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muzuabo
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"iPhone 4 Check-in Post - Yeah I'm hype as fuck."


  

          

We are a lil over a week away from this shit officially dropping. Feel free to post first hand impressions. I'm gonna try to post a video up here. We'll see. Peace.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
high res flicks and video from gizmodo
Jun 16th 2010
1
iphone 4 apps will almost fill ipad / phone gets ipad's vga output cable
Jun 16th 2010
2
game center goes live for developers - flicks
Jun 16th 2010
3
I heard that shit is already sold out by the pre-orders.
Jun 16th 2010
4
Damn, the new ship date is July 14th (with delivery by July 19th)
Jun 16th 2010
6
Can't wait. Got mine shipped to work.
Jun 16th 2010
5
i'm waiting for the white one
Jun 16th 2010
7
me too.
Jun 16th 2010
12
yup
Jun 17th 2010
19
the gyro and what it means for competition
Jun 16th 2010
8
RDF.
Jun 16th 2010
9
who's copping a bumper or some kind of case?
Jun 16th 2010
10
I'll be getting one.
Jun 16th 2010
11
So yall paying full price? or got some kind of contract
Jun 16th 2010
13
my current contract is up in mid-august
Jun 17th 2010
15
Might me misremembering...
Jun 17th 2010
17
renewed mines
Jun 23rd 2010
85
i preordered the 16GB...
Jun 17th 2010
14
getting our pre-orders launch day..My 3g is slow as shit
Jun 17th 2010
16
As much as it pains me to deal with AT&T
Jun 17th 2010
18
Yeah it pained me too but the phone looks too slick.
Jun 17th 2010
20
Thank God I didn't preorder through Apple or At&T
Jun 17th 2010
21
I got my preorder in early and it only took a few minutes.
Jun 17th 2010
22
      Right? 8 AM!
Jun 17th 2010
23
Whooo the iOS 4 unlock is out for the 3GS.
Jun 17th 2010
24
I did not buy one.
Jun 17th 2010
25
File that one in the no shit department. LOL.
Jun 17th 2010
26
I DID buy one
Jun 18th 2010
27
(Off topic) Mac Pro is dead
Jun 18th 2010
28
      caught a good look
Jun 19th 2010
29
      RDF baby.
Jun 19th 2010
30
           Stop with the RDF
Jun 19th 2010
31
                can't stop won't stop..eh,eh...eh,eh...
Jun 19th 2010
32
                they also built a computer
Jun 19th 2010
33
                     RE: they also built a computer
Jun 20th 2010
34
                          yeah.
Jun 20th 2010
35
                          i've had half a dozen repairs/replacements out of warranty
Jun 20th 2010
36
                               they changed their rules for her.
Jun 20th 2010
37
i don't fly into Norfolk til the 25th
Jun 20th 2010
38
Better get there early.
Jun 20th 2010
39
      or maybe Radioshack
Jun 20th 2010
40
      tell me this
Jun 20th 2010
41
           nah they hook it up
Jun 21st 2010
43
Eager beavers - check Fedex
Jun 20th 2010
42
ETA is still thursday.
Jun 21st 2010
44
I got a reservation, I'm 50/50 on picking it up
Jun 21st 2010
45
Do you have 3GS? If not you'll want to cop.
Jun 21st 2010
46
      Yeah, I got a 3GS
Jun 22nd 2010
54
anyone else have a AT&T Premier account?
Jun 21st 2010
47
me too
Jun 21st 2010
48
same here. I got in after the 1:30PDT cutoff, so my joints
Jun 21st 2010
49
just got confirmation on shipping 6/23 before 3pm
Jun 22nd 2010
55
when did you get your order placed?
Jun 22nd 2010
56
      just called em and they said my joint will be shipped on
Jun 22nd 2010
57
      based on your post, i just called too
Jun 22nd 2010
58
      she got hers today
Jun 23rd 2010
93
AT&T Premier account members - use the regular ATT site
Jun 22nd 2010
59
      then from there you can track it, not sure if they only use FEDEX
Jun 23rd 2010
86
Everything's more responsive.
Jun 21st 2010
50
Waitin on that White... hope they don't take long :[
Jun 21st 2010
51
^got a bag of cheeseburgers READY....
Jun 21st 2010
52
June 23rd
Jun 22nd 2010
53
Engadget: "Best smartphone on the market" (swipe)
Jun 22nd 2010
60
coming from engadget that's expected.....
Jun 22nd 2010
61
      i always find these matrices funny
Jun 22nd 2010
62
      tru....
Jun 22nd 2010
63
           you're in the minority, holmes
Jun 22nd 2010
64
                ha ha
Jun 22nd 2010
68
                i'm not trying to change your mind
Jun 22nd 2010
69
                     and still....
Jun 22nd 2010
71
                          but there is an enormously compelling software reason
Jun 22nd 2010
72
                               Not really
Jun 22nd 2010
80
                                    where's the app matrix?
Jun 22nd 2010
81
                Android raised the bar and Apple responded
Jun 22nd 2010
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                     no doubt
Jun 22nd 2010
74
                          that's what they say.
Jun 22nd 2010
75
                               cool
Jun 22nd 2010
78
      really? i don't think of engadget as pro-apple
Jun 22nd 2010
65
           clearly you haven't read the comments
Jun 22nd 2010
67
                Who has time to read those comments!
Jun 22nd 2010
70
iOs 4 thoughts
Jun 22nd 2010
66
apparently, that's one area where multi-tasking isn't allowed
Jun 22nd 2010
76
it sounds like the task completion api can be used as a workaround
Jun 22nd 2010
77
damn, i knew this, and still forgot about it
Jun 22nd 2010
79
here you go
Jun 23rd 2010
82
      was gonna post this, exactly what i was looking for
Jun 23rd 2010
83
Bought and paid for.... expected on June 25
Jun 23rd 2010
84
Looks like I'll be getting it a day early (today)
Jun 24th 2010
98
How to get an iPhone 4 on Thursday (swipe)
Jun 23rd 2010
87
just got mines
Jun 23rd 2010
88
:/ Shipping info received and arriving tomorrow at 3pm.
Jun 23rd 2010
89
it shits all over my 3G
Jun 23rd 2010
90
Got mine
Jun 23rd 2010
91
Flakey camera in mine == exchanged for a new one
Jun 25th 2010
118
i'm already filling mine up with music (aka the last step)
Jun 23rd 2010
92
Retina Display = Cheese Eyes
Jun 23rd 2010
94
iPhone 4 cell reception suffers when picked up? (swipe)
Jun 23rd 2010
95
many users, including engadget are reporting dropped calls
Jun 24th 2010
99
      Actually Engadget reports fewer dropped calls...
Jun 24th 2010
100
           http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop...
Jun 24th 2010
102
                http://www.pcworld.com/article/199609/the_first_iphone_4_reviews_spoiler...
Jun 24th 2010
103
                     you haven't posted this crazy since Ron Paul ran for Pres.
Jun 24th 2010
104
                          What if I told you that
Jun 24th 2010
106
                          I'm officially not alone....
Jun 29th 2010
120
shit is wack
Jun 23rd 2010
96
fuck softbank
Jun 23rd 2010
97
agreed! fuck softbank, i hate those bastards
Jun 30th 2010
136
man fuck best buy
Jun 24th 2010
101
Got it. Will post video from Afro Punk Festival this weekend.
Jun 24th 2010
105
Got mine today.
Jun 24th 2010
107
Jun 24th 2010
108
The line at the downtown SF store is 1k+ deep
Jun 24th 2010
109
man, this muthafucka is fast as fuck
Jun 24th 2010
110
Makes 3G look like Bo Kimble
Jun 24th 2010
111
Word. Speeds aren't even comparable.
Jun 24th 2010
112
just got it
Jun 24th 2010
113
Anybody try FaceTime yet?
Jun 24th 2010
114
Yerp it's dope!
Jun 24th 2010
115
didnt realize how slow my 3G was til I got this one
Jun 24th 2010
116
Apple Store last night .. 500 people deep .... *LEFT* ....
Jun 25th 2010
117
Now that the smoke has cleared..................
Jun 29th 2010
119
so basically, he likes the iPhone and he hates the Evo
Jun 29th 2010
121
      Better MAN not PERSON, pee wee....
Jun 29th 2010
122
           that's what you need to believe.
Jun 29th 2010
123
                you're losing your talents
Jun 29th 2010
124
smfh @ how AppleCare will handle iPhone 4 reception complaints (link)
Jun 29th 2010
125
What's the big deal about this
Jun 29th 2010
126
      no, that's bullshit
Jun 29th 2010
127
           I'm watching that FaceTime commercial...
Jun 29th 2010
128
           all phones lose reception when held a certain way
Jun 29th 2010
129
                do all phones lose signal when held in the conventional way?
Jun 29th 2010
130
                     it's a non-issue
Jun 29th 2010
131
                     dropping calls for holding the phone normal is "non-issue"??
Jun 29th 2010
132
                          It's still a non-issue
Jun 29th 2010
133
                               Niggas forgot all about choices
Jun 30th 2010
137
                                    1.7 million sold, 15,000 with problem - non-issue
Jun 30th 2010
138
                                         8.82 %
Jun 30th 2010
139
                                              uhh.....
Jun 30th 2010
140
                                                   lmao
Jun 30th 2010
141
                     iPhone 4 should be held gently using only the index finger & thumb
Jun 29th 2010
134
                          winner winner chicken dinner
Jun 29th 2010
135
Eliminate: gun range is the shit
Jul 02nd 2010
142
reception verdict?
Jul 02nd 2010
143
hasn't been an issue at all
Jul 02nd 2010
144
So none of you guys want to address the elephant in the room?
Jul 02nd 2010
145
It's a bullshit response by apple. It's also troubling that
Jul 02nd 2010
146
I don't understand your position
Jul 02nd 2010
149
RE: I don't understand your position
Jul 02nd 2010
150
      NEWS FLASH ALL BARS ON ALL CELLS ARE FAKE
Jul 03rd 2010
154
           RE: NEWS FLASH ALL BARS ON ALL CELLS ARE FAKE
Jul 03rd 2010
156
                my bad
Jul 03rd 2010
159
I thought it was a grade A response
Jul 03rd 2010
155
      RE: I thought it was a grade A response
Jul 03rd 2010
157
           RE: I thought it was a grade A response
Jul 03rd 2010
158
I'm sure you read the anandtech article, right?
Jul 02nd 2010
147
Outstanding article
Jul 03rd 2010
160
I think I read that differently
Jul 02nd 2010
148
      RE: I think I read that differently
Jul 03rd 2010
151
           I still don't get this
Jul 03rd 2010
153
                it's not necessarily a "cover up"
Jul 03rd 2010
161
                You don't necessarily "make sense"
Jul 03rd 2010
162
                     hehe
Jul 04th 2010
163
                          Suck it Trebeck
Jul 04th 2010
164
                               RE: Suck it Trebeck
Jul 04th 2010
165
                                    Embroidered pillow??
Jul 04th 2010
166
                                         so...
Jul 04th 2010
167
                                              So FUCK YOU
Jul 05th 2010
168
                                                   wow - taking this way too personally
Jul 05th 2010
171
                that people can make the phone drop a call
Jul 05th 2010
169
                     I don't see a lot of posts/evidence of this being a widespread problem
Jul 05th 2010
170
                          ok now you're just a liar and a fanboy
Jul 05th 2010
172
                               LIAR? back that up
Jul 05th 2010
173
                                    you're a liar, and a fanboy.
Jul 05th 2010
174
                                         REPORTED??? WTF DOES THAT MEAN??
Jul 05th 2010
175
                                              you are a liar. and a fanboy.
Jul 06th 2010
177
                                                   Engadget doesn't have resources to do reporting?
Jul 06th 2010
178
                                                        see my last post. liar. fanboy.
Jul 06th 2010
179
                                                             let's quote (asshole, you're now an asshole)
Jul 06th 2010
181
                                                                  you know what, I was wrong.
Jul 06th 2010
183
pre ordered it on june 19th from the apple store app
Jul 03rd 2010
152
Some evidence
Jul 06th 2010
176
i think the anandtech article pretty much tells the whole story
Jul 06th 2010
180
      Anand's review is the best out there...
Jul 06th 2010
182
mine finally arrived in the mail
Aug 13th 2010
184
how so
Aug 13th 2010
185
      comparing it to the OG to 3G jump
Aug 13th 2010
186
Finally copped one
Sep 21st 2010
187
L
Sep 21st 2010
188
Hella late, but I got one
Mar 14th 2011
189
Cowabunga.
Mar 14th 2011
190
i def wouldnt have tried the sim card ish..gangsta
Oct 21st 2011
192
I'm loving this phone
Oct 01st 2011
191

