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"you saw this coming...it's the iPhone OS 4 post!"
Mon Apr-05-10 11:44 AM by jetblack

  

          

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/apple-holding-iphone-os-4-event-april-8th/

Yes folks -- the world is turning upside down. Apple has announced an iPhone OS 4 event on April 8th at 10AM PT for a "sneak peek of the next generation of iPhone OS software." So if you're wondering about the future of the platform... your answers will appear sooner than you think. The team collectively dropped an "OMG" when we saw this news, as it's pretty unusual to see such a big event coming from Apple right on the heels of something like the iPad launch. Of course we'll be there -- at Apple's Infinite Loop campus in Cupertino -- live and direct, providing the liveblogging coverage you know and love.

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remember last time when you predicted iphone nano?
Apr 05th 2010
1
LOL yeah. I was totally wrong.
Apr 05th 2010
2
      List out your predictions for this year, por favor.
Apr 05th 2010
17
           1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)
Apr 05th 2010
22
                video ichat wont happen til 4g/wimax/lte version
Apr 05th 2010
23
                they'll discuss it without discussing it
Apr 05th 2010
25
                RE: 1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)
Apr 08th 2010
190
                     I wouldn't call folders a drastic UI change
Apr 08th 2010
231
                     video ichat is coming
Apr 27th 2010
338
I can see it now
Apr 05th 2010
3
^That's what I talking about.
Apr 05th 2010
4
That sounds absolutely magical.
Apr 05th 2010
5
Sure is.
Apr 05th 2010
7
i came.
Apr 05th 2010
6
iSAW
Apr 08th 2010
129
from a business aspect you've GOT to respect it
Apr 05th 2010
9
*Scott Forestall Crazy Eyes*
Apr 05th 2010
26
      I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr
Apr 06th 2010
29
           co-sign on his flikr being sick
Apr 06th 2010
30
           lol thanks
Apr 06th 2010
38
           thanks
Apr 06th 2010
37
           RE: I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr
Apr 11th 2010
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The Dutch Rudder?
Apr 05th 2010
11
So if I go I can get a handjob from a REAL stranger, and not just me pre...
Apr 06th 2010
32
When does Apple announce a new iPhone?
Apr 05th 2010
8
Ive got a feeling they are on a two year cycle
Apr 05th 2010
10
they punted last year though
Apr 05th 2010
13
      they *HAVE* to updgrade that screen.
Apr 06th 2010
65
seems like every june.
Apr 05th 2010
12
gotta keep the developers salivating
Apr 05th 2010
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      DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!
Apr 05th 2010
15
probably every year
Apr 05th 2010
18
they late as a mug this year.
Apr 05th 2010
16
not really...just by a month from last year
Apr 05th 2010
19
      a month is LATE, J.B.
Apr 06th 2010
49
           either way it's happening on Thursday.
Apr 06th 2010
51
to call it ahead of time... yes u can has multitasking
Apr 05th 2010
20
kthxbai.
Apr 05th 2010
21
lol @ webOS
Apr 05th 2010
24
      nah someone will acquire it and dump the rest
Apr 05th 2010
27
      it's tear jerking - such a beautiful OS with a company full of fail...
Apr 05th 2010
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      lol @ you
Apr 06th 2010
31
           yeah, you're probably right
Apr 06th 2010
33
                hahahahaha
Apr 06th 2010
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                The thing is, as it stands on the user side
Apr 06th 2010
35
                Who? Sony?
Apr 06th 2010
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                Anybody
Apr 06th 2010
40
                but does a marginally better user experience sell phones?
Apr 06th 2010
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                     Cellphones are a fickle market
Apr 06th 2010
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                          could you give me a couple of examples of how android's better?
Apr 06th 2010
44
                               How about runnin an app in the background
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    you could always go back.
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    I shouldn't have to though
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    + social networking integration (best on HTC Sense for Android)
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    OK
Apr 06th 2010
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                                    i'd like to have that too
Apr 06th 2010
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                                         hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Apr 08th 2010
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                                              you can't be serious
Apr 08th 2010
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                                                   TOLD YOU BITCH. no multitasking for 3G iphone
Apr 08th 2010
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                                                        who gives a flying fuck?
Apr 08th 2010
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                                                             to a fanboy? everything is explainable.
Apr 08th 2010
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                ....and now we get to the part where
Apr 06th 2010
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                     it has no games (c) rjcc
Apr 06th 2010
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                          I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Apr 06th 2010
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                               oh, sorry
Apr 06th 2010
46
                                    my bad, I was in the way of you making shit up
Apr 06th 2010
47
                                         i feel truly moderated
Apr 06th 2010
55
Sorry but the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone
Apr 06th 2010
54
Then why upgrade the OS at all?
Apr 06th 2010
61
it's not important till steve says it is remember
Apr 06th 2010
62
Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter"
Apr 06th 2010
66
      Running Aim and Gchat doesn't bring a blackberry to it's knees
Apr 06th 2010
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      NOPE!! IPHONE MORE POPULAR!!!!
Apr 07th 2010
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      you keep wanting to believe you have a ferarri when it's a scooter
Apr 06th 2010
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      RE: Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter"
Apr 06th 2010
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           I know you're smart enough to see the errors in your argument but...
Apr 07th 2010
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                Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourself.
Apr 07th 2010
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                     RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse...
Apr 07th 2010
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                          I love how you lie about shit like
Apr 07th 2010
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                          last i checked
Apr 07th 2010
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                               1. you're an iphone fanboy and a liar
Apr 07th 2010
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                                    You antagonize everything popular.
Apr 07th 2010
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                                         you're a liar because none of those things are or were true
Apr 07th 2010
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                          RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse...
Apr 07th 2010
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I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing...
Apr 06th 2010
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      RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing...
Apr 06th 2010
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           3D graphing calculator?
Apr 06th 2010
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           econ grad student
Apr 06th 2010
75
                Ah, cool.
Apr 07th 2010
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                     what's a fingerprint sphere, btw?
Apr 07th 2010
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                          Ha, it's actually surprisingly technical.
Apr 07th 2010
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                               cool!
Apr 07th 2010
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           RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing...
Apr 10th 2010
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                it's not just about handling it though
Apr 13th 2010
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what if adkit is their big announcement?
Apr 06th 2010
56
bet?
Apr 06th 2010
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oh I don't think it will be.
Apr 06th 2010
58
      while I cry myself to sleep that night
Apr 07th 2010
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      appreciate it.
Apr 07th 2010
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"So our seventh tent pole is called... iAd"
Apr 08th 2010
140
any chance of Apple adding a real UI?
Apr 06th 2010
64
you know windows phone 7 won't have copy/paste, right?
Apr 06th 2010
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      lol
Apr 06th 2010
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           whatever, chief
Apr 06th 2010
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I love reading the iPhone bashing posts
Apr 07th 2010
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who specifically is bashing the iphone
Apr 07th 2010
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lets start with this
Apr 13th 2010
287
      so, you think that's bashing and not true?
Apr 13th 2010
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           explain how its not bashing
Apr 13th 2010
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                if it's true, it's not bashing
Apr 13th 2010
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                     minimizing a major impact on an industry = bashing
Apr 13th 2010
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                          dude, you're upset because other people aren't as impressed as you
Apr 13th 2010
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                               sounds like you are butthurt
Apr 13th 2010
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                                    lol. ok. turn it around, i'm upset
Apr 13th 2010
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                                         where did i say i have a problem?
Apr 13th 2010
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the iphone is the most influential mobile phone period
Apr 07th 2010
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The only thing that will help the consumer..
Apr 07th 2010
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      it's almost the norm here
Apr 07th 2010
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      doubt it
Apr 07th 2010
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its not really bashing
Apr 07th 2010
94
no more get a mac ads?
Apr 08th 2010
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those ads only worked when niggas didn't have macs
Apr 08th 2010
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it's an ad.
Apr 08th 2010
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IT'S ABOUT TIME.
Apr 08th 2010
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      Jeff Goldbloom is coming back (swipe)
Apr 08th 2010
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           I was finna say; they that desperate?
Apr 08th 2010
107
                Wall-e in commercials?
Apr 08th 2010
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Liveblogs:
Apr 08th 2010
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"MULTI-TASKING"
Apr 08th 2010
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Maybe they kidnapped the Backgrounder devs and threw them
Apr 08th 2010
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Im surprised. I figured if that was the case
Apr 08th 2010
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      t'wasn't ready yet.
Apr 08th 2010
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           It's only two months away
Apr 08th 2010
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edit. nope.
Apr 08th 2010
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Uh oh Applers! It's gonna kill yer batteries and leak yer memory!
Apr 08th 2010
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      here come the 180s.
Apr 08th 2010
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      Or they'll say "Now there's NO reason not to use an iphone."
Apr 08th 2010
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      yup. and if you argue against it they'll bring the "silent majority"
Apr 08th 2010
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      lol.
Apr 08th 2010
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      It may just be me
Apr 08th 2010
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           apparently they're only allowing seven apis to run in the
Apr 08th 2010
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           Yeah, it looks like they're mostly geared for specific uses
Apr 08th 2010
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           OK, fast app switching is #7. I'm good.
Apr 08th 2010
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           Um. What?
Apr 08th 2010
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                My question is, if you can fast switch back to the application
Apr 08th 2010
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                     I think the question/answer was a bit unclear.
Apr 08th 2010
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           The skype stuff is cool tho'
Apr 08th 2010
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cell location only in the background? fail
Apr 08th 2010
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they can use GPS for apps like turn by turn if they wish
Apr 08th 2010
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Folders. bout time.
Apr 08th 2010
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^^
Apr 08th 2010
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CATEGO--er, folders!
Apr 08th 2010
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Folders...
Apr 08th 2010
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uh, yeah. lol
Apr 08th 2010
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Apple is taking such a gigantic L
Apr 08th 2010
134
Enhanced Mail (pause) aka "Unified Inbox"
Apr 08th 2010
133
Headline: Apple Give free Pooh. Again.
Apr 08th 2010
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doesn't Disney own almost all the rights to Pooh now?
Apr 08th 2010
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      nope Licensed from A. A. Milne's estate.
Apr 08th 2010
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           Oh. I thought they sold.
Apr 08th 2010
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                *checks wiki*..still licensed
Apr 08th 2010
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Social Gaming Network.
Apr 08th 2010
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Hmm.. Apple's own Xbox Live? Touche, Jobs. Touche.
Apr 08th 2010
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it's ambitious and could really work for them
Apr 08th 2010
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All I'm seeing is Street Fighter 4 online MP anywhere.
Apr 08th 2010
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I agree. I feel like this is the most important announcement
Apr 08th 2010
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Yeah that was their best idea yet.
Apr 08th 2010
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      you sir use irony like a katana.
Apr 08th 2010
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           I'm serious lol.
Apr 08th 2010
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                Oh wait, I guess they did kinda rip off xbox live.
Apr 08th 2010
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                     Yup. but i'm ok with it this time since MS slept on the mobile
Apr 08th 2010
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                          xbox live anywhere?
Apr 08th 2010
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                               They might pull it off
Apr 09th 2010
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Leaderboards..Acheivements... (rjcc in 3,2...)
Apr 08th 2010
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iAd. Uh oh.
Apr 08th 2010
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good for advertisers. bad for everyone else.
Apr 08th 2010
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Btw, the more I think of it, this IAd is shots at the Google
Apr 08th 2010
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app lockin
Apr 08th 2010
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In theory it's a sound advertising implementation
Apr 08th 2010
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Also cue the Xzibit "Apps inside of apps" gif.
Apr 08th 2010
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thank god that Apple patented this garbage.
Apr 08th 2010
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      ha. nm
Apr 08th 2010
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good for everyone if companies invest heavily in app development
Apr 08th 2010
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I just imagine it now...
Apr 08th 2010
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Baby Gap has better clothes
Apr 08th 2010
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you like them 19 year olds huh
Apr 08th 2010
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      you peeped that too? reg out there jerkin at the new boyz concert
Apr 08th 2010
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this leaves Google/AdMob kinda dead in the water
Apr 08th 2010
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YAY. A POPUP ADVERTISEMENT API!
Apr 08th 2010
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no popovers...
Apr 08th 2010
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i better be able to turn that ish off
Apr 08th 2010
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      yeah gimmie a toggle.
Apr 08th 2010
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      With Apple taking 40% of advertising? Good luck, homies. lol
Apr 08th 2010
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      just don't click on the banner ads and they won't pop up.
Apr 15th 2010
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Damn, sorry L_O_Quent
Apr 08th 2010
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Crap. I just saw this. Sorry homie
Apr 08th 2010
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actually nope, I just a read a shitload about it
Apr 08th 2010
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      That's good to hear.
Apr 08th 2010
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      good to hear man. n/m
Apr 08th 2010
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           thanks but it's still a headache
Apr 09th 2010
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wait, was that a shameless plug for Toy Story 3? smh.
Apr 08th 2010
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yes it was.
Apr 08th 2010
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Arright, somebody pull up photoshop. I'm too lazy.
Apr 08th 2010
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Too easy. lol
Apr 08th 2010
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oh noes LMFAO
Apr 08th 2010
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done.
Apr 08th 2010
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      Perfect. Thanks.
Apr 08th 2010
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iPad OS 4.0 in fall. Awful long wait.
Apr 08th 2010
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Wait... will the update be free?
Apr 08th 2010
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From what I read: 1 free update for iPads
Apr 08th 2010
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      Ah Ok cool... it's a long wait but at least its free
Apr 08th 2010
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           its free cause they knew they were annoucing 4 so closely
Apr 08th 2010
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they said it was a 'preview' and I personally
Apr 08th 2010
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OS 4 is for recent devices only:
Apr 08th 2010
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I love the smell of fragmentation in the morning.
Apr 08th 2010
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you had to know that shit was gonna happen.
Apr 08th 2010
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yeah
Apr 08th 2010
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that effin sucks since i have a 3g
Apr 08th 2010
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      thats pretty much the idea behind it
Apr 08th 2010
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I am absolutely appalled at the lack of a notification update
Apr 08th 2010
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LOL so u still cant multi-task with IM/Facebook/Twitter??
Apr 08th 2010
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Yeah. Because Push notifications works so well.
Apr 08th 2010
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how specifically are you suggesting this should have been
Apr 08th 2010
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      at the very least, it should be as seamless as push email.
Apr 08th 2010
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           menu bar notifications would be nice
Apr 08th 2010
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                correct me if I'm wrong
Apr 08th 2010
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                     RE: correct me if I'm wrong
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ANDROID IS PEDDLING PORN TO OUR CHILDREN!
Apr 08th 2010
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dirrrty
Apr 08th 2010
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Interesting
Apr 08th 2010
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lmao. RDF in full effect!
Apr 08th 2010
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^proving my second point constantly
Apr 08th 2010
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      these features are improvements over the current iPhone OS, no?
Apr 08th 2010
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                that's because the critics are often right.
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what possible reasoning leads you to believe
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      Why not just get a phone with those features?
Apr 08th 2010
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           I won't. but it's not because of the iPhone itself as much
Apr 08th 2010
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           thanks for showing your roots
Apr 08th 2010
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Apr 08th 2010
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                     lol. you can't say "they did it to appease the haters"
Apr 08th 2010
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                          I'm sorry, the haters and the many people who
Apr 08th 2010
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                               lol. you just don't know shit about what people want
Apr 08th 2010
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                                    So you're gonna buy an iPhone then now that the fixed it?
Apr 09th 2010
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                                         is that what I said or implied in any way?
Apr 09th 2010
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                                              Are you getting an iPhone now?
Apr 09th 2010
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To be honest
Apr 08th 2010
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cosign alladat
Apr 08th 2010
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well, duh. this makes the ipad almost usable
Apr 08th 2010
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      No, I agree
Apr 08th 2010
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Here's my unsubstantiated hate bomb for this thread:
Apr 08th 2010
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Shit, that's not hate. That's probably exactly right.
Apr 08th 2010
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So, I give it a week before Im able to dl it off the torrents?
Apr 08th 2010
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it verifies itself, I dunno if that can be gotten around
Apr 08th 2010
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oh. so, what's the deal with these 1,500 new API's for developers?
Apr 08th 2010
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here.
Apr 08th 2010
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What does multitasking look like?
Apr 08th 2010
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so it knows when to quit background apps?
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for what it's worth, that's how Android works.
Apr 08th 2010
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      can you force quit things?
Apr 08th 2010
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           Yes, according to this Endgaget video:
Apr 08th 2010
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           yeah there's an option to do it.
Apr 08th 2010
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the video is up on apple.com and itunes.
Apr 08th 2010
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...and now they've banned a bunch of 3rd part dev tools.
Apr 08th 2010
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yeah THAT'S fucked up.
Apr 08th 2010
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wooooooooow
Apr 08th 2010
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NGCCOTPBJ.
Apr 08th 2010
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makes perfect sense from a business perspective
Apr 09th 2010
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Huh?
Apr 09th 2010
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      adobe are creating a feature to build multi-platform apps
Apr 09th 2010
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           Nah, its retarded
Apr 09th 2010
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                RE: Nah, its retarded
Apr 09th 2010
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                     They don't hold all the cards though
Apr 09th 2010
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                          basically apple is saying they think they can't be fucked with
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                          it would hurt Adobe more than Apple, so they wont do it
Apr 09th 2010
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                               Disagree on that Apple vs Adobe scenario
Apr 09th 2010
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Ice cold. The line in the grove have been drawn.
Apr 09th 2010
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iphone is not the most popular platform ever.
Apr 09th 2010
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      you left out the adjective, 'mobile'.
Apr 09th 2010
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           still, I think you're wrong. go ahead and post up some stats.
Apr 09th 2010
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           im pretty sure its symbian. and by a longshot
Apr 11th 2010
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Apple's going to end up losing this mobile device war
Apr 09th 2010
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this.
Apr 09th 2010
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      Mark my words; by 2020, Android will be ubiquitous
Apr 09th 2010
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           By 2020? Shit
Apr 09th 2010
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           Android will eclipse iPhone OS by 2015 easily
Apr 09th 2010
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           nobody's making money on the android store
Apr 09th 2010
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                well, can't someone sue or something?
Apr 10th 2010
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                     they're gonna try (swipe)
Apr 13th 2010
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related to multitasking (swipe)
Apr 09th 2010
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bullshit.
Apr 09th 2010
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RE: bullshit.
Apr 09th 2010
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      when I say legacy I mean compatible witht he OG iphones
Apr 10th 2010
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some dev will probably test this MythBuster's style
Apr 09th 2010
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background info on the Adobe/Apple relationship
Apr 11th 2010
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many, if not most, Adobe employees use Macs
Apr 11th 2010
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      but that's neither here nor there
Apr 11th 2010
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daniel eran dilger brings the heat (swipe)
Apr 11th 2010
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      do you know what a strawman is?
Apr 13th 2010
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      people in this post are trying to make these points
Apr 13th 2010
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      well if someone on the internet said something vaguely like it
Apr 13th 2010
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           ahem... 'Proponents of Adobe Flash insist that...'
Apr 13th 2010
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                who is a "proponent of flash" find this person.
Apr 13th 2010
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                     you're reading way into the article
Apr 13th 2010
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                          also defined as "reading it at all"
Apr 13th 2010
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      Like Zozobra
Apr 13th 2010
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      and lo, daniel eran dilger wrote a new article, and it was good (swipe)
Apr 14th 2010
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           it's good for everyone when apple's a dick
Apr 14th 2010
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           This is hysterical.
Apr 14th 2010
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                weren'tTunes and Final Cut Pro Carbon until '08/'09?
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                     they both still are.
Apr 14th 2010
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Opera Mini is live.
Apr 13th 2010
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So yeah...allegedly Adobe's gonna sue (swipe)
Apr 13th 2010
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"this gon be gooooooooooooood" (c) old lady from Princess & The Frog
Apr 13th 2010
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Mama Odie.
Apr 13th 2010
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this should read
Apr 13th 2010
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doesn't matter. Every major smartphone company
Apr 13th 2010
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      iphone still dominates mobile web traffic
Apr 13th 2010
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           that traffic includes iPod touch too.
Apr 13th 2010
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are they fuck.
Apr 14th 2010
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Having done a side by side comparison ....
Apr 14th 2010
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thanks for telling us why
Apr 14th 2010
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Apr 15th 2010
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one of the commenters read it as prohibitng the acquestion
Apr 15th 2010
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just realized Apple's long-term game plan here
Apr 27th 2010
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...
Apr 27th 2010
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writing good apps in Flash and Java IS the problem
Apr 27th 2010
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you can't stop crapware really.
Apr 27th 2010
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it's not so much the crap, its more the flood/noise
Apr 27th 2010
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      unannounced?
Apr 27th 2010
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           i'm talking about the cross-compiler
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                http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/01/building_ipad_apps.html
Apr 27th 2010
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                     Yes but when did they announce the Android 'Packager'? n/m
Apr 27th 2010
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                          have they ever announced it?
Apr 27th 2010
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                               AIR is not as good as what an Android packager would be
Apr 27th 2010
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you're not just dumb, you're delirious
Apr 27th 2010
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      team Apple needs to change its tune as other app stores catch up in size
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           the quality is getting better.
Apr 27th 2010
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           I'm salty about Android apps not working on all* Android phones tho
Apr 27th 2010
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                iTunes is the same way. So is Amazon.
Apr 27th 2010
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Nopayne
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1. "remember last time when you predicted iphone nano? "
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And a phone based on intel's atom platform?

