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"so let's discuss the "at least he's trying" phenomenon."


  

          

somebody posted up footage of Weezy F Baby abusing a guitar.

somebody posted up footage of Talladega Pain manhandling a pair of drumsticks.

we saw the fallout about the Michael Eric Dyson piece in the forthcoming "Illmatic" book.




I noticed a similar defense in ALL those posts.


"At least he's trying".

when did "trying" on a public stage become acceptable? I'm no Opera Singer, but would it be okay if I "tried" during a performance of "Carmen" that you've paid 200 bucks to see? Nope. Any self respecting Opera fan woould run me off the stage. And Rightfully so.

So why should we accept it a paid professional is practicing in a public forum? If Weezy wants to play guitar on his records, that's great. But take lessons in private and holla at us in three years when you're READY to play live. ( and I'm not just picking on Weezy, that goes for cats like Madlib on the Sax, Madonna on guitar, or anybody else 'practicing' in concert.). I'm sure Jay-Z was just stickin' it to the Brothers Gallagher, but seriously, don't come out on stage with a guitar strapped to your chest if you can't play the motherfucker.


Mediocrity is it's own reward. If we accept mediocrity for it's own sake, then we'll NEVER have quality output in the fields of Music, Music Journalism or ANYTHING in the Creative Arts field. We need standards, people.



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this is the excuse people made for Sa-Ra
Jul 30th 2008
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at least they made a few legitimate jams though.
Jul 30th 2008
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nah, lets be fair. They make shit some folks don't like, but
Jul 30th 2008
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their shit is quirky but they know what their doing....
Jul 30th 2008
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      right.
Jul 30th 2008
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      Exactly
Jul 31st 2008
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you can't be serious, homeslice
Jul 30th 2008
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      you know who you dealin wit there....Sa-ra legit
Jul 31st 2008
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on-point.
Jul 30th 2008
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What difference does it make if most of the audience
Jul 30th 2008
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I'm glad you brought this up.
Jul 30th 2008
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      Who are we to judge this, though?
Jul 30th 2008
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      People who bought tickets to the show, THAT'S who...
Jul 30th 2008
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           That ain't YOU fam! lol
Jul 30th 2008
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           Goddammit, I'm speaking Generically.
Jul 30th 2008
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           and they, by and large, love it.
Jul 30th 2008
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      but how many people at the time hated punk cause they "couldnt play"?
Aug 01st 2008
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i hate it when you do this...LOL.
Jul 30th 2008
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Get in where you fit in (C) Todd Shaw
Jul 30th 2008
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      lol
Jul 30th 2008
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Um...you don't got to Weezy's concerts or listen to his music
Jul 30th 2008
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wow, i had never seen it. and he can't play.
Jul 30th 2008
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^^just won the "Sees it" Award^^^
Jul 30th 2008
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You're SUPPOSED to be encouraged to try.
Jul 30th 2008
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      but not at the expense of ticket-buyers
Jul 30th 2008
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I see it as a novelty addition to his show
Jul 30th 2008
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      ^^^girl posting at its finest^^^
Jul 30th 2008
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      This WOMAN makes MORE MONEY than YOU
Jul 30th 2008
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           uh-huh...Later, Miss Moneybags....there's no crying in posting, BTW
Jul 30th 2008
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                fuck off loser
Jul 30th 2008
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                     *kisses*
Jul 30th 2008
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      I agree. that's the perception & appeal.
Jul 30th 2008
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      RE: I see it as a novelty addition to his show
Jul 30th 2008
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      RE: I see it as a novelty addition to his show
Jul 30th 2008
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for all the analyzing you usually do, you didn't read what I wrote.
Jul 30th 2008
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I did read what you wrote and I stick by my point
Jul 30th 2008
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      so, my analogy is less valid, huh?
Jul 30th 2008
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           On this topic...yeah cuz you not seeing the big picture
Jul 30th 2008
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                okay. Well let's take it OUT of the Realm of Hip-Hop.
Jul 30th 2008
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                     RE: okay. Well let's take it OUT of the Realm of Hip-Hop.
Jul 30th 2008
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                          but in the context.
Jul 30th 2008
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                               crucial distinction
Jul 30th 2008
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                               yes its a show you are paid to be entertain
Jul 30th 2008
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                                    you're all worked up for no reason Holmes...
Jul 30th 2008
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                                    no matter what it still stands wayne , Payne, Maddonna
Jul 30th 2008
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                                         Oh really? So BT hasn't been saying " 'preciate it, ya'll, but really,
Jul 30th 2008
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                                    just to be clear- his full show gives context to the guitar part?
Jul 30th 2008
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if you go to Weezy's concerts or listen to his music
Jul 30th 2008
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as if somehow me not going makes it LESS shitty.
Jul 30th 2008
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      son, you never witnessed Waynes shittyness in PERSON....
Jul 30th 2008
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What the fuck is this?
Jul 31st 2008
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if its a live show they just addin somethin to the show
Jul 30th 2008
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Exactly!!
Jul 30th 2008
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      ain't it what they known for........How dare he try somethign
Jul 30th 2008
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      SMH. Props on the CNN nod, though.
Jul 30th 2008
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           Thanks!
Jul 30th 2008
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hmmmm . . . .
Jul 30th 2008
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LOLOLOL
Jul 30th 2008
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I'd rather see you do an try to perform Carmen
Jul 30th 2008
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      I think I have it in my Netflix Queue...
Jul 30th 2008
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           I saw it and I can kindly say it was awful
Jul 30th 2008
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                dang.
Jul 30th 2008
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Hahaha
Jul 30th 2008
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you just invited them in here to call you a hater.
Jul 30th 2008
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"You a Hater" just means they have a small vocabulary.
Jul 30th 2008
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      You really are a hater and it has nothing to do with anyone's vocabulary
Jul 30th 2008
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           wow. you got me figured out.
Jul 30th 2008
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           Oh shit. I remember that.
Jul 30th 2008
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           lol
Jul 30th 2008
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           I'm eating lunch right now so i got 30 minutes to chop it up w/ you
Jul 30th 2008
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                I was gonna let all this die for the greater good, but fuck it...
Jul 30th 2008
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                     lol @ giving you the business
Jul 30th 2008
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                          this was all I could think of: *LAINK*
Jul 30th 2008
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                               LOL
Jul 31st 2008
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           lol
Jul 30th 2008
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           she REAL mad at ol' Disco, ain't she?
Jul 30th 2008
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           Someone's mad... :(
Jul 30th 2008
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           woo hoo!
Jul 31st 2008
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People think it justifies shitty music
Jul 30th 2008
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yup.
Jul 30th 2008
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see also: The Love Below.
Jul 30th 2008
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*DING DING DING*
Jul 30th 2008
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not quite the same thing.
Jul 30th 2008
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I loved that record though.
Jul 30th 2008
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nope
Jul 30th 2008
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obligatory cosign....
Jul 31st 2008
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I cant wait for the day I can shit in someone's palm....
Jul 30th 2008
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you mean GET PAID to shit in somebody's palm....but yeah...
Jul 30th 2008
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but who's telling you that you SHOULD appreciate it?
Jul 30th 2008
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well what's the point of even listening to music?
Jul 30th 2008
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You're putting yourself into other folks' heads here, though.
Jul 30th 2008
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lo-d, he's not improving...
Jul 30th 2008
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           *shrug* I'm not sitting through alladat... I'll admit I was wrong instea...
Jul 30th 2008
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                agreed
Jul 30th 2008
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call it avant-garde ..
Jul 30th 2008
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      I JUST saw this. (Sorry),but here's my reply...
Jul 31st 2008
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that's what Im saying, tho....
Jul 30th 2008
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you will be called a hater *fingers to temples*
Jul 30th 2008
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you called it!
Jul 30th 2008
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Slow down son you killin' them! (c) Diddy
Jul 30th 2008
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^^^^^^^^has NO FANS and is JEALOUS
Jul 30th 2008
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      hey now...
Jul 30th 2008
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           It IS that
Jul 30th 2008
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                u ma'am...are a riot.
Jul 30th 2008
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                I listened...you sound decent
Jul 31st 2008
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                     bet. when you play Detroit i'll open for you.
Jul 31st 2008
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                          Imma hold you to that now so don't disappoint me! lol
Jul 31st 2008
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                Cotdamn
Jul 31st 2008
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its called: practice*
Jul 30th 2008
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in a perverse way, i think the roots' hip-hop 101 applies here
Jul 30th 2008
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actually, their justifying themselves when they play that...
Jul 30th 2008
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??? i don't follow. nm
Jul 30th 2008
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Weezy is the Baal of hiphop
Jul 30th 2008
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RE: Weezy is the Baal of hiphop
Jul 31st 2008
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So Why Did Lauryn Hill Get A Pass On Her Unplugged Album
Jul 30th 2008
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she got called all over the boards. As for yout other point
Jul 30th 2008
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yup- all 4 chords of Hey Ya make a great song...
Jul 30th 2008
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I recall there being a lot of hate around that.
Jul 30th 2008
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has anyone gone back and listened to this album lately?
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where were you when it dropped? it got DOGGED
Jul 30th 2008
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      the criticism she got for that was WAY over the top.
Jul 30th 2008
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      she shoulda learnt more chords
Jul 30th 2008
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           thhat's a bullshit response.
Jul 30th 2008
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                LOL all the fuckin songs sounded the same.
Jul 30th 2008
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                     That's highly debatable.
Jul 30th 2008
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                          she should learn more chords.
Jul 30th 2008
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      I Was Here But It's So Many Lauryn Hill Fans Who Love That CD
Jul 31st 2008
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i agree with standards being lowered
Jul 30th 2008
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the link posted above is actually a slight improvement over
Jul 30th 2008
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every time i need a laugh
Jul 30th 2008
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i agree but...
Jul 30th 2008
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nothing at all.
Jul 30th 2008
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i'm sad that the qualifications of haterism are so low
Jul 30th 2008
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its the reason why hip hop sux now. you're not allowed to call anything
Jul 30th 2008
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      ^^^Temple of Truth^^^
Jul 30th 2008
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      Sha Mecca=DAUGHTER OF MOSES
Jul 30th 2008
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      hi hater!!
Jul 30th 2008
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      the irony of this reply is i love that song lol
Jul 30th 2008
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      And you have only Sean Combs to thank.
Jul 30th 2008
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      RE: its the reason why hip hop sux now. you're not allowed to call anyth...
Jul 30th 2008
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      Cha CHING!
Jul 31st 2008
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I liked Lauryns unplugged....didn't like Waynes soloing
Jul 30th 2008
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people are very willing to accept mediocrity
Jul 30th 2008
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Its a HUGE problem in hip hop
Jul 30th 2008
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http://www.you aintneverlied.com/jaescott77_dropping_science
Jul 30th 2008
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RE: so let's discuss the "at least he's trying" phenomenon.
Jul 30th 2008
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see post # 7
Jul 30th 2008
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RE: see post # 7
Jul 30th 2008
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      I'll dig a little deeper.
Jul 30th 2008
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           RE: I'll dig a little deeper.
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           how 'bout this: punks were not 'just trying', they were doing...
Jul 30th 2008
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           Nah, it wasn't anti-music, it was rock the way it is SUPPOSED to be play...
Jul 31st 2008
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difference is it just not aesthetically pleasing imo
Jul 30th 2008
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RE: difference is it just not aesthetically pleasing imo
Jul 30th 2008
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ok i notice you said "most"
Jul 30th 2008
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Sex Pistols weren't BAD musicians...
Jul 31st 2008
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Kinda like Kanye on the mic?
Jul 30th 2008
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Thank you.
Jul 30th 2008
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whats worse is the "he's just having fun" excuse...
Jul 30th 2008
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I kinda agree.
Jul 30th 2008
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yeah.. that shit is pretty terrible too..
Aug 01st 2008
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Yea trying is a terrible word I took that shit out my vocab
Jul 30th 2008
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lol
Jul 30th 2008
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speak on it!
Jul 30th 2008
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      i've been pondering this all day..
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           post 141...
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                damn...
Jul 31st 2008
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smh. y'all n*ggas are crotchety.
Jul 30th 2008
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how did i miss this thread? cosignage to the fullest
Jul 30th 2008
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peep reply #37...lmao
Jul 30th 2008
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if you say 'trying', it implies there's something insufficient about
Jul 30th 2008
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LOL @ cats cosigning the abomination that is Wayne's "playing"
Jul 30th 2008
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Who's cosigning it?
Jul 30th 2008
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      Exactly!!
Jul 30th 2008
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      but that's what makes the shit corny though.
Jul 30th 2008
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      Corny to YOU perhaps
Jul 30th 2008
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           lol you sound like an idiot. no i can't play guitar THATS WHY THE FUCK
Jul 30th 2008
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           So in other words you nuh have no real BLOODCLAAAT TALENT
Jul 30th 2008
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                i could never have anything ever recorded in life and still have more
Jul 30th 2008
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                LMAO
Jul 30th 2008
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                WTF is this shit??
Jul 31st 2008
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                     we call it a meltdown where i'm from lol
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                          You got alot of mouth behind that keyboard you behind
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                               lol and the meltdown continues
Jul 31st 2008
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                                    LMAO...you would sooooo like that to be the case wouldn't you?
Jul 31st 2008
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                                         i'm riding YOUR coattails? you sure about that? you replied under
Jul 31st 2008
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                                              I'm talking about the entire thread dumb dumb
Jul 31st 2008
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                                                   i'm laughing at jokes not riding your coattails. you're a joke so
Jul 31st 2008
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                                                        Sista, you are all TALK and no ACTION
Jul 31st 2008
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                                                             ^^riled up.
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                                                                  ^^^^^lacks creative wit
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                                                                       OOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!! YOU GOT ME THEREEEE!!!!!
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                                                                            ^^^^^ couldn't come up with a funny reply
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                                                                                 makes the two of us.
Aug 01st 2008
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                                                                                 it took you 12 hours to reply and say that?
Aug 01st 2008
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           kinda off-topic, but this argument has always irked me.
Jul 31st 2008
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           Co-sign...
Jul 31st 2008
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           RE: Corny to YOU perhaps
Jul 31st 2008
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                is that good or bad, LOL?!?!?
Jul 31st 2008
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                     Lol-It's bad that I can be Satriani compared to *Anyone*
Jul 31st 2008
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      RE: Who's cosigning it?
Jul 31st 2008
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How did this post become an 'attack' on Lil' Wayne?
Jul 30th 2008
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For two reasons
Jul 30th 2008
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LOL why are you being hostile towards me?
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because some people can't read. Nothing more than that.
Jul 30th 2008
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Your premise is WEAK and completely subjective
Jul 30th 2008
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Peace(C) You
Jul 30th 2008
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RE: because some people can't read.
Jul 30th 2008
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It never was.
Jul 30th 2008
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      they heard the name "Lil Wayne" and Blacked out...
Jul 30th 2008
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           lol that's exactly what the fuck happened.
Jul 30th 2008
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           Asonyi at the moment THAT happened:
Jul 31st 2008
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                LOL
Jul 31st 2008
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we bought the monkeys through Milli Vannelli trying
Jul 30th 2008
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RE: so let's discuss the "at least he's trying" phenomenon.
Jul 30th 2008
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It wouldn't be like that all...more like MJB spittin that verse
Jul 30th 2008
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      bad example potna. MJB been spittin since 411.
Jul 30th 2008
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           Doesn't really matter when she first did it
Jul 30th 2008
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                bruh, this really ain't about skills...
Jul 30th 2008
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I CLEARLY watched a different video of T-Pain drumming than all of you
Jul 30th 2008
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Im Hip, T-Pain didn't sound that bad to me at all on the sticks
Jul 31st 2008
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Yes, the "defense" of Dyson deserved a spinoff. I mean, really.
Jul 30th 2008
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yo, reading through this post was a riot
Jul 30th 2008
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Some of y'all sound like a bunch of Toto-fans...
Jul 31st 2008
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I LOVE the repeated Toto namedropping, Jake.
Jul 31st 2008
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And you sound like a rockist.
Jul 31st 2008
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I've done battle with him over the excellence of Toto.
Jul 31st 2008
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If I was a rockist, I would care about ''authenticy'' and ''meaning''...
Jul 31st 2008
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As for the Toto-thing...
Jul 31st 2008
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      LOL... truth be told, Jeff aside, musicianship...
Jul 31st 2008
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           Yes,I think they were (?, they recently broke up, right?) MUCH more popu...
Jul 31st 2008
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                Yeah, this is why The Doc said what he did about its members...
Aug 01st 2008
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True... but Jeff Porcaro ... is the GOAT.
Jul 31st 2008
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hip hop will be such a better experience w/o Lil Wayne
Jul 31st 2008
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Ehhh. No.
Jul 31st 2008
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      Lil Wayne = Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Baby
Jul 31st 2008
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      convenient of you to forget every other year ever
Jul 31st 2008
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           LMAO
Jul 31st 2008
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"Trying&amp" @ your 9-5 = FIRED!!!
Jul 31st 2008
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Not necessarily...
Jul 31st 2008
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      Well, let's just say
Jul 31st 2008
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I can't believe you just took a swipe at Madlib. Can YOU play sax?
Jul 31st 2008
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actually, tREBLEFREE put me on to that Jackson/Conti joint yesterday
Jul 31st 2008
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      Well, as for the original idea of your thread.....
Jul 31st 2008
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           I went into it thinking, FOH...
Jul 31st 2008
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                LOL.......well, I'm obligated to provide a link or two of newer YNQ stuf...
Jul 31st 2008
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                     One night I played Angles Without Edges for my friends in a friend's dor...
Jul 31st 2008
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200+ posts in there's nothing left to say
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exactly.
Jul 31st 2008
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Oh hush already and re-read his first post again to get a clue
Jul 31st 2008
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exactly.
Jul 31st 2008
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Archive for the comedic value. Thanks, fire
Jul 31st 2008
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This post and responses mostly made me roll my eyes
Jul 31st 2008
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      that actual *topic* of the post is an afterthought at this point...
Jul 31st 2008
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           This one of those "Let us never speak of this again" posts
Jul 31st 2008
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           GOOD
Jul 31st 2008
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With 250 replies I should have known how this went down
Jul 31st 2008
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LMAO
Jul 31st 2008
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      Listen up
Jul 31st 2008
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           ^^^^^still doesn't get it *smh*
Aug 01st 2008
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                .
Aug 01st 2008
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                We finally agree, you still don't get it
Aug 01st 2008
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                     No we don't agree...let it go and focus on artists you DO like
Aug 01st 2008
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                actually, the geetar was a significant part of his BMI showcase
Aug 01st 2008
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Archive
Jul 31st 2008
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a biter cat who can't accept what is the now
Jul 31st 2008
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Thank You
Jul 31st 2008
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^^^^ part of the problem.
Aug 01st 2008
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      Now we have less than a 50% black graduation rate
Aug 01st 2008
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      dioc and you disco sound like tow played out relic turkeys
Aug 01st 2008
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      The Doc didn't.....
Aug 04th 2008
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      I'm under 24 and approve this message
Aug 02nd 2008
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RE: so let's discuss the &quot;at least he's trying&quot; phenomenon.
Jul 31st 2008
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^^^^exactly!
Jul 31st 2008
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i'd be right there with you, BUT...
Aug 01st 2008
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dude, you're trying to make wayne a genius when he's really
Aug 02nd 2008
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good post.
Aug 01st 2008
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Nas petitioning Fox News...
Aug 01st 2008
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not the same
Aug 01st 2008
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The thing that bothers me....
Aug 01st 2008
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exactly, it's not the artists per se
Aug 02nd 2008
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277th.
Aug 01st 2008
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That time of the month anybody?
Aug 02nd 2008
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Not sure who Asoyini is but she came thru and crushed the buildings
Aug 02nd 2008
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yeah Asoyini did and made the most sense to me
Aug 02nd 2008
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her point was 'if you ain't there, you have no biz commenting'
Aug 02nd 2008
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more pleas copped... LOL
Aug 04th 2008
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^
Jan 12th 2009
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God, I hated this post.
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      Me too. this is one of those "When Posts go Bad" posts...
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Terminology
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1. "this is the excuse people made for Sa-Ra"
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3. "at least they made a few legitimate jams though."
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14. "nah, lets be fair. They make shit some folks don't like, but"
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they know what they're doing. It's not like they don't know how to produce. Their style just isn't for everybody.