centurySamIam
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1. "high res flicks and video from gizmodo"
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http://gizmodo.com/5562739/this-is-how-insanely-sharp-the-iphone-4-screen-looks?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

  

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2. "iphone 4 apps will almost fill ipad / phone gets ipad's vga output cable"
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/13/iphone_4_apps_will_fill_ipad_screen_get_vga_output.html

no good for hdcp-protected content, but perfectly good for your own videos, downloads, and whatever else

  

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3. "game center goes live for developers - flicks"
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/14/apples_new_ios_4_game_center_goes_live_for_developers.html

looks sharp. i wonder why they decided to use email for invites rather than push notifications.

  

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4. "I heard that shit is already sold out by the pre-orders."
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6. "Damn, the new ship date is July 14th (with delivery by July 19th)"
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/16/iphone_4_orders_through_apple_now_ship_by_july_14_arrive_even_later.html

Shipping dates for iPhone 4 slipped for the second time in less than 24 hours Wednesday, as preorders for both the 16GB and 32GB models are now scheduled to ship by July 14.

The delay means that some customers may not receive their handset until nearly a month after it launches on June 24, when shipping time is considered.

Earlier Wednesday, Apple moved back new iPhone 4 orders, promising they would ship by July 2. Those orders were scheduled to be delivered between July 6 and July 8, meaning customers could have to wait as long as two weeks after the June 24 launch to receive their iPhone.

Assuming the same shipping time, orders sent out on July 14 would not likely arrive until around Monday, July 19. That would be 25 days -- or nearly four weeks -- after the June 24 launch.

Apple announced that more than 600,000 devices were preordered on the first day of iPhone 4 availability. The Cupertino, Calif., company also took the opportunity to apologize to customers who encountered difficulties in placing their preorder.

Both Apple and AT&T, its exclusive wireless carrier in the U.S., experienced issues, as AT&T's servers struggled to verify eligibility for some existing customers, and Apple was forced to turn away callers to its toll-free telephone number.

Orders through AT&T are no longer an option for U.S. customers, as the wireless carrier announced Wednesday that it was suspending preorders due to demand ten times higher than for the iPhone 3GS. The company said it has temporarily suspended preorders so it can fulfill the orders it has already received, and the availability of additional inventory will determine whether they will resume taking preorders.

Preorders remain limited to the black iPhone 4 model, as the white version is listed as currently unavailable for purchase. Third-party retailers such as Best Buy have also halted preorders of the white model.

  

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5. "Can't wait. Got mine shipped to work."
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We'll see how productive I am.

  

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7. "i'm waiting for the white one"
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12. "me too. "
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I also kinda just want to buy one in a fucking store.

Hopefully by Labor Day?

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19. "yup"
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but damn i was hoping to get one b4 aug... :/

  

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centurySamIam
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8. "the gyro and what it means for competition"
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/16/inside_iphone_4_gyro_spins_apple_ahead_in_gaming.html&page=1

  

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9. "RDF. "
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It's magical.

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centurySamIam
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10. "who's copping a bumper or some kind of case?"
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i'm thinking about it, but my gf has a rubber case on her 3gs and it makes it hard to type. the insurance plan that comes with it through softbank brings a screen repair down to sixty bucks, so i might just take my chances.

applecare doesn't cover drops, right? any reason to shell out for it?

  

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11. "I'll be getting one."
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And hopefully a about five extra so I can sell them on ebay over here. I should easily get a 100% profit on them.

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13. "So yall paying full price? or got some kind of contract"
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15. "my current contract is up in mid-august"
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and i don't want to give t-mobile any more money than i have to. plus, i was hoping verizon or some other carrier would be on board prior to my switch because i don't like AT&T and the proprietary nature of the contract. long way round, yeah, i will be purchasing with new contract so, should be discounted a bit.

come mid-august, though, i will prolly see what all the fuss is about.

  

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17. "Might me misremembering..."
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but I thought I heard that any contracts expiring in 2010 would be able to upgrade immediately.

  

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85. "renewed mines"
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I didn't expect to pay full price anyway. AT & T has been good to me on upgrading my phone.

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14. "i preordered the 16GB... "
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hoping it gets here on time.

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16. "getting our pre-orders launch day..My 3g is slow as shit"
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18. "As much as it pains me to deal with AT&T"
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I couldn't resist. Preordered two. The new antenna better be the shit, or I'm dropping AT&T like a bad habit, again.


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muzuabo
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20. "Yeah it pained me too but the phone looks too slick."
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Can't wait to take the video camera with me on trips.

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21. "Thank God I didn't preorder through Apple or At&T"
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Hopefully I can get one from Best Buy, Walmart, or Radio Shack on the 24th, or preorder one from there before then.

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22. "I got my preorder in early and it only took a few minutes."
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Guess I got in before the madness ensued.

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23. "Right? 8 AM!"
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24. "Whooo the iOS 4 unlock is out for the 3GS."
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Now I'll be able to unlock it and give it to my sister and by give I mean sell.

  

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25. "I did not buy one."
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26. "File that one in the no shit department. LOL."
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27. "I DID buy one"
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It'll arrive via FedEx on launch day.

BUT - my Mac Pro died today - it might be in the shop on launch day.

  

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28. "(Off topic) Mac Pro is dead"
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Died a horrible death. 3 months out of warranty.

Looks like a guide pin for the heat sink somehow fell off and shorted the machine??? Apple says they've neve seen anything like it. (And i've never removed the heat sink - ever.)

$1500 in parts is a real possiblity.

BUT - Apple is taking care of it for free. They don't have to - but they are.

So I'll probably first sync the iPhone 4 with the PC.

  

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29. "caught a good look"
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30. "RDF baby."
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:)

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31. "Stop with the RDF"
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Apple's paying for my out of warranty repair. That's the REALITY FIELD.

Meanwhile Google are fighting my credit card dispute after they tricked me into singing up for a recurring adwords account.

  

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32. "can't stop won't stop..eh,eh...eh,eh..."
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lol

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33. "they also built a computer"
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where a pin fell off the heat sink and shorted the motherboard

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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34. "RE: they also built a computer"
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>where a pin fell off the heat sink and shorted the
>motherboard
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Yeah, but 1)Flaws sometimes happen and 2)They are repairing it out of warranty for free.

I looked on the net and can not find a single experince about a pin falling off one of these. I can't imagine how for 15 months the computer could sit in a 99.9% stationary manner and then have a guide pin fall off.

The tech said he saw no corrision and had no idea what exactly happened.

Compared with my Dell XPS-435T (which has had two complete motherboard/proc/ram/power supply replacements) Apple is doing prety well.

But what this brings up for me is Apple's custoemer service experince has been superior to Dell/HP or Gateway (and certainly much better than google.

My Mac stopped working and I had an appointment with a "genius" less than 2 hours after it happened. I left the computer at 12:15pm and by 6:30pm they had called me and told me they were repairing it for free - even though it was out of warranty and they had never seen a problem like this before.

That's why they have poeple's loyalty - not some "RDF" and fan-boyism. It's about customer service.

  

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35. "yeah."
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if I do have a problem, which is very rare, they fix it.

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36. "i've had half a dozen repairs/replacements out of warranty"
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their customer service is the best, bar none*














*point blank, period

  

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37. "they changed their rules for her."
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38. "i don't fly into Norfolk til the 25th"
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so i'm hoping to pick two up from somewhere for me and the ol'lady.


what are the chances of them being available retail?

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39. "Better get there early."
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You could try a Best Buy as well.

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40. "or maybe Radioshack"
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but I dunno how many they're gonna get, has to be less tho.

  

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41. "tell me this"
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i've never brought a cell phone from the likes of Best Buy i've always brought it straight from the carrier (AT&T; Verizon etc)


how does that work if you buy the device from a retailer like Best Buy?

Do i still have to physically take it to an AT&T store to activate it or can i do it via the web or phone?

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43. "nah they hook it up"
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its really not any different than the retail stores, they are legit from my experience.

most of those retail stores don't offer much besides selling phones and overpriced accessories, the best buy guys know just as much as the flunkies at the att wireless jungles.

'a baker earns his living by baking. a carpenter, by building things. youre a rapper, RAP MOTHERFUCKER' - lyor cohen

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42. "Eager beavers - check Fedex"
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If your Apple acount says "Prepared for Shipping" you can cheat a bit by going to the FedEx page at:
https://www.fedex.com/AltRefTracking?cntry_code=us

Enter the phone number for the iPhone 4 in the reference field, then choose your Country and enter your zip code and you'll get an update on your status.

Mine:
Anticipated ship date Jun 20, 2010
Estimated delivery Jun 23, 2010 by 6:00 PM
Destination
SAN DIEGO, CA

  

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44. "ETA is still thursday."
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45. "I got a reservation, I'm 50/50 on picking it up"
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I hate waiting needlesly when the phone is going to be in normal stock in about a month's time. I'll DL the OS and see if there is anything that I just have to have.

  

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46. "Do you have 3GS? If not you'll want to cop."
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Because multitasking ain't happen if you're rocking 3G or less.

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54. "Yeah, I got a 3GS"
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Almost a year old to the day, they are still letting me reup at $199. It still works great and I'm really attached to it, so I'm going to do the OS thing and wait and see until the stocks are stable (maybe get a white one, dunno). If the camera is as dope as the demo looked, I'll rush to get one before the of next month and my vacation, don't want to haul my slr around ((Got the D3000, btw)).

