr 24th 2008
225
RE: criminal is john-john, last heard on 'living in a new world' from GT
Apr 24th 2008
232
RE: Hooks
Apr 25th 2008
327
RE: Hooks
Apr 28th 2008
371
Dude, it's ?uest singing on the Lost Desire hook.
Apr 26th 2008
346
Already pre-ordered and paid so Inbox that shit.
Apr 24th 2008
227
whatever
Apr 24th 2008
230
      awesome reply
Apr 24th 2008
247
      If that wasn't the 100th time someone has said that...
Apr 25th 2008
280
very nice
Apr 24th 2008
229
the pow wow
Apr 24th 2008
231
RE: the pow wow
Apr 24th 2008
233
RE: the pow wow
Apr 24th 2008
236
as i understand it
Apr 24th 2008
234
      RE: as i understand it
Apr 24th 2008
239
I'm buying a copy for me and one for my daughter
Apr 24th 2008
238
one for me and one for niece (n/m)
Apr 24th 2008
241
After 2 full listens
Apr 24th 2008
243
*waits til the 29th*
Apr 24th 2008
244
Am I the only one who thinks "Singing Man" is the best track?
Apr 24th 2008
246
sometimes i'm thinkin' the same thing....
Apr 24th 2008
262
      uuuummmm...
Apr 24th 2008
265
           Ahhhh....good ol' Golden Boy....LOL
Apr 24th 2008
268
           sounds like dice takin vocal lessons from cee-lo
Apr 25th 2008
316
ugh.....this shit is whack....lol
Apr 24th 2008
251
This might be the Roots best sequenced album.
Apr 24th 2008
252
RE: This might be the Roots best sequenced album.
Apr 24th 2008
264
shit is ridiculoid. i can't wait to destroy my car speakers with this.
Apr 24th 2008
254
my description.
Apr 24th 2008
263
it gets better with every listen...
Apr 24th 2008
266
off one listen unwritten was my initial favorite track
Apr 25th 2008
284
uh....cause he gets killed?
Apr 25th 2008
323
      lol
Apr 25th 2008
325
      man put truck north and porn on the remix then that shit is amazin
Apr 26th 2008
339
      RE: man put truck north and porn on the remix then that shit is amazin
Apr 29th 2008
428
      damn
Apr 28th 2008
373
wus the deal wit the Aussie version.....
Apr 24th 2008
269
switched my version around on the ipod
Apr 24th 2008
271
RE: wus the deal wit the Aussie version.....
Apr 24th 2008
278
      RE: wus the deal wit the Aussie version.....
Apr 25th 2008
286
Damn
Apr 24th 2008
275
damn i could listen to the "criminal" instrumental for hours...
Apr 24th 2008
276
@@@
Apr 24th 2008
279
close minds get the slug
Apr 25th 2008
287
      I like the album because there is less black thought
Apr 27th 2008
355
           lol, and they should change their name too..
Apr 28th 2008
377
LOL looks like black thought has the common 'daughter's eyes' disease
Apr 25th 2008
281
I'd like to thank The Roots for making great music
Apr 25th 2008
285
anyone that doesn't like 'criminal', your opinon is suspect to me.
Apr 25th 2008
290
how is that not talib on "i will not apologize"?
Apr 25th 2008
292
it is him
Apr 25th 2008
294
That shit confused me too.
Apr 26th 2008
342
lol at some people on the web saying there isnt enough black thought
Apr 25th 2008
293
With the thickness of the Synths,
Apr 25th 2008
296
it feels like GT's "Amnesiac"
Apr 25th 2008
298
interesting.
Apr 25th 2008
319
I agree with this.
Apr 26th 2008
343
i really like it but argh... it feels like theres not enough melody
Apr 25th 2008
299
the "album dip"
Apr 25th 2008
300
RE: the "album dip"
Apr 25th 2008
302
Did Hub play on this album???
Apr 25th 2008
301
^^hasn't listened or bought a Roots album since TFA^^
Apr 26th 2008
336
owen biddle, to be exact
Apr 26th 2008
347
RE: ^^doesn't read the album credits^^
Apr 30th 2008
452
RE: Did Hub play on this album???
Apr 28th 2008
375
      nah, he co-produces beats
Apr 28th 2008
382
I hope yall actually go out and buy that shit.
Apr 25th 2008
303
I just bought it, man.
Apr 26th 2008
335
Further proof
Apr 25th 2008
304
Having let it sit in for a day...
Apr 25th 2008
305
get busy is that stizzy! them drums is insane
Apr 25th 2008
307
might be yalls worst album to date
Apr 25th 2008
308
I can't get over how lush everything feels
Apr 25th 2008
309
It is a solid album.....not..
Apr 25th 2008
310
HAHAHA@the De La joke in the hidden track
Apr 25th 2008
311
75 BARS
Apr 25th 2008
312
nominee for best hip hop track of the year
Apr 25th 2008
324
I Can't Help It is some dark shit
Apr 25th 2008
313
that porn verse gives me chills
Apr 25th 2008
315
      LOVE porn on that one
Apr 25th 2008
321
           Love the porn!
Apr 25th 2008
322
                He has the worst name in hip-hop lol. He murdered his verses though.
Apr 25th 2008
326
                     i think you mean best name in Hiphop
Apr 25th 2008
329
thumbs up.
Apr 25th 2008
317
y'all get better and better
Apr 25th 2008
330
Yo, this nigga Porn is murdering his verses
Apr 25th 2008
331
It is beastly in the whip.
Apr 26th 2008
337
good sequencing and the switch up on I CANT HELP IT is nice
Apr 26th 2008
333
**looks in mailbox***shakes fist at sky.....hurry up dammit!
Apr 26th 2008
338
just got it today....5 tracks in.....this shit is HOT!
Apr 28th 2008
392
2 versions of the pow wow...
Apr 26th 2008
340
noticed that too
Apr 26th 2008
344
i took it away
Apr 27th 2008
370
the one with music...
Apr 27th 2008
349
link up that original
Apr 30th 2008
454
as far as roots catalog this is top 3
Apr 26th 2008
341
Oh shit... is this ?uest's singing debut?
Apr 26th 2008
345
Rising Up too
Apr 26th 2008
348
      yessir.
May 01st 2008
474
For Future Request and Reference
Apr 27th 2008
350
RE:
Apr 27th 2008
351
      RE:
Apr 27th 2008
354
           RE:
Apr 27th 2008
356
Inspiration for I will not apologise?
Apr 27th 2008
352
.
Apr 27th 2008
357
just got the physical & tee in the mail!
Apr 27th 2008
358
you get mail on sunday?
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      Saturday.
Apr 27th 2008
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Did they make you pay for "The Pee Wee Dance!??!"
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all me.
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      Better safe than sorry I guess.
Apr 27th 2008
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I really like it, but it's only hitting like, 90% for me, and i think...
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yeah, the hooks are the only things bothering me.
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humbly submitted for your perusal
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Good writin'
Apr 27th 2008
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Orded my cd last Wed. and got it in yesterday
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The album sounds great! What the Tipping Point should have been...
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My review comes out tomorrow, but you can pick 6 songs from this
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Production Question
Apr 28th 2008
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this shit is fire.
Apr 28th 2008
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it came in the mail on saturday!
Apr 28th 2008
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im going to take credit for it starting from track # 128
Apr 28th 2008
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Strategic leak fools fans again
Apr 28th 2008
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RE: Strategic leak fools fans again
Apr 28th 2008
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strong, strong, album....
Apr 28th 2008
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i thoroughly disagree
Apr 28th 2008
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Even my daddy likes it!!
Apr 28th 2008
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y'all are gonna need to post up a d/l for the grand return
Apr 28th 2008
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RE: y'all are gonna need to post up a d/l for the grand return
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Got my CD!!!! got my T!!! *continues to listen to Rising Down over and o...
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Nice allmusic.com review of RD...
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Singing Man
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RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 28th 2008
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Dice stepped his game up
Apr 28th 2008
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DICE RAW is as much apart of this album as Black Thought
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got mine in the mail today
Apr 28th 2008
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Moms & Pops store had it early today....
Apr 29th 2008
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i just copped if off of itunes
Apr 29th 2008
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Darkest effort to date imo
Apr 29th 2008
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After a first listen in the car I was real disappointed..
Apr 29th 2008
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RE: After a first listen in the car I was real disappointed..
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The Pitchfork review: 7.8 swipe...duck...
Apr 29th 2008
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It was a good review. Although they said it's their third Def Jam album.
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RE: The Pitchfork review: 7.8 swipe...duck...
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      RE: The Pitchfork review: 7.8 swipe...duck...
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unwritten is a really fucking nice track
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RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
Apr 29th 2008
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man wtf.....
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just got my copy
Apr 29th 2008
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Criminal, Rising Up and Get Busy are my faves so far
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I dunno fam, I know I got different tastes than most of y'all but
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whack. just whack.
Apr 29th 2008
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let's hear about why homie
Apr 29th 2008
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      just didn't sound good. *shrugs*
Apr 30th 2008
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after three listens i'm realing feelin this album
Apr 29th 2008
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Thumbs up so far.
Apr 29th 2008
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On my second listen and I'm really diggin it.
Apr 29th 2008
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75 Bars (EDITED VERSION)
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Almost done with my first listen (fuck downloading)
Apr 29th 2008
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deeeeamn they hit #2 on itunes
Apr 29th 2008
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Black Thought has to be one of the only MCs
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RE: Black Thought has to be one of the only MCs
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Common ending his verse quoting Andre 3000
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yeah i caught that haha
Apr 29th 2008
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RE: Common ending his verse quoting Andre 3000
Apr 30th 2008
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goddamn this is album is thorough right now
Apr 29th 2008
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Not my favorite Roots record but a Great Album either way
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RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
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*shakes fist at 15*
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Fucking beautiful
Apr 30th 2008
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when people were talking about the roots cutting bg
Apr 30th 2008
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got it. good cd.
Apr 30th 2008
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oh, and kudos to dice for...
Apr 30th 2008
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good album. 'Rising Up' = VOLVO APPROVED.
Apr 30th 2008
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'75 bars' sounds a lot better in the album's context
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Maaan why the ''Unwritten'' joints gotta be so short!? *shakes fist*
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RE: Maaan why the ''Unwritten'' joints gotta be so short!? *shakes fist*
Apr 30th 2008
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Exactly the album I wanted to hear after Game Theory
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After listening to it again last night after work, Ive come to terms..
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gonna be a long hot summer...till november
May 01st 2008
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Copped it last night, lovin it so far
Apr 30th 2008
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Somebody please tell me the name of the track....
Apr 30th 2008
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Phat Kat - Don't Nobody Care About Us
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      *snaps* That's it!
May 01st 2008
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Barnes and Noble Gift Card = Rising Down CD + 2 fruit drankz
Apr 30th 2008
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where my liner notes?!?
Apr 30th 2008
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for those complaining about liner notes:
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for those complaining about liner notes:
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RE: for those complaining about liner notes:
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~
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Who's playing bassline
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its just aint grabbing me, man...
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they mad
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Porn on Rising Down = Dice Raw on Things Fall Apart - IMO
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agreed.
May 02nd 2008
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It is greatly appreciated by me.
May 01st 2008
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Just copped.
May 01st 2008
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The "What's Going On" of our generation . . .
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RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
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been listening since tuesday...
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Dice Raw is dope as fuck on this album
May 02nd 2008
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Okay, I'm back.
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+ Top 5:
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up to 75 bars this is unstoppable. but then it gets a bit boring.
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Hear the Drummer Get Busy
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RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread
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Methodman615
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1. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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this should prolly be in OK artist discussion

After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music.

  

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2. "it's not out until the 29th."
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5. "oh it's out"
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@geahuwine

  

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6. "nope!"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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3. "oh boy"
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---------------------------------------------
Leather In The Summer.
Silk In The Winter.


Twice upon a time,
there was a boy who died...
And lived happily ever after...

But that's another chapter...

  

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4. "Great album. Definitely a full listen"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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Messiah4976
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7. "hopefully this post will last......"
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.....it might get badu'd

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8. "Oh reeeallllly?"
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been waitin for this...

  

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9. "I'm amazed it's only leaking now"
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with only 6 more days to go.

  

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Messiah4976
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10. "true indeed...."
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....but that's been sorta the trend as of late.....seems like the days of ish leakin' months ahead are gone

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42. "im the nazi of keeping my shit tizzzite"
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the key is wait til the VERY last minute to go to pressing.

when an album is pressed...

its curtains

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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Messiah4976
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50. "i feel you fam'......"
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:04 PM by Messiah4976

  

          

....i remember when GT leaked and i hit Trotter on the text and his reply was "it was about that time".......from what i'm hearin' shits amazing.......i hope y'all got those pre-order shipments movin' on the 25th cause we need that work

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Cuntmatic
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11. "New Amerykah didn't leak until 5 days before, I believe."
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Messiah4976
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12. "yup...."
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...i think of the "ones to look for" Gnarls was the only one that leaked outside of that 7 day window

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HighVoltage
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13. "thats pretty much as far as you can go"
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Atmosphere took extreme measures to make sure it didnt leak and it did 6 days before.

same thing in this case.

i think its a good thing though... the anticipation is rough, but at least its still VERY fresh once the CD comes out officially.

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www.itsallthewaylive.net

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KINGGS
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15. "Exactly"
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>i think its a good thing though... the anticipation is rough,
>but at least its still VERY fresh once the CD comes out
>officially.


It use to be when the album was released people had already gotten tired of the leak & didn't even have the desire to go out and buy it.

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Go Bucs, Braves, Hawks!

twitter/kinggs

BRAINBANDITS.

  

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40. "same..."
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...game theory leaked mad early


this was worth the wait

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Messiah4976
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14. "well???????"
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is someone gonna say sumthin' about the other tracks?????

i'd really like to know what

Lost Desire (feat. Malik and Kwe) and The Show (feat. Comm & Dice) sound like......

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16. "Just started my first listen, when I'm done ill discuss"
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Cuntmatic
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17. "Criminal is fucking nice imo."
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DredScott
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102. "RE: Criminal is fucking nice imo."
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i can't stop playing it.

part of it sounds like it uses the same sample as boogiemonsters "old man jacob's well". the part at the end of old man jacob's well when it breaks down....anyone else hearing it?

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Some words of wisdom to the idiotic okayplayers...

It Is Better To Be Thought Of As A Fool, Than To Open Your Mouth And Remove All Doubt.

  

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18. "anyone know any good blogs??/"
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23. "you'd better work that google"
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63. "wow, just come out and say it why don't ya"
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you need to ask somebody about me. you some Newbie with a few posts. fool you coming at me with some turkey and Bread and you ain't no Miracle Whip to make a sandwich and you ain't no conversation to hang. (c) mistermaxxx

  

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113. "lol i know right? snitch ass motherf*cker"
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------------
Prodigy - H.N.I.C. 2
9th Wonder & Buckshot - The Formula

  

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119. "if youre techy enough to ask about blogs, you're techy enough"
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to do it yourself. thats just my theory

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

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HighVoltage
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19. "the outro on I Cant Help It is crazy!"
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as is the rest of the song.

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24. "holy shit you ain't lyin"
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that track is fuckin NUTS

  

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32. "the jaylib-intro snare might be the new chicken grease..."
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20. "one word = incredible"
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______________________________________________________________
Killers Born Naturally like, Mickey and Mallory. Not knowing the ways'll get you capped like an NBA salary(c) Talib Kweli


http://www.fudgefm.com/profile/soulsupreme

  

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eag5200
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21. ""
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this what always happens...
people ready to call it the c-word off the first listen.

take heed to erick & parrish, squier...

  

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29. "lol"
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______________________________________________________________
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donwill
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22. "this is von"
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this intro > tfa's intro

and if you know how i feel about tfa then you know i just said a LOT

ive played the fucking intro like 7 times...i dont mean to overhype it for anyone, its just saying a lot to me personally

ima go zone out

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Oak27
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25. "yea i LOVED the intro"
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they were fuckin pisssssed

  

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41. "RE: yea i LOVED the intro"
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lol who was the one that was getting extra heated??? that the dude says Ahmir Ahmir, tell "him"...

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43. "that dude...."
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dixpop lol

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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gwycliff
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67. "quest, can we get some sort of breakdown of that intro"
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sets the mood straight, but its hard to tell exactly whats going on...

  

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193. "RE: that dude...."
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haha, so dude's the same in person as in his 5 posts of fury?

Xbox Live gamertag: ILLPOOFLINGER

  

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431. "RE: yea i LOVED the intro"
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I gotta agree
the intro alone is worth the price of the cd

"ya'll know it's time for the end when the day come, you buy an album and get rudely insulted over fake drums/ same cd's you get for free you break'm..." - (c) MF DOOM
http://www.last.fm/user/ill_plus/
www.myspace.com/illplus

plz co-sign on my signautre

  

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Young H
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62. "only way it could have been better is if the keys was D'angelo vocals"
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332. "cot damn @ the intro"
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insane way to start the album.

can't wait to cop.




the revolution will not be inboxed.

  

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26. "perfect mix of pissed and paranoid"
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just how i love my roots albums.
i was skeptical about all those guest listings.
after one listen, they have all proven me wrong.
what an album.


  

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27. "all i know is rising up is super nice"
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i havent heard nothing else but if this is a hint of whats on the album...me likey
http://videos.onsmash.com/v/fbWMqUzasZLTyu8p


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las raises
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28. "RE: damn it i am holding out until tuesday"
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but you guys are making me want to search for this

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seandammit
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30. "I'm disappointed..."
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...that I can't seem to find this right now.

www.twitter.com/seandammit

  

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eag5200
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31. "best songs = @ 15 & the hidden track"
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-recycle bin crumple-

  

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KINGGS
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33. "I smell bullshit"
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this is either a shock post or you are one elitist fucker.

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36. "RE: I smell bullshit"
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agreed.

  

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MusicSnob
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37. "why do you guys even entertain this nutjob? just ignore his post..."
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34. "lol, time for a new alias, Mr. Ackryte"
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~~~~~~~~~~~~

www.itsallthewaylive.net

www.twitter.com/allthewaylive

  

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35. "OH YEAH."
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it all makes sense now.

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Cuntmatic
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38. "As much as I like the album thus far..."
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>-recycle bin crumple-

*dead*

  

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iamhiphop
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61. ""To ya'll fools with the brainiac, high iq's...."
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if you feel it aint banging, then its not my music."

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qoolquest
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49. "^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop"
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come on dan...

"The Okayplayers that I do have a problem with are the
aggressive, dissatisfied
(to the point of being hateful), frustrated, narcissistic
ones (there is also a
passive aggressive/narcissistic variation of this archetype).
These bitter, third wave Okayplayers are usually (or
unusually) frustrated artists,
producers, journalists and bloggers who have yet to see their
work acknowledged in a way they feel is meaningful. Most of
these people have no way of nuancing their social
selves and are largely unknown outside the message boards of
a select number of online communities or the heads of their
bitter progeny. They're the backseat drivers, the
armchair quarterbacks, couch potato A&R's who won't shut
the fuck up.
Their refrains go something like this: "Yall gonna catch
a brick", "That's why
yall went wood", "The Roots are meh", " I
stopped listening to them
after Illadelph", "Thought is
boring"....yada.... yada...fucking yada.
It would be cool if these lames said that shit twenty times
and disappeared into
the hip hop abyss that is the comment section of rival sites.