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91. "their shit is quirky but they know what their doing...."
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and they make good music IMO
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93. "right."
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195. "Exactly"
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>and they make good music IMO



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39. "you can't be serious, homeslice"
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239. "you know who you dealin wit there....Sa-ra legit"
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hahaha i could see that comin. Me and you are diff from the rest of da homies. We can only take so much shit from a bitch and then they threw! We got options on what we wanna do and how we wanna live-Da Pimpin Hippy

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2. "on-point."
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but they won't hear you

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4. "What difference does it make if most of the audience"
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can't tell whether the 'artist' is 'trying' or is actually fairly decent?


You can be bad at an instrument and make decent, or at least interesting, music. Likewise, you can be great at an instrument and make shitty music.

Unfortunately, a lot of the examples we love to mock around here play their instruments poorly in the making of bad, as we judge it, music. But their audience loves the music and honestly can't tell if they're playing out of tune, poorly, arrhythmically, or whatever.

Didn't someone in that Wayne video yell out about how her baby cold really PLAY!?!?

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7. "I'm glad you brought this up."
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>can't tell whether the 'artist' is 'trying' or is actually
>fairly decent?
>
>


"When we first saw the Pistols, We felt a lot better in the fact that we really couldn't play..." (C) Joe Strummer of The Clash.


no it shouldn't matter if the person can't play WELL, if they're making an honest attempt to be proficient at the instrument. Meaning, The Sex Pistols sucked enough to give The Clash some inspiration, BUT at the same time, The Pistols were proficient enough to be considered a band.

THIS is when it's ok.

A lot of the shit I'm talking about is when the artist is question isn't even trying to be legit. He or she just has an instrument on stage on some "LOOK AT ME, I'M DIFFERENT!!!" shit.


>You can be bad at an instrument and make decent, or at least
>interesting, music. Likewise, you can be great at an
>instrument and make shitty music.


definitely.


>
>Unfortunately, a lot of the examples we love to mock around
>here play their instruments poorly in the making of bad, as we
>judge it, music. But their audience loves the music and
>honestly can't tell if they're playing out of tune, poorly,
>arrhythmically, or whatever.
>

and THAT'S when it becomes a problem. Like you said, a LOT of people make music that sucks, but they're good at making that shitty music ( if that makes sense...). But fans don't go any further than "LOOK!!! He's got a saxophone!!!!"

it's masturbatory for the artist.






>Didn't someone in that Wayne video yell out about how her baby
>cold really PLAY!?!?


I turned off my ears after a while.


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24. "Who are we to judge this, though?"
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>and THAT'S when it becomes a problem. Like you said, a LOT of
>people make music that sucks, but they're good at making that
>shitty music ( if that makes sense...). But fans don't go any
>further than "LOOK!!! He's got a saxophone!!!!"
>
>it's masturbatory for the artist.

I don't consider myself in any place to judge Wayne OR his audience. (The quality of his guitar soloing is a different story.) I find it ridiculous, but at the same time it's cool that folks get excited about it - even if it sucks.



on the other hand - Y'know, it's funny to me if Madlib is going for the same thing - I hadn't heard of that - but if he really is BAD on the sax, well, I dunno - it seems odd that he'd have such a great ear for records, but not be able to tell that he was bombing. And he doesn't seem like the kind of act who'd have an audience go for it either if he didn't have a single chop.


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33. "People who bought tickets to the show, THAT'S who..."
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41. "That ain't YOU fam! lol"
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42. "Goddammit, I'm speaking Generically."
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55. "and they, by and large, love it."
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WE are not THEY.

And if they're having fun and enjoying the spectacle, great for them.


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262. "but how many people at the time hated punk cause they "couldnt play"?"
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Critics,
musicians,
and fans alike all decried them cause they "didn't play well."

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5. "i hate it when you do this...LOL."
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make a good a$$ topic then wrap that b*tch up all by yourself.

what's left to discuss you ol' Jerry Springer, my final thoughts a$$ ni##a?

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8. "Get in where you fit in (C) Todd Shaw"
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6. "Um...you don't got to Weezy's concerts or listen to his music"
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so your opinion is totally irrelevant! lol

And it's not like the guitar segment is the entire show...he usually does it for one song (maybe 5 minutes in all) and that is it.

Here's more footage from a recent concert in Jamaica...Reggae Sumfest 2008.

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9. "wow, i had never seen it. and he can't play."
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he plays like me. which is not good...
but i practice in my room.
he's practicing on stage. something is wrong with this picture.

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12. "^^just won the "Sees it" Award^^^"
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>but i practice in my room.
>he's practicing on stage. something is wrong with this
>picture.


exactly.


people are PAYING him to trick off. That's fucked up.


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72. "You're SUPPOSED to be encouraged to try."
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81. "but not at the expense of ticket-buyers"
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whether they know your "practising" it or not.

Dude got a basement, an amp and some weed...Rza that shit til you're good enogh to know some chords and shit...then come on stage and waste my time...but NOT beforehand!

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15. "I see it as a novelty addition to his show"
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Folks that have never seen him in concert are acting like he's playing a guitar through out his entire set when that is faaaaaaaaar from the case. You have to see his entire show to really get it...it works for him becasue it's clear he's not that good...ironically enough that is what makes it interesting and entertaining...it's tongue in cheek "musicianship". lol

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30. "^^^girl posting at its finest^^^"
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43. "This WOMAN makes MORE MONEY than YOU"
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And I'm starting to tire of your sexist bullshit. You really are just a bitter underachiever who hates on anything that is remotely successful. No wonder your career is stuck in place. Your mentality sucks and you have poor business sense. But good luck to you!

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47. "uh-huh...Later, Miss Moneybags....there's no crying in posting, BTW"
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50. "fuck off loser"
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51. "*kisses*"
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144. "I agree. that's the perception & appeal."
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>it works for him becasue it's clear he's not
>that good...ironically enough that is what makes it
>interesting and entertaining...it's tongue in cheek
>"musicianship". lol

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145. "RE: I see it as a novelty addition to his show"
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>Folks that have never seen him in concert are acting like
>he's playing a guitar through out his entire set when that is
>faaaaaaaaar from the case. You have to see his entire show to
>really get it...it works for him becasue it's clear he's not
>that good...ironically enough that is what makes it
>interesting and entertaining...it's tongue in cheek
>"musicianship". lol

Really? I think its insulting, on some 'ol hey-look-at-the-monkey-with-the-guitar-around-his-neck-aw-thats-so-cute type shit.

And REALLY insulting to anyone who was selfless enough to spend time learning an instrument IN PRIVATE, like a rational person *cough, lauryn* should have the good sense to do, before insulting his/her fans' intelligence, assaulting their ears, and pandering to their utter lack of musicality.

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169. "RE: I see it as a novelty addition to his show"
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"I see it as a novelty addition to his show"

That's exactly what is...out of an hour long show the dude takes 5 minutes to bring out a guitar for the intro of one of his songs that has a guitar solo at the beginning...it is what it is...obviously he's not a professional guitarist, he's a fucking rapper...that's kinda the whole point and fun of it all...same thing with T-Pain on the drums, the entire thing is done for the novelty and fun of it all...to supercritique and over analyze this stuff in all seriousnees, is really kinda silly...

  

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11. "for all the analyzing you usually do, you didn't read what I wrote."
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I'm saying; more power to him if he wants to play, but don't jerk off on stage. Get a Guitar instructor and make it legit.


another example. Would you let ME cut your hair, or would you rather go to a Barber ( who's had training and experience)?



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16. "I did read what you wrote and I stick by my point"
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>I'm saying; more power to him if he wants to play, but don't
>jerk off on stage. Get a Guitar instructor and make it legit.

Perhaps if he was trying to play for an ENTIRE show then you would have a point BUT he isn't. Like I said he only does it for a very short period of time and I really think it is meant to be tongue in cheek. He knows he is not that hot with it yet.

You are trying to use an exmple of Weezy based upon a YouTube clip that you saw but you have no basis for your argument becasue you have never seen him live doing an entire show. if you did you would "get it". lol

>another example. Would you let ME cut your hair, or would you
>rather go to a Barber ( who's had training and experience)?

I wear locks and haven't been to a barber since the 20th century.

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18. "so, my analogy is less valid, huh?"
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>>I'm saying; more power to him if he wants to play, but
>don't
>>jerk off on stage. Get a Guitar instructor and make it
>legit.
>
>Perhaps if he was trying to play for an ENTIRE show then you
>would have a point BUT he isn't. Like I said he only does it
>for a very short period of time and I really think it is meant
>to be tongue in cheek. He knows he is not that hot with it
>yet.
>

Tongue in cheek, huh? Okay. So why does he keep doing it?



>>another example. Would you let ME cut your hair, or would
>you
>>rather go to a Barber ( who's had training and experience)?
>
>I wear locks and haven't been to a barber since the 20th
>century.