  

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47. "anyone else have a AT&T Premier account?"
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mine still says processing, but doesnt mention a ship date.

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48. "me too"
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49. "same here. I got in after the 1:30PDT cutoff, so my joints"
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maybe delayed. We'll see though. I'm holding out hope.


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55. "just got confirmation on shipping 6/23 before 3pm"
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on wifey's 16gb..no word on my 32..

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56. "when did you get your order placed?"
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i got mine in @ 3:29 pm CT.

When i read about the cutoff time, i rushed back to check when mine was logged in. the email confirmation said 3:29... so i hope i made it lol.

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57. "just called em and they said my joint will be shipped on"
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the 24th, I should get it on the 25th. I just missed the cutoff about an hour.

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58. "based on your post, i just called too"
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according to the automated machine my order has been processed and will ship shortly...

but the website still say processing.

hopefully they update that soon, so i can get the shipping number.

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93. "she got hers today"
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her email confirm was 11:45am EST..mines 1:04pm EST

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59. "AT&T Premier account members - use the regular ATT site"
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that site gets updated.

my order is already in transit. while the premier site still says processing.


-On the right side of "Account Overview" is a "Check Order Status" link. From there I put in my wireless number and zip code, and voila...

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86. "then from there you can track it, not sure if they only use FEDEX"
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Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
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50. "Everything's more responsive. "
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The clue finder...the barrel rider.

*puts on One ring*

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51. "Waitin on that White... hope they don't take long :["
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52. "^got a bag of cheeseburgers READY...."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYoUGkQJI64

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53. "June 23rd"
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Dear Apple Store Customer,

You recently received a Shipment Notification email from Apple advising you that your iPhone has shipped.

This email is to confirm that your delivery will occur on June 23rd. Although Apple and FedEx tracking information may currently indicate a later date, you can check the FedEx website the morning of the June 23rd to track your package to your doorstep.

In the event that you will not be available to accept delivery on June 23rd, it may be more convenient to use our pre-sign delivery option by visiting our Order Status website at http://www.apple.com/orderstatus.

Sincerely,

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60. "Engadget: "Best smartphone on the market" (swipe)"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/iphone-4-review/

We're not going to beat around the bush -- in our approximation, the iPhone 4 is the best smartphone on the market right now. The combination of gorgeous new hardware, that amazing display, upgraded cameras, and major improvements to the operating system make this an extremely formidable package. Yes, there are still pain points that we want to see Apple fix, and yes, there are some amazing alternatives to the iPhone 4 out there. But when it comes to the total package -- fit and finish in both software and hardware, performance, app selection, and all of the little details that make a device like this what it is -- we think it's the cream of the current crop. We won't argue that a lot of this is a matter of taste -- some people will just prefer the way Android or Symbian works to the iPhone, and others will be on the lookout for a hardware keyboard or a particular asset that the iPhone 4 lacks -- but in terms of the total picture, it's tough to deny that Apple has moved one step past the competition with this phone. Of course, in the hyper-accelerated smartphone market where the Next Big Thing seems to always be just around the corner, it's anyone's guess how long they keep that edge.

  

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61. "coming from engadget that's expected....."
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here's the side by side

other than the screen there really isn't any advantages

http://www.ihackintosh.com/2010/06/iphone-4-vs-nexus-one-vs-evo-4g-vs-droid-incredible/

  

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62. "i always find these matrices funny"
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a product is a total package, not a list of hardware specs. you could just as easily write a matrix like this where the iphone 4 dominates in every category.

  

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63. "tru...."
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but it doesn't at all

  

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64. "you're in the minority, holmes"
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is there another phone that records 720p video at 30 fps?
how about a 326 dpi display?
36 hours of battery life while using multitasking?
actual usable low-light photos?
video chat that doesn't require setting up a bunch of third-party software (and actually works)?
any other phones let you edit the video you shoot on them, add transitions, soundtracks...?
any with a gyroscope for gaming/augmented reality apps?
32 GB of onboard storage?
802.11n?

i'm not saying the phone's for everyone, but it's pretty clear they've ticked a lot of boxes on the hardware front. the android phones'll catch up to almost all of this stuff in the next six months, but imo you've got a pretty hard sell trying to convince someone that the evo (or whichever phone you like) is ahead of the iphone 4 in the hardware department.

  

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68. "ha ha "
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R D to the muthafunkin F

n1 has 802.11n capability with 2.2 also fm radio

the video chat only works with wifi and other iphone 4 users (yeah that's a win)

like I said earlier the only advantage is the screen and even that's not by too much

keep diggin homie

  

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69. "i'm not trying to change your mind"
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all i'm saying is the manufacturers of android handsets are going to have a difficult time trying to market their phones against the iphone 4 on hardware specs, the single selling point they've been using for the past six months. there is no compelling hardware-based reason that i can see (other than the lack of a physical keyboard) not to get the iphone.

  

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71. "and still...."
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there's no compelling reason hardware wise to not get a high end android handset over the iphone

seems we're at a stalemate

  

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72. "but there is an enormously compelling software reason"
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80. "Not really"
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/06/10/apple-ios-3-4-vs-android-2-1-eclair-2-2-froyo-fight/

  

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81. "where's the app matrix?"
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73. "Android raised the bar and Apple responded"
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to the the first 3 are all addressed by the Samsung Galaxy S (it also
has 802.11n--although, I have to admit that I could care less. haha)

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-3115.php
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/16/samsung-galaxy-s-preview/

>is there another phone that records 720p video at 30 fps?
>actual usable low-light photos?
>video chat that doesn't require setting up a bunch of
>third-party software (and actually works)?

the last because setting up & third party are pretty disingenuous.
Qik comes preloaded and doesn't require much more set up than an
email account would.

>how about a 326 dpi display?

not sure that'll be a priority. there are other concerns about displays.

btw, engadget on the Galaxy S' Super AMOLED display: "Our opinion
hasn't changed at all here: this is one of the finest displays you
can hope to lay eyes on."

>36 hours of battery life while using multitasking?

that remains to be seen, but would be one of the most impressive
things about iPhone 4. it'd be their strongest selling point
next to the app store

>any other phones let you edit the video you shoot on them, add
>transitions, soundtracks...?

that's a great feature. technically, it's just an app though

>any with a gyroscope for gaming/augmented reality apps?

nope

>32 GB of onboard storage?

I'm not sure a manufacturer would offer that any time soon.
doesn't seem to makes sense for them cost-wise. "expandable up to 32GB"
seems like the better way to go for Android phone makers

>802.11n?

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74. "no doubt"
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>the last because setting up & third party are pretty
>disingenuous.
>Qik comes preloaded and doesn't require much more set up than
>an
>email account would.

OK, fair enough, but there's an enormous difference between "some set up required" and "no set up required". Also, the reviews I've read say Qik sucks so bad that it's unusable. in the future, i doubt they'll bother screwing around licensing something like Qik when facetime's open and they can use it for free. seems like a no-brainer.

>>36 hours of battery life while using multitasking?

it's a pretty informal test, but that's what topolsky at engadget quotes it at.

>I'm not sure a manufacturer would offer that any time soon.
>doesn't seem to makes sense for them cost-wise. "expandable up
>to 32GB"
>seems like the better way to go for Android phone makers

for sure. with 2.2 are you going to be able to store apps on the card?

  

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75. "that's what they say."
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>>I'm not sure a manufacturer would offer that any time soon.
>>doesn't seem to makes sense for them cost-wise. "expandable
>up
>>to 32GB"
>>seems like the better way to go for Android phone makers
>
>for sure. with 2.2 are you going to be able to store apps on
>the card?

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78. "cool"
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sounds good

  

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65. "really? i don't think of engadget as pro-apple"
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or apple fanboy territory.

  

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67. "clearly you haven't read the comments"
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^^^^total apple and sony fanboy and apologist according to commenters



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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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70. "Who has time to read those comments!"
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I've skimmed through them here and there, but shit, there are hundreds of comments within hours of a post.

I meant more in terms of gadget coverage. Apple gets center stage when new products are announced or released, but on the day to day, seems to cover more pc oriented products.

  

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66. "iOs 4 thoughts"
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installed this on a 3GS....

has been working pretty smooth thus far except some minor issues:

- voicemail now asks me for my password! i dont even remember setting one up in the first place. shit, now i have to call ATT....ugh
- i don't understand the multi-tasking. if i switch from a twitter app to something else and then back to my twitter app, the twitter app reloads as if i just launched it. it doesn't just resume from where i was before. same thing happened with good reader. is this how its supposed to work?
- having all mailboxes in one view is awesome and much needed.
- two exchange accounts is working flawlessly thus far
- i've been enjoying the ibooks pdf reader more than good reader thus far. but this is just from an aesthetic pov...havn't gotten to functionality yet.
- folders seems cool, but could be an issue down road trying to visually identify where an app is. they start to all look the same. would be nice if you can pick an image for the folder.

  

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76. "apparently, that's one area where multi-tasking isn't allowed"
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>- i don't understand the multi-tasking. if i switch from a
>twitter app to something else and then back to my twitter app,
>the twitter app reloads as if i just launched it. it doesn't
>just resume from where i was before. same thing happened with
>good reader. is this how its supposed to work?


http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2010/06/ars-reviews-ios-4-whats-new-and-notable.ars

"What can't your third-party apps do while in the background?

"* Grab new updates: those of you who were hoping that your Twitter, IM, or IRC client would pull down updates while hanging out in the background will be disappointed. Unless those apps make use of push notifications to alert you of new messages (as the AIM app does), apps won't be able to check for updates on their own unless they're in the foreground."

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77. "it sounds like the task completion api can be used as a workaround"
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from the engadget review:

We don't know the boundaries for this API, though it seems to leave a lot of room for creative use. We know it's not just big jobs, it's little ones too -- Colloquy uses this feature to keep you connected to your IRC host. To be honest, that kind of behavior is one thing we thought we wouldn't see in iOS 4, and here it is. Hopefully Twitter app devs and other instant messaging clients will utilize the API in a similar manner.

  

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79. "damn, i knew this, and still forgot about it"
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>"What can't your third-party apps do while in the background?
>
> "* Grab new updates: those of you who were hoping that your
>Twitter, IM, or IRC client would pull down updates while
>hanging out in the background will be disappointed. Unless
>those apps make use of push notifications to alert you of new
>messages (as the AIM app does), apps won't be able to check
>for updates on their own unless they're in the foreground."

pretty stupid

  

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82. "here you go"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/twitter-for-iphone-now-ready-for-ios-4-multitasking/

The official Twitter app is keeping up with the times by rolling out iOS 4 support in its latest build. With the program now able to run in the background, you'll finally be able to send tweets while switching in and out of other applications. It also means you won't have to relaunch the app every time you want to check up on the latest happenings, it'll just keep your place like a good and loyal piece of software. Retina Display-friendly graphics are also part of the new package, along with "more secure" tweeting, if you ever felt insecure about the integrity of you shorthand missives. All it's missing now are the millions of "sent from my iPhone 4" messages, a gap we're sure you'll be filling pronto.