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jetblack
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2. "LOL yeah. I was totally wrong."
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This is just a preview of what will be released @ WWDC 2010.
I got a New Horizons class on that day so best believe I'll have a tab or two open for the live bloggery.

Bring your BEST hate.

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Nopayne
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17. "List out your predictions for this year, por favor."
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22. "1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)"
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2. Wireless sync (wifi/bt) with Mac or PC.
3. Wireless file sharing w/o the use of 3rd party apps.
4. Speech to Text across all apps.
5. Video iChat
6. a drastic left field UI change that will piss a lot of people off.
7. New gestures, 3 finger 'grab' gestures, 'shape' gestures.
8. Printing over wifi and Bluetooth
9. 3D, since everything is or is going to be 3D.
10. Power over wifi on some Nikola Tesla ish. iTunes ad sparked this...

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23. "video ichat wont happen til 4g/wimax/lte version"
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..|.,

If you still don't know what Jade Typhoon is, click here:
http://jadetyphoon.blogspot.com/ (WS)

  

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25. "they'll discuss it without discussing it"
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190. "RE: 1. Multitasking, up to 4 applications (2 Apple, 2 3rd Party)"
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Right

>2. Wireless sync (wifi/bt) with Mac or PC.

Wrong

>3. Wireless file sharing w/o the use of 3rd party apps.

Wrong.

>4. Speech to Text across all apps.

Wrong.

>5. Video iChat

very wrong.

>6. a drastic left field UI change that will piss a lot of
>people off.

Right. Folders.

>7. New gestures, 3 finger 'grab' gestures, 'shape' gestures.

Wrong.

>8. Printing over wifi and Bluetooth

Wrong.

>9. 3D, since everything is or is going to be 3D.

Wrong. Thank the lawd.

>10. Power over wifi on some Nikola Tesla ish. iTunes ad
>sparked this...

Very wrong.
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231. "I wouldn't call folders a drastic UI change"
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or left field.

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338. "video ichat is coming"
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obviously.

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3. "I can see it now"
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Someone from apple gets on the stage looking really smug sprouting off statistics on iphone sales and now ipad sales.

He probably says something like 'The consumers have chosen, and they have chosen Apple.'

The crowd cheers, and the Ifans start masturbating each other in the crowd.

Then he says something like 'But we aren't resting on our laurels. Oh no. We have new things to show you.'

Then they show you features that Android, PalmOs and maybe even the Blackberry already had. But it's said in a way to illicit some ooh's and ahh's from the crowd to make it look like they are doing something big.

Then they hit you with the 'It's the most complex portable operating system in not only the galaxy, but in our entire dimension.'

Then they give more meaningless stats and claims, before we realize, once again:

STILL NO MULTITASKING!
STILL NO FLASH!
STILL VAGUE RESTRICTIONS ON THE ITUNES STORE KEEPING THE MONOPOLY IN CHECK.

  

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4. "^That's what I talking about."
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grade A.

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5. "That sounds absolutely magical."
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7. "Sure is. "
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I'm replying from unicorn tears.

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6. "i came."
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________
"2ndly u think FAMILY and niggas i done grew up wit for 20+ years
gon let some random nigga
show up and whup my ass on my block
and hop in his corolla and pull off?" spm

  

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129. "iSAW"
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________________________________
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http://soundcloud.com/relativeviscosity
http://twitter.com/Relative_Visc
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9. "from a business aspect you've GOT to respect it"
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there is no one in their class whatsoever when it comes to knowing how to build up hype before and after an announcement. At this point they have already had announcements that they're going to have an announcement and it's made front page news, that's some ill shit.

The offspring :-D

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26. "*Scott Forestall Crazy Eyes*"
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29. "I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr"
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maaaaan......listen....

I hope you already got a down payment on your shotgun.

Beautiful family, family.

D

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

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30. "co-sign on his flikr being sick"
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The offspring :-D

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38. "lol thanks"
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37. "thanks"
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yeah she's a handful and the pictures don't do her justice.
My baby is the most beautiful child on Earth...lol
All parents say that huh...but in her case it's TRUE! LOL

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282. "RE: I just posted to say I been mesmerized by yo flickr"
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ditto

- - - Begin Sig. - - -

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is that little voice at the end of the day that says, 'I'll try again tomorrow.'" ~ ~ Anne Radmacher

  

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11. "The Dutch Rudder?"
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>The crowd cheers, and the Ifans start masturbating each other
>in the crowd.

____________
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SC: rulerofmyself17

Yes! She's on the drugs. (c) BoHagon

  

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32. "So if I go I can get a handjob from a REAL stranger, and not just me pre..."
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I LOVE APPLE!!!

"I don't have to squeeze just to appease your dream." Lady Miss Kier

  

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8. "When does Apple announce a new iPhone?"
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With HTC coming out with, spec wise, a major phone this year (EVO 4G), I can't imagine Apple doesn't drop a major upgrade to the iPhone to compete. At least an answer to some of the items the Android software has brought to the table.

https://digife.com

  

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10. "Ive got a feeling they are on a two year cycle"
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as far as processor/memory upgrades are concerned. I figure them doing something minor like improving the camera making the form factor a bit slimmer, etc/;they've got such a comfortable lead and the tech isn't that far behind that they can just sit pretty until next June and release a major hardware revision.

  

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13. "they punted last year though"
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the 3GS wasn't much of an improvement over the 3G and it's already showing its age.

They're gonna have to fragment their platform (even more) and come up with some new shit that older phones can't support if they want to stay competitive.

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65. "they *HAVE* to updgrade that screen."
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3GS just looks so small and shitty next to the new HTC phones coming out...and next to the iPad, ironically enough.

  

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12. "seems like every june."
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14. "gotta keep the developers salivating"
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but there is nothing wrong with being odd. i mean you arent inkast or adwhizz odd. - VABestBBW
Binlahab is a bitch.
I wouldn't trust okp, some of them don't even get any anymore since the Re's stopped - Anonymous OKP

  

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15. "DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!"
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
COME ON!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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18. "probably every year"
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I'm interested in seeing what they do

  

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16. "they late as a mug this year."
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Thought we'd have to wait till June...

  

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19. "not really...just by a month from last year"
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developers get the new SDK, then in June new apps get shown off.

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49. "a month is LATE, J.B."
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51. "either way it's happening on Thursday."
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20. "to call it ahead of time... yes u can has multitasking"
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...but no you can't has the cool visuals of WebOS or Android - sawwie :p

  

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21. "kthxbai."
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24. "lol @ webOS"
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that platform is toast

  

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27. "nah someone will acquire it and dump the rest"
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28. "it's tear jerking - such a beautiful OS with a company full of fail..."
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31. "lol @ you"
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preferring something that doesn't work as well

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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33. "yeah, you're probably right"
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the mass exodus of iphone and ipod touch owners over to the palm camp is probably going to start any day now. they just needed that year to let the awesomeness of the pre really sink in.

it syncs with itunes now, right?

  

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34. "hahahahaha"
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The offspring :-D

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35. "The thing is, as it stands on the user side"
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It's a better mobile phone platform then the iphone OS.

Sure the hardware sucked and the company is going down in flames, but don't think there isn't a player waiting for the company to implode by the end of the year to pick it up on the cheap.

  

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36. "Who? Sony?"
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>don't think there isn't a player waiting for the
>company to implode by the end of the year to pick it up on the
>cheap.

  

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40. "Anybody"
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It's not as if they buy webOs they gotta use WebOs as is. Figure Rim to help with their archaic OS, or a major manufacturer (HTC, etc) could pick it up on the cheap just to throw it on some phones as an experiment rather then just riding the Android train across all their phones.

  

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39. "but does a marginally better user experience sell phones?"
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like, let's say the pre is easier to set up - it's not like the iphone is a real brain-buster, and it's not like the pre is head and shoulders above the iphone in any other department (aside from possibly the ability to multitask, which is going to be solved in the next month or two). there aren't any compelling reasons for someone to drop an iphone and hop into the pre camp.

on the other hand, there are millions of apps available on the app store that aren't on web os, and all of those are reasons to consider the iphone over the pre. on top of that, all those current iphone and ipod touch owners that have invested cash into their apps can't take them with them if they jump ship.

  

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43. "Cellphones are a fickle market"
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in the US your pushed to get a new phone every 2 years, the tech is constantly getting better, and even though we love talking about apps it's not as if the average user can't live without his T-Pain app if he can trade up to a doper phone. Id argue Blackberry has a stronger tie since blackberry messenger tends to replace texting amoung that set.

The Pre is a done deal, but WebOs, Android and looks like Microsoft will all have superior OS's then what Apple has.

Don't think Apple's lead can change when someones got an older iphone and suddenly AT&T sends them a flyer to upgrade to something newer for only 50 bucks.



>like, let's say the pre is easier to set up - it's not like
>the iphone is a real brain-buster, and it's not like the pre
>is head and shoulders above the iphone in any other department
>(aside from possibly the ability to multitask, which is going
>to be solved in the next month or two). there aren't any
>compelling reasons for someone to drop an iphone and hop into
>the pre camp.
>
>on the other hand, there are millions of apps available on the
>app store that aren't on web os, and all of those are reasons
>to consider the iphone over the pre. on top of that, all those
>current iphone and ipod touch owners that have invested cash
>into their apps can't take them with them if they jump ship.

  

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44. "could you give me a couple of examples of how android's better?"
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from your perspective, what does the android platform have that the iphone doesn't?

  

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48. "How about runnin an app in the background"
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Something even a dumb ass blackberry can do. I could instantaneously bb messenger, aim and gchat without having to deal with iffy push notification. Hell, even the way it groups all messages seamlessly, blurring the line between email/chats/text messages makes communication that much easier.

You guys are acting like the iphone OS is this miracle product, It was revolutionary four years ago, now it's not. Outside of a GREAT media player system and an eye on design there is nothing it brings to the table that you can't find in Android or WebOS.

I have an iphone and I love it, but I also notice I had to lose alot in the switch from my blackberry which irks me a year later.

  

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50. "you could always go back."
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if a BB does what you need get a BB.

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53. "I shouldn't have to though"
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RIM infrastructure stuff aside, there is no reason why my Iphone can't do some of those things, it's just poor engineering on Apple's part.

  

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52. "+ social networking integration (best on HTC Sense for Android)"
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+ customizable home screens

+ speech to text / search

+ car/navigation mode

  

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60. "OK"
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>+ social networking integration (best on HTC Sense for Android)

not really sure what you mean by this

>+ customizable home screens

OK

>+ speech to text / search

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsge4iM-FTE

>+ car/navigation mode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YskygegTjAU

  

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59. "i'd like to have that too"
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but it's not like apple couldn't do it or forgot to include it. cocoa touch is a real multitasking os, they just prevented third party apps from doing it and everybody knows the reasons why.

the major thing keeping me from buying an android phone is the lack of software on par with the iphone stuff, and i seriously doubt that's going to change. plus, when a new os version comes out you have to wait for your phone's manufacturer to roll it out, if they even bother. with apple you always have the newest shit.

  

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101. "hahahahahahahahahahahaha"
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unless you have an og iphone of course.

in which case you get fucked and don't get simple shit like mms.

platform fragmentation is always a problem, and it's going to get worse this year for iphone owners.

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106. "you can't be serious"
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162. "TOLD YOU BITCH. no multitasking for 3G iphone"
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241. "who gives a flying fuck?"
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absolutely no one

it's a hardware limitation, you fucking retard, and it doesn't fragment the market in any meaningful way.

the og iphone is 3 years old, and guess what? 96% of iphone users surveyed said that they are planning to buy another one.

this is nothing compared to the fiasco when android rolled out 2.0, when NEW PHONES were being released without the new OS.

fucking nincompoop.

  

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244. "to a fanboy? everything is explainable."
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41. "....and now we get to the part where"
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I prefer using what's better vs. what someone else is using

you're right.

using something that's better, is a bad idea. I can totally see that now.

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42. "it has no games (c) rjcc"
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45. "I'm not sure what you're talking about."
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46. "oh, sorry"
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i'm saying your phone sucks

  

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47. "my bad, I was in the way of you making shit up"
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because you don't have anything relevant or intelligent to contribute

please, proceed.

or don't.

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55. "i feel truly moderated"
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thanks for the help!

  

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54. "Sorry but the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone"
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No one likes to admit it, and yes their approval policies can be annoying.

But there's really no arguing that the quality and quantity of apps on the iPhone completely sons every other platform.

Next Post: Actual people don't really care about multitasking.

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61. "Then why upgrade the OS at all?"
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Leave iphone OS where it is and you don't even have to worry about backwards compatibility.

They'll implement multitasking eventually, and when they do, they'll have to admit that it's important.

  

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62. "it's not important till steve says it is remember"
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the weird thing about the ifanboys is that no one is saying the iphones app store isn't a strength.

just that for EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD

a million shitty apps isn't the be all end all

there is more to life

also, people don't give a shit about multitasking, if they fixed it for pandora and a few im and twitter apps, everyone would forget all about it

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66. "Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter""
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When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone manufacturer copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME folks are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface. #cmonson

Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to not be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the best-selling phone of all time.

It's nice but come on.

Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations do little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up your available memory, and crash the shit out of your phone.

Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.

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69. "Running Aim and Gchat doesn't bring a blackberry to it's knees"
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Why can't the iphone do it.

On top of that, the whole 'the market speaks' is a moot point because the market has spoken for many inferior products. And also, blackberry currently rules the roost of the smartphone market, with a machine that's basically a overclocked lcd watch, lol. So I guess the market does want to be able to multitas

  

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89. "NOPE!! IPHONE MORE POPULAR!!!!"
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cuz you can add up all the different iphone model sales, but not all the different blackberry model sales

because...... (insert answer only iphone fanboys believe)

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72. "you keep wanting to believe you have a ferarri when it's a scooter"
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that's cool tho, lots of people have scooters.

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73. "RE: Please all the iPhone haters were talking about "UI doesn't matter""
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>When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone manufacturer
>copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME folks
>are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface.
>#cmonson

Actually, the interface is the thing I dislike most about webOS. Feels too much like something Apple would come up with.

But really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys and limiting customization, what were the fundamental innovations that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied? Pinch to zoom? Maybe, but that's one of the many things that follow directly from making navigation entirely dependent on the touchscreen.

>Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to not
>be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the
>best-selling phone of all time.

By the same logic, Windows is the best operating system on the market.

>It's nice but come on.

I'm not saying it's the be-all-end-all. Honestly I don't use it all that frequently. But the fact that it's the #1 rumor floating around implies at least two things. First, a lot of people would like it. Second, Apple will probably allow it eventually. And knowing their history, when they do implement it they will try to pretend it's a revolution in handheld computing. It's like video on the ipod, gapless playback, drm-free audio, cut & paste, background notifications. They claim these things aren't important, and then they announce them to great acclaim.

>Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations do
>little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up
>your available memory, and crash the shit out of your phone.
>
>Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.

That was the original Apple fud, but it hasn't come to pass. I'm sure there are some apps that would drain battery substantially if left on in the background (I haven't come across any), but it should be the user's responsibility to pay attention to those things. Many Pre users, for example, leave a few background apps open at all times, and real world battery life remains comparable. Much like on an iphone, the battery survives for about a day under moderate to heavy use. Unlike on an iphone, when the battery runs out, you can swap in a spare.

  

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78. "I know you're smart enough to see the errors in your argument but..."
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>>When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone
>manufacturer
>>copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME folks
>>are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface.
>>#cmonson
>
>Actually, the interface is the thing I dislike most about
>webOS. Feels too much like something Apple would come up
>with.

So you don't dislike the generally shitty hardware? Screen? Processor?

>But really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys and
>limiting customization, what were the fundamental innovations
>that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied?
>Pinch to zoom? Maybe, but that's one of the many things that
>follow directly from making navigation entirely dependent on
>the touchscreen.
>
>>Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to
>not
>>be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the
>>best-selling phone of all time.
>
>By the same logic, Windows is the best operating system on the
>market.

Uh no that's not the same logic at all. BY THE SAME LOGIC, some feature that OSX has and windows doesn't is not compelling enough to users, as a whole, to choose OSX over Windows.

The only thing I was saying is that people vote with their money. Both of my 50+ parents own and LOVE their iPhones. Picture them whining about multitasking. That's what I'm saying.

>>It's nice but come on.
>
>I'm not saying it's the be-all-end-all. Honestly I don't use
>it all that frequently. But the fact that it's the #1 rumor
>floating around implies at least two things. First, a lot of
>people would like it. Second, Apple will probably allow it
>eventually. And knowing their history, when they do implement
>it they will try to pretend it's a revolution in handheld
>computing. It's like video on the ipod, gapless playback,
>drm-free audio, cut & paste, background notifications. They
>claim these things aren't important, and then they announce
>them to great acclaim.

I really want video of Apple claiming any of those things, in particular, were "revolutionary". It IS a really nice video implementation, but they certainly didn't claim to be the first to have video on a phone.

Most of their "best/first in class" claims came at launch of the first iPhone. And if you amended statements like "best screen ever" to "best screen ever on any phone that any American without a favorite Japanese/South Korean importer would ever even consider actually buying" they were mostly true.

