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"Since the release of the Xbox 360, Microsoft has averaged 246,000 console sales each month in the US, while the PS2 has seen an average of 473,000 units—a number bolstered by an estimated 1.5 million sales in December alone. Leaving out December, Sony's average drops to 302,000 per month, still outpacing the Xbox 360 by a healthy margin."

"According to sales estimates from the NPD Group, the Xbox 360 won its first sales victory against the PS2 in April, outselling Sony's offering by nearly 90,000 units (295,000 units in all). The end of Microsoft's supply problems may have accounted for the leap in sales, but May estimates showed a return to more settled buying trends: Xbox sales decreased by 74,000 units, while the PS2 climbed to more than 231,000 units total, recapturing the lead with roughly 11,000 more consoles sold."

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one is $399 with 60 games.

how long you think it's gonna take the ps3 to get down to $130


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sure, ps2 is an older gen. but the time to try and wrestle sony's leverage, is now. it will be much more difficult once the ps3 is out.

should be interesting either way. i'd get the ps3 and the 360 if i had the cash.

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they've been selling all the 360's they can make in the US, end of story. sony fanboys love this story tho.

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you do realize xbox 360 is the fastest selling system ever?

at this point since its launch date, no other console has sold as many units as 360 has when they launched.

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in terms of marketshare? nope. you won't see that again this generation. its why sony is suddenly saying "we're not concerned about marketshare".

if you're just saying that off of these numbers thinking the ps2 is going to be outselling the 360 in 3 months or anytime after that and that their charts aren't going to be going in totally different directions, thne you're just being dumb.

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80 - 90 mil? Are you crazy? They can barely give the thing away in critical markets like Japan.
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but you only mentioned one. they're selling just fine in europe. they just launched in australia and became the fastest selling console of all time there, they either did or are about to launch in india, and are going to launch everywhere else later this year.

you think they can't move a few 10 millions in india and china as they drop the price over the years?

you're on rocks. hint: "the world" isn't just japan. there's a reason why keiji inafune said japanese gamers would have to start getting used to not being catered exclusively to anymore.


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There are pleas being copped on both sides. To me it's a little surprised they're getting outsold by ps2 even as supply is catching up.

Yes it's the fastest-selling console ever but there really is no game library, and that means these sales numbers are all hype. M$ might end up having the best console, but right now they have no real next-gen competition.

This holiday season will be REAL interesting tho. I know I'm waiting until all three are released to cop. Nintendo is looking like they may crush the world and shit. We'll see how many people have been waiting for the ps3...

Really we need to wait AT LEAST a year to even start saying anyone's won or lost tho

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it's not hype, it is the fast selling at launch.

no that doesn't mean the game is won or lost yet, the other players haven't even started.

NO ONE SAID the 360 won, so I don't even know who you are tlaking to, if you read my reply above, I said the exact same thing you did, one system is $130 and has thousands of games while one is $400 and has less than 50.
you're looking at the wrong numbers


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and thats damn impressive no matter how you look at it.

and if you really think all these people who bought a 360 will drop around a grand at PS3 launch, after just investing into their 360, thats not logical at all.

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Meh it's kinda impressive. There's been so much built up demand for next gen shit that whoever launched first would have gotten 'fastest-selling' records. Obviously if ps3 launched first, it would have been the fastest-selling at launch.

And it really says absolutely nothing about whether the system is going to last. A large installed base is the first step on a LONG road for system longevity.

>and thats damn impressive no matter how you look at it.
>
>and if you really think all these people who bought a 360 will
>drop around a grand at PS3 launch, after just investing into
>their 360, thats not logical at all.

And I'm not saying at all that 360 owners are gonna also buy a ps3 at launch. I was saying that it's entirely possible that's there's a good chunk of ps2 owners who are skipping the 360 and waiting for the ps3. And of course Nintendo is doing a lot of interesting stuff.

Bottom line, the 360 is the fastest selling console to date SOLELY because it is the first next-gen system to launch, and because the overall video game market is growing.

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And I don't see why. Like the Japs gotta like stuff just for it to be a good product. Personally, I don't like a lot of the bullshit puzzle games that Japs like. I rather have their chicks play with my dick than fuck with those games.

Last time I checked, PS2 sold almost as much IN JAPAN as the Xbox sold WORLDWIDE (23m vs 24m). How in the hell do you think 360 is going to put up better numbers than PS2 if it’s doing worse than the original Xbox over there? That doesn’t even make sense.

Furthermore, the thing is being outsold by a six year old console in a country where many are assuming its dominance.

Do the math: if M$ keeps up it’s average of 246,000 consoles sold a month (246k * 12), and they keep the 360 as their main system for four years (2.95m * 4), that’s only 11.8m sold in the US.

For shits and giggles, let’s say that over the course of the 360’s life, they can do those numbers in Europe, Australia, and Japan as well, which we all know ain’t happening (11.8m * 4). That’s only 47.2m and they they still aren’t touching PS2.