  

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83. "was gonna post this, exactly what i was looking for"
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> It also means you won't have to relaunch the app
>every time you want to check up on the latest happenings,
>it'll just keep your place like a good and loyal piece of
>software.


i hate leaving the app in the middle of going through a timeline, only to come back to the most recent tweet and have to go find my place. problem solved!

  

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84. "Bought and paid for.... expected on June 25"
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Only that sucks with the AT & T pre order is that they only accept real credit cards, no debit doubles

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98. "Looks like I'll be getting it a day early (today)"
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it's at my FEDEX hub on 11 mile Rd right now ready for local delivery

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87. "How to get an iPhone 4 on Thursday (swipe)"
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Looks like I may be outta luck, seeing as how I didn't preorder.


http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9178421/How_to_get_an_iPhone_4_on_Thursday?taxonomyId=15

Computerworld - The iPhone 4 madness may have not crested yet.

With AT&T suspending online orders and Apple boasting that it sold more than 600,000 in less than 24 hours last week, you don't have to be a soothsayer to say that the iPhone 4 is in short-shorter-shortest supply.

So how do you -- whether you're a procrastinator or an innocent victim whose luck ran out when the ordering system collapsed last week -- score a new iPhone on Thursday?

With difficulty, it seems.

But you do have options.

Where can I get an iPhone 4? It looks like your best bet is an Apple retail store.

Apple doesn't disclose the quantity of inventory on hand, and what with the pre-order sellout and the ensuing delivery date pushback for online orders -- Apple now says it won't ship new orders until July 14 -- iPhones may be in short supply Thursday.

What about AT&T? Won't its stores have them on hand? Nope.

On Tuesday, the carrier said that it wouldn't have any iPhone 4s for sale to walk-in customers on Thursday.

"AT&T plans to have iPhone 4 inventory -- available on a first-come, first-served basis while supplies last -- on June 29 in its retail locations, at www.att.com, and in business sales channels," the company said in a statement.

Looks like AT&T used its allocation to fulfill the pre-orders that swamped its systems June 17, and which forced it to suspend all online orders later that day.

OK, I'm heading to Best Buy or Wal-Mart or Radio Shack... there's no nearby Apple store. All we can say is, "Best of luck."

From all reports, Apple stiffed its retail partners. Best Buy's customer forum, for example, is thick with reports from people who claim to be in the know saying that the electronics discounter will have a very small supply of iPhone 4s to sell Thursday. Ditto for Wal-Mart.

Radio Shack looks even gloomier. "In some cases, stores that took requests will not receive the iPhone 4 on June 24," Radio Shack announced Tuesday on its Facebook page. "We are sorry for any confusion and disappointment regarding this and will share future availability as soon as we have more information."

The retailer can't even promise that people who pre-ordered an iPhone 4 last week at a store that will have a supply will actually get theirs Thursday. Radio Shack doesn't come right out and say this, but it won't be selling to walk-in customers this week. "Beginning June 22, stores will contact customers from their request list and schedule appointments for customers to come in Thursday, purchase units and activate service. Sales are by appointment only," said Radio Shack's Facebook post.

When does the iPhone 4 go on sale? In the U.S., Apple's retail stores open on Thursday, June 24, at 7 a.m. local time.

As we already mentioned, AT&T won't have any iPhones to sell to walk-in customers until at least June 29. If you managed to get in a pre-order last week for in-store pick-up, you should hear from someone at the store, who will schedule a time to retrieve your precious.

Best Buy, Wal-Mart and Radio Shack will open at their regular hours, but remember that not all stores will have the devices in stock and most of those that do will have a very limited supply.

Will there be lines Thursday? Does Steve Jobs like to say "boom"?

Lines were significantly shorter last year for the iPhone 3GS than they were in 2008 when people were caught up in the nuttiness of the 3G. Credit that to the switch back to at-home activation.

This year, Apple and AT&T took online pre-orders for at-home delivery, which theoretically should cut down the lines at Apple's brick-and-mortar stores Thursday.

But indicators point to a much bigger launch for the iPhone 4 than for 2009's 3GS. We think the lines will be long tomorrow, with a good chance that Apple's stores sell out.

What countries get the iPhone 4 on Thursday? France, Germany, Japan, the U.K. and the U.S. That's it.

Earlier this month, Apple said that the Phone 4 will launch by the end of July in 18 additional countries: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland. The rest of the 88 markets in Apple's realm won't get the new iPhone until September.

Apple hasn't set any definite dates in July or September for either group, nor do the online stores dedicated to the 18 July countries mention any schedule.

What will I pay for the iPhone 4? As usual, that depends on your relationship with AT&T, and if you own an older iPhone.

If you're currently not an AT&T customer, you're set: You qualify for the subsidized prices of $199 for the 16GB model and $299 for the 32GB version.

If you are a current iPhone owner, or an AT&T customer who uses another type of phone, you may be eligible for the $199/$299 prices. In fact, you have a much better shot at those prices than you would have last year with the iPhone 3GS, when AT&T subscribers raised a stink over a $200 surcharge that AT&T levied on customers who had not fulfilled most or all of their two-year contracts. (Under pressure, AT&T relented, giving customers eligible in July, August and September immediate access to the lower prices.)

This time, AT&T has said every iPhone owner scheduled for upgrade pricing between June 7 and the end of the year would be immediately eligible for the $199/$299 prices.

To see if you've made the grade, check your account online at ATT.com, or dial *639# (star-639-pound) from your iPhone (the latter results in a returned text message).

How long will it take to get an iPhone? Not long.

Like last year, iPhone buyers can pay, walk out of the store and head home to activate their new devices using iTunes 9.2.

What do I bring with me to the store? To get out of the store with an iPhone, you'll need a credit card to pay for the phone. Later, during the iTunes activation process, you'll need your Social Security number for the credit check required by AT&T. If you're replacing an existing phone, you obviously have to have that number and authorization to manage its account.

Ordering online? You'll need the above plus your billing address, date of birth, and an e-mail address to open a new account.

It sounds like madness. I'll wait a few days. Is there a way to tell whether the iPhone 4 is in stock before I drive to the store? Probably.

The last three years, Apple has fired up an iPhone availability tool that lets you check the company's retail stores' stocks, and there's no good reason why it won't launch it again. (But this is Apple we're talking about, so who really knows?) Here's a link to 2009's tool; it currently redirects to the iPhone 4 online ordering site.

I keep hearing people talking about a recovery, but it hasn't reached me. Is there anything I can get on the cheap? For $99, you can get an 8GB version of last year's iPhone 3GS. And unlike the iPhone 4, the older 3GS is in stock.

Want something for free? If you have an iPhone 3GS, upgrade to the iOS 4 operating system -- formerly called iPhone OS 4 -- to give your year-old smartphone multitasking and the rest of the operating system-based features that the iPhone 4 sports. You don't get the front-facing camera or FaceTime or the gyroscope, but like we said, it's free.

Money's no object. What are my options? There's always eBay.

As of early Wednesday, there were hundreds of iPhone 4s listed on the auction site, with prices as high as -- are you sitting down? -- $15,000.

You heard right: Fifteen. Thousand. Dollars. And look... shipping is free. What a deal.

Caveat emptor, everyone.

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88. "just got mines"
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was about to head back to work (home for lunch), and FedEx guy delivered

waiting for it to reinstall my programs...

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89. ":/ Shipping info received and arriving tomorrow at 3pm."
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90. "it shits all over my 3G"
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I skipped the 3GS, so it's nice to have a pretty sizable speed increase in everything.

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91. "Got mine"
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Very easy activation/set-up.

Feels kinda small. Going to use it later today.

  

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118. "Flakey camera in mine == exchanged for a new one"
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About 30% of the time the camera shutter wouldn't open. might have been a software issue but Apple exchanged it for another

  

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92. "i'm already filling mine up with music (aka the last step)"
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94. "Retina Display = Cheese Eyes"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/poll-is-your-iphone-4-retina-display-seeing-yellow-spots

(joking)

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95. "iPhone 4 cell reception suffers when picked up? (swipe)"
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http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/23/iphone-4-cell-reception-suffers-when-picked-up/

iPhone 4 cell reception suffers when picked up?
from The Unofficial Apple Weblog (TUAW) by Victor Agreda, Jr.

Filed under: iPhone
Popout

Could this be the reason Apple is selling those rubber bumpers? Check out the video above and watch the iPhone 4's reception bars visibly drop. A magic trick? No, apparently skin and antennas are not BFF's. In fact, reception drops once your hands cover the metal bits of the iPhone 4. Metal bits which happen to be the antennas.

In fact, this reception conniption was predicted on Fox's Gadgets and Games two weeks ago: "Having been in the cellular business most of my career, I think it's really odd that you'd want an antenna grounded by a moist hand." Check out the video; it's about 24 minutes in when MAKE magazine's Dave Mathews calls it.

Plus, Gizmodo's ever-evolving crowdsourced review indicates the same issue with reception once your fleshy palms come in contact with the thing -- they've also got additional videos and testimonials about the issue in a separate post. Not great news for me and my Southern pals, since we're living in a soupy summer already. I'll test the reception in a few places around town tomorrow, hands and hands-free, to see what we discover.

Thanks to everyone who sent this in, especially Wes for the video.

  

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99. "many users, including engadget are reporting dropped calls"
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when the phone is used in the left hand!

lol.

  

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100. "Actually Engadget reports fewer dropped calls..."
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just to clarify, edgadget reports says that the number of bars displayed are effected by how the phone is held but that there is no increase in drops or decrease actual signal strength. also says that apple acknowledges the issue. it's in the engadget article linked in a previous post in this thread.

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102. "http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop..."
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/

that's what he's referring to. the review says fewer dropped calls than
the 3GS. this problem doesn't seem to affect every iPhone 4--or at
least not with the same severity

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103. "http://www.pcworld.com/article/199609/the_first_iphone_4_reviews_spoiler..."
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/199609/the_first_iphone_4_reviews_spoilers_ahead.html?tk=hp_new

Josh Topolsky, Engadget, “iPhone 4 Review“

Well in our testing, we had far, far fewer dropped calls than we experienced on our 3GS…It wasn’t perfect, and we had some connection issues in downtown New York City in particular, though it’s tough to say if it was the fault of our phone, the cluster of buildings we were near, or the person we were speaking to, who was on a 3GS in the same location.

The first time we took a call on the device we were walking down New York’s extremely noisy Fifth Avenue, and right away it was obvious that the secondary, noise-canceling mic was doing some heavy lifting, at least on the other end of the line…As far as the speakerphone goes, it gets loud without distorting or producing cutting midrange, a problem we’ve noticed on quite a few recent phones.

We were a little surprised by the fact that you can only mute the audio on your calls; if you want the video off, you need to cover the lens in the old fashioned way — with your hands.