>>Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations
>do
>>little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up
>>your available memory, and crash the shit out of your phone.
>>
>>Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.
>
>That was the original Apple fud, but it hasn't come to pass.
>I'm sure there are some apps that would drain battery
>substantially if left on in the background (I haven't come
>across any), but it should be the user's responsibility to pay
>attention to those things. Many Pre users, for example, leave
>a few background apps open at all times, and real world
>battery life remains comparable. Much like on an iphone, the
>battery survives for about a day under moderate to heavy use.
>Unlike on an iphone, when the battery runs out, you can swap
>in a spare.
>

Yes, non-user-replaceable batteries suck. THAT's a good argument. And if it matters to you, great, buy something else. Of course it's extremely rare that I'm ever away from an iPhone/iPod charger for more than the life of the battery (like everybody else in the developed world) so it's not much of an issue for me.

Also that whole "user's responsibility" argument is old as dirt. It's how Unix dorks tried to claim superiority over windows. Guess what? I don't want to constantly micromanage my running apps to save battery life. Nor do I want to browse the source of every app I download to make sure some lazy developer didn't write in a memory leak or use twice as much power as necessary. I turn off the phone, the app dies. That's smarter.

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80. "Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourself."
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>>>When the iPhone dropped. Then every other phone
>>manufacturer
>>>copied the living shit out of the iPhone. Now the SAME
>folks
>>>are talking bout webOS better because of it's interface.
>>>#cmonson
>>
>>Actually, the interface is the thing I dislike most about
>>webOS. Feels too much like something Apple would come up
>>with.
>
>So you don't dislike the generally shitty hardware?

Actually, no, because the hardware is perfectly fine. "Shitty" is definitely a ridiculous bit of hyperbole. I'd rather have an actual keyboard, even if accompanied with the occasional slider problems (of which I've had none), than just not have the keyboard at all.

>Screen?

Considering that the pixel count is the same on the Pre as on the iphone, that's another no.

>Processor?

The processor, again, is fine. The Pre is generally faster than the 3G, and on many benchmarks, is competitive with the 3GS.

>>But really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys
>and
>>limiting customization, what were the fundamental
>innovations
>>that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied?
>>Pinch to zoom? Maybe, but that's one of the many things
>that
>>follow directly from making navigation entirely dependent on
>>the touchscreen.
>>
>>>Multitasking has pretty much been proven by the market to
>>not
>>>be a do-or-die feature. Last I checked the iPhone is the
>>>best-selling phone of all time.
>>
>>By the same logic, Windows is the best operating system on
>the
>>market.
>
>Uh no that's not the same logic at all. BY THE SAME LOGIC,
>some feature that OSX has and windows doesn't is not
>compelling enough to users, as a whole, to choose OSX over
>Windows.
>
>The only thing I was saying is that people vote with their
>money.

Well, the specific thing you said was "Sorry but the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone." Probably, for some people. Not for all people.

Then you said "actual people" don't care about multitasking, then failed to explain why everyone seems to be talking about whether they're about to do it.

>Both of my 50+ parents own and LOVE their iPhones.
>Picture them whining about multitasking. That's what I'm
>saying.

And my 50+ parents love their six year old e-machines piece of shit desktop computer. That doesn't mean it "pretty much makes it the best computer."

>>>It's nice but come on.
>>
>>I'm not saying it's the be-all-end-all. Honestly I don't
>use
>>it all that frequently. But the fact that it's the #1 rumor
>>floating around implies at least two things. First, a lot
>of
>>people would like it. Second, Apple will probably allow it
>>eventually. And knowing their history, when they do
>implement
>>it they will try to pretend it's a revolution in handheld
>>computing. It's like video on the ipod, gapless playback,
>>drm-free audio, cut & paste, background notifications. They
>>claim these things aren't important, and then they announce
>>them to great acclaim.
>
>I really want video of Apple claiming any of those things, in
>particular, were "revolutionary". It IS a really nice video
>implementation, but they certainly didn't claim to be the
>first to have video on a phone.

The important point is that until they do these things, they either claim they don't matter, or that they don't fit into their revolutionary new user experience. Multitasking, gapless, DRM, MMS, "didn't matter" until they did them. All this time they said these things didn't matter, they were working on them.

Cut and paste was a little more entertaining, because they didn't just say it didn't matter. They tried to pretend there was a fundamental difficulty in the very idea of selecting text within their revolutionary, simple, intuitive user experience. Then when they finally unveiled it, the implementation was essentially what anyone would have expected on day one.

It took a very long time for the Pre to get cut and paste. Seven or eight months as I remember. They didn't say it didn't matter. They didn't say they were wrestling with fundamental issues of human interaction. They said they were working on it.

I think I'm mostly just annoyed at Apple's hubris. The way they claim to be the arbiters of what matters, or of how people interact with their technology, when in fact they respond to the marketplace all the time, including their competitors.

The iPad, for example, is a netbook. They can pretend all they want, but it's a tablet-format netbook. Tablets have existed for a long time, and dumbed-down laptops (netbooks) have existed for a long time. There is nothing revolutionary about the iPad except marketing.

>Most of their "best/first in class" claims came at launch of
>the first iPhone. And if you amended statements like "best
>screen ever" to "best screen ever on any phone that any
>American without a favorite Japanese/South Korean importer
>would ever even consider actually buying" they were mostly
>true.
>
>>>Not to mention that many many multitasking implementations
>>do
>>>little more than drain the shit out of your battery, eat up
>>>your available memory, and crash the shit out of your
>phone.
>>>
>>>Ol "better fuel mileage than a Ferrari" ass niggas.
>>
>>That was the original Apple fud, but it hasn't come to pass.
>
>>I'm sure there are some apps that would drain battery
>>substantially if left on in the background (I haven't come
>>across any), but it should be the user's responsibility to
>pay
>>attention to those things. Many Pre users, for example,
>leave
>>a few background apps open at all times, and real world
>>battery life remains comparable. Much like on an iphone,
>the
>>battery survives for about a day under moderate to heavy use.
>
>>Unlike on an iphone, when the battery runs out, you can swap
>>in a spare.
>>
>
>Yes, non-user-replaceable batteries suck. THAT's a good
>argument. And if it matters to you, great, buy something else.

Actually, it doesn't matter to me, because I've never needed to swap the battery before, because *the battery life is perfectly fine*. So this claim that third-party background apps are an open door to battery drains, or memory leaks, has no basis in reality. Even sideloaded apps have never been a problem for me or anyone I've heard from.

>Of course it's extremely rare that I'm ever away from an
>iPhone/iPod charger for more than the life of the battery
>(like everybody else in the developed world) so it's not much
>of an issue for me.
>
>Also that whole "user's responsibility" argument is old as
>dirt. It's how Unix dorks tried to claim superiority over
>windows. Guess what? I don't want to constantly micromanage my
>running apps to save battery life.

Who's micromanaging? As I said before, I have never noticed any app, official or unofficial, to drain my battery significantly in the background (apart from obvious ones that play audio, or frequently update gps location, or something like that). This is not an issue. It's an excuse, and it should not be taken seriously.

>Nor do I want to browse the
>source of every app I download to make sure some lazy
>developer didn't write in a memory leak or use twice as much
>power as necessary.

And again, nobody does that, because nobody needs to do that. You're strawmanning. I don't run a task manager, I basically only reboot for firmware updates, and my memory usage is fine. On the rare occasions when an app does develop a serious memory leak (as used to happen occasionally in the browser, a few firmwares ago), it's obvious what it is and the memory is easily freed when the app is closed. Worst case scenario (which I've never experienced), I'd close all apps, which is effectively what one would do on an iphone.

  

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84. "RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse..."
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>Actually, no, because the hardware is perfectly fine.
>"Shitty" is definitely a ridiculous bit of hyperbole. I'd
>rather have an actual keyboard, even if accompanied with the
>occasional slider problems (of which I've had none), than just
>not have the keyboard at all.

Good. If you gotta have a keyboard stick with the Pre. Tens of millions of people way dumber than you have figured out how to use a screen just fine but you can't get by. Great. Palm is for you.

>>Screen?
>
>Considering that the pixel count is the same on the Pre as on
>the iphone, that's another no.

Yeah LOL at pixel count being the only thing that matters on a screen. I presume you only look at the megapixel spec when buying cameras too.

>>Processor?
>
>The processor, again, is fine. The Pre is generally faster
>than the 3G, and on many benchmarks, is competitive with the
>3GS.

Latest iPhone vs. latest Palm. Seems fair to me. And benchmarks aside, even against the 3G the Pre was very choppy in basic usage like swiping through photos or scrolling a long web page. I've actually done this side by side. You should too.


>Well, the specific thing you said was "Sorry but the app store
>pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone." Probably,
>for some people. Not for all people.

Obviously I didn't claim that all people prefer the iPhone. This argument defeats that argument.

>Then you said "actual people" don't care about multitasking,
>then failed to explain why everyone seems to be talking about
>whether they're about to do it.
>
>And my 50+ parents love their six year old e-machines piece of
>shit desktop computer. That doesn't mean it "pretty much
>makes it the best computer."

LOL @ everyone on Engadget and OKP High Tech being "everyone". I guess you forgot that girls and old people buy phones too.

Besides that, the ONLY claim I made about multitasking is that it is clearly not a do-or-die feature based on market results. That point is irrefutable. The iPhone does not have multitasking (yet), and is already the best-selling phone of all time. That makes multitasking a nice-to-have in the minds of many.

If you want to base your assessment of aggregate public interest on Forum 11 on OKP rather than the entire American free market system, knock yourself out.

Also, the app store is a major differentiator between the iPhone and other smart phones. The last important one left, I'd say. That's why it's reasonable to cite it as a reason for the iPhones continued success. YOUR argument for why the iPhone is so successful is magical Apple FUD and trickery powerful enough to brainwash an entire nation and generate billions in revenue, yet impossible to duplicate by any other company on earth.

Steve Jobs isn't a Jedi. He makes great products and takes big risks.

>The important point is that until they do these things, they
>either claim they don't matter, or that they don't fit into
>their revolutionary new user experience. Multitasking,
>gapless, DRM, MMS, "didn't matter" until they did them. All
>this time they said these things didn't matter, they were
>working on them.

>Cut and paste was a little more entertaining, because they
>didn't just say it didn't matter. They tried to pretend there
>was a fundamental difficulty in the very idea of selecting
>text within their revolutionary, simple, intuitive user
>experience. Then when they finally unveiled it, the
>implementation was essentially what anyone would have expected
>on day one.
>
>It took a very long time for the Pre to get cut and paste.
>Seven or eight months as I remember. They didn't say it
>didn't matter. They didn't say they were wrestling with
>fundamental issues of human interaction. They said they were
>working on it.
>
>I think I'm mostly just annoyed at Apple's hubris. The way
>they claim to be the arbiters of what matters, or of how
>people interact with their technology, when in fact they
>respond to the marketplace all the time, including their
>competitors.
>
>The iPad, for example, is a netbook. They can pretend all
>they want, but it's a tablet-format netbook. Tablets have
>existed for a long time, and dumbed-down laptops (netbooks)
>have existed for a long time. There is nothing revolutionary
>about the iPad except marketing.


Fucking every tech company ever does that shit. So what? Nintendo thinks graphics don't matter. M$ thinks higher storage capacity doesn't matter. Sony thinks actual sales numbers don't matter. Every company trying to sell you something does this shit. Palm blatantly ripped off Apple's product, which you think was so non-revolutionary, then rushed a product to market, and were plagued with hardware & software issues for months after release, and you want to praise them for it.

Also if cut and paste has such an obvious implementation, why didn't Palm launch with it either? Why is WinMo7 hinting at launching without it? I'm not a mobile developer, but maybe there's a bit more to it than you think?

>Actually, it doesn't matter to me, because I've never needed
>to swap the battery before, because *the battery life is
>perfectly fine*. So this claim that third-party background
>apps are an open door to battery drains, or memory leaks, has
>no basis in reality. Even sideloaded apps have never been a
>problem for me or anyone I've heard from.

You refute this all by yourself by mentioning audio apps / GPS apps.

>Who's micromanaging? As I said before, I have never noticed
>any app, official or unofficial, to drain my battery
>significantly in the background (apart from obvious ones that
>play audio, or frequently update gps location, or something
>like that). This is not an issue. It's an excuse, and it
>should not be taken seriously.

It's not an issue for you maybe, but most users would run foursquare or an IM client in the background all the time without really understanding the implications for power consumption. Now you can argue that YOU get it so a Pre is better for YOU, but you can't really say that Apple is nuts for maybe holding off on multitasking until they solve that problem.

>And again, nobody does that, because nobody needs to do that.
>You're strawmanning. I don't run a task manager, I basically
>only reboot for firmware updates, and my memory usage is fine.
> On the rare occasions when an app does develop a serious
>memory leak (as used to happen occasionally in the browser, a
>few firmwares ago), it's obvious what it is and the memory is
>easily freed when the app is closed. Worst case scenario
>(which I've never experienced), I'd close all apps, which is
>effectively what one would do on an iphone.

Oh strawmanning? Is that like when you tried to start a side argument about the iPad?

Also, no, you wouldn't do that on the iPhone. The iPhone would note that the application is wildin' and close that bitch.

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IT HAS SHITTY PROCESSOR!!!>>>!!!!

SHITTY HARDWARE !!!>>>!!

SHITTYY SCREEN!!!???!!!

it's the same as the 3GS.

you don't know that of course, because you're a fanboy retard.

but it's funny to see say those things.


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1. The 3GS was consistently benchmarked as faster than the Pre
2. The Pre had well-known hardware issues

I'm basing the screen comparison on holding them both side by side and playing with both for a while. You disagree I guess. Fine.

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92. "1. you're an iphone fanboy and a liar"
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2. you don't research anything, you say whatever brand you've decided to dickride is better and ignore all evidence to the contrary



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You woulda talked people out of

Blu-Ray in favor of HD-DVD...
iPod in favor of some bullshit...
and now the iPhone in favor of Pre.

And we sposed to trust your tech judgement.

FOH.

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you're just a fanboy, plain and simple.

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87. "RE: Thanks! You're too smart to be on such ridiculous fanboy shit yourse..."
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>>Actually, no, because the hardware is perfectly fine.
>>"Shitty" is definitely a ridiculous bit of hyperbole. I'd
>>rather have an actual keyboard, even if accompanied with the
>>occasional slider problems (of which I've had none), than
>just
>>not have the keyboard at all.
>
>Good. If you gotta have a keyboard stick with the Pre. Tens of
>millions of people way dumber than you have figured out how to
>use a screen just fine but you can't get by. Great. Palm is
>for you.

It's not about "knowing how to use a screen." Jesus christ. They took something away, something that many of us consider to be very important. They removed a feature, and replaced it with a workaround. That's fine, but we should call it what it is.

>>>Screen?
>>
>>Considering that the pixel count is the same on the Pre as
>on
>>the iphone, that's another no.
>
>Yeah LOL at pixel count being the only thing that matters on a
>screen. I presume you only look at the megapixel spec when
>buying cameras too.

Alright, what specifically are you getting at, apart from vague insinuations?

>>>Processor?
>>
>>The processor, again, is fine. The Pre is generally faster
>>than the 3G, and on many benchmarks, is competitive with the
>>3GS.
>
>Latest iPhone vs. latest Palm. Seems fair to me. And
>benchmarks aside, even against the 3G the Pre was very choppy
>in basic usage like swiping through photos or scrolling a long
>web page. I've actually done this side by side. You should
>too.

I have, and I have very little idea when you did this and on what firmware. I have no more reason to take your word for this than you have mine. But users are not generally complaining about the Pre being "very choppy in basic usage," so I don't know where you're getting that.

>>Well, the specific thing you said was "Sorry but the app
>store
>>pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone."
>Probably,
>>for some people. Not for all people.
>
>Obviously I didn't claim that all people prefer the iPhone.

No, you said "the app store pretty much makes the iPhone the best smartphone." "Best," like it's some kind of objective claim. But you neglected the fact that most of us can still find all the apps we need for the Pre, so for us, the app store is moot.

>This argument defeats that argument.
>
>>Then you said "actual people" don't care about multitasking,
>>then failed to explain why everyone seems to be talking
>about
>>whether they're about to do it.
>>
>>And my 50+ parents love their six year old e-machines piece
>of
>>shit desktop computer. That doesn't mean it "pretty much
>>makes it the best computer."
>
>LOL @ everyone on Engadget and OKP High Tech being "everyone".
>I guess you forgot that girls and old people buy phones too.

Well, I actually meant "everyone" to whom the OS 4 announcement was intended. Apple claims to have something to announce. The possibility that is usually mentioned in this context is multitasking.

>Besides that, the ONLY claim I made about multitasking is that
>it is clearly not a do-or-die feature based on market results.
>That point is irrefutable.

And I didn't claim to refute it.

>The iPhone does not have
>multitasking (yet), and is already the best-selling phone of
>all time. That makes multitasking a nice-to-have in the minds
>of many.
>
>If you want to base your assessment of aggregate public
>interest on Forum 11 on OKP rather than the entire American
>free market system, knock yourself out.

Well, how about the tech section of any major American newspaper? It's not like OKP is the only place where this is being discussed.

>Also, the app store is a major differentiator between the
>iPhone and other smart phones. The last important one left,
>I'd say. That's why it's reasonable to cite it as a reason for
>the iPhones continued success.

A big app store is great, but you have to admit there's a point of diminishing returns, where an app store becomes perfectly sufficient for any typical user. Any reasonable person would admit the Android marketplace is already there. The Palm Catalog is obviously more questionable, but it's quite a bit younger than the others, and most users seem to think it's growing at an acceptable rate.

>YOUR argument for why the
>iPhone is so successful is magical Apple FUD and trickery
>powerful enough to brainwash an entire nation and generate
>billions in revenue, yet impossible to duplicate by any other
>company on earth.

See, this is that strawmanning I was mentioning before.

>Steve Jobs isn't a Jedi. He makes great products and takes big
>risks.
>
>>The important point is that until they do these things, they
>>either claim they don't matter, or that they don't fit into
>>their revolutionary new user experience. Multitasking,
>>gapless, DRM, MMS, "didn't matter" until they did them. All
>>this time they said these things didn't matter, they were
>>working on them.
>
>>Cut and paste was a little more entertaining, because they
>>didn't just say it didn't matter. They tried to pretend
>there
>>was a fundamental difficulty in the very idea of selecting
>>text within their revolutionary, simple, intuitive user
>>experience. Then when they finally unveiled it, the
>>implementation was essentially what anyone would have
>expected
>>on day one.
>>
>>It took a very long time for the Pre to get cut and paste.
>>Seven or eight months as I remember. They didn't say it
>>didn't matter. They didn't say they were wrestling with
>>fundamental issues of human interaction. They said they
>were
>>working on it.
>>
>>I think I'm mostly just annoyed at Apple's hubris. The way
>>they claim to be the arbiters of what matters, or of how
>>people interact with their technology, when in fact they
>>respond to the marketplace all the time, including their
>>competitors.
>>
>>The iPad, for example, is a netbook. They can pretend all
>>they want, but it's a tablet-format netbook. Tablets have
>>existed for a long time, and dumbed-down laptops (netbooks)
>>have existed for a long time. There is nothing
>revolutionary
>>about the iPad except marketing.
>
>
>Fucking every tech company ever does that shit. So what?

So it's annoying when they do it, and Apple does it more frequently, and more egregiously, and more effectively, than any other.

>Nintendo thinks graphics don't matter. M$ thinks higher
>storage capacity doesn't matter. Sony thinks actual sales
>numbers don't matter. Every company trying to sell you
>something does this shit. Palm blatantly ripped off Apple's
>product,

I notice you still haven't detailed any particular examples of what exactly they ripped off.