Now before everyone writes me off as a Sony or Nintendo fanboy, my 360 gets a fair amount of tick. It will be a successful console and capture a good amount of market share and there are and will likely be many great games for the system. BUT I’m not buying into M$’ bullshit so much that I think they realistically have a chance to come close to selling as many 360s as Sony sold PS2s.

Oh, and that “great Australian launch” that was sooo impressive? They sold 30,000 in their launch weekend. 360 sold more than that in its first week in Japan. But yea, Japan doesn’t mean shit, huh?

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whose vision is cloudy? you haven't shown me a second market they're struggling in.

also, are you a FUCKING RETARD? they're currently selling all the cosoles they can make in the US. the point is to get those numbers UP from here, they're not going to stay the same.

in case you somehow couldn't extrapolate from the statement "the xbox 360 is the fastest selling console in history", the ps2 didn't sell as fast at launch as the 360 is selling right now in the US. yet somehow, it's sales went up after that.

yet of course, you decide, in totally nonbiased thinking, to plot the sales of the 360 as a straight line, from where they are now. lets forget that goes against every single thing anyone knows about what they plan to do and that production is going to increase, not stay the same, lets just say "oh, 200000 means they will take 10 years to sell as much"

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An obvious typo is one thing; saying the 360 will sell more than the PS2 is quite another.

Think about what you are saying RJ.

The production hasn’t gone down since launch, yet 360 sales dropped off from April to May. Sales DECREASED 74,000. You really think these numbers are because of supply problems? From most accounts, 360s as readily available pretty much everywhere in the US.

Sorry, but I'm not buying this "fastest selling consoles" BS that M$ is pushing.

it was an evidence of your myopia when it comes to the world outside of japan. you typed what you meant, beucase the sentence doesn't make since without the s.

I didn't say the 360 would outsell the ps2. I said it was possible, and it for damn sure is possible, because microsoft is going to be trying to push this thing in a worldwide fashion even more than the ps2 was. The only thing we know for sure is that that type of dominant marketshare is not going to happen again, everything else is up in the air.

if sony can even admit that they are more focused on growing the dvideogames market to higher total numbers than keeping maximum marketshare, why can't you understand that?


and as far as "not believing this fastest selling console BS", those numbers are from the NPD, microsoft can't lie about that. it's sort of impossible, I dunno what dumbass conspiracy theory you're worknig off of.

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"a critical market like Japan" is what I meant to say. Sorry, I was at work at the time and wasn't able to sit down and check it. I just wanted to make sure there was a voice of reason to counter your idiotic notion that the 360 is going to do PS2-like numbers.

>it was an evidence of your myopia when it comes to the world
>outside of japan. you typed what you meant, beucase the
>sentence doesn't make since without the s.

Is this the same sort of myopia that causes one, when presented with the fact that the 360 is the fastest selling console in Australia to not realize it only hit around 30k at launch?

>I didn't say the 360 would outsell the ps2. I said it was
>possible, and it for damn sure is possible, because microsoft
>is going to be trying to push this thing in a worldwide
>fashion even more than the ps2 was. The only thing we know for
>sure is that that type of dominant marketshare is not going to
>happen again, everything else is up in the air.

I don't think it's possible, but you are right about the market share. I never argued that.

>if sony can even admit that they are more focused on growing
>the dvideogames market to higher total numbers than keeping
>maximum marketshare, why can't you understand that?

Again, I never said ANYTHING about market share, so miss me with that.

>and as far as "not believing this fastest selling console BS",
>those numbers are from the NPD, microsoft can't lie about
>that. it's sort of impossible, I dunno what dumbass conspiracy
>theory you're worknig off of.

Show me that where NPD numbers are quoted. The only time I heard M$ mention they were the fastest selling console was at E3, and that was followed by we SHIPPED x amount of consoles. I'm pretty sure that's what they're going on.



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I didn't say. I said it MIGHT do the number the ps2 did worldwide becasue the gaming market is gonig to get much bigger worldwide. your only response to that has been "well its not selling in japan" my response othat has been that whether or not it sells in japan means shit to worldwide sales.

the odd thing is I never said it sold more than 30k at launch in australia, I said it sold them ost ever, which it did. If you researched those numbers, you'll see that demand in australia was just as crazy as the initial launch here, they'll sell more than 30,000 total.

you'll also note that for reasons unkown to anyone except yourself, you've calculated the 360's sales over its lifetime using a model that doesn't fit what we cna expect of an even moderately succesful system. when you come up with something other than "japan blahblahblah", get back to me.

if you want to say the numbers are fake, go disprove em. obviously we can get monthly sales numbers of each console, if microsoft stood on the stage and fucking lied about how many they had sold, why do you think no one has mentioned it since?


aidditionally - even saying "a critical market like japan" is silly, because the ONLY market you're talking about is japan. I'm not saying you're dead wrong about how "critical" japan is, I'm sayin keiji inafune, creator of megaman, says different and I trust his opinion more than yours.