The battery life on the iPhone 4 has been outstanding thus far, exceeding our expectations for longevity during testing. We’ve only had a short time to use the phone, but in the week or so we’ve been carrying the device as our main phone, we’ve had pretty amazing results under normal to heavy use. In fact, we managed to squeeze more than 38 hours — yes, 38 hours — of life out of a single charge using the phone as we normally would.

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104. "you haven't posted this crazy since Ron Paul ran for Pres."
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which means that you won't back down even though you're making almost no sense.

I could point out the fact that engadget refers*(1) to their review in the
link I posted (thereby making your linkage entirely pointless) but
you still wouldn't admit that their main point--"Some iPhone 4 models
dropping calls when held left-handed, including ours" is completely
reasonable. you'd rather convince yourself that it's all a "hoax"

*shrug*

*(1)"P.P.S. Since some of you are asking, our review unit showed none of these issues."

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106. "What if I told you that"
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I have it in my hand right now and I DO NOT have that problem



I even stood out in the sun and made a call... nothing....


Sorry I don't buy WOLF TICKETS my nigga....lol

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120. "I'm officially not alone...."
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(I was unable to replicate the reception-loss issue some are experiencing due to the new metal trim.)

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Dato=20100629&Kategori=NEWS09&Lopenr=6290364&Ref=AR&template=fullarticle

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96. "shit is wack "
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97. "fuck softbank"
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where's my phone, jerks?

  

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136. "agreed! fuck softbank, i hate those bastards"
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__________________________________

*Note to self: Add Sig*

  

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101. "man fuck best buy"
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the store i pre-ordered from got TEN phones in.

this is bullshit.

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105. "Got it. Will post video from Afro Punk Festival this weekend."
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107. "Got mine today. "
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Just activated. Buttery smooth.


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108. ""
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109. "The line at the downtown SF store is 1k+ deep"
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Shit is ridiculous.

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110. "man, this muthafucka is fast as fuck"
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I like that.....

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111. "Makes 3G look like Bo Kimble "
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112. "Word. Speeds aren't even comparable."
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So glad multitasking is finally here.

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113. "just got it"
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114. "Anybody try FaceTime yet?"
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115. "Yerp it's dope!"
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Can't wait to get one for the girl after we get hitched, much cooler than skype, the 2 camera functionality is damn cool

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116. "didnt realize how slow my 3G was til I got this one"
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117. "Apple Store last night .. 500 people deep .... *LEFT* ...."
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went back today ...15 minutes later .... 32G in hand.

Helped that I had a 16G reserved, but dude looked like he was going to do it anyway.

Main, fuck lines. I did that for the first phone. This time I kept my 4+ hours and have the same phone RIGHT NOW.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

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119. "Now that the smoke has cleared.................."
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Comparing the new iPhone, Droid Incredible and EVO 4G

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Dato=20100629&Kategori=NEWS09&Lopenr=6290364&Ref=AR&template=fullarticle


With the release of the Apple iPhone 4, the nation's top three wireless carriers are locked in a battle for smartphone supremacy.




AT&T has the all-new iPhone 4, Verizon has the sleek HTC Droid Incredible and Sprint has the feature-packed HTC EVO 4G.

How do they stack up?
Displays

The Incredible features a high-contrast, super-vibrant OLED display; the EVO goes for broke with a huge 4.3-inch screen; and the iPhone brings us something new with its retina display with tiny pixels.

It's a classic battle, quality versus quantity, but the iPhone's retina display really is a stunner and wins this category.

The EVO display, sharp as it is, overtaxes the battery.
But how does it feel?

No phone feels as comfortable in the hand as the Incredible. Its narrow and thin build with sculpted plastic back give it a natural feel.

The iPhone 4 is even thinner, but the new metal trim and squared glass edges can make the phone uncomfortable. This is easily alleviated with the addition of Apple's Bumper case -- a $29 add-on.

(I was unable to replicate the reception-loss issue some are experiencing due to the new metal trim.)

The EVO's biggest strength, its monster screen, is also its biggest hindrance. I never felt comfortable using the EVO. It felt like an novelty item, like a PDA from years passed, and not like something I'd want to pull in and out of my pocket all day.
Software

The Incredible and EVO both run on Google's Android 2.1 operating system and also feature HTC Sense, which adds widgets and seven customizable panes to the home screen. The iPhone runs Apple's iOS 4, a minor upgrade to the phone's long-standing user interface.

Because the iPhone features one-button navigation, controls are often on the lower part of the screen, eating up valuable real estate.
Cameras

The iPhone 4's 5-megapixel still camera was far superior to the 8-megapixels on the Android phones.

• MORE: See test images from the 3 phones

It's important to look at more than just the resolution, as both Android cameras performed poorly in low light.

In every scenario the iPhone 4's camera won out. The EVO, the overall worst performer, took unusually poor photos in low light.
Video calling

While the EVO also offers a front-facing camera that can be used for video calls, Apple has created a simple means -- FaceTime -- for connecting iPhone 4 users for video calls while on a Wi-Fi network. There's no app to download, no service to sign up for. It just works. For free.
Battery life

The EVO was always the first of these three to die out, often hours before the Incredible or iPhone 4.

At one point, an error message caused by a changed password forced the EVO to continually try -- and fail -- to sync, prompting for an immediate fix. Just an hour or so later, by the time I grabbed the EVO from my bag, it was warm and the battery almost completely drained.

The Age of Smartphones has certainly trained us to never be too far from a phone charger, but with the EVO you'll need one for your car, desk, couch, bedside stand and kitchen table.
The verdict

For now, the iPhone 4 regains the throne among smartphones, supplanting the Incredible.

With its impossibly fine retina display and the debut of FaceTime, the iPhone is, once again, the one to beat.

MARK W. SMITH writes the Browser blog for freep.com. Contact him at 313-223-4424 or msmith@freepress.com. Follow him on Twitter: @markdubya.

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121. "so basically, he likes the iPhone and he hates the Evo"
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k.

this makes you a better person somehow

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122. "Better MAN not PERSON, pee wee...."
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>k.
>
>this makes you a better person somehow



And I've always been better than you

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123. "that's what you need to believe."
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124. "you're losing your talents"
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125. "smfh @ how AppleCare will handle iPhone 4 reception complaints (link)"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/apple-telling-reps-to-smooth-over-iphone-4-reception-complaints/

BGR appears to have nabbed a document being distributed by Apple
corporate to AppleCare reps tasked with handling iPhone 4 customers
miffed with the antenna performance fiasco -- and for the time being,
the recommendations are focusing on managing expectations, not fixing
the problem. In a nutshell, reps are being instructed to pass on a
more politically correct version of Steve's email by telling
customers that they should "avoid covering the black strip in the
lower-left corner of the metal band." Interestingly, they agree that
bumpers might fix the problem, but they're emphatic in saying that
they "ARE NOT appeasing customers with free bumpers – DON'T promise a
free bumper to customers." And yes, that statement is complete with
caps and bold in the source document, so they mean business, it would
seem. If it's any consolation, Apple says that "the iPhone 4's
wireless performance is the best have ever shipped," but let's
be honest: for those zapping their calls into the afterlife every
time they brush their phone the wrong way, it's not much consolation at all.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/06/29/leaked-apples-internal-iphone-4-antenna-troubleshooting-procedures

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126. "What's the big deal about this"
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Get a case and get on with it

  

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127. "no, that's bullshit"
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>Get a case and get on with it
>

you shouldn't HAVE TO get a case just to make your phone work properly. that's complete horseshit. it's a bad design by apple and terrible that they didn't catch this in testing.

i always hate the X vs. Y fanboy posts, but i will say that if this was MS people would be talking more shit.

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128. "I'm watching that FaceTime commercial..."
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and mad people were holding the phone left-handed. I'm thinking now hurry up before the signal disappears. I have an iPhone 4 but I find this fiasco one part disappointing and one part humorous. I haven't really had too many issues with the reception. So far it seems like my reception has improved.

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129. "all phones lose reception when held a certain way"
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Not sure what the big deal is, what do you want a free bumper case?


Do you people want Apple to wipe your ass next, brush your teeth and hold your hand when you walk across the street?

Get a case and STFU

but RROD on xbox 360 is a little bit different then phone not working when held a certain way like most cellphones or anything with an antenna

Here is an iphone lawsuit go sign up for it, http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/handheld/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225701826&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News

  

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130. "do all phones lose signal when held in the conventional way?"
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131. "it's a non-issue"
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can be solved with a case
most cell phones reception changes on location, how it's being held and numerous factors, nothing out of the normal for a cell phone
if it's that big of a deal people should return the phone, and go buy the Android or HTC, or better yet go use a landline phone

  

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132. "dropping calls for holding the phone normal is "non-issue"??"
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>can be solved with a case
>most cell phones reception changes on location, how it's being
>held and numerous factors, nothing out of the normal for a
>cell phone
>if it's that big of a deal people should return the phone, and
>go buy the Android or HTC, or better yet go use a landline
>phone

again, you should be forced to spend more money to get your phone not to drop calls. seriously, what world are you in that holding the phone in a normal position causes it to drop calls is a non-issue??

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133. "It's still a non-issue"
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>>can be solved with a case
>>most cell phones reception changes on location, how it's
>being
>>held and numerous factors, nothing out of the normal for a
>>cell phone
>>if it's that big of a deal people should return the phone,
>and
>>go buy the Android or HTC, or better yet go use a landline
>>phone


>again, you should be forced to spend more money to get your
>phone not to drop calls. seriously, what world are you in that
>holding the phone in a normal position causes it to drop calls
>is a non-issue??

Get a case, problem solved, or go use a landline phone or don't buy an Iphone
very simple



  

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137. "Niggas forgot all about choices"
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and this is High Tech?

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138. "1.7 million sold, 15,000 with problem - non-issue"
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Basically, right
everyone knows the Iphone is not for making calls
lol

  

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139. "8.82 %"
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you make the 'call'

Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~
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140. "uhh....."
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141. "lmao"
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134. "iPhone 4 should be held gently using only the index finger & thumb"
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and one's pinky extended, of course


not only is it suitable for such a luxurious device, but the pinky finger
also increases reception

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135. "winner winner chicken dinner"
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>and one's pinky extended, of course
>
>
>not only is it suitable for such a luxurious device, but the
>pinky finger
>also increases reception

  

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142. "Eliminate: gun range is the shit"
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The next generation of fps and racing games on the iPhone are going to be sick. The gyroscope makes tilting to aim scary accurate. The actual game is pretty fun, too.

  

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143. "reception verdict?"
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Those that have the phone - what's the verdict? Big problem? Beat-up? Had to change how you hold it? No big deal?
What would you rate the phone all up?

I'm not taking a dip until I get some qualified and real opinions.

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144. "hasn't been an issue at all"
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build quality is phenomenal. display and camera are amazing. launching apps, app switching, bringing up search etc. are all super fast. pretty crashy, but os 4 is still a point 0 release. once they get the kinks worked out it should be buttery smooth.

feels and functions like it should cost a lot more.