I KNOW this. I've seen ya pics.

But what I'm getting at is would you pay somebody to "Try" at your expense? or would you go to a trained professional?

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25. "On this topic...yeah cuz you not seeing the big picture"
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>Tongue in cheek, huh? Okay. So why does he keep doing it?

Because it is working for him. Why not do it? People aren't booing him, they are actually recptive to him and he isn't doing it for very long. It is just a very small part of the performance.

> But what I'm getting at is would you pay somebody to "Try" at
>your expense? or would you go to a trained professional?

It depends on what they are trying...if I needed surgery then yeah I want the best mofo possible to cut me open, fix the problem, and sew me back up.

But for something like music, that isn't life threatening...I'm not really that pressed...especially since he ain't trying to play a guitar for an hour. I can tolerate 5 minutes of comedy.

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28. "okay. Well let's take it OUT of the Realm of Hip-Hop."
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>But for something like music, that isn't life
>threatening...I'm not really that pressed...especially since
>he ain't trying to play a guitar for an hour. I can tolerate 5
>minutes of comedy.
>
>


because I'm getting the idea that people think it's ok for a Hip-Hop artist to do it. As if anything goes at a Hip-Hop show regardless of quality or expectations.



Would it be as "tongue in cheek" if you went to a symphony performance and the conductor stopped the performance and laid down a REALLY bad Rap? Or would that be ok?

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49. "RE: okay. Well let's take it OUT of the Realm of Hip-Hop."
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>because I'm getting the idea that people think it's ok for a
>Hip-Hop artist to do it. As if anything goes at a Hip-Hop show
>regardless of quality or expectations.

Wow...my opinion has nothing to do with Hip Hop

>Would it be as "tongue in cheek" if you went to a symphony
>performance and the conductor stopped the performance and laid
>down a REALLY bad Rap? Or would that be ok?

It would be okay if it was done in a way that was clever and entertaining aka "tongue in cheek".

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53. "but in the context."
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>It would be okay if it was done in a way that was clever and
>entertaining aka "tongue in cheek".


facts:

-You've paid to see a Smphony orchestra.

-You're expecting some Beethoven or Mozart with no gimmicks.

-The conductor stops the show and gives you a five minute medley of really shitty interpretations of Rap Lyrics.

-You weren't expecting it, and had no idea it was gonna happen.

-HE thought it was clever, even though by most ( if not all ) technical accounts it was a disaster.



you'd still let it ride?


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75. "crucial distinction"
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if its done for comedic effect, i can roll with it. rappin' karl rove was an attempt at comedy, i ain't clapping for him but i'm cool with letting people have the freedom to do ironic comedy.

if its done for PROPS, not comedy? like "hey, i know this is a symphony, but bear with me for a minute while i try to play 'flight of the bumblebee' on a sitar i can't play... okay, back to the show!"

-i would remember that as a low point/unfortunate moment in a show.

...and we ALL know that the only reason this thang is working is cuz weezy's fans have no interest in his competency; he makes noise from a guitar, that is good enough cuz they don't care about guitar.

BUT- if he tried his hand at break-dancing real quick in the middle of a show, cats would clown him if he wasn't at least competent. for comparison, SEE BLACK THOUGHT & COMMON...


(YOU STUBBORN FUCKERS- ADMIT IT, IT SUCKS THAT THIS CAT IS STRAIGHT-FACING THIS GUITAR SHIT AND PEOPLE NOT ONLY APPROVE...THEY ENCOURGE IT)


*unaware that his internal voice escaped...loudly*

>
>>It would be okay if it was done in a way that was clever and
>>entertaining aka "tongue in cheek".
>
>
>facts:
>
>-You've paid to see a Smphony orchestra.
>
>-You're expecting some Beethoven or Mozart with no gimmicks.
>
>-The conductor stops the show and gives you a five minute
>medley of really shitty interpretations of Rap Lyrics.
>
>-You weren't expecting it, and had no idea it was gonna
>happen.
>
>-HE thought it was clever, even though by most ( if not all )
>technical accounts it was a disaster.
>
>
>
>you'd still let it ride?
>
>
>if your answer is honestly "yes" then we can just agree to
>disagree.
>
>

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97. "yes its a show you are paid to be entertain"
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yall mofos so damn uptight you try to ANAYLYZE everything to be techinally perfect instead of enjoying the damn show....

you anaylze a show a moment a happenin by a damn youtube clip....Wayne puts on a great show.

That's like the idiots callin Jay-z guitar thing weak wayyyyy after the fact from viewin a clip.....its a damn concert sometimes its better when your there.

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102. "you're all worked up for no reason Holmes..."
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and like I said. if you're expecting one thing and the person on stage goes off on a tangent (that isn't good) is that entertaining to you?


just like when performers melt down on stage. Nobody says "he was just going through something". Everybody just talks about how it sucked and they wanted their money back...


>yall mofos so damn uptight you try to ANAYLYZE everything to
>be techinally perfect instead of enjoying the damn show....
>


umm, yes. If I spent my money on it, I DO expect it to be "technically perfect". Mistakes happen, but I do expect shit to be as good as realistically possible.


>you anaylze a show a moment a happenin by a damn youtube
>clip....Wayne puts on a great show.

not saying he does or doesn't. in fact this point isn't even ABOUT Wayne, but that's all you guys are focusing on. I could give a fuck about his show. I merely used him as an example. I also mentioned Madonna, Madlib, and T-Pain. You guys are turning this into a "stop picking on L'il Wayne" festival.




>
>That's like the idiots callin Jay-z guitar thing weak wayyyyy
>after the fact from viewin a clip.....its a damn concert
>sometimes its better when your there.


I said he did that as a joke. at least THAT was obvious.


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126. "no matter what it still stands wayne , Payne, Maddonna"
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if THE OVERALL SHOW IS GOOD IS THE POINT.....mofos do silly shit in the moment......Thought would never be caught doing the things he do at shows on records.....cause of folks like you.

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130. "Oh really? So BT hasn't been saying " 'preciate it, ya'll, but really,"
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I do whatever me and the boys feel like" in his interviews? Or Kweli for that matter? OutKast, Little Brother, F. Fifty, Chamillionaire, Jay-Z? All these mofos, except for Cormega and a few others who appeal directly to fans, know exactly what they're doing.

I disagree.

  

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122. "just to be clear- his full show gives context to the guitar part?"
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cuz i still maintain its more about folks not caring about guitar...

i've seen 4 clips, including the one where he was standing up playing in a hotel ballroom for most of the song lollipop. i can believe that its not his full show- i guess it just puzzles me cuz it seems as if its being presented seriously.

if he claimed he was gonna dance, and danced as badly as he was playing guitar WITHOUT some sort of crazy set-up or punchline, folks wouldn't be screaming their approval... hell, in that clip ayosini put up, by 1:01, folks were 'bout to enter the 'emperor's clothes' zone.

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19. "if you go to Weezy's concerts or listen to his music"
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your opinion is totally irrelevant!

  

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21. "as if somehow me not going makes it LESS shitty."
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and like I said, I'm not pickin on him. I'm talking about ANYBODY that does this bullshit.



If I sit on my fat ass at home, and decide not to go, that won't magically make Madlib become John Coltrane.


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22. "son, you never witnessed Waynes shittyness in PERSON...."
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...how can I possibly take you seriously??? lmao

  

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214. "What the fuck is this?"
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...Hip Hop... wow.

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10. "if its a live show they just addin somethin to the show"
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now I can understand if that' the entire show but if its a couple of minutes......cool that' time to try to talk to a chick or go get a beer...

I'll rather have to them try it out at a show than on record.

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17. "Exactly!!"
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These cats are just hating!

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94. "ain't it what they known for........How dare he try somethign"
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different......They'll be the same one if the cats just got on the mic doing the same tired rap concert.

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131. "SMH. Props on the CNN nod, though."
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>These cats are just hating!

  

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133. "Thanks!"
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...

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13. "hmmmm . . . ."
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20. "LOLOLOL"
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more like the Phantom of The Opera.


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23. "I'd rather see you do an try to perform Carmen"
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than watching Mos Def & Beyonce try to do a hip-hopera called "Carmen"

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36. "I think I have it in my Netflix Queue..."
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*embarrased*


I didn't want to shit on it without having seen it.



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44. "I saw it and I can kindly say it was awful"
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48. "dang."
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I heard it sucks, but I wanted to see it for myself. Now I'm not so sure, lol.



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29. "Hahaha"
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26. "you just invited them in here to call you a hater."
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but i hear you.
its like when lauryn hill did unplugged and quest got mad at people for 'hating' because she put her heart and soul out there for people blahblahblah

that's all well and good but learn more than 3 chords

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32. ""You a Hater" just means they have a small vocabulary."
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that doesn't even bother me anymore. That's the 2008 version of "Yo Mama", aka "not having an intelligent retort"


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54. "You really are a hater and it has nothing to do with anyone's vocabulary"
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You love to point the finger at other people and criticize like you are some kind of authority but all you are really doing is contributing to the current sad state of affairs within music. You don't make these posts to try and encourage or inspire people. You make these posts to tear people down because I think you are bitter and frustrated about your own lack of a music career. You still stuck in a cubicle wishing for the day that you could be in a position to do music fulltime and HATE the fact that other people, who you view as less talented, have achieved that. The fact that OKP is like a gathering place for people similar to yourself makes you feel validated but an objective person, such as myself, can clearly see alot of what drives you to make these crazy type of threads is your own bitter frustration.

But carry on!

I'm gonna log off now and get back to the business of making music...and not waste time posting on OKP all day long talking negatively about other people who could careless anyway.

Alot of yall cats act real BITCHASS sometimes and are part of the problem!

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65. "wow. you got me figured out."
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you gathered all that Intel from what I posted?

wow.


You know what, I was gonna go into a whole "thing" and tell you how wrong you are, but you know what? it would be pointless.

We're all sitting here having a discussion about what we see and hear in the world, but somehow you got all riled up.


You don't know anything about me OR my music, and based on the few convos you and I have had on or off the boards, I thought you were bigger than this. I guess not.


So I'll look at your "Please refer to post #38" standard reply and assume you truly DID log off.

Go chill out, have some Iced Tea, get your mind right and we can continue this on another day. It's a same you had to get all bent outta shape though. Maybe you ain't built for OKP.


amazing how you can determine my state of mind from a few Friday Fun posts and jokes about Kanye West. Well, go count your money, and Grammy Awards, and I'll be in here hating.





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101. "Oh shit. I remember that."
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"Please refer to post #38"


Like a verbose George Costanza.

Classic.

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117. "lol"
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124. "I'm eating lunch right now so i got 30 minutes to chop it up w/ you"
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>you gathered all that Intel from what I posted?
>
>wow.

No, it is an observation that has been made over a long period of time.

>You know what, I was gonna go into a whole "thing" and tell
>you how wrong you are, but you know what? it would be
>pointless.

Yeah because when all is said and done you really have no point. One of the things you are complaining about is the audience being short changed but you have never been apart of his audience and will never be so what are you really griping about? I could see if you had actually attended one of his shows but you haven't. It's clear if you attend his concert or have seen concert footage in its entirety that the audience *gasp* enjoys his little guitar segment. So as long as that continues to be the case who gives a damn if YOU don't.

>We're all sitting here having a discussion about what we see
>and hear in the world, but somehow you got all riled up.

Riled up? lol...I think the person who got riled up was you and thus you started this ridiculous thread and got called out for it.

>You don't know anything about me OR my music, and based on the
>few convos you and I have had on or off the boards, I thought
>you were bigger than this. I guess not.

Bigger than what? Being able to call you out on some bullshit? You seem to enjoy calling other artists out on what you feel is their bullshit so why should you be any different? You don't know those artists OR their music but you sit up on OKP all damn day posting out your belly talking negatively about them. What is the difference?

>So I'll look at your "Please refer to post #38" standard reply
>and assume you truly DID log off.

Yeah I did log off. A sista got responsibilities.

>Go chill out, have some Iced Tea, get your mind right and we
>can continue this on another day. It's a same you had to get
>all bent outta shape though. Maybe you ain't built for OKP.

Son, it is you who needs to get your mind right...for real B! I'm a CHARTER MEMBER of this biyatch so don't come at me with no fuckery about I ain't built for OKP just becasue I don't agree with you on this topic. I'll tell you what I ain't built for. BITCHASSNESS. That shit is like a contagious fucking disease that I ain't even trying to catch. So you can go on and just kick rocks with all of that.

>amazing how you can determine my state of mind from a few
>Friday Fun posts and jokes about Kanye West. Well, go count
>your money, and Grammy Awards, and I'll be in here hating.

It's amazing how you can determine Weezy's state of mind from watching a YouTube clip? lol

And you pointed out the fundamental difference between me and you...I'm working on winning a Grammy (or two or three or four) while you are seemingly working on reaching 100,000 posts on OKP. Now you tell me who needs to get they mind right fam cuz it damn sure ain't me.

And even though, I'm giving you the business right now I stil respect you and don't hold no hard feelings against you. We just disagree.

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157. "I was gonna let all this die for the greater good, but fuck it..."
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>No, it is an observation that has been made over a long period
>of time.

you're observing me and my posts? Thanks. I'm flattered.


>
>>You know what, I was gonna go into a whole "thing" and tell
>>you how wrong you are, but you know what? it would be
>>pointless.
>
>Yeah because when all is said and done you really have no
>point. One of the things you are complaining about is the
>audience being short changed but you have never been apart of
>his audience and will never be so what are you really griping
>about? I could see if you had actually attended one of his
>shows but you haven't. It's clear if you attend his concert or
>have seen concert footage in its entirety that the audience
>*gasp* enjoys his little guitar segment. So as long as that
>continues to be the case who gives a damn if YOU don't.


see, here's the thing. I started this post talking about a BUNCH of artists, some whom I even like ( Madlib, for example). But all YOU saw was L'il Wayne and assumed this was an attack on him. WRONG. W-R-O-N-G. Had you read the whole thing and understood where I was coming from, you and I might have have a healthy interaction and who knows? we might've understood each other and walk away from it as better people.. but Nope. You got all personal. You called me outta my name, but did I respond like that? nope.


Don't forget that when it gets ugly later.





>
>>We're all sitting here having a discussion about what we see
>>and hear in the world, but somehow you got all riled up.
>
>Riled up? lol...I think the person who got riled up was you
>and thus you started this ridiculous thread and got called out
>for it.

If "calling me out" was your mission, then you failed. I posted it up in HOPES of having a debate about it so nobody called ANYBODY out. That's what "in depth Music Discussion" is. a difference of opinion.