>which you think was so non-revolutionary, then rushed
>a product to market, and were plagued with hardware & software
>issues for months after release, and you want to praise them
>for it.

Wait, do you live in a universe where the iphone was not "plagued with hardware and software issues for months after release"? Moreover, do you live in a universe where I "praised" Palm for hardware and software issues?

>Also if cut and paste has such an obvious implementation, why
>didn't Palm launch with it either?

Because they needed to fucking code it. And it wasn't their first priority. Just like Apple. That's my point. But at least they were honest about it.

>Why is WinMo7 hinting at
>launching without it?

Hinting at it? They've confirmed it multiple times, and I don't expect them to stick to it much longer than Apple did. But "Apple's no worse than Microsoft" isn't a particularly high standard to hold on to.



>>Who's micromanaging? As I said before, I have never noticed
>>any app, official or unofficial, to drain my battery
>>significantly in the background (apart from obvious ones
>that
>>play audio, or frequently update gps location, or something
>>like that). This is not an issue. It's an excuse, and it
>>should not be taken seriously.
>
>It's not an issue for you maybe, but most users would run
>foursquare or an IM client in the background all the time
>without really understanding the implications for power
>consumption.

If only they had some kind of centralized system from which everybody had to get their apps, so that Apple could warn them of these dangers in an organized way. They should think about that.

>Now you can argue that YOU get it so a Pre is
>better for YOU, but you can't really say that Apple is nuts
>for maybe holding off on multitasking until they solve that
>problem.
>
>>And again, nobody does that, because nobody needs to do that.
>
>>You're strawmanning. I don't run a task manager, I
>basically
>>only reboot for firmware updates, and my memory usage is
>fine.
>> On the rare occasions when an app does develop a serious
>>memory leak (as used to happen occasionally in the browser,
>a
>>few firmwares ago), it's obvious what it is and the memory
>is
>>easily freed when the app is closed. Worst case scenario
>>(which I've never experienced), I'd close all apps, which is
>>effectively what one would do on an iphone.
>
>Oh strawmanning? Is that like when you tried to start a side
>argument about the iPad?

Um, no, it's not. The straw man tactic involves intentionally misstating the arguments of one's opponent, so that you can more easily knock those arguments down. I never claimed to know your views of the iPad, and I never claimed to knock them down. I was citing an example, torn from the headlines, as they say. My point was that the iPad's been successfully turned into something more than it deserves to be, in the public consciousness. You're welcome to dispute that, accept it, or leave it.

  

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63. "I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing..."
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...games

Social networking, iming, email and productivity blah blah - almost everything else Apple have 100 apps for Android & a couple others have apps for that covers the same functionality.

But gaming seems to be where Apple done separated from the pack. Apple seems to have made up for their fail in the 90's with their halfassed attempt in gaming as developer support made gaming on the iPhone form a mere niche to a platform that picked up enough steam over the years to overtake the PSP and charge @ the DS. iPhones can't do much of anything that impress me app-wise, but SF4 or Metal Gear? Have me sit next to someone playin ish like that and my eyes might be transfixed right on they shit like O_O

  

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70. "RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing..."
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aside from the games thing though, within that massive app catalog there are bound to be a few that really appeal to each individual user. it's not that everyone's going to use all of the apps, it's that there are likely to be a few really serious apps that are available only on the iphone that the individual customer won't want to give up, or at least would expect to have on an alternative platform.

i can only talk about what i use it for, but there's an incredible japanese-english dictionary and 3D graphing calculator that i use all of the time, and neither of them are on any of the other platforms. that would be the bare minimum for me to consider switching, and i think there are probably a lot of others in similar situations.

  

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74. "3D graphing calculator?"
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All fanboyism aside, I'm just curious why anybody would ever need such a thing. I haven't used one since AP Calculus, and I do more calculus per day now than I did then.

I use gnuplot very frequently (mostly for data but occasionally for functions). I just can't imagine having a use for it when I'm away from the computer. You do some kind of in-the-field engineering? Teaching?

I take your point that everyone wants a few niche apps. I had to get into homebrew just to find a terminal and an ssh client on the Pre, while my iphone-using buddy reminds me that there are like a dozen of them officially on the iphone. But I found it eventually.

  

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75. "econ grad student"
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i'm trying to get my calculus and trig up

  

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81. "Ah, cool."
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82. "what's a fingerprint sphere, btw?"
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been wondering about that thing in your avy forever

  

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Thanks for asking, though. It has to do with my research. Specifically, it relates to an effect called gravitational lensing.

Basically, in general relativity, the presence of a gravitational field causes light rays to "shear," meaning that they spread in one direction and compress in the orthogonal direction.

The sphere shown in my avy represents something called the "celestial sphere." This is basically the mathematical representation of what someone sees when they look into the sky. If you collect all the light rays that cross a given point in spacetime (at which point they could, for example, enter somebody's eye), then this collection as a whole is mathematically a sphere, the sphere on which the stars appear to be attached, so historically it's called the celestial sphere. (Strictly speaking, the picture is actually drawn on something called the "anti-celestial sphere," I guess because I prefer to be anti-celestial, but the distinction isn't particularly important.)

So this sphere represents all the directions from which a light ray can enter an eye. If there's a gravitational field in that vicinity, then it will shear the light rays, as I mentioned above. Interestingly, light rays from different directions are sheared in different ways. So if you trace out the plane along which the light rays are stretched by the shearing, as a function of the direction from which they came, you produce a pattern on this space of light rays, and it looks kinda like a fingerprint on the sphere. This is called the "fingerprint pattern" of the gravitational field, and it turns out to be a very effective way to characterize the essential structure of a gravitational field at a point in spacetime in general relativity. In particular, the "singularities" of the pattern, points where the curves fold up on themselves (two are visible in the picture: one slightly down and to the left from the center, and the other up near the north pole) frequently come in precisely the same patterns on finger-fingerprints, but in the case of a gravitational field they define the "degeneracies of the principal null directions," which in turn define precisely what kind of gravitational field you're dealing with. So like detectives analyze fingerprints to identify a person, a physicist can analyze a fingerprint to identify a gravitational field.

When I first put up that avy, I included a few of these buzzwords in my sig, but I quickly decided that'd be too nerdy. But in a thread like this I figure I'm safe.

  

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thanks a lot for typing that out.

  

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278. "RE: I see the sheer # of apps really only mattering in one thing..."
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3D graphing calculator? Android have at least one 5 star app in the marketplace that handles that. As for Japanese/English dictionary's there's at least a couple highly rated apps that can handle that along with Google's initative to take on this:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/googles-real-time-voice-translator-could-make-any-language-lingua-franca/

  

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311. "it's not just about handling it though"
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it's about the quality of the app. if i wanted a simple japanese-english dictionary there are plenty of decent ones for free on the app store, and i'm sure that android has comparable ones. If I want a deep, full-featured dictionary with example sentences separated by sense, idioms, jumping, bookmarks, etc. then for twenty bucks, this app replaces a separate $300 digital dictionary for me, plus it's one less device to throw in my bag. there's nothing close to this out for android.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05RqWWJinHc

  

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56. "what if adkit is their big announcement?"
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half the audience will poop their pants in anger and the rest will lose their minds trying to spin it into a positive.

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57. "bet?"
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58. "oh I don't think it will be."
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but I'd die of laughter if it was. I might even lay off you guys for a whole month like I did in February. Give you a chance to restore that RDF.

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77. "while I cry myself to sleep that night "
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if it's system wide and incorporated into dev kits that rips a whole in my universe.

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98. "appreciate it."
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hater.

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140. ""So our seventh tent pole is called... iAd""
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"It's mobile advertising. Now, what's this about?"

  

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64. "any chance of Apple adding a real UI?"
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the windows 7 phone interface makes iphone look like a damn fisher price My First Phone. but i have a bad feeling that Apple's gonna stick with the Grid of Colorful Squares (GCS).

if so, it's a wrap...my next phone will be Windows...never thought i'd say that.

on a side note, that complete lack of a coherent UI is what makes the iPad completely unappealing to me...that awkward home screen of lonely square icons makes me laugh every time i see it.

  

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67. "you know windows phone 7 won't have copy/paste, right?"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/windows-phone-7-series-wont-have-copy-and-paste/

We just super-double-ultra-plus-confirmed this with Microsoft -- Windows Phone 7 Series will not have copy and paste functionality. There is a data-detection service built into the text-handling API that will recognize phone numbers and addresses, but Microsoft says most users, including Office users, don't really need clipboard functionality.

  

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71. "lol"
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76. "whatever, chief"
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79. "I love reading the iPhone bashing posts"
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while steve jobs laughs his way to the bank....and microsoft's CEO says shit like this

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/04/30/ballmer.on.iphone/

  

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86. "who specifically is bashing the iphone"
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287. "lets start with this"
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"ut really, apart from the "innovations" of removing keys and limiting customization, what were the fundamental innovations that Apple provided that everybody else supposedly copied? "

  

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288. "so, you think that's bashing and not true?"
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289. "explain how its not bashing"
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take a snapshot of the cell phone market before and after the iphone came out tell me that apple had nothing to do with it.

  

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292. "if it's true, it's not bashing"
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I dunno, if you're gonna get butthurt over single lines that aren't even false

then yeah, everything is going to seem like bashing to you.

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299. "minimizing a major impact on an industry = bashing"
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>I dunno, if you're gonna get butthurt over single lines that
>aren't even false

the truth has nothing to do with it. you don't have to spew lies in order to bash something.

people want to downplay the iPhone and act like there is nothing really that special or great about it compared to whats out now without acknowledging that those phones wouldn't be here without the iPhone (and save me the google 'we were already working on android before the iphone came out bs)....and it only took 2 years for them to catch up *applause*

and i'm not exactly butthurt over it, i'm amused by it.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/07/04/30/ballmer.on.iphone/

thats the CEO of the most powerful software company in the world making a face plant.


  

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300. "dude, you're upset because other people aren't as impressed as you"
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THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF BUTTHURT

you're not arguing facts you're arguing influence and impact

I mean, if you want the iPhone to be appreciated better, go to some mac forums or something. in the real world, it was a huge step forward in several ways, and a massive step back in a lot of others, especially when it launched. we don't have to pay respect at the altar of steve to discuss where the os is four generations later.

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303. "sounds like you are butthurt"
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>THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF BUTTHURT
>
>you're not arguing facts you're arguing influence and impact

i'm not upset that other people aren't as impressed as i am. this isn't even up for debate. the industry has been impressed with the iphone. this is a fact, not something i'm arguing.

now, the fact that you are upset because of this is another story.....

>I mean, if you want the iPhone to be appreciated better, go to
>some mac forums or something. in the real world, it was a huge
>step forward in several ways, and a massive step back in a lot
>of others, especially when it launched.

massive step backwards? really?

>we don't have to pay
>respect at the altar of steve to discuss where the os is four
>generations later.

right, but lets drool over another os that is 'free' and 'open' that might be only slightly better than (but not as successful as) the iphone and claim still its lightyears better (scooter/ferrari).... without acknowledging that it took damn near 2 years for the competition to get to this point. thats perfectly okay.

  

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304. "lol. ok. turn it around, i'm upset"
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that makes anything you're saying make sense.

remember, you're the one who has the problem.

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305. "where did i say i have a problem?"
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90. "the iphone is the most influential mobile phone period"
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I've worked in & around the mobile industry since the 90s and never seen anything like it.

There were phones that blew up (BB mos def gets props and is the predecessor to the iPhone in what influence it provided) but this literally changed the game and secretly handset makers LOVE what it did because they were able to grow balls when dealing with operators, who controlled how their product was made.

I hope that they step their game up though because they are starting to get viable challenges from Android and a few others and a good back and forth helps us the consumer.



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93. "The only thing that will help the consumer.."
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...is being able to choose our own carrier no matter the model of the phone.

I love what Google did with the Nexus One contract. I'm giving it 3 years until that's the norm.

https://digife.com

  

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95. "it's almost the norm here"
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The offspring :-D

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99. "doubt it"
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94. "its not really bashing"
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ever been on dailytech.com?
we keep it pretty civil here until someone says something stupid.

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100. "no more get a mac ads? "
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/08/actor_says_apples_get_a_mac_ads_could_be_at_an_end.html

Actor says Apple's 'Get a Mac' ads could be at an end

By Katie Marsal
Published: 08:30 AM EST

Actor Justin Long said Apple's iconic, long-running "Get a Mac" commercials starring himself and John Hodgman may be over, with Apple ready to "move on" from the successful TV campaign.

In an interview with The Onion's A.V. Club, Long, who has appeared in movies such as Drag Me to Hell and Live Free or Die Hard, said he heard from Hodgman that the commercials may be over.

"You know, I think they might be done," he said. "In fact, I heard from John, I think they're going to move on. I can't say definitively, which is sad, because not only am I going to miss doing them, but also working with John. I've become very close with him, and he’s one of my dearest, greatest friends."

He continued: "It was so much fun to go do that job, because there’s not a lot to it for me. A lot of it is just keeping myself entertained between takes, and there's no one I'd rather do it with than John."

The latest commercials came last October, released to counter the launch of Microsoft's Windows 7. For years, Long has played the role of "Mac" in the commercials, the straight man to Hodgman's bumbling "PC" character. The successful campaign has portrayed Windows PCs as machines that are prone to issues that frustrate consumers., and lack the simplicity and ease of use of the Mac.

The commercials debuted in May 2006 with six TV spots that attacked Windows for being susceptible to viruses and system crashes. It was recognized as the advertising campaign of the decade by Adweek in December.

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102. "those ads only worked when niggas didn't have macs"
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once that shit crashed on you cuz all computers do eventually, they're pretty bs.

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104. "it's an ad."
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it's there to persuade people to buy a product based on slamming the shit out of competitors and in that sense it worked very well.
you gotta admit that...with a dollop of insult and a dash of sarcasm.

*sarcasm precognition meter ticking like mad*

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103. "IT'S ABOUT TIME."
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That joke ran out of steam a long time ago.

  

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105. "Jeff Goldbloom is coming back (swipe)"
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psyche.

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107. "I was finna say; they that desperate?"
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Why not let the Pixar characters do some? Too much shameful cross-pollination?

  

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108. "Wall-e in commercials?"
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i'd dig that.

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109. "Liveblogs:"
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/04/08/apple-iphone-os-4-live-blog/

http://live.gizmodo.com

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/

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110. ""MULTI-TASKING""
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let's see if it's a modification

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the best. Just like cut and paste." -Jobs

  

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111. "Maybe they kidnapped the Backgrounder devs and threw them"
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in a warehouse someplace with some old Technicolor iMacs and some torture devices.

  

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112. "Im surprised. I figured if that was the case"
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they wouldda put it in with the tablet release

  

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117. "t'wasn't ready yet."
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121. "It's only two months away"
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Guaranteed there are stable 4.0 releases flying around in high level Apple Cult member hands

  

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113. "edit. nope."
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nm

  

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114. "Uh oh Applers! It's gonna kill yer batteries and leak yer memory!"
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Look out!

  

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115. "here come the 180s. "
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all the folks who said they don't need it will be thrilled.

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118. "Or they'll say "Now there's NO reason not to use an iphone.""
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As if they would have admitted one before.

  

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126. "yup. and if you argue against it they'll bring the "silent majority""
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into the fight. and whatever argument you have against apple doesn't matter because the silent majority doesnt care about it.

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125. "lol."
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>all the folks who said they don't need it will be thrilled.

  

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116. "It may just be me"
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but their approach doesn't seem novel yet theyre saying it is...

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119. "apparently they're only allowing seven apis to run in the"
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background.

So what does this mean for application uses that fall outside of these boundaries? Will they at least be able to freeze an app?

  

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RustyShank
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122. "Yeah, it looks like they're mostly geared for specific uses"
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I'll wait for them to reveal the other 4 before passing judgement tho

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Nukkapedia
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124. "OK, fast app switching is #7. I'm good."
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Long as it can freeze the others.

And task completion is #6.

  

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180. "Um. What?"
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Q: Is there a reason why you won’t be able to see a timeline in Twitter or an IM conversation in the background?
A: We think it works better with the push notifications as it’s in place now. The fast-app switching is very complicated and more impressive than what we demoed.

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Nukkapedia
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198. "My question is, if you can fast switch back to the application"
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and it's doing notifications, isn't that enough?

If it's not going to sign you out when you switch applications (which it already doesn't), it's not much different than how IMs are handled on a computer except that the IM screen isn't "always up", which I suppose is what people are asking for?

Considering it's a small phone display, I'm okay with it the way it is, though the multitasking bar will help. On the iPad, however, I can see how an always-up IM or Twitter client would be worthwhile.

  

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204. "I think the question/answer was a bit unclear."
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But I was probably just trippin'.

Giving it a second thought I have more beef with the actual notification system itself (it could be better) than with how the applications are set up. The applications are just using what they're given.

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120. "The skype stuff is cool tho'"
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123. "cell location only in the background? fail"
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128. "they can use GPS for apps like turn by turn if they wish"
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127. "Folders. bout time."
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"I want to make a folder with games in it. I have several games, so I
just push my finger on an app, they start to jiggle, and I just drag
one app on top of another and it instantly makes a folder. It also
automatically names the folder based on the categories of these apps, or I can rename."

  

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135. "^^"
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130. "CATEGO--er, folders!"
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131. "Folders..."
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how is this different from multiple home screens? I guess you can fit more on one home screen by consolidation into folders?

2000 apps... yikes.

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132. "uh, yeah. lol"
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134. "Apple is taking such a gigantic L"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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133. "Enhanced Mail (pause) aka "Unified Inbox""
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just like HTC, no?

"All of your mail is in one inbox. And, we've made it so you can have
more than one Exchange account."

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136. "Headline: Apple Give free Pooh. Again."
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for nopayne.

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139. "doesn't Disney own almost all the rights to Pooh now?"
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144. "nope Licensed from A. A. Milne's estate."
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148. "Oh. I thought they sold."
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176. "*checks wiki*..still licensed"
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137. "Social Gaming Network."
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(you hear that? It's the sound of public schoolchildren's attention spans disintegrating)

  

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138. "Hmm.. Apple's own Xbox Live? Touche, Jobs. Touche."
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But don't sell me that 50000 games means it's better than the DS/PSP nonsense.

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142. "it's ambitious and could really work for them"
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145. "All I'm seeing is Street Fighter 4 online MP anywhere."
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that's awesome.

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147. "I agree. I feel like this is the most important announcement"
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outside of multitasking/iAd. This kind of service is pretty much nonexistent in the mobile space since Microsoft refuses to make a portable console and Nintendo refuses to embrace online. Sony just took an L, imo.

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153. "Yeah that was their best idea yet."
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178. "you sir use irony like a katana."
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187. "I'm serious lol."
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I've been seeing lots of movement towards social networks for apps (appbrain.com) and I think it's a good thing.

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194. "Oh wait, I guess they did kinda rip off xbox live."
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lol

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200. "Yup. but i'm ok with it this time since MS slept on the mobile"
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space. They're just filling a gap left by others. Before this you had smaller companies attempting to fill it and (mostly) failing.

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249. "xbox live anywhere?"
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well given ms history with gaming platforms, i don't have much faith in it either.

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254. "They might pull it off"
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The new Windows Mobile looks to be a force, and there's enough hardcore xbox fanboys to give it a small base to build from if they do it correctly.

  

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141. "Leaderboards..Acheivements... (rjcc in 3,2...)"
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BLATANT THEFT FROM M$...