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That's what it boils down to.

360s are supposedly in heavy demand with the supply problem fixed, yet they're being outsold by the PS2. If you want to believe they can come close to the 90 or so million PS2s out there, then hey, "your thoughts ain't my thoughts"

and for the most part just making shit up.

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alright. ps2 launched october 2000.
I can't find numbers for 2000 and 2001 anywhere, but all the news articles from 2000, indicate sonys shortage resulted in thme shipping at most 1.3 million in 2000, after launching in october. I dunno how many they shipped in japan and europe tho.

the 360 sold a million and a half units worldwide in basically a single month tho. I dunno if we're counting from the may japan ps2 launch or what,but the ps2 definitely didn't put that many on the ground in a month anywhere

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it's a tough count because you're going worldwide launch vs. localized staggered launches, if anybody can find the numbers for sony's original hjapanese and europe shipments it may help. I had forgotten the ps2 launched so far ahead in japan originally. did they have ANY good games at the japanese launch?

t's hilarious reading those comments from 2000 tho. the ps2 launch almost exactly mirrored the circumstnaces of the 360 launch. worried ass third parties, shortages, execs coppin pleas.

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I use to work @ EB games from 03-05 and the number of folks coming in there buying their kids ps1's and N64's was staggering. I'm pretty sure those folks are excited a newer system is finally here...now maybe they can get a PS2 or a gamecube.

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buying a ps2 now at the end of its lifespan. theres no question of that, the problem for videogame makerrs is that those people aren't going to buy new release games, so they don't really matter.

for the software makers, the new releases that are selling copies are almost all for the newer consoles, so they're moving on.


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it probably won't be outselling them, unless they have really severe shortages, but it will probably still be close.


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>it probably won't be outselling them, unless they have really
>severe shortages, but it will probably still be close.

its going to be a severe shortage of folk with $599 (+ game(s), controller, ect).

If the 360 was affordable......

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I know maybe 3 people personally who are eager to pay that price on release date. Most (I know) are waiting for a price drop. How soon will that be?

Ask a moderate to low income dude what blue ray is and he wouldn't give a damn because his entire DVD collection is bootleg. He probably watches those bootlegs on an early 90's model TV set. $599 is probably that dudes morgage payment. His Ps2 came from the pawn shop....

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I hear ya. I'm not getting it at launch. Tho I'm curious to hook that shit up to my TV, I can wait. How would like look buying that expensive ass shit around the holidays when my wife and kids are hyped up for the holidays and I already want Wii? Realistically, it's a $700 plus purchase when they include a game.

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that shit got FLOP written all over it
most ppl don't have it
they got NO games
systems sitting on the shelves of the local target round my way
they build houses out of unsold 360s in japan
M$ lost

Even thought the arcade SNK games were straight ports on the system.

yall niggas buy new ipods every month bitching about a bangin ass PS3

299 is expensive now? cmon man. the cheapest ps3 system is gonna be 500 dollars. you've gotta be kidding me...

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So it's basically gonna cost you $700 for a system and a game. And again, if you're the average consumer who isn't aware of what Blu Ray is, why spend that on a PS3?

if somebody can save for 400 they can save for 600
and u acting like xbox is cheap
they make u pay for that live shit for gods sake

So if HD DVDs started retailing at $30 and Blu Ray at $60, you'd just say "If I'm gonna spend $30, what's the big deal with $60? lol

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outsells the 360. Cause right now the only thing they got goin for them is FREE online, voice and video chat.


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au contraire mufuckas. it is EXACTLY what the mass market wants. now, whether price can overcome sony's brand dominance remains to be seen.


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Was the fact that it probably didn’t need to be available day one, since most folks getting a 360 on the first day were going to be trying to get a premium bundle anyway. What you had was folks (like me) who got Cores because that was all they had, and were forced to buy the rest of the good stuff separately (high def cables, hard drive, headset, wireless control, remote, etc.)

Also, it made it so games basically have to be programmed under the assumption that the 360 owner does not have a hard drive. Well, technically they were supposed to since MS said that no game would require the hard drive to play, but some devs already said fuck it and more will probably follow suit as time goes on.

Other than that, I do like the fact that everything can be added on later. I know plenty of people who decide to get a Core and a used memory card for $10 or $15 just to be able to play 360 games right away.


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hell, I had to get a core myself.

I think it would have been equally if not more complicated for microsoft to bring out the core later, both communicating with the commuinty and developers.

that said, yeah, there were way too many core's, and I'm sure they made a pretty penny on hard drive sales.


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that brought out the core at the time when people (hardcore cats) don't really care about the lower end like that, and that cut into the supply of the premiums.

Later on though, it'll probably work to their benefit. Sucks from a development standpoint, but PS2 still dominated without all the extra shit the Xbox had, so that probably factored into their decision.

That said, if you count the hard drive as a peripheral, it's probably the best supported peripheral of all time, lol

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