>
>>You don't know anything about me OR my music, and based on
>the
>>few convos you and I have had on or off the boards, I
>thought
>>you were bigger than this. I guess not.
>
>Bigger than what? Being able to call you out on some bullshit?
>You seem to enjoy calling other artists out on what you feel
>is their bullshit so why should you be any different? You
>don't know those artists OR their music but you sit up on OKP
>all damn day posting out your belly talking negatively about
>them. What is the difference?
>

I guess you're not posting when I'm sharing music with all the Lessonheads, sending out free shit in the mail, and participating in Appreciation posts. or the occasional "We need some fun, here's some Lainks" posts. Yeah, that's me. Mr Negative.


>>So I'll look at your "Please refer to post #38" standard
>reply
>>and assume you truly DID log off.


>
>Yeah I did log off. A sista got responsibilities.


Don't we ALL.


>Son, it is you who needs to get your mind right...for real B!
>I'm a CHARTER MEMBER of this biyatch


So am I. What's your point?



>so don't come at me with
>no fuckery about I ain't built for OKP just becasue I don't
>agree with you on this topic. I'll tell you what I ain't built
>for. BITCHASSNESS. That shit is like a contagious fucking
>disease that I ain't even trying to catch. So you can go on
>and just kick rocks with all of that.


You don't HAVE to agree. But there's different ways of disagreeing without getting all Emo and outta pocket ( which you did). You're out here trying to play Sigmund Freud like you know me or what I'm about. How is that supposed to play out? Was I supposed to just ignore it? I probably should have, but dude. You went above and beyond.


>
>>amazing how you can determine my state of mind from a few
>>Friday Fun posts and jokes about Kanye West. Well, go count
>>your money, and Grammy Awards, and I'll be in here hating.
>
>It's amazing how you can determine Weezy's state of mind from
>watching a YouTube clip? lol
>

*DEEP FUCKING SIGH*

This post wasn't about L'il Wayne, but I guess since your his bodyguard you had to take it there.



>And you pointed out the fundamental difference between me and
>you...I'm working on winning a Grammy (or two or three or
>four) while you are seemingly working on reaching 100,000
>posts on OKP. Now you tell me who needs to get they mind right
>fam cuz it damn sure ain't me.


well, when you win your Gramm(ies), I'll be first in line to congratulate you. If i'm not too busy wishing I was a world famous musician and hating on everything, I might even watch the telecast.




>
>And even though, I'm giving you the business right now I stil
>respect you and don't hold no hard feelings against you. We
>just disagree.
>

fair enough.


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161. "lol @ giving you the business"
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163. "this was all I could think of: *LAINK*"
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192. "LOL"
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76. "lol"
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84. "she REAL mad at ol' Disco, ain't she?"
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140. "Someone's mad... :("
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Real mad.

Didn't expect this kind of response.

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223. "woo hoo!"
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Where da hell did that come from? lol

  

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27. "People think it justifies shitty music"
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Like lonesome d said, there are some musicians who can barely play their instruments and make interesting music, and there are some guys who can really play who make boring music. As a musician, I have a certain level of respect for anyone who can really play their instrument, but it doesn't make me want to buy their music more if I still find it boring. On the flip, some of my favorite musicians really aren't that great at their instrument and I don't hold it against them.

One of the criticisms leveled against a lot of these performers is "oh he doesn't even play an instrument." As if the act of them simply playing an instrument will make their music better. If they're really not that good, then by all means leave to someone who can play. It reminds me of people who criticize artists for not writing their own songs. I mean shoot, if the end product is good, does it matter? Do we really need to her Britney Spears thoughts on the world in 3 minute song form? Do we really need to hear Weezy play guitar if it contributes nothing to his music?

  

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35. "yup."
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fuck you.

  

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31. "see also: The Love Below."
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Andre 3000's music/voice lessons disguised as an 'album'.

no thanks. for the most part.

fuck you.

  

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34. "*DING DING DING*"
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girl/fanboy: "but it was so creative!..."

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56. "not quite the same thing."
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3000 at least offered a finished product... he could seal the envelope, so to speak. and at that point, at least we can open it to valid criticism as fully meditated music.

when we're talking about someone like wayne grabbing a guitar, it seems to me we're on a whole other level of undeveloped skill. even if it's supposed to be novelty/just fun, it comes off as, literally, the sounds of a brand new guitar student.

3000's album never sounded, at least to my ears, like juvenilia. it sounded like underdeveloped experimentation - and some of it was bad - but i never felt that he "jumped in to soon" so to speak.


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59. "I loved that record though."
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Bottom line is Dre can write songs-and his production saavy put his vocal/musical chops (or lack thereof) over.


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61. "nope"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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193. "obligatory cosign...."
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For giving us the POS known as "Hey Ya"... *thunder sounds in background*

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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37. "I cant wait for the day I can shit in someone's palm...."
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and have them defend me....

buz pretty much that what alot of music "fans" do....

they take any table scraps theyre thrown and they act like its the greatest shit ever.....

THAT'S why music is fucked up....

because their always SOMEBODY who wants to twist shit around to make gold out of garbage....

if you cant play an instrument well, you shouldnt be playing the shit in public...end of story...

Now if you are a girl/guy with a crush on Wayne and you would like to fellate him...then youll ride for his shitty guitar playing...

but leave that on YOURSELF....dont piss in my face and tell me its raining....

dont DARE try to tell me that I should appreciate a motherfuckin non-musician playing an instrument.....

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38. "you mean GET PAID to shit in somebody's palm....but yeah..."
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plus all that other shit you said.





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57. "but who's telling you that you SHOULD appreciate it?"
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>dont DARE try to tell me that I should appreciate a
>motherfuckin non-musician playing an instrument.....

My own suggestion is just that we should refrain from shitting (in earnest, anyway) on folks who do appreciate it - for lack of context or whatever other reason they like it.

Captain Beefheart couldn't play the sax for doodley squat, but I certainly appreciate (even if I don't love) his music

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68. "well what's the point of even listening to music?"
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>My own suggestion is just that we should refrain from shitting
>(in earnest, anyway) on folks who do appreciate it - for lack
>of context or whatever other reason they like it.
>
>Captain Beefheart couldn't play the sax for doodley squat, but
>I certainly appreciate (even if I don't love) his music
>
>


I'm a fan of some artists who definitely AREN'T virtuosos. It doesn't mean they aren't making an honest effort.

I think you're missing my point, LD.


It's fine to suck. LOTS of people suck. But I take issue with people not CARING that they suck, or raising sucking to it's own art form with no regard for even TRYING to be good at what they do. Or people who listen to it blindly, without realizing that the artist in question is just going through the motions.





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83. "You're putting yourself into other folks' heads here, though."
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>It's fine to suck. LOTS of people suck. But I take issue with
>people not CARING that they suck, or raising sucking to it's
>own art form with no regard for even TRYING to be good at what
>they do. Or people who listen to it blindly, without realizing
>that the artist in question is just going through the
>motions.

as I mentioned elsewhere, that Weezy solo that Asoyini linked is actually marginally better than the one that imploded our eardrums a few months back.

He's clearly doing it to enhance his image, but if I'm not mistaken, a) he is improving, and b) word on the streets is that he IS taking lessons.

I dunno. it's pop music. Most folks listen to pop music blindly, without realizing that the artists are just going through thhe motions.

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141. "lo-d, he's not improving..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic5O1HM4whk
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142. ""
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143. "*shrug* I'm not sitting through alladat... I'll admit I was wrong instea..."
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A man can only take so much.

(Obviously I was comparing the one above, in which Wayne appears to at least remain mostly in key, with the previous one I saw where he was just all over the place.)

But I agree with your point to disco that it's a fine line between 'trying (and failing)' and 'trying (and succeeding despite lack of ability)' - and feel that the question is usually better left to the audience to determine rather than the tacticians looking in from the outside.

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146. "agreed"
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>But I agree with your point to disco that it's a fine line
>between 'trying (and failing)' and 'trying (and succeeding
>despite lack of ability)' - and feel that the question is
>usually better left to the audience to determine rather than
>the tacticians looking in from the outside.


i swear, i don't mind dude playing the guitar- even in public. but the spectacle of it... hyp men- "YEAH, ROCK STAR WEEZY"... sunsplash gave him dap for that?!

this is like puffy performing tom waits covers at his 'all white linen' hamptons party- it could be genuine...

(BUT IT PROLLY AIN'T!! SOMETHING IS PROLLY WRONG WITH THAT RIGHT CHEAH...)

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138. "call it avant-garde .."
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first:

>I'm a fan of some artists who definitely AREN'T virtuosos. It
>doesn't mean they aren't making an honest effort.

this sounds a lot like "at least they're trying." correct me if i'm wrong.

my main point though:


>It's fine to suck. LOTS of people suck. But I take issue with
>people not CARING that they suck, or raising sucking to it's
>own art form with no regard for even TRYING to be good at what
>they do. Or people who listen to it blindly, without realizing
>that the artist in question is just going through the
>motions.

man, i wholeheartedly agree. but i also suspect some might call this "avant-garde" ..that is, most new things (in music, art) are perceived as abominations (read: deviations from the norm) until years later when people call it genius. playing sour notes may very well turn into an artform in earnest; i mean, i think it already is. just a thought.

bottom line: weezy is an experimental musician lol. (at least half-serious though)

  

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251. "I JUST saw this. (Sorry),but here's my reply..."
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>first:
>
>>I'm a fan of some artists who definitely AREN'T virtuosos.
>It
>>doesn't mean they aren't making an honest effort.
>
>this sounds a lot like "at least they're trying." correct me
>if i'm wrong.
>

you're wrong. What I'm saying, is Fela ain't no great Sax player. But he took his shit seriously. He didn't bust his Sax out as a "Novelty" or as filler between songs.


>
>man, i wholeheartedly agree. but i also suspect some might
>call this "avant-garde" ..that is, most new things (in music,
>art) are perceived as abominations (read: deviations from the
>norm) until years later when people call it genius. playing
>sour notes may very well turn into an artform in earnest; i
>mean, i think it already is. just a thought.

again, though. the person you might be reffering to is actually trying to make music. Not turn his performance into a 'lighthearted moment' between songs.

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69. "that's what Im saying, tho...."
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Ive said it a million times....I like George Clinton's singing...the problem is that he cant sing....

so that's on ME....I keep that to myself...I dont go around telling ppl "G.Clinton is slept on as a vocalist..."

no hes not...he cant sing....

but IMO, it works for him....I enjoy it and keep it at that....

all Im saying is be real abt it....no plea coppin...


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78. "you will be called a hater *fingers to temples*"
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88. "you called it!"
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96. "Slow down son you killin' them! (c) Diddy"
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>and have them defend me....
>
>buz pretty much that what alot of music "fans" do....
>
>they take any table scraps theyre thrown and they act like its
>the greatest shit ever.....
>
>THAT'S why music is fucked up....
>
>because their always SOMEBODY who wants to twist shit around
>to make gold out of garbage....

preach!
>
>if you cant play an instrument well, you shouldnt be playing
>the shit in public...end of story...

yup!
>
>Now if you are a girl/guy with a crush on Wayne and you would
>like to fellate him...then youll ride for his shitty guitar
>playing...
>
>but leave that on YOURSELF....dont piss in my face and tell me
>its raining....
hahahhahaa...kells!
>
>dont DARE try to tell me that I should appreciate a
>motherfuckin non-musician playing an instrument.....

ding!
>
>FOHWTGDBS....

scorpion you speak the truth!
>
>
>*******
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>
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>
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129. "^^^^^^^^has NO FANS and is JEALOUS"
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lol

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136. "hey now..."
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it ain't that.

you posted the link- what happened at 1:18 or so where the video was jumps/ was fast-forwarded?

all fun & games aside...

(prince had a bball basket onstage for the Lovesexy tour, and shot a few buckets during the show- i understand taking a personal moment on stage)

if wayne keeps doing that, even his core fans are going to call boolsheet... that sunsplash 'moment of fun' was straight crickets from the 1:00min mark til the glitch/jump in the video.

if duke wanted to lip sync a song or two for kicks, not everybody would dap him up for the comedy of it all...

i'm good with people taking up new things, but this is slightly different. this is like famous people deciding to release albums out of nowhere (except its generally ok to bust on paris hilton for 'having fun'... pun intended)

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153. "It IS that"
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Wed Jul-30-08 05:10 PM by Asoyini

          

Look at how he started his post:

"I can't wait for the day I..."

He's jealous that someone he perceives as having lesser talent then him is getting love from ALOT of people. He wants to be in that position.

The fact that this dude actually thinks people are saying Weezy is good is LOL funny. Noone said that.

He is underestimating the intelligence of Weezy, the intelligence of the fans in the audience and the intelligence of anyone who is presenting a different point of view from his.

If it wasn't an ongoing thing with this dude I wouldn't even say anything but certain cats round here spend day in and day out bitching and moaning about the the current state of music and love to criticize ANYONE who has had success doing music that they don't approve of. Who gives a damn? if they ain't attending the concerts or listening to the music then why the fuck do they care? These cats don't even do Hip Hop music...they on some House shit. Why are they bitching about something that has nothing to do with them? Especially when it is clear that ALOT of people in the REAL WORLD don't agree.

Who the fuck made them the authority? No one but themselves, so they will get called out...as they should!

They are JEALOUS...and I find the whole thing sad.

When you never have anything positive to say about someone, sometimes it's best to not say anything. If these dudes could at least find something positive to say no one could call them a hater... but they NEVER do that. So the hating title is quite appropriate for them.

The time and energy they spend hating on strangers whose radar they don't even register on, would be better spent concentrating on their own craft. They should be trying to win new fans and should be trying to expose their music to new audiences as much as possible. Perhaps they will find the success they so desperately crave. But it ain't gonna happen with that shitty attitude and unsportsmanlike conduct they display on a regular basis.

That's all I have to say!

So anyone who doesn't like MY point of view and think I'm mad and overreacting can fuck off!

I ain't a Weezy fangirl but I respect his WORK ETHIC and GRIND.

Nuff people round here could learn a thing or two from it!








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173. "u ma'am...are a riot."
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did u ever listen to those links i gave u? im still waiting on my no-holds barred Asoyini critique.

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221. "I listened...you sound decent"
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I would have to catch the vibes live in the party before I give a critique. Making a Mix CD is different than rocking a party.

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226. "bet. when you play Detroit i'll open for you."
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RESTORE THE ROAR.

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227. "Imma hold you to that now so don't disappoint me! lol"
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...