Give me online SF4 Capcom. Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

This is awesome.

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143. "iAd. Uh oh."
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149. "good for advertisers. bad for everyone else."
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no popovers please.

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155. "Btw, the more I think of it, this IAd is shots at the Google"
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"Apple will sell and host the ads, and will give developers 60% split of the revenue."

  

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192. "app lockin"
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easy money for developers, reasons not to focus on other platforms.

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157. "In theory it's a sound advertising implementation"
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in practice, however, it can ruin the experience. At least Apple's closed business practices will preserve the former....

*coughs*

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159. "Also cue the Xzibit "Apps inside of apps" gif."
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163. "thank god that Apple patented this garbage."
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I hope the actively enforce it too. Software patents gone right, for once.

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169. "ha. nm"
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183. "good for everyone if companies invest heavily in app development"
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cause they now have a new revenue stream

i mean for the iphone it's probably not a very good thing from user's perspective, but for the iPad, there's so much more potential for large scale application development projects

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151. "I just imagine it now..."
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*Incoming text sound*

LilWaynefan91: Im a month late Reg. I think we are having a kid.

*popup*
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160. "Baby Gap has better clothes"
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LOL

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229. "you like them 19 year olds huh"
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208. "this leaves Google/AdMob kinda dead in the water"
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those mobile ads were pretty weak - who wants to touch one when it forces you to leave the application (although i suppose that's less painful now with multitasking)

*sees Google board secretly hoping AdMob purchase gets blocked by FTC*

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146. "YAY. A POPUP ADVERTISEMENT API!"
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*shoots self in head*

  

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154. "no popovers..."
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please.

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156. "i better be able to turn that ish off"
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161. "yeah gimmie a toggle."
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164. "With Apple taking 40% of advertising? Good luck, homies. lol"
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324. "just don't click on the banner ads and they won't pop up."
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150. "Damn, sorry L_O_Quent"
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173. "Crap. I just saw this. Sorry homie"
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188. "actually nope, I just a read a shitload about it"
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it's simply an advertising platform inside of apps while my idea is a solution to location based advertising. The only thing this will end up doing is wasting times in my meetings because some big shot is going to assume that he's "in the know" and is throwing me a curve ball.

I missed the liveblog putting the little ones to sleep but read through it and when I got to that part my heart dropped until I realized that it was a OS wide platform with little google-isms about it.

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191. "That's good to hear. "
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Didn't know the specifics of what you were doing but its good to know that they're not encroaching on your territory too much.

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221. "good to hear man. n/m"
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250. "thanks but it's still a headache"
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from this moment on I need a concise answer to why it's not encroaching on my concept and with the information thus far it's not as a concise answer as I'd like. I have about 3 major meetings in the next two weeks and need to map this out pronto.

I understand why they did this--to capitalize off of apps even more-- but this coupled with their hazy app acceptance policy is still going to be annoying as hell. Good news is that this officially kicks off the mobile marketing madness which will speed up VCs in spreading money around aka good for us.

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152. "wait, was that a shameless plug for Toy Story 3? smh."
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158. "yes it was."
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the have a 'corporate relationship'.

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165. "Arright, somebody pull up photoshop. I'm too lazy."
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http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/iphone-os-4-0373-rm-eng.jpg

  

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167. "Too easy. lol"
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174. "oh noes LMFAO"
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184. "done."
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http://i42.tinypic.com/dxhg05.jpg

  

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214. "Perfect. Thanks."
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166. "iPad OS 4.0 in fall. Awful long wait."
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The RDF not fully fermented yet?

  

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171. "Wait... will the update be free?"
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If not they don't want it to be an obvious nickel and dime scenario. also they probably want the 3G iPads to be commonplace already.

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179. "From what I read: 1 free update for iPads"
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free for iPhones
$10 for iPod touch.

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182. "Ah Ok cool... it's a long wait but at least its free"
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by the time the next update (after 4) comes around they should already be putting a 2nd gen iPad out so I guess it makes sense.

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233. "its free cause they knew they were annoucing 4 so closely"
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to launch.

..|.,

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186. "they said it was a 'preview' and I personally"
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want Street Fighter 4 with match making and achievement support.

I can wait.

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168. "OS 4 is for recent devices only:"
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iPhone 3GS
" The 3G and 2nd gen iPod touch will get some stuff" - Giz.
iPod Touch 3rd Gen
iPad

1st gen iPod Touch, 1st gen iPhone left in the cold.

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172. "I love the smell of fragmentation in the morning."
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175. "you had to know that shit was gonna happen."
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177. "yeah"
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that's how they do.

“There was no decision to make as far as multitasking. Some of the earlier hardware can’t support multitasking at all.” – Jobs

the early stuff can't handle it.

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193. "that effin sucks since i have a 3g"
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guess I have to get whatever comes out next

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242. "thats pretty much the idea behind it"
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>guess I have to get whatever comes out next

keep the profits rollin...

  

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170. "I am absolutely appalled at the lack of a notification update"
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That modal dialog UI was doo doo last year when they introduced it and I was 100% positive that they'd fix it this year.

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181. "LOL so u still cant multi-task with IM/Facebook/Twitter??"
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lololololololololol

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185. "Yeah. Because Push notifications works so well."
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lol.

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189. "how specifically are you suggesting this should have been"
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handled?

  

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197. "at the very least, it should be as seamless as push email."
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phase two should be an unobtrusive way of displaying notifications to the user.

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201. "menu bar notifications would be nice"
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though I'm not quite understanding what you mean by "as seamless as push email". Do you mean the application should be able to stay open and collect IMs without the notification box popping up?

  

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205. "correct me if I'm wrong"
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but my understanding is that you guys to to launch your twitter app every time you want it to pull down new tweets.

why can't the app just pull new tweets automatically once an hour or so?

btw, I used the word "push" in my original reply which is incorrect.

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220. "RE: correct me if I'm wrong"
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>but my understanding is that you guys to to launch your
>twitter app every time you want it to pull down new tweets.
>
>why can't the app just pull new tweets automatically once an
>hour or so?

Virtually all Twitter apps can be set to refresh automatically every x amount of minutes while they are open.

Some Twitter apps (Echofon Pro, for example) use push notification to inform you of new @mentions and DMs when the application is closed.

I don't know if OS 4.0 will allow devs to let Twitter apps automatically update the timeline every hour or so using the multitasking APIs if it's left open in the background. We shall see.

>
>btw, I used the word "push" in my original reply which is
>incorrect.

  

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195. "ANDROID IS PEDDLING PORN TO OUR CHILDREN!"
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"11:29AM Ryan Block from GDGT: What about running unsigned apps? Steve:
You know, there's a porn store for Android. Anyone can download them.
You can, your kids can. That's just not a place we want to go."

via Engadget

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/

  

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230. "dirrrty"
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196. "Interesting"
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I can't say I care about any of these features aside from the folders and having one mailbox. Multitasking honestly sounds pointless since most apps remember where you were when you come back to them and the only apps I'd want to run in the background already do (Safari, Mail, iPod). I guess having the MLB app play in the background would be cool, but it can already do that through Safari so I can't say I'm too hype for it.

It honestly just seems like they’re adding features to appease the iPhone haters, but they’re gonna hate regardless because it’s Apple.

Oh, the game thing seems pretty cool, but I wonder how that’s gonna work since there are a lot of games with their own similar services (argon, open feint, etc.)

  

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199. "lmao. RDF in full effect!"
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203. "^proving my second point constantly"
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Thanks, dEs.

  

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206. "these features are improvements over the current iPhone OS, no?"
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I can see if you're not "geeked" over the announcement, but it's wild
to say they only did this stuff to appease "iPhone haters"

the changes to the mail box
the fast-switching
ability to run some apps in the background etc

  

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211. ""
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Yeah, they’re improvements. I’m not arguing that. They just seem to improve things that critics of the phone bitched about more than anything.


>I can see if you're not "geeked" over the announcement, but
>it's wild
>to say they only did this stuff to appease "iPhone haters"
>
>the changes to the mail box
>the fast-switching
>ability to run some apps in the background etc

  

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215. "that's because the critics are often right. "
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>Yeah, they’re improvements. I’m not arguing that. They just
>seem to improve things that critics of the phone bitched about
>more than anything.

lol.

  

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202. "what possible reasoning leads you to believe"
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"they're adding features to appease haters"????


it's IPHONE OWNERS who want nav & music at the same time

pandora & anything at the same time

it's developers who weant that access.

iads puts money in devs pockets even on free apps

so...what's for the haters?


just admit the shit ain't perfect as is, fuck.

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207. "Why not just get a phone with those features?"
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I’m not saying they aren’t nice to have, but they’re nothing that I really care that much about.

If I did I'd buy a different phone.

I could care less about Pandora. I got a phone with a ton of space for music specifically so I DON’T have to listen to the radio. The iPod will play in the background with any other app, so music + whatever has always been available.

I don’t give a fuck about ads.

Shit just seems like it isn’t speaking to me but to people that don’t really have any intention of getting the device in the first place.




I mean, seriously, it has multitasking and copy & paste now…how many of you haters are gonna cop one? Show of hands?




Yeah, thought so.

  

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210. "I won't. but it's not because of the iPhone itself as much "
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as it's about Apple.

The iPhone is a fine phone now that they've addressed most of the issues keep power-users from buying it.

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216. "thanks for showing your roots"
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because in the real world, where i live, and everyone else lives.

LOTS OF PEOPLE USE PANDORA

and most of them are on iphones.

they would all like to use pandora while doing other things.

every. single. one. of. them.

but you're obsessed about "the haters" because platform warz is all that matters to you personally.

the guy behind pandora gets on stage and says they add 30,000 listeners A DAY on iphone, it might be somewhat popular. I don't give a shit what you use, other people like it. people who use iphones. people who want it to run in the background, on their iphone.

my sister who has an iphone was just discussing this with my other sisters when they all realized they use and love pandora, but then she found out they can run it in the background since their phones are on android and webos and blackberry. that's why they use it more than she does.

this is a big deal for developers and iphone users. but yeah, keep talking about the haters and showing how ridiculously out of touch you are with reality.

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223. ""
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I don’t give a fuck what everybody else likes and I was giving my personal impressions of the conference.

I’m supposed to be happy your little sister can listen to Niki Manaj or whatever the fuck kids like nowadays? Yeah, fuck all that noise.

On top of that, if you aren't gonna buy the phone now, what are you even arguing about?

I never thought you’d be trying to convince me that Apple has all the sudden done some incredible shit when it’s just kinda boring to me.

  

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226. "lol. you can't say "they did it to appease the haters""
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and then say "well, i'm only concerned about the things I want"

unless you're a fucking moron.

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239. "I'm sorry, the haters and the many people who"
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need Pandora to work while they're doing something else.

Big whoop. Heck, Pandora could have just ran the audio through Safari the way the MLB app does, then problem solved.

  

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245. "lol. you just don't know shit about what people want"
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or technology, or what would be good to use, or , pretty much anything really.

it's all about the war of the fanboys for you, it's the only thing you cna think about.

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251. "So you're gonna buy an iPhone then now that the fixed it?"
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Is that what you're saying?

  

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261. "is that what I said or implied in any way?"
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oh wait, that's what YOUR dumbass implied on some it's for the haters shit.

no, it's for people who HAVE IPHONES and aren't dumb bitches.

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262. "Are you getting an iPhone now?"
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Check one:
( ) Yes
( ) No


Or, stfu.

  

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209. "To be honest"
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This is more interesting from the iPad perspective than iPhone.

iPhone is a great little Swiss army knife.

But I've never used that many apps at a given time anyway. Having Skype or Pandora in the background will be good. Very good, even. But it's not like it's going to crack open the globe. It's just very, very convenient.

But these new functions could potentially change the iPad seismically.

Multitasking has been a consistent critique of the netbook vs. iPad argument. It's perfectly valid. The way I've been using my iPad is very much how I used to use my vanilla MacBook, but even I get frustrated at having to jump through hoops, or limiting what I'm doing (listening to audio clips while taking notes is fine except when you're listening to it streamed, when suddenly the iPad becomes fucking useless). In addition, things like a unified mailbox (Which is a fucking joke to have taken this long to get) on the iPad means more to me than on the iPhone, where I actually prefer having the emails sequestered, just based off how I use them (MobileMe for business, Gmail for personal, Yahoo for business/school).

I'm much more eager for the fall release of OS 4 than the summer's.

  

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212. "cosign alladat"
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>This is more interesting from the iPad perspective than
>iPhone.
>
>iPhone is a great little Swiss army knife.
>
>But I've never used that many apps at a given time anyway.
>Having Skype or Pandora in the background will be good. Very
>good, even. But it's not like it's going to crack open the
>globe. It's just very, very convenient.
>
>But these new functions could potentially change the iPad
>seismically.
>
>Multitasking has been a consistent critique of the netbook vs.
>iPad argument. It's perfectly valid. The way I've been using
>my iPad is very much how I used to use my vanilla MacBook, but
>even I get frustrated at having to jump through hoops, or
>limiting what I'm doing (listening to audio clips while taking
>notes is fine except when you're listening to it streamed,
>when suddenly the iPad becomes fucking useless). In addition,
>things like a unified mailbox (Which is a fucking joke to have
>taken this long to get) on the iPad means more to me than on
>the iPhone, where I actually prefer having the emails
>sequestered, just based off how I use them (MobileMe for
>business, Gmail for personal, Yahoo for business/school).
>
>I'm much more eager for the fall release of OS 4 than the
>summer's.

  

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219. "well, duh. this makes the ipad almost usable"
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the lack of multitasking for chat and twitter apps is still weird though.

save states and notifacations as they are do not work for everything.

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222. "No, I agree"
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The ubiquitous popup is irritating as shit, and sometimes you have no idea why there's a badge on an app's icon at all.

But I've yet to encounter a perfect OS, which is pretty much the only consolation. In this instance, it's kind of like saying I've never had a girlfriend who didn't try and stab me in the dick, but then, that's essentially the ideas.

Thus far, the iPad fills the niche that I wanted that eee 901 to fill. If the user experience fails, I'll be disappointed, but the device is cheap enough that I'll have minimum buyer's remorse.

I'm anxiously awaiting the first virus for this OS, which, given it's dearth of security features, will be in about seven weeks. Seven weeks if I'm lucky.

  

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213. "Here's my unsubstantiated hate bomb for this thread:"
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The only reason they enabled multitasking for apps was so that they could get iAds to work properly. Prove me wrong!

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225. "Shit, that's not hate. That's probably exactly right."
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217. "So, I give it a week before Im able to dl it off the torrents?"
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Maybe two?

  

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227. "it verifies itself, I dunno if that can be gotten around"
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218. "oh. so, what's the deal with these 1,500 new API's for developers?"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-unveiled-shipping-this-summer/

  

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224. "here."
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http://developer.apple.com/technologies/iphone/whats-new.html

  

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228. "What does multitasking look like? "
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http://gizmodo.com/5512782/iphone-os-4-first-video

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234. "so it knows when to quit background apps?"
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11:40AM Q: How do you close applications when multitasking? A: (Scott) You don't have to. The user just uses things and doesn't ever have to worry about it. (Steve) It's like we said on the iPad, if you see a stylus, they blew it. In multitasking, if you see a task manager... they blew it. Users shouldn't ever have to think about it.

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235. "for what it's worth, that's how Android works."
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although in practice, things can get a bit ugly when you're on a RAM constrained device (G1).

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236. "can you force quit things?"
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237. "Yes, according to this Endgaget video:"
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-hands-on/

  

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238. "yeah there's an option to do it."
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it's hidden deep in a menu because it's not encouraged.

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240. "the video is up on apple.com and itunes."
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243. "...and now they've banned a bunch of 3rd part dev tools."
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This affects more than just Adobe, btw. What a bunch of assholes

http://mashable.com/2010/04/08/apple-adobe-flash-compiler/
The Apple-Adobe War Escalates: Using Flash to Build iPhone Apps Banned

Today, Apple revised its iPhone Developer Program License Agreement to effectively ban the use of the Flash-to-iPhone converter.

Throughout 2010, Steve Jobs and Apple made it very clear that they do not like Adobe. At all. They prominently left Flash off the iPad, instead promoting HTML5 at every opportunity.

For some time now, though, Adobe’s had a tool to circumvent Apple’s ban on Flash for the iPhone and iPad: the Adobe Creative Suite 5 Flash-to-iPhone converter, which would have allowed developers to create apps in Flash and then port them over into iPhone.

The new change to the iPhone Developer Program License Agreement, which comes as part of the release of the new iPhone OS SDK for developers, changes all that. Originally section 3.3.1 was only a sentence long, but now it has gained several more.

Here’s the new wording of the policy in question:

“3.3.1 — Applications may only use Documented APIs in the manner prescribed by Apple and must not use or call any private APIs. Applications must be originally written in Objective-C, C, C++, or JavaScript as executed by the iPhone OS WebKit engine, and only code written in C, C++, and Objective-C may compile and directly link against the Documented APIs (e.g., Applications that link to Documented APIs through an intermediary translation or compatibility layer or tool are prohibited).”

As Daring Fireball’s John Gruber points out, the new language almost certainly means that cross-compilers are banned — you have to build iPhone apps within Apple’s pre-approved programming languages or watch your app be denied access to Apple’s app stores.

Given Apple’s history with Adobe, it’s very likely that this change was a direct assault on Adobe, whose CS5 suite prominently advertises the Flash-to-iPhone compiler as a feature. By neutering it, Apple deals another blow to Flash. It’s also a major setback for any developers that were building iPhone apps with Flash as a backbone — they almost certainly have to start from square one.

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246. "yeah THAT'S fucked up."
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can't wait to see how the fans explain this one "we only want natively developed apps anyway LESS CRAPWARE PORTS !?!?!?!?!"

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247. "wooooooooow"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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248. "NGCCOTPBJ."
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252. "makes perfect sense from a business perspective"
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adobe trying to commoditize the smartphone market to increase demand for their product (and any other non-hardware-vendor product), apple crushed them. why would apple let the exact same thing that killed the original mac happen again

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253. "Huh?"
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>adobe trying to commoditize the smartphone market to increase
>demand for their product (and any other non-hardware-vendor
>product), apple crushed them. why would apple let the exact
>same thing that killed the original mac happen again

This made no sense.

Adobe created a feature that's been pretty ubiquitous in web design for YEARS. How is that 'commoditizing the smartphone market to increase demand for their product'.

Mobile version webpages became popular because of the inferior processing power of cellphones; this is changing, and to expect a cellphone to run a web page pretty just like your computer at home is fast approaching tech wise, so really it's a moot point. And while flash is responsible for some horrible abuse of webcoding, Job's acting like he's a white knight saving us from the evils of flash is bullshit.

What makes this interesting is the fact that Adobe and Apple have a unique relationship, Adobe ain't no random third party. Hell during those lean years if Adobe didn't traditionally put a heavier focus on Apple computers as opposed to Windows I don't think the company would exist in 2010.

  

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263. "adobe are creating a feature to build multi-platform apps"
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ie. you program in Adobe's IDE then it will compile it into an iPhone app, an Android app, a Java app or whatever. Adobe would like it if the hardware devices their business depended on were mere commodities, rather than a propriety platform controlled by another company. By releasing this product, they threaten to create a multi-platform standard where which particular phone you have is irrelevant. Apple do not want to be irrelevant, they want to control a platform and maintain their 30% profit margins, not enter into a commodity-phone free for all with small profit margins. Quite simply they are wise to nip this in the bud.