Instead for these fucks, Okayplayer has become some weird
part of their
"Primal Scream Therapy". They are drawn here hour
after hour, day after day, year after year, to clear their
fucked conscience. For them, I pray and pray for their
downfall. They are the worst elements, lowering the bar of
support to the point that a regular fan feels comfortable
saying semi-foul shit."

that's for you Dan....

hate all you want.

you see my 10.

show me your 10.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
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eag5200
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76. "RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop"
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>you see my 10.
>
>show me your 10.

10 what?

i didnt say the album was bad.
i said what songs are my taste & that ive deleted the album & left it at that...

  

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howardlloyd
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142. "RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop"
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10 albums dick wad

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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leisurebrain
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210. "RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop"
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>>you see my 10.
>>
>>show me your 10.
>
>10 what?


Theres only 8 albums

HomeGrown and Come Live arent albums

Say Ho

  

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353. "yes they are"
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a live album is still a album esp from the roots and homegrown had anotehr cd of alot of unreleased material

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L.E.S.
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80. "RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop"
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wow, where is that quote from? fuckin' brilliant.

  

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101. "RE: ^^couch potato a&r alert^^ time to quote that great orator dixpop"
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it's from dixpop, check okayartist for the post on the roots on colbert...some good discussion on that post.

there comes a time in every mans life when he's gotta handle shit up on his own Can't depend on friends to help you in a squeeze, please they got problems of their own---slim kid3

  

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69. "Damn, new alias since April 08"
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and you still got more posts than me?!?

I really need to step my game up.

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1-UP
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39. "am I the only one who can't find it?"
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all I can come across is a bunch of torrents that are obviously no good since they were added 2 weeks ago.

  

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hardware
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44. "you try google much?"
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google + rapidshare/megaupload

  

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Ketchums
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117. "lol, I remember a while ago..."
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I typed, "Google blog search" for someone who requested an album.

People reply, like, "Feds are watching! Don't say that!"

I'm thinkin, right, "Google" "blog" "search" are trigger words. foh.

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GOOGLE BLOG SEARCH.
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124. "*cough*"
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CondoM
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45. "What's the name of the hidden track?"
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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Monkeynuts
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46. "the album is 45 mins. long not counting the hidden track."
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Wed Apr-23-08 09:55 PM by Monkeynuts

          

(which is old material)

so 14 total tracks
with like 3 filler tracks,
and 'unwritten' is short as shit.

so the length of real music
is even less than that.

c'mon now.

i could see if it was a banger from top to bottom,
but it's not.
(for you 'but illmatic was only 10 tracks' niggas)

niggas wonder why they don't move units.
honestly,
how can consumers value your product
when you put out something half ass like this.

y'all on that swizz beatz.

  

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48. "and this dude is rushing to judgement a mere day after listening"
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:05 PM by qoolquest

          

well i was gonna leave it at a "smh" status and ignore your response.

but fuck that shit.


you really wanna enter the lions den with a defense of "and album that is 45 mins is the reason yall won't hit with the masses?"

that is your opening statement?

anything but that yo.

you a vet so i aint gonna off your head just that cause you are still under the entitlement of having your opinion...

im just saying....

the way you wanna start this off is

"the roots aint selling units is because the album length is too short for your taste...."

correct?

(floor is yours)

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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Monkeynuts
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51. "lol @ looking at the runtime = rushing to judgment."
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:11 PM by Monkeynuts

          

i mean,
i've seen you hail this as your best work to date.
when you hear an endorsement like that,
even from someone within the group itself,
you expect a little more effort.

just be honest with niggas and say
you just wanna put out an album
to either fulfill your contract
or increase the amount of material/buzz to tour off of.

but either way,
i guess the overall verdict will be out
after everyone digests it.

it'll go down as a blatant misstep, imo.

in response to your edit:
let's take this on an album by album basis.
hypothetically...
i've just been exposed to the roots for the first time recently...
i've liked most or all of the songs/videos that have leaked for this album....
i go to preview the album and notice it's lukewarm and short as shit...
what do you think my reaction is gonna be?


  

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54. "lol @ you back pal"
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i mean if that's how it goes down in your world then so be it.

but that is some of the most ignant shit i ever heard.

i expect better from you monkey.

seriously.

i aint even gonna go back and forward on this anymore....

you think it sucks.

i think i put my ass in it.

its a dra---


naw....you win.

peace

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
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homegrown: the beginne

  

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Monkeynuts
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60. "i ain't even tryna fan the flames, pimp."
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it's just that there's so much bullshit floatin around
and gettin stuck in our ears now.

we finally get back to hearin that shit we feel and been missin
and we have expectations for the rest of the album,
especially when it's hyped up by someone with your level of credibility.

then you get what amounts to like 40 mins. of actual music
with like 15-20 mins. of it that you already heard (officially).

it's only one man's opinion,
but i'm disappointed.



  

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rookieofyear619
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393. "RE: i ain't even tryna fan the flames, pimp."
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Judging the quality of an album based on its length isn't really fair. Like, yeah, you can wish there is more, but u can't say its a bad album and won't sell because its short.

There have been plenty of Great albums lately that sold that weren't that long. hell, look at the first Gnarls album. 32 minutes, but all 32 were golden, and that is a great album. Even the second one isn't that long and its still good.

WOuld u rather they put out the same album with a bunch of terrible filler tracks (knowing the roots, they would still prolly be good tracks) just to increase the length, while taking away from the cohesivness of the album? No, i want them to release an album that illustrates their state of mind and artistic presence at that point in time, which is what this is.

Are the songs good? yes. Does having a Solid track list of good songs make it a good album? yes.

But ur prolly gonna blow off my comments because of my low post count, and thats about as fair as judging an album by its length. Yeah, i don't post much, cause i don't see much worth posting, but your post is so utterly unfair and rediculous that i felt i needed to speak up.

Harder than y'all cause im smarter than y'all

  

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explizit
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211. "I wouldn't be sweating Mnuts."
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Dude only posts about the game and jay z...ain't really the deepest cat in the building.

http://myspace.com/bambumusic

www.individualsole.com

http://www.individualsole.com/?p=5256

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGH3OuP9Sek

  

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KINGGS
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53. "shit, a few hours after hearing it even."
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and I never understood why people are pissed about how short an album is, you can tell none of them listening to Hardcore punk shit.

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Monkeynuts
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73. "I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-C-E. do you know what that mean, mayne? (c)"
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>you can tell none of them listening to Hardcore
>punk shit.

  

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KINGGS
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81. "(jazzy theme here)"
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Questlove fro pick...$5
The Roots - Rising Down pre-order W/ tee...$26
Tickets to the Roots picnic...$50
some dude named Monkey Nuts catching feelings over so-called "I-R-R-E-L-E-V-A-N-C-E"....Priceless.

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BRAINBANDITS.

  

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Monkeynuts
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84. "for a second there"
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i thought you were gonna fire back
with a joke that wasn't run into the ground back in 97.

  

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KINGGS
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90. "I felt like building on what we already started."
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:)

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52. "Monkeynuts you buggin, let the album marinate first"
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:07 PM by Wordup

  

          

>(which is old material)
>
>so 14 total tracks
>with like 3 filler tracks,
>and 'unwritten' is short as shit.
>
>so the length of real music
>is even less than that.
>
>c'mon now.
>
>i could see if it was a banger from top to bottom,
>but it's not.
>(for you 'but illmatic was only 10 tracks' niggas)
>
>niggas wonder why they don't move units.
>honestly,
>how can consumers value your product
>when you put out something half ass like this.
>
>y'all on that swizz beatz.
>

  

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qoolquest
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55. "naw....i want him to stick to his guns on this one"
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shit aint even a day old and already on some snark shit.

stick to it.

cause i dont wanna hear no "you know on second thought...." shit.....that i know is gonna happen (that statement alone will guarantee that im NOT gonna see that statement on these boards notime soon....)


but seriously...


he says this was nothing but a contractual obligation.


like he was there all them nights i stayed up in the same gear redoing "apoligize" til my eyes were in the back of my head.....

he right...

this was really a middle finger.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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70. "now look what ya'll did! ?uest abt to take his website home"
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for what its worth..this rising up shit is hot


the relentless pursuit of perfection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j219PYApZWU&feature=related

  

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314. "you should know by now, its not enough to hear the album first"
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you gotta be the first one online to diss the album. Especially knowing that you might read it? Sheeeeeit, you gonna have people grasping at straws to diss it.

"Used to be the new kid 'till I grew into that new shit/
Emperors that hear the tunes admit that they are nudists..."

  

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235. "you are an idiot"
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lord...you don't like the album, it's too short for you...fine, but to say that is why the roots don't sell? some people are too stupid for opinions.

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249. "its not his fault."
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hes not on okp because he likes the roots. we know that.


hes just here to make spreadsheets of who fucked who in GD, accuse us of fakin car wrecks and gossip a bit.


i dont even see why you replied to him.
just dont.
lol.

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are you questioning my fanhood?

  

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Monkeynuts
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255. "why don't y'all two bitches just go out in the living room and talk?"
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Thu Apr-24-08 07:24 PM by Monkeynuts

          

lol @ replying to someone you supposedly share a computer with.

  

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Natural Mystic
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256. "you gettin kinda angry son. editing and such."
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ever think that im at work...
and hes at home?
wow!
what a concept.

well, you prolly already knew that, but you just want a reason to go in.
its alright fam.

told you you wasnt ready for the hate they unleash in here.
lmao.


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are you questioning my fanhood?

  

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Monkeynuts
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257. "lol @ callin someone angry then typing all that"
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258. "that was typin alot son? damn. ack like i wrote an essay fam."
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lol.
just stop it.


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47. "give me the night alone with it"
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56. "On the first few listens.."
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I think it is dope, some of the beats sounded a LITTLE similar, but maybe I'm just nitpicking. Saigon bodied his verse, btw. Definitely a jaw-dropper.

  

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109. "Yeah....I've been bumpin that for a while now..."
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and it gets better with every listen.

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259. "that's what she said."
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nm




the revolution will not be inboxed.

  

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291. "^^^ underrated reply"
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260. "."
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Thu Apr-24-08 08:00 PM by andrewX

  

          






the revolution will not be inboxed.

  

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57. "Unwritten should be at least an hour long"
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...why the hell is it soooo short!~!!!!!!!! dios mio!!!!

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68. "yea, and they shoulda threw lupe on there too"
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they need to do a remix with this track or something

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125. "RE: yea, and they shoulda threw lupe on there too"
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>they need to do a remix with this track or something

what the fuck is wrong with you lessonheads?

Lupe is dog shit...


keep his bitch ass away from anything the Roots ever do.


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272. "^finally..."
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i find someone who agrees with me...nice to know youre alive

ah-word up.

  

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424. "Lupe don't belong on this album"
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he's a lightweight..

this shit is dark

  

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151. "i am in absolute lust with this joint"
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164. "the shortness of this track almost made me angry"
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I was feelin the album but this was that one track that I was like, aight, this is the one I'm gonna repeat 35 times, and then the shit just ends? WTF, I hate when that happens, if they remix anything, do it with this and lengthen it out!

  

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202. "good god yes"
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if for no other reason to give mercedez more play

she's heaven every time

  

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277. "Nah...it's perfect and "genius""
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Listen to the lyrics

Be fearless...

"And the night I fought Sonny, I heard a few southerners at ringside say 'Sonny, knock that nigger out! The nigger talks too much!'
And we laughed, didn't we, because his seat cost two hundred and fifty dollars..."---Muhammad Ali

  

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395. "i know.. god damn.."
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the vocal effects are sooooooo nice..

...........................

Get Lifted...

  

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58. "It's out in Australia! Just got back from the shops, album in tow"
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About to give it a listen - the first time in a long time I've gone out and bought an album I've anticipated before downloading it

?uest, any chance we'll be getting online liner notes this time? I don't want to be rude or anything but I miss them being in the booklet.

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72. "What?! Where did you get it?"
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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74. "JB Hi-Fi in Chatswood baby"
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I work at Virgin Music and we've got it out today as well, I just hate my job too much to support it at all.

It's out today because tomorrow is Anzac Day - the long weekend means no deliveries until Monday.

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78. "Ugh. No deliveries is so depressing. I've gotta wait now :("
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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107. "RE: JB Hi-Fi in Chatswood baby"
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yo is Birthday Girl on your copy? or is that just an itunes bonus?

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137. "It's there"
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16 listed tracks and the bonus at the very end.

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182. "i'm glad i went to JB Galleries after work.."
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i didn't think it would be out yet, but to my surprise...and i'm happy Birthday Girl is on it

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120. "came in here to say this"
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was originally bracing to wait til 29th + 3 weeks shipping, while trying to resist listening to the leak
when i saw the local store website had it for 20, i ain't ever rushed there quicker in my life

  

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59. "Lovin' the beats on the album! All them shits bang...."
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I love 'The Show' with Common right now, thats my shit!
______________________________________________________________
Killers Born Naturally like, Mickey and Mallory. Not knowing the ways'll get you capped like an NBA salary(c) Talib Kweli


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64. "After seeing the Roots for free at Duke today..."
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I'm really excited about this. The Roots fucking killed it.

  

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186. "RE: After seeing the Roots for free at Duke today..."
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Damn...just rub it in why don't ya

I'm so jealous. Don't mind me...


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65. "Great Concert album"
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Great album as usual. Great album to perform...can't to wait to see them perform these tracks.

  

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71. "i imagine criminal being amazing live"
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i have no idea why. it's just so goddamn haunting.

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66. "After 2 listens (one very thorough)... my impressions..."
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- P.O.R.N. kills all his spots. Quest said this dude has been rhyming for 15 years? How have we not even seen what this dude looks like let alone heard some of his other shit?? What the hell is this guy's backstory.... anyone?... Bueller? (Truck impresses as well btw)

- Not really any weak songs. Can't quite say no filler though, since some of these tracks seem more like interludes.

- Listen with headphones. Sonically, this is impressive as hell.

- Sequencing is great. Whoever ripped this is a fucking moron for adding gaps after each song, but i deleted that dead space and it flows beautifully.

- Some of the hooks are hit and miss.... mostly hits though.

- Would have liked more Kirk... or at least have him more present in some of the tracks.

- All the guests came correct.... but it does leave me yearning for the coulda-beens with Lupe, Jay Electronica, Blu, Phonte and Q Tip.

- Now its crystal clear why Birthday Girl was cut.

- I dunno if it was a good move for Quest to come out and say this is their best work.... because the expectations are then raised astronomically given their catalog. I dont know if it is... likely not, but only time will answer this.

- Riq Geez is still the GOAT

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77. "i agree fully wit whut he said...."
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...P.O.R.N. really murks his spots...and Truck really fits nicely on his spots........


...all the guest on the album came correct but Thought brings that outta niggas...


...their best work ever???.....i can feel that Ahmir.......sonically this is really a damn near flawless album.....the spitters compliment the tracks and the beats definitely fit the spitters....


...all the concepts seem to flow seamlessly...



...fuck album sales.....keep doin' y'all ock......this shit bangs and it shows growth.....i tried to hold off but i had to listen.....my pre-order is already in though.....

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162. "I basically co-sign all this to a T"
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>>>>P.O.R.N. kills all his spots. Quest said this dude has been >>>>rhyming for 15 years? How have we not even seen what this dude >>>>looks like let alone heard some of his other shit?? What the >>>>hell is this guy's backstory.... anyone?... Bueller? (Truck >>>>impresses as well btw)
this was the shocker to me. they were gonna make or break this album, and they made it, very impressed with these guest spots

>>>>Not really any weak songs. Can't quite say no filler though, >>>>since some of these tracks seem more like interludes.
agreed... "unwritten" shouldve been longer though

>>>>Listen with headphones. Sonically, this is impressive as hell.
I bumped on good comp speakers

>>>>>- Sequencing is great. Whoever ripped this is a fucking moron >>>>>for adding gaps after each song, but i deleted that dead space >>>>>and it flows beautifully.

one of the more cohesive albums I've heard in a minute, even more so then Game Theory was...

>>>>>- Some of the hooks are hit and miss.... mostly hits though.
agree... I still LOVE Get Busy and the scratched hook but I feel the hook couldve had a lil more enthusiasm from BT, like imagine Ludacris saying "northside, southside, etc.." it wouldnt sound so flat.

>>>>> Would have liked more Kirk... or at least have him more present in some of the tracks.
I gotta listen more to comment on this

>>>>>All the guests came correct.... but it does leave me yearning >>>>>for the coulda-beens with Lupe, Jay Electronica, Blu, Phonte >>>>>and Q Tip.
hopefully a remix of something will be coming!

>>>>>Now its crystal clear why Birthday Girl was cut.
I think it wouldve fit as a last song if they went that route, I can see why it was cut, but I think as the last track it would not have ruined anything

>>>>I dunno if it was a good move for Quest to come out and say this >>>>is their best work.... because the expectations are then raised >>>>astronomically given their catalog. I dont know if it is... >>>>likely not, but only time will answer this.

>>>>Riq Geez is still the GOAT
killed everything as usual

  

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174. "RE: I basically co-sign all this to a T"
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>>>>>>- Some of the hooks are hit and miss.... mostly hits
>though.
>agree... I still LOVE Get Busy and the scratched hook but I
>feel the hook couldve had a lil more enthusiasm from BT, like
>imagine Ludacris saying "northside, southside, etc.." it
>wouldnt sound so flat.


tariq is not an animated mc.

that's like wondering what rakim would sound like singing "who haa got you all in check"

i understand yall want inflections...but...dude is not animated at this late stage in his life (and i know its like "how come he was that way on the first two records...?" the answer is he was 19 and 20 when he made those records.

not 36.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
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176. "agreed... just nit-pickin'"
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still been blastin the shit outta that jawn for the past few months and won't stop soon...

  

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178. "he can sing though"
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446. "RE: I basically co-sign all this to a T"
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Valid point on Thought and his inflection.

Though, I have to say I am thoroughly impressed on a number of these tracks, he's putting more feeling and nuance on it. I can FEEL some of his commentary...sounds less like he's in super emcee mode and more like he's putting himself into what he's saying.

kudos.

  

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75. "just thru my first listen"
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most of the comments on this board got it covered. the guest spots are on point, the tracks are sick, and riq is still on point of course.

- the dark mood of the album is well set. i am missing kirk, but he'll bring it live, i'm not worried.

- once again, the guest spots are on point, but considering the length of the album i feel like i haven't had a thorough enough dose of BT.

- i'm sure people are going to be complaining about how quest called this the best roots project to date. of course that claim will be debated, but i think its foolish for people to say stuff like "now the expectations are too high." i don't see how anyone's expectations wouldn't be high anyway, seeing that they are coming off of a great album in game theory.

rising down pretty good album then. it'll be interesting to see the reviews and such. we'll all need a week or so to figure out how good.

  

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79. "intro needs to be transcribed"
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cuz i can't tell what the fuck is being said. hopefully that's in the liner notes or at least a summation of what was going on.

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122. "I know! Same here."
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Thought I was the only one.

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82. ""I Can't Help It" almost made me bust a nut"
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that beat + these flows.

i can't wait to see these live. PLEASE come with this heat in Memphis

  

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118. "i tried not 2 push any buttons during the play, but i had 2 go back a co..."
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for that 1

Fuck a sig.

  

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83. "are we getting liners with this album?"
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85. "No :("
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The booklet is very short and simple

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86. "lyrics?"
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89. "It's bare bones stuff"
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There's not a lyrics, nor even a thank you section.