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258. "Cotdamn"
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I'm half way considering etching that post onto two huge stone tablets...that shit is the Gospel

  

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40. "its called: practice*"
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something that majority of these "artists" lack these days...
most don't even bother practicing.
but on topic society as a whole is being taught to except mediocrity as a way of life..standards are mocked it seems

yeah however,
the stage is NOT the place you go to work out ur ideas...
like I said that's what practice and rehearsals are for.



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45. "in a perverse way, i think the roots' hip-hop 101 applies here"
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they are trying to justify lean wit it rock wit it and this is why im hot and shyt like that. i mean, most of the shit they play during that is nice (like adding flashing lights to the set on the vortex tour).

but trying to justify that bullshit just cause they play instruments well is inappropriate.

  

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66. "actually, their justifying themselves when they play that..."
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flipping what folks think is hot via instruments is the roots making themselves look good.

>they are trying to justify lean wit it rock wit it and this
>is why im hot and shyt like that. i mean, most of the shit
>they play during that is nice (like adding flashing lights to
>the set on the vortex tour).
>
>but trying to justify that bullshit just cause they play
>instruments well is inappropriate.

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74. "??? i don't follow. nm"
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46. "Weezy is the Baal of hiphop"
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kneegrows couldn't wait for som'n real (or were looking in the all the wrong places)

and then made a golden calf outta whatever scraps and semi-decent artistry was lying around JUST so they'd have som'n to praise...

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207. "RE: Weezy is the Baal of hiphop"
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lol......I agree


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52. "So Why Did Lauryn Hill Get A Pass On Her Unplugged Album"
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All she did was play the same basic chords over & over again in every song but nobody ever said shit about her failing at it.

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63. "she got called all over the boards. As for yout other point"
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>All she did was play the same basic chords over & over again
>in every song but nobody ever said shit about her failing at
>it.

the idea that you *need* more than three chords to write good songs is ridiculous. Thousands upono thousands of great and very different songs have been written using two or three chords, and there are thousands more waiting to be written.

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89. "yup- all 4 chords of Hey Ya make a great song..."
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and l-hill was overly-dogged, although i recognize where that came from; she was coming off of a super-tour with a super-band, then disappeared... sliding out purely on her own rather raw guitar skills wasn't capable of withstanding the anticipation.

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67. "I recall there being a lot of hate around that."
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I liked the message she delivered....however I don't feel she is different and deserves the same set standards as everyone else.
I think shit is all off balance anyways...I mean we accept mediocre singers so why not musicians?


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77. "has anyone gone back and listened to this album lately?"
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i played it for the first time in a while and was actually kind of impressed.

it sounds half-assed at points, but some of the songs are really, really good.


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80. "where were you when it dropped? it got DOGGED"
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106. "the criticism she got for that was WAY over the top."
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118. "she shoulda learnt more chords"
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121. "thhat's a bullshit response."
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Maybe the songs on the disc weren't good.

Maybe the performances were not good.

But 'she shoulda learnt more chords' is a bullshit reason to put some music down.

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123. "LOL all the fuckin songs sounded the same."
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had she known more chords or had a better command of the guitar
the 2 hours wouldn't have been so boring.

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128. "That's highly debatable."
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>had she known more chords or had a better command of the
>guitar
>the 2 hours wouldn't have been so boring.

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151. "she should learn more chords."
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216. "I Was Here But It's So Many Lauryn Hill Fans Who Love That CD"
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They don't see no wrong with that live show, I was bored after 5 songs.

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58. "i agree with standards being lowered"
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but that statement is drenched in subjectivity. whose standards? who sets the standards for hip hop? for music?

i see weezy's guitar "playing" as showmanship: people expect to see him rap, and he breaks out guitar. that's it. he's not trying to pass it off as music. though i wouldn't be surprised if he's taking lessons so that at one show, he'll play a decent riff and really turn heads.

...maybe after the rehab.

  

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62. "the link posted above is actually a slight improvement over"
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the one posted a few months back.

It's still not good though, but the crowd again seems to enjoy it.

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60. "every time i need a laugh"
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i watch that weezy guitar video...

that shit is pure comedy

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64. "i agree but..."
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we have a generation of lackluster musicians, who most cant sing/play an instruemnt.... i respect wayne/ tpain trying to make themselves better as musicians, granted i think they need more lessons, but damnit whats wrong with trying to be better?

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70. "nothing at all."
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>i respect wayne/ tpain trying to
>make themselves better as musicians, granted i think they need
>more lessons, but damnit whats wrong with trying to be
>better?


but practice at home.


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71. "i'm sad that the qualifications of haterism are so low"
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that the qualifications of haterism are so low. apparently, just thinking that someone who does something very badly should not be doing it in public is enough to qualify you as a hater. what about me, yo? i think neither janet nor madonna can sing and they shouldn't try.

is it a post-sixties diy/punk thing, where doing something badly is accepted as spontaneous and "fun"?

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82. "its the reason why hip hop sux now. you're not allowed to call anything"
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wack anymore.

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85. "^^^Temple of Truth^^^"
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87. "Sha Mecca=DAUGHTER OF MOSES"
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103. "hi hater!!"
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120. "the irony of this reply is i love that song lol"
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i don't really fuck with maino tho but that song?? lol

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112. "And you have only Sean Combs to thank."
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150. "RE: its the reason why hip hop sux now. you're not allowed to call anyth..."
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>wack anymore.

Thank YOU!

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205. "Cha CHING!"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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73. "I liked Lauryns unplugged....didn't like Waynes soloing"
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But I like her unplugged more for the backstory and the words of the songs than the actual guitar playing. I know this might sound corny and is in no way Stanning but...

she was like a wounded soldier who disappeared...we all knew she got hit, but she came back on the battle field with some crutches. Was it the smartest thing to do?

No

Did I admire her courage to be vulnerable and share her art in the shape that she and her songs were in?

Yes

Yeah, she only knew 3 chords, but she actually played them..and sang at the same time...which takes thinking from a different part of your brain than just singing or playing. I and friends of mine have had to re learn instruments when we tried to sing and play at the same time.

Wayne...well I have yet to hear Wayne play some chords...shit, I have yet to hear Wayne play in key.


I look at it all as art overall and Wayne's performance was a piece of art that I didn't like. Nothing more, nothing less.


I'm not surprised the masses don't know what is good or bad playing...thats what happens when you cut funding for the arts and remove the collaborative side of art and replace (instead of enhance) it with technology.

I'm ok with T-Pain and Wayne doing what they do with their instruments. I makes people like Esperanza Spalding and Dwele look that much better. So I won't cut them down...I'll just boost the talent that I like.


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79. "people are very willing to accept mediocrity"
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Not just in music but in all sorts of stuff.

Whereas talent and sincerity used to be an essential or determining factor in being respected, now many people's sole criteria is "Is it selling/Are they paid?"

If the person in question is judged to be "winning," then you are supposed to accept them without question, or at least "respect their hustle."

Those who don't are labelled "haters" or "bitter" which is really just another form of peer pressure to conform.

  

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86. "Its a HUGE problem in hip hop"
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imo

NO other music can do shit like that

IF YOU CANT PLAY THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE FUCKING AROUND ON STAGE PERIOD

I feel what asoyni was saying though its not the whole show

Wayne isnt really a problem imo
its the fact that as hip hop fans we hop up and act like we never seen nobody play a guitar before and be all impressed

thats where the L is

i think the damaja said something to that effect about Jay at the coachella joint

us acting all impressed and mesmurized is the problem


Hip Hop we have mastered the art of defending it
so now rap dudes can do ANY thing
and fans will defend it

even when its not worth defending

thats why wack niggas can make wack album/records
cause hip hop fans are actively looking for an excuse for you

i mean the fact that a rapper who is known to be trash at rapping can get by because of swag is an abomination in itself

i wonder how that would work in other genre's

ex:
"man he is a TERRIBLE guitar player and makes our songs suck dude....but he sure has good confidence in himself and he carries himself really well its sexy" -this is basically what you are saying anytime you give a swag pass-

  

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95. "http://www.you aintneverlied.com/jaescott77_dropping_science"
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90. "RE: so let's discuss the "at least he's trying" phenomenon."
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But wouldn't this mentality pretty much eliminate most Punk rock? I know you mentioned that what the Sex Pistols did was "ok" for some reason but I know plenty of people who see no difference between what they any many of their fellow punk rockers were doing and what Wayne is doing. Johnny Rotten CAN NOT sing so how is that any different than Wayne not being able to play a guitar?

  

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92. "see post # 7"
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98. "RE: see post # 7"
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I saw the post I just disagree that it's ok what they Pistols did but not ok what Wayne is doing. If we're talking about standards they were barely proficient playing their instruments and Johnny couldn't sing at all on any level. And you could apply that to many Punk & or Indie Rock bands so I don't see it being any different.

  

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99. "I'll dig a little deeper."
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Punk, by definition was SUPPOSED to be anti-music. So Bad is Good in Punk ( in a manner of speaking ).

Hip-Hop was built on besting your competitors. You're supposed to be the best dude in the Game in Hip-Hop. That's why people used to battle.


not excusing the Pistols for sucking, but in that realm it's ok. Punk came about as an answer to the highly polished ( see also: Glam) scene that Rock had turned into. The Same difference between Hair Metal and Grunge/Alternative.



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107. "RE: I'll dig a little deeper."
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>Punk, by definition was SUPPOSED to be anti-music. So Bad is
>Good in Punk ( in a manner of speaking ).
>
> Hip-Hop was built on besting your competitors. You're
>supposed to be the best dude in the Game in Hip-Hop. That's
>why people used to battle.
>
>
>not excusing the Pistols for sucking, but in that realm it's
>ok. Punk came about as an answer to the highly polished ( see
>also: Glam) scene that Rock had turned into. The Same
>difference between Hair Metal and Grunge/Alternative.

But I think it can be argued that Hip Hop is "anti-music" as well. No melody, the artists don't sing or play instruments (in general), etc. I'd say you can also say that Hip Hop developed as well after many of the public school music programs were cut. My point is that I'm with you on having standards and that we shouldn't reward people for "trying" but I don't think that Punk or any other genre should be let off the hook for that crime either. I'd love to bring back the "Showtime At the Apollo" mentality where if you're on stage your ass better be good or else. >
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114. "how 'bout this: punks were not 'just trying', they were doing..."
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cats wrote songs and played them out.

wayne is twiddling with the guitar over his pre-recorded show music.

now if punk bands suddenly stopped mid-show and broke out the drum machine in a shitty manner, it wouldn't be well-received within the context of the situation.



>>Punk, by definition was SUPPOSED to be anti-music. So Bad
>is
>>Good in Punk ( in a manner of speaking ).
>>
>> Hip-Hop was built on besting your competitors. You're
>>supposed to be the best dude in the Game in Hip-Hop. That's
>>why people used to battle.
>>
>>
>>not excusing the Pistols for sucking, but in that realm it's
>>ok. Punk came about as an answer to the highly polished (
>see
>>also: Glam) scene that Rock had turned into. The Same
>>difference between Hair Metal and Grunge/Alternative.
>
>But I think it can be argued that Hip Hop is "anti-music" as
>well. No melody, the artists don't sing or play instruments
>(in general), etc. I'd say you can also say that Hip Hop
>developed as well after many of the public school music
>programs were cut. My point is that I'm with you on having
>standards and that we shouldn't reward people for "trying" but
>I don't think that Punk or any other genre should be let off
>the hook for that crime either. I'd love to bring back the
>"Showtime At the Apollo" mentality where if you're on stage
>your ass better be good or else. >
>>
>>
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182. "Nah, it wasn't anti-music, it was rock the way it is SUPPOSED to be play..."
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It was the prog-rockers and symphonic pop music that had gotten it wrong, punk just took the music back to its roots. I guess you could say the same thing about the "grunge"-stars (taking heavy rock back to Sabbath who weren't flashy or slick in the slightest), unfortunately they took all the FUN and escapeism out of heavy rock and replaced it with whining self-pity and heroin-addictions...

  

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108. "difference is it just not aesthetically pleasing imo"
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im not bothered if you cant play well technically if it sounds good


lil wayne was neither so why are ppl defending him?

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109. "RE: difference is it just not aesthetically pleasing imo"
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"I'd say The Pistols equally unpleasing to my ears either and I'm not defending him saying it's a good think. I think it sucks as well."

I meant to say are equally as unpleasing.

  

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110. "ok i notice you said "most""
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ok nevermind

cause BB were known to be incredible musicians
in the technical sense
thats why they owned in that genre
cause they were some of the few that REALLY could tear ass

  

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180. "Sex Pistols weren't BAD musicians..."
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They were bad by prog-rock standards because their music was simple and not slick but so were the early Beatles or Chuck Berry and numerous other. Making music that is simple and raw doesn't mean that your'e a bad musician, I've never listened to "Never mid the bollocks" and felt that it was sloppy (note that this was before Sid was in the band), I actually feel it sounds a bit too slick compared with the Ramones or Pagans or whoever...

That Rotten couldn't "sing" is another thing but you could say that about Mick Jagger and numerous other singers as well-being a technically good singer is not valued in rock and especially not punk-rock...

You have to judge music on its own terms and what it is trying to accomplish and if you don't like the style in question, just ignore it. Luryn Hill's live-album wasn't bad because the songs were simple and unpolished, it was bad because the songs were not good, I'd still take it over Toto though...

  

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104. "Kinda like Kanye on the mic?"
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>"At least he's trying".
>
>when did "trying" on a public stage become acceptable?

I like the dude a lot but he's no wordsmith.

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115. "Thank you."
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Just because he doesn't rap about what the next rapper in the spotlight or trying to get in the spotlight raps about doesn't mean shit if he's equally as mediocre as that next rapper. Creative, unique, different, real hip hop, etcetera has become the new good/great to those desperate to see the hip hop they grew up listening to come back to prominence.

  

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105. "whats worse is the "he's just having fun" excuse..."
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...9 people in a post saying somethings trash ..then 1 cat comes in and says "well at least he's having fun with it" ...lol, what????

  

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113. "I kinda agree."
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If he is doing it at all these shows...it loses the just having fun thing. I mean, shouldn't he be getting better if he's doing this often...even if it is just on stage?

That reggaefest video that was posted was awful, why did he have the hold the mic when it was on the stand? He had to take time to hold the mic and then find his place on the frets. Even if he just kept his hands where they needed to be, it could have at least flowed. That was kind of annoying. Maybe i just need to see more, but it not like he wasn't a good guitar player and it sounded good.

  

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279. "yeah.. that shit is pretty terrible too.."
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usually, after I hear that... I just cut and run.