It's like when Microsoft shafted IBM by licencing their OS to anyone else who wanted it, making IBM just another PC company. Google of course are doing even more damage (to Apple in this case) by licencing their OS to anyone for FREE.

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264. "Nah, its retarded"
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Apple won't be irrelevant, it's their way of forcing app exclusivity in a pretty retarded way: it just puts developers under pressure to now have to create two vastly different source codes for the same app.

Which they would do anyway, cause at least in the videogame wars the hardware manufacturers throw millions of dollars to keep games exclusive, Apples just throwing in wrenches that just aggravate but won't stop them from making multiplatform versions to maximize their dollar. Hell, if the playing field starts to get level, it might cause developers to skip an iphone version alltogether since it seems most coders aren't satisfied with that format.

And the thing is, id understand if it was another player, but this is ADOBE we are talking about, whos products have pretty much propped up the Mac Platform for decades. Its not as if Mac's are just naturally great at graphic design, all that was built on Adobe's blood sweat and tears. If they wanted to cut apple off at the balls...



>ie. you program in Adobe's IDE then it will compile it into
>an iPhone app, an Android app, a Java app or whatever. Adobe
>would like it if the hardware devices their business depended
>on were mere commodities, rather than a propriety platform
>controlled by another company. By releasing this product, they
>threaten to create a multi-platform standard where which
>particular phone you have is irrelevant. Apple do not want to
>be irrelevant, they want to control a platform and maintain
>their 30% profit margins, not enter into a commodity-phone
>free for all with small profit margins. Quite simply they are
>wise to nip this in the bud.
>
>It's like when Microsoft shafted IBM by licencing their OS to
>anyone else who wanted it, making IBM just another PC company.
>Google of course are doing even more damage (to Apple in this
>case) by licencing their OS to anyone for FREE.

  

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265. "RE: Nah, its retarded"
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>Apple won't be irrelevant, it's their way of forcing app
>exclusivity in a pretty retarded way: it just puts developers
>under pressure to now have to create two vastly different
>source codes for the same app.
>

Apple have no way whatsoever of 'forcing' app exclusivity (except for their own apps), all they can do is like you said put developers under pressure to focus on the iPhone at the expense of other platforms. You answered your own question.

>Which they would do anyway, cause at least in the videogame
>wars the hardware manufacturers throw millions of dollars to
>keep games exclusive,

hence why the PS3 and XBOX360 are now basically the same thing, while Nintendo laughs all the way to the bank
(but lets not get sidetracked into another debate here)

Apples just throwing in wrenches that
>just aggravate but won't stop them from making multiplatform
>versions to maximize their dollar. Hell, if the playing field
>starts to get level, it might cause developers to skip an
>iphone version alltogether since it seems most coders aren't
>satisfied with that format.
>

don't you see the whole point is to STOP the playing fields getting level. at the moment, with iPhone comfortably leading the App market, any developer wanting to 'maximize their dollar' will give priority to the iPhone, UNLESS they can use something like Adobe's IDE which makes all platforms equal from the dev's perspective. Apple are leveraging their market lead to create a more comfortable future for their business - i mean you expect them to throw that advantage away?

>And the thing is, id understand if it was another player, but
>this is ADOBE we are talking about, whos products have pretty
>much propped up the Mac Platform for decades. Its not as if
>Mac's are just naturally great at graphic design, all that was
>built on Adobe's blood sweat and tears. If they wanted to cut
>apple off at the balls...
>
>

well that would be a nice 'fight the power' move from Adobe but since Adobe are not a crew of open-source hax0rs but rather a successful business, they'd realize there's no point in throwing away good money over some symbolic gesture. Apple out-maneuvered them, Apple hold all the cards, no point crying about it.


>
>>ie. you program in Adobe's IDE then it will compile it into
>>an iPhone app, an Android app, a Java app or whatever. Adobe
>>would like it if the hardware devices their business
>depended
>>on were mere commodities, rather than a propriety platform
>>controlled by another company. By releasing this product,
>they
>>threaten to create a multi-platform standard where which
>>particular phone you have is irrelevant. Apple do not want
>to
>>be irrelevant, they want to control a platform and maintain
>>their 30% profit margins, not enter into a commodity-phone
>>free for all with small profit margins. Quite simply they
>are
>>wise to nip this in the bud.
>>
>>It's like when Microsoft shafted IBM by licencing their OS
>to
>>anyone else who wanted it, making IBM just another PC
>company.
>>Google of course are doing even more damage (to Apple in
>this
>>case) by licencing their OS to anyone for FREE.
>

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If tomorrow Adobe said they were going to focus their development dollars on the Windows versions of their products, it would be a nuclear bomb to Apple's home computer division. Adobe can survive without Apple, I don't know if that works out visa versa.

Even Apple's hold in the cellphone market is up for grabs, because RIM still has more blackberries out there and Android is making inroads.

Yes, if someone makes an App, focusing on the iphone version is a no brainer, and now they've made it so its difficult to port it over after the fact. But there are no 'killer apps' in the itunes store, while the selection is nice it's not as if there's anything offered in the store to make someone switch. So what Apple's done is annoy one of their major supporters, in hopes of keeping a lead by making it more difficult for developers to make multiplatform apps, something which they would do no matter what barriers apple puts in place depending on how the market goes.



>>Apple won't be irrelevant, it's their way of forcing app
>>exclusivity in a pretty retarded way: it just puts
>developers
>>under pressure to now have to create two vastly different
>>source codes for the same app.
>>
>
>Apple have no way whatsoever of 'forcing' app exclusivity
>(except for their own apps), all they can do is like you said
>put developers under pressure to focus on the iPhone at the
>expense of other platforms. You answered your own question.
>
>>Which they would do anyway, cause at least in the videogame
>>wars the hardware manufacturers throw millions of dollars to
>>keep games exclusive,
>
>hence why the PS3 and XBOX360 are now basically the same
>thing, while Nintendo laughs all the way to the bank
>(but lets not get sidetracked into another debate here)
>
> Apples just throwing in wrenches that
>>just aggravate but won't stop them from making multiplatform
>>versions to maximize their dollar. Hell, if the playing
>field
>>starts to get level, it might cause developers to skip an
>>iphone version alltogether since it seems most coders aren't
>>satisfied with that format.
>>
>
>don't you see the whole point is to STOP the playing fields
>getting level. at the moment, with iPhone comfortably leading
>the App market, any developer wanting to 'maximize their
>dollar' will give priority to the iPhone, UNLESS they can use
>something like Adobe's IDE which makes all platforms equal
>from the dev's perspective. Apple are leveraging their market
>lead to create a more comfortable future for their business -
>i mean you expect them to throw that advantage away?
>
>>And the thing is, id understand if it was another player,
>but
>>this is ADOBE we are talking about, whos products have
>pretty
>>much propped up the Mac Platform for decades. Its not as if
>>Mac's are just naturally great at graphic design, all that
>was
>>built on Adobe's blood sweat and tears. If they wanted to
>cut
>>apple off at the balls...
>>
>>
>
>well that would be a nice 'fight the power' move from Adobe
>but since Adobe are not a crew of open-source hax0rs but
>rather a successful business, they'd realize there's no point
>in throwing away good money over some symbolic gesture. Apple
>out-maneuvered them, Apple hold all the cards, no point crying
>about it.
>
>
>>
>>>ie. you program in Adobe's IDE then it will compile it into
>>>an iPhone app, an Android app, a Java app or whatever.
>Adobe
>>>would like it if the hardware devices their business
>>depended
>>>on were mere commodities, rather than a propriety platform
>>>controlled by another company. By releasing this product,
>>they
>>>threaten to create a multi-platform standard where which
>>>particular phone you have is irrelevant. Apple do not want
>>to
>>>be irrelevant, they want to control a platform and maintain
>>>their 30% profit margins, not enter into a commodity-phone
>>>free for all with small profit margins. Quite simply they
>>are
>>>wise to nip this in the bud.
>>>
>>>It's like when Microsoft shafted IBM by licencing their OS
>>to
>>>anyone else who wanted it, making IBM just another PC
>>company.
>>>Google of course are doing even more damage (to Apple in
>>this
>>>case) by licencing their OS to anyone for FREE.
>>
>

  

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268. "basically apple is saying they think they can't be fucked with"
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so now the next two years we'll have to see if they can prove it.

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270. "it would hurt Adobe more than Apple, so they wont do it"
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>If tomorrow Adobe said they were going to focus their
>development dollars on the Windows versions of their products,
>it would be a nuclear bomb to Apple's home computer division.
>Adobe can survive without Apple, I don't know if that works
>out visa versa.
>

it would also be a nuclear bomb to Adobe's customer loyalty. Frustrating developers = whatever; frustrating customers = suicidal.

>Even Apple's hold in the cellphone market is up for grabs,
>because RIM still has more blackberries out there and Android
>is making inroads.
>

which is precisely what Apple are trying to stop

>Yes, if someone makes an App, focusing on the iphone version
>is a no brainer, and now they've made it so its difficult to
>port it over after the fact. But there are no 'killer apps'
>in the itunes store, while the selection is nice it's not as
>if there's anything offered in the store to make someone
>switch. So what Apple's done is annoy one of their major
>supporters, in hopes of keeping a lead by making it more
>difficult for developers to make multiplatform apps, something
>which they would do no matter what barriers apple puts in
>place depending on how the market goes.
>
>

'annoy' is an emotion and it ultimately has no relevance
yes, Adobe execs will be annoyed, but it will not affect their business decisions whatsoever, they will not kill off revenue streams and damage their reputation. Apple, of course, know this.

the killer app for the iPhone is the AppStore, and the killer app for the AppStore is making $$$. Apple's competitors may be selling a lot of phones but they aren't seeing nearly as many App transactions as iPhone

It makes ZERO SENSE for a market leader to embrace a standard that puts it on an even footing with every other vendor. It's the same reason Apple never allowed Java on the iPhone, only difference is Java predated the iPhone. What would be the point of owning an expensive iPhone if it was just a shiny JVM. Who would use Cocoa Touch/ObjC if all they needed was Java.

>
>>>Apple won't be irrelevant, it's their way of forcing app
>>>exclusivity in a pretty retarded way: it just puts
>>developers
>>>under pressure to now have to create two vastly different
>>>source codes for the same app.
>>>
>>
>>Apple have no way whatsoever of 'forcing' app exclusivity
>>(except for their own apps), all they can do is like you
>said
>>put developers under pressure to focus on the iPhone at the
>>expense of other platforms. You answered your own question.
>>
>>>Which they would do anyway, cause at least in the videogame
>>>wars the hardware manufacturers throw millions of dollars
>to
>>>keep games exclusive,
>>
>>hence why the PS3 and XBOX360 are now basically the same
>>thing, while Nintendo laughs all the way to the bank
>>(but lets not get sidetracked into another debate here)
>>
>> Apples just throwing in wrenches that
>>>just aggravate but won't stop them from making
>multiplatform
>>>versions to maximize their dollar. Hell, if the playing
>>field
>>>starts to get level, it might cause developers to skip an
>>>iphone version alltogether since it seems most coders
>aren't
>>>satisfied with that format.
>>>
>>
>>don't you see the whole point is to STOP the playing fields
>>getting level. at the moment, with iPhone comfortably
>leading
>>the App market, any developer wanting to 'maximize their
>>dollar' will give priority to the iPhone, UNLESS they can
>use
>>something like Adobe's IDE which makes all platforms equal
>>from the dev's perspective. Apple are leveraging their
>market
>>lead to create a more comfortable future for their business
>-
>>i mean you expect them to throw that advantage away?
>>
>>>And the thing is, id understand if it was another player,
>>but
>>>this is ADOBE we are talking about, whos products have
>>pretty
>>>much propped up the Mac Platform for decades. Its not as
>if
>>>Mac's are just naturally great at graphic design, all that
>>was
>>>built on Adobe's blood sweat and tears. If they wanted to
>>cut
>>>apple off at the balls...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>well that would be a nice 'fight the power' move from Adobe
>>but since Adobe are not a crew of open-source hax0rs but
>>rather a successful business, they'd realize there's no
>point
>>in throwing away good money over some symbolic gesture.
>Apple
>>out-maneuvered them, Apple hold all the cards, no point
>crying
>>about it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>ie. you program in Adobe's IDE then it will compile it
>into
>>>>an iPhone app, an Android app, a Java app or whatever.
>>Adobe
>>>>would like it if the hardware devices their business
>>>depended
>>>>on were mere commodities, rather than a propriety platform
>>>>controlled by another company. By releasing this product,
>>>they
>>>>threaten to create a multi-platform standard where which
>>>>particular phone you have is irrelevant. Apple do not want
>>>to
>>>>be irrelevant, they want to control a platform and
>maintain
>>>>their 30% profit margins, not enter into a commodity-phone
>>>>free for all with small profit margins. Quite simply they
>>>are
>>>>wise to nip this in the bud.
>>>>
>>>>It's like when Microsoft shafted IBM by licencing their OS
>>>to
>>>>anyone else who wanted it, making IBM just another PC
>>>company.
>>>>Google of course are doing even more damage (to Apple in
>>>this
>>>>case) by licencing their OS to anyone for FREE.
>>>
>>
>

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273. "Disagree on that Apple vs Adobe scenario"
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Adobe is THEE standard in graphic design with nobody in second, third, fourth or even fifth place, Iphone isn't. Companies will be mad, but companies will eventually follow where they go

Everything else, we will just have to see play out.

  

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255. "Ice cold. The line in the grove have been drawn."
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Learn cocoa touch or GTFOH. You wanna play on the iDevice App world, play by Steven P. Jobs' rules or GTFOH. That whack-a-mole Flash CS5 port you made (lazily) is gone, Clarence.

It's all about control. Tight vice-grip control. Is it right? No, hundreds maybe thousands of small developers where kneecapped hard, HARD and will have to learn cocoa touch or not make iPhone software. People have left jobs to be iPhone developers and have now been effectively fired. This is very inconvenient and will piss of a lot of people.

There's always Android, webOS, BB and Windows Mobile 7. iPhone isn't the only platform.

iPhone is the most popular mobile platform ever. With the large amount pissed off devs the virii should be arriving soon, since they don't know cocoa touch or objective C, maybe not.

RDF.

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257. "iphone is not the most popular platform ever."
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269. "you left out the adjective, 'mobile'."
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and yes it is.

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271. "still, I think you're wrong. go ahead and post up some stats."
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do it.
do it.
do it.

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281. "im pretty sure its symbian. and by a longshot"
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n/m

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256. "Apple's going to end up losing this mobile device war"
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the same way they dropped the ball on personal computers in the 1980s.

  

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258. "this."
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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259. "Mark my words; by 2020, Android will be ubiquitous"
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and iPhones will be a niche market...unless they severely change how they bully their developers and users.

I mean, I think my iPhone is great, but because of the third party apps that are available for it, not because of the device itself. If the right devs start jumping ship, it will be a problem.

  

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260. "By 2020? Shit"
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I'd be really surprised if cell phones exist the way they do now in 10 years.

  

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266. "Android will eclipse iPhone OS by 2015 easily"
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but yeah ubiquitous by 2020 seems fair.

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272. "nobody's making money on the android store"
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that's the key differentiator. people are getting rich writing for the iphone. if i was a developer i could handle getting my app rejected two or three times if it meant i was going to make actual cash for my work.

  

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280. "well, can't someone sue or something?"
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This has to be at least partially illegal.

  

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313. "they're gonna try (swipe)"
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/13/blogger_insists_adobe_will_sue_apple_over_cs4_iphone_app_tools.html

Blogger insists Adobe will sue Apple over CS4 iPhone app tools

By Daniel Eran Dilger
Published: 07:00 PM EST

A security blogger cited unnamed sources to claim that Adobe has plans in place to sue Apple over its decision to block the use of Flash Professional to create iPhone apps.

The blogger, known as "sjvn," writes for ITWorld, part of the IDG Network. He predicted the issue will "blow up in Apple's face," and cited "sources close to Adobe" as saying that Adobe "will be suing Apple within a few weeks."

After reviewing the recent details of conflict between Apple and Adobe over support Flash on the iPhone and in creating iPhone apps, "sjvn" concluded, "unless things change drastically between Apple and Adobe in the next few weeks, from what I'm hearing you can expect to see Adobe taking Apple to court over the issue. It's not going to be pretty."

It's not clear what exactly Adobe would be suing Apple over. Apple has apparently never contracted in bad faith with Adobe to co-deliver Flash on the iPhone, nor did the company approve or endorse or in any way guarantee that Adobe's efforts to skirt the existing restrictions in the iPhone SDK would result in commercial success.

Apple on Flash: not good enough

Instead, Apple has maintained a clear, unchanging position since the iPhone first appeared that Adobe's desktop Flash platform was not suited for use on mobiles, while its Flash Lite platform failed to support the kind of Flash content users would expect of it.

Adobe did not deliver a mobile version of Flash Player until version 10.0 for Android last summer, but that version still didn't play most of the content users would encounter on the web.

Only the latest 10.1 Flash Player, which is still under development, can play most desktop Flash content on mobiles. However, it requires a Cortex A8-class processor, meaning that even if Apple wanted to bundle it, it could only work on the latest iPhone 3GS.

Adobe's mobile Flash Player 10.1 is targeted at Palm's webOS and Google's Android, with a version planned for Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 7 and eventually RIM's BlackBerry OS. On any platform, it can only run on the latest phones sold over the past several months.

Apple has been selling the iPhone for three years now, and has never even had the option to bundle a version of Flash until just recently. It would be hard to imagine how Adobe could claim any legal right to demand that Apple support its monopoly position in desktop dynamic web content playback.

Apple's progressive iPhone platform

Adobe's alternative strategy, which brainstormed the concept of using Flash Professional to create native iPhone apps as a way for Flash developers to port their existing content to the App Store, was similarly never something Apple said it would support. Instead, while Adobe worked on adding support to its Flash development tools to create apps that could run on iPhone 3.0 devices, Apple was busy working to finish iPhone 4.0, which is expected to ship in roughly two months.

At that point, Apple will want to rapidly shift its developers from iPhone 3.0 to iPhone 4.0-savvy apps within iTunes, just as it worked to quickly transition iPhone App Store titles to iPhone 3.0 last year.

However, if a significant number of App Store titles are built using third party tools (such as Flash Professional) that do not support the new iPhone 4.0 APIs, including features such as multitasking and new enterprise APIs, Apple's ability to quickly shift users to the new OS and its capacity to push developers to support its new features will be severely impaired.

This all happened before

Apple ran into similar problems back in the early 90s, when all the application developers that had started their businesses on the Macintosh began seeking lowest common denominator ways to sell their apps to both Mac users and Windows PC users. This resulted in developers largely ignoring all the new features Apple developed for the Mac OS, including QuickDraw GX and PowerTalk.

Rather than developing apps for the Mac, developers such as Microsoft and Adobe began creating their own internal platforms that then tacked a Mac-native front end onto their new general purpose code. The result was that Apple suddenly became powerless to push its third party Mac developers to support the platform's unique features, resulting in increasingly less differentiation between the Mac and Windows PCs.

Ten years later, Apple similarly had a difficult time trying to convince its third party developers to natively support its new Mac OS X operating system. Adobe refused to bring many of its Mac apps to the new Carbon environment Apple created expressly to facilitate easy porting to Mac OS X; among the list of apps that never made the transition were FrameMaker and Premiere. Adobe didn't even bring Photoshop to Mac OS X as a native app until 2005.