  

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145. "So none of you guys want to address the elephant in the room?"
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http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html

---
Love,
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146. "It's a bullshit response by apple. It's also troubling that"
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they think everyone is stupid enough to not see through that BS. "Stunned?" FOH, apple.
You knew damn well what yall bitches were doing.

That said, I've still had a much better experience than on the 3GS with regards to calls being dropped. So, I would agree that the new design is better. I have a bumper on my phone but even without it, the performance was much better. They need to start handing out bumpers for free, apologize, and move the fuck on. But I guess doing so would bring about a tidal wave of lawsuits, so i guess, this is all we'll get.


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149. "I don't understand your position"
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Fri Jul-02-10 04:16 PM by handle

          

>they think everyone is stupid enough to not see through that
>BS. "Stunned?" FOH, apple.
>You knew damn well what yall bitches were doing.
>
>That said, I've still had a much better experience than on the
>3GS with regards to calls being dropped. So, I would agree
>that the new design is better. I have a bumper on my phone but
>even without it, the performance was much better. They need to
>start handing out bumpers for free, apologize, and move the
>fuck on. But I guess doing so would bring about a tidal wave
>of lawsuits, so i guess, this is all we'll get.
>
>
><-- Mini-me

So it's got better reception than the old iPhone without a bumper, but you think they should still give out free bumpers - and Apple thinks you are stupid - but you agree the new design is better??????

I'm CONFUSED.

  

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150. "RE: I don't understand your position"
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>>they think everyone is stupid enough to not see through
>that
>>BS. "Stunned?" FOH, apple.
>>You knew damn well what yall bitches were doing.
>>
>>That said, I've still had a much better experience than on
>the
>>3GS with regards to calls being dropped. So, I would agree
>>that the new design is better. I have a bumper on my phone
>but
>>even without it, the performance was much better. They need
>to
>>start handing out bumpers for free, apologize, and move the
>>fuck on. But I guess doing so would bring about a tidal wave
>>of lawsuits, so i guess, this is all we'll get.
>>
>>
>><-- Mini-me
>
>So it's got better reception than the old iPhone without a
>bumper, but you think they should still give out free bumpers
>- and Apple thinks you are stupid - but you agree the new
>design is better??????
>
>I'm CONFUSED.

My initial feelling was that they were trying to schmooz us with a PR cleanup job. Apple inflated the bars so that people could get the warm and fuzzies thinking they had a good signal and now appear to be fessing up.

With the 4, I dropped a few calls without the bumper but signal quality was still better than with the 3gs. I can make and hold a call in my bathroom. Call would drop within a minute with the 3gs. So to me, that is an improvement hence my feeling that the design has improved.

I still feel that there is an issue with the reception when you are touching both antennas. That's a problem that the bumper solves and apple should give them away for free.

<-- Mini-me

  

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154. "NEWS FLASH ALL BARS ON ALL CELLS ARE FAKE"
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Is this high-tech or general?


Apple just exposed the entire industry, they dry snitched on everyone. There is alot of industry hate on Apple coming into the cell phone biz.






  

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156. "RE: NEWS FLASH ALL BARS ON ALL CELLS ARE FAKE"
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>Is this high-tech or general?

High-tech is a broad ass term. Excuse me for not knowing the nuances of wireless tech.
I didn't know that this was common knowledge but thanks for the heads up.


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159. "my bad"
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my bad

  

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155. "I thought it was a grade A response "
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The closing is classic Apple. If you don't like it go return it to an Apple Store and GTFOH. LOL

  

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157. "RE: I thought it was a grade A response "
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>The closing is classic Apple. If you don't like it go return
>it to an Apple Store and GTFOH. LOL

HUH??????????????

You don't like that Appel reminded people who bought the product that they could return it for a FULL REFUND? That's a bad thing????

Apple loses money when people return the phone - GEEZ US Christy.

I think the word Apple makes some poeple CRAZY.

  

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158. "RE: I thought it was a grade A response "
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>>The closing is classic Apple. If you don't like it go
>return
>>it to an Apple Store and GTFOH. LOL
>
>HUH??????????????
>
>You don't like that Appel reminded people who bought the
>product that they could return it for a FULL REFUND? That's a
>bad thing????
>
>Apple loses money when people return the phone - GEEZ US
>Christy.
>
>I think the word Apple makes some poeple CRAZY.

It just means more cheap refurb phones for others to buy later.

  

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147. "I'm sure you read the anandtech article, right?"
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2

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160. "Outstanding article"
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>http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2
>
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148. "I think I read that differently"
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I saw Appel as saying that they had a bug, present since the 3G that sometimes shows too many bars.

AND they said that holding most cell phones in specific ways degrades their signal.

So they are releasing an update that more accurately reflects the actual signal strength within a few weeks. (Read: SHOW FEWER BARS.)

And that you can return an "undamaged" iPhone4 if you are unsatisfied for a FULL refund (no restocking.)


(I guess I missed the part where they tried to bamboozle people into thinking a software update would increase the strength of the signal. I don't think they've ever said that - but it's been the #1 thing I see peopel going APESHIT over.)
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Swipe:
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html


Letter from Apple Regarding iPhone 4

Dear iPhone 4 Users,

The iPhone 4 has been the most successful product launch in Apple’s history. It has been judged by reviewers around the world to be the best smartphone ever, and users have told us that they love it. So we were surprised when we read reports of reception problems, and we immediately began investigating them. Here is what we have learned.

To start with, gripping almost any mobile phone in certain ways will reduce its reception by 1 or more bars. This is true of iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, as well as many Droid, Nokia and RIM phones. But some users have reported that iPhone 4 can drop 4 or 5 bars when tightly held in a way which covers the black strip in the lower left corner of the metal band. This is a far bigger drop than normal, and as a result some have accused the iPhone 4 of having a faulty antenna design.

At the same time, we continue to read articles and receive hundreds of emails from users saying that iPhone 4 reception is better than the iPhone 3GS. They are delighted. This matches our own experience and testing. What can explain all of this?

We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising.

Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars. Users observing a drop of several bars when they grip their iPhone in a certain way are most likely in an area with very weak signal strength, but they don’t know it because we are erroneously displaying 4 or 5 bars. Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place.

To fix this, we are adopting AT&T’s recently recommended formula for calculating how many bars to display for a given signal strength. The real signal strength remains the same, but the iPhone’s bars will report it far more accurately, providing users a much better indication of the reception they will get in a given area. We are also making bars 1, 2 and 3 a bit taller so they will be easier to see.

We will issue a free software update within a few weeks that incorporates the corrected formula. Since this mistake has been present since the original iPhone, this software update will also be available for the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3G.

We have gone back to our labs and retested everything, and the results are the same— the iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. For the vast majority of users who have not been troubled by this issue, this software update will only make your bars more accurate. For those who have had concerns, we apologize for any anxiety we may have caused.

As a reminder, if you are not fully satisfied, you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund.

We hope you love the iPhone 4 as much as we do.

Thank you for your patience and support.

Apple

  

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151. "RE: I think I read that differently"
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it's just idiotic that they think that releasing a software fix is addressing the problem. it's not. it's like going on a first date with a sock down your pants, then pulling it out on the second one and saying "hey look, my dick is tiny!"

It's just lovely they're fixing a 'glitch' that inflated the already shit value of the phone's reception. All that will happen is people will see how much reception they are losing in a more true sense.

Retarded.

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153. "I still don't get this"
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>it's just idiotic that they think that releasing a software
>fix is addressing the problem. it's not. it's like going on a
>first date with a sock down your pants, then pulling it out on
>the second one and saying "hey look, my dick is tiny!"
>
>It's just lovely they're fixing a 'glitch' that inflated the
>already shit value of the phone's reception. All that will
>happen is people will see how much reception they are losing
>in a more true sense.
>
>Retarded.


1)Apple has admitted that they have been displaying TOO MANY BARS in the past. <-Sounds to me that they aren't afraid to admit mistakes.

2)This iPhone has better reception than any previous iPhone - just that sometimes depending on signal, your location and how you hold it the reception is lower than it could be if the iPhone 4 was magically floating in the air not being held - but it still has better reception than the iPhone, iPhone 3g or iPhone 3gs. <-Am I wrong about that? Hasn't every review (Anandtech, Consumer Reports, CNET) said they experienced fewer dropped calls with this phone?

Now, your ever so (not) apt analogy about showing your cock on a first date not withstanding, I think the beef that people are having is that when they hold the phone in certain ways the DISPLAY OF BARS GOES DOWN. Apple's response to this is:WE WERE DISPLAYING TOO MANY BARS AND YOU'LL BE SHOWN FEWER FROM NOW ON.

I can't see what Apple is "covering up" here. Seems like they admitted a mistake and are changing the display in a way that makes the phone's reception appear to be worse (while the reception is exactly the same as it has always been.)

Maybe you have a Faraday chamber with several cell towers in it and have conducted SCIENTIFIC test on these. If so, please share your results.

  

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161. "it's not necessarily a "cover up""
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it's just an idiotic "fix".

This is as simple as it gets: A software "fix" can't solve a hardware fault. All the "fix" does is show more accurately the reception signal, meaning it will show more accurately the bars disappearing due to...that's right, the hardware. Brilliant.

This does not fix the fact that when you hold the phone in a fairly normal way, it shorts out the antennas and you lose reception. Unless they recall all the phones they've sold and insulate the antennas properly or change the design this problem will persist until, i'm sure, iphone 4GS, which is a fuck up either way. So once again, Apple make a "phone" that fails in its most basic function. But hey, at least you can play games more accurately, and naive people will think, "well the software update will solve it all!" and continue to buy the phone blindly.

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162. "You don't necessarily "make sense""
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>it's just an idiotic "fix".
>
>This is as simple as it gets: A software "fix" can't solve a
>hardware fault. All the "fix" does is show more accurately the
>reception signal, meaning it will show more accurately the
>bars disappearing due to...that's right, the hardware.
>Brilliant.
>
>This does not fix the fact that when you hold the phone in a
>fairly normal way, it shorts out the antennas and you lose
>reception. Unless they recall all the phones they've sold and
>insulate the antennas properly or change the design this
>problem will persist until, i'm sure, iphone 4GS, which is a
>fuck up either way. So once again, Apple make a "phone" that
>fails in its most basic function. But hey, at least you can
>play games more accurately, and naive people will think, "well
>the software update will solve it all!" and continue to buy
>the phone blindly.
>


You think the iPhone becomes unusable when you hold it (or hold it a certain way) but I don't find any real evidence of that anywhere, except comments on message boards.

I've seen articles that say that the iPhone 4, if it was magically floating in the air, has better reception than it has when you hold it to your head, and/or hold it in a certain way. No articles from "reliable" sources indicate that they can reproduce dropping calls because of it - and they go further in saying that the call drop LESS on the new iPhone 4. ("Reliable sources are established tech sites/blogs like Cnet, Anandtech, Engadget, The New York Times, etc.)