  

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111. "Yea trying is a terrible word I took that shit out my vocab"
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either you got it or you don't

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116. "lol"
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134. "speak on it!"
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lol

  

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188. "i've been pondering this all day.."
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I mean I completely agree with Disco but to some extent..

Wayne is a rockstar though meaning he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

That's why I think it is awesome that he can play the guitar (as shitty as it was) along to leather so soft and still have the crowd going crazy.

I still don't know how i feel about this..

but i think yall are being too hard on him and are just looking for a reason to hate.

i've only seen like two videos of him on the guitar so it's not like he's doing that shit at every show he does.



  

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224. "post 141..."
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>i've only seen like two videos of him on the guitar so it's
>not like he's doing that shit at every show he does.
>

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243. "damn..."
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**swallows all defense**

  

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125. "how did i miss this thread? cosignage to the fullest"
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132. "if you say 'trying', it implies there's something insufficient about"
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what they already CAN do

that's what i don't like about it

i thought this post was going to be about conscious rappers

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135. "LOL @ cats cosigning the abomination that is Wayne's "playing""
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FOH, y'all.


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137. "Who's cosigning it?"
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It sucks.

But he seems to enjoy it, and it seems to be well-accepted by his fans, and THAT is what it is all about.

When are you going to be ready to break out your own axe? Thos front row chicks'll be a-swoonin'...

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147. "Exactly!!"
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>It sucks.
>
>But he seems to enjoy it, and it seems to be well-accepted by
>his fans, and THAT is what it is all about.

This is the truth that they just don't want to accept. No one in this thread said Weezy can play the guitar but these cats are acting like he's being hailed as some kind of virtuoso. *smh*

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152. "but that's what makes the shit corny though."
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and people have a right to call the shit what it is without being called 'haters'

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155. "Corny to YOU perhaps"
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>and people have a right to call the shit what it is without
>being called 'haters'

Nah you don't have that right. That shit used to be a privelege that you had to EARN. Nowadays any Joe Schmoe can post on the Internet and try and class themself as an authority. FOH

I'm curious to know if you think you can do better than Weezy or Lauryn? If so, please demonstrate your talents. I would love to see this.

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162. "lol you sound like an idiot. no i can't play guitar THATS WHY THE FUCK"
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I DON'T GO ON STAGE STRUMMING THAT SHIT. i have one sitting in my room right now. and no you will not hear me play it until i have
a full grasp of the fucking instrument. that's the damn point being made.
anybody could go up on stage and half ass a fucking instrument.
that's not talent, in wayne's case it's being smacked out of his mind high on stage
in lauryn's case it's short changing herself as a musician
she showed her ass when she didn't pay those newArk people then
got on stage and cried and strummed the same 3 chords for two hours.
i enjoyed 3 of the songs she performed tremendously
the rest just sounded like one long continous song
had she known more chords or gotten a guitarist with more experience
to play i would be bumping unplugged RIGHT NOW because i'm that
big of a lauryn fan.

now excuse me while i go do what i know how to do, emcee.

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164. "So in other words you nuh have no real BLOODCLAAAT TALENT"
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or even the BALLS to get up on stage and try something "different" then what is expected of you in front of a LIVE audience, so instead you ride the sideline pine and disrespect those who do. Oh okay...thanks for clearing that up. lol

All you need is 3 chords and the truth (c)BONO

>now excuse me while i go do what i know how to do, emcee.

And some would argue that you don't know how to do that well either. lol

Since you are an artist... when you can get your business together sufficiently enough to release a commercially available product, do some shows on a regular basis, perhaps tour a little and actually gain a real fanbase, then perhaps you can speak with some authority. Until then my dear it is you who sounds like di eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeediot. lol



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165. "i could never have anything ever recorded in life and still have more"
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talent in just my pinky than you will ever have, ma.
let's come back to reality for one moment please.
thanks.

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168. "LMAO"
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>talent in just my pinky than you will ever have, ma.
>let's come back to reality for one moment please.
>thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

Come up off of the sidelines and PROVE it!


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210. "WTF is this shit??"
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wow

  

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218. "we call it a meltdown where i'm from lol"
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219. "You got alot of mouth behind that keyboard you behind"
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for someone who hasn't ACHIEVED jack shit in music.

Mind how you chat to me cuz you a empty barrel

Mi ago show yuh mi class...

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Dem type a man deh rate mi.

Mi nah go gi yuh no further warning cuz if yuh fool fool enough to run off yuh mouth without finding di full hundred about who yuh a chat it will be my pleasure to kick up yuh raasclaaat when yuh least expect it. Memba mi tell yuh!

Betta yuh make a friend den an enemy

Watch yuh speech youngin.

Str8

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222. "lol and the meltdown continues"
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edit: p.s. if you really think i care about you and your wack music and if ricky trooper rate you lmao lmao lmao <-- lol

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225. "LMAO...you would sooooo like that to be the case wouldn't you?"
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>edit: p.s. if you really think i care about you and your wack
>music and if ricky trooper rate you lmao lmao lmao <-- lol

The fact that you all up in this thread riding my coattails says otherwise. lol

The difference between me and you are many but let me point something out. You have Ricky Trooper in your top list while Ricky Trooper has me in his. I really don't care if you think I'm wack. You ain't an authority or someone who can do jack shit for me on a music or business level, so your opinion truly is irrelevant. I doubt you are even familiar with my discography to speak knowledgably... but one thing is for certain...you ain't in my CLASS. So my suggestion to you is to either get in the game OR continue to ride the pine and stfu until you ready to make it happen for yourself FOR REAL. I'm from the era where you had to SHOW and PROVE and so far you haven't shown not a goddamn thing but a whole bunch of trash talking.

Now I could wild out and get real ignant up in here if need be cuz I have a little time today to relax and tell a few jokes but I really don't think you want that cuz like I said... empty barrels make the most noise! lol

The choice is yours though.



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228. "i'm riding YOUR coattails? you sure about that? you replied under"
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my initial reply (albiet to disco dj)

then again you replied to me calling something corny.

again, i'm riding YOUR coattails? really?



again i'm over here lmao if you think i care about what ricky trooper thinks about your music
wouldn't you like to know why he's in my top friends? lol

mind you don't catch a heart attack getting all riled up lol

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229. "I'm talking about the entire thread dumb dumb"
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>again i'm over here lmao if you think i care about what ricky
>trooper thinks about your music
>wouldn't you like to know why he's in my top friends? lol

Are you fucking kidding me? I could careless why he's in your top list. lol

>mind you don't catch a heart attack getting all riled up lol

Sweetheart, I am far from riled up. I wasn't riled up yesterday and I'm not riled up today. I speak and type with CONVICTION cuz I know what I'm talking about. So if you think you of all people can get me riled up then you are fucking delusional and in need of medical attention. You pose no threat whatsoever cuz I am a LIONESS... so I suggest you tek wey yuh dutty HYAENA self and scurry along now...you starting to bore me already. LOL

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230. "i'm laughing at jokes not riding your coattails. you're a joke so"
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i laugh at you. regardless of who your dumb ass was i'd laugh 'cause you're saying a bunch of nonsense and losing your mind over fuckin lil wayne criticism. get a grip on life.

keep lurking on my myspace though, you might learn something lol

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231. "Sista, you are all TALK and no ACTION"
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>keep lurking on my myspace though, you might learn something
>lol

And what exactly would that be? How to FAIL? How to post up pictures that make you look like a MAN in DRAG? How to post up audio that sounds like you recorded it during FLU SEASON...sounding all stuffed up and sore throated?

I see your tagline says "The Real Ms. Rap Supreme"...how come you ain't make the show? Perhaps it was becasue you actually have to be a FEMALE to participate?

I mean damn...I could go on and on...LMAO

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232. "^^riled up."
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i didn't make the show because i was TOO GOOD

lol @ you calling me a man and you eat pussy. foh

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234. "^^^^^lacks creative wit"
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>i didn't make the show because i was TOO GOOD

Nah you didn't make the show cuz it wasn't called Ms. TRANNY Supreme

lmao

>lol @ you calling me a man and you eat pussy. foh

From the pics on your page I can't even tell if you have a pussy or not so I'll pass...but thanks for the subliminal offer.

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235. "OOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!! YOU GOT ME THEREEEE!!!!!"
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0_0

you were born this corny i'm guessing.

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237. "^^^^^ couldn't come up with a funny reply"
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...

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266. "makes the two of us."
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267. "it took you 12 hours to reply and say that?"
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Sista, I'm gonna end this little discussion with you because it is non-productive. 12 hours ago I had the free time to run some jokes, but now I am back in the studio mixing down tracks and actually working...and once I'm done with this batch processing I gotta focus in. But good luck to you...even though it is quite clear you do not wish me the same!

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187. "kinda off-topic, but this argument has always irked me."
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>I'm curious to know if you think you can do better than Weezy
>or Lauryn? If so, please demonstrate your talents. I would
>love to see this.
>

And all it really boils down to is how subjective this whole thing is in the first place. This isn't even about Weezy or whoever you want to name. Let's take Artist X. You're a fan. I think he/she/it/whatever is the worst garbage in the world. You take offense to that, and you say, "I'D LOVE TO SEE YOU DO BETTER!" Well, if I'M fucking making it, of *course* I'M going to think my own shit is better than Artist X's crap. I could release a tape of myself farting over and over again for 40 minutes and since I made it and put my own time and effort into it, I would gladly rather listen to my own shit (literally and figuratively speaking) than some stuff I don't like. You may not. Tough. Again, this whole thing is totally subjective.

  

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189. "Co-sign..."
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I'd take a tape of me banging rhythms on a table over music I don't like anyday of the week...

  

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197. "RE: Corny to YOU perhaps"
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>>and people have a right to call the shit what it is without
>>being called 'haters'
>
>Nah you don't have that right. That shit used to be a
>privelege that you had to EARN. Nowadays any Joe Schmoe can
>post on the Internet and try and class themself as an
>authority. FOH

If Wayne's got the right to assault my ears then I've got the right to question his intelligence for having done so.

>I'm curious to know if you think you can do better than Weezy
>or Lauryn? If so, please demonstrate your talents. I would
>love to see this.

What the hell would that matter? For the record, I'm probably on Lauryn's level guitar-wise. Compared to Weezy, I'm Satriani.





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199. "is that good or bad, LOL?!?!?"
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>. Compared to Weezy, I'm
>Satriani.



there was a guy in my dorm who had a guitar and he's leave his room open and play the loudest most bombastic guitar solos the world has ever heard, the other dudes on the floor mockingly called him Joe Satriani.



he LOVED it though, lol.



of course when people tried to get him to play songs with the other guys that played, he never would. his experience was confined to shredding.


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233. "Lol-It's bad that I can be Satriani compared to *Anyone*"
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>
>>. Compared to Weezy, I'm
>>Satriani.
>
>
>
>there was a guy in my dorm who had a guitar and he's leave
>his room open and play the loudest most bombastic guitar solos
>the world has ever heard, the other dudes on the floor
>mockingly called him Joe Satriani.
>
>
>
>he LOVED it though, lol.
>
>
>
>of course when people tried to get him to play songs with the
>other guys that played, he never would. his experience was
>confined to shredding.

LOL! Those cats are the worst. Practiced scales for hours every day of their life for years and never developed an ear enough to be able to play with other cats.


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196. "RE: Who's cosigning it?"
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>It sucks.
>
>But he seems to enjoy it, and it seems to be well-accepted by
>his fans, and THAT is what it is all about.

He hasn't a shred of talent when it comes to guitar. And from the looks of all the videos posted, he's not getting any better. I agree with Disco. Just because his fans are clueless doesn't mean we can't call garbage when we see it.

>When are you going to be ready to break out your own axe? Thos
>front row chicks'll be a-swoonin'...

Ha-I'll play bass on gigs here & there. But it's always the dudes that are more impressed at that stuff these days, lol.



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139. "How did this post become an 'attack' on Lil' Wayne?"
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Madlib and a few others were used as examples, I believe. Jesus Christ, read the goddamn post.

I swear to Joe Pesci, you'd think they were Wayne's family members.

When I go up and arms on motherfuckers dissing the new GZA album, I don't want nobody sayin' SHIT! LOL

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148. "For two reasons"
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1. It's somehwta of a spinoff of previous posts

2. During the course of the conversation Weezy got singled out.


>Madlib and a few others were used as examples, I believe.
>Jesus Christ, read the goddamn post.

No shit Sherlock. This is what happens when you join the conversation late...you miss the flow of realtime posting.

>I swear to Joe Pesci, you'd think they were Wayne's family
>members.

Well damn...Weezy must have hundreds of thousands of family members then who *gasp* enjoy his show! *smh*

>When I go up and arms on motherfuckers dissing the new GZA
>album, I don't want nobody sayin' SHIT! LOL

Trust me I won't. LOL

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175. "LOL why are you being hostile towards me?"
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Chi~ll. (c) Little Brother

And I wasn't talking about Wayne's fans as a whole, I'm talking about the people going absolutely APE SHIT over this thread who think that it's all about Wayne and no one else, instead of discussing the topic at hand.

There was no discussion here. Just a bunch of "youse a hater" and "you're an idiot!" rhetoric from fans taking the post way too personal. I mean, if I'm "late" in this conversation, and it's deeper than what it is, then OK, I'll bow out of it, 'cause I don't need to waste time going back and forth with you with namecalling and snappy comebacks. I'm too old to be doing that.

But my statement still stands:

<jokes>When that GZA album come out, and I go apeshit bananas when a Kramer says something negative about him, I don't want nobody sayin' a COTdamn thing. </jokes>

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154. "because some people can't read. Nothing more than that."
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>Madlib and a few others were used as examples, I believe.
>Jesus Christ, read the goddamn post.


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156. "Your premise is WEAK and completely subjective"
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No matter who you cite as an example.

Stop watching what the next person is or isn't doing so closely and pay attention to what YOU need to do.

Get in the studio!

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159. "Peace(C) You"
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166. "RE: because some people can't read."
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seriously.

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158. "It never was."
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wayne was simply the lead example name given...there were others mentioned..but I think cause its wayne it played to folk sensitivities and now folk gotta ride with their arguments for the sake of.....just.

so yeah this post WAS about working out ur new found artistic qirks on your own time and not the paying fans.
also the real jist of the post shouldve been about the fact we ARE acceptant of mediocrity. but of course....that was never acknowledged....lol

er thing else out side of these points were reactionary emotional responses.....without really reading or getting the actual understanding.
basis: perception.


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160. "they heard the name "Lil Wayne" and Blacked out..."
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I swear, saying that cats name is worse than saying "Beetlejuice".