Similarly, while Adobe joined Apple on stage in announcing the migration of the Mac to Intel in 2005, Adobe didn't release a Universal Binary version of its core apps until early 2007. The company never updated its existing Creative Suite 2 apps, nor the Studio 8 suite it had acquired from Macromedia.

In the future, Apple doesn't want to be forced to wait a few years for Adobe to get up to speed on its development plans. For the iPhone OS, Apple has established a rapid development cycle that demands that its app developers stay current with the latest firmware. They can't do that if they're tied to a third party development platform like Flash Professional, which is likely to lag Apple's own Xcode tools by months or even a year or more.

That being the case, it's hard to fathom how Adobe could invent a legal claim to force Apple to do anything to support its efforts to produce iPhone apps using alternative development tools.

Apple's chief executive Steve Jobs reportedly explained the situation to a user by writing, "we've been there before, and intermediate layers between the platform and the developer ultimately produces sub-standard apps and hinders the progress of the platform."

  

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274. "related to multitasking (swipe)"
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/09/apples_prohibition_of_flash_built_apps_in_iphone_4_0_related_to_multitasking.html

The primary reason for the change, say sources familiar with Apple's plans, is to support sophisticated new multitasking APIs in iPhone 4.0. The system will now be evaluating apps as they run in order to implement smart multitasking. It can't do this if apps are running within a runtime or are cross compiled with a foreign structure that doesn't behave identically to a native C/C++/Obj-C app.

  

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275. "bullshit."
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First of all, they now need to support legacy apps which don't handle multitasking (for the 1g-3g iphones).

Second you reject an app based on how it runs, not on the tools that were used to create it. There is no evidence that the existing and upcoming tools won't be able to work within the requirements of 4.0 apps.

Also, these guys clearly don't understand how multitasking works on Android.

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276. "RE: bullshit."
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>First of all, they now need to support legacy apps which
>don't handle multitasking (for the 1g-3g iphones).

there won't be legacy apps. apple will require all developers to make their apps compliant with 4.0 on its release, the same way they did with 3.0.

edit - what i should have said is that the only legacy apps after 4.0 comes out are going to be the ones on people's phones. all apps in the app store on the day of the release are going to have to be compliant with 4.0.

  

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279. "when I say legacy I mean compatible witht he OG iphones"
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the ones that don't multitask.

Besides, you're wrong. Steve's just being a douche:

http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/10/steve-jobs-responds-to-iphone-sdk-complaints-intermediate-layers-produce-sub-standard-apps/

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277. "some dev will probably test this MythBuster's style"
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so, we'll know pretty soon whether the reasoning is legit

  

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283. "background info on the Adobe/Apple relationship"
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http://innerdaemon.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/sorry-adobe-you-screwed-yourself/

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284. "many, if not most, Adobe employees use Macs"
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and the Adobe creative suite has been crucial for Macs & vice versa

"The majority of Apple supporters have traditionally been users of
Adobe software. Almost everyone I know at Adobe uses a MacBook Pro and
carries around an iPhone. Adobe employees have consistently stated*
that they’d like to work with Apple to address any concerns over Flash
and their iProducts. Apples recent actions are an affront to their
traditional user base. What reason would there be for a company to
turn against its foundation user base? Insanity."

http://inflagrantedelicto.memoryspiral.com/2010/04/steve-jobs-and-apple-insane-or-just-evil/

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94t0L3Z6blo

it's almost surreal to watch this video (Adobe products
being demo'd to show off their HTML5 capabilities on a mac):
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/10/sneak_peek_ai_fl_dw_canvas.html

and then hear people suggest that either company "hates" the other

the unofficial Adobe comment is practically written in tears
pleading for Apple to come to its senses

http://theflashblog.com/?p=1888

"Adobe and Apple has had a long relationship and each has helped the
other get where they are today. The fact that Apple would make such a
hostile and despicable move like this clearly shows the difference
between our two companies. All we want is to provide creative
professionals an avenue to deploy their work to as many devices as
possible. We are not looking to kill anything or anyone. This would
be like us putting something in our SDK to make it impossible for
3rd-party editors like FDT to work with our platform. I can tell you
that we wouldn’t even think or consider something like that."

"Many of Adobe’s supporters have mentioned that we should discontinue
the Creative Suite products on OS X as a form of retaliation. Again,
this is something that Adobe would never consider in a million years.
We are not looking to abuse our loyal users and make them pawns for
the sake of trying to hurt another company. What is clear is that
Apple most definitely would do that sort of thing as is evidenced by
their recent behavior."

no amount of plea-copping can hide the fact that this is ultimately
a power move by Apple aimed at dissuading people from developing
for other platforms

  

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i have no idea what the Apple/Adobe relationship is myself (not the sort of thing i keep tabs on) but this report seems to have a lot of facts (and i didn't see any refutals) which tell a story, rather than just some vague blood-brothers notion (besides, i bet most people at ANY computer company walk about with iPhones)

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>no amount of plea-copping can hide the fact that this is
>ultimately
>a power move by Apple aimed at dissuading people from
>developing
>for other platforms

there has BEEN no plea-copping to disguise this fact (well, ok, there's been one or two)
the argument is mainly between people who REALIZE this is a 'power-move' (translation: sensible business decision) and the people screaming that Steve Jobs has gone 'insane' or apple want to 'hurt' their developers or Apple are Big Brother or any other number of irrational interpretations of the situation

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http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/04/10/five-tremendous-apple-vs-adobe-flash-myths/

Five Tremendous Apple vs. Adobe Flash Myths

April 10th, 2010

Proponents of Adobe Flash insist that Apple’s iPhone 4.0 restrictions amount to “restraint of trade,” that the company’s Flash platform covers the vast majority of computers, that Adobe doesn’t need Apple and could bury it by cutting off its apps for the Mac in retaliation, that Apple really owes Adobe a hand, and that by not offering Flash, Apple is violating a universal doctrine demanding Choice. They’re wrong, here’s why.
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Ready for a roller coaster of emotionalist tirades directed at Apple? The Flash Brigade is out in full force, so there’s no asking for clarification or analytical thoughtfulness going on, just a lot of malicious motives being hastily attributed based on a series of conspiracy theory assumptions. Buckle up.

Myth 1: Apple’s great ‘restraint of trade’

The first argument being thrown at Apple is that its new restriction on the source languages that can be used to link to its iPhone SDK APIs is a “restraint of trade,” apparently because Apple has a legal obligation to support third parties who want to apply their tools to build iPhone apps.

Never mind that such accusations have never been thrown about when the subject was developing titles for the Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation 3, or any other game console. Those developers must not only use the languages and tools the vendor outlines, but typically must also pay thousands of dollars for licensing fees, specialized development hardware, and jump through a variety of other hoops.

The same people who seem so morally outraged about about Apple’s still minority share of the smartphone market (in terms of hardware units sold), seemed completely cool with Microsoft’s reign over the entire PC market, which it micromanaged in meticulous detail, telling PC makers what hardware they could and could not sell, what software they could not bundle, and so on.

If Android had a nickel for every “developer” who threatened out of rage to run to that platform every time Apple enacted a new policy, that hobbyist platform could probably afford to buy itself a real game.

Myth 2: Flash is ubiquitous

Adobe likes to say that 96% of all computers in the US have Flash installed. What it doesn’t say is that more than 60% of all smartphone web traffic, and 96% of all “Mobile Internet Device” (that’s a euphemism for “iPod touch”) traffic doesn’t run Flash at all.

Additionally, it’s not as if Adobe had created a great mobile Flash platform and Apple stomped all over it to be mean. Adobe didn’t have a mobile version of Flash that could even play Flash videos until Flash Lite 3 appeared, well after the release of the iPhone. Even then, that product couldn’t run most of the Flash content created for desktop PCs.

Adobe didn’t pass that hurdle until last summer, when it introduced an early version of Flash Player 10 for Android. But that version still doesn’t play back everything the PC version does. The latest 10.1 version for mobiles is supposed to do better, but it’s still in demo stages and requires a Cortex A8 class processor, meaning it only runs on Android or webOS devices from the last several months.

If Apple supported this, it could only run on the iPhone 3GS. So Adobe’s mobile strategy is actually just now emerging. Apple has been selling the iPhone for three full years now. There was no suitable version of Flash to sell, so Apple made its own plans.

To hear from the tech media people who feed from the Adobe propaganda machine like ducks being force fed for foie gras, you’d think Adobe has had a real mobile strategy all this time and Apple has just been playing the role of a conniving obstructionist.

The truth is that it’s Adobe’s fault there’s no Flash on the majority of mobiles, because the company was completely happy just misleading the world of pundits while talking instead of doing. Well it’s not 2007 anymore, it’s 2010, and that’s three years of work that everyone else has put into HTML5.

Adobe hasn’t done anything to earn the rights to cram the Internet back into the Flash box it likes to sit upon as it collects taxes from those creating content that only plays back via Adobe’s own players. Adobe never been on top of things in the mobile world, and the desktop version is not exactly doing all that much anymore either. As companies shift their resources from everything Flash to HTML5, Adobe’s desktop monopoly over interactive content will rapidly erode. It’s not Apple’s fault that’s happening, it’s Adobe’s.

Why Apple is betting on HTML 5: a web history

Myth 3: Adobe’s gonna get Apple

With Apple making no effort to bail Adobe out from the consequences of its own incompetence, the Flash Brigade is calling for a merciless reaction from Adobe. Perhaps the company will give up a huge chunk of its Creative Suite sales by snubbing Mac users?

That’s what Microsoft did when it realized Apple was now competing against it in productivity apps. Look at how much money Microsoft saved by not developing Mac versions of Office 2008 and 2010. Oh wait, Microsoft did develop generations of Office for Mac even though Apple is now selling iWork. Microsoft made lots of money selling Office for Mac.

And that’s why Adobe will keep selling Creative Suite for Macs. Adobe can make lots of money even while it snubs Mac users, so why would it stop making money to snub Mac users? Adobe is also rolling out new apps for iPad and iPhone. Clearly, the company is around to make money, not to behave like a 15 year old girl dramatizing her contempt for those who have offended her in some fashion. Somebody tell the Internet.

Sorry Flash Brigade, Adobe isn’t about to retaliate against Apple. The reason Adobe is talking is because that’s all it can do at this point after screwing up its mobile strategy and failing to anticipate years ago where computing was headed and what changes it needed to make. It’s not Apple’s job to keep Adobe in business.

Office Wars 3 – How Microsoft Got Its Office Monopoly

Myth 4: Apple owes Adobe a living

The Flash Brigade also likes to tell tales about how Adobe (like Microsoft) lovingly rescued Apple back when the company was having hard times, so Apple should be paying Adobe back by establishing Flash as the proprietary alternative to open web standards.

This is curious (or perhaps hilarious) because Adobe’s support for Apple has long been just as money motivated as Macromedia and Microsoft. Back when Apple wanted its major developers to embrace NeXTSTEP and port their existing code to a modern new API that would solve a lot of the old problems with the Classic Mac OS, it got nothing but blank stares from all threes of those “partners.”

Had they invested in Apple’s plans, we’d have gotten a Mac OS X with the sophistication of the iPhone back in 1998, rather than living through a decade of Apple building Carbon and then weaning its developers off it. Adobe and Macromedia helped delay Apple’s plans for a decade just so they could safely make money selling Mac users less sophisticated software.

When Apple turned itself around, it was no longer in a position to beg for the support of companies like Adobe and Macromedia and Microsoft. It has begun telling developers what to do. It told Adobe that if it wanted to build 64-bit Mac apps, it would need to do it using Cocoa. Adobe balked for a while, pushing off the 64-bit port of Creative Suite for the Mac by a year and a half. This spring, Adobe will finally get portions of Creative Suite apps to Cocoa, just a decade plus a few years after Apple asked the first time.

The only thing Apple owes Adobe is decade of torturous knuckle dragging. Let’s see if Flash is still around in 2020. Maybe Steve Jobs will accommodate Adobe by throwing in a version of Flash with iPhone OS 14 as payback for Adobe sticking it out like a trouper.

Cocoa and the Death of Yellow Box and Rhapsody

Myth 5: Apple should just solve Adobe’s problems by offering Choice

With hearts bleeding more dramatically than even the most tortured religious figures ever imagined under centuries of Christendom, the Flash Brigade next insists that no matter how justified Apple is in restricting its own platform, no matter how incompetent Adobe was in screwing up mobile Flash, without regard for how powerless Adobe is to demand that anything really change, and ignoring how awful Adobe and Macromedia were to Apple in the past, it’s Apple’s duty, no, moral obligation, to support Flash as a Choice.

That’s because a variety of Choices are always preferable to a subset of ideal options. Who needs a web based on open, interoperable standards when you can have the Choice of all dynamic content being locked up in Flash? What a wonderful option.

I know when I plant a garden, I don’t do any weeding first because I want to give all forms of life an equal opportunity to spread and benefit from my efforts and irrigation. If I just planted vegetables and herbs, I’d only have things that were good. Why not also have the weeds that are already here? By not weeding, I get the things I want to grow AND the option of weeds. Who cares if those weeds will choke out any positive development and keep things just the way they were before I did any planting. Choice is always preferable to change, because change is scary!

Well, at least in the minds of companies who advocate Choice when their particular Choice involves monopoly control. Microsoft wanted music player buyers to have a Choice of music stores and a Choice of hardware vendors, but interestingly, not really a Choice in media player operating system vendors.

Similarly, while Adobe wasn’t so keen on offering users a Choice of Cocoa support, or a Choice of both HTML5 and Flash output from its development tools, it is really interested in Apple offering users a choice between the HTML5 open web Apple is cultivating and the Flash weeds it wants to see choke out any potential for change on the web.

The fallacy of Flash: why Adobe’s ideological war with Apple is bankrupt

Nothing left to do but talk

And so, through a mix of incompetence, belligerence and emotionalist hypocrisy, Adobe has been pumping a non-stop stream of propaganda about how critically important Flash is on mobile devices, even though millions of people been using the highest ranked smartphone for three years now without suffering any ill (not even the rest of humanity on lessor smartphones have missed being able to render desktop Flash content, because they haven’t been able to either). There’s a reason for all that talk: Adobe is terrified.

Like Microsoft, Adobe has long been able to sign up every major player in the consumer electronics industry to pay for whatever garbage it has had the shameless balls to crap out. Three generations of Flash Lite, and now a variant of its desktop web plugin that demands the fastest smartphones on the planet just to run it. Once you get used to getting paid to do next to nothing, it’s a brutal shock when somebody stands up and refuses to play along with your ridiculous game.

Apple isn’t just a rebellious outsider. Not in mobiles, where it controls most of the world’s web traffic, and certainly almost all of the traffic of affluent customers. Flash has found its way to the hobbyist Android platform, and has graced the webOS even as it goes through its final death throes. It is promised to arrive for Windows Phone 7, the ace in the hole Microsoft plans to use to take back all the market share it lost to Android. But Flash isn’t ever going to be on the iPhone OS, and that not only makes a big black hole in Adobe’s strategy for maintaining in monopoly control over dynamic content on the web, but also questions why we were ever using this crap in the first place on the desktop.

Once society awakes to see how duped it’s been, the value of Adobe’s $3.1 billion 2005 deal to acquire Macromedia (largely for Flash) might look like less than a brilliant move.

  

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293. "people in this post are trying to make these points"
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then it's ok then I guess.

not really.

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295. "ahem... 'Proponents of Adobe Flash insist that...'"
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you don't think that the 'proponents of flash' have been using these talking points?

  

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297. "who is a "proponent of flash" find this person."
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I don't think most people like flash that much -- doesn't make apple's moves positive for end users or developers

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http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/04/14/chronicles-of-conflict-the-history-of-adobe-vs-apple/

Daniel Eran Dilger

If you didn’t know any better, you might think this whole Apple vs Adobe thing blew up out of nowhere because Steve Jobs woke up one morning with a stiff neck and decided to take it out on Adobe. Those of you who imagine there might be more to it than that that might like to reminisce with a little walk down tech history lane.

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The Genesis of Adobe

In the beginning, Xerox PARC created the graphical desktop. The personal computer was yet formless and empty, and darkness was upon the face of its software development. And then the money of Xerox moved to and fro upon the waters of innovation and PARC said, let there be icons and windows and Ethernet and SmallTalk object oriented development. And lo, there was a $15,000 workstation, and Xerox saw the Alto, and that it was good.

And then Steve Jobs saw the Alto, and he convinced Xerox to invest a million dollars in Apple. And Jobs said that Apple would commercialize Xerox’ technology and make the company rich on its investment. And thus Apple created Macintosh, which then attracted engineers from Xerox who joined Apple in order to work on products that might actually turn into something a person might actually see in the real world and not just in a PARC lab.

And then Apple released Macintosh to the people, and it wasn’t entirely clear what the new graphical computer for regular people could do. And then Steve Jobs saw PostScript, a language created by Xerox engineers who had left PARC to form Adobe Systems. And Jobs said, look! you must take PostScript and make it the language of laser printers, so that common people can create wonderful type and high resolution graphics, and it will be driven by the Macintosh.

And so Adobe licensed PostScript to Apple, and Apple shipped the LaserWriter as the first printer with a sophisticated language for describing typography and graphics, and thus verily the Macintosh and the LaserWriter brought forth desktop publishing, and the world observed and saw that it was good, and Macintosh enjoyed its first killer app. And the people rejoiced.

And then Steve Jobs left Apple to form NeXT, and he licensed Adobe’s PostScript as the language of the entire graphical desktop, so what the user saw on the screen was identical to what was printed out on paper, and it was Display PostScript, and it was good.

An Exodus from the Enslavement to Adobe

And money flowed into desktop publishing. And Adobe began to sell PostScript Type 1 fonts to publishers with Macintoshes, and it charged prohibitively high rates for Type 1 fonts and for its PostScript language.

And Apple’s countenance began to fall at Adobe’s greed, and so Apple visited Microsoft in the late 80s and proposed TrueType as an alternative format to Adobe’s expensive fonts, and Microsoft bought TrueImage and proposed to Apple that it license its PostScript-clone language as an alternative to PostScript.

And Adobe saw the writing on the wall and begged Apple not to leave and Apple agreed to keep licensing PostScript for its laser printers, but the Mac OS and Windows both began using Apple’s TrueType and fonts thus became affordable to mere mortals. And TrueType begat OpenType and never again did anyone pay huge sums for Adobe Type 1 fonts again.

Numbers of Adobe Applications

And Adobe had created Illustrator to draw on the Macintosh in 1987, and then purchased Photoshop to paint on photos on the Macintosh in 1990, and then created Premiere to edit movies on the Macintosh in 1991. And in 1994 Adobe merged with Aldus to acquire its 1986 PageMaker for desktop publishing on the Macintosh and its 1993 After Effects for motion graphics on the Macintosh. And in 1995 Adobe bought Frame to acquire its 1990 FrameMaker for building long documents on the Macintosh.

And Adobe began to notice that Windows was selling to large numbers of commodity PC makers, and it was tempted by the volume of its user base, and it sinned against Apple which had caused its birth and wealth, and it began having relations with Windows and lost interest in the Macintosh and told its user base to move to Windows because it was comely and good for use.

And Apple pleaded with Adobe to use its new technologies, saying, lo, we have created QuickDraw GX to perform complex typography and printing, and QuickDraw 3D for modeling, and PowerTalk for messaging. And Adobe ignored Apple and laughed at its plight, and Apple wept bitterly as its operating system roadmap collapsed. And Apple went looking for a new strategy to stave off death, and happened upon Steve Jobs and his NeXT Software, and Apple said, you must be our savior and Jobs reluctantly agreed to sell NeXT to Apple and see what the company would do with it.