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99. "The fuck we getting!?"
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100. "Besides dope music of course"
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104. "I dunno"
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But at least the music is dope as fuck

I'm just hoping ?uest can spare some time to give us a little extra background on the album - that's why I love the old liner notes. Even if they're just on the internet, whatever.

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242. "there are liner notes...."
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i just gotta figure out a way to deliver it to yall....

AND YES THEY ARE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL


check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
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248. "suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure"
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lol

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267. "we've heard this one before man"
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288. "HAHAHA! In the humblest way possible..."
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I would still LOVE to have a digital or paper copy of the FULL Game Theory liners.

Someone had mentioned perhaps releasing it in a future "Complete Collection of The Roots" type box set.

One can only hope!

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87. "This is a concept album?"
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I purposefully stayed away from most posts related to this album because I wanted to be spoiled.

However, after I viewed the video for Rising Up (complete with breakdancing) I became interested in hearing more.

What's the concept for this album?

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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88. "Riq is goin at these beats with NO vaseline"
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91. "some of the cd was played before the DOOK show today"
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sounded decent and angry.

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92. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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Im on my second listen now (I should be typing my fucking 10 page paper due tomorrow) I think imma sleep with this shit on it is fucking dope as hell I really love this shit Ill have to get my copy on tuesday I want that shirt though dammit lol

  

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93. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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umm, if you got a problem with 45 minute albums... then you better go download some more Lil Wayne garbage mixtapes.

All I can say is that listening to the album was the best 45 minutes of my week, thats for sure. definitely well done. wasn't left needing more

  

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199. "RE: The Official The Roots &quot;Rising Down&quot; Discussion Thread"
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who is this lil wine you talk about? never heard of him.

  

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94. "between this and when life gives you lemons....."
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all i have to say is this is a fantastic week for hip hop.

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95. "Lots of Thought(s)"
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I def. understand why main stream critics like the folks at EW didn't feel the somber, down-trodden tone of the album. It most likely will not appeal to the mass music audience, and damn, was it a good choice to go with "Rising Up" as the single. And y'all already know how I feel about that track, being a Wale stan and all.

Personally, this is my type of music. And more importantly, this album really feels like it was made for the fans, aka, the non shit talkers here on the boards. If you're not down with this music, I feel sorry for you. As HV said above me, it's sonically pleasing and just a great album to play front to back.

"I Can't Help It": This track started out to be slightly unremarkable, and then P.O.R.N. ripped his verse, and the breakdown at the end was something beautiful.

"Criminal" is superb. When I first heard it this morning, I almost missed class because I had been listening to it on repeat completely losing track of time. I don't usually like rappers ending a verse with "fuck you," but hell, Saigon, I guess you're the exception.

While listening to this in headphones, I really started to pay closer attention to the songs that have already leaked. For example, 'Riq's verse on "Rising Down"? Incredibly real and on point.

Von said this above, but the intro, yeeeah. Have never really been a *huge* fan of Roots intros, but this one was crazy. I just wish the music had looped for about 10 more minutes.

I will play "Unwritten" for everyone I know. Every party I DJ this summer will be forced to hear this track.

Glad to hear Malik again and again. Because 2002 was my first real experience with a Roots album, it took me awhile to go back to the 90s' albums and pay attention to dude. Once Game Theory dropped, I really got my education and have appreciated Malik more and more. He's not really on Thought's level, but he's certainly still ahead of most emcees rapping today.

?uest, thank you for the end of "Lost Desire."

Com is still rapping in that Finding Forever tone. But 'tis cool, because his verse was eons ahead of that "Light 2008" bullshit he spit a little while back.

"I can't help that my heartbeat is a metronome." STFU, 'Riq haters.

And to the Legendary, thank you fellas. All dick-riding aside, you're still my favorite group in music and so far this album is remarkable work. I can't wait to run down to the record store and cop on Tuesday.





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97. "RE: Lots of Thought(s)"
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>"I can't help that my heart is a metronome." STFU, 'Riq
>haters.

that whole last verse on "the show" is incredible.
thought came through hard on this album, as per usual.

  

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437. "RE: Lots of Thought(s)"
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blackthought shut it down on both verses of the show

"ya'll know it's time for the end when the day come, you buy an album and get rudely insulted over fake drums/ same cd's you get for free you break'm..." - (c) MF DOOM
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plz co-sign on my signautre

  

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96. "I got stuck on Criminal"
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Similar vibe to Game Theory. I quite like it so far.

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459. "Similar vibe to Game Theory the song?"
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Or do you mean it sounds like it could fit on Game Theory the Album. Personally I don't see the comparison to the Game Theory track besides they are both incredible songs.

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98. "After the first 2 listens..."
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Wed Apr-23-08 11:26 PM by Oak27

  

          

"The Pow Wow" Really love the intro, thought it leads into "Rising Down" nicely

"Rising Down" is a dope song. Probably my favorite of the tracks they released prior to the leak. Best I've heard from Mos in a while, Thought brings it, and Styles hold his own.

"Get Busy" we all know about. Love the scratching chorus. When I saw them perform this live I was going wild

"@15" Damn, Thought had mad skills as a young teen. Dope little interlude.

"Becoming Unwritten" Not much to talk about here. Just a quick instrumental.

"75 Bars" wasnt a fan at first, but when you listen to it as part of this album it sounds nice. Its no "Web" but it gets the job done

"Criminal" is crazy. LOVE the hook on this. Saigon sounds solid. I'd say its my favorite track on the album as of right now

"I Will Not Apologize" This may be one I could be skipping in the future. I was kinda hoping Kweli would have dropped a verse. Not feeling Dice too much on this one either.

"I Can't Help It" is one of my favorites on the album. This one stood out the most along with "Criminal" after the first set of listens. Porn drops a great verse (he's great on all his spots on this album) and this is my favorite Malik B verse on the album

"Singing Man" is another one I'm gonna have to give a few more listens before I can get into it. Last verse is sick though, awesome effects

"Unwritten" is cool. The chick singing is great, kind of reminds me of "Living In A New World" for some reason, maybe the length.

"Lost Desire" It's about time you guys got Kweli on a verse again. "Rollin With Heat" is my favorite song on Phrenology and I was feeling his verse on this one too. Malik B's verse is alright and the hook is pretty good too.

"The Show" Hook is kinda dull, but Thought and Common keep the track banging.

"Rising Up" is my favorite right now behind "Criminal." I'm just getting into Wale recently and I gotta say I'm really excited for an album from him. He seems like he's got a lot of crossover appeal between the mainstream and underground.


Overall awesome album. The spots are all great. I think this album follows up Game Theory very well. The past two Roots albums definitely have been quite the 1-2 punch. I gotta say that I was feeling Game Theory more after the first couple of listens a few years back, but this definitely has huge replay value like any Roots album. ?uest said the darks are darker and the lights are lighter, but I don't see much light on this, which is cool by me. Also, good call not throwing "Birthday Call" on here. Not just cause I didn't like it, but it definitely would fit anywhere on this album.

Favorite Tracks: Rising Down, Get Busy, Criminal, I Can't Help It, Rising Up

Can't wait to cop the hard copy on Tuesday. Great job as usual. The Roots and Kanye are the only artists I can always count on to bring a great album.

  

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103. "Literally just got through my first listen"
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It's really interesting to see the band's evolution through the years, I must say. Every album brings a pretty dramatic difference in sounds and vibes. I only heard 75 Bars and Rising Down before this so most of this is completely new to me.

I've only listened to this once and I need to play albums through a lot to really make a justified opinion but from what I heard, it's pretty good. The two throwback tracks are wicked but what's up with the intro? I wanna know some back story on that conversation LoL. Hopefully there'll be something in the liner notes about it. All the guests absolutely killed it but by the end, I was fiending a bit more Black Thought. It's short already and every song has a guest appearance so BT doesn't get much time to shine. That's not necessarily a bad thing because again, all the guests made up for it but BT is rated very high in my mind as an emcee so I would've liked to hear more.

But overall, I liked it and I'll definitely be picking this up on the 29th. I'll let this one spin for a while. Game Theory took a loooong time to really grow on me and I have a feeling this one will too.

  

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105. "i'm waiting till tuesday"
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can't wait to go to the record store and throw this in. since tfa, there's nothing for me like opening up that new roots album, throwing it in the cd player, and then just laying back and listening to it all the way through. you know it's going to be quality, and you know that eventually those songs will all stand in their own right, but for that first listen, you just hear it all flow together as a whole. i can't wait.

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116. "i hear ya man"
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i aint listening to the leak
it's only less than a week til it drops, so i think i can be patient
but man i cant wait to just chill and listen to it all the way through
there's nothing like chilling with a roots album for the first time

Play me for a stepping stone
Then, I landmine
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274. "me toooo"
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for some reason i decided to d/l the atmosphere one cuz i wasnt planning on buyin it but after listening to it i was like "i gotta purchase this shiiit"

so because the roots are my favorite i'm eager to buy it...and im trying not to listen to any of the singles i just wanna take it all in at once. tuesday tuesday tuesday.

ah-word up.

  

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106. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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you know its a pretty strong album when people are saying i will not apologize is the weakest track. rite from the versions on youtube ive loved that track, cant wait to hear it live.

from first few listens it seems like game theory +
and i loooved that album

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108. "my only complaint is, all the hottest songs to me were leaked"
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of course this is all upon 2-3listens
so i might feel completely different about it next week


  

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334. "RE: my only complaint is, all the hottest songs to me were leaked"
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>of course this is all upon 2-3listens
>so i might feel completely different about it next week
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thats how i'm feeling initially. i tried to avoid them but those songs were all over. i need to have a few more thorough listens though.

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110. "My quick initial impression after 3 solid plays through"
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1. The Pow Wow
Chilling. Who exactly are on here? I hear Quest and Thought, who else?

2. Rising Down
@@@@@
This was insanely dope the first time I hear it. A month or so later, still feel the same way. If Mos spit that hard all the time I might be able to still call myself a fan, and Styles is in fact the hardest in the game right now. Meanwhile, 'Riq holds his own on a collabo with two greats. In other news, water is wet.

3. Get Busy
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Drums are HARD. I love it.

4. @15

5. 75 Bars (Black's Reconstruction)
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Textbook example of how to rock the mic.

6. Becoming Unwritten
What is this?

7. Criminal
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Feels a little soft in comparison to the rest of the album, if you ask me, and Saigon, who I consider to be one of the best doing it right now, doesn't come as nice as I hoped.

8. I Will Not Apologize
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Uh, this too. It might grow on me.

9. I Can't Help It
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God it feels good to hear Malik rhyme.

10. Singing Man
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11. Unwritten
Huh?

12. Lost Desire
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13. The Show
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14. Rising Up
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The best song on the album, IMO.

Overall, I feel like the middle portion brings it down a bit. Some of the tracks are a bit too soft for me, and some of the in house features miss their point.

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127. "qouted for TRUTH"
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>God it feels good to hear Malik rhyme.
>

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111. "think it's time to ANCHOR this one"
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112. "the title track is SIIIIIIIIIIIIICK.... dopest beat this year..."
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167. "cosign"
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114. "I can't wait to let this sink in. The Intro / Hidden Track = Perfect"
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as well as the @ 15 interlude. Great way to tie it all in.

can't wait to bump this everywhere I can, to see how it all feels.

  

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115. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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I'm diggin this ish. I love the ominous tones of many of the songs. (I would love to hear a project between ya'll and Reznor).

And its probably due the familiarity I already had to BT's verse on "I will not apologize", but I prefer his rendition live last year in Madison with DMB.

Props again. Album is solid. Can't wait to grab the vinyl.

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261. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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>I'm diggin this ish. I love the ominous tones of many of the
>songs. (I would love to hear a project between ya'll and
>Reznor).
>
As soon as I heard, "I can't Help it" I immediately thought the same thing. There was a NiN-Industrial vibe on that track that gave me the impression.

TIGHT album. I'm coppin on Tuesday (along with GTA IV).

  

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121. "i don't get how i will not apologize is seen as....."
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one of the weakest tracks
maybe it just cos ive been waiting for that track for ages and i love the live versions. some of my favourite roots songs like long time and double trouble i don't think sound anywhere near as good live, whereas this is one of those tracks that seems to be even better live.
oh shit, i can't help it just came on. i feel like i might make a post for every track here lol. its that good. and its 06:23, got in from a night out a few hours ago, not sleeping tonight. cant wait to get my copy.

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130. "Probably my favorite so far"
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Sucker for the afrobeat vibe & one of the better hooks on the record



  

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318. "RE: Probably my favorite so far"
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EXACTLY!!!I love the whole album,but once i hit "I will not apologize " it gets repeated a whole fucking lot.Black thought is an animal on this album as usual,Dice and Truck do the thing,and Porn absolutely kills all his verses.

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407. "i immediatley went and got a t-shirt made"
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with "i will not apologize" on it...

i even start my listening experience at track 8... its my favorite

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432. "Its like FELA himself was on the boards"
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"Pamberi neHIPHOCALYPSE" - Pioneering the African Hip Hop Uprising!

http://www.myspace.com/tate8t8
http://www.myspace.com/hiphocalypse
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http://www.youtube.com/hiphocalypse
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PAMBERI!

  

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rhymesandammo
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123. "I'm not gonna comment for another week or two..."
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...let me "live" with this record. I will say this:

I'm really enjoying reading all of the thoughts and my favorite verse on the album is either Peedi's or Porn's on "I Will Not Apologize".

Esteemed author of the celebrated, double-platinum post: "Drake - Wu-Tang Forever".

  

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weston24
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126. "some more thoughts"
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Thu Apr-24-08 12:42 AM by weston24

  

          

last year, after game theory or whenever it was, i hated the talk of peedi joining the roots but i wish he had more verses here now. he's a great foil for thought. but maybe he wouldnt have fitted into many of these beats, at least he hasn't been forced into songs cos hes a member i guess. gotta let porn, truck, kweli and everyones verses sink in first too.

not one track i think is weak here, probably better than GT, will have to give it time. sad to hear no black thought singing though i don't think? i really liked baby as a change of pace on game theory.

www.last.fm/user/weston24

  

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NeoSoul
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128. "the australian version is 54 mins long"
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after rising up its birthday girl, the grand return ft. dice raw & wadud ahmad & then the rest of the phone convo...

grand return is sick too!

Astromantic

  

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NAffy5488
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133. "the grand return???"
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i knew nothing about this til now

Play me for a stepping stone
Then, I landmine
-Wale-

  

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ArtVandelay
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134. "Me neither"
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CondoM
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157. "Yeah. We don't have Live at WPFW, 1994."
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Somebody needs to upload that without the talking at the end.

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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Bialy
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129. "Wow"
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after my first listen. usually you hear a couple of tracks that might be bangers on an album and then the stuff you didn't hear is filler or not up to par.

i thought most of the songs i didn't hear were even better then the ones i did hear before the release. which is a good thing.

still gotta sink in. whats gonna happen when the roots stop releasing albums?

can't say yet if its the best album to date i guess its gotta stand the test of time.

funny how after all these years the roots have come so far but in a way are still right where they started.

  

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132. "Yeah... Wow!?!?!"
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MonkeyNuts:

Boy you done lost your mind? I gots to come out of lurker status and call you as the most triflin' muh-fuh to cross my path (both on concrete and virtual) in quite some time. Ya moms obviously didn't raise you right. To have an opinion is one thing; to call out a man's - or a group on men - work as irrelevant is more than foul. It's more than hater status. Only word for it is it's just "wrong"....

You call the album out based primarily on it's length? Boy, I suggest you go check the length on the Bob Marley catalog of albums - in original form - and check yourself. I will bet every one of Bob's masterpieces is shorter than this, save possibly Babylon by Bus. Come back and tell me Bob's work is irrelevant because of the length.... Quality of CONTENT, not minutes, do a classic make.

?uesto - As always, this jawn does not disappoint. I can't make a call if it's among your best work as I have only passed through it once. However.... unlike some, I have nothing but respect for good music. And as far as good music goes, the Legendary has never failed to impress me yet.

  

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Bialy
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158. "??"
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why u callin him out as a response to me? i got no complaints of the album. lol

  

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budz4zo
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175. "he didn't intend to"
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>why u callin him out as a response to me? i got no complaints of the album. lol

its his 1st post, he doesn't know how to reply and shit

  

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245. "LOL that was hilarious"
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thanks for the support.
that was a first post if ever there was one.
i dont want this to be all bash on monk cause i went at him.
but he dont like some shit...
at least tell me its because of what we did...
sounds like he was predetermined to hate that shit before giving it a chance.
i expect that from maxx or dan

but not him! lol

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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306. "Don't know why you're surprised."
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Nuts is pretty dumb. Dude says racist shit all the time. He's pretty down syndromed.

http://myspace.com/bambumusic

www.individualsole.com

http://www.individualsole.com/?p=5256

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGH3OuP9Sek

  

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320. "RE: Wow"
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>still gotta sink in. whats gonna happen when the roots stop
>releasing albums?


Dude,while i was on my second listen I was thinking the exact same thing.That will be a sad fucking day.

www.scottcc.usana.com

  

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jesustrauss
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131. "WHOA!: the unreleased stuff is even better!"
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Thanks so much ?uesto for putting all the work in. This album is off the hook. Definitely since TFA. I honestly like most of the tracks that y'all didn't release here even better than the ones you did.

Thank you so much. Don't worry, I already pre-ordered and I'm super excited to get it in the mail, but a little bummed that it sounds like there aren't liner notes.

I hope y'all enjoy it as much as me. Can't wait to see the Roots + Erykah in Oakland!!! that shit will be live!!!

  

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NAffy5488
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135. "i'm going to be listening to game theory nonstop til tuesday"
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man i cant wait to hear this shit
tuesday cant come quick enough...

Play me for a stepping stone
Then, I landmine
-Wale-

  

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Young H
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136. "1 listen - @@@@ 1/4 (Siinging Man is the album's sleeper hit)"
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Thu Apr-24-08 01:27 AM by Young H

  

          

The outro to I Cant Help It felt most like a Roots song (fancy bells & whistles)
I have no issues with this album other than the fact that the group previously set the bar so high for themselves

like just imagine if Q-Tip was in press releases talking about "My new shit is gonna be better than your beloved Marauders", your appetite would be whet then you'd hear it like "yeah this is hot, but..."

the fact that I recognize it's good (I feel stronger about Rising Down than I did The Tipping Point the first time I heard that album) yet I'm not totally blown away (I felt stronger about Game Theory the first time I heard it) says that there's definitely space for this album to grow on me in time

It's very focused musically at its strongest moments, but it lacks that rawness where you felt the group had something to prove like Illadelphhalflife, Do You Want More, Things Fall Apart and Game Theory, and instead is just another solid addition to the group's catalog

Yeah, Thought is nasty with the words.
Yeah The Negaz have a crazy ear for melody

I dont take the creative process for granted, but it's almost like they're solid professionals who can do this with their eyes closed.

I hope nothing I said here was taken as an insult

Finally, I think we all *need* that Malik B contrasting element for whole albums for it to really feel like old times.

I fuck with this album though.