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167. "lol that's exactly what the fuck happened."
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funny just 5 years ago mentioning lil wayne in a music discussion woulda got you laughed at.
i remember saying i liked the block is hot and getting dissed
now he got rabid fans

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213. "Asonyi at the moment THAT happened:"
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217. "LOL"
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149. "we bought the monkeys through Milli Vannelli trying"
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nothing new at all. i mean have the image and sell the Product. A for effort and guitar hero and games of the like ain't selling by accident.

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170. "RE: so let's discuss the "at least he's trying" phenomenon."
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I can't wait until John Mayer releases a rap track dissing Lil Wayne's guitar playing abilities on his new mixtape "JM, White Bitches, and Face Melting Guitar Solos".


oh wait...that'd be kinda like the same thing that Weeeeeeeezy is doing.

Whoops.

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172. "It wouldn't be like that all...more like MJB spittin that verse"
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What Wayne is doing is more so like Mary J. Blige rapping at the end of that one song "I tried" a little back, and performing it at live shows...was her verse an absolute stellar verse comparable to those of the greatest rappers of all time? No...but that wasn't the intent, nor the fucking point...Mary thought it would be fun to spit a verse, and she did so because she's earned the type of relationship with her loyal fanbase where she can do fun stuff like that and it makes sense...to sit around all super seriously with all the phony indignation in the world pretending to be shocked and appalled that MJB would offend the high holy art of MC'ing by spitting an amateurish couple of bars, is quite literally "not getting the point"...I mean, do you people honestly don't get the novelty factor of T-Pain playing drums to the beat of one of Rick Ross' tracks while he's performing?

  

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174. "bad example potna. MJB been spittin since 411."
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176. "Doesn't really matter when she first did it"
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She's a non-rapper that sparringly spits a verse for the sheer joy and novelty of it...

Or do you take Mary J. Blige seriously as an emcee and critique her attempts with a fine toothed comb and cry about how wack of a rapper she is and how she is offending the entire artform by doing so? Do you rank MJB when you consider the all time great femcees? Would you say she's "ill"? And if she's not in your opinion, does it disgust you that she dare walk on stage and spit a rhyme? Shouldn't she sit her ass down somewhere until she's refined her skills to the point where she's the female version of Rakim?

Or do you just take it for what it is? Which is not that damn serious in the first?

  

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179. "bruh, this really ain't about skills..."
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its about wackness.

if wayne was on some "biz markie's singing" shit, i would understand... but he's not. dude is 'playing rock star' cuz its a cool look- i get that. but he's actually getting props, on some ol' "HA, YOU AIN'T KNOW WEEZY COULD PLAY!"

...which is what the original post was about.

-it coulda been about Bush doing the fist bump (corny)
-it coulda been about anthony keidis's rapping (wack)
-it coulda been about Ghostface playing the piano ('cept GFK had the good sense to fake that shit)

its about the fact that he's getting the thumbs up & a slap on the back... meanwhile, folks still yakkin' 'bout "Kanye can't rap".

the shit is like 'social promotion'; i'd have no problem with guitar shenanigans- but i guarantee you that this is going to end negatively, cuz he's going to keep doing it, cuz mofos ain't really acting like its as wack as it is.

ps. MJB can rhyme good enough. but if she rhymed like roseanne barr, i would call her out for it- folly/frivolity/novelty or not...


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171. "I CLEARLY watched a different video of T-Pain drumming than all of you"
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Wayne was completely incompetent on guitar

T-Pain sounds completely competent on drums

  

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183. "Im Hip, T-Pain didn't sound that bad to me at all on the sticks"
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Not saying he was on some Bernard Perdie type shit..

But he was good enougth to be playing on stage though..in the setting that was shown in the video (a laid back beach party show, not Carngie Hall and shit.)

And I acally was diggin' his hi-hat game on 'Hustlin' in the vid..

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177. "Yes, the "defense" of Dyson deserved a spinoff. I mean, really."
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178. "yo, reading through this post was a riot"
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i do agree w/ sha mecca and disco, though

this whole 'hating' thing has gotten way outta hand, it's the fallback reply for any and all negative commentary on hip-hop

  

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181. "Some of y'all sound like a bunch of Toto-fans..."
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I don't think people go to a L'il Wayne show to hear him play guitar, it's just a novelty segment I would guess. And no, he shouldn't get props for just trying and yes, he sounded awful but if he spends five minutes goofing around with a guitar, so what? I saw Beenie Man about ten years ago and he sung an a capella rendition of "the lion sleeps tonight" and it was awful but I (and everyone else) applauded because it was an amusing diversion in an otherwise EXCELLENT 90 minute dancehall show that was professional and with a live-band, great choreography and everything you could ask for. I don't think anyone left the show saying "And he sung "a lion sleeps tonight", he's such a diverse genius!"...

Anyway, I'm all for the punk-rock/DIY-idea in principle; I don't think you have to be a professional to go out on stage and do your thing, my beef is more with when the lack of musicianship/skills lead to music that lacks personality and distinguishing features like all the MTV punk/emo bands whose music is JUST about songs and the drumming/guitars/singing is completely dull and doesn't stand out in any way. However, the same thing happens with music played by professionals all the time, waiting to get out on stage until after you know your shit is no gurantee at all for the music being better.

  

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194. "I LOVE the repeated Toto namedropping, Jake."
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198. "And you sound like a rockist."
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For the record, I happen to love Toto.

A gang of great songs performed by a gang of great players. This is wack because--??



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202. "I've done battle with him over the excellence of Toto."
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me and ol' Jake just agreed to disagree.


but seriously, what kinda rotten bastard doesn't like "Africa" and "Stranger in Town"?

and even for all it's cheese, "Rosanna" puts me in a good mood.

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209. "If I was a rockist, I would care about ''authenticy'' and ''meaning''..."
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...which I don't. Besides, if it's rock music being discussed (which this thread isn't about), why is it wrong to be rockist? "Rockism" is only wrong if people use it as a basis of judgement for all genres/styles and that is the problem here-just replace ''rockism'' with ''classicism'' or ''Toto''-ism or something. A guy like L'il Wayne clowning around a few minutes on a guitar is, in the entertainment context which he does it, not necessarily wrong. He is not even trying to play jazz or shred away so why judge him by those standards?

  

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211. "As for the Toto-thing..."
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I didn't bring it up because I think they suck (which I do but that's besides the point), I brought it up because their fans, at least in sweden, are some of the most pompous assholes in the world who constantly shit on everything because "the musicianship is not good enough". How the fuck is that even relevant?

  

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242. "LOL... truth be told, Jeff aside, musicianship..."
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>I didn't bring it up because I think they suck (which I do
>but that's besides the point), I brought it up because their
>fans, at least in sweden, are some of the most pompous
>assholes in the world who constantly shit on everything
>because "the musicianship is not good enough". How the fuck is
>that even relevant?

...was the last reason The Doc ever listened to Toto.

David Paich, Steve Lukather, and especially Steve Porcaro were better songwriters than they were instrumentalists ITDO (Steve is still underrated). The songs they made (as long as they stayed in certain lanes) were excellent -- but to fans of harder rock, The Doc can see why one thought they sucked. Their appeal is almost the same as Bob James's in Jazz circles and they get the same sort of criticism...

It's why Frank Zappa made fun of them on repeated occasions, although Zappa is like that weird fine line between progressive and harder rock to The Doc... he's almost in his own box.

and The Doc knows about them Swedish Toto fans... LOL, actually, he hears that talk a lot in the yacht-rock fan circles for the most part.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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260. "Yes,I think they were (?, they recently broke up, right?) MUCH more popu..."
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...here than in the US where I've gotten the impression that people in general didn't care that much after "IV". Here, they constantly sold out arenas and they played a free show here with EW&F in the mid-90's that draw an ENORMOUS amount of people (almost "noone" cared about EW&F BTW, they just waited for Toto even if I heard some Toto-fans giving props to EW&F's "musicianship" after the show).

To me, they are just too slick as a rock-band while too "rock" to function as good pop-music and too "white"-sounding to be "soulful" (soulful here meaning a form of music), I feel the same way about most of the "Yacht-rock" crew except Steely Dan even if they veered dangerously close to Toto-territory at times. However, their jazzyness and quirkyness makes them sound less "rock" than the rest so I can appreciate them more.

  

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270. "Yeah, this is why The Doc said what he did about its members..."
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>...here than in the US where I've gotten the impression that
>people in general didn't care that much after "IV". Here, they
>constantly sold out arenas and they played a free show here
>with EW&F in the mid-90's that draw an ENORMOUS amount of
>people (almost "noone" cared about EW&F BTW, they just waited
>for Toto even if I heard some Toto-fans giving props to EW&F's
>"musicianship" after the show).

Hilarious. The Doc thinks that yeah, after IV, only the diehards really strung along even though they had some notable singles afterward. Their Kingdom of Desire album which dropped in '92 was more "rock" than their other albums (minus Turn Back), which is a different sound for most of them. But like most of their work, very slick.


>To me, they are just too slick as a rock-band while too "rock"
>to function as good pop-music and too "white"-sounding to be
>"soulful" (soulful here meaning a form of music), I feel the
>same way about most of the "Yacht-rock" crew except Steely Dan
>even if they veered dangerously close to Toto-territory at
>times. However, their jazzyness and quirkyness makes them
>sound less "rock" than the rest so I can appreciate them
>more.

Yeah, that weird juxtaposition is what a lot of their appeal is, The Doc himself can't really peg what it is about them. Also, because you rarely heard the kind of "jazz"-influenced improvisation from the players (Miles Davis did guest on one album and that's where you heard some of the chops they'd show on other people's albums) it's why The Doc said what he did about their instrumentalist side. Steely Dan often featured musicians who had played in a "jazz" context, so yeah, The Doc agrees that's why they're cool. The Doc likes a lot of Steely Dan's earlier "harder" sound, too. It's not really captured well on record as it was in those ever-circulating live shows, but the Denny Dias/Jeff Baxter days were crazy from a guitaring perspective.

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206. "True... but Jeff Porcaro ... is the GOAT."
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The Doc will back this up with aural evidence if needed.

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184. "hip hop will be such a better experience w/o Lil Wayne"
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185. "Ehhh. No."
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Lil Wayne in 2008>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Puff Daddy/Mase in 1997, and Ja Rule in 2001

  

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186. "Lil Wayne = Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Baby"
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203. "convenient of you to forget every other year ever"
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204. "LMAO"
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he picked like the two most Random years too, lol.


why not say "Perry Como in 1961"?



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190. ""Trying&amp" @ your 9-5 = FIRED!!!"
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I mean you might get a few chances but you'll be on your way if all you're doing is "trying." Need I say more?

  

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191. "Not necessarily..."
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At my job, they have had people who don't even TRY employed for years. As long as they kiss ass, they stay. Meanwhile, if your'e late everyday but do a great job (like me for example), you'll get a warning and threats of being fired...

  

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245. "Well, let's just say"
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"trying" doesn't make you a good employee. I hear you man. They always seem to be harder on the workers who can handle more and let the old timers do whatever the fuck they want.

  

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200. "I can't believe you just took a swipe at Madlib. Can YOU play sax?"
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Where's YOUR helium-voiced alter-ego?

Exactly.

You're jealous..........a ball of negativity.








But for real though, are you sure he's messing with the sax or other woodwinds now? I've heard little bits of it in his newer YNQ stuff but I didn't know that was him.
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201. "actually, tREBLEFREE put me on to that Jackson/Conti joint yesterday"
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shit was pretty damned good.

The liner notes didn't specify what instruments Madlib was playing though.


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208. "Well, as for the original idea of your thread....."
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I can't say it's wrong, although I've enjoyed Madlib's instrument experiments over the years. Despite his lack of chops, there was still enough there for me......I KNOW he's not excellent, but I still like the grooves, drums, how it's mixed and ish. And it's been neat seeing him improve over the years. Even if he's still not a great musician, there's still been a marked improvement (at least, I think there has been lol) in his songs from today compared to say 2000, 2001 stuff.




Jackson Conti: YES!

But yeah, I'm not sure the sax you hear on there is him, although based on your comments you weren't too impressed with whoever it was lol.
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212. "I went into it thinking, FOH..."
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a Friend of mine gave me YNQ a few years back and I think I'm the only guy in the world who doesn't like it.

So I was expecting a bunch of noodling over Brazilian percussion, but I was pleasantly surprised. I listen to a fair amount of Brazilian shit in my spare time, and it fits in with a lot of the stuff I like.



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215. "LOL.......well, I'm obligated to provide a link or two of newer YNQ stuf..."
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BTW, if you didn't hear, YNQ have broken up and each member has splintered off to pursue their own musical directions with different groups................................

http://www.zshare.net/audio/1631210735a288f8/

http://www.zshare.net/audio/1631226253dff995/

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>a Friend of mine gave me YNQ a few years back and I think I'm
>the only guy in the world who doesn't like it.
>
>So I was expecting a bunch of noodling over Brazilian
>percussion, but I was pleasantly surprised. I listen to a fair
>amount of Brazilian shit in my spare time, and it fits in with
>a lot of the stuff I like.



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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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220. "One night I played Angles Without Edges for my friends in a friend's dor..."
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And all of Madlib's atmospheric noodling just eventually made us all mad depressed, hahaha. Still love it though.

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236. "200+ posts in there's nothing left to say"
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Just wanted to give Disco props on a great post
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240. "exactly."
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It was a great post...
just unfortunate some of us who post can't read or communicate in an effective manner.




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244. "Oh hush already and re-read his first post again to get a clue"
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>It was a great post...
>just unfortunate some of us who post can't read or communicate
>in an effective manner.

It was a weak post based totally on HIS subjective opinion...he leaned heavily on using Lil Wayne for his argument...even went so far as having to qualify his statement by pretending like he wasn't picking on him and basically just got called out for his ignorance. It's really that simple. Stop making excuses for foolishness.

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241. "exactly."
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It was a great post...
just unfortunate some of us who post can't read or communicate in an effective manner.




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238. "Archive for the comedic value. Thanks, fire"
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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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248. "This post and responses mostly made me roll my eyes"
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It'd be better if it wasn't archived.

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250. "that actual *topic* of the post is an afterthought at this point..."
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*disappointed*



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253. "This one of those "Let us never speak of this again" posts"
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A good Friday Fun Post will solve this.

Imma inbox you with a suggestion. It was made by someone else in one of the old archived FFP posts.

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254. "GOOD"
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246. "With 250 replies I should have known how this went down"
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Some serious comedy in here.