Calls drop for many different reasons, like cell tower geometry, cell tower broadcasting, the number of users on the network, where the phone is being used (in an open field vs. a brick house), etc. No one has done anything but shown that they can make the bars 'go down" by holding it a certain way - not withstanding your assertions that holding it "short circuits the antennas and you lose reception." And they "signal lose" due to holding it is consistent with other phones in the field too.

Here's the IMPORTANT story (from http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2):
The Antenna is Improved
From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4 performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal is very low, at -113 dBm (1 bar). Previously, dropping this low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dBm as I have with the iPhone 4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS. The difference is that reception is massively better on the iPhone 4 in actual use.

But then they, like you, say Apple should give away bumpers or replace all existing handsets with ones with a coating - which is hard to understand (to me) if the iPhone 4's reception is better than the 3gs's. Isn't that the point of the upgrade - to have BETTER PHOEN CALLS on the NEWER PHONES? Well, Apple has done that.

Right now it's INTERNET HYSTERIA!!!!! Same shit happens in The Lesson hen The Roots release a new album and idiots say 'IT's SUCKS MORE THAN ANY ALBUM EVER" and then you respond to them and they post "STOP DICKRIDING." You sound like Riley on the Boondocks - and that's gay.








  

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163. "hehe"
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>
>You think the iPhone becomes unusable when you hold it (or
>hold it a certain way) but I don't find any real evidence of
>that anywhere, except comments on message boards.
>
>I've seen articles that say that the iPhone 4, if it was
>magically floating in the air, has better reception than it
>has when you hold it to your head, and/or hold it in a certain
>way. No articles from "reliable" sources indicate that they
>can reproduce dropping calls because of it - and they go
>further in saying that the call drop LESS on the new iPhone 4.
>("Reliable sources are established tech sites/blogs like Cnet,
>Anandtech, Engadget, The New York Times, etc.)
>
>Calls drop for many different reasons, like cell tower
>geometry, cell tower broadcasting, the number of users on the
>network, where the phone is being used (in an open field vs. a
>brick house), etc. No one has done anything but shown that
>they can make the bars 'go down" by holding it a certain way -
>not withstanding your assertions that holding it "short
>circuits the antennas and you lose reception." And they
>"signal lose" due to holding it is consistent with other
>phones in the field too.
>
>Here's the IMPORTANT story (from
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2):
>The Antenna is Improved
>From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4
>performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal
>is very low, at -113 dBm (1 bar). Previously, dropping this
>low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be
>placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can
>honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data
>simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dBm as I have with the iPhone
>4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is
>much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS. The
>difference is that reception is massively better on the iPhone
>4 in actual use.
>
>But then they, like you, say Apple should give away bumpers or
>replace all existing handsets with ones with a coating - which
>is hard to understand (to me) if the iPhone 4's reception is
>better than the 3gs's. Isn't that the point of the upgrade -
>to have BETTER PHOEN CALLS on the NEWER PHONES? Well, Apple
>has done that.
>
>Right now it's INTERNET HYSTERIA!!!!! Same shit happens in The
>Lesson hen The Roots release a new album and idiots say 'IT's
>SUCKS MORE THAN ANY ALBUM EVER" and then you respond to them
>and they post "STOP DICKRIDING." You sound like Riley on the
>Boondocks - and that's gay.
>

Dude, you're actually making up some alternate argument for me that is based on NOTHING i've said. I haven't said anything about them giving out free bumpers, or about comparisons to previous phones. If you want to regurgitate Apple's recent statement about the banal generalities of phone reception, you're wasting your own time.

All I have actually said is that releasing a software "fix" doesn't solve the actual problem. If this is their way of placating criticism and backlash, then it is stupid and makes no sense. People are complaining about calls dropping and losing reception. The logical response is NOT to release a software update that shows the reception more accurately, because what they have said is that often a phone shows 4 bars when really it's more like 1 or 2. So people "happy" with their phone's reception will be less so. People having reception issues will be even more pissed off. This is basic logic. But to fanboys and people who don't understand the issue will think it's a true fix and will go along with it, like you have.

If you're going to respond by constructing another argument against yourself then by all means go for it.

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164. "Suck it Trebeck"
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Sun Jul-04-10 10:33 PM by handle

          

>All I have actually said is that releasing a software "fix"
>doesn't solve the actual problem. If this is their way of
>placating criticism and backlash, then it is stupid and makes
>no sense. People are complaining about calls dropping and
>losing reception. The logical response is NOT to release a
>software update that shows the reception more accurately,
>because what they have said is that often a phone shows 4 bars
>when really it's more like 1 or 2. So people "happy" with
>their phone's reception will be less so. People having
>reception issues will be even more pissed off. This is basic
>logic. But to fanboys and people who don't understand the
>issue will think it's a true fix and will go along with it,
>like you have.
>
>If you're going to respond by constructing another argument
>against yourself then by all means go for it.

If the new iPhone drops calls less than the old iPhone - then WHERE IS THE PROBLEM?????

Again,. let me repeat - where is the problem they have to fix when the new phone makes better calls the the old phone???

Or - let me put it another way - IF THE NEW PHONE MAKES CALLS BETTER THAN THE OLD PHONE - WHERE IS THE PROBLEM TO FIX??

Please respond to at least one of those to show ME THE PROBLEM WHEN THE NEW PHONE MAKES CALLS BETTER THAN THE OLD PHONE, THE PROBLEM IS WHERE, AND HOW DO YOU THINK THEY SHOUDL FIX IT??

P.S.
Fuck you for calling em a FANBOY - Your Mother Is a Hamster and Your Father Smells of Elderberries!

And please tell me where the problem is IF THE NEW PHONE MAKES CALLS BETETR THAN THE OLD PHONE WHAT PROBLEM DO THEY NEED TO FIX??!?!?!?!!?!?!!?

  

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165. "RE: Suck it Trebeck"
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I can make a better call than the 3gs with two empty cans and a bit of string. Saying it's better than the 3gs is just dumb. ANYTHING is better than the 3gs for call quality. Hell, my first Motorola 10 years ago had better reception. Every single phone i've ever had has had better signal reception and call quality than the 3gs.

And yes, you are clearly a fanboy. Now go fuck your Steve Jobs embroidered pillow.

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166. "Embroidered pillow??"
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1)Since all we've heard of so far is a)The bar DISPLAY goes down when held a certain way 2)In low signal area holding the phone may drop a call (which is true of many cell phones), and since you've added nothing else - I guess there is no "PROBLEM" to "FIX"

Only thing people are saying here are that the bars go down and apple is a sucky, arrogant, stupid, greedy, fucked up, evil company and they make shitty everythings and they should refund everyone's money - and remanufacture the the phone - and get rid of the app store - and let porn be sold there - and dump AT&T, and BEG everyone for forgiveness and when it's not granted to disembowel themselves before jumping into a combine harvester - and stop being so arrogant as to wear a black shirt and black jeans all the time - the elitist fucks. And make everything cost 1 dollar. and if you disagree you are a dick rider.

2)Since there is no "ignore user" function on this board I'll do it manually.

P.S. If someone does some better analysis they may find a problem - that's possible - but it's not what's been discussed here. I'd like to see a LAB do a report where the control the cell tower side too.(So they can look at things like signal strength, number of users per tower, band frequency used, etc. And we've not really seen any real reports on data transfer speeds that makes sense yet either.)

  

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167. "so..."
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All these people are wrong?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkxdk9zpS98&feature=fvst

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-XdDgE7DbI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydVxwKJWGV0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PQyWp0mWE

or explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PQyWp0mWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuGi7odqV_c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdB-VkEpoC4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3igvCH2dE&feature=related

I could go on and on with this. I suppose all these people are part of some hater clan seeking to bring the whole operation down, because I know that when i've got some cash lying around I like to buy products just so I can find problems with them.

Don't worry, I know you take it to heart and that's ok. The software update will make it all better.

Everyone's allowed an opinion. Mine is based on a pretty logical set of facts and conclusions. Yours is based on the "facts" fed to you by Apple.

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168. "So FUCK YOU"
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>All these people are wrong?
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkxdk9zpS98&feature=fvst

DIDN'T MAKE A CALL. DIDN'T DROP A CALL. ONLY MADE THE BARS DISPLAY GO DOWN.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-XdDgE7DbI

DIDN'T MAKE A CALL. DIDN'T DROP A CALL. ONLY MADE THE BARS DISPLAY GO DOWN.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydVxwKJWGV0

DIDN'T MAKE A CALL. DIDN'T DROP A CALL. ONLY MADE THE BARS DISPLAY GO DOWN.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PQyWp0mWE

These guys actually made calls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

APPLE has said that the bar display right now is showing too many bars. So the iPhone 4 has at most 1 bar at anytime. So yes, when you have 1 bar and you hold the phone in a certain way you might drop a call. Just like many other cell phones.

This video ACTUALLY shows that. I'd call this anecdotal - but much stronger than the others you posted.

Low signal strenght + holding it a certain way can cause problem. need to have both of those conditions.

>or explain this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03PQyWp0mWE
Same video as above.

>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuGi7odqV_c&feature=related

DIDN'T MAKE A CALL. DIDN'T DROP A CALL. ONLY MADE THE BARS DISPLAY GO DOWN.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdB-VkEpoC4&feature=related

DIDN'T MAKE A CALL. DIDN'T DROP A CALL. ONLY MADE THE BARS DISPLAY GO DOWN.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3igvCH2dE&feature=related
He was in a conference room with 700+ Wi-Fi base stations. DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT?? And he was using WI-FI not 3G.


>I could go on and on with this. I suppose all these people are
>part of some hater clan seeking to bring the whole operation
>down, because I know that when i've got some cash lying around
>I like to buy products just so I can find problems with them.
>
>
>Don't worry, I know you take it to heart and that's ok. The
>software update will make it all better.
>
>Everyone's allowed an opinion. Mine is based on a pretty
>logical set of facts and conclusions. Yours is based on the
>"facts" fed to you by Apple.
>

Really? So you posted 8 links, and only one of those had anything to do with a problem. And that one was in a low signal area and dropped calls when held in the way that Apple does not recommend.

Seems like your "facts" don't match up to your shit-talking.

Here's what we know:

1)All iPhones are displaying too many bars at the moment. if you have 4 bars showing you may actually only have 2 "in real life."

2)If you hold the phone with your palm covering the bottom of it - and you have very low signal strength - you might drop a call. You provided a single example of this (twice.)

3)If you have bought an iPhone and are unhappy with it you can return it for a FULL refund.<-Seems like a good policy.

4)They sold 1.7 million phones and very few examples of dropping calls have been documented at thsi point. 1.7 million = 4657 man-YEARS-per-day.

5)Appel has never said that the software update is going to change the reception on the phone - only that it will display what they are calling a more accurate reading of your real signal.

See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGxENOp4XUQ

Honestly, talking to you is like talking to a tea-bagger - you might have a very very small point in a limited area - but you think democracy is being trampled because of it. And if I don't agree with you i'm a traitor to democracy - or a socialist (fanbot) - or something.