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circa 88
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440. "RE: 1 listen - @@@@ 1/4 (Siinging Man is the album's sleeper hit)"
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word'm up Young H

I can't stop listening to this album
and it's only right quest said what he said about it
what would he or any other artist/musician look like sayin anything different about a piece of work with their names branded on it
it's to be expected

this album is definitely gonna be one of the better albums this year regardless of genre, I hate to compare it to game theory so soon, but it's gonna happen regardless...I remember the feeling I had when I listened to that album and felt immediately it was a classic
imo that album just had a lot of different emotion to it and they really brought it, especially after that um album before it

this one is ill though...can't stop listenin to it


"ya'll know it's time for the end when the day come, you buy an album and get rudely insulted over fake drums/ same cd's you get for free you break'm..." - (c) MF DOOM
http://www.last.fm/user/ill_plus/
www.myspace.com/illplus

plz co-sign on my signautre

  

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DivineVersatile
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138. "This is the hardest album The Roots have EVER released..."
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Thu Apr-24-08 02:16 AM by DivineVersatile

  

          

I'm saying...Game Theory was hard but this shit is just REDICKULOUS!!

Thought is fucking possessed. Like seriously. Cat is taking "monster" to an ENTIRELY new level.

*************************
MY VERY OWN HIPPIDY-HOP! I'M GOING TO LOVE YOU AND PLAY WITH YOU FOR EVER AND EVER!!!

Elmyra....the choice of a new generation

  

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139. "i think its great...ill be @ best buy next tues to cop"
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------------
Prodigy - H.N.I.C. 2
9th Wonder & Buckshot - The Formula

  

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optical_study
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140. ""unwritten" reminds me of "games without frontiers""
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peter gabriel

  

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tREBLEFREE
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141. "My first impression - I respect it more than I like it..."
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I'm glad BG didn't make it, although I DO understand why it would be on there...

Anyways, aside from "The Show", "Criminal" and "Rising Up", the tracks come off a bit cacophonic...I'm not really trippin' on it because it seemed to put the focus on the emcees...if that was the purpose, mission accompilshed...

Other than that:

- Thought sounds hungry again (I didn't hear him say "YOU ARE NOW ROCKING WITH THE BEST" at ALL...that's a good thing)
- Common sounds out of place and it seems weird
- Mos did good
- "Rising Up" shoulda been the first single, but Def Jam ain't got the balls to do it, plus, it would embarass them...
- Wale's not bad...but this is all I've heard of him...
- *listens to end of "Lost Desire" and gives 15 that "AAAAAH!!! YOU DIRTY MOFO!!!" look*


Overall, it seems like y'all took a few more chances this time, and even if I don't personally like it, I can respect it...I couldn't say that about "Tipping Point", but it speaks volumes that I can say that about "Game Theory" and now this one...

I can't speak for anybody else, but respect will keep me supporting...


*2 kudos*...oh wait...wrong place...



























*waits by mailbox for pre-order package*



<<< Yeah, I know him. DVS does too.

Then: http://tinyurl.com/2uapll
Now: http://tinyurl.com/ypo9x4 | www.weareomniverse.com | www.myspace.com/treblemusick
Later: ROTDC::08/08

  

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143. "RE: My first impression - I respect it more than I like it..."
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>I'm glad BG didn't make it, although I DO understand why it
>would be on there...
>
>Anyways, aside from "The Show", "Criminal" and "Rising Up",
>the tracks come off a bit cacophonic...I'm not really trippin'
>on it because it seemed to put the focus on the emcees...if
>that was the purpose, mission accompilshed...
>
>Other than that:
>
>- Thought sounds hungry again (I didn't hear him say "YOU ARE
>NOW ROCKING WITH THE BEST" at ALL...that's a good thing)
>- Common sounds out of place and it seems weird
>- Mos did good
>- "Rising Up" shoulda been the first single, but Def Jam ain't
>got the balls to do it, plus, it would embarass them...
>- Wale's not bad...but this is all I've heard of him...
>- *listens to end of "Lost Desire" and gives 15 that
>"AAAAAH!!! YOU DIRTY MOFO!!!" look*
>
>
>Overall, it seems like y'all took a few more chances this
>time, and even if I don't personally like it, I can respect
>it...I couldn't say that about "Tipping Point", but it speaks
>volumes that I can say that about "Game Theory" and now this
>one...
>
you thought GT was dope right? How many @'s would you give this jawn, if you could rate it at this point?

  

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tREBLEFREE
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145. "I'd give it @@@@"
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>you thought GT was dope right?

I prefer more of their melodic, yet thump heavy shit, so, much like Game Theory, there are parts of RD that I REALLY like and parts of it are 'meh'...

but I say 4 b/c of the respect...even the cacophonic joints ain't wack, it's just that the melodies move me more...

It took me a while to COMPLETELY accept Illadeph/Halflife...and RD seems to be their hardest record since then...

Hopefully DJ will recognize the importance of having history makers on their roster and leave them be and let them keep doing their thing. Above my personal opinions, I'm happy to see artists be able to do THEM and take the listener where THEY want them to go.



<<< Yeah, I know him. DVS does too.

Then: http://tinyurl.com/2uapll
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Later: ROTDC::08/08

  

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Young H
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144. "Wale is very very dope"
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he's all over the place at this point

Wale D.A.N.C.E is one of my favorite rap songs ever and I've been bumping it less than a year

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tREBLEFREE
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146. "we'll see..."
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your tastes are suspect to me man...no offense...



<<< Yeah, I know him. DVS does too.

Then: http://tinyurl.com/2uapll
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Young H
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181. "smh"
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howardlloyd
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147. ""singing man" ="
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that shit.

theres some artist you can always count on to inspire.

thanks roots

yall appreciated over here.

keep pushing

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

  

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tREBLEFREE
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148. "WHAT I REALLY WANNA KNOW IS..."
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are the "track-by-track this is what happened and I feel compelled to give you interesting shit to read while you listen" liner notes back?


*waits for 15 to answer*



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Then: http://tinyurl.com/2uapll
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NeoSoul
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149. "RE: WHAT I REALLY WANNA KNOW IS..."
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nope no liner notes... i bought it here in Australia.. no thanks or liners... very short book... altho the aussie version did have birthday girl and another track called the grand return

Astromantic

  

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gwycliff
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165. "the grand return?"
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how is it? does it fit with the album?

  

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illeagle
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273. "yeah it would have been a cool, short outro track after rising up"
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it's pretty dope

  

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oak
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150. "P*E*A*C*E* *to the legendary ROOTS crew* *ICHIBAN!!!*"
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the sound of this album fulfills my wish of how i want to roots to sound so whoa, thanks for making this album!


just a thought.........

MOS DEF executive produced by the legendard roots crew!!!!!!!!

  

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Doc Maestro
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152. "help."
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give me some reasons, that dont require me downloading and listening to the album before next week, that'll make me buy the album on a whim next month.

relate it to past roots albums and be detail specific.

sheeeeit

  

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Oak27
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156. "this album is the shit"
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the rest of them albums is just poop stains

  

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153. "Im going to hold out and wait for Okayplayer to send me mine."
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or until justin gets it
whatever happens first



i want my first time to be special
lol


____

are you questioning my fanhood?

  

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198. "RE: Im going to hold out and wait for Okayplayer to send me mine."
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its still special if you listen to it..now

and when you get yours..listen to it again ...with liner notes...


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250. "Naw. This seems like a great album, so I wanna do this the right way."
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dammit.
lol

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are you questioning my fanhood?

  

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Music_In_Mouth
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154. "Just got my speaker system set up for a listen"
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now i jus have to roll a spliff for the listening session..

  

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155. "I CAN'T MUTHAF*CKIN HELP IT!!!"
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This album lives up to the hype like I knew it would (was already coppin)...Congrats Questo.

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159. "*WAITING TILL IT HITS STORES*"
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DAMN THIS IS HARD

  

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160. "Eye Weekly Review"
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http://www.eyeweekly.com/music/ondisc/article/25360

2 Stars (out of 5)

Complaining that The Roots are too cynical is kind of like wishing Delta blues singers would cheer up once in a while. But when you sound as tired and anemic as they do on their endlessly grey eighth studio album (case in point: the Afrobeat-inflected but lyrically predictable “I Will Not Apologize”), you realize that maybe they’re not the canary in the coal mine so much as the paranoid depressive who gets off on telling you how the government controls people through SSRIs. Maybe the problem lies in the chorus to yet another dirge, “The Show,” about what keeps them on the road 300 days a year: “The show, the show / it must go on / I can’t stop / I won’t stop.” Old-school reference, or a cry for help?

  

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166. "bs, BUT, next album should be on some fun shit"
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With the weather warming up it is a lil harder to bump this album in the whip, it has that drivin home from work in February feel to it. The reason I LOOOVED Tipping Point is because when it dropped I blasted it all summer, duck down, stay cool, tracks like these were great to ride to, I think RD is necessary but I hope next album they have some fun

  

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161. "they made an ALBUM, not a bunch of singles, RESPECT IT!"
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I only grazed through twice but the flow of the album went really well and no songs seem to directly stand on their out in an odd way, which is a dope thing... I was initially underwhelmed when I noticed the amount of guest spots by truck north and porn, but yo, they both got off... good shit, will fully bang out next tuesday with real copy

  

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163. "if it's anywhere NEAR Game Theory"
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I'm gonna be a happy boy

  

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191. "RE: if it's anywhere NEAR Game Theory"
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to me...it sounds like the continuation of it

  

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425. "RE: if it's anywhere NEAR Game Theory"
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first impression... it's definitely at least on Game Theorys level..

probably better.. definitely crazier!

  

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Street Disciple
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168. "After listening to @ 15..."
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Guess everyone DID really used to try and rap like Kane..its dope anyways...damn Riq!

  

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invoice
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169. "Good Album..."
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but I think it's a step backward. There are a couple clunky choruses that sound like they came off The Tipping Point, which take me out of some songs: "I Can't Help It" is dope--should be my favorite track, but the chorus doesn't fit, IMO. Same with "Lost Desire." The sing-songy-ness of these choruses sound out of place in their respective bad-ass tracks. Also, the "north side, south side, world wide" choruses in the first two songs are disappointingly repetitive. We've heard these songs before, we love them, but here, one after the other, it sounds like BT/Dice are running low on creativity, which we know ain't the case.

For me, Game Theory was compelling right away. "False Media" and "Game Theory" were two of the most progressive tracks The Roots had ever done--they moved, they gave the impression that GT was going to be unpredictable, like every single second, every snare hit, every sound effect drop, was all meticulously crafted. Rising Down, as an album, feels a lot less progressive, more cut and pasted. While I loved "Rising Down" when it was first released, I don't think it works as the jump off track--I think it should be somewhere in the middle of the album; that beat doesn't move, it doesn't give the album that unpredictable quality. I think "Get Busy" would have been a more gripping opener. Songs like "Rising Down" and "I Will Not Apologize" sound like cut and pasted, paint by numbers tracks without there being any real difference, musically, from verse to verse or from chorus to chorus. They are not bad songs (I still really like "Rising Down"), but they both get a little redundant. "Apologize" is a particularly slow burn, until Thought comes in and wakes the song up.

I would have liked a few more BT solo tracks. Practically every track is swarming with guest spots, and while BT holds his own, there are points where he sounds like just another featured artist. GT was his album, but RD comes off as The Band's album, with an arsenal of guests ushered in to do the dirty mic work. Thought is consistently one of the strongest emcees on the album, but there are some guests that get a little lost in the shuffle; I agree with those that said Common sounds out of place on "The Show."

All this said, it's unquestionably a solid album and I suspect that I'll be listening non-stop for a while. I like it much more than both The Tipping Point and Phrenology. "Get Busy," and "Singing Man," are the two I'm feeling most right now. "Criminal" is also very interesting, but I'm still trying to decide how I feel about it. Regardless, I'll definitely be copping on Tuesday; I hope The Roots have good luck in the sales department.

  

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457. "RE: Good Album..."
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I agree with a lot you said. This album sounds a lot like Tipping Point or its out takes especially those sing songy hooks. They are plain corny when you are trying to make a hard core statement.

Definitely not enough Thought on here, who sounds like a guest on his own record. His vocals need to be be turned up louder as well. After hearing this I felt the same way I did after TP. It was nice but when it's The Roots I expect more than that. It seems that after Phrenology they went somewhat low tech with TP, which is understandable. Game Theory combined the best of low and high tech but with Rising, they went to the low tech again.

After some more listens I will check in again. No matter what the verdict turns out to be on this I will forever love The Roots from making Phrenology, Do You Want More and Game Theory and also a nod to ?uest for co-producing Electric Circus.

I hope that the near universal acclaim the cd is given on these boards translates into larger sales than their last few cd's which were greeted with mixed opinions.

  

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170. "Singing Man...Did It For Me...."
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http://chesing.blogspot.com/2008/04/new-roots-singing-man.html

Everybody Goes.
Blk Thoughts Verse...Is Heavy As Heaven. Hit Home..since my Fam is from Liberia.

The Intro...Wildness....The Alpha of the Roots.

I Will Not Apologize....Fela Homage...GOES.

basically the replay value for Rising >> GT & TTP Combined.


getit....I support it.

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171. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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i just bought the Aus version today. but damn i can't even get any info for the track when i put it in itunes...how'd we get this shit that early.

i've only listened to it once in my car with crappy rattling speakers and it still floored me. damn hot record.

ps. who votes i order the American version as well...would that be silly or worth the collectors value?

ちょうしはどう?

  

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180. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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really good album. that's all i can say right now. it needs to settle in. some of you giving in depth reviews and it hasn't even been 24 hours are suspect. you haven't bumped it in the whip, you haven't listened in the headphones, you haven't lived with it. congrats ?uest on another dope record!

  

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172. "All this bullshit talk about Rising Down being *only* 45 minutes..."
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its bullshit. just take a look at some classic albums that run UNDER 45 MINUTES.


Natty Dread - 42 minutes

Signed, Sealed, Delivered - 38 minutes

Parade - 43 minutes

Newk's Time (Sonny Rollins) - 34 minutes

For Once in My Life - 35 minutes (and I could name about six other stevie albums around this duration . . . and they all considered CLASSIC)

Study in Brown - 40 minutes.




Yall better come harder than that, these are full-time, professional artists yall fucking with.



  

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173. "If it was 75 mins, people would bitch about filler"
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Quality >>>>> Quantity

  

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253. "lol, e'erbody got something to bitch about... you right"
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177. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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I'm not feeling a few of the hooks but it's only been two spins so far. I don't think I'm feeling it as much as I did Game Theory at first, but then again the only GT song I heard before I got the album was "Don't Feel Right" and I think I'd listened to a half-dozen of the new songs before RD leaked. I do hope the Roots switch it up on the next album; this isn't as much of a departure from GT as I was expecting. This'll be the first album I buy since El-P's last one.

  

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179. "i purposely didnt listen to ANYTHING.."
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..til i was able to hear the whole joint..




















15 is a fucking genius. hell of an album ya'll..

count on me for at least 2-3 copies on tuesday

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183. "After 2 listens.....4.5/5"
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P.O.R.N. ...... really though? Dude took advantage of his opportunities.

  

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184. "Wow"
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This album is fire. Ya'll do it again Questo! Thanks for the love...

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185. "FUCK IT! I am waiting till the 29th."
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187. "is John Travolta really still getting paper like that?"
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lol

  

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282. "when you see the inside of his 747?"
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HELL

YES!

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
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188. "Love it"
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Thanks for doing what you do, putting the effort in, and creating inspiring music for all of us to enjoy. You have no idea how this is going to help me get through these next three tough days.

I will be supporting this when it officially comes out.

Thanks Quest.

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189. "The album is dark as hell"
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I still can't get over Rising Up though.

  

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190. "Is that ?uest rhyming?..."
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on the end of singing man, it sounds like ?uesto rhyming. maybe it was just off first listen, but it didn't sound like that p.o.r.n. dude or truck north who the album track features.

album is nice at first (music wise). haven't had the time to dig into the meaning of the verses yet...

thanks to this being leaked, it is the only thing in my rotation now.

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192. "A couple listens in, my favorite cuts are..."
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Rising Down
I Can't Help It
The Show
Rising Up

Still too early to tell if its better than Game Theory, especially since I was jammin to GT this past week and rediscovering its greatness.

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194. "the beats on this album are so hard"
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but when I saw the Legendary perform a few weeks ago I was taken aback how loose and jazzy their live show has become.

Riq is still a beast live, but I swear me and my homie sat through most of the show waiting on the Roots to kick us in the face.

to no avail

post TFA this is the first time I've enjoyed a Roots album more than their live show.

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195. "Really good album. I just wish Malik B was on more songs"
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196. "oh shit...!"
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what?
..............someone hit the fuckin rental car?
(*?uesto laughs*)

CLASSIC!

great ending to a great album

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that whole track is like a classic, true to life moment that had to be captured and shared. lol.
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197. "after 1 thorough headphone listening"
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i gotta say nothing has grabbed me yet.

rising down, 75 bars, i will not apologize are my favs

the rapping is solid as always

the general industrial/gloomy aesthetic is kinda bothersome.

it's frustrating to goto a live show, see y'all looking like the modern day JB's RIPPING KILLING DESTROYING 'i can understand it' and have them put out an album like this.

i don't mean to go 'stardust memories' here, but i think i just want an 'easy' uptempo 70s funk/soul inspired album.

you guys are carrying the torch and maybe the only ones capable of still putting out that type of music.

people still want to hear that

but just NO ONE MAKES IT anymore.

the talent is there to make songs like "black man", "september", "watching you", "skin i'm in", or whatever.

i could listen to tariq rhyme over that type of stuff all damn da--forever.

i appreciate the effort put into the slaving over the tedious sonics/mixes/enginerring,

but i'd rather what you guys could do with some instruments a 4-track cassette.


maybe this one will click on the way home from the store next tuesday...

  

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201. "RE: after 1 thorough headphone listening"
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speaking of the engineering... everything on this album sounds incredible. much respect to the recording, mixing, and mastering engineers for this one. even just listening to mp3s the shit sounds nice as hell.

as for an overall opinion on the record, i like the dark stuff so this is probably going to end up being my fav roots album. almost every track is virtually unskippable. musically, i'm not digging 'apologize' or 'rising up' as much as the rest but it's still pretty early to count my chickens. literally all the other tracks on the album are my fav hip hop songs of '08 so far.

great initial listen.

  

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283. "i feel and respect where you coming from."
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but this is what you gotta see:

we have to be EVERYBAND


home base: hardcore hip hop

ave one: jazzy roots

ave two: underground bagack roots

ave three: adult contemporary roots (neo headwrap roots)

ave four: experimental roots

ave five: pop roots

ave five: jb review roots

ave six: straight ahead don't wanna confuse idiots roots

ave seven: roots that giles peterson's crowd would die for....

ave eight: jam band roots

ave nine: hard rock roots

i mean i can go on and on....

but since we are the last of a dying breed.....we borderline have to rep ALL these things.

and this is the album we decided to come HOME.

hardcore hip hop.

somewhat experiemtnal.

somewhat funky

a lil eclectic

but basically BANGERS!!!!!

i do welcome the challenge of doing an album in that manner (i am curious to see which tour you felt we aint kick ass in---what show?) but that kinda record is a lil risky in an environment in which i really dont know what my future is past tuesday.

this wasn't the "play it safe" album....this was what i call the "queen latifah last scene in "Set it Off" record.

"fellas there is a good chance we might be homeless on album 11.....let's go balls to the wall with this one"--i hate to sound that depressing but that is why "75 Bars" sound like we are playing so hard you can hear my tears run down my cheek from all the fear of not knowing the future.....i mean i "trust" we'll be ok....but i aint sleeping with both eyes closed.


eff all that....


check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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B Side
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289. "i see..."
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hmmm, shit hasn't 'clicked' for me (yet?), usually i get it on the first listen with ur albums, but this just feels a lot like GT (which i loved)...nonetheless warming up to more of it.

i hope we get avenue 10 - EWF/sly stone/shuggie/p-funk roots for the next one.