I'm sorry, I don't give a fuck who you are. If you can't sing, I don't want to hear you on the fucking mic. If you have something to say than try your hand at rhyme. But if you have no flow and no voice then don't try that shit either. Please see Porter, Eli for more clarification.

If you can't play an instrument, don't get the fuck up on stage and try to play. You don't see my ass out at parties trying to cut and scratch in the mix. You know why? Because I can't. So I'm not going torture people's ears to listen to my practice session. You want to play an instrument on stage, pay your dues the right way, get an instrument and put in the necessary effort to develop the skill.

Fuck anyone who can't grasp the above. It's really quite simple.

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247. "LMAO"
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And the simple truth that you can't seem to grasp is if the AUDIENCE enjoys it and is entertained by it then nothing else matters. The only people whose opinions count are the people who pay money and attend concerts. If you ain't one of those people attending the concert of the artists Disco called out then your opinion is irrelevant. Motherfuckers pretending like they care about the audience being shortchanged when they so out of touch with reality they can't graps the fact that the audience is ENJOYING themself and just wants to have a good time and be entertained. The only people taking Weezy being a guitar player seriously is YALL.

I'm really laughing my ass off at some of you.

lol

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259. "Listen up"
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We're all the motherfuckin audience. I don't have to fuckin be there to be the audience. Welcome to the Age of Technology. Any performance by any pop artist has the potential to be seen by millions thanks to the internet and YouTube. So any person with a computer and a browser has the ability to be an audience member.

I'm not sure how you call yourself an artist if you think it's alright to half ass your musical expression on stage. If you can't play an instrument don't fucking pick it up on stage. Learn to play it first and then incorporate it into your music. Or pay someone who knows how to fuckin play it.

I could care less if you laugh at my ass or not. I don't know who the fuck you are and you're not gaining any fans with this bullshit. You can miss me with your next ass trumpet performance.

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261. "^^^^^still doesn't get it *smh*"
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Watching a short clip of an hour long performance is DIFFERENT than being in the audience and experiencing it LIVE. He only played the guitar for not even 5 minutes yet too many of yall are acting like he stood up there for an hour and tried to perform his entire show like that. It is meant to be satirical. Like I said, the only people taking Weezy seriously as a guitar player are yall...ironically enough. You just don't get it and I think it is best if you just let it go and focus on artists that you do get.

And FYI...I don't come to OKP to gain new fans. Please don't mistake me for the average artist that posts in The Lesson. That isn't my motivation for coming to OKP. I used to come for OK Activist but I don't like the direction that forum has taken so I stopped posting there. If I was trying to use this forum to win new fans I would have waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than the 2,000+ posts I do have since the year 2000...which is when I registered for this site. I'm only averaging 250+ posts a year...not very effective now is that, if my motivation for posting here is to win fans. I don't come here for that. But...thank you for your "concern" about my career though and best of luck to you.

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263. "."
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.

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264. "We finally agree, you still don't get it"
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265. "No we don't agree...let it go and focus on artists you DO like"
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...

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275. "actually, the geetar was a significant part of his BMI showcase"
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>He only played the guitar for not even 5 minutes yet too many
>of yall are acting like he stood up there for an hour and
>tried to perform his entire show like that. It is meant to be
>satirical.


i like steely dan, medications, brother reade, ghostface, devin, sara tavares, 4hero, the roots, squarepusher, jafar barron, battles, dirty water, meshell, kokayi, tortured soul, kanye, co$$, oddisee, Black Man Band, and a gang of other cats.

(but i was talking about wayne in this thread)

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249. "Archive"
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That's all I have to say.

  

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252. "a biter cat who can't accept what is the now"
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live with it and deal with. damn it is so tiring about hearing well this ain't this or that. dude this is a whole new era and way of lfe. Hell we got a black man running and a chance at being in the white house. wake up and stop crying.

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255. "Thank You"
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There's a lot on non-productive conversation in The Lesson that tries to pass itself off as "smart" and "intellectual" when really it's just bitter cats complaing becasue they can't find their niche and are stuck in the past. I'm glad someone else sees it.

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271. "^^^^ part of the problem."
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>live with it and deal with. damn it is so tiring about
>hearing well this ain't this or that. dude this is a whole new
>era and way of lfe. Hell we got a black man running and a
>chance at being in the white house. wake up and stop crying.

The "now" is bullshit. Has been for a while.
Point to one thing positive about the "now" in the context in which disco speaks... one.

The Doc bets you'll come up with 0 from a mainstream perspective.

He's got a legitimate gripe. The idea is not to recreate the past, but to make something "new" with what people should by and far have the talent to do, but have not.

People are rewarding half-assed behavior ... since you mentioned the presidential election... until January we have a president who is the epitome of people giving a pass for BS. Now that the curtain's been lifted, Middle America (except the ass clowns who blindly ride for that turd) found a banana in their respective tailpipes.

People are afraid to say something openly sucks.

It's funny when Wayne picks up a guitar and pretends to play
But The Doc thinks it's more of a problem when people think that sort of thing is cool in a non-joke context.

If the best we can come up with is using a pitch-correction program to sound like a robot (literally) to sing over the same banal, vapid ass club fodder (where are the ballads?)

and teenyboppers with a defined shelf life...imitating Michael Jackson but have no concept of what it takes to stay around as long as he has

and grown men and women trying to keep up with the younger folks instead of keeping things age appropriate....

Nah, the now can kiss The Doc's entire Black ass if they're not gonna step up their game...

a timewarp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this bullshit

The Doc's tired of motherfuckers giving passes to wackness

it can't just be that he's getting "old", when The Doc was much younger he peeped where shit was going and got off the boat

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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274. "Now we have less than a 50% black graduation rate"
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"Then" we had close to 80%

So should we just accept and "deal" with that too?
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278. "dioc and you disco sound like tow played out relic turkeys"
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ain't nobody trying to hear that mess. you have alot of talented act who are just role playing and doing the same character role that cats back in the day did. act like everybody and there mommy on the funk tip wasn't biting P-Funk? Sly Stone,? EWF? then Michael Jackson,etc...?? what else is new? the technilogy today is a wonderful thing and who is to say that if said acts back then if coming up today woould get eyes roll from you cats?

how you know what these cats have for talent? I can't hate on T-pain or Akon for doing there thing. I don't like there musicper se,but they are successful at what they do and the Music business has always been a hustle get in where you fit in.

sitting up crying and saying well this ain't what it use to be ain't gonna solve the problem. AShit Lil Wayne is a Multi Platinum artist period. his voice is talking to the people who cares if he can't play guitar? alot of folks in here hating on the now bought Milli Vannelli, Paula Abdul, The Monkeys and other fake bands. showbiz 101 sell you on iilusions and this is still a topic in 2008?

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287. "The Doc didn't....."
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>sitting up crying and saying well this ain't what it use to be
>ain't gonna solve the problem. AShit Lil Wayne is a Multi
>Platinum artist period. his voice is talking to the people who
>cares if he can't play guitar? alot of folks in here hating on
>the now bought Milli Vannelli, Paula Abdul, The Monkeys and
>other fake bands. showbiz 101 sell you on iilusions and this
>is still a topic in 2008?

and this is not what The Doc was saying. He didn't buy shit because just because it was new or it sold millions... but because it was new and interesting.

Like The Doc said, Wayne not playing the guitar (esp. if he's doing so in a joking manner) is inconsequential; it's just the fact that we've sort of gotten to the point where when some people do the same and it's not considered a joke... but it's also "cool". The expectations nowadays just seem lower than they used to be. That's kind of wack.

The Doc shouldn't turn on the radio or music on TV and expect to hear CRAP. Great singing underscored by mediocre instrumentation.

It's like from the 50s to the 60s to the 70s to the 80s... there was constant innovation, at least on one level. Somewhere in the mid '80s, stuff hit a snag, and while some things were superlative, it didn't really sound all that new... just emptier.

Now, it's like "whatever". The game's changed so much, you basically have to be a sucker to get ahead. Even Kells... he actually proved he can sell on name alone, Mello Yello antics or not. But when he tried to put out a serious album, the label said, "sorry, Mr. Kelly, we can't let you put this out".

Imagine if they had said that shit to Rick James... Michael Jackson, or any of the other greats.

That "relic" talk is tired as hell. And yet another excuse to give excuses for bullshit...

The Doc hears some tremendous voices... but there are other talents that rarely are given shine. People are becoming more of carciatures and "idols" now, it seems.

The Doc knows there are people under 25, hell even 21 that can really play. But it's all about the 15 minutes of fame and you're gone.

So if the people want bullshit, more power to them. The Doc doesn't, and thus...

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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256. "RE: so let's discuss the &quot;at least he's trying&quot; phenomenon."
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I saw someone mention Biz....and I think the Wayne shit is the exact same thing.

I've been playing guitar for 15 years....the first time I saw Wayne play it I laughed my ass off. He's trying to be funny.

It's also compatible with my view that he's presenting himself kinda like a blues singer. Listen to him, he's crooning, singing more than rapping. His rhymes is purposefully out-of-tune, purposefully non-sensical, purposefully out of time. (always late)

Add to that purposefully melodramatic. The guitar thing is hilarious. It is satirical, he's a drugged out rap star....kinda like Ziggy Stardust. In a way, he's kinda making fun of himself.

It's a great vision...the album's dope. You guys don't get it.

To address the original post. Anyone who says "at least he's trying' doesn't get it either. He's not trying. He's playing a character.

  

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257. "^^^^exactly!"
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273. "i'd be right there with you, BUT..."
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he's not trying to be funny.

i could compare it to Bamboozled, where Pierre started out on some mocking isht- until people started giving him dap, then he got gassed and fell in love with his own boolsheet... but i don't wanna compare this to Bamboozled cuz this ain't that serious.

but you KNOW- if this was about something most black folks were interested in or took ownership of (guitar? hah...), it wouldn't fly. let that dude throw on a breakbeat and start dancing like elaine from seinfeld- folks wouldn't start cheering, though he'd be having the same 'fun'.

(but if he keeps going with more guitar/'rock star wayne' stuff, there's going to be an 'emperor lacks clothes' moment)


>I saw someone mention Biz....and I think the Wayne shit is
>the exact same thing.
>
>I've been playing guitar for 15 years....the first time I saw
>Wayne play it I laughed my ass off. He's trying to be funny.
>
>
>It's also compatible with my view that he's presenting himself
>kinda like a blues singer. Listen to him, he's crooning,
>singing more than rapping. His rhymes is purposefully
>out-of-tune, purposefully non-sensical, purposefully out of
>time. (always late)
>
>Add to that purposefully melodramatic. The guitar thing is
>hilarious. It is satirical, he's a drugged out rap
>star....kinda like Ziggy Stardust. In a way, he's kinda
>making fun of himself.
>
>It's a great vision...the album's dope. You guys don't get
>it.
>
>To address the original post. Anyone who says "at least he's
>trying' doesn't get it either. He's not trying. He's playing
>a character.

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280. "dude, you're trying to make wayne a genius when he's really"
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an idiot.

he's not being purposeful.

he's not smart enough to be more "blues singer" than rapper.

hell, he's not even an emcee.

it kills me how you cats try to make geniuses out of artists just because you feel them.

you're adding to wayne's legacy something that he's probably not even aware of.

if you like the kid, then fine. but don't try to make him this generation's muddy waters in this bitch.

like or not, he's just not that dude.

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268. "good post."
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269. "Nas petitioning Fox News..."
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'At least he's got the guts to say something!'


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272. "not the same"
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It's not "at least..."

it's more like, "why is Nas the only one who..."

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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276. "The thing that bothers me...."
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I mean I guess it's not that they are trying..it's that the "trying" is looked at as the same as doing....

I mean not everyone is as good at something as someone else...or as knowledgable about something.

nothing wrong with that really..

what is wrong is that .....perfect example is the T. Pain thing... T.Pain playing the drums ... But Kanye said he was a genius...and said that all of those who were in attendance at the BET awards should feel honored to be in his presence. So seeing him playing the drums is just playing into the myth that dude is a genius...

now...If he isn't a genius...then pretending to be more than a shallow hook singer of wack songs is the best he can do..the best he can do is to pretend..

But..if people actually BELIEVE that he is.... if people allow PRETENDING to be looked at on par as actually doing something..

THAT is the problem...

I mean..if you have people who would argue that T.Pain is on par with Roger Troutman...or Junie Morrison.... the problem isn't T.Pain pretending..the problem is people allow that to be held up against the real deal...

the embarrassing part in my opinion is when you have grown ass adult people...who actually know better..not just should know better..they really do know better..

when those people hold up the pretenders as the real..and justify it by how many records they sale...That shit is just plain embarrassing..

  

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281. "exactly, it's not the artists per se"
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it's us for allowing ourselves to lower our standards and actually believe the hype.

a cat pretending to play the drums is one thing.

but us believing he's the second coming of tiki fullwood is another.

that's on us.

and that means those of us who know better need to take a long look at ourselves in the mirror.

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277. "277th."
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282. "That time of the month anybody?"
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It took an hour to read but this shit was entertaining as fuck.

I don't disagree with Asoyoni or whatever she calls herself but she got mad for seemingly no reason. Can anybody have an opinion without being a miserable failure of an artist who is just hating on more successful people over the internet because he's bitter about not making it?

In defense of Weezy, Madlib etc. They're all high as fuck when they get on stage, and that shit always sounds good when you're high. They probably regret it when they straighten up... Then they get fucked up again the next show. I think if the fans who are attending the show can see it as a bit of fun and enjoy it then it's all good.

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283. "Not sure who Asoyini is but she came thru and crushed the buildings"
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in here, lol

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285. "yeah Asoyini did and made the most sense to me"
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tired of tired old sloppy joe making turkeys always trying to squash the Now. leave it alone and worry about you. every generation has there voice of reason and sentiments,etc...

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286. "her point was 'if you ain't there, you have no biz commenting'"
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>tired of tired old sloppy joe making turkeys always trying to
>squash the Now. leave it alone and worry about you. every
>generation has there voice of reason and sentiments,etc...

i get it- wayne's target market is cool with him being a guitar rock star for a hot sec

fact is, if those same fans are open to saying 'wayne's can play guitar now', the question 'is he any good' is eventually gonna come up... when people say chris brown is the best dancer, somebody is gonna bring up usher, then somebody else is gonna bring up michael- fook whether they been to a show or not.

hell, if i can't discuss how folks really like the wayne guitar thing, i can't discuss how mariah carey was lip syncing the other night and the crowd was still loving it- i ain't go to that show either...

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288. "more pleas copped... LOL"
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Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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So what if he's terrible on the mic, "at least he's trying" to make real hip hop.

  

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