And then Jobs grew excited with what might happen, and he usurped the leadership of Apple, and visited Adobe again with his combined portfolio of NeXT and Apple. And Adobe said verily to Apple, pay us 30 pieces of silver that we may port our applications to your operating system. And Adobe demanded huge royalties for Display PostScript.

And Jobs brought his operating system to Macromedia and then Microsoft, and they all scoffed at the idea of porting their apps to a new and unproven operating system, and thus Apple was forced to start over and develop a legacy API called Carbon to enable their old code to work on the new operating system. And Apple removed Display PostScript and created a new imaging model based on PDF, which Adobe had released as an open specification. And so Apple no longer needed to pay Adobe royalties for Display PostScript.

And Jobs returned to the developers after working on Mac OS X for five years and said, lo, we have created all you have asked for, and your old code will work natively if you only do some simple Carbonization work, and look! we have done this ourselves with the Finder. And in 2001, Macromedia brought forth a Carbonized Freehand and Microsoft brought forth a Carbonized Office v.X. But Adobe sat on its hands and refused to Carbonize most of its apps for several years.

And in 2002, Adobe released InDesign for Mac OS X before QuarkXPress, making Adobe the second to the last major Mac developer to support Apple’s new operating system. Adobe then ported AfterEffects and GoLive in 2002, but didn’t port Acrobat, Photoshop, or Illustrator for Mac OS X until the end of 2003 as part of Creative Suite. In 2003 Adobe also canceled Premiere and FrameMaker for the Mac, and focused all new development on Windows. And Adobe made great money from Mac users on Creative Suite, and CS2 in 2005.

And in 2005, Adobe bought Macromedia. And that same year Apple said, lo, we have ported Mac OS X to Intel, and we shall verily migrate the Macintosh to Intel in 2006. And Adobe joined Apple on stage and said this was good. And then for a year Adobe said it would not update Creative Suite 2 or its Macromedia Studio 8 suite to run on Intel Macs natively. And then Adobe did finally release Creative Suite 3 as a Universal Binary in the spring of 2007. And Apple was greatly annoyed.

Adobe Judges Mac Ruthlessly

And Adobe reviewed its resources for Macromedia’s Flash, and it assigned a development team of four full time employees to maintain development of the Windows version of Flash Player. For the Mac version, it had a half time assignment for one employee who was not a Mac expert. And so Flash Player for Mac continued to be unstable and serve as the number one cause of crashes system wide for Mac OS X, and would regularly consume 100% of the Mac’s CPU in a spin lock while idle. And the people blamed Apple, and Apple was greatly annoyed.

And sources within Apple reported, “anyone who’s ever written threaded code can tell you that this is a brain-dead beginner mistake. They finally fixed this a couple of months ago, after years of Apple engineers telling them to get their act together.”

And Flash for Mac was so terrible that Apple was forced to develop a mechanism to isolate the Safari plugin in Snow Leopard so that when it crashed it would not always kill Safari, as Flash was verily an awful piece of software. And Adobe did not care, because Flash Player was free, and it planned to make its money from Windows and to simply use Mac users to sell them slightly rewarmed, high priced versions of Creative Suite apps on a regular basis, just like Microsoft and its Office suite.

Lamentations over iPhone

And then in 2007 Adobe noticed that Apple had created the iPhone, and that it was comely in appearance. And Adobe longed to have Flash on the iPhone, for it wanted its HTML alternative to cover the entire Earth. And Apple said no, your desktop version of Flash is too unstable and too big, and your Flash Lite version is not good enough and will not run the Flash content users expect. And Adobe told the people that Flash for iPhone was right around the corner and that it was working with Apple, but this was not true at all. And the people waited.

And then iPhone users began to forget about Flash, and began to consume more than half of the Earth’s mobile web traffic, and Adobe began to panic because it lusted after mobile licensing fees for Flash. And Adobe grew embarrassed and fashioned fig leaves for itself after recognizing its nakedness, and Steve Jobs banished Adobe from the Garden of iPhone.

And Adobe wept bitterly and its days were frustrated and its nights were filled with terrors, and the work of its hands bore little fruit as Flash Player for mobile only worked on Android and webOS and some vaporware mobile product Microsoft planned to release sometime in the future. And Apple said no, the iPhone will not ever run Flash for we do not want to be enslaved to your platform, for we have worked with W3C partners to develop HTML5 as a way to deliver rich interactive content, and do not need Flash anymore.

And Adobe cursed Apple and Steve Jobs and made great noises and gnashed its teeth and ripped its garments apart and scraped its festering boils with shards of pottery. And Steve Jobs did not listen. And so Adobe said we shall built a tower to heaven, and our Flash Professional shall create an army of App Store titles based on Flash games, and Creative Suite 5 shall trump Steve Jobs and his refusal to license Flash Player. And Steve Jobs looked down upon the tower and he confused their languages with SDK section 3.3.1 and interest in Flash Professional CS5 was scattered.

A Revelation of Adobe

And Adobe saw four horsemen of the apocalypse ascending from the sea, the the rider of the white horse was Steve Jobs and he was bent on conquest. And a second horse, red, was given to iPhone to take away market share from smartphones, and to cause phone makers to wage war and to fall upon their own swords. And a third horse, black, was carrying the scales of the iPod touch, and it measured out music playback from iTunes and sold many apps and starved other mobile platforms of mobile application demand. And fourth horse, pale, had a rider named iPad, which pundits called Death. And it caused famine for tablets and plague for slates and killed with a sword. And none of the horsemen used Flash.

And Adobe frightfully woke from its vision of terrors, and realized that its days of monopolizing the web with Flash content were over. And Adobe began creating new apps for iPhone and for iPod touch and for iPad, and began porting its Creative Suite to Cocoa as Steve Jobs had asked it to do ten years ago. And Adobe continued to develop Lightroom and Adobe earned profits for its efforts.

And then Adobe began building HTML5 development tools, and it charged reasonable prices and built cross platform products and the people rejoiced and Adobe’s death was spared and it lived comfortably for many days next to Apple. And Steve Jobs said thank you and Adobe said no, thank you. And they all lived happily ever after.

  

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317. "This is hysterical."
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I realize most of the Adobe apps were in Carbon, but it never crossed my mind to think of them as "second class", considering the entrenchment of Macintoshes in the print and design industries.

  

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318. "weren'tTunes and Final Cut Pro Carbon until '08/'09?"
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>I realize most of the Adobe apps were in Carbon, but it never
>crossed my mind to think of them as "second class",
>considering the entrenchment of Macintoshes in the print and
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319. "they both still are."
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My thing was that, until CS5, Adobe basically made the Windows versions of their software, and then basically just cross-compiles for the Mac versions.

Most of CS5 is still Carbon. Photoshop, Premiere, and After Effects are Cocoa 64 now.

  

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302. "So yeah...allegedly Adobe's gonna sue (swipe)"
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Does this mean I need to start buying PCs to stay in business as a digital media producer?

http://www.itworld.com/legal/104320/adobe-vs-apple-going-get-uglier

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April 12, 2010, 05:36 PM —

Usually I write about security here, but Apple's iron-bound determination to keep Adobe Flash out of any iWhatever device is about to blow up in Apple's face. Sources close to Adobe tell me that Adobe will be suing Apple within a few weeks.

It was bad enough when Apple said, in effect, that Adobe Flash wasn't good enough to be allowed on the iPad. But the final straw was when Apple changed its iPhone SDK (software development kit) license so that developers may not submit programs to Apple that use cross-platform compilers.

Officially, Adobe's not talking about such actions, but there's no question that Adobe is ticked off big time at Apple. I mean how often in print does one company representative say about a former partner, "Go screw yourself Apple," as Lee Brimelow, an Adobe platform evangelist, did on his personal Web site, The Flash Blog. While Adobe had him retract some of his words, and the blog now has a big disclaimer, "" we can be sure that within Adobe's offices far stronger words were used to describe Apple's attitude towards Flash.

For now, Adobe spokesperson Wiebke Lips maintains that "We are aware of the new SDK language and are looking into it. We continue to develop our Packager for iPhone OS technology, which we plan to debut in Flash CS5." Flash CS5, which is part of Adobe Creative Suite 5, arrived on April 12th, but, at this point, it can't be used to create i-device applications.

Indeed, the net effect of Apple's licensing change, according to John Gruber of Daring Fireball, is to make it impossible to use cross-compilers, such as the Flash-to-iPhone compiler in Adobe's upcoming Flash Professional CS5 release. This also bans apps compiled using MonoTouch -- a tool that compiles C# and .NET apps to the iPhone." In other words, Adobe, Microsoft, not only can you not have Adobe Flash or Microsoft Silverlight running natively on an iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad, you can also forget about creating an iWhatever program that can get around that requirement.

Adobe, the king of Internet video with 95% Web browser market penetration, is not one bit happy about being locked out of Apple's lucrative mobile device market. Novell's MonoTouch group is "reaching out to Apple for clarification on their intention, and believe there is plenty of room for course-correction prior to the final release of the 4.0 SDK." Adobe, which doesn't want to let go of its hold on Internet-based video, isn't anything like as optimistic.

So, unless things change drastically between Apple and Adobe in the next few weeks, from what I'm hearing you can expect to see Adobe taking Apple to court over the issue. It's not going to be pretty.

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306. ""this gon be gooooooooooooood" (c) old lady from Princess & The Frog"
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307. "Mama Odie."
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308. "this should read"
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>Adobe, the king of Internet video **on the desktop** with 95%
>**desktop** Web browser market penetration,

  

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309. "doesn't matter. Every major smartphone company"
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except for the Kingdom of Steve is in line to introduce Flash 10.1 on their mobile devices.

This is one time, I think, it's not paying for Apple to "think different". If they piss Adobe off enough, where does that leave Adobe's desktop products, or are they really going to be able to separate their mobile issues from their desktop issues?

  

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310. "iphone still dominates mobile web traffic"
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if you want people with mobile devices to see your content you can use flash, but you need to have a backup strategy. flash 10 is way late to the game. if you were a dev designing a new website, would you deliberately shut out all iphone traffic?

  

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312. "that traffic includes iPod touch too."
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315. "are they fuck."
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rather unlikely

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320. "Having done a side by side comparison ...."
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as an owner of a iPhone, Blackberry and Pre'.

Gotta say iPhone wins. Yeah it could use multitasking but, what the fuck for its a phone not a Macbook.

iPhone is what I use the most but I gotta say that if it integrated some of the features from BB or Pre, I would use it exclusively.

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321. "thanks for telling us why"
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like do some pros and cons and shyt.
and from a purely OS standpoint could you compare the 3.

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322. ""
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http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/04/with-new-developer-agreement-apple-unlevels-the-iad-playing-field/


Steve Jobs unveils the iAd platform last week. AP photo

Steve Jobs unveils the iAd platform last week. Unlike competing ad networks, it will be able to gather usage analytics from iPads, iPhones and iPod Touches. AP photo

Apple told us last week that it would not prevent third-party ad networks from embedding ads in applications for the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch, even though those networks would compete with its own iAd platform.

“Yes, we still allow developers or other advertising companies to serve ads within their apps,” Apple spokeswoman Trudy Muller told Wired.com.

However, section 3.3.9 of Apple’s new developers’ agreement appears to hobble non-Apple advertising networks, even though the company will allow them onto its devices.

“The use of third-party software in Your Application to collect and send Device Data to a third party for processing or analysis is expressly prohibited,” reads the line in question, as noted by All Things Digital.

The change is similar to, and potentially as far-reaching as, the modification to terms that requires iPhone apps to be written only in Apple-approved programming languages and not on third-party platforms such as Adobe Flash, even if they are subsequently converted into iPhone OS code.

The software development rule is an effective ban. The analytics rule is not a ban on third-party ad networks — but by creating a competitive advantage for Apple’s iAd offering, it could amount to the same thing.

An ad network such as AdMob (a Google acquisition target) would clearly fall under the third-party category — the first two being Apple and the app developer — so this clause appears to bar competing ad networks from collecting data about how users interact with in-app ads on the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch, or targeting them with specific ads.

Under the rule, a third-party ad network could embed an ad within an iPhone OS app, as Muller said — but only if the advertiser didn’t care about who saw the ad, how long they may have looked at it, whether they interacted with it, or any of the other detailed metrics so prized by interactive marketers.

In other words, they will lose just about every advantage they currently possess over a paper flyer pasted to the side of a building. The only way app developers will be able to advertise on Apple’s iPhone OS devices using more valuable ads that collect usage data will likely be to join iAd and cede 40 percent of ad revenue to Apple.

Section 3.3.9 also frightens app developers who don’t want to embed ads. One app developer, who also asked to remain anonymous, fears what this clause could do to developers who simply want to improve their apps.

“That rule change is potentially scary until it is clear what Apple is prohibiting,” said this developer of several prominent apps, who asked to remain anonymous to avoid drawing scrutiny from Apple, because his or her apps collect usage data. “Being able to … test some things in your apps get an idea of how users are using the apps can be very, very useful for making the apps better and learning about what users really want and enjoy.”

According to what another anonymous developer told Paul Boutin, formerly of Wired.com and now of VentureBeat, Apple will block the collection of that sort of data. The company told a developer whose app it was rejecting: “It is not appropriate for applications to gather user analytics. Specifically, you may not collect anonymous play data from a user’s game.”

Barring app developers from collecting usage information will hurt clearly app developers by limiting their ability to improve their apps. As for competing ad networks, they appear to be hobbled by Apple’s new policy, reducing choice for developers who want to include ads on iPhone OS devices.

It would be very un-Apple-like for the company to back down and alter this agreement. But if it really bars ad networks that compete with Apple iAd from gathering analytics, as appears to be the case, Apple iAd network will be able to offer far more valuable ads than any competing network will be able to — a powerful selling point.

Read More http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/04/with-new-developer-agreement-apple-unlevels-the-iad-playing-field/#ixzz0l9S1hnWl

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323. "one of the commenters read it as prohibitng the acquestion"
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of device data i.e. personal security info about the type of device, location, etc., rather than prohibiting the collection of anonymous usage/access data.

  

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325. "just realized Apple's long-term game plan here"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8639240.stm

they're going to turn Android into a Flash (and Java) ghetto

i mean the argument that a flood of crapware can crash an industry (see: video-games, early 80s) doesn't seem so convincing if all platforms experience the same crapware. but if its only Android that gets flooded while the App Store maintains good quality control...

pretty devious

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326. "..."
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good apps can be written in Java, Flash, and Apple's motivation
has already been cited in this thread:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=11&topic_id=227511&mesg_id=227511&page=#228296


(quote)

Jobs responded:

We think John Gruber’s post is very insightful and not negative:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/why_apple_changed_section_331

Steve

In the post that Jobs refers to, Daring Fireball’s John Gruber
explains the logic that was behind Apple’s move (and given Jobs’
endorsement of the article, it looks like he was spot on). The gist
of the article is that Apple doesn’t want a ‘meta-platform’ to exist
between the iPhone and developers, as this would facilitate
simultaneous development for competitors’ platforms and give Apple
less control over the iPhone ecosystem.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/10/steve-jobs-responds-to-iphone-sdk-complaints-intermediate-layers-produce-sub-standard-apps/

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329. "writing good apps in Flash and Java IS the problem"
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i suppose i should have made my point clearer. basically, iPhone apps are amazing because they're written with the native sdk which Apple have finely tuned to work with their device. most of those apps COULD have been originally written in Flash (or Java), but they wouldn't have been as good (even if they were allowed).

the obvious part of Apple's strategy that you cite is that they don't want to embrace a defacto app standard that levels the playing field. the more subtle part (the one i'm trying to highlight) is that they are effective encouraging Flash development for the Android platform (esp. if more smartphone OS's are supported by Adobe, which is almost inevitable)

on second thoughts though it's probably not that big a deal but... it's kinda funny

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327. "you can't stop crapware really."
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who's to say one app is more useful than another, it all depends on the user.

Do we need more fart apps? lol

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330. "it's not so much the crap, its more the flood/noise"
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Google will struggle to improve software standards on its platform by giving developers better tools, if a lot of them are using Flash. Apple meanwhile can spoonfeed their developers the likes of iPhone OS 4 with all its API goodies

what i'm saying is, not only did Apple think 'we don't want this CS5 iPhone tool,' i BET you they were counting on Android getting all the attention instead (which was unannounced at the time)

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331. "unannounced?"
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>what i'm saying is, not only did Apple think 'we don't want
>this CS5 iPhone tool,' i BET you they were counting on Android
>getting all the attention instead (which was unannounced at
>the time)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/adobe-brings-air-to-android-promises-flash-10-1-in-the-first-ha/

  

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333. "i'm talking about the cross-compiler"
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which essentially writes out your program in Objective-C. From what the BBC article seemed to be saying Adobe are now planning a cross-compiler to Android instead. (the point stands regardless)

As far as i understand AIR is a runtime environment which must be already on the machine. On Android that would be like a virtual machine within a virtual machine (program running on AIR running on JVM). The CS5 to iPhone thing was unrelated to AIR.

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335. "http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/01/building_ipad_apps.html"
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http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/01/building_ipad_apps.html

January 26, 2010 2:18 PM


"We announced the Packager for iPhone at MAX 2009 which will allow
Flash developers to create native iPhone applications and will be
available in the upcoming version of Flash Pro CS5. This technology
enables developers to create applications for the iPhone, iPod touch,
and iPad (though applications will not initially take direct advantage
of iPad’s new screen resolution). It is our intent to make it possible
for Flash developers to build applications that can take advantage of
the increased screen size and resolution of the iPad."

  

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337. "Yes but when did they announce the Android 'Packager'? n/m"
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339. "have they ever announced it?"
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from what I understand, they don't need an "Android Packager."
all they need is for Android devices to support AIR

http://theflashblog.com/?p=1926

(quote)

This morning Andy Rubin, Google VP of Engineering, made a guest post on
the Adobe Featured blog that clearly states the commitment Google has
to bringing Flash and AIR to Android-based devices. Here is a quote
from the post:

“Google believes that developers should have their choice of tools
and technologies to create applications. By supporting Adobe AIR on
Android we hope that millions of creative designers and developers will
be able to express themselves more freely when they create applications
for Android devices. More broadly, AIR will foster rapid and continuous
innovation across the mobile ecosystem.”

I can’t tell you how refreshing it is to hear something like this.
Google wants creative professionals to be able to target the Android
platform and at the same time they are not trying to prevent those same
professionals from targeting other platforms.

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340. "AIR is not as good as what an Android packager would be"
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the BBC report was implying an Android packager was on its way though it's not exactly clear.

It's all much of a muchness though: Apple would be delighted if AIR went onto all Android phones and the shovelware ensued at the expense of 'native' Java/JVM apps

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328. "you're not just dumb, you're delirious"
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http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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332. "team Apple needs to change its tune as other app stores catch up in size"
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last year this time the argument was "But look how many apps we have!!!!"

now they've been reduced to arguments such as "But our apps are just better!!!"

they're mad. real mad.

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336. "I'm salty about Android apps not working on all* Android phones tho"
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*excluding the less powerful ones, of course


is something being done to address that? and what's with the regional hubs?

  

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341. "iTunes is the same way. So is Amazon."
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most markets are region locked these days.

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