>i do welcome the challenge of doing an album in that manner (i
>am curious to see which tour you felt we aint kick ass
>in---what show?)

AND AND i don't think i was clear here...i saw y'all at last summer's rock the bells with that 15 minute 'i can understand it'. my friends and i, who have all been to 10+ roots shows, thought that was the best thing we've ever seen you guys do in concert. (and we were at 2nd night radio city)

BUT why y'all play sooooo loud in the apollo, i couldn't hear shit during or after that one LOL

  

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>BUT why y'all play sooooo loud in the apollo, i couldn't hear
>shit during or after that one LOL

Yeah, my ears were fucked up for a while after that show.

  

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409. "RE: i feel and respect where you coming from."
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like foreal, we all got opinions on the album, good and bad. for ya'll, feedback is good...but i think you should stick to your plan. go home, take it all home, if thats whatchu feel.
when you record and drop albums, aint that self-expression? i mean, it wouldnt be the hiphop i loved if you was expressin based on, us, the listeners. i know that counts and all....but i'm sure most of US APPRECIATIVE listeners *cough*monkeynuts*cough* wanna hear your perspective of sound. haters will be haters.

  

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200. "I'd pay for it and that's high praise for me in this day & age"
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It's short, but I ain't really skippin' nothing, but "75 Bars", Thought kills it, but it didn't have alot of replay value for me.

Er'body shined on the guest spots. Shyt, when is Dice Raw coming out with something else?


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203. "loving it.."
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im straight loving this album so far...unwritten is my shit

- Andrew

  

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204. "*gaping mouth* blown away - 5 stars"
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ok so i just dl'd it....my preorder is already in the okayplayer store though.

I'm going to post something more in depth later but mannnnnn

first impressions

1) intro.... very dope to be let in to that...love the music behind it

2-5) already had heard most of (minus the freestyle)...already really dug those

but yo

from 6-14!?!

good golly. i love these tracks beyond what my at-work-rushing can express.
and i love the political contexts

15) dope also




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205. "I'm resisting"
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And the only thing that's stopping me is the fact the only type of files I've seen are .rar and I can't find a way to play them on my comp. *Cough*

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208. ".rar is like .zip, you need software to decompress it"
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212. "google "winrar""
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270. "Thanks"
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Now I can finally listen to the Original NERD album and Madvillain albums!

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240. "One of the funniest things I've heard all day!"
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206. "the beats "covers" at the end of songs"
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kanye's "last call"

spinnas/phontes "dilla tribute" on dillagence (am i wrong about this 1)????

dope ish

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297. "Phat Kat's "Don't Nobody Care About Us" prod by Dilla"
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>spinnas/phontes "dilla tribute" on dillagence (am i wrong
>about this 1)????

Spinna was paying homage himself to that beat on the tribute he did with Phonte

  

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thnx for the info

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207. "The Order goes:"
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1. Game Theory
2. Things Fall Apart
3. Illadelph Halflife
4. Do You Want More??!!!?
5. Phrenology
6. Rising Down
7. Organix
8. Tipping Point

RD is strong but not legendary like so much of their catalogue, a solid @@@1/2

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218. "how you gonna rank it already?"
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221. "Is this based on each album after one day?"
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222. "RE: Is this based on each album after one day?"
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yes, i should have said that. This is a "first impressions" list really. But i dont think my definitive list will differ *that* much.

Edit: It's like when i finished listening to Game Theory and Things Fall (and Phrenology cause of how ambitious it was) i literally stopped my cd player/mp3 player and started making phone calls and sending frantic instant messages. Not so much with the bottom 1/3 of the list.

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369. "RE: Is this based on each album after one day?"
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RD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phren

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209. "They fucked up with Becoming Unwritten and Unwritten"
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those two could of been really good tracks...

also guest appearances by truck north, styles p, saigon & peedi crack could of been replaced by far better MCs...
or just have more time for Thought

  

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214. "far better mc's?"
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seriously? so common, mos, and kweli get passes from you (shocking) but Styles P and Saigon are wack? not to mention Peedi's vs. is the perfect ending to Get Busy.

As far as truck north and p.o.r.n. go I felt the same way until I **listened** to the tracks and they did they thing...

  

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220. "RE: far better mc's?"
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>seriously? so common, mos, and kweli get passes from you
>(shocking) but Styles P and Saigon are wack? not to mention
>Peedi's vs. is the perfect ending to Get Busy.

Mos Def did his thing...

i would of mentioned Common and Kweli too, but i didn't want
to get like 20 replies from okayplayer fanatics...

Peedi is horrible and his voice is annoying..
Styles P is like a generic version of Ghostface Killa and Raekwon..

>As far as truck north and p.o.r.n. go I felt the same way
>until I **listened** to the tracks and they did they thing...

you need to learn how to **read** so you can see that i didn't mention p.o.r.n. he did a good job.. Truck North on the other hand..

  

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224. "RE: far better mc's?"
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I'll take my L on missing p.o.r.n.

but

>>>Peedi is horrible and his voice is annoying..
>>>Styles P is like a generic version of Ghostface Killa and >>>Raekwon..

ima just agree to disagree on these 2 stupid ass comments

  

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226. "hell, i'd be happy with MORE peedi on the album"
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237. "more peedi and truck north"
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styles p did come with a WTF verse.

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328. "^^^^ agree"
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i wanted more peedi as well (no hmo with the o in between)

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216. "cosign on the 'unwritten' call, but"
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i completely disagree with your call on the guests.

  

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228. "Come on now."
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Saigon had a great verse. Otherwise though, I wouldn't have minded a few more Malik B. verses & cutting Common's verse. No more emcees though, there were enough extra features as is.

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213. "sheeeit."
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Ive restrained myself this time to only listen to 75 Bars and Get Busy.

GTAIV + Rising Down on the same day = busting a nut

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215. "god damn."
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i'm gonna let it simmer for a while, but i'm definitely impressed.

rising down - sets off the album lovely. mos, thought & styles all bring it on a real banger (though think i prefer the hum drum mix, but that doesn't take anything away from this.)

get busy - heat. nother killer beat & peedi is the shit.

@15: lil' daddy kane? cool- & the transition to

75 bars: is inspired. how raw this shit is. thought just rips it- and that train whistle is a great touch.

becoming unwritten: frustrating

criminal: rocks. john-john makes a welcome return.

i will not apologize: man, thought and porn's deliveries on this track are cool as fuck. this shit manages to be laid-back and bouncy at the same time.

i can't help it: malik b, ladies and gentlemen. porn kills it on this track. i REALLY dig the synth on this track, great vocals- and that outro is tiiight.

singing man: the understated production on this track is a winner. love all the shit going on when the beat drops out. keep on truckin'

unwritten: quest, why the fuck is this basically an interlude? getting your 'i wonder u' on, huh? (no monkeynutso.)

lost desire: once again back it's the incredible b. kweli doesn't amaze or disappoint. thought nails it. the hook isn't that 'hooky' but it's much better than the clunkers on the tipping point. another great outro- the dilla tribute is a nice touch.

the show: quest's drunken tribute to the beat of dougie fresh's 'the show' is the shit. and again, the synths are cool.

rising up: deserves to be a hit. perfect summer vibe. wale keeps up this album's fine showing by the 'unknown' guests- all of whom outdid kweli and common, imo.

birthday girl: coulda shoulda woulda fit right here REALLY well. *shrug* guess i'm gonna have to get the aussie version sent to me.

hidden track: ahahahahaha. has def jam HEARD richie's rant?

after the first few listens, this album certainly maintains the high standard of the roots' catalogue. this will be getting a LOT of play.

thanks, guys!



  

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217. "ya'll crazy for the interlude after the song w/ talib..."
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...that's ill hahahah

on second listen i LOVE this album. it plays more like an official mixtape, but the guest list looks a lot more crowded on paper; bt still manages to get his no matter who he's on

i wish truck north had rapped more...i fucks w/ dude mad hard

but all in all...i'd have to say this is the roots best album since things fall apart.

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219. "the j dilla riff at the end of 'Lost Desire' is fantastic...."
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I remember hearing it when I heard the snippets. So dope!

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435. "I don't hear it?"
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I think I do but then I don't, help?

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439. "the interlude at the end of "Lost Desire"..."
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it's a replay of the original that Dilla jacked for "Don't Nobody Care About Us"...



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486. "lol"
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I've told a few peeps about that dilla riff and their going nuts because they can't find it...lol
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223. "Hooks"
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Does anyone know who's singing the hooks on:

Criminal
I Can't Help It
Singing Man
Lost Desire

?

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225. "criminal is john-john, last heard on 'living in a new world' from GT"
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232. "RE: criminal is john-john, last heard on 'living in a new world' from GT"
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thanks
he's got a really interesting voice

anyone know the rest?

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327. "RE: Hooks"
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>Does anyone know who's singing the hooks on:
>
>Criminal
John-John
>I Can't Help It
Mercedes Martinez
>Singing Man
Dice Raw
>Lost Desire
?
>?

Fuck a sig.

  

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371. "RE: Hooks"
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thanks

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346. "Dude, it's ?uest singing on the Lost Desire hook."
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It's great, but also funny to me.

Mercedes is on like every other damn hook. That's cool though.

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227. "Already pre-ordered and paid so Inbox that shit."
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230. "whatever"
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nevermind

  

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247. "awesome reply"
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check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
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280. "If that wasn't the 100th time someone has said that..."
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I'd think it was clever.

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229. "very nice"
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besides criminal i'm really feeling this joint.. like we back at TFA..




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231. "the pow wow"
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Is that real? like a real argument that makes no sense to the outside listener except you hear record label and something about doing it for the love or something....what is that?? The album is pretty damn good I think...also the Al Green album is really good, if its a good year for money I may get both

  

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233. "RE: the pow wow"
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i think it makes perfect sense.
?uest getting mad about the initial promotional push behind the roots around the time of dywm?!!!??!.
same problem going on now, 14 years later.
perfect intro.

  

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236. "RE: the pow wow"
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>perfect intro.


Definitely

  

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234. "as i understand it"
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tariq, ahmir, and rich were sayin that management was trying to dictate the roots' every move and the roots saw no reward/profit as a result because management wasn't doing their job... so what's the point of busting your ass to do your grind and then have to jump through hoops then end up seeing nothing from it?

then aj shine (their former mgr) was telling them that the world isn't perfect and basically the only way to be rewarded for your hard work in the industry is to have your own label and that his management agency was doing all they could for the roots...and he was saying that tariq misunderstood how exactly the woman from management disrespected him... it was completely a different type of disrespect lol

  

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239. "RE: as i understand it"
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yeah its explained in the end of the whole thing I missed out on that the first listen...

  

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238. "I'm buying a copy for me and one for my daughter"
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241. "one for me and one for niece (n/m)"
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243. "After 2 full listens"
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I like this better than Organix, DYWM?!!!??!, Phrenology, The Tipping Point, and Game Theory.

  

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244. "*waits til the 29th*"
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246. "Am I the only one who thinks "Singing Man" is the best track?"
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262. "sometimes i'm thinkin' the same thing...."
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.....sonically er'thing on that song just fits........Ahmir who's that on the hook though?



.....Truck really kills his verse too.....

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265. "uuuummmm..."
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that would be good ol dice ..........




North$ide....




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268. "Ahhhh....good ol' Golden Boy....LOL"
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....wus the deal fam!? yo, you showed ya ass on this album ock......so The Golden Boy tryin' to be a crooner huh.....that's wus'sup....you prolly don't even remember when we was done there at the Grammy jawn this year trippin' off Dice n'that Solid Gold members only do you?????

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316. "sounds like dice takin vocal lessons from cee-lo"
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revolution75
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251. "ugh.....this shit is whack....lol"
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can't say it's a classic after the first listen
(took me 3 years to GET illadelph)
but y'all put y'all foot in this one
it's about time some muggs made some paranoid rap like that paranoid norman whitfield/dramatics shit

unwritten...dayum....

right now @@@@/@@@@@

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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252. "This might be the Roots best sequenced album."
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I always felt like the first three albums were overstuffed and hard to listen to in one sitting, and this album is short, sweet, and flows effortlessly. The intro and interludes compliment the album instead of interrupt, which is hard to do.

Criminal ---> I will not apologize ---> I can't help it is the best 3 song punch I've heard since In Rainbows.

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Messiah4976
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264. "RE: This might be the Roots best sequenced album."
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>and this album is short,
>sweet, and flows effortlessly. The intro and interludes
>compliment the album instead of interrupt, which is hard to
>do.




....^^^^^^this has been the only way i've been able to justify why i think this is really their best effort......and the odd thing about it you'd think the day's of guest spots on every track would be kinda drawin' but er'body did they thing......@15 to 75 Bars is the best interlude-to-song transition ever ......

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254. "shit is ridiculoid. i can't wait to destroy my car speakers with this."
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Clark Kent
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263. "my description."
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no dope beats. no dope rhymes. great music. great songwriting. frustrations I relate with. one of a kind. hard drums. guitars you can hear. funky bass. getting kicked in the teeth with timbs keys. menacing. bright. dismal. The Roots sounding like a band ON RECORD. great display of rapping from established emcees. promising display of talent from up and comers. great display of talent. music I always wish The Roots would've made. hip hop. if you dont get that its hip hop then let me point you to the door. JAM!.

NICE TRY KOWALSKI

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quality music all the time.

  

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266. "it gets better with every listen..."
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and it was already great on the first listen.


but I would like to know the thought process behind making Unwritten so short... that coulda easily been one of the best songs on the album. And uhhh, ya know... if a longer cut exists, you know the okayplayers would love a treat!

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284. "off one listen unwritten was my initial favorite track"
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i don't understand either..

  

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323. "uh....cause he gets killed?"
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check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

  

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325. "lol"
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good answer.

lets say i wish there was more storytelling before he gets shot then.

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339. "man put truck north and porn on the remix then that shit is amazin"
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That should shut any Thought naysayer up right there......he ripped I will not apologize to shreds to.

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L.E.S.
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428. "RE: man put truck north and porn on the remix then that shit is amazin"
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yeah please..

picked the wrong beat to cut short..

they dropped the ball with that one.. that felt like the "Long Time" of this record..

wouldve stayed on repeat

oh well

  

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373. "damn"
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if he didn't die that woulda been a classic track. lol

  

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Messiah4976
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269. "wus the deal wit the Aussie version....."
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....how does The Grand Return sound.....

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271. "switched my version around on the ipod"
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i removed the intro, @15, and the outro

now i don't have to skip any tracks. my only nitpicking complaint is i wish the unwritten joints were full songs. everything else about the record is pure dope.

  

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278. "RE: wus the deal wit the Aussie version....."
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>....how does The Grand Return sound.....

grand return is VERY nice, one of my faves so far actually
starts with medieval sounding organ chords
followed by a rolling synth bassline
and minimal but hard hitting drums
riq only has one verse, but it's nice
dice raw and wadud on the chorus
ends with a SICK distorted guitar riff

it's short 2:24 but i think it would have
done just fine on the american release
fits with the vibe of the album
(though it made me want to hear more from kirk)

  

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fowler
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286. "RE: wus the deal wit the Aussie version....."
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grand return is one of the best tracks on there. Goes v.well with rising up at the end.

  

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Troubled Spirits
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275. "Damn"
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This may take a few days to sink in. At first, I'm slightly underwhelmed, but I was the same way with "Game Theory," and that grew on me massively and might be my favorite Roots album now.

My biggest issue is that I played "Rising Down," "Get Busy" and "75 Bars" to death (my fault, admittedly) so I skip those for now.

Now, for the meat and potatoes:

- "Criminal" - Lord do I love this song. Everything is perfect. The beat is sick, everyone rips there verses. It's lovely.

- "I Will Not Apologize" - Perfect in any way. I wish The Roots used horns in their studio songs more, but this shit is perfect. What a tribute to Fela.

- "Unwritten" - Man, do I wish this song was longer. Mercedes is majestic on it. I wish this wasa full song.

- Porn rips the shit out of every verse. Now I see why HOV was so interested in him.


In general, I just love the communal feel of the album (having Malik and Dice, plus plenty of guests), a feeling that hasn't been this fully realized since "things fall apart" and "illadelph halflife" (it was partially renewed in "game theory."

It'll definately stay in my car and iPod for the next few months. By then I'll be able to REALLY judge where this album stands for me.


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83
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276. "damn i could listen to the "criminal" instrumental for hours..."
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such a pretty track.

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279. "@@@"
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Glad to hear less BT.
Im feeling the hard tracks, but none of them wierdo coffe shop shits.
Best competetion is roots in the past.

http://www.icompositions.com/artists/MauriceMichaels

http://www.imeem.com/people/Lw9dWFX

http://www.youtube.com/user/mauricemichaels

  

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287. "close minds get the slug"
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Go Bucs, Braves, Hawks!

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355. "I like the album because there is less black thought"
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I hope they continue to take this approach, and even get an entire new line up including lead rapper.


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377. "lol, and they should change their name too.."
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black eyed peas or something.
ya that'd be cool.....


wtf?




  

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83
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281. "LOL looks like black thought has the common 'daughter's eyes' disease"
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peep "i will not apologize".

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285. "I'd like to thank The Roots for making great music"
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I can relate to
There's not one album I don't like,
they're an inspiration..

Rising Down is great, beautiful, intense...
Classic Material forever.

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83
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290. "anyone that doesn't like 'criminal', your opinon is suspect to me."
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83
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292. "how is that not talib on "i will not apologize"?"
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my tags on itunes dont mention him, but damn if it doesnt sound exactly like him.

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294. "it is him"
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thats how haha

  

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342. "That shit confused me too."
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I'm looking at the tracklisting on the back cover, and he doesn't have a main feature credit... it's just (ftg. Porn and Dice).

I was like, "Damn, this Porno dude sounds exactly like Kweli!"


Kweli's name is in the liner credits under "chorus vocals" though.

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83
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293. "lol at some people on the web saying there isnt enough black thought"
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first yall say he is boring and bringing the roots down, then they add alot of guests and theres not enough thought.

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AK06
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296. "With the thickness of the Synths,"
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Im almost suspecting some Dillinja DnB shit. Esp at the start of 'The Show'...

That what this album feels like to me, thick, hot and heavy Junglist hip hop.

I fucking love it......

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Why did the elephant get lost?

Because the jungle was massssive!

  

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298. "it feels like GT's "Amnesiac""
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Or Game Theory's lost second disc.

  

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319. "interesting."
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(i'm not here, & won't be for awhile, but this was thought provoking....)






*slips back into darkness*

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Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

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343. "I agree with this."
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299. "i really like it but argh... it feels like theres not enough melody"
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in too many of the songs or something. i like the heavy synth sound, just seems to be too much of it. i really really like and respect all the songs (criminal to unwritten inclusive is amazing) but i don't have the urge to listen like i normally do and i think thats why. hope it clicks with me soon.

ive got it pre-ordered though obviously, my favourite band always get my support.


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Robert
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300. "the "album dip""
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i felt the same thing from "i will not apologize" thru "the show" ("unwritten" withstanding) that i got with GT after "here i come".

that side A is beautiful though. and i agree w/ whoever said "rising up" might be best single since "you got me". it'd make for a great show opener too.

the mix throughout the album is so nice too.