  

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171. "wow - taking this way too personally"
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Take a deep breath and repeat after me, "I am beautiful, the world is my oyster, Steve Jobs is my God, and I am always right". There, feel better?


You're so cute when you get defensive, but last time I checked Apple aren't hiring fanboys from hip hop forums. You've got nothing to prove here except pulling your dick out and having a wank over what you perceive as being the magnificence of your idiotic argument that completely misses the point.

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169. "that people can make the phone drop a call"
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by holding it a certain way, that didn't happen with previous iphones or other phones, has nothing to do with bars.

it does happen, it's a real thing, they're white washing with this press release.

I don't particularly give a shit about the issue, but it is what it is.

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170. "I don't see a lot of posts/evidence of this being a widespread problem"
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>by holding it a certain way, that didn't happen with previous
>iphones or other phones, has nothing to do with bars.
>
>it does happen, it's a real thing, they're white washing with
>this press release.
>
>I don't particularly give a shit about the issue, but it is
>what it is.
>
What I've seen posted has been about 99% that the bars displayed on the phone go down.

And I *DO* think the on most other GSM phones when you have a low signal you can get it to drop if you hold it in a way that blocks the antenna.

Users have reported similar issue with the nexus One - but because the display of bars didn't wildly change they didn't have the same sense of Internet hysteria.

Examples of Nexus one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g&feature=player_embedded <-Video from February

http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-tech-issues-bug-reports/3070-holding-right-side-phone-loses-bars-2.html <-March 2010

http://www.nexusoneforum.net/forum/nexus-one-tech-issues-bug-reports/4840-connection-problem-when-holding-phone.html <-April 2010



  

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172. "ok now you're just a liar and a fanboy"
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congratulations.

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173. "LIAR? back that up"
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I've been reading the internets , scouring for this WIDESPREAD DROPPED CALLS phenomenon and I haven't seen reports of it *actually* happening.

Can you point me to some to reliable - or semi-reliable new sources that say this iPhone 4 drops calls (not makes the bar display go lower) more frequently than the iPhone 3gs?

Am I lying when I say that phones with low-signal sometimes drop calls when held in certain ways??


Tell me what I'm lying about???

  

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174. "you're a liar, and a fanboy."
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you're lying. i didn't say it always drops calls more frequently than the previous iphones. in fact, i've already said many report it keeps signal better.

but the specific phenomena i mentioned has been widely reported and proved, and has nothing to do with bar display.

you're trying to redefine the convo to justify your fanboyism.

good luck with that.

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175. "REPORTED??? WTF DOES THAT MEAN??"
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>you're lying. i didn't say it always drops calls more
>frequently than the previous iphones. in fact, i've already
>said many report it keeps signal better.
>
>but the specific phenomena i mentioned has been widely
>reported and proved, and has nothing to do with bar display.
>
>you're trying to redefine the convo to justify your
>fanboyism.
>
>good luck with that.
>
>http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

There's reported and then there's REPORTED - because ENGADGET REPORTS this:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/some-iphone-4-models-see-signals-drop-to-0-when-held-left-handed/

Headline: Some iPhone 4 models dropping calls when held left-handed, including ours (Update: Apple responds)

In the article Engadget says it happened to them *twice* - but provides no other details. If it's because the phone is in a low signal area then holding it a certain way can cause the call to disconnect - it just like MANY OTHER PHONES.

I also like how Engadget posts a video NOT SHOWING a call being dropped and then links to the same video as Zion did.

Here's an idea for a story: Why don't you (or someone at Engadet) do a story that can be reproduced by a wide range of people? Describe a protocol for the test and have people share their results.

Then you could use that data to make a REPORT that means something.

I have a feeling the report will end up like this:
1)The iPhone 4 beats the iPhone 3gs.
2)In strong signal areas holding the iPhone in any way has little/no effect.
3)In low signal areas holding the iPhone is a certain way can make a call drop because it blocks the last bit of low signal because your hand/flesh/water is blocking the signal, or somehow otherwise "detunes" the RF reception.

Then - to make it relevant - perform the same type of test on many models of phones and compare results. (And look at those phone manuals and see if there is a non-recommended way of holding the phone - and hold it that way. You guys must have 10-60 phones to use.)

And if you could perform it in the field and in a lab then the results would be even more trustworthy. (Might mean a field trip to somewhere with a big Faraday chamber and a cell tower - Mythbuster's style.)

This will *likely* turn out to be a very small problem - but on these internets anyone advocating for more stringent reporting is being called a fanboi and a LIAR??

And hey, if you can verify it's a real and significant problem then all those other blogs not doing real reporting will link to you!! == profit!! I see a Good morning America segment in someone's future if they do this test.

And fuck you and your journalism UNLESS and UNTIL you REPORT on the issue in a manner that can be replicated - and not just as a throw away line in a blog entry.

  

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177. "you are a liar. and a fanboy."
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178. "Engadget doesn't have resources to do reporting?"
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TUAW has a better staff?

Create some content over there guys - you might get linked too.

  

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179. "see my last post. liar. fanboy."
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181. "let's quote (asshole, you're now an asshole)"
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>but the specific phenomena i mentioned has been widely reported and proved, and has nothing to do with bar display.

I think by "report" we mean two different things.

Do you mean someone *with the phone* tells of a problem in which the "specific phenomenon" is described as to be happening (which I could find maybe 8 "reports" of it actually happening to people that did not just mention the bar display) , and that they could describe a way to make it repeatably happen?

Or do you mean the hundreds of "reports" that Engadget, Cnet, AppleInsider, iLounge/etc that just says someone read one of those 8 first hand reports and then posted a blog entry about it which then spawned a frothy "2 minutes of hate" type of reaction from hundreds of Apple detractors - and not many FIRST HAND reports from other users.

It's an echo chamber at this point with maybe 10 articles examining it vs. 1.7 million (or more) iPhones that have shipped. I'd think a "widespread" phenomenon would be, say .5% (one half on one percent) or 8500 first hand reports. Hell even if 10% of the .5% people who have the iPhone reported the problem it'd be 850 first hand reports.

What *is* WIDELY reported is that you can make the bar display go down.

You'd think that by reading the blogs or watching TV, or reading the LA Times that Apple was selling an unusable devices - and they are doing so fraudulently and with malice.

And what do you mean by "specific phenomena i mentioned has been widely reported and proved,"?

PROVED? You mean a few anecdotal accounts (a few with evidence, some without.) WHY DOENS'T ENGADGET TEST IT MORE THAN JUST HAVE A UK EDITOR SAY THAT HE'S DROPPED A COUPLE OF CALL WHEN HOLDING IT A CERTAIN WAY?

Apple has said (as have other cell phone makers) than covering the antenna maybe detune the antenna and cause signal loss.)

So far I think Consumer Reports has handled this much better than any other publication:
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/2010/07/apple-iphone-4-antenna-problems-dropped-calls-att-signals-bars-os-software-bugs-glitches-os-os4-iphone4-reception-problems-in.html

Someone needs to do some goddamned INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM on this one. You could get to the bottom of it and draw some conclusions based on evidence. Imagine that?????

I guess Engadget is too busy to assign someone to do some testing, or at Engadget "reporting" must mean just coping/pasting links to other "reports"??

if your reply is less than 20 words I'll take it as a "report."

  

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183. "you know what, I was wrong."
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you're taking an incredibly even handed look at this. thank god you've decipher....wait, yeah, I was right. you're a liar and a fanboy.

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still isn't shipping until july 14th...UGH

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176. "Some evidence"
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http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/06/video-evidence-of-the-iphone-4-death-grip-this-time-with-real/

Interestingly enough she did not attempt to make a call, stay on a call , or use the 3G cellular network. Also she didn't show what happens if you hold the phone in any other manner.

And she didn't write an App for older iPhones or for Android phones, or other phones.

But the attenuation problem Apple says exists (IE, Don't hold the phone that way) is demonstrated. And it has not yet been compared to older models and/or a wide range of other phones.

  

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180. "i think the anandtech article pretty much tells the whole story"
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1 - you can attenuate the antenna with your hands

2 - it can adversely affect your network connection

3 - the same thing happens to other phones (by roughly the same amount)

4 - the new baseband software means that when the quality of signal is really low the new iphone does a much better job of staying connected, which means a much better user experience in the real world compared to the 3g and 3gs.

the author's conclusion is that apple should shell out for bumpers for everyone, and i'm pretty sure they could given how cheap they must be to produce.

  

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182. "Anand's review is the best out there..."
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it's detailed and insightful.

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this shit is insanely different from my 3G.

The offspring :-D

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185. "how so"
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>this shit is insanely different from my 3G.

  

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even 3GS wasn't this type of a jump and the speed + display are perfection personified.

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187. "Finally copped one"
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Sold the 3g
Copped 2 iphone 4
can't wait for the jailbreak
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http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100913-715014.html

UPDATE: Consumer Reports Still Doesn't Recommend Apple's IPhone 4


(Updates with Apple declining to comment)


By Ian Sherr
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES


SAN FRANCSICO (Dow Jones)--Consumer Reports magazine has reiterated it cannot recommend Apple Inc.'s (AAPL) iPhone 4, saying a flaw in the device's antenna design causes it to lose reception when held a certain way.

The findings echo statements the influential product-review magazine made earlier this summer, when it said Apple needs to come up with a free and permanent fix before the phone can be recommended.

At the time, Apple said it was stunned and embarrassed by the magazine's conclusion. It later offered free cases to customers, though that offer will end on Sept. 30.

Apple declined to comment on the magazine's new statement.

"Putting the onus on any owners of a product to obtain a remedy to a design flaw is not acceptable to us," Consumer Reports wrote in a Monday blog post to its website. "We therefore continue not to recommend the iPhone 4, and call on Apple to provide a permanent fix for the phone's reception issues."

Apple shares closed up 1.4% at $267.04.



-By Ian Sherr, Dow Jones Newswires; 415-439-6455; ian.sherr@dowjones.com

(Yukari Iwatani Kane contributed to this article.)

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189. "Hella late, but I got one"
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I was hoping to hold on to my 3GS until the iPhone 5, but the battery life was just crap after a year and seven months of constant use. It died on me the last two times I went to New York which I can't deal with because I depend on the phone up there. I was thinking about getting the Nexus S, but a friend of mine who has one said the battery is worse than his 3GS was.

I ended up selling the 3GS and my DSi+a few games at a CEX and got $400 for the pair. I used to that get a 32 GB that was $600.


So, bright side, I got an iPhone 4 for $200 out of contract when all is said and done. Crap side, I know I'm gonna want to shell out for an iPhone 5 if they put 64 GBs in it (mine is filled up).

Also, I cut my old SIM down to micro SIM size with scissors. I didn't think it would work but it did.

  

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190. "Cowabunga."
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192. "i def wouldnt have tried the sim card ish..gangsta"
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191. "I'm loving this phone"
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It's been over a year since the iPhone4 dropped and I gotta say it's probably my favorite electronic gadget that I've ever owned.

  

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