  

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302. "RE: the &quot;album dip&quot;"
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i actually prefer that second half of GT.

long time, livin', clock with no hands, atonement and can't stop this are amzing imo. whereas ive never really liked don't feel right and couldn't get into in the music that much. baby, game theory and take it there are all great though

but to stay on topic lol, the dip for me here is definitely lost desire and the show.

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k_flow
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301. "Did Hub play on this album???"
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most of the basslines sound like keys. This is the biggest adjustment for me. I like the album though. I think there's a few album fillers though, 2 or 3. Overall I like it, it's different, which is now becoming the norm for roots albums. I'll cop it when officially drops.

  

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336. "^^hasn't listened or bought a Roots album since TFA^^"
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just fuckin' with you man...LOL...

Hub left last year (maybe 2 years ago?)...

The new bass player is some cat named Owen...



<<< Yeah, I know him. DVS does too.

Then: http://tinyurl.com/2uapll
Now: http://tinyurl.com/ypo9x4 | www.weareomniverse.com | www.myspace.com/treblemusick
Later: ROTDC::08/08

  

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347. "owen biddle, to be exact"
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and dude is a BEAST on the bass from what i hear

Play me for a stepping stone
Then, I landmine
-Wale-

  

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452. "RE: ^^doesn't read the album credits^^"
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On Game theory, Hub is at least listed as a composer but I haven't seen the credits on Rising down because I don't actually have the album yet. Anyway, there are a couple of live bass lines on the tracks but most of it is keys. I know Hub left, just wonderin if he worked on this album. It doesn't really sound like he did..

  

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drokphrend
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375. "RE: Did Hub play on this album???"
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to me it looks like khari ferrari (bass player from nouveau riche) is responsible for all the bass on this joint. i got the hard copy and his name is all over the production credits

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HighVoltage
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382. "nah, he co-produces beats"
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that the roots then replay live

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303. "I hope yall actually go out and buy that shit."
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Anfernee
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335. "I just bought it, man."
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I haven't bought an album on its release date since... I can't even remember (maybe the last De La album?).

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bigr2k
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304. "Further proof"
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(Taking it back to the most basic of e-thug arguments)
The Roots > *.

get at the best hip-hop page on the net @ http://www.sumish.com

also get at the radio show
straight outta illvine @ http://www.kucihiphop.com

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phenompyrus
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305. "Having let it sit in for a day..."
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The album is pretty damn solid, and gets better with each listen.

Rising Down, Get Busy, Criminal, I Can't Help It, and Rising Up are my favs thus far.

@ 15 is a nice treat, and I bet there are many a freestyles laying around.

I don't understand why some are hating on the guest rappers, cause they all kill it (P.O.R.N. especially, it's just too bad that his name will hold him back).

My only real complaint is that Birthday Girl definitely should of still been on there. I think it has a dark feel to it even if it doesn't sound that way. It also would of provided them with a great first single. Like the album, this song gets better with each listen.

Again, this is still too early to place it among their complete catalog, but I think I am liking this more than GT so far. Stay tuned...

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buildingblock
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307. "get busy is that stizzy! them drums is insane"
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and then when you see him in the video, it just goes together, the insane look he possesses and the stiffedness...them shits go, joe!

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Levar Burden
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308. "might be yalls worst album to date"
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im mad dissapointed
sounded like this album was gonna be one big adrenaline rush at first
from pow wow to 75 bars it bangs...loved that part
then this wierd emo country shit comes on from become unwritten to the show
what happend to the beats?
the generic choruses?
the album just slumps right after 75 bars

  

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sfMatt
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309. "I can't get over how lush everything feels"
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the mixing and mastering are phenomenal...

and we're listening to fucking MP3s of this shit

  

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Ink_Spot
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310. "It is a solid album.....not.."
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the best I have heard from them by a long stretch, but solid...a @@@...75 Bars, Criminal, I Can't Help it, The Grand Return, Lost Desire and Rising Down (hum drum) are my jawns. I have even come to like like Birthday Girl as it has grown on me. A good album, but far from very good, or even the over-used C word. A nice effort.

  

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311. "HAHAHA@the De La joke in the hidden track"
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Be fearless...

"And the night I fought Sonny, I heard a few southerners at ringside say 'Sonny, knock that nigger out! The nigger talks too much!'
And we laughed, didn't we, because his seat cost two hundred and fifty dollars..."---Muhammad Ali

  

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Deebot
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312. "75 BARS"
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whoa

  

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Deebot
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324. "nominee for best hip hop track of the year"
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Deebot
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313. "I Can't Help It is some dark shit"
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lol

  

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illeagle
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315. "that porn verse gives me chills"
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321. "LOVE porn on that one"
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Deebot
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322. "Love the porn!"
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CondoM
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326. "He has the worst name in hip-hop lol. He murdered his verses though."
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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Shonuff
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329. "i think you mean best name in Hiphop"
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every prsn that searches "porn" on youtube or other sites is gonna get the roots

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selppataei
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317. "thumbs up."
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i liked those essentially-bt-solo-albums, so i'm not thrilled by the abundance of guests, but it doesn't hurt that they acquit themselves quite well.

it's interesting to listen to "live at..." and hear how much the roots have changed sonically from dywm. you know, "you can't go home again." the whole aesthetic of hardcore hip-hop has changed. if rising down is supposed to be a return to hardcore hip-hop, then game theory was hardcore hip-hop too.

as soon as i get the itunes version, i'm sticking "birthday girl" at the end, just to see how it feels. it is a topical song, albeit whimsically delivered. i still think it should've been the proper lead single (with a proper push)...

...then knock 'em out with "rising up", whose hook i have been singing for about a week, damn it. great drumming--full of life. i love chrisette, with all my heart, and would like to go out on a couple of dates with her.

?uesto, is there an extended version of "unwritten" done? and which american retail versions have bonus tracks, if any?

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acedro
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330. "y'all get better and better"
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dope ass album

  

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numark216
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331. "Yo, this nigga Porn is murdering his verses"
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The rumble on I cnat Help it is amazing. Kweli does a great job with his two guest appearances. The more i listen to this jawn the more i feel BT's emotions coming through. Like his inflection is on that old head "im tired" shit. Thats not a diss cause his darts are sharp but he sound fucking world-weary.

In the context of the album i can see where birthday girl could have been the 2nd to last joint but it doesnt hold up to everything else on the album.

The soncs are hard and dense on this joint, im on a stereo right now and its thumping my apartment, it should be beastly in the whip.

  

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Clark Kent
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337. "It is beastly in the whip."
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NICE TRY KOWALSKI

In Rotation-
quality music all the time.

  

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Russel Simmons Day Job
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333. "good sequencing and the switch up on I CANT HELP IT is nice"
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Criminal is a BEAST of a record too..i'm diggin this album all the way around 360

  

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338. "**looks in mailbox***shakes fist at sky.....hurry up dammit!"
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i refuse to dl this one, i'm still waiting for my copy to come in the mail

i'll be back....

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392. "just got it today....5 tracks in.....this shit is HOT!"
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the roots did it again man, i love these guys

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HighVoltage
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340. "2 versions of the pow wow..."
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one has music, one is just the phone convo sans music.

i prefer the one w/the backing music as if i feel it sets the tone.

curious to see which one is on the final cut come Tuesday.

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344. "noticed that too"
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i think the aussie version doesn't have the backing music. i don't know which one i like more cuz i like the backing track, but i also like how you can understand what is being said better without it.

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370. "i took it away"
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too melodratic

without the music it feels like you are eavesdropping on a convo and you understand all that is said.

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selppataei
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349. "the one with music..."
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...adds depth to "the show".

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454. "link up that original"
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please

  

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donwill
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341. "as far as roots catalog this is top 3"
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im not gonna order em but ill say that tfa and dywm have never left top 3 status

this shit right HERE (c) katt williams

nigga... NIGGA........

and like von said.. that intro/outro shit...
its eerie how close to home that shit hits

for real

down to wrecking the fucking rental....
just wow

yall niggas nailed it tho
concise, to the point, and jam fucking packed with jams

kudos

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Anfernee
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345. "Oh shit... is this ?uest's singing debut?"
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The "Lost Desire" hook is wild to me.

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348. "Rising Up too"
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474. "yessir."
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who looks outside, dreams.
who looks inside, awakes.

नमस्ते

  

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weirdscience
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350. "For Future Request and Reference"
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I've listened to the album a good 10 times...not counting my many replays of Unwritten, The Show, and other tracks...

its really a beautiful piece of work, but I know my friends are going to be haters because they don't really get the whole sense of paranoia shit, the musicality shit, and really they're not into the shit like me...but I will say this, I love the album how it is, but one day there ought to be some of the following...

1) a lil' more than a couple of upbeat tunes

2) okay so you know how to get back to make an Al Green record sound like an Al Green record after he's aged, so your saying you can't make Black Thought rowdy?? I didn't even really get why that whole idea was dismissed because of his age, cuz I went to like 6 or 7 roots shows last year and he was goin' off.

3) if as a fan and would want to make one request of all requests, itd be to go back to that old Rawkus records sound (I know that sounds odd), but like you guys were really a part of my listening along with all those guys on that label...the quality in production sounds, along with Dilla and SV...it was like really these great beats, that would make you think that every motherfucker back then was getting pussy/ comfortable/ hungry/ and doing different shit...now I know its hard to get what I'm saying because I'm pretty bad at being articulate...but on the real I was in 8th grade, and all those songs defined the city that I was living in, and really that whole era for me...songs like unwritten come close to that, and I've loved songs from Tipping Point, Phernology...but if you could take alot of fans back to that era in music... people would be going ape shit, I'd be going ape shit

all and all great record
smart record
I'm gonna try to convince the doubters

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351. "RE:"
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Got the australian version on friday so ive listened to it around 10 times. I'll do that generic song by song review

1) pow wow


2) rising down (5/5)- A really atmospheric track, sombre intro to rising downs sound with some great verses. especially from mos who sounds better than he has in a long time. the sample is used really well, especially at the start of the track.

3)Get busy (5/5)- This is such a sinister track, aggressive, girtty and violent. This song works really well right after rising down. Really captures the constant tension between sadness and anger on the album. Its great to hear all the verses are bitter and angry like that baseline. I think peedi crack justt made me an instant fan with this verse.

4) @15 - this is a really great lead into 75 bars, shows how the world has changed black thought, clever

5) 75 bars- (4.5/5) This track everyone has heard but its even stronger in the context of the album. The drums are so loose,rough and hard. The second half of thoughts verse is up there with web in terms of being unquestionable cocky brilliance. I get the feeling the album cover was chosen with direct reference to this song.

6) becoming unwritten- sonically this is really interesting, i'd like to hear the story behind why this wasn't fleshed out as a full song. Intended as a brief moment of happiness maybe?.

7) Criminal (5/5). At first the chorus threw me off, i didn't expect this at all but it turned out to be one of the best tracks. That indie rock chorus is really effective, one of the best hooks on the album. The verses are some of the best as well. This is likely to become one of my favourite roots songs. The beat sounds like a uplifting song trying to escape from a deeply sad one, a great moment.

8) I will not apologise (3.75/5). Nice verses, nice hook, beat is reasonable.

9) I can't help it (5/5). Wow, the moment the beat and chorus reach full effect is as exciting and haunting as the first time hearing the beat drop out on "step into the realm". The drums have a eerie quality, sounding far away and muffled yet loud. Questlove really put the work into the drums on this album, even more so than game theory. I really didn't expect this at all, probably my favorite track on the album...that choruses sounds like the results of a drugged nightmare. The verse are perfect, malik and porn really suit this style. I feel like this song takes the sonic qualities of "in the music" and pushes them further. The funky outro at the end was also a "no way!" moment. some of the roots best work period

10) singing man (2/5). This song could of been something really interesting but the terrible chorus really distracts from what otherwise is a good track. maybe it will grow on me in time.


11) unwritten (5/5) simply beautiful but frustratingly short. Thoughts verss is excellent and perfectly understate. I can see why this track was made so short, a reflection on the running theme of a terrible world with brief moments of hope. But is still wish it was even a minute longer.


12) lost desire (5/5) perfectly paranoid beat with jittery synth stabs and a strong chorus. Once again the drums are quite dope. The instrumental outro is also a great moment.

13) The show (4/5) An all round great track, the great production elements are more understated than in some of the other tracks. Common doesnt sound out of place at all to me.

14) rising up (5/5). I great moment of hope at the end of a rather sombre and bitter ride. Funky, creative and fun without straying too far from the albums sonic qualities. This one gets better with each listen.


15) B-day Girl (3/4). This songs has grown on me a great deal and works well at the end of the album, almost as an ironic statement not to take everything so seriously. Not the roots best work but harmless enough to be pleasant. Though the end of the song hints at what could of been done with the whole song, missed opportunity maybe

16) The grand return (4.5/5) Its the classic bragidoccio roots song that reminds me of "what you want". This track is really great, i think it should of been on the american release aswell. its cocky brilliance once more.

17) pow wow 2 ( has some music near the end)

overall: This is a really fantastic album with some classic moments, but i cant decide where it fits amongst the roots catalogue. Ill give it a few weeks before i can decide, its at least as good as game theory....which was a great album as well. I was really happy it sounded very different to game theory, even though it deals with similar themes. The amount of guest was a nice addition, really helped soften the blow of such a sonically focused album.

packaging: The cover is really effective when looking at it in the cd sleave. The australian cover has something printed on the front covering the design which is a bit lame. The back cover has the cover without this distraction but instad has website printed all over the bottom half, man thats annoying. I was a bit disappointed about the lack of liner notes. other artwork or even lyrics..but i guess this was more a factor of costs and defjams decision.

  

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354. "RE:"
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>8) I will not apologise (3.75/5). Nice verses, nice hook, beat
>is reasonable.
I'm shocked so many people think this song is average.it's one of my favorite Roots songs ever.imho all three verses are incredible but Thought And Porn murked it.The beat=dope, i start bouncing in my seat as soon as this track starts,and the hook makes me want to punch random citizens in the face!


>10) singing man (2/5). This song could of been something
>really interesting but the terrible chorus really distracts
>from what otherwise is a good track. maybe it will grow on me
>in time.

Another song i like a whole lot,and one of my favorite things about it is the chorus.lol! The only chorus on the cd that i don't like is the "I can't help it" jawn.That song has dope ass verses,incredible production,but i don't care for the chorus much @ all.

other than these small differences i view the cd pretty much the way you did.This is definitely one of my favorite Roots albums.

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weston24
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definitely agree on i will not apologize, really dont get the dislike for that song. porns verse on there is one of the highlights of the album for me.

albums really grown on me now, after i was starting to dislike it. up there with game theory for me.

other highlights: the end of i can't help it (although yer, thats the weakest hook imo too), porns verse on i can't help it (wow), the hook on unwritten and peedi on get busy.

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Zarathuckya
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352. "Inspiration for I will not apologise?"
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Say hello methinks...

Fuckin dope album by the way, congrats, and respect for dropping Bday Girl.

  

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357. "."
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this is album is sooo ill. it's sinking in with each listen.

P.O.R.N's verse on "I Can't Help It" is almost scene stealing like AZ on Illmatic.

  

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358. "just got the physical & tee in the mail!"
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the shirt is great, & it comes with a little ad poster too.

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364. "you get mail on sunday?"
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367. "Saturday."
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I was away this weekend.

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359. "Did they make you pay for "The Pee Wee Dance!??!""
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Or was that of your own accord? Cause I hear a similarity, but it's different enough to not have credited it. "Get Busy" is an ill track though on an equally ill album. Can't wait to see the new stuff live 5/25.

It’s a form of meditation. It puts me in that consciousness state where I need to be. Because it’s an evil world out there, a very evil world. You gotta get past all that shit. Music keeps your soul good (C) Oh No

  

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361. "all me."
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F O C U S
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365. "Better safe than sorry I guess."
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I woulda never put the two together.

It’s a form of meditation. It puts me in that consciousness state where I need to be. Because it’s an evil world out there, a very evil world. You gotta get past all that shit. Music keeps your soul good (C) Oh No

  

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360. "I really like it, but it's only hitting like, 90% for me, and i think..."
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...it's the choruses on the second half. Singing man and the show stand out the most as being underdeveloped and boring.

But overall, it's a very solid album. A few of my thoughts:

-this album feels like a celebration, what with all of their friends on tracks, and the intersplicing of the old demos and phone calls and such. it's really looking back while looking forward. this is a distinctive and cool feel only the roots could achieve.
-really not as "synthy" as i thought it was going to be.
-fav. tracks: get busy, 75 bars, i will not apologize, rising up
-i hope someone does a full on dub remix of i will not apologize, awesome feel on that track.
-p.o.r.n.'s verse on i can't help it is awesome.
-peedi crakk sounds like mc pee pants (from aqua teen) a bit on get busy
-i like the intro to the show, it sounds like the intro to Curtis (mayfield)

but overall, another solid release from the boys, with some definite highlights, but some definite detractors, too. and it's shit you can look at objectively, without having to compare it to any of their other releases

peace
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362. "yeah, the hooks are the only things bothering me."
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But I've listened to it about 16 times now anyway.

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363. "humbly submitted for your perusal"
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my reaction to the first third or so, after a couple of days of no other music:

http://kaleidoscopik.com/2008/04/27/rising-down-comments-1-of-3/

  

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366. "Good writin'"
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368. "Orded my cd last Wed. and got it in yesterday"
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and I haven't stopped listening to this album. I agree with what everyone is saying positive wise but I have one problem.

Why the fuck is no one talking about Malik B. (specifically that is). This nigga killed it. It really is nice to hear him back stronger than ever.



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372. "The album sounds great! What the Tipping Point should have been..."
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Thanks to ?uest and the entire Roots crew. Keep bringing us that hot music.

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374. "My review comes out tomorrow, but you can pick 6 songs from this"
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album and make a better album than most that were released last year and so far this year. Great fuckin' album.

  

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376. "Production Question"
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So what are Kamal, Kirk and Owen's contributions to this album? If the song says produced by the Roots (I just copped the physical version, yea the store jumped the release date) does that mean all parties are involved? Cause I noticed that Khari Ferrari has his fingerprints all over this album, which certainly is not a bad thing cause I feel like he was part of what upped the ante on Game Theory. But I'm just curious what it really means when a track says produced by the "Roots"...and who are Tahir Jamal and Ritz Reynolds? Thank ya and this shit is hot...although I don't know about an album full of bangers...haha but close..Rising Up is my favorite on first listen..

my music: www.myspace.com/dresproduces

"im simply the cat that lay back, i chill and watch you, the silent ninja, intent to injure now i got you, sanity lost so now im found insane, thinkin streets to jeeps, hours days to weeks, i even speak to geeks..."

  

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378. "this shit is fire."
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the only points where the album slows down for me are the hook on "the show," and some parts of singing man. BUT the show's beat is awesome, singing man is awesome, and just start to finish, killing.
Rising down through i can't help it might be the greatest stretch of music i've heard in a minute.

I've never been in love with TFA. I recognize the genius, the craft, but it's not my roots album. Phrenology caught me more with it's extreme experimentalism, and RD destroys it with consistency, with that dark catchy shit every song. fuck xxl, bol, all the lessonheads that shit all over your music. This is the most solid, consistent, ass kicking album i've heard out of the roots or hip hop. for me at least, this is noughts ('00's) hip hop. this is generational shit.

RIP Maynard Ferguson

  

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379. "it came in the mail on saturday!"
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already sounding like one of my top roots albums.... in depth still to come

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380. "im going to take credit for it starting from track # 128"
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?uest had

"coming soon! 127-140

4/29/08"

in his sig for quite a long time

and then on feb 24th i posted in this 75 bars thread

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1585611&mesg_id=1585611&listing_type=search#1586748

"just noticed something, Rising Down should be 128-141 as bread and butter would be #127 if GT was track listed that way. "

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1585611&mesg_id=1585611&listing_type=search#1586748


but anyway, enough of that most probably false sense of importance lol, the album arrived today and it's great. it's not their most easily accesible album but the overall mood, mastering and sequencing of RD reminds me of TFA (my fave roots album). ?uests drumming is most definately more pronounced on this album, yet thought seems to take a back seat by not really having that many verses, yet they guests definately make up for this with some impressive cameos from the likes of mos, styles p, saigon and porn.

  

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381. "Strategic leak fools fans again"
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Just like Finding Forever and Graduation the 4 songs that were leaked/previewed were BY FAR the best this album had to offer and I know the thinking behind releasing your best material first (obviously) but in the end it makes the album seem so much weaker when nothing else measures up. Those 4 are fire but the rest of this is severely lacking and there is some straight trash/instant deletes here too.

BTW

  

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383. "RE: Strategic leak fools fans again"
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and there is
>some straight trash/instant deletes here too.
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>BTW


FOH

  

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385. "strong, strong, album...."
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all opinions are valid and deserve a certain amount of respect....for those who have had a chance to take in this album a little, and don't feel the power resonating from this cohesive record i'm at a loss for words....

thanks RC...see you guys out there.

jay elec dropped the ball by not showing up on this....

cheers....

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386. "i thoroughly disagree"
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the leaked tracks were dope but i feel the other cuts are even better. loving this album

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384. "Even my daddy likes it!!"
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<<Mood...Poppy Okotcha in Look 1 at Ashish Fall 2016
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387. "y'all are gonna need to post up a d/l for the grand return"
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i'm jealous of the aussies for that

just got my cd, dem liner notes are bare bones...

nonetheless, i'm at 6 listens or so already and its siiiiiiick. shit is hard as hell, tight album. like it more then GT maybe, which i love...

  

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389. "RE: y'all are gonna need to post up a d/l for the grand return"
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UK's got Grand Return also. Got my copy today and is one of my favourite tracks on whole album.

Someone up'd it in okay artists forum.

  

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388. "Got my CD!!!! got my T!!! *continues to listen to Rising Down over and o..."
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390. "Nice allmusic.com review of RD..."
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http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3xfoxzljldje

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391. "Singing Man"
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I still get chills when I listen to the verses. I got a bit thrown off by Black's verse because it doesn't appear to be from first-person like P.O.R.N's and Truck North's.


Byahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (c) Dave Chappelle

  

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394. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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after a few listens it seems to me like most albums that cutting down the length greatly improves listenability, my tracklisting;

Pow Wow - great opening, not just some random bsing
Rising Down - solid single
Get Busy - solid single
75 Bars - dirtier than Bruce Bowen defence
Criminal - beat really brings the lyrics forward
I Will Not Apologize - great hook, amazing beat
I Can't Help it - catchy as hell
Singing Man - scary distorted track
Lost Desire - Talib sounds great here
The Show - great track, not a "typical" roots sound but still fresh
Rising Up - solid single

overall a great album, nothing mind blowing, no beats that are "club-bangers" but definately some I'd want to hear on a saturday night

better than game theory imo, and as long as the next is an improvment on this Quest and the band will continue to get my 9.99 from HMV and 40 and change from a concert

  

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396. "Dice stepped his game up"
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like 4 notches.

He fit really well on this album.

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423. "DICE RAW is as much apart of this album as Black Thought"
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and thats not slighting Riq..

DICE KILLS IT

  

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397. "got mine in the mail today"
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fawkin' amazing. love this shit. only on my second listen and i must say this is my favorite album since blu & exile. this is becoming my favorite album from y'all.

amazing work.

  

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398. "Moms & Pops store had it early today...."
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On my second go around right now, all I gotta say is ya'll done did it again. Nothing else is getting play for the next week, lol!!!

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399. "i just copped if off of itunes"
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can't wait to hear it.

  

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400. "Darkest effort to date imo"
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This album has a very ominous atmosphere to me.
I found GT to be dark but this joint is like saying
Candyman in the mirror 5 times and he appears with this
joint in his ipod. I like dark sounding records.......

Preliminary favs for me are-

Rising Down-Sets the mood right thats my favorite beat so far
Every MC killed it but Styles P man he really was hitting on some
shit. @@@@@

75 bars- Thought's endurace and passion is unmatched.
@@@@@

Criminal- kinda on the fence with this one
starting to grow on me though.
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I Will Not Apologize- Pure sickness! this beat really moves.
the gothic string/organ? is nice somehow this track reflects the albums artwork most to me. don't know why just my 2 cents. each MC rode the beat to perfection.
@@@@@

I Can't Help It- Malik B good to hear his flow
Thoughts best verse imo(wow),P.O.R.N-damn
dude said "my mother had an abortion for the wrong child"
his whole verse was disturbingly nice.
@@@@

Lost Desire-Nice Malik B comes through with his best verse imo
still gotta grow on me a lil have not listend to thsi track alot yet.
@@@ 1/2

Rising Up-
Grew up in DC so feeling the Go-Go beat up in there,
good to see Wale getting that DC shine. Thought
shouting out R.E?..... yeeeeah!!
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401. "After a first listen in the car I was real disappointed.."
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Now after a second run at home I am blown away. Keeps growing on me.

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402. "RE: After a first listen in the car I was real disappointed.."
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Been a weak year so far but The Roots just made it a great year, as I said in another thread the album is excellent and it clicked right away the first time I heard it.

  

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403. "The Pitchfork review: 7.8 swipe...duck..."
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http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/50242-rising-down

The Roots
Rising Down

Rating: 7.8
Buy it from Insound
Download it from Emusic
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It's gotten to the point where I can't even imagine the Roots being soft anymore. Not to be dismissive of their first few albums, which were thoughtful without being mushy or maudlin, but their three Def Jam records-- the underrated/overhated alleged-sellout The Tipping Point, the tightly-knit return to rawness Game Theory, and now Rising Down-- are so singularly focused on a kind of distilled, uninhibited force that it's now difficult to think of the Roots as anything but intelligently aggressive firebrands.

You don't throw on these albums if you want to chill out, and Rising Down does more than any of them to express, precisely and without compromise, a specifically African-American but increasingly universal strain of anxiety and frustration. A lot of Rising Down's urgency and immediacy owes to the massive guest roster. The Roots' Philly core of affiliates-- vets Dice Raw, Peedi Peedi, and Truck North, former member Malik B., and relative newcomer/search engine nightmare P.O.R.N.-- appear on more than half the record's songs, and they help give the record a sense of a communal strength in numbers; their appearances on vicious throwdown "Get Busy" (with the some deft cuts from Philly's legendary DJ Jazzy Jeff) and a stretch of tracks in the middle ("I Will Not Apologize", "I Can't Help It", and "Singing Man") feel like the spiritual and lyrical core of the album.

The guests from outside Philly work just as well: Talib Kweli spits with an atypically growly delivery on the anti-defeatist anthem "Lost Desire", Common displays glimpses of his late-1990s shine ruminating over tour fatigue on "The Show", Wale kills it with some so-corny-they're-great metaphors ("good rappers ain't eatin', they Olsen twinnin'") on "Rising Up", and Saigon's final verse on "Criminal" is the fierce peak of a three-MC slow lyrical burn. And while Styles P's turn on the title track works well enough (it's something to hear the dude behind "Good Times " go after the pharmaceutical industry), Mos Def's verse-- the first one on the whole record-- is one of the best he's ever done, and probably the best guest spot on Rising Down: "Identities in crisis and conflict diamonds/ Blindin', staring at lights till they cryin'/ Bone gristle popping from continuous grindin'."

But despite the massive ensemble cast, Black Thought is still the core of the record and the well-worn accusations of him being anti-charismatic feel largely false here. Most of his great moments come on tracks which feature a lot of other MCs' great moments, and after getting overshadowed on "Rising Down" (can any MC make the subject of global warming into a dope lyric?) he comes out swinging for the rest of the record. On "Singing Man", even with P.O.R.N. portraying himself as a vividly realized school shooter and Truck North putting together a disturbingly evocative characterization of a suicide bomber, Black Thought's depiction of an African child soldier justifying his violence ("13 year-old killer, he look 35/ He changed his name to Little No Man Survive") is both sharply written and unsettling. His delivery is a bit more varied than you might expect, too, particularly when he's rapping about getting underpaid like he's got a clenched jaw in "I Will Not Apologize" or sweating his way through a pills-and-stress panic attack on "I Can't Help It". And when he's turned loose on a hookless lyrical exhibition, Black Thought is nearly unstoppable; it's scary the way he blazes through the one-take assault of "75 Bars (Black's Reconstruction)", throwing out endless Big Daddy Kane-level proclamations of untouchability ("My hustle is long, my muscle is strong, my man put the paper in the duffel I'm gone/ Y'all still a light year from the level I'm on/ Just a pawn stepping right into the head of the storm"). The abrupt way it ends, it sounds like he could've gone on full throttle for another two hundred bars if someone hadn't taken a cleaver to the tape reel.

A revamped production style accompanies the deeper, darker lyrical tone, taking the aesthetic of Game Theory to its grimiest conclusion. Most of Kamal's keyboard work here isn't with the archetypal Fender Rhodes of Roots albums past; he's using a number of grimy analog synths that snarl and spit and hiss, the kind you hear in dead prez's "Hip Hop" or Outkast's "Stanklove" (or the J.B.'s' "Blow Your Head", for that matter). That racket combining with ?uestlove's fierce, crisp percussion makes for some diabolical rhythmic low-end, and since it dominates Rising Down's personality it gives the album the feeling of being this bionic monstrosity that just so happens to have a lot of headknock to it.

There are a couple of exceptions, like the guitar-driven midtempo Fela pastiche of "I Will Not Apologize" and the unexpected country-blues tinge to "Criminal", but they're rare breathers in an album that otherwise closes in on you. Only when the triumphant, old-school Roots return on the demi-go-go of "Rising Up" does it feel like the weight's been lifted, and even then something about it-- the endless Oprah/Travolta namedrop hook, the mawkish Chrisette Michele vocal about a crying b-girl, the overly tidy-sounding keyboards-- seems a bit out of place. (Maybe not as out-of-place as the now-infamous and super-creepy Patrick Stump collab "Birthday Girl", however; excising that disaster singlehandedly saved the album's character.) Rising Down isn't always an easy listen, but it's an exciting one, and its abrasiveness never gets in the way of a good throw-your-hands-up beat or a well-crafted lyric.

If you've been paying any damn attention to the world around you, most of Rising Down's messages ring familiar, and frequently true: This is an album that tells you the entertainment industry is turning into a coon show, the climate (both environmental and cultural) is getting fucked up, and broke people are still struggling. But this record states these ideas with respect to the notion that you know them already, and puts all the revelation and subtext into its unyielding sound. You could call it preaching to the converted, but it also feels like a reminder to the lapsed, less a wake-up call than a shot of renewed adrenaline.

  

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405. "It was a good review. Although they said it's their third Def Jam album."
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406. "RE: The Pitchfork review: 7.8 swipe...duck..."
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i think it's important to note, here and now, that this review is essentially saying that it's a great heavy record. they mess some shit up - 2 album with def jam, his grasp on "apologize" and "criminal" is a little shaky - but it's a really positive review. there's nothing particularly negative... matter of fact it's a little weak that they couldn't have sync'd up the grade&review and thrown some "best new music" on album so all the collegiate hipsters would know to buy it.

This is the important bit i think...:

>But despite the massive ensemble cast, Black Thought is still
>the core of the record and the well-worn accusations of him
>being anti-charismatic feel largely false here. Most of his
>great moments come on tracks which feature a lot of other MCs'
>great moments, and after getting overshadowed on "Rising Down"
>(can any MC make the subject of global warming into a dope
>lyric?) he comes out swinging for the rest of the record. On
>"Singing Man", even with P.O.R.N. portraying himself as a
>vividly realized school shooter and Truck North putting
>together a disturbingly evocative characterization of a
>suicide bomber, Black Thought's depiction of an African child
>soldier justifying his violence ("13 year-old killer, he look
>35/ He changed his name to Little No Man Survive") is both
>sharply written and unsettling. His delivery is a bit more
>varied than you might expect, too, particularly when he's
>rapping about getting underpaid like he's got a clenched jaw
>in "I Will Not Apologize" or sweating his way through a
>pills-and-stress panic attack on "I Can't Help It". And when
>he's turned loose on a hookless lyrical exhibition, Black
>Thought is nearly unstoppable; it's scary the way he blazes
>through the one-take assault of "75 Bars (Black's
>Reconstruction)", throwing out endless Big Daddy Kane-level
>proclamations of untouchability ("My hustle is long, my muscle
>is strong, my man put the paper in the duffel I'm gone/ Y'all
>still a light year from the level I'm on/ Just a pawn stepping
>right into the head of the storm"). The abrupt way it ends, it
>sounds like he could've gone on full throttle for another two
>hundred bars if someone hadn't taken a cleaver to the tape
>reel.

yeah that's right. start admitting you were wrong all along. looks like pitchfork decided to look past jokey lil wayne metaphors this morning for their lyrical breakfast.

big ups tariq. hopefully we'll be seeing more of this

RIP Maynard Ferguson

  

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436. "RE: The Pitchfork review: 7.8 swipe...duck..."
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>yeah that's right. start admitting you were wrong all along.
>looks like pitchfork decided to look past jokey lil wayne
>metaphors this morning for their lyrical breakfast

When I first read that review on pitchfork about Black Thought being boring I was throughly pissed. I still am but this is basically a case of hipsters not understanding the music. fuck em

  

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404. "unwritten is a really fucking nice track"
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408. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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It came in the mail yesterday and I've been listening to it ever since. I will admit, for a good half of the day, I got caught up in Criminal. I just kept replaying it and replaying it. Even put it on my ipod so that I could listen to it while waiting in line for GTA4.

Very solid CD. I love it.



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410. "man wtf....."
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so i stick the cd into my computer and all the track names is mixed up and shit! ONE OF THE TRACKS IS TITLED BIRTHDAY GIRL. that's mad deceiving yo...gots me all excited and shit. i'm happy with the album, i aint gonna go in depth and shit about each track.... but i'm pissed off without birthday girl. i understand "we" did it, but dude....

  

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411. "just got my copy"
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Now Playing:
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
The Pharcyde - Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde
Ice Cube - Death Certificate
Dr. Dre - The Chronic
Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

  

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412. "Criminal, Rising Up and Get Busy are my faves so far"
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I've listened to it once but those songs are already on rewind status.

That intro is the craziest interlude I think I've ever heard. Do they tape all their meetings/calls?

After finally hearing "Birthday Girl," it was not as horrid as I had imagined it would be. But I still doubt it would have been a "hit," because of the subject matter. And no matter how you slice it, Fall Out Boy and the Roots are a weird combination.

  

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413. "I dunno fam, I know I got different tastes than most of y'all but"
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This album is the best album i've heard in my entire life ever. Real talk. Better than the Beatles. Better than Dylan. Better than Radiohead. Ever.

  

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414. "whack. just whack."
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won't be buying.

*goes back to listening to live shows and old albums*

Red, Black, Green

  

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421. "let's hear about why homie"
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456. "just didn't sound good. *shrugs*"
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the content was nothin i'm interested in hearing and the beats and music wasn't attractive at all. nothing stuck in my ear as "i HAVE to hear this on repeat again and again" as there has always been on their previous albums.

Red, Black, Green

  

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415. "after three listens i'm realing feelin this album"
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I only listened to 75 bars and listened to Get Busy once so the album was really fresh for me. I like the tone that "The Pow Wow" introduced at the beginning of the album and the album flowed well throughout with @ 15, Lost Desire, Get Busy and Singing Man standing out the most imo.

  

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416. "Thumbs up so far."
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Nice to be excited to buy something the day it was released. Great arwtork, too.

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417. "On my second listen and I'm really diggin it."
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Picked it up at Best Buy on my lunch break and I'm on my second listen now. It's short but I like it. Wish we coulda got some of those Bonus tracks I've heard about and maybe some liner notes but those are only minor gripes.

I can tell this is going to be in rotation for a while.
So far I've heard most of it through computer work speakers but looking forward to hearing it in the car in an hour.

Good work, the Legendary remains the most consistent group in hip hop.

  

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418. "75 Bars (EDITED VERSION)"
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http://www.zshare.net/audio/11279520cce1a331/

it's almost pure comedy
but yo
fuck best buy for giving me the edited joint
knew i shouldn't have preordered off there
: /
whatever
joint is tight though

  

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419. "Almost done with my first listen (fuck downloading)"
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Just finished Rising Up, starting hidden track.

Dope album. Absolutely LOVE Rising Up, Criminal and Singing Man (three way tie for my favorite so far.)

The Pow Wow is insane, lol. Great concept for an intro.

Upon initial lesson, just a hair under GT, but I'll need to listen to this one a lot more to really judge.

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420. "deeeeamn they hit #2 on itunes"
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only behind madonna, which is pretty good company to compete with for sales.

  

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L.E.S.
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422. "Black Thought has to be one of the only MCs"
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that somehow gets better and better and better...

Riq is officially the best MC in the game hands down..

considering he is from the early 90s era and all the MCs we loved
from that time are half ass and can't make good albums anymore..

i can't believe this shit.. Black Thought is on another fuckin' planet yo..
this is his best yet.

i've only gotten through the album a few times and i think its fuckin' mind blowing..

one of the best hip-hop albums i have heard in years.. and i was a bit skeptical

DICE RAW came real hard on this shit..
all the features are dope.. MALIK B KILLS IT..PEEDI is DOPE.. PORN is incredible..Truck North killed it.. they all overshadow Common and Kweli.. who also came nicely..
MOS kickin' off the album is great. He's back to form.

i think the only criticism with the album are some of the hooks are eh.. but none of them really bother me. and, it seems we all agree that Unwritten should've been longer. i get the concept, but that was not the beat to cut short.. Too nice.

really what i think it comes down to was that Quest jumped the gun and they released too many joints.. i tried not to listen too much to the songs that were posted up here so that i can enjoy it today.. for some of yall that are disappointed.. if yall heard Rising Down, Get Busy & 75 Bars for the first time with the rest of this album you'd all have your ugliest faces on..

I Can't Help It is the highlight so far..

really glad Bday Girl got dropped.. would be ridiculous on this ..

but damn.. this album is pretty amazing..

  

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427. "RE: Black Thought has to be one of the only MCs"
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>really what i think it comes down to was that Quest jumped the
>gun and they released too many joints.. i tried not to listen
>too much to the songs that were posted up here so that i can
>enjoy it today.. for some of yall that are disappointed.. if
>yall heard Rising Down, Get Busy & 75 Bars for the first time
>with the rest of this album you'd all have your ugliest faces
>on..

exactly. if id heard get busy for the first time when i heard the whole album, id be claiming it was one of the best albums ever made lol. its weird how perception of albums change so much because of this.

www.last.fm/user/weston24

  

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426. "Common ending his verse quoting Andre 3000"
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is pretty funny considering..

anyone catch that?

  

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430. "yeah i caught that haha"
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L.E.S.
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442. "RE: Common ending his verse quoting Andre 3000"
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"and every one is like a broad that we run through a venue
this ain't gonna stop so we just gonna continue"

that Andre quote suggests he's kinda sayin runnin' through Badu is like a part of the game

  

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429. "goddamn this is album is thorough right now"
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I think that's the biggest reason I can always listen to the Roots, and the biggest part of their game they stepped up as time went on -- ?uest became an exacting wizard on the knobs with a budget to match.

I think that's the reason Tipping Point was ... good, really listenable, but flat for a Roots release. The sound was incredible, but not flat out showing off (not to mention the fucking mistake with the goddamn pressing -- man, some great moments just feel fucked up with that hiccup between tracks) like most of their other releases end up doing.

This one, halfway through? Yeah, it's showing off for me. That's fucking beautiful. Man -- thank god I finally got my damn mom off the phone to listen to this shit.

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433. "Not my favorite Roots record but a Great Album either way"
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Love the album.
My only complaint
NOT ENOUGH THOUGHT!!!
is there really a reason for all of the guests?
I'll give the Roots the benefit of the doubt because I like and respect them as artists, but it's hard to believe that there's a need for an overload of guests when the band's lead MC may possibly be the best natural MC of all-time.
Album just sounds a little too much like a mix tape as far as the line-up goes.
But like I said, great album and it's good to hear such quality in today's music industry.

  

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434. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you Roots for doing good music! From the opening track to the end it is all around solid. The sound quality is AMAZING. I didn't think you guys could top Game Theory, but I think you did. I've listened to it once and I had chills all throughout. I can count on one hand the amount of times that has happened. Already lookin forward to the next one!!

  

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438. "*shakes fist at 15*"
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You better write one helluva book when you turn 50 to make up for these liner notes not being what they should...yuck man...



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441. "Fucking beautiful"
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damn where do i begin.

The way the phone convo goes into rising down made me smile, shit knocks.

only easy way to sum it up...

Thank You
Thank You
Thank You



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443. "when people were talking about the roots cutting bg"
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i thought they meant a song featuring the ex-hot boy.

malik b + baby gangsta + the roots' interpretation of bounce music needs to happen like yesterday no the day before scott storch quit.

  

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444. "got it. good cd."
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hard beats. playing this with the bass up is a nice treat, imo.

the cover reminds me of what white america thinks of barak obama. this could be the alternate cover for Fear of a Black Planet.

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449. "oh, and kudos to dice for..."
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being the roots phonte with the sanging.....lol....

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445. "good album. 'Rising Up' = VOLVO APPROVED."
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LOL, ?uest... if you haven't already, there needs to be some kind of breakdown of WTF had Thought and company on edge.

LOL @ that mad voice being dixpop.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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447. "'75 bars' sounds a lot better in the album's context"
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I wasn't crazy about it when it was released, but now? THat shit is like 'Ante Up' to me.

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448. "Maaan why the ''Unwritten'' joints gotta be so short!? *shakes fist*"
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I mean, I saw the explanation but still. The decision to do what they did with those two tracks is dragging down my appreciation for the album as a whole, I can't lie. BOTH of the songs were on their way to being two of the my favorite cuts. Damn. It. Yo. Why why why...

With that said..........dope album. Favorite songs are the two "Unwritten" songs, "Criminal", "Can't Help It", "Singing Man", "Lost Desire", "The Show", and "Rising Up".

I ain't really feeling "75 Bars" all that much at this point. I liked it when we first heard it here, but I don't know. I can't get past how many times he says n*gg*, and not for any moral reason. Any word repeated that many times bugs me. I just got tired of hearing the same word over and over mostly.

I'm mad at the lack of liner notes and no real bonus track (a song), too. Overall, I'm not sure where I'd rank this album....it's way too early for that but I will say I wish I had the same enthusiasm for it that ?uest did leading up to now. It's definetely a 4 outta 5 for me, no question........but.........I'm not hearing what made (makes) ?uest consider this their best work.
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450. "RE: Maaan why the ''Unwritten'' joints gotta be so short!? *shakes fist*"
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i like all the guest appearances. in a way it makes me feel like we're getting alot in a short amount of time. mos, talib, and common on the record. two malik tracks. and a bunch of other quality emcees too. i would like more thought. i'm thinking two-tree more tracks in addition to what's already there of just thought tracks would have been love as far as more bt and as far as lengthing the album. we need a long album from the roots. don't get me wrong, short and sweet is cool and they do it well. i prefer iladeph & things fall apart lengthed albums, but i'd rather have it short and little to no filler than long albums with skippable tracks.

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451. "Exactly the album I wanted to hear after Game Theory"
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i know times are tough on the band direction and management side, but musically, the roots are swaggering, partly fueled by the young, hungry energy they're getting from khari, dice, truck, porn, kirk, tuba, owen, and knuckles.

but in addition to all the younger newer members' contributions, it's great to include old friends like mos, talib, common, mercedes, and it's always great to hear malik. they all really added something to the songs - not just cameos. the roots' quality control for that has always been high, but it worked really well this time.

"bread and butter" was one of my favorite game theory era songs, and it's great to hear more of the bluesy guitar. it's nice to hear them exploring that side of the music. with the added guitar element to , it makes sense to incorporate the blues into these angsty, stark, serious-toned songs

i can't pick a favorite song yet- i've listened three times. but there's nothing that colors my impression of the album, like the chorus to "in the music" did. though the album is less sonically diverse (though no less adventurous) than game theory, it's a bit tighter overall. i like the heavy straight forward boom-bap, and the groove on these jams is seriously tight funk, even with the open, gated sounds.

i like that they're doing more recording at ?uest's house and scraping things together a bit, rather than sitting and spending so much time polishing mixes at electric lady (though i'm sure they're still putting the hours in). there's something so direct and fast and live and relevant about the newer approach.

  

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453. "After listening to it again last night after work, Ive come to terms.."
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that this album will eventually be my shit. Its just right now, it seems so depressing. I think it sounds like a fall/winter album more then a spring/summer type album..

just my 2 cents, don't shoot me

  

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467. "gonna be a long hot summer...till november"
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alfie kohn is a genius.

  

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458. "Copped it last night, lovin it so far"
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I've only listened twice so far, so I'm not ready to talk in detail, but I love how it manages to have a dark feel while still maintaining vibrancy/energy. On paper, the tracklist looks a bit heavy on guest appearances, but all of the guests fit the records they are on, and compliment the vibe of the album as a whole as opposed to distracting from it. I gotta give it up to ?uest and co., I they know how to put together a cohesive album. I may like some projects more than others, but every project that they healm has a distinctive identity (that Al Green joint is a whole other post), which is one of the things that I miss in alot of the albums that pass through my hands these days.

  

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460. "Somebody please tell me the name of the track...."
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at the end of Lost Desire. I know it's a Dilla joint slowed down, but what's it from?

As for the album, that joint cranks! A lil different than the last couple, but that's fine. Once again, that shyt is crystal clear. I wish all albums sounded like that. I think I'm going to enjoy it alot more once I can listen to it on the way out somewhere and I've had a few sips of something.

Rising Up brought a smile to my face and made me respect the band that much more. "I show you where my Rare Essence is at."

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466. "Phat Kat - Don't Nobody Care About Us"
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471. "*snaps* That's it!"
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Thanks! I couldn't remember the name for nothin.

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461. "Barnes and Noble Gift Card = Rising Down CD + 2 fruit drankz"
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462. "where my liner notes?!?"
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I got my shirt/CD in the mail. Was really lookin fwd to some long ass inside joke i dont get it liner notes....and there aren't any. Wassup?


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463. "for those complaining about liner notes:"
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Listen to the CD.....

the end

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464. "for those complaining about liner notes:"
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Listen to the CD.....

the end

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465. "RE: for those complaining about liner notes:"
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man, this album is getting better with each listen. sounds sooo dope in the car. the icing on the cake came today with the addition of The Grand Return. I now have this track at the end of the album to close it out. Thanks again for the dope music!

  

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468. "~"
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469. "Who's playing bassline"
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on I Will Not Apologize? Owen or Damon? I cannot get that shit outta my head, it's so damn funky.

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470. "its just aint grabbing me, man..."
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i'm trying man, i'm really tryyyyyying.

listening, and listening and listening.

forcing myself to hearing what others are hearing.

nothing is registering.

i dont' know what it is.

semi-boom-bap beats + b-boy lyrics + *gulp* r&b hooks?

umm....

just not feeling it.

disappointed.

not enough Malik B...

i love Black Thought and all, but....he sounds uninspired. i don't hear that hunger, man. i aint looking for him to go Busta Rhymes on the mic, but....that edge is missing. is it the lack of comp in the MC world? i don't know.

i'll give it some more listens (Game Theory won me over after more listens...well at least the 1st half of it did).

oh yeah....Mos Def and Kweli ripped their guest spots, man. I ain't hear Mos spit like that in years, man. Kweli had a little adrenaline in him too. Of course the god, Malik B, always brings it.

not feeling Wale or Porn at all.

Dice Raw is ripping the mic, though man. sounding nice. (although he could ease up on the r&b hooks though and make more rap hooks).

i really don't understand why Birthday Girl was taken off. It would fit right in with the album, imo.

i don't know, man. i hope it sells (i think it will). i think these joints would sound better in a live setting than it does in the studio-recorded setting, because seeing that interview on the web where they were playing some joints live in the listening seession, it sounded a lot better.

catch ya'll on the next one.

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472. "they mad"
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they also really, really effing good.

more thoughts later.

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473. "Porn on Rising Down = Dice Raw on Things Fall Apart - IMO"
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When I listen to Things Fall Apart I feel that Dice Raw Ripped all his guest spots and that had an added positive impact on the album. When I listen to Rising Down I feel the same about Porn's verses, maybe even more so.

On an album that featured guest spots from Mos Def (incredible verse), Styles P, Saigon, Talib Kweli, Common and Wale.. staples like Malik B, and Dice Raw, and fellow new comer Truck North...... P.O.R.N. managed to stand out.. and thats impressive!

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478. "agreed."
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475. "It is greatly appreciated by me."
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I could say a lot more but I won't. I'll tell the artist how I feel when I see them.

  

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476. "Just copped."
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These dudes got artsy as fuck on this.

  

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479. "The "What's Going On" of our generation . . ."
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And I don't say that lightly.

The social/geo-political commentary is broad-sweeping and full of insight, whether from the first person or third person perspectives employed by the mc's on the record. Issues of race, ethnicity, class, age, and national identity are all addressed head on through-out the record.

The sonic impression is the most complex and creative The Roots have ever fashioned.

The keyboard work is light-years beyond previous Roots albums.

Thought's delivery in "75 Bars" is straight classic material.

Peedi's verse on "Get Busy" is probably my favorite verse on the record (aside from 75 Bars); his charisma, energy, and flow are all on point. He's an excellent contrast to Black Thought, and he would make a great permanent member of the group.

The only guest appearance that disappoints me is Common's; he sounds mad tired and the lyrics sound like an amalgam of recycled bits and pieces of Common's work from the past 4 years.

If you took out "The Show," I think this is a 5 mic album.

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480. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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I am loving it, the I will not Apologize groove on the front is amazing.

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481. "been listening since tuesday..."
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great album...these guys have never put out a substandard.
listening to this got me to thinking that phrenology, gt, and rd really form a great trilogy in which the evolution of the production is amazing. bt's lyrics are always a constant, and excellent in their own right too.

there comes a time in every mans life when he's gotta handle shit up on his own Can't depend on friends to help you in a squeeze, please they got problems of their own---slim kid3

  

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482. "Dice Raw is dope as fuck on this album"
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483. "Okay, I'm back."
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Spent about 2 weeks with the album, and I feel comfortable enough with it to come back with my thoughts.

I don't feel either way about the intro, quite honestly. I definitely feel the frustration, but as an album bookend...*shrug*. As far as intros go, I dig the ambience of the Game Theory opening and would have preferred an intro like that.

"Rising Down" is a strong starter with a very dope Mos Def verse and some hard drums. 'Riq's verse is serviceable, but a little obvious until about halfway through. Once it picks up, fire. I am no Styles P fan but can always reckognize a good 16 - this is not one. It just seems all over the place and ill-informed.

"Get Busy" GOES SO HARD, especially in full quality. Each verse gets better and more fired up. Needs to be heard with the right amount of bass - definitely for the whip whip/studio monitors. Peedi's verse is my favorite on the whole album.

"@ 15" is a nice intro to...

"75 Bars", which I'm still kinda "eh" on compared to "Web" or "Thought @ Work" or even "Boom". Not bad, just doesn't move me.

"Becoming Unwritten" is what it is, meant to make the album feel more like an album and less like a collection of songs and also ties into "Unwritten". It also gives you a break after the workout that is "75 Bars" and prepares you for the best three song sequence I've heard in a minute...

"Criminal" is currently my favorite song on the record. All three emcees spit with conviction and really get into the pocket of the beat. Great hook, too.

"I Will Not Apologize", in all it's Fela-inspired glory, is one of the best cuts on the album. I was blown away when I first heard Porn spit - I'm a sucker for a good voice. Everyone on here does their thing, tho.

"I Can't Help It" is definitely the headphone song on the record, sonically it's pretty brilliant - especially at the very end. Porn delivers his best verse on the album with some of the albums best one-liners, too. Rounds out a ridiculously strong three song streak.

This is where the album started to lose it's way with me..."Singing Man"...I LOVE the verses...but the hook is cringe-worthy and I don't think I like the beat very much, either. A shame, too...the verses are REALLY good. Truck North!!!

"Unwritten" is simply beautiful and a little haunting, too. Slowly becoming one of my favorites after initially dismissing it.

"Lost Desire" is in the same catagory as "75 Bars"...I don't hate it (despite the hook) - it just doesn't move me and kinda falls into the background. LOVE the Dilla tribute at the end.

"The Show" has a cool ass intro, a great beat, two great BT verses...but a terrible elementary hook and a phoned-in Common verse. Seriously, who OK'd this hook?

"Rising Up" is dope. Heard it a hundred times before the album dropped and I'm kinda tired of it at this point. I like everything about it except Chrisette's "Coca Cola Christmas" vpcals.

Overall, dope album despite a few flaws. No rating, tho. Sorry!

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484. "+ Top 5:"
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1. Criminal
2. Get Busy
3. I Will Not Apologize
4. Unwritten
5. I Can't Help It

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485. "up to 75 bars this is unstoppable. but then it gets a bit boring."
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well not boring, just not as exciting. sounds like the last few albums. which i wasnt all that crazy about to begin with. its *good* though, still, you can tell they made effort, which i do really appreciate, but the hooks are awful. and that beat for that industrial sounding track is terrible. but hey its the roots so ill still listen to it. i forgot i used to like the group a lot.

  

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487. "Hear the Drummer Get Busy"
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Rising Down is definitely a ?uest and BT production. I love the drum beats throughout the entire album. And as always, BT is holding it down lyrically. I can't say that there is anything epic about the new Roots album...just good music with good production.

Favorites from Rising Down after a few rotations:

1. Get Busy - Fun, Drum Beat is Sick, Neck Breaker
2. Rising Up - Melodic, Jazzy, Fresh, Grownup Sounds
3. 75 Bars - Tight, Intelligent, Strong
4. I Will Not Apologize - Crazy Beats, Nice Flow, Love It

Judging from this album, The Roots continue to put out great music and I'm looking foward to seeing them live in June.

  

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488. "RE: The Official The Roots "Rising Down" Discussion Thread"
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I’ve sat with Rising Down for about a week now. It’s a very good album and I already feel it’s better than Phrenology, Tipping Point, and Organix. It’s interesting that they decided to go with another “dark”/ “moody” album after Game Theory, being that there is more than one way to convey the many struggles and issues facing us as “Americans”, and Black people in particular. I agree with many ideas some of the posters have already stated, such as the Amnesiac comparison in terms of its place in the Roots catalogue, or that it is a better executed Tipping Point. Unlike most posters though, I feel the sequencing could have been better. The interludes stop momentum, song moods clash, and it pales in comparison to the sequencing brilliance of Game Theory. But maybe the Roots did this intentionally. I also applaud the many guest appearances, which had me feeling apprehensive at first. Analyzing one’s situation and rebelling is a community effort, so why not bring in a community of emcees and singers to help out. Here are my opinions on the songs themselves.



1. The Pow Wow
-classic intro, you can feel the hostility and anger, really sets the album right

2. Rising Down @@@@
-love the song, but I always have this feeling that the beat needs to switch or another element needs to be added at some point. Style P gets my vote for best verse on the song. Side note: Mos’ verse is over-rated.

3. Get Busy @@@@@
-outside of #10, this is my favorite track. The sound is hard as week ol’ shit found under the bed, and Peedi gets my fav guest appearance award

4. @15
-that nice at 15!… but it slows down the energy built up by Rising Down and Get Busy.

5. 75 Bars (Black's Reconstruction) @@@@@
-I’m I the only one who gets the irony of this song. Rolling Stone with their silly “it doesn’t even allow a smirk” quote or whatever the hell they said. All the niggaz after the whole nigga/nigger "debates" on top of ‘Riq is just that dude on the mic! Bang this hard in front of white people. I feel it should have came in right after Rising Down.

6. Becoming Unwritten @
-Co-sign McCurty: “What is this?” and again kills the albums strength at this point: blatant sonic Black militancy, whys is this on the album, what purpose is it serving.

7. Criminal @@@
-Another McCurty co-sign: “Feels a little soft in comparison to the rest of the album” I don’t really know if I like it, but it does stay stuck in my head after I listen to it.

8. I Will Not Apologize @@@@
-Loved it upon first listen. Thought is style fresh killin em on the first verse, and who else but Fela Kuti to pay tribute to when making rebel music.

9. I Can't Help It @@
-Like many others I want Malik back in the group. He suffers from what Big Boi suffers, the other guy is just that damn good, even though you’re nice you get overlooked. He complements Thought so well, but I can’t help not liking this song. The industrial soul is not my glass of Guinness. The change up Dilla tribute is nasty though.

10. Singing Man @@@@@
-My favorite song period, the percussive drum rhythms and Dice’s signing keep the dead neo-soul shit alive. Porn and Thought get a push on the verses.

11. Unwritten @@@
-This sounds bananas on the head phones and until Questo said he dies, being the reason the song cuts off, I didn’t get it. Like Criminal though, I’m still hear and there with the song.

12. Lost Desire @@@@
-Just Good music

13. The Show @@@@1/2
-Can someone please get Com out his comfort zone? Listening to him rap nowadays is like watching Denzel, Pacino and DeNiro, you know what you gunna get and you can’t hate ‘cause they legends, but you still want more. Great Song.

14. Rising Up @@@@1/2
-I love this song the more I listen to it. Still not sold on Wale, but he kills his verse, yes that’s a contradiction, so what… This is where I wish the sound would have gone, more up beat and playful, while still being socially conscious and politically astute. Hey James Brown, Sly Stone, Miles Davis and many others have done it, so can the Roots; this song is an example of it.

Overall, the Roots are the Legendary, because this is album number 8 and they still re-invent themselves, experiment and bring good fuckin’ music. Even though I hated Birthday Girl it would have worked to lighten up the mood of the album, and Jay Electronica would have definitely been perfect all things considered. I can see myself buying the Roots, album number 25, much like Prince, Dylan, Johnny Cash and Springsteen fans do.

-Solid @@@@

  

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